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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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the extended family on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you
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appreciate you. Jason Smith off tonight celebrating a birthday, so
hit him up at how about a Prescoay, Remind him
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how old he looks and how old he's become, Like
you'd straight out of a Star Wars movie with us
tonight in his stead years in the National Football League,
long time voice here on the weekends here Fox Sports Radio,
and we're always pleased when he joins us. It's doctor
rich Hornberg. You hear him down in San Diego each
and every day. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Brother, The doctor is in. I made it. I've journeyed
far and wide, well actually really just over the to
the spare bedroom, to broadcast See Alive, and all over
the nation. As you mentioned all those affiliates. We're glad
that you're with us tonight. And even though Jason's not here,
I'm gonna do my best to bang the drum for
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the Jets and Jason Fields and gosh, I mean they
are just.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, we don't need any more Justin Fields talk. It's
a final no, okay, all right, fair enough, and he's
been deposed. We established that yesterday that the era of
Justin Fields as a starter with the New York Football
Jets are really seemingly anywhere should be done. So congratulations
on a job done, and God bless he walked away
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with an awful lot of cheddar for the effort that
he put forth.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
This is what I'll say about Justin Fields. You know, look,
I think that it is really hard to be a
quarterback in the NFL and both observing the game now
as a fan like everyone else, in an analyst and
during my time playing. When you share the rooms with
those guys, you realize you got to be built different
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to handle the stress and the strain of facing the
media for every little thing. I mean, and the bigger
the spotlight, the harder it is to operate. I mean,
they even break down how Patrick Mahomes walks. There are
like tiktoks and Instagram reels just highlighting how goofy he
looks when he walks, when he walks Mike, I mean,
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like everything is under scrutiny. So it's just one of
those things where heavy is the head that wears a crown.
Like you said, he's a very rich man and a
lot of people have a hard time, you know, crying
big boohoo tears for millionaires who get to play a
kids game for King Ransom. But but I will say
it's really hard y. Just because it hasn't worked out
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for a couple of teams for a couple of years
doesn't mean we haven't seen his best yet. Just look
at Gino Smith with the Seahawks when he had his
re emergence. It hasn't held. But look at Sam Darnold
his re emergence with the Vikings. He's made the Seahawks
better since he's been there, you know, So I'm I
guess I'm gonna say it looks like it could be
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over for Justin Fields. It may certainly be over for
him in New York, but I'm not ready to write
off any quarterbacks in today's NFL because we've seen a
lot of second and third acts to careers where we
thought they were dead in the water.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's one of the things we talk about quite a
bit on the show Rich the opportunity, the circumstances to
where you're drafted and later to the opportunities you get
coaching staffs, and the fact that it's a veritable merrigal
round seemingly with all but about five franchises. Right They
put up the graphic with the the Raider game, which
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ties us directly back to Gino Smith, who was very
u I don't want to say, despondent, defiant, whatever the
term you would be, with his postgame comments kind of
talking about the EBB and flow of where they're at
offensively and play calling and everything else. But they had
the graphic up there. You know, Pete Carroll's the fifth
coach since twenty twenty, and there were three other teams
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that were on that graphic with them, right, So I mean,
just talking about the merry go round, not to mention
the coordinator thing. I mean, whenever we get into discussions
about Jalen Hurts, you know, you'd be remiss to not
bring up the fact that he's had a different coordinator
or quarterback coach or both pretty much every year of
his professional and collegiate life. So you know, the messaging
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is going to be different, the terminology, the play calling, philosophy,
all of that stuff. So quarterback position again, with injuries
this week, we're already into the mid fifties. I think
think in terms of how many different guys have started
a game, that's how that's how crazy is it? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah? And I think part of that is obviously there's
always injuries, and we saw a rash of injuries at
the quarterback position, Penix and Gabriel and you know, Aaron
Rodgers went down like you know there. You know, some
will be back soon. It sounds like maybe Rogers was
going to suit up or try to suit up for
next Sunday's game, and some it'll take some time. But yeah,
that's part of the the you know, the dialogue Brock
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was hurt for a while out in forty nine Land
for a little while. But also I think there's a
shorter leash and a quicker hook with a lot of
these staffs because they realize that the hourglass is running
out for them too. So if things aren't working, we
know how quick owners are to dismiss head coaches now,
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and so they go to the understudy quicker these days
than ever before. Long since have passed the days where
you'll let a quarterback toil out there for years and
finally figure it out year three, like, oh, yeah, you know,
it took him a couple of seasons, but it's really
starting to click here. No, no, no, no no, because wins
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overall are the only thing that ownership groups care about
these days, and if you don't have them, you are
not long for the job of head coach in this league.
And if you don't protect yourself from losing that job,
you're not going to establish any player, let alone a quarterback.
So yeah, it doesn't shock me, Mike with that number
you give, but over fifty quarterbacks at this point in
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the season, I mean it's a lot, that's a lot
of starters.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, I mean we're just talking two three here and there.
I mean we're talking about the Browns moving on and
probably Sanders under center this week. So all of those things,
you know, that come to bear. But you know, we
talk about the where we're at in terms of coaches tenure.
I mean, you watched it with with Brian Dable. Now
you knew you'd see Jackson Dart sooner rather than later.
Just they traded back up to get him. Then Russell
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Wilson was well what Russell Wilson has become. But all
in all, it became the all right, this also becomes
the this potentially gives me a life raft to extend
my time in this job. And unfortunately the way he
handled Jackson Dart, the fact that they continue to lose
obviously helps nothing in that regard. But the fact that
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Jackson Dart found himself in the medical tent week after
week you had the embarrassing thing of running into said
medical tent. All of that, you know, just piled up
to where Maren and Shane Jane had to show that
he still deserved his suit and is suite at the
end of the hallway, so he had to make that
move as well. So we're just in that strange time
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in the National Football League going into Week twelve, four
teams on by, but so many guys that we do
the laundry list, like the end of the cable movie
right where they're starting the new one. So the credits
roll at about three times the speed and it's a
lot of names. That's where we're at in the NFL.
If you go team by team on their injury reports.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, that's such a good comparison. And it's true, like
you know, it whizzes by the screen because it's a
mile long, and yeah, you know, look, it's what have
you done for me lately? League? Like, all of a sudden,
the Chiefs, who you know are going to welcome in
the Colts off of bye, who have been great this season,
you know that they've got to be shaken in their
boots a little bit, even though Arrowhead has been a
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house of horrors for AFC teams. You know, if you
drop to five and six, especially in kind of a
crowded bottom of the wild card in that conference, man,
you know, all of a sudden, you got some problems.
I mean, especially with Baltimore at a five hundred record,
playing the way they are, you know, I'm not saying
Andy Reid is anywhere near losing his job. He's not,
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And I certainly wouldn't say that for John Harbaugh, especially
since Lamar's come back. And you can see sort of
the you know, the the sigh of relief from Baltimore fans,
especially after a win, a demonstrative win this past weekend.
But there there are those those feelings of when things
are going wrong for even a franchise that has had
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sustained and continued success, there are those feelings of, ooh,
we've all been waiting for the other shoe to drop.
We knew that the end of the era was coming soon.
Maybe it's arrived. And then we also know how loyal
ownership groups can be when the good stops being so good,
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you know, all of a sudden, the honeymoon phase is
over all. The winning drives up a little bit, the
fans start booing from the stands in the third quarter,
in the fourth quarter at home, and there's that tinge
of embarrassment. You know, it's it's it's interesting where we're
at in the NFL, but it's uh, it's the most
wonderful time of the year. As soon as you start
smelling Thanksgiving Turkey, Mike, you really start seeing who's the
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cream of the crop and you can start weeding out
the dregs of the league.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Fun.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Just to put it in perspective from the AFC, the
Chiefs are still plus seventy three in point differential, that's
third in the conference for their five and five record
to this point. Some close losses and all those one
possession losses which has become the hallmark of their squad right,
winning ugly and finishing the job this week Denver the
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latest example of an opportunity to go get them resplendent
in those throwback uniforms of course, where we celebrate those
all the time, but the inability to push them all downfield.
I would love to circle back to the Lamar Jackson
for a second. The fact that Mark Andrews has to
be used as your your short yardage guy because Derrick
Henry can't do it, and you've got him doing a
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pivot rollout. I mean, you ever think about doing one
of those moves back in your playing days. I'm in
one of those.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Hey watch me do this reverse pivot and get to
the edge. I mean, my goodness, it was I love
that plan. So if you can't beat him, join them.
Let's start there. The Jalen Hurts tush push dilemma that
the Eagles put the entirety of the league in led
to an ownership vote that did not get passed to
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ban the play. So what's happened in reaction, Well, exactly
what you thought would happen. A bunch of teams practiced
really hard this offseason the play that they couldn't get banned,
and so the Buffalo Bills, a team that voted against it,
the Ravens, a team that voted against it and wanted
it banned from the league. They're both employing the tush
push this year. There's a lot of teams that have
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changed heart over this play, and the Ravens have taken
it to a new level because now they're running some trickeration.
You have a backfield where Mark Andrews is your quarterback
under center, you have Lamar back there, you have Derrick Henry,
and you have a play like you drew up last Sunday,
where Lamar and Derrick Henry go one way, and then
you have a reverse pivot from the quarterback who's supposed
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to be the tush push or so to speak, and
he rolls out with a lead block from a fullback
in front of him to the right side. Literally nobody
was home. He was in a foot race with the skycam. Yeah,
and guess what he won. And it was just a
beautifully designed and beautifully executed play.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, anytime we could actually get a mention of a
full back into an NFL play, we get excited around
these parts. Ricard with the big block.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The bigger thing is also just the curiosity of Lamar
going forward where he is health wise, because the explosiveness
with his legs doesn't seem to be there, which may
be a limiting factor as we go forward, but certainly
something to watch. But they're on a nice winning streak
and the schedule opens for them quite nicely. So AFC
is going to be a jumbled mess. And for Kansas
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City haters, all those folks that hate Love and Taylor
Swift and Travis Kelsey who didn't talk to the media
after the latest loss, it's all good for you because, well,
you got a month and a half of the holidays
to annoy your family if their chiefs with your hatred thereof,
And we always like to see someone new rise up
and mean we do. I mean, you remember the Patriots.
