September 10, 2024 • 49 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon break down the wild situation in Miami with Tyreek Hill and local police on Sunday morning. Jason tries to remain optimistic for the Jets after they open the season with a loss to the 49ers. The guys break down why the Browns will need to put the money aside and bench Deshaun Watson. Plus, is a hefty fine coming for the 49ers after Jordan Mason spills the beans?!
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Welcome in side hour two The Jason Smith Show
with my bass friend Mike Harmon hobo live from the
Ti rag dot com studios. A couple of minutes ago,
in the fourth quarter, Niners lead the Jets thirty two
to thirteen. Aaron Rodgers out of the game to Rod
Taylor is in, Braylan Allen is in, Byron Allen is
in skip, Stevenson is in.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
A billionaire, and byronur Percell is in.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Wow. Is that everybody from that? Yeah? Nicely done. So
we'll have more on this game coming up in a
few minutes. Niners are going to get the w week one,
the Jets are gonna get the Big L And yes,
I know breathe, breathe counted only one game, Mets one,
brave lots.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You got Tennessee. Next, you saw what they did against
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Then you got New England.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
They may run over you as well. I mean Stevenson
might might be able to do some of that, that's true.
But and then he got Denver and you got potentially
three ws in a row.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You might be eating W's.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
In no time.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, and Mets one Braves lost. Okay, No, that's it.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And that's the mantra for the rest of the night.
Can't go to sleep. Clown's gonna eat me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Met's one brain. Now. At the same time this game began,
huge headline comes out. The body cam footage of Tyree
Kill's arrest was made public yesterday a block outside the stadium.
You've seen the video. Now, Tyree Kill has pulled over
for UH speeding and he was seen you see the
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video of him cuffed on the ground, video of him
on the sidewalk and UH police officer comes over and
kind of kicks him to the ground and we're wondering
what the hell happened. He was on the phone with
Drew Rosenhuis's agent. The entire time, and Drew Rosenhuis is
giving a statements yesterday saying he's on it, he's on route,
he's on route to the game, he's going to play.
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And Tyreek Hill had a big game, even made fun
of his arrest after a big touchdown. He had his
hands behind his back, and we're all wondering, Okay, let's
see what the bodycam footage shows, because this certainly was
a really bad optic where here's Tyreek Hill on the
ground in handcuffs and then hit by a police officer
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for likely and you know what I thought at the time,
I'm going the officer asked him to sit down, he
wouldn't do it, or they asked them movie he wouldn't
do it, and that's why he came over and kicked him,
which is an awful optic. And now the bodycam footage
comes out and you see that there was a big
escalation and it was an unnecessary escalation of the entire process.
Now there's a couple of things from this, because it's
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really watching it. Even though I knew how it was
going to end and he was okay, I was still
on edge the entire time for a couple of things,
and and and the first thing I want to say
is this, and this is true everywhere for everybody, is
that police officers are in a life or death situation.
Every time they walk into a domestic situation, when they
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pull somebody over, when they go into a building, it
is a life or death situation.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I've known a lot of people who in police officers
my entire life, and we have to understand that that's
where their minds are there because if not, things could
get really bad. So they are always in a life
or death situation.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I grew up waiting to hear whether my door the
back door opened. Yeah, like thirty plus years in Chicago.
So it's a lot of Knights of us laying there waiting,
depending on what shift it was that he got.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's it's a very difficult. It's that's how police officers
go out on every shift. Everything they do, they are
keyed up for because it is a life or death situation,
and not just their lives, but their partners lives or
other people who are who are dealing with this scene.
It could seem very innocuous and then it can go
sideways really fast. So to that extent, when the police
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officer asks you to do something, do it. I've been
in that situation where please roll your window down, sir. Okay,
I don't like the way you're talking to me, but
I'll roll my window down because I know things could go.
Roll my window down or get out of the whatever
it is like that's happened happened me on Staten Island
a couple of times growing up. I'm like, oh my god,
these cops are just in our faces because my friend
was driving really fast or something was going on. So
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when the police will please tell you to do something,
you kind of have to do it. You could see
they were upset. The Tyreek Hill didn't roll his window down,
roll it down a tiny bit, and it's like, dude,
when the police tell you to do something, do it right.
You don't want to escalate the situation. Now that being said, right,
understanding those things, there is no profession that commands and
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demands verbal respect more than police officers. No, in no
other professional atmosphere. Anybody who deal on a daily basis,
do you get spoken to the way police officers speak
to people who done something wrong or they're involved in
a situation that could be very volatile and they they
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are keyed up right away, right, Like you saw the
one officer get to sir, you roll your win it
when I tell you don't do blank blank blake. Okay,
Now the situation has been really escalating.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Right because he rolls the window back up, right, he
takes it down, then he takes it back up, and
there's whatever that time that elapses is, yeah, doesn't necessity.
Once the car door opens, we get to a point
of all right, what's going on in his mind? But
we have the body cam to show it. And the
immediate visceral reaction is, well, it didn't need to do this.
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But you understand where the emotions where the mentality of
it is at least trying to maintain your authority of
the situation, right, because you need to be in control, right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And does that go overboard times? Yeah, I think you
saw this was an escalation of that. There is the
respecting of a police officer and then there is a
police officer not escalating a situation. Because that's clearly what
happened is that in this in this part tyreek kill.
All right, you have the situation under control, right, it's
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one person in a car. Once you have determined the
situation is contained. Here's one person in a car that's
not somebody with a weapon that's doing something. Okay, the
law is on your side. And when he is screaming
at Tyreek Hill to get out of the car, well
the window down, all of a sudden, does that mean
the situation gets gets gets de escalated. No, everybody's keyed up.
The other officers are all keyed up.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Everybody's yet, and they pull him out of the car
and they're yelling at him and yelling at him and
yelling at him. It's okay, do you really need to
do that to someone that has done something wrong that
you are in control of the situation of do you
need to verbally escalate when you have him on the
ground in cuffs and you're trying to figure out answers? Right,
that's to me when I look at that, and I go,
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that's where a situation could have been taken care of
a little bit better. Because let's just say, Tyreek take
the situation of of of Tyreek kill, sir, roll your
window down.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
He's not doing it. Is it a better situation to say, Okay,
do you want to add non compliant to the police
officer to this arrest. Roll your window down? Is that better?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Or is it better to bang on the window and
go you open this bleeping window right now?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Or blankety blank? But how's that going to make the
situation better? Again? Once you know a situation is contained,
and that situation, you had four police officers there, they
knew who it was. You have to know, hey, here's
a police here's a here's a license plate register to
Tyreek Hill. They know it's Tyreek Hill. In the car,
you get out, and and here's how the situation just
got really amped up, and and and just because of
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that that verbal part of it. The way I'm saying
is that that would really go a long way into
keeping situations below a boiling point because you don't need
to confuse the leverage you have in need in the
situation with needing to yell and scream, because what does
that do? That just causes chaos? Right, the yelling and
the screaming does is not conducive to Let's let's keep
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the situation under control. Understand what it is. He's gonna
get a ticket for reckless driving. If he doesn't comply,
we're gonna give non compliance because he didn't roll the
window down, didn't get out of the cart. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We can do all those things without yelling and screaming
and amping it up, because if that happens, maybe does
the officer go over and kick him to the ground.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Maybe does that happen? I mean, I get the tyree
kill is saying, Hey, I had knee surgery. I had
knee surgery. All right, Well, sir, you have five seconds
to find your way to the ground. Okay, you have
five seconds to find your way to the ground to sit.
That's what that's what you need to do now. Or
and instead of the guy, the one guy with his
hand on the bike going over and then kicking him
right like, I mean that that's a tell me how
that's not a better way to handle a situation. Again,
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that is already in control. Oh again, you have him
in handcuffs, he is on there. What else is he
doing if he's yelling at you? Okay?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But if sometimes when when people yell at you, when
things like that are happening, you gotta let that go.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You're still the police officer in control of the situation. People, yep,
let people yet you can, you can even give them
more of it. You want to keep yelling you want
another you want another charge put against you, Like, that's
how it could go. Instead, it's just if you don't
completely respect what I said, you come back at me,
that just escalates the situation. And I'm not saying it's hey,
it's always one person's fault, it's always another person's fault.
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But it's that's that's where I go, Wow, there is
no way this thing was was under a boiling point
where it could have been where a lot of it
could have been avoided. Right if they pull Tyreek Kill over,
Tyree Kill rolls his window down, they want to have
him out of the car, they don't need to throw
him on the ground. They could still cuff him, sit
on the on the there's a way for it to
do it where Okay, it doesn't seem like something is
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out of control, but that yeah, But but the but
the verbal part of this, of this equation is what
really escalated all of it.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, but you know in terms of the once he's
out out of the car and gets it gets physical
from that point and then obviously the the extra after that.
It got escalated when the window rolls back up because
you have no idea, like just because he's Tyreek Hill,
insert any other citizen there you have. You have no
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idea what's what's coming back? Right, because he rolled it down,
they have an exchange, he rolls it back up. And
again I'm not excusing any of the extra like, but
just that initial set and I get it, and I
and I know what. We talk about it, and we
have for many a year in terms of the frequency
with which people get pulled over when you're talking about
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African Americans and incidences of this, and and certainly we've
watched it from the moment it happened through right now.
You can load up any social media, any news site,
plenty of thought pieces and commentary on this. It's an unfortunate,
horrible situation. The Dolphins really east a statement a little
bit early because you had multiple other players that we
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were there, right, Campbell and others who were on the scene.
I mean, I knew how it ended, and I was
still nervous, Like I knew how it ended its Campbell,
but it's like you know the end, you know the
end game, but you want to see this is one
of those instances like all right, let me let me
see the footage from the front, right, all right, I
saw the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
How did the play develop?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Kind of thing to use the analogy back into football,
and here, you know, it ramps up and you see
how agitated the officer gets immediately when that window went
back up. Unnecessarily right, and look for Tyreek Hill. All
of that was extra and unnecessary. And they'll figure it out,
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administrative leaves, firings, whatever comes out of it in the investigation.
I'm surprised the full body cam came out as quickly
as it did. I was waiting for the full body
cam to not be available. Yeah, because immediately from the
motorcycle rolling up right that, Like, I wasn't anticipating that
we would see either the full.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Video or any video for that matter.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
That because we had all of those the people that
were on site who became citizen journalists and breaking it
down and posting it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
But just another horrible incident.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And you know, for all of us, whatever our professions,
always the question of de escalation and best best paths.
