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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Greetings, Happy Monday, Welcome
inside the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith,
Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and I just very presently
watch Doug Gottlieb shotgun a beer right before the show.
Turn around, show me your show, Hey, Otani Jersey on
the back was very impressive. Well anything I get you

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fired up here? Jason? Did you do? Especially Angel Stadium?
I gotta fire everybody up here. Uh. We got a
lot of football to get to, obviously a big Hall
of Fame weekend to talk about. But something you and
I you know, this has really been digging on us
since since last week, Tom Brady getting a contract extension
with the New England Patriots. Where we're gonna start this morning,

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and maybe you saw this over the weekend, ESPN first
reporting that Brady getting a two year extension with the
Patriots through one season, gonna be paid twenty three million
dollars this year. Eight million dollar increase will make Brady
the sixth highest paid quarterback in the league. Not first,
not second, not third, not fourth, not fifth, but the

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sixth highest paid quarterback in the league, tied with Drew Brees.
The deal is going to be adjusted each year Brady
continues playing. This first reported by Adam Schefter. So here's
Tom Brady, Doug and he gets a brand new deal.
And it's nice that we're talking about Tom Brady getting
a new contract instead of the guys holding out for deals.
Another day of Ezekiel Elliott, another day of no Melvin

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Melvin Gordon filling out, Like, how can we keep reinventing
these topics? Now we have at least someone signing and
getting paid money to actually continue to play football. Well,
I mean also, this is a deal to free up
some caps page now. And the way it works is
if you free cap stas now, that means there's more
dead cap money going to next year. And this is
some Tom Brady has done continually to me, It's more

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interesting the juxtaposition of working with Tom Brady working around
his contracts as opposed to Friday's big story was how
hard it was to work with Lebron James in Cleveland.
That David Griffin wanted to walk away from basketball like that,
That to me is a more interesting kind of comparison.
Compare contrast than uh than than running backs who are

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not a dying breed but not as nearly important breed
as it used to be. Well, then you had David
Griffin backtrack a little bit by saying, oh no, I
didn't mean it was miserable with Lebron. I just meant
the whole thing was there was miserable with And I
didn't mean that Lebron lost his desire to play in
in Los Angeles. I meant that he wasn't playing like

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he was in Cleveland. And y'all completely you guys are
completely misunderstanding what I wanted meant to say about that,
letting you guys they're missing it. You know what I mean, right? You?
You know what I mean. Do you think do you
think he woke up? Just do you think he woke up?
And Rich Paul was standing over his bed and just said,
you're gonna go back on this tomorrow. And then he
opened his eyes again and rich Paul was gone, and

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he said, all right, all right, I gotta I gotta
call somebody. Let me, let me call the chump so
I can go on and talk to them and say,
that's not what I meant about Lebron James. Look, look,
I mean superstars, harsh superstars for reason. It's not just
their god given talent, their brains and their dexterity. It's
also because you know, they have to find ways to
motivate themselves. And maybe this will motivate Lebron. But you know,

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I mean, look, Tom Brady is no different than any
of these other older star quarterbacks. You bring somebody in
and they're not gonna like him. Right. There's a reason
Jim Sorgy was Peyton Manning's backup. You know. It's because
anytime they bring somebody in who is good like he
would get him run out of town because he's he's
Peyton Manning. Um. But but the genius to Brady is

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he's still willing to not take top dollar as opposed
to Lebron. Who would like Brady because Brady's deals are
really like one or two year deals he signed a
bunch of them. Is he'll get a and and the
structuring of an NBA deal stiff in the structure of
an NFL deal, but he'll take a short term slightly
less than the market UH should pay him and and

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allow for his team to continue to put pieces around him,
which is allowed go to be successful for longer. And
and the thing that wore David Griffin out was it
wasn't just all the things that went with Lebron that
I'm sure, the senseless and needless texting to all of
his guys, but also the one year deals. The difference
was he would have one year deal that was always
the max. It's a different league with a salary cap,

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and you have some of Rich Paul's other clients wanting
more than their their skill set really should demand. So
I think this is the Patriots being the Patriots. I
don't think Brady's nearly a top five quarterback anymore in
this league, but his reputation precedes him, and he, based
on reputation, should be paid more than what he's making. See,

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I'm seeing a little bit different than the normal. Hey,
here's Brady taking less and this is why the Patriots
have one because obviously that that's been a big storyline
that that gets ignored the past years. Why the Brady
Patriots able to continue to have this dynasty because Brady
always takes less. We never hear any complaint from the
NFL Players Association. No one ever says, oh, how does
Brady only sign for one or two years? Gotta have

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four or five? Got to protect, got to protect. And
Tom Brady, who has gone through a very serious knee injury,
continues to make these deals. But this is the point
now where Tom Brady is taking less because he sees
what could happen if he starts power plays. We know
he and Belichick don't get along, but we know they
get along enough for the sake of the team to