(13:07):
You watched it live and in living color. How things
suddenly turned on you. You went from being cute and
codle to we're tired of these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, people, people very quickly. Look, you know, the Patriots
for a long time were kind of lovable losers of
the NFL. No, you know, they were in no one's way.
They were an easy win for a lot of AFC
teams and really a lot of the AFC East. And
then that all changed when Kraft bought the team, hired
Bill Belichick. The rest is history. But even even the
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Patriots are more palatable now about a handful of years
departed from the Brady Belichick eras with rabel who, by
the way, is fresh off of that Belichick tree, and
Drake May, Drake May. It just feels different, it feels new.
It feels okay to maybe root for the Patriots a
little bit now, whereas if you go rewind the clock
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a half decade ago, nobody wanted the Patriots to win.
But that's the thing in the NFL. You have a
target on your back once you achieve sustained effect or success,
and it's happening with the Eagles, It's obviously already happened
with the Kansas City Chiefs. And even though the Lions
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have been a down and out franchise for years and
years and years, if you fast forward the clock three
years from now, and the Lions are making the postseason constantly,
and they're making championship games constantly, and dare I say,
get to a Super Bowl or even win one. People
will tire of the Honolulu Blue too. It's just the
way fandom goes league wide in all these leagues. You know,
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the Dodgers are feeling it now, it'll be who knows
the Yankees again? Soon here, it'll be the Mets maybe
one day, if they can ever get out of their
own way. Yeah, I just.
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in from a prospecting, wagering investing. He was investing with
Giant Italises and such. Today is the forty second anniversary
of the release to me of one of the most
overrated films of all time. A Christmas story almost as
many years ago, Lebron James made his NBA debut. Okay,
it's only twenty three, but he gets back on the
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court tonight. He took to the fun and exciting of
the world of the media yesterday to shied everybody who
had been calling him old and making fun of his sciatica.
I hope you never get it. I hope you never
get because waiting for a little guy to pop up
with a violin to play behind him. But he makes
his return tonight, rich after missing the open to this season,
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season twenty three again just a New World Order, part
Cyborg and all of those things that we joke about.
Lakers have been one of the fun surprises to the
early part of this NBA campaign. Now in the middle
of this road trip, but ten and four on the year,
fourth in the Western Conference, great minutes parsed out, even
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missing some Luka Doncia's time. You've had other guys step
up and they've had a really good rotation. And now
we get to sit back with our popcorn as this
unfolds and a big matchup against the Utah Jazz, the
plucky Utah jazz. How about that. That's the term I'll
use for them here to see if that disrupts the
apple cart and creates some chaos for JJ Redick.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah. So my take on Lebron being added to this
lineup is there's two sides to this coin. I'm gonna
go with all the positives. First, Lebron James even what
twenty three years, twenty three plus years, I mean I've
lost count twenty three league.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Is still one of the most dominant players on the planet,
like worthy of double teams at times. I mean, if
he catches the hot hand, what do you do? You know,
you slide defense his way, you get help, principles in
the lane. He is one of the best athletes on
the planet. At forty one years of age, still can
do all the things it appears he could do in
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his twenties. You know, there's an ageless sentiment to him,
very similar to Tom Brady. How like a fine wine.
He sort of aged well, went down to Tampa Bay
in his forties and put up career numbers and won
a Super Bowl for them. The first year out of
New England. Lebron James with the Lakers obvious already has
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won a championship. This guy, he's special. Having said that,
what's happening with the Lakers right now, with Luca and
this upstart group and this starting five they've assembled in
his stead, it has also been special. And so there's
this feeling of what is gonna happen here? Is there
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gonna be all of a sudden, a very large and
insanely talented yet a little rusty fly in the ointment
where all of the fun that the kids were having,
or the mice we're having while the cat was away,
whatever analogy or metaphor you want to use, is it
all gonna go away now? So I know that sounds
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like I'm speaking out of two sides of my mouth,
but we really don't know what we're about to see.
It could it could be somewhere you know that swings
toward the positive where it's a plus ad just like
it's always been. You add Lebron to the lineup and
it's like stirring, you know, nest quick in a glass
of milk. It makes it better. Uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
We can all get behind yeah, or who knows?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I mean, maybe he jumps in and things start going
wrong and there's a bunch of finger pointing, but everybody
obviously knows what the big difference is, you know, or
could land somewhere in between. What's your read on this situation?
If you had to choose a side, where do you think?
Where do you think this goes from here?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I think it's awkward off the jump, for the fact
that a lot of the guys who've been getting pretty
heavy rotation minutes have to go back and find their
roles again, right to where maybe they got a few
minutes to warm up before they needed to take a
shot or make a meaningful play because they were getting
fifteen minutes, Well, suddenly they're down to eight or ten,
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and the touches are different, the rotations are different, how
the spacing on the floor is will change, and then
how much ball stopping do we get from either side? Right,
we watched it last year. Sometimes it worked really well
together right for a lot of the season, But then
there were certainly parts of games where Lebron's ball dominant
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and Luca's just kind of standing over on the side,
just staring at him or vice versa and waiting for
however the play was gonna break down, right, it becomes
the one on one get to the whole kind of situation.
You've gotten great minutes from eighton and Marcus Smart, two
veterans getting after For DeAndre Ayton, remember his season debut,
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the poison bends were already out. Instead, he's a guy
now averaging thirty minutes a game, sixteen points and eight boards.
Lebron last year was a twenty four to eight and
eight guy. So you're hoping to PLoP something like that in.
But for la Ravia gave Vincent back in tonight, Dalton
connect and guys all the way on that part of
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the extreme, like how much does being relegated to fewer
minutes and a shorter rotation perhaps affect how they get
that buy in and flow that they've managed so well
in the early going.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah, well, you know it does help when the guy
who's coming into minutes as Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, No, that's I mean psychologically sure, but it you know,
it's still the all right, I'm not touching the ball
and I may not be seeing a court nearly as
much as I was where we're not you know, playing
matchups and whatever the same way. So for JJ Reddick,
I think it's an interesting an interesting balance here, you know.
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And also how many minutes are we expecting off the jump?
I have no idea, right, you know, we had the
the odds went up for the the old Hey, Lebron
always scores ten in a game. Let me see if
I can find those right quick, because I saw that
graphic pop up, which was kind of funny because they
grabbed about as ridiculous an image of Lebron to reinforce
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that as they could, one of those big if you
overlaid the grinch, I mean, that was the kind of
grin he had in the moment. Let's see, it was
Lebron to score ten or more points minus four thousand,
score fewer than ten points sixteen to one. Yeah, yeah,
just the expectation. He comes in and he's going to
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play his minutes, a lot of pregame shoot around. I'm
curious what's on his playlist as he's going through his motions.
But I don't know. It's exciting for the NBA. You've
lost so many guys to injury. We've already seen a
laundry list of stars from Wemba Yama and John Morant,
Anthony Davis, the old Laker, I mean, and we've we've
(24:27):
watched all of the reports out of there, Dico Harrison
got himself fired already, you know, all all of those
things that have flown through. But the Kawhi Leonard missing time,
no big shock. But when you talk about star power,
Giannis is now going to miss time because of a
groin injury. NBA needs Lebron James back right now as
we hit the holidays.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, and shout out to Nika Harrison. You's snuck
in a call out. Yeah, I mean easily the MVP
of the Lakers this season. I mean, he's really who
helped assemble all this you were I was joking with Frostburg,
he was like, which Kobe statue do you think they're
gonna take down for Nico's statue? You know? And how
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many how many championships will he be awarded in in
Los Angeles? You know, here's the thing. Yeah, Doncic is special,
and Lebron is special, and the way Reeves has stepped
up as special and some of the minutes that we're
seeing really quality minutes from eight and you know what
I think we're going to see And I don't want
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to do. I don't want to do something that you know,
Lakers fans will be plenty happy to if they demolished
the Jazz and Lebron plays, you know, even insignificant minutes,
but looks good, looks healthy, They're gonna be There's gonna
be plenty of Laker ball washing, but I think they're
gonna be just fine. I think that this, come the
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end of what is a very very long regular season,
is going to look like a blip on the raid
are Oh do you remember when you know Lebron was
heard early in the season, gosh, doesn't he look great again?
And man, maybe that was the best thing for the
Lakers to happen, was him go out of the lineup
for a little bit and all these guys around Lebron
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to start believing himself and college gee Jj Reddick is
just such a great coach. I can already see the
headlines being written. And it's going to be much to
the nausea of the rest of the basketball watching public
because most people don't want or root for Lakers' success.
But I think that's where this is heading.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I just want to be relevant, you know, come
Game eighty and in the mix and healthy and with
those two guys on the court and maybe Austin Reeves
continues to become a little bit of one of those
you know, little engine that could you know, success stories
that folks love so much.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, and I think it's all gonna work out in
the end. Here here's what I will say in the
short term if it doesn't, okay, because I want to
swing the pendulum the other way and play Devil's advocate
because it's more fun that way.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Absolutely, this is what I think will happen. Look, everybody
has strong allegiances until until they don't. And we've seen
this many times with Lebron James, Like when there needs
to be somebody holding the bag for him publicly for
whatever's wrong with the team, he'll find someone to go
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ahead and take out the trash. And whether they're a
willing participant or not. How many teammates have we seen
all of a sudden be at the center of, you know,
a scuttle butt of some sort where they're getting blamed.
Lebron is you know, Scott Free In the meantime, I
think where this might go is potentially and I don't
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know how it's going to be worded, whether it's how
many minutes players are getting or the rotation, You're gonna
start hearing sourced reports about JJ Reddick and how he's
mishandling this roster. That's where I think it goes. If
Lebron struggles out the gates, if the team struggles with
him being sort of implemented into the lineup after being
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out for so long and the chemistry being so good,
if it's a herky jerky month here, say for the Lakers,
which in the grand scheme of things isn't very long,
but people can lose their mind over a month, I
think you're going to start seeing a lot of people
make the probably correct assumption that the biggest issue is
they're having a hard time readjusting to Lebron being in
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the lineup, And what you're going to see is the
counter attack from his PR camp and clutch media and
all of the folks that surround him in his orbit,
sourcing reports about how JJ Reddick is mishandling this roster.