And you know, to the point you made originally, like
you have no idea what you're walking into or what
the situation. Doesn't matter how fancy a car it is,
doesn't matter the bank account or the celebrity there inside.
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You know, if you've got to go into an active
situation like that, it's gonna get amped up. And if
you feel disrespected, guess what, it's going to amp up again.
And then we see it from once that door opens,
where it gets it definitely is over an extra and
I don't think there's any disputing that if you're a
rational human being.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, look, if it look the de escalation verbally would
help so many situations, right, it would help them. But
like I said, but that's you know, hey, we are
gonna be we're in charge of this physically, and we're
in charge of this. What we say, you shut up
and you listen and you say yes sir. Like that's
something where hey, I don't know how. I don't know
how that goes anymore, right, And and that's a tough one.
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And evolving with the situation is something that Wow, at
some point after it's all after it's all set up,
you realize, Okay, we're the police officers. What do we
have here. We've pulled over Tyreek Hill who was speeding
in some way and didn't do what we wanted him
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to do. We got him out of the car, We
cuffed him sitting here on the sidewalk. We have to
know that this situation now is different because there's people
walking by, cell phones are out, his teammates are stopping by.
His is Tyreek Kill? You know at some point this
is Tyree Kill. It's a wide receiver for the Dolphins.
And whatever happened before, you know that this is not
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gonna come out well for you when this goes out
on social media, because people are gonna see it and
before they get any explanation, everybody's gonna have rush to
your judgment of void. Look at this. Here's Tyreek Hill
on the ground and here's Tyreek Hill getting kicked by
a police officer before anything comes out. Those are the
first two images. And you know, now, whatever you want
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to say, what happened where Tyreek Hill didn't listen to
you where you caught it, You're coming from a huge
area disadvantage because you didn't evolve with the situation of
this is not just some dude you pulled over and
he was mouthy and he yeah, okay, this is Tyreek Hill.
Let's understand where we're at. Understand, we're a block from
the Dolphins stadium. People are walking to the game, his
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teammates have pulled over. Let's be cool and let's do
the right thing and instead look at how we're where.
This came from the first two images that everybody saw
top to bottom, him on the ground and then him
getting kicked to the ground by the people driving by
with their phones. So I mean, I I just think
there there needs to be I don't know that it's
it's it's a it's a training because everybody jumps to
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all these be more training, but just be in situations.
It's it's evolved with it and and and get that
maybe certain certain things that you need to do in
the very beginning of a situation you can pull back from.
Once it is, once it is contained. On once is
I don't have to worry. There's nobody else in the car,
there's nobody with a weapon, there's no okay, this is contained. Now.
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Let let's let let's let's do things. Let's deescalate and
let's do things little. Let's take the temperature down and
we finish this the way the way we should. And
if if that happened more, then we'd have way less
situations like this. But that needs to be more of
a thinking way of Okay, when we show up, we
not to. We have to do things a little bit
differently on on both sides, right, because I said, look,
cops need to do it differently de escalation. When the
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cops ask you to do something, kind of have to
do it. You know, I know you don't want to,
you don't like that, But how is that going to
make it better if you are not going to listen
to police officers like those things need to happen and
that and that's the worst part is that this was
something that could have been completely avoided. It could have
been completely avoided and and and that's the shame and
this is that now this has come up as a
really big thing when it could have been, Hey, he
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got pulled over for speeding, but he's playing in the game. Okay,
that's your story. But instead it's this and now it's
full of fire and brimstone and all through it in
both sides. And it was completely avoidable, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
And certainly the fact that we've got a full video
of it that's now been made available it answers a
lot of those questions, right, because again, we we saw
the endgame of it through the initial passers by video.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
We heard the.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Accounts in the post game from Tyreek Hill and Kalais Campbell,
uh and and others, Drew rosenhaus and and everybody making
their statements.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But then you get at the video because.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You're trying to find out what went from point A
to B to get us from B two C. And
now we have that, it's like, well, what did it justify?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Did it not?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Is it in Congress? And the answer is yes, right
like without it without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So again, all.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
These are horrible learning pieces for everybody in terms of civility,
uh de escalation processes, and the reminder that no matter
how many simulations you go through with anything, right, whatever
training you do for your jobs out there, if you're
a first responder and you're working you know, as a
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as a police officer or in security whatever, you know,
we're we're with you. You know, do your jobs and
and you know, just recognize the power that you have
and the responsibility that you take on with those roles,
and for everybody else to recognize that, you know, you
can do your part to de escalate as well. But
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again it's you know, it's an unfortunate learning piece that'll
come out of this of you know, problems that still
are pervasive within these types of situations. And no matter
how many simulations you do in anything, any line of work,
when the real thing comes, if it hasn't in a while,
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it can get out of sorts really fast.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
We do all these trainings and whatever else for your job,
maybe you do. You all do them as well. If
all of a sudden there's a fire in the building,
is everybody going back to steps one through fifteen that
they learned very quick probably.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Not very very quietly walk to the thing. No, I'm
throwing a chair through.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
A window, right, I'm grabbing what I need to and
I'm getting out right, it's all of those kind of things.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
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get blown out. It's a final. The score looks a
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lot closer than it was San Francisco thirty two nineteen.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I still covering.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah's minus four and a half at or if you
bet at your day, I mean, look, you probably got
suckered in because McCaffrey was only worth a point or
a point and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah. Yeah, And look, and we're going to get to
a big controversy coming up in about twenty minutes whether
or not the Christian McCaffrey situation was on the up
and up. And boy do we have the SoundBite from
Jordan Mason to take us there. So before we get
to the Niners, let's let let's talk about the Jets. Okay, Uh,
where am I now? After seeing this at the point
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ten minutes before or the game, I couldn't keep a
thought in my head. I'm yelling, let's effing go, let's go.
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I think Tom Brady trademark that, so I think you
owe him seven dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And after this is gone, and we watched the Niners
win in a dominant fashion. They ran the ball all
over the Jets. They threw the ball when they wanted to.
I don't think brock Perdy had to make any throws
in tough, tight windows. Receivers were open. The Jets defense stiffened,
and they forced the Niners to kick six field goals
or this would have been really out of hand. But
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I'm okay, And not just because the Mets won and
the Braves lost. I mean I am okay because of that.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, I mean that does help. You're You're to at
least bring you.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Back to even Yeah, Mets one and you'll get some chocolates.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Chocolate. But there's there's three things that I sit back
and go, Okay, you know what, It's fine. It's not
doom and gloom. It's not the end of the world.
Did I want to win tonight, Yes, But here's three things.
And this this is universal about the Jets Week one
playing out San Francisco. Who's supposed to win this game?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Forty nine ers, right, forty nine They've been in the
Super Bowl last year, they're loaded, most talented roster in
the game. Yes, did not have Christian McCaffrey for the
beginning of the game, but this is still a game.
The forty nine ers were supposed to go. But the
overarching media story was that it was too noisy this offseason.
For it was too noisy, so they were not going
to be prepared and together.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I mean Peyton Manning lost his mind.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
When you dropped that would be touchdown on the Manning cast,
which is making the rounds virally saying.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Hey, if you were in camp, you had some time together,
you would have caught that pass. He looked like he
wanted to throw a football through a through a window.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Now that's a no. I'll throw a football over that mountain.
Now that's a that's a that's a different conversation, which
we'll have that.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
But it was supposed to be too noisy. Great opportunity
for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is still a team that is coming off a
Super Bowl again third year in a row, with probably
the most talented roster in the NFL. They're supposed to
win this game at home Monday Night Football, Week one.
So in the end, the Jets winning this game. If
the Jets had opened up on the road Monday Night
Football against the Titans and looked like this, they have
the Titans next week, I'd be concerned. They look like
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this against the Panthers Week one, I'd be really concerned.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, no, you want to talk about optimism and excitement. Wow, gone,
I mean that's Leo DiCaprio flamethrower to h.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Good God, but what Week one? They're supposed to lose
to the nut not are supposed to win this game
and they did. This is an eye opening game for
a defense that talked all kinds of trash in the offseason.
The Jets always want to win the offseason. All we've
heard from the Jets how great this defense is, and
it is a great deal.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You know what would have been better if that guy
Reddick was around. I don't mean Vin Diesel and maybe
he and DJ the Chronicles of Reddick Willie Shaw. I mean,
maybe the Jets now find some extra cash to give
to side. I was going to say, there's gonna be
a little restructuring of dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
He looking at like was getting to the quarterback. The
problem tonight, No, wasn't the problem.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It was toughness in the defensive interior and getting run over.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
This is not how the Jets play defensively. This is
not a team that gets running lanes opened up on
them regularly like they did tonight with Jordan Mason running
the football. Anybody Jordan Mace had a big night. Anybody
would have run through those holes. He had his choice
of lent. Do I want to go lane one? It's
like me at the supermarket. Well, lane one looks like
it's open. I could get up lane two as someone
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behind Lane three is open. Lane four is open.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So single guy four items no chick check, I mean
get there.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
They were just blowing the Jets off the line. Michael
Clemens had a horrendous game. They aired. They aimed so
much of their running game at him. When they threw
the football, guys were open right. There was no tight coverage,
there was no rock Purdy had to get the ball
in on this. There were players who were just how
is no one covering George Kittle right? How is deebo
that way? How is Jennings opened by five yards right?
(24:56):
And there was weird things happening. Sauce Gardner was out
for a big series for some reason. We don't know why.
This is an attention grabbing moment for the Jets, where, okay,
you know what, maybe we're believing our hype a little
bit too much and look at what happened to us
against a good team.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Well, sometimes you need to get punched in the mouth
right right, and this is there's no better team to
do it than one that loves to run right. We've
got very few of those in the National Football League.
Looks like all our presupposition and theory testing of the
harball led Chargers, Yeah, that's what they're gonna do. They're
gonna try to punch in the mouth and run the ball. Okay, fine,
(25:34):
Baltimore to a degree, still gonna do that in theory
more with Derry Henry, but there's very few teams in
this case. You knew what the forty nine Ers were
going to bring at you, and it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
No, this gets your attention. Okay, we were not ready
for this game. We're not ready for what they had.