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be able to play well. There was a pretty big
column by Seth Wickersham last year from that talking about
many many people with sources that they don't get along.
They get along for the team, but as far as
how they get along individually, that doesn't happen. Yeah, they
work together and they work well together. I think I
think it's a when you say they don't get along,
it's like do they do they walk down? Do they

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walk past each other in the hallway and give each
other the finger or do they walk I'd love to
get video of that, right, I mean, how do how
do they how do they approach each other in the whole?
Like again, there were people who wrote articles that was
the end of the world when Malcolm Butler, you know,
barely played in the Super Bowl and they turn around
and they let Malcolm Butler walk out the door. He
doesn't have that good a year. They go back to

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the super Bowl and they win it this year. So
I think some of it is is overblown. Do I
think that he was that that he made them choose
him or me? Would Jiman Garoppolo and he had a
power play Tom Brady? Yeah, yeah, I think so. And
I'm sure that just like any other player, Belichick would
like to have moved to the younger option. That's what
That's what Belichick does. But does that mean they don't

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they don't work, they don't like each other. I don't know.
I think they clearly work very very well together, and
Brady is completely bought in to all the different parts
of what makes a winning quarterback. Well, I don't I
don't think they're parking in each other's parking spots. I
don't think you know, Bill is parking too close to
Brady's car. I can't open can't open the passenger door.
Now Brady does it to me all the time. You know,

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I think it's more like did you watch the Wire?
I think it's more like Stringer and Avon where hey,
you know at the end, Sorry spoiler if you haven't
seen the wire. So we're at the end. It was, Hey,
we're buddies. We're buddies. We're by Hey, West Balmore's, Balmore's
West Balmore. We're buddies. We're buddies. But you want to
go one way and I want to go one way,
and that's not gonna work. So while we're hugging and

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talking to each other, we got hits out on the
other one. You know that that that's kind of what
it is with them, because you know, Belichick wants to
outlast Brady and show this is my dynasty, and Brady
wants to outlast Belichick and say, no, this is my dynasty.
If he goes for more money, this gives the Patriots
and and Bill Belichick a chance to say we can't
keep this team going with paying Tom Brady thirty five

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million dollars a year, we have to move on. And
now for Tom Brady taking less but not so much less.
This allows him to continue because you can't say, well,
we got to move on from Brady for twenty three million.
I mean, Belichick would sound ridiculous if he says that.
So it's all this behind the scenes stuff where you know,
it's one wanting to outlast the other. And that's really
what I've I've I've taken away from everything the past

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year and a half in New England, and this allows
time Brady to say I'm gonna be here now. Now,
this is the latest. I'm gonna be here now. I
just think it's amazing that he's able to you know,
talk his wife and to let him I mean, in
all honesty, right, like she wanted him to retire three
years ago. Of course she did, right, I'm sure that's
why she you know, you want a national television and
said he's got concussions, but we don't talk about them, right.

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I Mean, there's that that was a bit of a
power play from from Giselle. So there's there's a bunch
of different factors there. I just think it's fascinating to
watch a guy who continues to win. And look, you
know the numbers if you watched, like he wasn't as
good at the end of last year, but he still
finds a way to get it done. And Um, that's

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where I disagree with your idea of them being um
like the two in the wire, right I these are
two guys that will do anything it takes to win.
And if it's Tom Brady taking a little bit less,
if it's you know, Bill Belichick, you know, completely changing.
I mean we were at the Rams camp last week
and they were like, look, it took us half the

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game to figure out what they were doing. And then
by the time we figured out what they're doing, they
had an injury and they had a completely different, different
defensive scheme. Like it's amazing what they're able to do,
like on the fly in terms of preparation for what
you're doing, and then changing the look, you know, at
halftime or or through injury. So I just think that
that though they're not may may not be best friends,
they are both bought into whatever it takes to win.

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And for Tom Brady, if it's I'll kick the can
down the road, take some more money up front, but
it's not going to be thirty plus million dollars compete
with Aaron Rodgers. Fine, if that allows me to put
a couple more guys around me to keep being successful.
Jason Smith Doug Gottlieb in for Dana the Dana's Twitter
at How about a usk a Doug at Gottlieb Show.
You know you you bring up an interesting point about

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the Giselle aspect of this is that, like you know,
for three years, she's been saying she wants him to quit.
I don't know how you convince if your wife is
that bent on you not playing football anymore, that she
goes on national television says concussions, we don't talk about that,
and yet here you are three years later and you're
still playing. I don't know how you convince your wife

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yeah that you know, because you want to have a
happy life at home. And I don't know how you
I don't know how you convince say yeah, I'm gonna
keep playing. I'm sure he probably last year stayed clean.
I mean they keep I mean he looks great at
forty three years. He wears those TV twelve pajamas. All
you gotta do, you don't have to do anything, but
where those pajamas you recover every day. So I mean

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I think the it's it's the same fight you'll have
your you want your kid to play tackle football, right
only now he's the dad and they have as much
money as you could possibly spend. They gotta moat at
their house. Once you gotta moat, mote pretty cool, is
pretty cool? Yeah, I like some people have a pool,
some people have that kind of indoor outdoor California room