And because somebody's got to hold the back, Oh sure,
it is going to be the key So so who yeah,
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so who's going to be the fall guy? And I
have a feeling it's going to be the head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Rich What if I were to tell you Lebron just
got boot and warm.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Ups not completely shocked people at home after a five
game road actually didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But it's believable, right.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, it is believable. You know what I would say,
I would say both are likely. I don't know what's
more likely, but both are likely. He gets boot or
he gets cheered for in warm ups.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Good, be no question about it.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
That's how fickle the LA market can be.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
There's no no doubt about it. Hey, be sure to
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coming up next, and that makes the perfect time to
sign it over to the news desk to our guy,
A man's man, A man of information. It's steve to say,
(30:10):
and a good evening to you of somebody. We start
with the NFL.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
As Bengals star wide receiver Jamar Chase is out this
weekend as one game suspension was upheld tonight. Texans quarterback
c J. Stroud with his concussion. We'll miss a third
straight game this Thursday against the Bills. Quarterback Davis Mills
will start again for Houston. Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will
not need surgery on his broken left wrist. He will
not practice Wednesday, but reportedly he is pushing to play
(30:37):
Sunday at Chicago. Pittsburgh is optimistic the running back Jalen
Warren will play despite an ankle injury. Steelers defensive back
Darius Slay is still in concussion protocol. Titans wide receiver
Calvin Ridley was placed on injured reserve with a broken leg.
Cardinals running back a Mari de Mercado is likely out
this weekend with a high ankle spring well. The new
(30:57):
college football playoff rankings are out this evening. The top
three stayed the same with number one Ohio State in
Indiana and Texas A and M. Georgia now number four.
Oklahoma up to number eight in the country, then number
nine Notre Dame, and number ten Alabama. Sobama would just
barely make the playoff at this point. Not making the
playoff at this point number eleven BYU or number twelve
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Utah because number thirteen Miami would be in if it's
the ACC champion. Also in would be TWU Lane at
number twenty four in the country. Tulane would be the
best of the so called group of five teams. As
of now. The matchups would be Alabama in a first
round game at Oregon, and next month it would be
(31:41):
Notre Dame at Oklahoma in the first round. The top
four would get first round bys. College football selection Sunday
is December the seventh. There's a doubleheader of college basketball
tonight at Madison Square Garden. Already at a top twenty matchup,
Michigan State rold Kentucky eighty three to sixty six. Number
five Duke leads hans Is sixty to fifty three with
(32:02):
under ten minutes to go. In the NBA, the Spurs
won one eleven one oh one over Memphis de Aaron
Fox with twenty six points. Victor wemen Yama is out
with a strained calf, and the Spurs Defon Castle with
a strained hip, will be reevaluated in one to two weeks.
He was Rookie of the Year last season. Milwaukee's Giannis
Antennacumpo could miss up to two weeks with a strain groin.
(32:24):
Lebron James of La is making his season debut tonight
after a bad back. The Lakers at ten and four
about to tip off hosting the Utah Jazz. There is
a game later than that in a half an hour,
Phoenix at Portland. Memphis, by the way, had lost four
in a row going into its l at San Antonio tonight,
but Detroit has won eleven in a row after a
(32:45):
victory at Atlanta one twenty to one. Twelve victories for
Boston and Orlando among the NHL games, eight of them tonight.
Islanders now have a three to two lead in the
final seconds at Dallas Tampa Bay a five to one
winner over New Jersey. That's your Show to Imanaga accepted
a qualifying offer to stay with the Cubs. Spain and
Belgium among those earning spots in next summer's World Cup,
(33:08):
and US Men's soccer had its final game this year,
winning an exhibition in Tampa five to one over Uruguay.
The Americans led three nothing after about thirty minutes and
four nothing late in the first half.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Back to you, thanks so much, Steve. As we continue
here from the Fox Sports Radio studios, Mike Carvin alongside
Rich Ornberger. At Ornberger where you find him, O h
R N ask Dr gr that's right, Ask Rich. It's
not become the drop because of the Rich Samini fun
back and forth Aaron Glenn when he got all indignant
(33:41):
a week ago. So it's your name and you get
spotlighted a lot, Ask Rich. Ask Rich, it's not a
bad way. I don't have an answer much. Ask Rich.
You may not have any idea what we're talking about,
but ask him.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, please do any questions our fair game.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Honestly, well you are the doctor at Orberger if you
have those questions. But coming up next, as we heard
in the update, the new college football playoff rankings and
first round projected matchups are out. A number twenty four
is part of the mix that gets people with their
handwringing going. We'll see what the explanations are this week,
(34:24):
because last week it was all about how the eye
test looked and style points. Did that hold for another week?
We'll talk.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 3 (34:39):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show. Well
with me, Mike Garman. No Jason Smith tonight it instead,
we got our guy Rich Ornberger in with us hey.
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Com the way tire buying should be. As we surmise,
perhaps a bit of awkwardness reacquaintance kind of moments here
for the Los Angeles Lakers as they're kind of standing
around reintroducing themselves to each other. Is Utah's jumped out
to a sixteen to six lead on midway through the
(35:22):
first for the Lakers. They got two shots up in
the first three minutes of an NBA game in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, and are in our world. This is what you
would call not working. But again again, like I mean,
we're talking about Q one of the very first game
that Lebron is on the foe the shows now minit Hornberger, Yeah, yeah,
I know that's true. But still, I mean, we're not
(35:52):
even all the way halfway through the first quarter, and
I asked Frostburg, I'm like, do you think they sho
you call it like a season? Do you think it's over?
And Hugh was like, now, come on, come on, there's
still time.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
He's gonna send me that greasy guy as soon as
they draw even there's a gift that he sends me,
the guy mouthing the word Nakers with his big fake
gold chain on. So we'll see that, I'm sure later
on as we go. Lebron in the early going over
one took a three point shot, and we'll see as
this game continues the fluidity and how the rotations work,
(36:28):
but certainly a curiosity. One more game on the slate,
the eight pm Peacock game that'll come up that has
everybody also wringing their hands because of well it's eleven
o'clock East Coast time before you get a tip off,
so some of that saltiness that rolls through. But earlier
this evening we got the latest iteration of the college
football rankings rich for the college football playoffs up the top.
(36:54):
You know, we get this the usual suspects stated in
one through three. So that's all fine. Alabama after losing
to Oklahoma. So now you've got number four Georgia. It
jumps up Texas Tech sitting at number five. A week ago,
we were listening to the committee talk about style points
and oh they settled for too many field goals for
(37:14):
their liking. So it felt like we were back in
the Spurrier and Bowden days with some of the commentary
that they had last week. This week a lot centering
on Mario Christobal, where we've got Miami at thirteen, but
they jump into the back end of the playoff grid
as we sit here today, and you've got the head
(37:36):
to head win over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame's two
losses come into ranked teams versus Miami losing to SMU
and Louisville. So plenty of football to be played to
sort this all out. But the politicking goes on as
soon as the numbers hit the sheets.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's no question about it. I mean, look,
I think some of the broad sweeps and strokes you
can make looking at this CFP. I mean, first and foremost,
what I'll say is, I mean not as many SEC
teams looking as dangerous as they did to start the season. Sure,
(38:19):
I mean, that's that's one of the things that sticks
out in my mind. I mean, you know, I'm looking
at the twelve teams that would be invited into the postseason.
It's like, hey, where are you Texas. Wasn't everybody where
are you? You know, it wasn't everybody really excited about
you know, It's like, we don't know, you never know.
(38:40):
You know, you start the season with all these bold proclamations,
and I'll give you another one that's kind of rattling
around in my brain, like, I don't think that the
teams emerging from the Big Ten are nearly as battle
tested as the teams emerging from what has become an
extremely contentious se See. You know, so Ohio State's sitting
(39:02):
pretty if you start to really investigate their strength of schedule,
I mean, you can make some arguments and I'm not
going to call them overrated. But my co host on
Countdown over the weekends, Brian No, he'd make that argument
right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
And a lot of that comes from his Notre Dame base,
from growing up Indian.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
So yeah, there's no question about it there his his
colors don't run and you know his gold Yeah yeah,
but but but you know, look, I mean, if you
are going to do some further deeper investigation into Ohio STATEA,
I wouldn't call them frauds, not by a long shot.
But there are some people who are eager to Indiana.
(39:45):
Are we thinking that they're going to survive well against
the strength of the SEC? I don't know, but I'm
I'm not completely commenced Oregon to me eyeball test wise.
They've got some really special playmakers around a very young,
untested quarterback who's had a brilliant season, But do they
(40:06):
look like Oregon of last year. There's some question marks
around the Big Ten and so look, this list will change.
We know there are gonna be more upsets this season.
If there's one thing you can guarantee week to week
is more upsets in college football.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, I think one of the big things when we
go through you got on the play, what's on the schedule,
and until we get to a super conference crossover, you know,
kill a crossover event or everybody realizes you know where
the next big pot of gold is, which is more
Big Ten in SEC battles, that this is where we're
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gonna get.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
We go through the regular season and there's always gonna
be haves and have nots, and it becomes the question
of do you do you then have relegation. Fortunately, my
Northwestern squad is good enough this year that they wouldn't
be there. But you know, we'll get to another Big
Ten topic as the show goes on. But it's just that, Rich,
you play the schedule, and then if you go into
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the postseason. Once upon a time, it was the bowl season, right,
and you'd have guys teams roll through say the Big
Ten or another conference, and then they'd go up against
the teams of the SEC, which were better athletes and
better speed at the wide receiver position, better cornerbacks, and
you were right back. It's just twenty years later. Not
(41:25):
much has changed in that regard. He's Rich orn Berger
on Mike Carmon here Fox Sports Radio. As we continue
a little more back to the National Football League finders.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
So if that's my physical I could get out there
and look, I don't want to. I don't want to
under estimate or pretend like what these offensive linemen are
asked to do at the NFL level is easy by
any stretch. It's a lonely feeling when a team knows
that they've got your number up front and they can
(41:58):
start picking you apart with and getting you know, one
on one blocks. That was a rough game against the
Jacksonville Jaguars. That was a tough loss for the Chargers,
especially when you look at a down year for the Chiefs.