We did a little too much talking.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
So I firmly believe this is this is one of
those Hey, you're gonna see a different Jets defense next
week in the week after. But you're also playing a
team that was the co favorite for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So you're playing the forty nine ers at home on
a Monday night. They're supposed to win the game.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I mean it was again only a field goal spread
only four and a half all off season, so you
know the expectation was that the Jets were going to
come in and give a better effort, Like that's the
thing I'd be concerned about, just the fact that you
got run off the board. But again, you're playing a
great team. Now it's Tennessee, followed by New England one
(26:25):
and O New England, and then you've got Denver in theory.
In theory, you've got a three game winning streak. It
should but again Robert Sala and then you'll face Sam
Darnold in week five.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And the third part of it is this not that
he made it past Snap five, the Snap four disaster,
which was an Allen Lazard drop, But Aaron Rodgers as
the game went on, you could tell looked a little
more comfortable. I saw his body language at the end
of the game. After the game was over. It was
laughing at midfield. I'm sure for him, all the tough
talking that he did. Making it through this game still
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showing he could throw the football because he led a
couple of nice drives, didn't look like Aaron Rodgers was
suddenly as washed did make some big throws. I was
able to get the ball to Garrett Wilson a few times,
so this was a big positive for him in that. Okay,
I feel good going forward that, Hey, he got the
first game under him. He walked off the field. It
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was the Niners who have a hillacious defense. He only
got sacked once. Right, He still showed some escapability getting
outside the pocket, being able to throw the ball away.
You know, a lot of that is in your mind
till you play your first game. And so from that perspective,
and the Jets did move the ball a little bit,
I feel good about that. Now. The bad stuff is,
I don't feel they were ready for week one, but
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this happened. And going forward, are all of these things
either correctable or something that you were building off of.
And the check mark goes to all of those right
away from week one against the Niners. Okay, great, right
now you expect the Niners to be better than the Jets.
Got it well? The defense played better. Now that yes,
check got it is Aaron Rodgers better place for him
mentally going through a game playing with his teammates. Remember
(28:02):
sitting out all preseason, not playing any game situations. Yes,
he played in the joint practices, but it's a different
thing to tee it up for real, especially when you
know he had everything going into last year and then
four snaps and he's done. So there's that mental hurdle
for him as well. And I think you're gonna see
him starting to play more Aaron Rodgers type football than
we expected. So I feel good all the way through. Okay,
(28:26):
they lost. I was a mad while it's going on,
a mad scene. Lane's getting blown wide open in the Jets,
and well, what are they doing? What is happening? I'll
break what are you calling defensively? But then the game
ends and I realized, Okay, in the end it would
have been a bonus to win. This is stuff that's correctable.
Aaron Rodgers looks good. I didn't feel like boy no
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arm strength or he's shying away from both. No, he
made some good throws. He looked like he could throw
the ball deep. The touchdown passed the lizard where he
could tell I got a free play with a jumping
off sides. I know I might get hit, but I'm
delivering that football and we scored a touchdown. I feel
fine about the Jets going forward now if they if
they don't get out of this next couple of weeks
three and one, that's a different store.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, for for this week. You take what it is
and we will look at the slate all the waycross
the border and highs and lows and and everybody losing
their minds. I did myself a favor and I dialed
up the hometown radio station for a bit and sampled
some Bears talk coming out of the wind over Tennessee.
And you would have thought they lost forty eight to nothing. Uh,
(29:31):
listening to callers and to some of their hosts all night,
it's like you got a w right, you can you
can only get better now. Roma Dunday being out for
indefinitely with a knee injury after hopping off the field
not something you want to see in your in your breakdown.
But the reality is everybody's got vast room for improvement.
Like this is not the high water bark for anybody
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in the nash And if it is, you got problems
right Like you know, in terms of health, you know,
we're gonna have to watch because he had a lot
of big injuries here how quickly guys can get back
on the field. And if they do, you know, we're
talking percentages and trying to force yourself back into action
because you consider yourself a contender, et cetera. But for
the Jets in a Week one, I'd be moderately concerned
(30:15):
that you got run over, But Trent Williams was there
playing a lot of snaps and you expected them to
be able to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
If this happened in Week fifteen, I would be concerned that, Wow,
we're not playing our best football against really good team.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
As you're coming down the stretch, this is where it's
supposed to be. But that's it.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's like the learning curve and getting acclimated once again
to the field. I think Alan Lazar is a guy
Fantasy owners are gonna have to decide how much of
their fab budget they're putting there because he's your number two.
Whether you'd like it or not. Mike Williams could be
on the field, he may be running sprints. Aaron Rodgers
likes throwing the ball to Alan Lazard, and that was
(30:50):
the thing to me, that the fact that he had
the arm action to get it out to the edges right,
that there was no question about that at all, and
that free play. I still wonder why that was as
it whistled dead based on where the defensive end was
in the defensive bag because I think it was Floyd
that was looking to come get him again. So you
got that for you too. But the linebacker just freezes
(31:12):
and lets Blizard run past him. It all counts just
the same. It's a touchdown. Thirty two to nineteen. The
forty three over under gets bypassed as we got into.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The fourth Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Speaker 1 (31:30):
Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with My best friend
Mike Harmon. So the forty nine Ers win over the
Jets thirty two to nineteen. You think the Niners have
no problems, Well, wait a minute, maybe the NFL will
award the Jets are the fifteen points after what we're
gonna tell you penalties big story tonight. Obviously, in warm ups,
(31:52):
Christian McCaffrey ruled out for the forty nine Ers. Jordan
Mason took over, had a big game, huge end, Niners
ride him to victory.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah, thirty two nineteen, the one thousand and eighty fifth
score agami. Really, thirty two nineteen thirty thirty's never been had,
So now we checked the box. He gone but I'm
pretty sure the Niners are going to wind up a
little bit light in the pocketbook because I don't know
that they were super transparent with the NFL. Because Christian
(32:24):
McCaffrey was going to play, everything was fine, Shanahan said,
so on Fir Shanahan said he was set to start. However,
Jordan Mason was asked after the game today when he
knew he was going to start.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
And this is what Jordan Mason said, Why did you
find out you're going to decide fund out?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Maybe Friday?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Friday night?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Wait, waita wait? What? Wait what?
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Wait wait a bitute, Wait a minute, wait Friday night.
So he's known for a couple of days he was
going to start. Now, what's Kyle Shanahan going to say
about that? No, no, wait a minute, I think someone's misremembering.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Jordan's said after the game he was told on Friday
night and he was gonna start.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
When did Christian start? The feeling cry?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
I never told Jordan he was gonna start. Told me
he had to be ready a bunch. But I might
have been Bobby or somebody trying to pump him up,
but I knew he was gonna have to play a
lot and told him that he was gonna have to.
It wasn't gonna be like usual. He's gonna be a
number two back that was splitting a lot of the time.
But now he didn't know he for sure was doing
that till the day.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, uh huh, Yeah, I believe that. I believe that matters.
Like I said, anybody would have run through the jetstorial.
But you prepared for McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
You prepared for his skill set, and you got Jordan
Mason instead.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I prepared for the best running back in the game,
and I got someone not nearly as good. And I'm
upset about that.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That is right.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
We weren't prepared. We let our foot off the gas,
and look what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
The question was when did you know you were gonna start?
Maybe Friday? So yeah, do I I think now after this,
suddenly Christian McCaffrey's ruled out. No, I'm sure there's gonna
be some kind of fine. This is not how the
NFL want, is not what anybody want, not how any
fantasy owners want it.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Oh come on, man.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I can't pick up Jordan Mason. Somebody's already got him.
I gotta pick up Isaac Corendo, He's gonna give.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You a zero.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That's what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Zero.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Yeah, No, it's the tough process that because the NFL
has to do something on this, or at least make
the cursory phone call. And maybe Shanahan's telling the absolute truth.
I don't buy it, but maybe he is. Yeah, here's
where we would go on law and order and I
gotta see the luds. I gotta see the We gotta
dump all the phones and all the communication, find out
(34:42):
where he goes. Was there anybody present when they had
their conversation or did he go back? Is you know
a few good men? Where's anybody else in the room?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Okay, so you got that too.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
But it's it's that.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Look, we talked about it last week.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
The estimate is thirty five billion being bet legally on
this sport. When we talk about from from the different proprietors,
different providers, different league partners at this point that this
is not in the spirit or the letter of what
(35:19):
you've been saying. Was an important piece of communication all
these years, because you remember, once upon a time when the
injury report was out, what did you say it was
for the gamblers period?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
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Speaker 4 (36:01):
You said we were gonna get the best running back,
you gave us a guy not as good, and you
beat us.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Bat ah uh, I'm just gonna go over here. I
don't know what else to say. Sorry. Coming up next,
we have the big takeaway from this game, forty nine
Ers Thump the Jets. Fox.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
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Speaker 1 (36:28):
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Friend Mike Harmon Spot the Lie livemantire rack dot Com
Studios and now we'll have more on the Niners and
the Jets coming up in a few minutes. Gonna hear
from Aaron Rodgers. But there are three guys in the
NFL whose days as a starting quarterback are nearing an
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end much more quickly than you'd expect them to. Deshaun Watson,
Kirk Cousins, and Daniel Jones, all three of them. Daniel Jones,
when your booed play two and your head coach has
to say, I'm not making a quarterback change after Week one, Yeah,
you're close to losing your gig. When you have a
(37:10):
really bad Week one and your head coach says your
injury from last year was not the problem. Kirk Cousins,
guess what, You're not holding onto that job very long.
Deshaun Watson, who was just look, he was flat out
terrible on Sunday. I understand it was a very rough
week for him. He lost his dad, he lost one
of his teammates at Clemson. But it's not a one
(37:31):
game thing for him. And for every and every time
I see people say the same thing about Deshaun Watson,
I go, do you not live in reality. Okay, because
Deshaun Watson is maybe one or two weeks away from
being replaced by Jameis Winston. All right, you've heard all that,
You've seen the guy play, Look all the stuff you've
heard in the promos and heard that's been said on Fox.
(37:53):
We told you about Deshaun Watson two weeks ago, right,
and months ago. He's not going to be the quarterback
for very long. He's not played well well, he's not
played a lot of football, and the Browns aren't gonna
flush another season. They're not gonna let him go sixteen.