An opportunity to pounds and you know Denver winning close
ones left and right, you kind of feel like his
others you're gonna drop, you know. It's just a man,
(42:22):
what a squandered opportunity. And it all came down to
those two major injuries between Alt and Slater.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
We've talked about it a lot, the the problems from
the training room. They went away for a year and
here they circle right back right. It's one of those
things with the Chargers, with the Ravens, we've chronicled probably
the last half decade plus where they've lost an an
ordinate number of starts to injury. So it hits again
(42:50):
with those two big players, Slater and all on the
offensive line and the trickle down effect. They're in with
the squad. You also hear rich as part of the
San Diego State football five and one, eight and two overall,
first in the Mountain West Conference. One of your many
hats that you.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Wear, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, they sit alone atop the
Mountain West. You know, a group of five masterpiece is
what this overall season has looked like. They've had a
couple of losses and tough ones on the road. They
lost a Washington State against the Cougars in Pullman on
the Poloose out there. They they they just they squandered
(43:30):
what looked like a good and fast start to losing
kind of the middle eight minutes of that game and
never got it back. And then they got beat soundly
on the Hawaiian Islands against the University of Hawaii. That
was their first ragn date. They just beat Boise State
in the driving rain in San Diego. Through most of
the game. It was kind of spotty in the second half,
but the run game wasn't. They only threw They threw
(43:54):
for less than twenty yards and they won a game
by ten points.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
It's one of those scatemy kind of games, is what
it looked like. It sounded like got to hear a
little bit. I was in the car for a bunch
of that one, and I listened to our Chargers brethren
Sprosburg and Matt money Smith and Daniel Jeremiah on that one. So,
you know, different excitement levels of course, but the driving
(44:19):
rain really taking some of the juice out of what
we're doing. There's another run play and another run play.
But hey, it's effective football, right, it's winning football.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
That's right. Yeah. Look, you know, and I give a
lot of credits offensive coordinators in general, who, in whatever
it is, face with adversity or or not, you know,
just finding what works in a singular moment, in a
singular game, sticking to it. Like, there are so many
offensive coordinators who can't get out of their own way
(44:51):
where they're calling places from the sideline because they're on
the call sheet. You know, it's like, well, we got
to use them because we practiced them this week. Well,
what's wrong with just run in the plays that work?
You know, what's wrong with dominating people and blowing people
off the wall play after play after play in the
run game, and if that proves to be effective and
(45:11):
they don't have an effective answer, to that proven concept,
just going back to it and going back to it
and going back to it. And you know, we saw
a lot of that Saturday, fortunately for San Diego State
and my squad out here in San Diego, and then
unfortunately my old squad the Los Angeles Chargers on the
road in Jacksonville. It was kind of like the shoe
(45:33):
was on the other foot Jacksonville who just found the
key to success against the Chargers, which is, you know,
just I mean, take runs at Justin Herbert, get his
cage rattled early and he started to come unwound a
little bit down the stretch of that game.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, and then you saw the run game with ETN
and Toot and doing their thing. Trevor Lawrence for a while.
He just had perfected that two step to just get
the ball into their gut. So as we float through,
we'll talk more NFL in just a moment, because you
want to see what the cost of an egregious offensive
act is. One NFL player found out as a suspension
(46:12):
got held up. We'll tell you what it cost him.
But first a quick update. The Lakers at home down
nine to the Utah jazz lebron James I Oh for
one in his seven minutes played in that first quarter,
So we'll keep an eye on that. Your leading score
was Heantay George with thirteen for the Lakers, Luca nine
(46:35):
points on three of seven shooting. Now in the Pittsburgh
Steelers and Cincinnati Bengals game, a very publicized act, you know,
a disgusting act to steal from Joe Buck all those
years ago at that Randy Moss celebration. But you know,
we've seen the proliferation an epidemic, as it were, of
(46:55):
spitting across the National Football League, and here you had
Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase getting after it. Mike Tomlin
was asked, you know, hey, if your guys in the middle,
I like, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I have no message of someone spits in your face.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You do what comes natural, and.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
There you have it, right, get yourself thrown out. But look,
your instincts are gonna take out because it's about as disrespectful.
I mean, I don't know what's what would be worse. Right,
we talk about sucker punches and all the other stuff
that we see on a field, but spitting as bad
as it gets. Want a guess with the game, check
and fine and everything totaled for Jamar Chase?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah, what did that all add up to?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Being five hundred and seven thousand dollars?
Speaker 4 (47:41):
That's an expensive mistake.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Very and the suspended for a game, Not that the
Bengals are going anywhere, but it's part of the larger
narrative of do you bother bringing Joe Burrow back off
the shelf after another loss? And now with your top
options sidelined Week twelve.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Man, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna start kind of
at the start. Anybody who spits on anybody has what's
coming to them, you know what I mean. Like, it's
just I I don't I don't get it. I've I've
never understood it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I
get it from this standpoint. If you want to disrespect
somebody in one of the most egregious ways, I mean,
(48:27):
that's that's pretty that's pretty high up the list. You know,
if we're talking about one on one, like what can
I do to you and not to those you love?
Like just me against you? What can I do to
you to show you ultimately that I have zero respect
for you? Go ahead and do that to me? I agree.
One hund with what Mike Tomlins said at the podium.
(48:50):
He can't. He obviously will get fined himself if he
advocates for violence. But you're playing a violent game in
a gladiatorial sport amongst al for men, You're gonna get
what's coming to you. And here's your problem. If you're
Jamar Chase, your divisional rival, you think that just goes away.
You think you think like you think this is over. No,
(49:15):
it's not over. So kind of a kind of a
dumb move. It kinda I mean more than a dumb
move obviously with the you you tally the game, check
the suspension, harming your team's success, you know, whatever success
they'd have, you know, and then obviously you know your
reputation whatever hit that takes. Man oh man. Also, you're
(49:36):
just kind of putting your own safety on the line
because how many times have we seen, especially between the
Cincinnati Bengals and Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, grudges be held.
Do you remember that Vontes Berg Tony Brown.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Right, Yeah, that's the name that comes up immediately. Yeah, yeah,
just plenty of those instances. And we look at Antoni
Brown and obviously he's facing some really difficult. Self induced
circumstances here, no question, but you know some of it
(50:11):
people keep trying to wonder if it didn't come back
from initially that hit.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is the the problem.
When you play a kid's game, like a kid in
a man's league, you will you will put a target
on your back. You know. If there's one thing that
you know is true of even war, is there are rules, right,
(50:40):
you know we've agreed to long ago, Like there are
certain things even international conflicts amongst the hottest of rivals,
you just don't do you know, you're not gassing populations,
buying large civilians should be protected like there are there
are rules, members of the press, whatever it may be.
That's the same thing in football now obviously the stakes
(51:02):
are much lower. You know, there's nobody dying there on
bombs going off, nobody's ducking under rubble or bunkers to
avoid you know, what could be their destiny waiting in
front of them. And the warfighters who go to fight
for this country are some of the bravest men and
women on the planet, and thank God every day for them.
(51:22):
But getting back to the comparison in football, even though
it seems lawless at times, even though you can play
up until the echo of the whistle, even though you
can throw punches, and you can grab somebody by the neck,
and you can throw an elbow into a gut, or
you can cheap cheap shot somebody under a pile. Like
all those things, they don't overall break any rules, unwritten
(51:47):
or otherwise. You may bend a few by doing some
of those things I just mentioned, But Chase, he broke
a rule. You know, this is all fairs in love
and war, except when you take it too far. And
took it too far, and unfortunately, the the outcome of
those type of actions is that gets sorted out between
friends in locker rooms and then out on the field
(52:09):
on Sunday. So next time the Steelers see the Bengals, unfortunately,
he's gonna have to watch out for himself because there's
just no excuse for that kind of behavior.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Little extra coming back and thinking you're getting away with
it in today's day and age, where the cameras from
the guy sitting in the three hundred level are going
to pick up anything like that, let alone the HD
cameras that are aligning the field of Miller to boast
a whole other thing. You know, you got you got
deep on me there, and I started, you know, getting
you know, those those fields of the patriotism and everything.
(52:42):
Whereas initially in my mind I was just going back
to Anchorman, not the face, not the face, to your
San Diego residence down there. But I mean, take me
back to your your playing career, right, you play at
Penn State, You're highly competitive, you know, well accomplished, and
then six years in the National Football League. Anything you
(53:03):
want to, you know, get dispensation for, like I'm a
priest here on national airwaves of things you may have
done in a pile or things that were committed against you.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah, I I did certain things, you know, unspeakable things
that I wish I didn't have to own up to.
But Father Harmon, I guess I will right here and
right now. I used to spoil movies for people on
the field.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
You miserable. Hey, have you seen this yet?
Speaker 4 (53:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Guess what happened. They're all already dead. Yeah, is dead?
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
All of those family nights that they were gonna have
with their kids.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
All dogs go to heaven. Well, guess what one does
for sure? It's just I feel terrible. I know by
the way in when you're at it. We should have
we should have led off this whole part of the
conversation with spoiler alert. Sorry real quick.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, buddy, we have as many points as Lebron does tonight.
Oh my gosh combined. Oh my gosh, all four of us,
five of us not go in there too. Yeah, there
you go.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
Not good.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Not good.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
DeAndre playing low post tonight. I have a feeling we
may pass Ole Brown.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Okay, there you go. We'll feed him inside, no question
about it. At Ornberger where you find him in the twitterverse,
find me over at Swollen Dome. Coming up next to
the curious case of Lane Kiffen, the most sought after
coach in the land. He does protest, perhaps a bit
too much for my liking. What does doctor Rich say?
We'll tell you next here on Fox Sports Radio.