He's got seventeen weeks now, He's got another couple of
weeks because if the Browns offense is absolutely dreadful, they're
going to make a move. They have a guy on
(38:14):
the bench who has played well before. Not that Jameis
Winston suddenly is the greatest guy in the world. But
you can't keep trotting out a quarterback that doesn't put
up results. He was awful against the Cowboys on Sunday,
and the Browns aren't going to let another year or
the talented roster go to waste.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You worry about the money at the end of the year, right,
and we'll get to the money. Well, you'll worry about
the money the end of the year, but he's due
all this money. If we cut him, we've got all
those dead come up. Forget about that. Worry about the
money at the end of the year. Get wins now,
figure things out later, just like we say with the
forty nine ers who said screw it, we're doing the
right thing. We're gonna pay Brandon Ayuk, We're gonna pay
Trent Williams, We're gonna pay all the guys, and we're
(38:53):
gonna figure things out after this year. We're holding the
Lombardi Trophy up if we lose three of the guys
making fifteen million dollars or more. Next year, we lose
three guys, but we've won the Super Bowl. The Niners
that we'll figure out the money in the off season.
If you're the Browns, it's the same thing. We'll figure
out the money in the off season. How long can
you go before you understand, Okay, Deshaun Watson is not
(39:14):
the guy he was. He just isn't. He's terrible and
things aren't going to get better. He's not gonna suddenly
get it. It's not you need to make a change.
And so I think I look at this and go,
if we're still having this conversation after week three, that's
a long time because you get out of September in
ut Tome. No, no, no, no, no. I know the
(39:34):
season is a little bit longer now with the extra game.
There's you know, with the extra wildcard. Okay, we still
feel all right with where we're at, but they're not
going to go through again what they went through last year,
which was Deshaun Watson was bad, then he got hurt.
Then they figured they played four quarterbacks. Brian Sipe was
two of them. And then we picked Joe Flacco up
off his couch, and boy, he got us to the
playoffs and it was the magic carpet ride that ended
(39:55):
a little bit early for us. But that's not going
to happen. The money will get figure it out, and
it will be Jameis Winston playing quarterback for then we
told you in the off season, Hey, he's gonna play
at least half the games a quarterback for the Browns
this year. Now that can get to three quarters. Like,
I'm okay moving that from half the games to three
quarters at this point, just because the Browns aren't going
(40:16):
to sit here and let this continue.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Well, the hard part with it is, you know, it
goes back to the economic truism, that is some costs
and recognizing what it is.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And you can do this with anything anything.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You purchase your car, your your home, your whatever. You
put the money into the TV, you've gotten enough years
out of it, and you move on. You know, they
owing did the conversation we were having before. Hey, you
get a new TV. Now you can stream and put
everything up on the television from the laptop and everything
else to give yourself that bigger picture. And the big
(40:51):
picture here is that you've spent the money. Now you
can massage things to do whatever you can for dead
cap purposes. And how much he's owed and the guarantees
made all bad business. My favorite meme yesterday going around
was the little clip from Moneyball of Jonah Hill pointing
to the whiteboard. See this this is a guy. He's
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Deshaun Watson. He's no good. I'm paraphrasing. And the ironic
thing is that was supposed to be Paul de Podesta,
who was the chief strategist who brought Deshaun Watson in
and orchestrated the deal and all the guaranteed money that
brought him to Cleveland. Even though he was moneyball guy.
Now he had money and got the authorization. But just
remember what happened with Deshaun Watson. He took that year off.
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He's not been that guy since. Right, he had a
big year and then they played hardball and he sat
on the sidelines and everything else, and now here we are.
So for the Browns, you've got a good roster, You're
in a tough division, and eventually all those other guys
are going to have to get paid too, and so
you don't want to waste the year and opportunity. Pittsburgh
(42:00):
being whatever they are, we're looking at them as a
five hundred plus or minus a game or two kind
of team each and every year Cincinnati gets punched in
the face by New England in Week one, we'll see
what happens with you know, the the chirping going on
between Jamar Chase and t Higgins about their deals and
trying to get those things remedied. And then you know
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you're you're looking at Baltimore that they lose to Kansas City,
but they look like they'll be game like they are
most years. So you're not gonna give away games because
I think they're they're with everybody else the back end
of the schedules, all your division stuff. So early on
you've got to try to stack some w's because the
the eaton will get much harder. See what I'm doing there,
(42:43):
because it's all jamis. Nobody eaton w You're also hungry.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
We have.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
We haven't had dinner yet.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I can't tell your but it was about eating W.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I know when you start making food analogies, I know.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
You're normally we get to one now just trying to
think of what what do I want for dinner?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Later? When we talk about a pie chart instead, you
say a pizza chart.
Speaker 6 (43:02):
I know.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Okay, you need to eat your I don't know that
I've used pizza chart imediately.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Harmon's angry. We got to get some.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Food, all right.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Well, I mean the hot takes will start flying. First year.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Let's get somebody to run up to a play a
loco for Harmon. He needs a little bit.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I appreciate that, but yeah, for Deshaun Watson, really it's
just that hard conversation, all right. And if you're Stefanski,
you've got to go in and be like this is untenable.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, we can't do this.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And and now you've got Jerome Ford in instead of
Nick Chubb, who's who's a decent running back. Your wide
receiving corps got a little bit out of Judy expecting
more was pretty and was invisible, which was a bit
surprising because I mean, Dallas was down several top defenders
in their defensive back. Now they welcome back Digs, but
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Bland is out. So you're thinking you're gonna be able
to find a free runner. Instead, nobody could block or
stop Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Now, look, so now let's get to the money party,
because that's what the brown. If Week three is gonna
be it, right, he's got an easier matchup this week.
Week three is it for Deshaun Watson, Then you're gonna
see Jameis Winston. Now let's get to the money because
that's that's the big that's the big default that I
see people say all the time. That just drives me back.
Banana is crazy. Oh they can't cut him because of
the dead cabinet. Show me a situation, any situation in
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sports where a team has started a guy and played
him all the way through the end of his contract
just because he's making money. Show me, show me one
place where boy, this guy stunk. But not just gonna
start him for a little while. We're gonna start him
all the way through the end of a bad contract,
three four more years. We're just gonna keep playing it
because we give him a big contract.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Because I said, kept seeing the same graphic people posting
the snapshot. I don't know which of the contract websites
it was from, but talking about how much he's ot
over two years, Like I can agree that. You know,
they'll tough it out, maybe a little bit longer this year, yeah,
and be in, you know, hold on for dear life
and hope that they can keep it within the white lines.
(45:03):
But you're telling me they're gonna do that for a second.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
It's not gonna happen. At the end of the year.
They'll figure out the money. You know why, because teams
always figure out the money because.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
You can write it off.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Like Kramer told us, Aaron Rodgers was never getting trade.
Look at the dead cappit for the for the packers,
look at the cat. What happened? Aaron Rodgers got traded
and it wasn't really that difficult. It was just the
Jets wanted them. The Packers wanted an extra first round pit,
and that's we played poker for that. The money was
taking care of Russell Wilson, right money was taking care.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Of Denver dug a giant hole and buried.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
But look at the dead cappit. But guess what also happens.
The cap goes up every single year. I'm not saying
it's not gonna be belt tightening, because there is that
going on. But look at the roster you have right now,
Ross you have right now, if there's no Deshaun Watson. Okay,
wait a minute, So the roster we have right now,
there's no Deshaun Watson, we still have the quarterbacks. We're
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gonna draft somebody most likely, and we're gonna to make replacements.
We'll lose a couple of players, but we'll go forward.
They will find a way. All teams find a way.
Nobody plays a guy for a long period of time
just because he's getting paid.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Gold Bloom, Jurassic Park. There finds a way.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Uh By, By the way, I can't believe that line
is so famous, Like every time I see that in
a big setting, like he says that and everybody class it.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Was behind the uh bono fly glasses.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Ironically, the guy that played the fly is even better
than the real thing life is. But but to think
that the money can't be worked, it's it's insane. And
I don't get why people get they can't do it,
because no, they'll figure out the money either, it will
be some kind of payment, they'll spread out the dead cap,
they'll they'll redo other people's contracts.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Give him that. That's the that's the biggest thing. I
don't know why every team is said to say, we're
gonna give you your entire contract and the signing bonus so
we can sign some other guys.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Oh, okay, that's just right. You converted to a signing bonus. Yes,
Fred money money.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Don't tell me they can't because they figured no matter
how bad a situation is, you could have a guy
whose dead cap would be the entire salary cap, and
still a team would find a way to figure it
out over the course of a year. All we'll do
this now, it's gonna be thin. We're gonna spread the
dead cap hit over. But the cap keeps going up
every year. This is not gonna be a case where
the Browns are gonna plead poverty and say we can't
(47:24):
even feel the teap. No, you'll be fine. Look at
the figure out the money.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Look what the forty nine ers just did right to
get Williams and I. You taken care of demo restructure,
created some sixteen point five million dollars of cap space
signing bonus. Smooth it out like the rough waters. We
used the analogy last week. Rough waters, but it's a
nice little ripple when it gets to the shore. Looks
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really rough and choppy out there, and then you just
easily ride it out. And that's that's the NFL and
salary cap. It looks daunting and it's a nice talking point,
but it's very easy to figure out all the loopholes
of how to change this out. Hey, can we give
you a signing bonus? It's witten Yeah, okay, you get
cash on hand. Might as well sing the J. G.
(48:10):
Wentworth song while you're not a.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Spot a G. Wentworth? Uh So to think it's not
three two more weeks and it's the Jameis Winston era.
However long that lasts. With the Cleveland Browns, Jamis Dennis
Denni's Derek Anderson Spurgeon win.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Going back to that giant graphic from the Fox broadcast, you.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Can have Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb come back and
battle it out.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Now we're talking.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
That was fun, wasn't it. Yeah, we can get Brady
some more run. He just comes out of the booth
suiting up for the Browns. I'm good. I could throw.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
I met Brady Quinn, our teammate here. I think, well
he was with the Browns.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I like Brady Quinn, but I think if they had
the choice between Tom Brady and Brady Quinn, go with
Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Look, man, there's petitions for him to be the Raiders quarterback.
I think I thinks owner slash quarterback. I think I
think Money Smith and Daniel Jeremiah with the best little
back and forth ever is like this game rock fight
because there was nothing going on, but you got a
petition in New York for the Giants.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Brady Can Brady suit up for us? I know we
beat him twice in Super Bowls, but he can come
save us?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Right, Please exit out Valda Fresca, exit swelling down the
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Hello, Welcome in side hour two The Jason Smith Show
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Ti rag dot com studios. A couple of minutes ago,
in the fourth quarter, Niners lead the Jets thirty two
to thirteen. Aaron Rodgers out of the game to Rod
Taylor is in, Braylan Allen is in, Byron Allen is
in skip, Stevenson is in.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
A billionaire, and byronur Percell is in.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Wow. Is that everybody from that? Yeah? Nicely done. So
we'll have more on this game coming up in a
few minutes. Niners are going to get the w week one,
the Jets are gonna get the Big L And yes,
I know breathe, breathe counted only one game, Mets one,
brave lots.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You got Tennessee. Next, you saw what they did against
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Then you got New England.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
They may run over you as well. I mean Stevenson
might might be able to do some of that, that's true.
But and then he got Denver and you got potentially
three ws in a row.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You might be eating W's.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
In no time.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, and Mets one Braves lost. Okay, No, that's it.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And that's the mantra for the rest of the night.
Can't go to sleep. Clown's gonna eat me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Met's one brain. Now. At the same time this game began,
huge headline comes out. The body cam footage of Tyree
Kill's arrest was made public yesterday a block outside the stadium.
You've seen the video. Now, Tyree Kill has pulled over
for UH speeding and he was seen you see the
(01:54):
video of him cuffed on the ground, video of him
on the sidewalk and UH police officer comes over and
kind of kicks him to the ground and we're wondering
what the hell happened. He was on the phone with
Drew Rosenhuis's agent. The entire time, and Drew Rosenhuis is
giving a statements yesterday saying he's on it, he's on route,
he's on route to the game, he's going to play.
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And Tyreek Hill had a big game, even made fun
of his arrest after a big touchdown. He had his
hands behind his back, and we're all wondering, Okay, let's
see what the bodycam footage shows, because this certainly was
a really bad optic where here's Tyreek Hill on the
ground in handcuffs and then hit by a police officer
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for likely and you know what I thought at the time,
I'm going the officer asked him to sit down, he
wouldn't do it, or they asked them movie he wouldn't
do it, and that's why he came over and kicked him,
which is an awful optic. And now the bodycam footage
comes out and you see that there was a big
escalation and it was an unnecessary escalation of the entire process.
Now there's a couple of things from this, because it's
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really watching it. Even though I knew how it was
going to end and he was okay, I was still
on edge the entire time for a couple of things,
and and and the first thing I want to say
is this, and this is true everywhere for everybody, is
that police officers are in a life or death situation.
Every time they walk into a domestic situation, when they
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pull somebody over, when they go into a building, it
is a life or death situation.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I've known a lot of people who in police officers
my entire life, and we have to understand that that's
where their minds are there because if not, things could
get really bad. So they are always in a life
or death situation.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I grew up waiting to hear whether my door the
back door opened. Yeah, like thirty plus years in Chicago.
So it's a lot of Knights of us laying there waiting,
depending on what shift it was that he got.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's it's a very difficult. It's that's how police officers
go out on every shift. Everything they do, they are
keyed up for because it is a life or death situation,
and not just their lives, but their partners lives or
other people who are who are dealing with this scene.
It could seem very innocuous and then it can go
sideways really fast. So to that extent, when the police
(04:09):
officer asks you to do something, do it. I've been
in that situation where please roll your window down, sir. Okay,
I don't like the way you're talking to me, but
I'll roll my window down because I know things could go.
Roll my window down or get out of the whatever
it is like that's happened happened me on Staten Island
a couple of times growing up. I'm like, oh my god,
these cops are just in our faces because my friend
was driving really fast or something was going on. So
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when the police will please tell you to do something,
you kind of have to do it. You could see
they were upset. The Tyreek Hill didn't roll his window down,
roll it down a tiny bit, and it's like, dude,
when the police tell you to do something, do it right.
You don't want to escalate the situation. Now that being said, right,
understanding those things, there is no profession that commands and
(04:53):
demands verbal respect more than police officers. No, in no
other professional atmosphere. Anybody who deal on a daily basis,
do you get spoken to the way police officers speak
to people who done something wrong or they're involved in
a situation that could be very volatile and they they
(05:16):
are keyed up right away, right, Like you saw the
one officer get to sir, you roll your win it
when I tell you don't do blank blank blake. Okay,
Now the situation has been really escalating.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Right because he rolls the window back up, right, he
takes it down, then he takes it back up, and
there's whatever that time that elapses is, yeah, doesn't necessity.
Once the car door opens, we get to a point
of all right, what's going on in his mind? But
we have the body cam to show it. And the
immediate visceral reaction is, well, it didn't need to do this.
(05:46):
But you understand where the emotions where the mentality of
it is at least trying to maintain your authority of
the situation, right, because you need to be in control, right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And does that go overboard times? Yeah, I think you
saw this was an escalation of that. There is the
respecting of a police officer and then there is a
police officer not escalating a situation. Because that's clearly what
happened is that in this in this part tyreek kill.
All right, you have the situation under control, right, it's
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one person in a car. Once you have determined the
situation is contained. Here's one person in a car that's
not somebody with a weapon that's doing something. Okay, the
law is on your side. And when he is screaming
at Tyreek Hill to get out of the car, well
the window down, all of a sudden, does that mean
the situation gets gets gets de escalated. No, everybody's keyed up.
The other officers are all keyed up.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Everybody's yet, and they pull him out of the car
and they're yelling at him and yelling at him and
yelling at him. It's okay, do you really need to
do that to someone that has done something wrong that
you are in control of the situation of do you
need to verbally escalate when you have him on the
ground in cuffs and you're trying to figure out answers? Right,
that's to me when I look at that, and I go,
(07:03):
that's where a situation could have been taken care of
a little bit better. Because let's just say, Tyreek take
the situation of of of Tyreek kill, sir, roll your
window down.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
He's not doing it. Is it a better situation to say, Okay,
do you want to add non compliant to the police
officer to this arrest. Roll your window down? Is that better?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Or is it better to bang on the window and
go you open this bleeping window right now?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Or blankety blank? But how's that going to make the
situation better? Again? Once you know a situation is contained,
and that situation, you had four police officers there, they
knew who it was. You have to know, hey, here's
a police here's a here's a license plate register to
Tyreek Hill. They know it's Tyreek Hill. In the car,
you get out, and and here's how the situation just
got really amped up, and and and just because of
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that that verbal part of it. The way I'm saying
is that that would really go a long way into
keeping situations below a boiling point because you don't need
to confuse the leverage you have in need in the
situation with needing to yell and scream, because what does
that do? That just causes chaos? Right, the yelling and
the screaming does is not conducive to Let's let's keep
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the situation under control. Understand what it is. He's gonna
get a ticket for reckless driving. If he doesn't comply,
we're gonna give non compliance because he didn't roll the
window down, didn't get out of the cart. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We can do all those things without yelling and screaming
and amping it up, because if that happens, maybe does
the officer go over and kick him to the ground.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Maybe does that happen? I mean, I get the tyree
kill is saying, Hey, I had knee surgery. I had
knee surgery. All right, Well, sir, you have five seconds
to find your way to the ground. Okay, you have
five seconds to find your way to the ground to sit.
That's what that's what you need to do now. Or
and instead of the guy, the one guy with his
hand on the bike going over and then kicking him
right like, I mean that that's a tell me how
that's not a better way to handle a situation. Again,
(08:51):
that is already in control. Oh again, you have him
in handcuffs, he is on there. What else is he
doing if he's yelling at you? Okay?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But if sometimes when when people yell at you, when
things like that are happening, you gotta let that go.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You're still the police officer in control of the situation. People, yep,
let people yet you can, you can even give them
more of it. You want to keep yelling you want
another you want another charge put against you, Like, that's
how it could go. Instead, it's just if you don't
completely respect what I said, you come back at me,
that just escalates the situation. And I'm not saying it's hey,
it's always one person's fault, it's always another person's fault.
(09:26):
But it's that's that's where I go, Wow, there is
no way this thing was was under a boiling point
where it could have been where a lot of it
could have been avoided. Right if they pull Tyreek Kill over,
Tyree Kill rolls his window down, they want to have
him out of the car, they don't need to throw
him on the ground. They could still cuff him, sit
on the on the there's a way for it to
do it where Okay, it doesn't seem like something is
(09:48):
out of control, but that yeah, But but the but
the verbal part of this, of this equation is what
really escalated all of it.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, but you know in terms of the once he's
out out of the car and gets it gets physical
from that point and then obviously the the extra after that.
It got escalated when the window rolls back up because
you have no idea, like just because he's Tyreek Hill,
insert any other citizen there you have. You have no
(10:20):
idea what's what's coming back? Right, because he rolled it down,
they have an exchange, he rolls it back up. And
again I'm not excusing any of the extra like, but
just that initial set and I get it, and I
and I know what. We talk about it, and we
have for many a year in terms of the frequency
with which people get pulled over when you're talking about
(10:41):
African Americans and incidences of this, and and certainly we've
watched it from the moment it happened through right now.
You can load up any social media, any news site,
plenty of thought pieces and commentary on this. It's an unfortunate,
horrible situation. The Dolphins really east a statement a little
bit early because you had multiple other players that we
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were there, right, Campbell and others who were on the scene.
I mean, I knew how it ended, and I was
still nervous, Like I knew how it ended its Campbell,
but it's like you know the end, you know the
end game, but you want to see this is one
of those instances like all right, let me let me
see the footage from the front, right, all right, I
saw the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
How did the play develop?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Kind of thing to use the analogy back into football,
and here, you know, it ramps up and you see
how agitated the officer gets immediately when that window went
back up. Unnecessarily right, and look for Tyreek Hill. All
of that was extra and unnecessary. And they'll figure it out,
(11:44):
administrative leaves, firings, whatever comes out of it in the investigation.
I'm surprised the full body cam came out as quickly
as it did. I was waiting for the full body
cam to not be available. Yeah, because immediately from the
motorcycle rolling up right that, Like, I wasn't anticipating that
we would see either the full.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Video or any video for that matter.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
That because we had all of those the people that
were on site who became citizen journalists and breaking it
down and posting it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
But just another horrible incident.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And you know, for all of us, whatever our professions,
always the question of de escalation and best best paths.
And you know, to the point you made originally, like
you have no idea what you're walking into or what
the situation. Doesn't matter how fancy a car it is,
doesn't matter the bank account or the celebrity there inside.