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you'd straight out of a Star Wars movie with us
tonight in his stead years in the National Football League,
long time voice here on the weekends here Fox Sports Radio,
and we're always pleased when he joins us. It's doctor
rich Hornberg. You hear him down in San Diego each
and every day. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Brother, The doctor is in. I made it. I've journeyed
far and wide, well actually really just over the to
the spare bedroom, to broadcast See Alive, and all over
the nation. As you mentioned all those affiliates. We're glad
that you're with us tonight. And even though Jason's not here,
I'm gonna do my best to bang the drum for
(01:31):
the Jets and Jason Fields and gosh, I mean they
are just.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, we don't need any more Justin Fields talk. It's
a final no, okay, all right, fair enough, and he's
been deposed. We established that yesterday that the era of
Justin Fields as a starter with the New York Football
Jets are really seemingly anywhere should be done. So congratulations
on a job done, and God bless he walked away
(01:58):
with an awful lot of cheddar for the effort that
he put forth.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
This is what I'll say about Justin Fields. You know, look,
I think that it is really hard to be a
quarterback in the NFL and both observing the game now
as a fan like everyone else, in an analyst and
during my time playing. When you share the rooms with
those guys, you realize you got to be built different
(02:25):
to handle the stress and the strain of facing the
media for every little thing. I mean, and the bigger
the spotlight, the harder it is to operate. I mean,
they even break down how Patrick Mahomes walks. There are
like tiktoks and Instagram reels just highlighting how goofy he
looks when he walks, when he walks Mike, I mean,
(02:47):
like everything is under scrutiny. So it's just one of
those things where heavy is the head that wears a crown.
Like you said, he's a very rich man and a
lot of people have a hard time, you know, crying
big boohoo tears for millionaires who get to play a
kids game for King Ransom. But but I will say
it's really hard y. Just because it hasn't worked out
(03:08):
for a couple of teams for a couple of years
doesn't mean we haven't seen his best yet. Just look
at Gino Smith with the Seahawks when he had his
re emergence. It hasn't held. But look at Sam Darnold
his re emergence with the Vikings. He's made the Seahawks
better since he's been there, you know, So I'm I
guess I'm gonna say it looks like it could be
(03:30):
over for Justin Fields. It may certainly be over for
him in New York, but I'm not ready to write
off any quarterbacks in today's NFL because we've seen a
lot of second and third acts to careers where we
thought they were dead in the water.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's one of the things we talk about quite a
bit on the show Rich the opportunity, the circumstances to
where you're drafted and later to the opportunities you get
coaching staffs, and the fact that it's a veritable merrigal
round seemingly with all but about five franchises. Right They
put up the graphic with the the Raider game, which
(04:04):
ties us directly back to Gino Smith, who was very
u I don't want to say, despondent, defiant, whatever the
term you would be, with his postgame comments kind of
talking about the EBB and flow of where they're at
offensively and play calling and everything else. But they had
the graphic up there. You know, Pete Carroll's the fifth
coach since twenty twenty, and there were three other teams
(04:26):
that were on that graphic with them, right, So I mean,
just talking about the merry go round, not to mention
the coordinator thing. I mean, whenever we get into discussions
about Jalen Hurts, you know, you'd be remiss to not
bring up the fact that he's had a different coordinator
or quarterback coach or both pretty much every year of
his professional and collegiate life. So you know, the messaging
(04:49):
is going to be different, the terminology, the play calling, philosophy,
all of that stuff. So quarterback position again, with injuries
this week, we're already into the mid fifties. I think
think in terms of how many different guys have started
a game, that's how that's how crazy is it? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah? And I think part of that is obviously there's
always injuries, and we saw a rash of injuries at
the quarterback position, Penix and Gabriel and you know, Aaron
Rodgers went down like you know there. You know, some
will be back soon. It sounds like maybe Rogers was
going to suit up or try to suit up for
next Sunday's game, and some it'll take some time. But yeah,
that's part of the the you know, the dialogue Brock
(05:28):
was hurt for a while out in forty nine Land
for a little while. But also I think there's a
shorter leash and a quicker hook with a lot of
these staffs because they realize that the hourglass is running
out for them too. So if things aren't working, we
know how quick owners are to dismiss head coaches now,
(05:50):
and so they go to the understudy quicker these days
than ever before. Long since have passed the days where
you'll let a quarterback toil out there for years and
finally figure it out year three, like, oh, yeah, you know,
it took him a couple of seasons, but it's really
starting to click here. No, no, no, no no, because wins
(06:13):
overall are the only thing that ownership groups care about
these days, and if you don't have them, you are
not long for the job of head coach in this league.
And if you don't protect yourself from losing that job,
you're not going to establish any player, let alone a quarterback.
So yeah, it doesn't shock me, Mike with that number
you give, but over fifty quarterbacks at this point in
(06:34):
the season, I mean it's a lot, that's a lot
of starters.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, I mean we're just talking two three here and there.
I mean we're talking about the Browns moving on and
probably Sanders under center this week. So all of those things,
you know, that come to bear. But you know, we
talk about the where we're at in terms of coaches tenure.
I mean, you watched it with with Brian Dable. Now
you knew you'd see Jackson Dart sooner rather than later.
Just they traded back up to get him. Then Russell
(06:59):
Wilson was well what Russell Wilson has become. But all
in all, it became the all right, this also becomes
the this potentially gives me a life raft to extend
my time in this job. And unfortunately the way he
handled Jackson Dart, the fact that they continue to lose
obviously helps nothing in that regard. But the fact that
(07:21):
Jackson Dart found himself in the medical tent week after
week you had the embarrassing thing of running into said
medical tent. All of that, you know, just piled up
to where Maren and Shane Jane had to show that
he still deserved his suit and is suite at the
end of the hallway, so he had to make that
move as well. So we're just in that strange time
(07:42):
in the National Football League going into Week twelve, four
teams on by, but so many guys that we do
the laundry list, like the end of the cable movie
right where they're starting the new one. So the credits
roll at about three times the speed and it's a
lot of names. That's where we're at in the NFL.
If you go team by team on their injury reports.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, that's such a good comparison. And it's true, like
you know, it whizzes by the screen because it's a
mile long, and yeah, you know, look, it's what have
you done for me lately? League? Like, all of a sudden,
the Chiefs, who you know are going to welcome in
the Colts off of bye, who have been great this season,
you know that they've got to be shaken in their
boots a little bit, even though Arrowhead has been a
(08:25):
house of horrors for AFC teams. You know, if you
drop to five and six, especially in kind of a
crowded bottom of the wild card in that conference, man,
you know, all of a sudden, you got some problems.
I mean, especially with Baltimore at a five hundred record,
playing the way they are, you know, I'm not saying
Andy Reid is anywhere near losing his job. He's not,
(08:49):
And I certainly wouldn't say that for John Harbaugh, especially
since Lamar's come back. And you can see sort of
the you know, the the sigh of relief from Baltimore fans,
especially after a win, a demonstrative win this past weekend.
But there there are those those feelings of when things
are going wrong for even a franchise that has had
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sustained and continued success, there are those feelings of, ooh,
we've all been waiting for the other shoe to drop.
We knew that the end of the era was coming soon.
Maybe it's arrived. And then we also know how loyal
ownership groups can be when the good stops being so good,
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you know, all of a sudden, the honeymoon phase is
over all. The winning drives up a little bit, the
fans start booing from the stands in the third quarter,
in the fourth quarter at home, and there's that tinge
of embarrassment. You know, it's it's it's interesting where we're
at in the NFL, but it's uh, it's the most
wonderful time of the year. As soon as you start
smelling Thanksgiving Turkey, Mike, you really start seeing who's the
(09:55):
cream of the crop and you can start weeding out
the dregs of the league.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Fun.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Just to put it in perspective from the AFC, the
Chiefs are still plus seventy three in point differential, that's
third in the conference for their five and five record
to this point. Some close losses and all those one
possession losses which has become the hallmark of their squad right,
winning ugly and finishing the job this week Denver the
(10:21):
latest example of an opportunity to go get them resplendent
in those throwback uniforms of course, where we celebrate those
all the time, but the inability to push them all downfield.
I would love to circle back to the Lamar Jackson
for a second. The fact that Mark Andrews has to
be used as your your short yardage guy because Derrick
Henry can't do it, and you've got him doing a
(10:44):
pivot rollout. I mean, you ever think about doing one
of those moves back in your playing days. I'm in
one of those.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Hey watch me do this reverse pivot and get to
the edge. I mean, my goodness, it was I love
that plan. So if you can't beat him, join them.
Let's start there. The Jalen Hurts tush push dilemma that
the Eagles put the entirety of the league in led
to an ownership vote that did not get passed to
(11:13):
ban the play. So what's happened in reaction, Well, exactly
what you thought would happen. A bunch of teams practiced
really hard this offseason the play that they couldn't get banned,
and so the Buffalo Bills, a team that voted against it,
the Ravens, a team that voted against it and wanted
it banned from the league. They're both employing the tush
push this year. There's a lot of teams that have
(11:33):
changed heart over this play, and the Ravens have taken
it to a new level because now they're running some trickeration.
You have a backfield where Mark Andrews is your quarterback
under center, you have Lamar back there, you have Derrick Henry,
and you have a play like you drew up last Sunday,
where Lamar and Derrick Henry go one way, and then
you have a reverse pivot from the quarterback who's supposed
(11:56):
to be the tush push or so to speak, and
he rolls out with a lead block from a fullback
in front of him to the right side. Literally nobody
was home. He was in a foot race with the skycam. Yeah,
and guess what he won. And it was just a
beautifully designed and beautifully executed play.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, anytime we could actually get a mention of a
full back into an NFL play, we get excited around
these parts. Ricard with the big block.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The bigger thing is also just the curiosity of Lamar
going forward where he is health wise, because the explosiveness
with his legs doesn't seem to be there, which may
be a limiting factor as we go forward, but certainly
something to watch. But they're on a nice winning streak
and the schedule opens for them quite nicely. So AFC
is going to be a jumbled mess. And for Kansas
(12:45):
City haters, all those folks that hate Love and Taylor
Swift and Travis Kelsey who didn't talk to the media
after the latest loss, it's all good for you because, well,
you got a month and a half of the holidays
to annoy your family if their chiefs with your hatred thereof,
And we always like to see someone new rise up
and mean we do. I mean, you remember the Patriots.
(13:07):
You watched it live and in living color. How things
suddenly turned on you. You went from being cute and
codle to we're tired of these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, people, people very quickly. Look, you know, the Patriots
for a long time were kind of lovable losers of
the NFL. No, you know, they were in no one's way.
They were an easy win for a lot of AFC
teams and really a lot of the AFC East. And
then that all changed when Kraft bought the team, hired
Bill Belichick. The rest is history. But even even the
(13:39):
Patriots are more palatable now about a handful of years
departed from the Brady Belichick eras with rabel who, by
the way, is fresh off of that Belichick tree, and
Drake May, Drake May. It just feels different, it feels new.
It feels okay to maybe root for the Patriots a
little bit now, whereas if you go rewind the clock
(14:01):
a half decade ago, nobody wanted the Patriots to win.
But that's the thing in the NFL. You have a
target on your back once you achieve sustained effect or success,
and it's happening with the Eagles, It's obviously already happened
with the Kansas City Chiefs. And even though the Lions
(14:21):
have been a down and out franchise for years and
years and years, if you fast forward the clock three
years from now, and the Lions are making the postseason constantly,
and they're making championship games constantly, and dare I say,
get to a Super Bowl or even win one. People
will tire of the Honolulu Blue too. It's just the
way fandom goes league wide in all these leagues. You know,
(14:46):
the Dodgers are feeling it now, it'll be who knows
the Yankees again? Soon here, it'll be the Mets maybe
one day, if they can ever get out of their
own way. Yeah, I just.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
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Speaker 4 (15:01):
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in from a prospecting, wagering investing. He was investing with
Giant Italises and such. Today is the forty second anniversary
of the release to me of one of the most
overrated films of all time. A Christmas story almost as
many years ago, Lebron James made his NBA debut. Okay,
it's only twenty three, but he gets back on the
(17:36):
court tonight. He took to the fun and exciting of
the world of the media yesterday to shied everybody who
had been calling him old and making fun of his sciatica.
I hope you never get it. I hope you never
get because waiting for a little guy to pop up
with a violin to play behind him. But he makes
his return tonight, rich after missing the open to this season,
(18:00):
season twenty three again just a New World Order, part
Cyborg and all of those things that we joke about.
Lakers have been one of the fun surprises to the
early part of this NBA campaign. Now in the middle
of this road trip, but ten and four on the year,
fourth in the Western Conference, great minutes parsed out, even
(18:20):
missing some Luka Doncia's time. You've had other guys step
up and they've had a really good rotation. And now
we get to sit back with our popcorn as this
unfolds and a big matchup against the Utah Jazz, the
plucky Utah jazz. How about that. That's the term I'll
use for them here to see if that disrupts the
apple cart and creates some chaos for JJ Redick.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah. So my take on Lebron being added to this
lineup is there's two sides to this coin. I'm gonna
go with all the positives. First, Lebron James even what
twenty three years, twenty three plus years, I mean I've
lost count twenty three league.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Is still one of the most dominant players on the planet,
like worthy of double teams at times. I mean, if
he catches the hot hand, what do you do? You know,
you slide defense his way, you get help, principles in
the lane. He is one of the best athletes on
the planet. At forty one years of age, still can
do all the things it appears he could do in
(19:25):
his twenties. You know, there's an ageless sentiment to him,
very similar to Tom Brady. How like a fine wine.
He sort of aged well, went down to Tampa Bay
in his forties and put up career numbers and won
a Super Bowl for them. The first year out of
New England. Lebron James with the Lakers obvious already has
(19:45):
won a championship. This guy, he's special. Having said that,
what's happening with the Lakers right now, with Luca and
this upstart group and this starting five they've assembled in
his stead, it has also been special. And so there's
this feeling of what is gonna happen here? Is there
(20:07):
gonna be all of a sudden, a very large and
insanely talented yet a little rusty fly in the ointment
where all of the fun that the kids were having,
or the mice we're having while the cat was away,
whatever analogy or metaphor you want to use, is it
all gonna go away now? So I know that sounds
(20:28):
like I'm speaking out of two sides of my mouth,
but we really don't know what we're about to see.
It could it could be somewhere you know that swings
toward the positive where it's a plus ad just like
it's always been. You add Lebron to the lineup and
it's like stirring, you know, nest quick in a glass
of milk. It makes it better. Uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
We can all get behind yeah, or who knows?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I mean, maybe he jumps in and things start going
wrong and there's a bunch of finger pointing, but everybody
obviously knows what the big difference is, you know, or
could land somewhere in between. What's your read on this situation?
If you had to choose a side, where do you think?
Where do you think this goes from here?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I think it's awkward off the jump, for the fact
that a lot of the guys who've been getting pretty
heavy rotation minutes have to go back and find their
roles again, right to where maybe they got a few
minutes to warm up before they needed to take a
shot or make a meaningful play because they were getting
fifteen minutes, Well, suddenly they're down to eight or ten,
(21:33):
and the touches are different, the rotations are different, how
the spacing on the floor is will change, and then
how much ball stopping do we get from either side? Right,
we watched it last year. Sometimes it worked really well
together right for a lot of the season, But then
there were certainly parts of games where Lebron's ball dominant
(21:58):
and Luca's just kind of standing over on the side,
just staring at him or vice versa and waiting for
however the play was gonna break down, right, it becomes
the one on one get to the whole kind of situation.
You've gotten great minutes from eighton and Marcus Smart, two
veterans getting after For DeAndre Ayton, remember his season debut,
(22:18):
the poison bends were already out. Instead, he's a guy
now averaging thirty minutes a game, sixteen points and eight boards.
Lebron last year was a twenty four to eight and
eight guy. So you're hoping to PLoP something like that in.
But for la Ravia gave Vincent back in tonight, Dalton
connect and guys all the way on that part of
(22:41):
the extreme, like how much does being relegated to fewer
minutes and a shorter rotation perhaps affect how they get
that buy in and flow that they've managed so well
in the early going.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah, well, you know it does help when the guy
who's coming into minutes as Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, No, that's I mean psychologically sure, but it you know,
it's still the all right, I'm not touching the ball
and I may not be seeing a court nearly as
much as I was where we're not you know, playing
matchups and whatever the same way. So for JJ Reddick,
I think it's an interesting an interesting balance here, you know.
(23:21):
And also how many minutes are we expecting off the jump?
I have no idea, right, you know, we had the
the odds went up for the the old Hey, Lebron
always scores ten in a game. Let me see if
I can find those right quick, because I saw that
graphic pop up, which was kind of funny because they
grabbed about as ridiculous an image of Lebron to reinforce
(23:44):
that as they could, one of those big if you
overlaid the grinch, I mean, that was the kind of
grin he had in the moment. Let's see, it was
Lebron to score ten or more points minus four thousand,
score fewer than ten points sixteen to one. Yeah, yeah,
just the expectation. He comes in and he's going to
(24:05):
play his minutes, a lot of pregame shoot around. I'm
curious what's on his playlist as he's going through his motions.
But I don't know. It's exciting for the NBA. You've
lost so many guys to injury. We've already seen a
laundry list of stars from Wemba Yama and John Morant,
Anthony Davis, the old Laker, I mean, and we've we've
(24:27):
watched all of the reports out of there, Dico Harrison
got himself fired already, you know, all all of those
things that have flown through. But the Kawhi Leonard missing time,
no big shock. But when you talk about star power,
Giannis is now going to miss time because of a
groin injury. NBA needs Lebron James back right now as
we hit the holidays.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, and shout out to Nika Harrison. You's snuck
in a call out. Yeah, I mean easily the MVP
of the Lakers this season. I mean, he's really who
helped assemble all this you were I was joking with Frostburg,
he was like, which Kobe statue do you think they're
gonna take down for Nico's statue? You know? And how
(25:10):
many how many championships will he be awarded in in
Los Angeles? You know, here's the thing. Yeah, Doncic is special,
and Lebron is special, and the way Reeves has stepped
up as special and some of the minutes that we're
seeing really quality minutes from eight and you know what
I think we're going to see And I don't want
(25:30):
to do. I don't want to do something that you know,
Lakers fans will be plenty happy to if they demolished
the Jazz and Lebron plays, you know, even insignificant minutes,
but looks good, looks healthy, They're gonna be There's gonna
be plenty of Laker ball washing, but I think they're
gonna be just fine. I think that this, come the
(25:53):
end of what is a very very long regular season,
is going to look like a blip on the raid
are Oh do you remember when you know Lebron was
heard early in the season, gosh, doesn't he look great again?
And man, maybe that was the best thing for the
Lakers to happen, was him go out of the lineup
for a little bit and all these guys around Lebron
(26:14):
to start believing himself and college gee Jj Reddick is
just such a great coach. I can already see the
headlines being written. And it's going to be much to
the nausea of the rest of the basketball watching public
because most people don't want or root for Lakers' success.
But I think that's where this is heading.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I just want to be relevant, you know, come
Game eighty and in the mix and healthy and with
those two guys on the court and maybe Austin Reeves
continues to become a little bit of one of those
you know, little engine that could you know, success stories
that folks love so much.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, and I think it's all gonna work out in
the end. Here here's what I will say in the
short term if it doesn't, okay, because I want to
swing the pendulum the other way and play Devil's advocate
because it's more fun that way.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Absolutely, this is what I think will happen. Look, everybody
has strong allegiances until until they don't. And we've seen
this many times with Lebron James, Like when there needs
to be somebody holding the bag for him publicly for
whatever's wrong with the team, he'll find someone to go
(27:25):
ahead and take out the trash. And whether they're a
willing participant or not. How many teammates have we seen
all of a sudden be at the center of, you know,
a scuttle butt of some sort where they're getting blamed.