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You know, if you've got to go into an active
situation like that, it's gonna get amped up. And if
you feel disrespected, guess what, it's going to amp up again.
And then we see it from once that door opens,
where it gets it definitely is over an extra and
I don't think there's any disputing that if you're a
rational human being.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, look, if it look the de escalation verbally would
help so many situations, right, it would help them. But
like I said, but that's you know, hey, we are
gonna be we're in charge of this physically, and we're
in charge of this. What we say, you shut up
and you listen and you say yes sir. Like that's
something where hey, I don't know how. I don't know
how that goes anymore, right, And and that's a tough one.
(13:28):
And evolving with the situation is something that Wow, at
some point after it's all after it's all set up,
you realize, Okay, we're the police officers. What do we
have here. We've pulled over Tyreek Hill who was speeding
in some way and didn't do what we wanted him
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to do. We got him out of the car, We
cuffed him sitting here on the sidewalk. We have to
know that this situation now is different because there's people
walking by, cell phones are out, his teammates are stopping by.
His is Tyreek Kill? You know at some point this
is Tyree Kill. It's a wide receiver for the Dolphins.
And whatever happened before, you know that this is not
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gonna come out well for you when this goes out
on social media, because people are gonna see it and
before they get any explanation, everybody's gonna have rush to
your judgment of void. Look at this. Here's Tyreek Hill
on the ground and here's Tyreek Hill getting kicked by
a police officer before anything comes out. Those are the
first two images. And you know, now, whatever you want
(14:32):
to say, what happened where Tyreek Hill didn't listen to
you where you caught it, You're coming from a huge
area disadvantage because you didn't evolve with the situation of
this is not just some dude you pulled over and
he was mouthy and he yeah, okay, this is Tyreek Hill.
Let's understand where we're at. Understand, we're a block from
the Dolphins stadium. People are walking to the game, his
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teammates have pulled over. Let's be cool and let's do
the right thing and instead look at how we're where.
This came from the first two images that everybody saw
top to bottom, him on the ground and then him
getting kicked to the ground by the people driving by
with their phones. So I mean, I I just think
there there needs to be I don't know that it's
it's it's a it's a training because everybody jumps to
(15:15):
all these be more training, but just be in situations.
It's it's evolved with it and and and get that
maybe certain certain things that you need to do in
the very beginning of a situation you can pull back from.
Once it is, once it is contained. On once is
I don't have to worry. There's nobody else in the car,
there's nobody with a weapon, there's no okay, this is contained. Now.
(15:37):
Let let's let let's let's do things. Let's deescalate and
let's do things little. Let's take the temperature down and
we finish this the way the way we should. And
if if that happened more, then we'd have way less
situations like this. But that needs to be more of
a thinking way of Okay, when we show up, we
not to. We have to do things a little bit
differently on on both sides, right, because I said, look,
cops need to do it differently de escalation. When the
(15:59):
cops ask you to do something, kind of have to
do it. You know, I know you don't want to,
you don't like that, But how is that going to
make it better if you are not going to listen
to police officers like those things need to happen and
that and that's the worst part is that this was
something that could have been completely avoided. It could have
been completely avoided and and and that's the shame and
this is that now this has come up as a
really big thing when it could have been, Hey, he
(16:22):
got pulled over for speeding, but he's playing in the game. Okay,
that's your story. But instead it's this and now it's
full of fire and brimstone and all through it in
both sides. And it was completely avoidable, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
And certainly the fact that we've got a full video
of it that's now been made available it answers a
lot of those questions, right, because again, we we saw
the endgame of it through the initial passers by video.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
We heard the.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Accounts in the post game from Tyreek Hill and Kalais Campbell,
uh and and others, Drew rosenhaus and and everybody making
their statements.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But then you get at the video because.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You're trying to find out what went from point A
to B to get us from B two C. And
now we have that, it's like, well, what did it justify?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Did it not?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Is it in Congress? And the answer is yes, right
like without it without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So again, all.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
These are horrible learning pieces for everybody in terms of civility,
uh de escalation processes, and the reminder that no matter
how many simulations you go through with anything, right, whatever
training you do for your jobs out there, if you're
a first responder and you're working you know, as a
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as a police officer or in security whatever, you know,
we're we're with you. You know, do your jobs and
and you know, just recognize the power that you have
and the responsibility that you take on with those roles,
and for everybody else to recognize that, you know, you
can do your part to de escalate as well. But
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again it's you know, it's an unfortunate learning piece that'll
come out of this of you know, problems that still
are pervasive within these types of situations. And no matter
how many simulations you do in anything, any line of work,
when the real thing comes, if it hasn't in a while,
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it can get out of sorts really fast.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
We do all these trainings and whatever else for your job,
maybe you do. You all do them as well. If
all of a sudden there's a fire in the building,
is everybody going back to steps one through fifteen that
they learned very quick probably.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Not very very quietly walk to the thing. No, I'm
throwing a chair through.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
A window, right, I'm grabbing what I need to and
I'm getting out right, it's all of those kind of things.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
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dot com. So the game is over. Yeah, the Jets
get blown out. It's a final. The score looks a
(20:19):
lot closer than it was San Francisco thirty two nineteen.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I still covering.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah's minus four and a half at or if you
bet at your day, I mean, look, you probably got
suckered in because McCaffrey was only worth a point or
a point and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah. Yeah, And look, and we're going to get to
a big controversy coming up in about twenty minutes whether
or not the Christian McCaffrey situation was on the up
and up. And boy do we have the SoundBite from
Jordan Mason to take us there. So before we get
to the Niners, let's let let's talk about the Jets. Okay, Uh,
where am I now? After seeing this at the point
(20:59):
ten minutes before or the game, I couldn't keep a
thought in my head. I'm yelling, let's effing go, let's go.
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I think Tom Brady trademark that, so I think you
owe him seven dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And after this is gone, and we watched the Niners
win in a dominant fashion. They ran the ball all
over the Jets. They threw the ball when they wanted to.
I don't think brock Perdy had to make any throws
in tough, tight windows. Receivers were open. The Jets defense stiffened,
and they forced the Niners to kick six field goals
or this would have been really out of hand. But
(21:34):
I'm okay, And not just because the Mets won and
the Braves lost. I mean I am okay because of that.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, I mean that does help. You're You're to at
least bring you.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Back to even Yeah, Mets one and you'll get some chocolates.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Chocolate. But there's there's three things that I sit back
and go, Okay, you know what, It's fine. It's not
doom and gloom. It's not the end of the world.
Did I want to win tonight, Yes, But here's three things.
And this this is universal about the Jets Week one
playing out San Francisco. Who's supposed to win this game?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Forty nine ers, right, forty nine They've been in the
Super Bowl last year, they're loaded, most talented roster in
the game. Yes, did not have Christian McCaffrey for the
beginning of the game, but this is still a game.
The forty nine ers were supposed to go. But the
overarching media story was that it was too noisy this offseason.
For it was too noisy, so they were not going
to be prepared and together.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I mean Peyton Manning lost his mind.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
When you dropped that would be touchdown on the Manning cast,
which is making the rounds virally saying.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Hey, if you were in camp, you had some time together,
you would have caught that pass. He looked like he
wanted to throw a football through a through a window.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Now that's a no. I'll throw a football over that mountain.
Now that's a that's a that's a different conversation, which
we'll have that.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
But it was supposed to be too noisy. Great opportunity
for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is still a team that is coming off a
Super Bowl again third year in a row, with probably
the most talented roster in the NFL. They're supposed to
win this game at home Monday Night Football, Week one.
So in the end, the Jets winning this game. If
the Jets had opened up on the road Monday Night
Football against the Titans and looked like this, they have
the Titans next week, I'd be concerned. They look like
(23:13):
this against the Panthers Week one, I'd be really concerned.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, no, you want to talk about optimism and excitement. Wow, gone,
I mean that's Leo DiCaprio flamethrower to h.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Good God, but what Week one? They're supposed to lose
to the nut not are supposed to win this game
and they did. This is an eye opening game for
a defense that talked all kinds of trash in the offseason.
The Jets always want to win the offseason. All we've
heard from the Jets how great this defense is, and
it is a great deal.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You know what would have been better if that guy
Reddick was around. I don't mean Vin Diesel and maybe
he and DJ the Chronicles of Reddick Willie Shaw. I mean,
maybe the Jets now find some extra cash to give
to side. I was going to say, there's gonna be
a little restructuring of dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
He looking at like was getting to the quarterback. The
problem tonight, No, wasn't the problem.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It was toughness in the defensive interior and getting run over.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
This is not how the Jets play defensively. This is
not a team that gets running lanes opened up on
them regularly like they did tonight with Jordan Mason running
the football. Anybody Jordan Mace had a big night. Anybody
would have run through those holes. He had his choice
of lent. Do I want to go lane one? It's
like me at the supermarket. Well, lane one looks like
it's open. I could get up lane two as someone
(24:28):
behind Lane three is open. Lane four is open.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So single guy four items no chick check, I mean
get there.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
They were just blowing the Jets off the line. Michael
Clemens had a horrendous game. They aired. They aimed so
much of their running game at him. When they threw
the football, guys were open right. There was no tight coverage,
there was no rock Purdy had to get the ball
in on this. There were players who were just how
is no one covering George Kittle right? How is deebo
that way? How is Jennings opened by five yards right?
(24:56):
And there was weird things happening. Sauce Gardner was out
for a big series for some reason. We don't know why.
This is an attention grabbing moment for the Jets, where, okay,
you know what, maybe we're believing our hype a little
bit too much and look at what happened to us
against a good team.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Well, sometimes you need to get punched in the mouth
right right, and this is there's no better team to
do it than one that loves to run right. We've
got very few of those in the National Football League.
Looks like all our presupposition and theory testing of the
harball led Chargers, Yeah, that's what they're gonna do. They're
gonna try to punch in the mouth and run the ball. Okay, fine,
(25:34):
Baltimore to a degree, still gonna do that in theory
more with Derry Henry, but there's very few teams in
this case. You knew what the forty nine Ers were
going to bring at you, and it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
No, this gets your attention. Okay, we were not ready
for this game. We're not ready for what they had.