Lebron is you know, Scott Free In the meantime, I
think where this might go is potentially and I don't
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know how it's going to be worded, whether it's how
many minutes players are getting or the rotation, You're gonna
start hearing sourced reports about JJ Reddick and how he's
mishandling this roster. That's where I think it goes. If
Lebron struggles out the gates, if the team struggles with
him being sort of implemented into the lineup after being
(28:11):
out for so long and the chemistry being so good,
if it's a herky jerky month here, say for the Lakers,
which in the grand scheme of things isn't very long,
but people can lose their mind over a month, I
think you're going to start seeing a lot of people
make the probably correct assumption that the biggest issue is
they're having a hard time readjusting to Lebron being in
(28:33):
the lineup, And what you're going to see is the
counter attack from his PR camp and clutch media and
all of the folks that surround him in his orbit,
sourcing reports about how JJ Reddick is mishandling this roster.
And because somebody's got to hold the back, Oh sure,
it is going to be the key So so who yeah,
(28:54):
so who's going to be the fall guy? And I
have a feeling it's going to be the head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Rich What if I were to tell you Lebron just
got boot and warm.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Ups not completely shocked people at home after a five
game road actually didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But it's believable, right.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, it is believable. You know what I would say,
I would say both are likely. I don't know what's
more likely, but both are likely. He gets boot or
he gets cheered for in warm ups.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Good, be no question about it.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
That's how fickle the LA market can be.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
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coming up next, and that makes the perfect time to
sign it over to the news desk to our guy,
A man's man, A man of information. It's steve to say,
(30:10):
and a good evening to you of somebody. We start
with the NFL.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
As Bengals star wide receiver Jamar Chase is out this
weekend as one game suspension was upheld tonight. Texans quarterback
c J. Stroud with his concussion. We'll miss a third
straight game this Thursday against the Bills. Quarterback Davis Mills
will start again for Houston. Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will
not need surgery on his broken left wrist. He will
not practice Wednesday, but reportedly he is pushing to play
(30:37):
Sunday at Chicago. Pittsburgh is optimistic the running back Jalen
Warren will play despite an ankle injury. Steelers defensive back
Darius Slay is still in concussion protocol. Titans wide receiver
Calvin Ridley was placed on injured reserve with a broken leg.
Cardinals running back a Mari de Mercado is likely out
this weekend with a high ankle spring well. The new
(30:57):
college football playoff rankings are out this evening. The top
three stayed the same with number one Ohio State in
Indiana and Texas A and M. Georgia now number four.
Oklahoma up to number eight in the country, then number
nine Notre Dame, and number ten Alabama. Sobama would just
barely make the playoff at this point. Not making the
playoff at this point number eleven BYU or number twelve
(31:20):
Utah because number thirteen Miami would be in if it's
the ACC champion. Also in would be TWU Lane at
number twenty four in the country. Tulane would be the
best of the so called group of five teams. As
of now. The matchups would be Alabama in a first
round game at Oregon, and next month it would be
(31:41):
Notre Dame at Oklahoma in the first round. The top
four would get first round bys. College football selection Sunday
is December the seventh. There's a doubleheader of college basketball
tonight at Madison Square Garden. Already at a top twenty matchup,
Michigan State rold Kentucky eighty three to sixty six. Number
five Duke leads hans Is sixty to fifty three with
(32:02):
under ten minutes to go. In the NBA, the Spurs
won one eleven one oh one over Memphis de Aaron
Fox with twenty six points. Victor wemen Yama is out
with a strained calf, and the Spurs Defon Castle with
a strained hip, will be reevaluated in one to two weeks.
He was Rookie of the Year last season. Milwaukee's Giannis
Antennacumpo could miss up to two weeks with a strain groin.
(32:24):
Lebron James of La is making his season debut tonight
after a bad back. The Lakers at ten and four
about to tip off hosting the Utah Jazz. There is
a game later than that in a half an hour,
Phoenix at Portland. Memphis, by the way, had lost four
in a row going into its l at San Antonio tonight,
but Detroit has won eleven in a row after a
(32:45):
victory at Atlanta one twenty to one. Twelve victories for
Boston and Orlando among the NHL games, eight of them tonight.
Islanders now have a three to two lead in the
final seconds at Dallas Tampa Bay a five to one
winner over New Jersey. That's your Show to Imanaga accepted
a qualifying offer to stay with the Cubs. Spain and
Belgium among those earning spots in next summer's World Cup,
(33:08):
and US Men's soccer had its final game this year,
winning an exhibition in Tampa five to one over Uruguay.
The Americans led three nothing after about thirty minutes and
four nothing late in the first half.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Back to you, thanks so much, Steve. As we continue
here from the Fox Sports Radio studios, Mike Carvin alongside
Rich Ornberger. At Ornberger where you find him, O h
R N ask Dr gr that's right, Ask Rich. It's
not become the drop because of the Rich Samini fun
back and forth Aaron Glenn when he got all indignant
(33:41):
a week ago. So it's your name and you get
spotlighted a lot, Ask Rich. Ask Rich, it's not a
bad way. I don't have an answer much. Ask Rich.
You may not have any idea what we're talking about,
but ask him.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, please do any questions our fair game.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Honestly, well you are the doctor at Orberger if you
have those questions. But coming up next, as we heard
in the update, the new college football playoff rankings and
first round projected matchups are out. A number twenty four
is part of the mix that gets people with their
handwringing going. We'll see what the explanations are this week,
(34:24):
because last week it was all about how the eye
test looked and style points. Did that hold for another week?
We'll talk.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 3 (34:39):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show. Well
with me, Mike Garman. No Jason Smith tonight it instead,
we got our guy Rich Ornberger in with us hey.
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Com the way tire buying should be. As we surmise,
perhaps a bit of awkwardness reacquaintance kind of moments here
for the Los Angeles Lakers as they're kind of standing
around reintroducing themselves to each other. Is Utah's jumped out
to a sixteen to six lead on midway through the
(35:22):
first for the Lakers. They got two shots up in
the first three minutes of an NBA game in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, and are in our world. This is what you
would call not working. But again again, like I mean,
we're talking about Q one of the very first game
that Lebron is on the foe the shows now minit Hornberger, Yeah, yeah,
I know that's true. But still, I mean, we're not
(35:52):
even all the way halfway through the first quarter, and
I asked Frostburg, I'm like, do you think they sho
you call it like a season? Do you think it's over?
And Hugh was like, now, come on, come on, there's
still time.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
He's gonna send me that greasy guy as soon as
they draw even there's a gift that he sends me,
the guy mouthing the word Nakers with his big fake
gold chain on. So we'll see that, I'm sure later
on as we go. Lebron in the early going over
one took a three point shot, and we'll see as
this game continues the fluidity and how the rotations work,
(36:28):
but certainly a curiosity. One more game on the slate,
the eight pm Peacock game that'll come up that has
everybody also wringing their hands because of well it's eleven
o'clock East Coast time before you get a tip off,
so some of that saltiness that rolls through. But earlier
this evening we got the latest iteration of the college
football rankings rich for the college football playoffs up the top.
(36:54):
You know, we get this the usual suspects stated in
one through three. So that's all fine. Alabama after losing
to Oklahoma. So now you've got number four Georgia. It
jumps up Texas Tech sitting at number five. A week ago,
we were listening to the committee talk about style points
and oh they settled for too many field goals for
(37:14):
their liking. So it felt like we were back in
the Spurrier and Bowden days with some of the commentary
that they had last week. This week a lot centering
on Mario Christobal, where we've got Miami at thirteen, but
they jump into the back end of the playoff grid
as we sit here today, and you've got the head
(37:36):
to head win over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame's two
losses come into ranked teams versus Miami losing to SMU
and Louisville. So plenty of football to be played to
sort this all out. But the politicking goes on as
soon as the numbers hit the sheets.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's no question about it. I mean, look,
I think some of the broad sweeps and strokes you
can make looking at this CFP. I mean, first and foremost,
what I'll say is, I mean not as many SEC
teams looking as dangerous as they did to start the season. Sure,
(38:19):
I mean, that's that's one of the things that sticks
out in my mind. I mean, you know, I'm looking
at the twelve teams that would be invited into the postseason.
It's like, hey, where are you Texas. Wasn't everybody where
are you? You know, it wasn't everybody really excited about
you know, It's like, we don't know, you never know.
(38:40):
You know, you start the season with all these bold proclamations,
and I'll give you another one that's kind of rattling
around in my brain, like, I don't think that the
teams emerging from the Big Ten are nearly as battle
tested as the teams emerging from what has become an
extremely contentious se See. You know, so Ohio State's sitting
(39:02):
pretty if you start to really investigate their strength of schedule,
I mean, you can make some arguments and I'm not
going to call them overrated. But my co host on
Countdown over the weekends, Brian No, he'd make that argument
right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
And a lot of that comes from his Notre Dame base,
from growing up Indian.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
So yeah, there's no question about it there his his
colors don't run and you know his gold Yeah yeah,
but but but you know, look, I mean, if you
are going to do some further deeper investigation into Ohio STATEA,
I wouldn't call them frauds, not by a long shot.
But there are some people who are eager to Indiana.
(39:45):
Are we thinking that they're going to survive well against
the strength of the SEC? I don't know, but I'm
I'm not completely commenced Oregon to me eyeball test wise.
They've got some really special playmakers around a very young,
untested quarterback who's had a brilliant season, But do they
(40:06):
look like Oregon of last year. There's some question marks
around the Big Ten and so look, this list will change.
We know there are gonna be more upsets this season.
If there's one thing you can guarantee week to week
is more upsets in college football.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, I think one of the big things when we
go through you got on the play, what's on the schedule,
and until we get to a super conference crossover, you know,
kill a crossover event or everybody realizes you know where
the next big pot of gold is, which is more
Big Ten in SEC battles, that this is where we're
(40:41):
gonna get.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
We go through the regular season and there's always gonna
be haves and have nots, and it becomes the question
of do you do you then have relegation. Fortunately, my
Northwestern squad is good enough this year that they wouldn't
be there. But you know, we'll get to another Big
Ten topic as the show goes on. But it's just that, Rich,
you play the schedule, and then if you go into
(41:03):
the postseason. Once upon a time, it was the bowl season, right,
and you'd have guys teams roll through say the Big
Ten or another conference, and then they'd go up against
the teams of the SEC, which were better athletes and
better speed at the wide receiver position, better cornerbacks, and
you were right back. It's just twenty years later. Not
(41:25):
much has changed in that regard. He's Rich orn Berger
on Mike Carmon here Fox Sports Radio. As we continue
a little more back to the National Football League finders.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
So if that's my physical I could get out there
and look, I don't want to. I don't want to
under estimate or pretend like what these offensive linemen are
asked to do at the NFL level is easy by
any stretch. It's a lonely feeling when a team knows
that they've got your number up front and they can
(41:58):
start picking you apart with and getting you know, one
on one blocks. That was a rough game against the
Jacksonville Jaguars. That was a tough loss for the Chargers,
especially when you look at a down year for the Chiefs.
An opportunity to pounds and you know Denver winning close
ones left and right, you kind of feel like his
others you're gonna drop, you know. It's just a man,
(42:22):
what a squandered opportunity. And it all came down to
those two major injuries between Alt and Slater.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
We've talked about it a lot, the the problems from
the training room. They went away for a year and
here they circle right back right. It's one of those
things with the Chargers, with the Ravens, we've chronicled probably
the last half decade plus where they've lost an an
ordinate number of starts to injury. So it hits again
(42:50):
with those two big players, Slater and all on the
offensive line and the trickle down effect. They're in with
the squad. You also hear rich as part of the
San Diego State football five and one, eight and two overall,
first in the Mountain West Conference. One of your many
hats that you.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Wear, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, they sit alone atop the
Mountain West. You know, a group of five masterpiece is
what this overall season has looked like. They've had a
couple of losses and tough ones on the road. They
lost a Washington State against the Cougars in Pullman on
the Poloose out there. They they they just they squandered
(43:30):
what looked like a good and fast start to losing
kind of the middle eight minutes of that game and
never got it back. And then they got beat soundly
on the Hawaiian Islands against the University of Hawaii. That
was their first ragn date. They just beat Boise State
in the driving rain in San Diego. Through most of
the game. It was kind of spotty in the second half,
but the run game wasn't. They only threw They threw
(43:54):
for less than twenty yards and they won a game
by ten points.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
It's one of those scatemy kind of games, is what
it looked like. It sounded like got to hear a
little bit. I was in the car for a bunch
of that one, and I listened to our Chargers brethren
Sprosburg and Matt money Smith and Daniel Jeremiah on that one. So,
you know, different excitement levels of course, but the driving
(44:19):
rain really taking some of the juice out of what
we're doing. There's another run play and another run play.
But hey, it's effective football, right, it's winning football.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
That's right. Yeah. Look, you know, and I give a
lot of credits offensive coordinators in general, who, in whatever
it is, face with adversity or or not, you know,
just finding what works in a singular moment, in a
singular game, sticking to it. Like, there are so many
offensive coordinators who can't get out of their own way
(44:51):
where they're calling places from the sideline because they're on
the call sheet. You know, it's like, well, we got
to use them because we practiced them this week. Well,
what's wrong with just run in the plays that work?
You know, what's wrong with dominating people and blowing people
off the wall play after play after play in the
run game, and if that proves to be effective and
(45:11):
they don't have an effective answer, to that proven concept,
just going back to it and going back to it
and going back to it. And you know, we saw
a lot of that Saturday, fortunately for San Diego State
and my squad out here in San Diego, and then
unfortunately my old squad the Los Angeles Chargers on the
road in Jacksonville. It was kind of like the shoe
(45:33):
was on the other foot Jacksonville who just found the
key to success against the Chargers, which is, you know,
just I mean, take runs at Justin Herbert, get his
cage rattled early and he started to come unwound a
little bit down the stretch of that game.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, and then you saw the run game with ETN
and Toot and doing their thing. Trevor Lawrence for a while.
He just had perfected that two step to just get
the ball into their gut. So as we float through,
we'll talk more NFL in just a moment, because you
want to see what the cost of an egregious offensive
act is. One NFL player found out as a suspension
(46:12):
got held up. We'll tell you what it cost him.
But first a quick update. The Lakers at home down
nine to the Utah jazz lebron James I Oh for
one in his seven minutes played in that first quarter,
So we'll keep an eye on that. Your leading score
was Heantay George with thirteen for the Lakers, Luca nine
(46:35):
points on three of seven shooting. Now in the Pittsburgh
Steelers and Cincinnati Bengals game, a very publicized act, you know,
a disgusting act to steal from Joe Buck all those
years ago at that Randy Moss celebration. But you know,
we've seen the proliferation an epidemic, as it were, of
(46:55):
spitting across the National Football League, and here you had
Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase getting after it. Mike Tomlin
was asked, you know, hey, if your guys in the middle,
I like, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I have no message of someone spits in your face.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You do what comes natural, and.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
There you have it, right, get yourself thrown out. But look,
your instincts are gonna take out because it's about as disrespectful.
I mean, I don't know what's what would be worse. Right,
we talk about sucker punches and all the other stuff
that we see on a field, but spitting as bad
as it gets. Want a guess with the game, check
and fine and everything totaled for Jamar Chase?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah, what did that all add up to?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Being five hundred and seven thousand dollars?
Speaker 4 (47:41):
That's an expensive mistake.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Very and the suspended for a game, Not that the
Bengals are going anywhere, but it's part of the larger
narrative of do you bother bringing Joe Burrow back off
the shelf after another loss? And now with your top
options sidelined Week twelve.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Man, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna start kind of
at the start. Anybody who spits on anybody has what's
coming to them, you know what I mean. Like, it's
just I I don't I don't get it. I've I've
never understood it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I
get it from this standpoint. If you want to disrespect
somebody in one of the most egregious ways, I mean,
(48:27):
that's that's pretty that's pretty high up the list. You know,
if we're talking about one on one, like what can
I do to you and not to those you love?
Like just me against you? What can I do to
you to show you ultimately that I have zero respect
for you? Go ahead and do that to me? I agree.
One hund with what Mike Tomlins said at the podium.
(48:50):
He can't. He obviously will get fined himself if he
advocates for violence. But you're playing a violent game in
a gladiatorial sport amongst al for men, You're gonna get
what's coming to you. And here's your problem. If you're
Jamar Chase, your divisional rival, you think that just goes away.
You think you think like you think this is over. No,
(49:15):
it's not over. So kind of a kind of a
dumb move. It kinda I mean more than a dumb
move obviously with the you you tally the game, check
the suspension, harming your team's success, you know, whatever success
they'd have, you know, and then obviously you know your
reputation whatever hit that takes. Man oh man. Also, you're
(49:36):
just kind of putting your own safety on the line
because how many times have we seen, especially between the
Cincinnati Bengals and Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, grudges be held.
Do you remember that Vontes Berg Tony Brown.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Right, Yeah, that's the name that comes up immediately. Yeah, yeah,
just plenty of those instances. And we look at Antoni
Brown and obviously he's facing some really difficult. Self induced
circumstances here, no question, but you know some of it
(50:11):
people keep trying to wonder if it didn't come back
from initially that hit.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is the the problem.
When you play a kid's game, like a kid in
a man's league, you will you will put a target
on your back. You know. If there's one thing that
you know is true of even war, is there are rules, right,
(50:40):
you know we've agreed to long ago, Like there are
certain things even international conflicts amongst the hottest of rivals,
you just don't do you know, you're not gassing populations,
buying large civilians should be protected like there are there
are rules, members of the press, whatever it may be.
That's the same thing in football now obviously the stakes
(51:02):
are much lower. You know, there's nobody dying there on
bombs going off, nobody's ducking under rubble or bunkers to
avoid you know, what could be their destiny waiting in
front of them. And the warfighters who go to fight
for this country are some of the bravest men and
women on the planet, and thank God every day for them.
(51:22):
But getting back to the comparison in football, even though
it seems lawless at times, even though you can play
up until the echo of the whistle, even though you
can throw punches, and you can grab somebody by the neck,
and you can throw an elbow into a gut, or
you can cheap cheap shot somebody under a pile. Like
all those things, they don't overall break any rules, unwritten
(51:47):
or otherwise. You may bend a few by doing some
of those things I just mentioned, But Chase, he broke
a rule. You know, this is all fairs in love
and war, except when you take it too far. And
took it too far, and unfortunately, the the outcome of
those type of actions is that gets sorted out between
friends in locker rooms and then out on the field
(52:09):
on Sunday. So next time the Steelers see the Bengals, unfortunately,
he's gonna have to watch out for himself because there's
just no excuse for that kind of behavior.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Little extra coming back and thinking you're getting away with
it in today's day and age, where the cameras from
the guy sitting in the three hundred level are going
to pick up anything like that, let alone the HD
cameras that are aligning the field of Miller to boast
a whole other thing. You know, you got you got
deep on me there, and I started, you know, getting
you know, those those fields of the patriotism and everything.
(52:42):
Whereas initially in my mind I was just going back
to Anchorman, not the face, not the face, to your
San Diego residence down there. But I mean, take me
back to your your playing career, right, you play at
Penn State, You're highly competitive, you know, well accomplished, and
then six years in the National Football League. Anything you
(53:03):
want to, you know, get dispensation for, like I'm a
priest here on national airwaves of things you may have
done in a pile or things that were committed against you.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah, I I did certain things, you know, unspeakable things
that I wish I didn't have to own up to.
But Father Harmon, I guess I will right here and
right now. I used to spoil movies for people on
the field.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
You miserable. Hey, have you seen this yet?
Speaker 4 (53:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Guess what happened. They're all already dead. Yeah, is dead?
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
All of those family nights that they were gonna have
with their kids.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
All dogs go to heaven. Well, guess what one does
for sure? It's just I feel terrible. I know by
the way in when you're at it. We should have
we should have led off this whole part of the
conversation with spoiler alert. Sorry real quick.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, buddy, we have as many points as Lebron does tonight.
Oh my gosh combined. Oh my gosh, all four of us,
five of us not go in there too. Yeah, there
you go.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
Not good.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Not good.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
DeAndre playing low post tonight. I have a feeling we
may pass Ole Brown.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Okay, there you go. We'll feed him inside, no question
about it. At Ornberger where you find him in the twitterverse,
find me over at Swollen Dome. Coming up next to
the curious case of Lane Kiffen, the most sought after
coach in the land. He does protest, perhaps a bit
too much for my liking. What does doctor Rich say?
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