We did a little too much talking.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
So I firmly believe this is this is one of
those Hey, you're gonna see a different Jets defense next
week in the week after. But you're also playing a
team that was the co favorite for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So you're playing the forty nine ers at home on
a Monday night. They're supposed to win the game.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I mean it was again only a field goal spread
only four and a half all off season, so you
know the expectation was that the Jets were going to
come in and give a better effort, Like that's the
thing I'd be concerned about, just the fact that you
got run off the board. But again, you're playing a
great team. Now it's Tennessee, followed by New England one
(26:25):
and O New England, and then you've got Denver in theory.
In theory, you've got a three game winning streak. It
should but again Robert Sala and then you'll face Sam
Darnold in week five.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And the third part of it is this not that
he made it past Snap five, the Snap four disaster,
which was an Allen Lazard drop, But Aaron Rodgers as
the game went on, you could tell looked a little
more comfortable. I saw his body language at the end
of the game. After the game was over. It was
laughing at midfield. I'm sure for him, all the tough
talking that he did. Making it through this game still
(27:00):
showing he could throw the football because he led a
couple of nice drives, didn't look like Aaron Rodgers was
suddenly as washed did make some big throws. I was
able to get the ball to Garrett Wilson a few times,
so this was a big positive for him in that. Okay,
I feel good going forward that, Hey, he got the
first game under him. He walked off the field. It
(27:20):
was the Niners who have a hillacious defense. He only
got sacked once. Right, He still showed some escapability getting
outside the pocket, being able to throw the ball away.
You know, a lot of that is in your mind
till you play your first game. And so from that perspective,
and the Jets did move the ball a little bit,
I feel good about that. Now. The bad stuff is,
I don't feel they were ready for week one, but
(27:41):
this happened. And going forward, are all of these things
either correctable or something that you were building off of.
And the check mark goes to all of those right
away from week one against the Niners. Okay, great, right
now you expect the Niners to be better than the Jets.
Got it well? The defense played better. Now that yes,
check got it is Aaron Rodgers better place for him
mentally going through a game playing with his teammates. Remember
(28:02):
sitting out all preseason, not playing any game situations. Yes,
he played in the joint practices, but it's a different
thing to tee it up for real, especially when you
know he had everything going into last year and then
four snaps and he's done. So there's that mental hurdle
for him as well. And I think you're gonna see
him starting to play more Aaron Rodgers type football than
we expected. So I feel good all the way through. Okay,
(28:26):
they lost. I was a mad while it's going on,
a mad scene. Lane's getting blown wide open in the Jets,
and well, what are they doing? What is happening? I'll
break what are you calling defensively? But then the game
ends and I realized, Okay, in the end it would
have been a bonus to win. This is stuff that's correctable.
Aaron Rodgers looks good. I didn't feel like boy no
(28:46):
arm strength or he's shying away from both. No, he
made some good throws. He looked like he could throw
the ball deep. The touchdown passed the lizard where he
could tell I got a free play with a jumping
off sides. I know I might get hit, but I'm
delivering that football and we scored a touchdown. I feel
fine about the Jets going forward now if they if
they don't get out of this next couple of weeks
three and one, that's a different store.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, for for this week. You take what it is
and we will look at the slate all the waycross
the border and highs and lows and and everybody losing
their minds. I did myself a favor and I dialed
up the hometown radio station for a bit and sampled
some Bears talk coming out of the wind over Tennessee.
And you would have thought they lost forty eight to nothing. Uh,
(29:31):
listening to callers and to some of their hosts all night,
it's like you got a w right, you can you
can only get better now. Roma Dunday being out for
indefinitely with a knee injury after hopping off the field
not something you want to see in your in your breakdown.
But the reality is everybody's got vast room for improvement.
Like this is not the high water bark for anybody
(29:53):
in the nash And if it is, you got problems
right Like you know, in terms of health, you know,
we're gonna have to watch because he had a lot
of big injuries here how quickly guys can get back
on the field. And if they do, you know, we're
talking percentages and trying to force yourself back into action
because you consider yourself a contender, et cetera. But for
the Jets in a Week one, I'd be moderately concerned
(30:15):
that you got run over, But Trent Williams was there
playing a lot of snaps and you expected them to
be able to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
If this happened in Week fifteen, I would be concerned that, Wow,
we're not playing our best football against really good team.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
As you're coming down the stretch, this is where it's
supposed to be. But that's it.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's like the learning curve and getting acclimated once again
to the field. I think Alan Lazar is a guy
Fantasy owners are gonna have to decide how much of
their fab budget they're putting there because he's your number two.
Whether you'd like it or not. Mike Williams could be
on the field, he may be running sprints. Aaron Rodgers
likes throwing the ball to Alan Lazard, and that was
(30:50):
the thing to me, that the fact that he had
the arm action to get it out to the edges right,
that there was no question about that at all, and
that free play. I still wonder why that was as
it whistled dead based on where the defensive end was
in the defensive bag because I think it was Floyd
that was looking to come get him again. So you
got that for you too. But the linebacker just freezes
(31:12):
and lets Blizard run past him. It all counts just
the same. It's a touchdown. Thirty two to nineteen. The
forty three over under gets bypassed as we got into.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The fourth Be sure to catch live editions of The
Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern,
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Speaker 1 (31:30):
Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with My best friend
Mike Harmon. So the forty nine Ers win over the
Jets thirty two to nineteen. You think the Niners have
no problems, Well, wait a minute, maybe the NFL will
award the Jets are the fifteen points after what we're
gonna tell you penalties big story tonight. Obviously, in warm ups,
(31:52):
Christian McCaffrey ruled out for the forty nine Ers. Jordan
Mason took over, had a big game, huge end, Niners
ride him to victory.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah, thirty two nineteen, the one thousand and eighty fifth
score agami. Really, thirty two nineteen thirty thirty's never been had,
So now we checked the box. He gone but I'm
pretty sure the Niners are going to wind up a
little bit light in the pocketbook because I don't know
that they were super transparent with the NFL. Because Christian
(32:24):
McCaffrey was going to play, everything was fine, Shanahan said,
so on Fir Shanahan said he was set to start. However,
Jordan Mason was asked after the game today when he
knew he was going to start.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
And this is what Jordan Mason said, Why did you
find out you're going to decide fund out?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Maybe Friday?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Friday night?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Wait, waita wait? What? Wait what?
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Wait wait a bitute, Wait a minute, wait Friday night.
So he's known for a couple of days he was
going to start. Now, what's Kyle Shanahan going to say
about that? No, no, wait a minute, I think someone's misremembering.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Jordan's said after the game he was told on Friday
night and he was gonna start.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
When did Christian start? The feeling cry?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
I never told Jordan he was gonna start. Told me
he had to be ready a bunch. But I might
have been Bobby or somebody trying to pump him up,
but I knew he was gonna have to play a
lot and told him that he was gonna have to.
It wasn't gonna be like usual. He's gonna be a
number two back that was splitting a lot of the time.
But now he didn't know he for sure was doing
that till the day.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, uh huh, Yeah, I believe that. I believe that matters.
Like I said, anybody would have run through the jetstorial.
But you prepared for McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
You prepared for his skill set, and you got Jordan
Mason instead.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I prepared for the best running back in the game,
and I got someone not nearly as good. And I'm
upset about that.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That is right.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
We weren't prepared. We let our foot off the gas,
and look what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
The question was when did you know you were gonna start?
Maybe Friday? So yeah, do I I think now after this,
suddenly Christian McCaffrey's ruled out. No, I'm sure there's gonna
be some kind of fine. This is not how the
NFL want, is not what anybody want, not how any
fantasy owners want it.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Oh come on, man.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I can't pick up Jordan Mason. Somebody's already got him.
I gotta pick up Isaac Corendo, He's gonna give.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You a zero.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That's what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Zero.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Yeah, No, it's the tough process that because the NFL
has to do something on this, or at least make
the cursory phone call. And maybe Shanahan's telling the absolute truth.
I don't buy it, but maybe he is. Yeah, here's
where we would go on law and order and I
gotta see the luds. I gotta see the We gotta
dump all the phones and all the communication, find out
(34:42):
where he goes. Was there anybody present when they had
their conversation or did he go back? Is you know
a few good men? Where's anybody else in the room?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Okay, so you got that too.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
But it's it's that.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Look, we talked about it last week.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
The estimate is thirty five billion being bet legally on
this sport. When we talk about from from the different proprietors,
different providers, different league partners at this point that this
is not in the spirit or the letter of what
(35:19):
you've been saying. Was an important piece of communication all
these years, because you remember, once upon a time when the
injury report was out, what did you say it was
for the gamblers period?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
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Speaker 4 (36:01):
You said we were gonna get the best running back,
you gave us a guy not as good, and you
beat us.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Bat ah uh, I'm just gonna go over here. I
don't know what else to say. Sorry. Coming up next,
we have the big takeaway from this game, forty nine
Ers Thump the Jets. Fox.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
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Speaker 1 (36:28):
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Studios and now we'll have more on the Niners and
the Jets coming up in a few minutes. Gonna hear
from Aaron Rodgers. But there are three guys in the
NFL whose days as a starting quarterback are nearing an
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end much more quickly than you'd expect them to. Deshaun Watson,
Kirk Cousins, and Daniel Jones, all three of them. Daniel Jones,
when your booed play two and your head coach has
to say, I'm not making a quarterback change after Week one, Yeah,
you're close to losing your gig. When you have a
(37:10):
really bad Week one and your head coach says your
injury from last year was not the problem. Kirk Cousins,
guess what, You're not holding onto that job very long.
Deshaun Watson, who was just look, he was flat out
terrible on Sunday. I understand it was a very rough
week for him. He lost his dad, he lost one
of his teammates at Clemson. But it's not a one
(37:31):
game thing for him. And for every and every time
I see people say the same thing about Deshaun Watson,
I go, do you not live in reality. Okay, because
Deshaun Watson is maybe one or two weeks away from
being replaced by Jameis Winston. All right, you've heard all that,
You've seen the guy play, Look all the stuff you've
heard in the promos and heard that's been said on Fox.
(37:53):
We told you about Deshaun Watson two weeks ago, right,
and months ago. He's not going to be the quarterback
for very long. He's not played well well, he's not
played a lot of football, and the Browns aren't gonna
flush another season. They're not gonna let him go sixteen.
He's got seventeen weeks now, He's got another couple of
weeks because if the Browns offense is absolutely dreadful, they're
going to make a move. They have a guy on
(38:14):
the bench who has played well before. Not that Jameis
Winston suddenly is the greatest guy in the world. But
you can't keep trotting out a quarterback that doesn't put
up results. He was awful against the Cowboys on Sunday,
and the Browns aren't going to let another year or
the talented roster go to waste.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You worry about the money at the end of the year, right,
and we'll get to the money. Well, you'll worry about
the money the end of the year, but he's due
all this money. If we cut him, we've got all
those dead come up. Forget about that. Worry about the
money at the end of the year. Get wins now,
figure things out later, just like we say with the
forty nine ers who said screw it, we're doing the
right thing. We're gonna pay Brandon Ayuk, We're gonna pay
Trent Williams, We're gonna pay all the guys, and we're
(38:53):
gonna figure things out after this year. We're holding the
Lombardi Trophy up if we lose three of the guys
making fifteen million dollars or more. Next year, we lose
three guys, but we've won the Super Bowl. The Niners
that we'll figure out the money in the off season.
If you're the Browns, it's the same thing. We'll figure
out the money in the off season. How long can
you go before you understand, Okay, Deshaun Watson is not
(39:14):
the guy he was. He just isn't. He's terrible and
things aren't going to get better. He's not gonna suddenly
get it. It's not you need to make a change.
And so I think I look at this and go,
if we're still having this conversation after week three, that's
a long time because you get out of September in
ut Tome. No, no, no, no, no. I know the
(39:34):
season is a little bit longer now with the extra game.
There's you know, with the extra wildcard. Okay, we still
feel all right with where we're at, but they're not
going to go through again what they went through last year,
which was Deshaun Watson was bad, then he got hurt.
Then they figured they played four quarterbacks. Brian Sipe was
two of them. And then we picked Joe Flacco up
off his couch, and boy, he got us to the
playoffs and it was the magic carpet ride that ended
(39:55):
a little bit early for us. But that's not going
to happen. The money will get figure it out, and
it will be Jameis Winston playing quarterback for then we
told you in the off season, Hey, he's gonna play
at least half the games a quarterback for the Browns
this year. Now that can get to three quarters. Like,
I'm okay moving that from half the games to three
quarters at this point, just because the Browns aren't going
(40:16):
to sit here and let this continue.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Well, the hard part with it is, you know, it
goes back to the economic truism, that is some costs
and recognizing what it is.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And you can do this with anything anything.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You purchase your car, your your home, your whatever. You
put the money into the TV, you've gotten enough years
out of it, and you move on. You know, they
owing did the conversation we were having before. Hey, you
get a new TV. Now you can stream and put
everything up on the television from the laptop and everything
else to give yourself that bigger picture. And the big
(40:51):
picture here is that you've spent the money. Now you
can massage things to do whatever you can for dead
cap purposes. And how much he's owed and the guarantees
made all bad business. My favorite meme yesterday going around
was the little clip from Moneyball of Jonah Hill pointing
to the whiteboard. See this this is a guy. He's
(41:14):
Deshaun Watson. He's no good. I'm paraphrasing. And the ironic
thing is that was supposed to be Paul de Podesta,
who was the chief strategist who brought Deshaun Watson in
and orchestrated the deal and all the guaranteed money that
brought him to Cleveland. Even though he was moneyball guy.
Now he had money and got the authorization. But just
remember what happened with Deshaun Watson. He took that year off.
(41:37):
He's not been that guy since. Right, he had a
big year and then they played hardball and he sat
on the sidelines and everything else, and now here we are.
So for the Browns, you've got a good roster, You're
in a tough division, and eventually all those other guys
are going to have to get paid too, and so
you don't want to waste the year and opportunity. Pittsburgh
(42:00):
being whatever they are, we're looking at them as a
five hundred plus or minus a game or two kind
of team each and every year Cincinnati gets punched in
the face by New England in Week one, we'll see
what happens with you know, the the chirping going on
between Jamar Chase and t Higgins about their deals and
trying to get those things remedied. And then you know
(42:23):
you're you're looking at Baltimore that they lose to Kansas City,
but they look like they'll be game like they are
most years. So you're not gonna give away games because
I think they're they're with everybody else the back end
of the schedules, all your division stuff. So early on
you've got to try to stack some w's because the
the eaton will get much harder. See what I'm doing there,
(42:43):
because it's all jamis. Nobody eaton w You're also hungry.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
We have.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
We haven't had dinner yet.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I can't tell your but it was about eating W.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I know when you start making food analogies, I know.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
You're normally we get to one now just trying to
think of what what do I want for dinner?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Later? When we talk about a pie chart instead, you
say a pizza chart.
Speaker 6 (43:02):
I know.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Okay, you need to eat your I don't know that
I've used pizza chart imediately.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Harmon's angry. We got to get some.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Food, all right.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Well, I mean the hot takes will start flying. First year.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Let's get somebody to run up to a play a
loco for Harmon. He needs a little bit.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I appreciate that, but yeah, for Deshaun Watson, really it's
just that hard conversation, all right. And if you're Stefanski,
you've got to go in and be like this is untenable.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, we can't do this.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And and now you've got Jerome Ford in instead of
Nick Chubb, who's who's a decent running back. Your wide
receiving corps got a little bit out of Judy expecting
more was pretty and was invisible, which was a bit
surprising because I mean, Dallas was down several top defenders
in their defensive back. Now they welcome back Digs, but
(43:48):
Bland is out. So you're thinking you're gonna be able
to find a free runner. Instead, nobody could block or
stop Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Now, look, so now let's get to the money party,
because that's what the brown. If Week three is gonna
be it, right, he's got an easier matchup this week.
Week three is it for Deshaun Watson, Then you're gonna
see Jameis Winston. Now let's get to the money because
that's that's the big that's the big default that I
see people say all the time. That just drives me back.
Banana is crazy. Oh they can't cut him because of
the dead cabinet. Show me a situation, any situation in
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sports where a team has started a guy and played
him all the way through the end of his contract
just because he's making money. Show me, show me one
place where boy, this guy stunk. But not just gonna
start him for a little while. We're gonna start him
all the way through the end of a bad contract,
three four more years. We're just gonna keep playing it
because we give him a big contract.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Because I said, kept seeing the same graphic people posting
the snapshot. I don't know which of the contract websites
it was from, but talking about how much he's ot
over two years, Like I can agree that. You know,
they'll tough it out, maybe a little bit longer this year, yeah,
and be in, you know, hold on for dear life
and hope that they can keep it within the white lines.
(45:03):
But you're telling me they're gonna do that for a second.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
It's not gonna happen. At the end of the year.
They'll figure out the money. You know why, because teams
always figure out the money because.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
You can write it off.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Like Kramer told us, Aaron Rodgers was never getting trade.
Look at the dead cappit for the for the packers,
look at the cat. What happened? Aaron Rodgers got traded
and it wasn't really that difficult. It was just the
Jets wanted them. The Packers wanted an extra first round pit,
and that's we played poker for that. The money was
taking care of Russell Wilson, right money was taking care.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Of Denver dug a giant hole and buried.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
But look at the dead cappit. But guess what also happens.
The cap goes up every single year. I'm not saying
it's not gonna be belt tightening, because there is that
going on. But look at the roster you have right now,
Ross you have right now, if there's no Deshaun Watson. Okay,
wait a minute, So the roster we have right now,
there's no Deshaun Watson, we still have the quarterbacks. We're
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gonna draft somebody most likely, and we're gonna to make replacements.
We'll lose a couple of players, but we'll go forward.
They will find a way. All teams find a way.
Nobody plays a guy for a long period of time
just because he's getting paid.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Gold Bloom, Jurassic Park. There finds a way.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Uh By, By the way, I can't believe that line
is so famous, Like every time I see that in
a big setting, like he says that and everybody class it.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Was behind the uh bono fly glasses.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Ironically, the guy that played the fly is even better
than the real thing life is. But but to think
that the money can't be worked, it's it's insane. And
I don't get why people get they can't do it,
because no, they'll figure out the money either, it will
be some kind of payment, they'll spread out the dead cap,
they'll they'll redo other people's contracts.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Give him that. That's the that's the biggest thing. I
don't know why every team is said to say, we're
gonna give you your entire contract and the signing bonus so
we can sign some other guys.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Oh, okay, that's just right. You converted to a signing bonus. Yes,
Fred money money.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Don't tell me they can't because they figured no matter
how bad a situation is, you could have a guy
whose dead cap would be the entire salary cap, and
still a team would find a way to figure it
out over the course of a year. All we'll do
this now, it's gonna be thin. We're gonna spread the
dead cap hit over. But the cap keeps going up
every year. This is not gonna be a case where
the Browns are gonna plead poverty and say we can't
(47:24):
even feel the teap. No, you'll be fine. Look at
the figure out the money.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Look what the forty nine ers just did right to
get Williams and I. You taken care of demo restructure,
created some sixteen point five million dollars of cap space
signing bonus. Smooth it out like the rough waters. We
used the analogy last week. Rough waters, but it's a
nice little ripple when it gets to the shore. Looks
(47:49):
really rough and choppy out there, and then you just
easily ride it out. And that's that's the NFL and
salary cap. It looks daunting and it's a nice talking point,
but it's very easy to figure out all the loopholes
of how to change this out. Hey, can we give
you a signing bonus? It's witten Yeah, okay, you get
cash on hand. Might as well sing the J. G.
(48:10):
Wentworth song while you're not a.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Spot a G. Wentworth? Uh So to think it's not
three two more weeks and it's the Jameis Winston era.
However long that lasts. With the Cleveland Browns, Jamis Dennis
Denni's Derek Anderson Spurgeon win.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Going back to that giant graphic from the Fox broadcast, you.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Can have Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb come back and
battle it out.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Now we're talking.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
That was fun, wasn't it. Yeah, we can get Brady
some more run. He just comes out of the booth
suiting up for the Browns. I'm good. I could throw.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
I met Brady Quinn, our teammate here. I think, well
he was with the Browns.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I like Brady Quinn, but I think if they had
the choice between Tom Brady and Brady Quinn, go with
Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Look, man, there's petitions for him to be the Raiders quarterback.
I think I thinks owner slash quarterback. I think I
think Money Smith and Daniel Jeremiah with the best little
back and forth ever is like this game rock fight
because there was nothing going on, but you got a
petition in New York for the Giants.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Brady Can Brady suit up for us? I know we
beat him twice in Super Bowls, but he can come
save us?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Right, Please exit out Valda Fresca, exit swelling down the
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