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basement especial in the Eset Coast, basements are key. But
you have a moat. I don't know of any guys
that come to work and say, I have a moat
at my house. Well, it stops the flaming arrows from
being able to get to the house. It stops in
the moat. It's hard to shoot all the way over
that water. But but I mean, look at the at
Brady taking twenty three million this year, and here's we're

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talking about Dak Prescott with thirty million dollars. Like if
if Dak was smart, he watches what the Patriots do,
he tries to get more money down the road and
take if he took in the mid twenties for the
Dallas Cowboys and they structured it the right way. It
would allow them to work out of Mari's Cooper, Mark
Cooper's contract, Jalen Smith and Byron Jones and maybe ultimately
as he kill it. If if the Patriots don't win,

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does Brady still take less money? Is he still this?
I will take less money because he's someone who if
anybody contains if they weren't a super Bowl champion every
other year like they've been since he started, if he did,
if he didn't have because I don't think he's that guy,
if he didn't have the comfort of I'm going down,
at worst the second best quarterback in the history of

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the National Football League. Look at the life. My wife
is is an incredible supermodel. I have a life that
the one top, one tenth of one percent or envious of.
But I do this, and I have this because I've
won super Bowls. Nobody says anything. If I only get
paid twenty three million dollars a year, it doesn't become
a story. But if I'm a really good quarterback and
I keep taking less and I'm not winning, he doesn't

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do that. This This is all, This is the comfort
of I I have no worries. One of the few
people that doesn't have any anxiety, doesn't worry about where
I rank as far as quarterbacks with money and should
I be making this? And this is a slight to
me that I'm making less than five guys if they
don't win, He's still taking that money. Being able to
win has kept this going for a long time. I

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think there might be another Well, yes, I mean yes,
one bee gets the other. And you know, they went
that decade without winning a Super Bowl, and you know,
like the story of Tom Brady's career when accurately told
they're best team and the prime of his career, he
lost a year because of the knee injury. Right they
had they won eighteen They went eighteen and o and

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then lost in the in the Super Bowl, and he
had a record setting year. He comes back the next
year and tears his a c L. And I mean
that that team was loaded and that was Randy Moss
in his prime and Tom Brady and they still they
want eleven and five and missed the playoffs. But I
mean it's like a six lost difference. I mean, how
much better are they mad Castle to Tom Brady? Crazy?

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But I I don't know in terms of I think
right now Brady is in the morning show host Um,
why he's being paid what he's being paid right because
in morning radio, which we're just throwing in for Dan
and Danettes, but like early morning Radio six and Clay
Travis and I'll kicked the coverage at some point. The

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pay pay you to get up every day in basketball
and calling basketball games, calling football games, and guys will
tell you all the time, it's a great saying. I
don't get paid to call the game. I get paid
to travel, right. It's it's those talks, ah, and so
that that's what you're paying Tom Brady for. You're not
paying Tom Brady for playing on Sundays. He likes doing that.

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It's how much do I have to pay him to
make sure he makes as many of the workouts as possible?
How much do you have to pay him? Said, he'll
keep coming to work. Now after a while, I'm paying
him to just get up and come to work because
he doesn't actually have to. And uh, it's it's an
amazing kind of partnership between all of them. Twitter at
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My Show, HERD Nights here on Fox Sports Radio, Doug

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every day twelve to three. We got more NFL on
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Brady's contract was a big deal, and Doug is already
shot gutting another beer. If you thought Tom Brady's contract
was a big deal, wait, let's tell you what happened
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The Dan Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Doug gottlieb in for
Dan this morning. You know, I wanted to ask you
a few minutes. I forgot to ask that, were you
ever good at shotgunning beers? Like Baker Mayfield? We ever
got that? I have shotgun of beer. I don't think

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it's crazy difficult to do if you know what you're doing.
The impressive part about him doing it was the fake
sip of the first beer, to grabbing it, to biting
it open, to shotgunning it so quickly that like transitioning
was really really impressive struck me as not the first,

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not one of the first dozen that he's ever shot gun.
That's like the way I saw Baker Mayfield do that.
I felt like, this is like how he trained to
do this. I gotta remember my training. Gotta grag it alright,
fake sip boom, big bite. The bite is important because
you gotta get the hole in the can. You know,
you gotta get the who in the canny be able
to shotgun it that way. It was just too much
effort for me. I was like I could just open
it and start drinking. Yeah, I saw a lot of

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I saw no negatives though in it, right, I mean,
he just he and he had the Francisco thendoored jersey on.
It was pretty pretty amazing. But this is like, you know,
classic Baker, where now he can do no wrong in Cleveland,
And that becomes a challenge when you have a no
name head coach, right if something goes wrong in Cleveland
and not point the figure of Baker. He's only the
second year and he's Baker. Look what he did last year.

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They're not gonna point the general manager. He's the one who,
though he has taken up some chances in some of
these guys, he's acquired the talent. They're gonna point at
the head coach who. Now one of the other former
a sistants from last year is coming out saying he
wasn't even the guy last year. Yeah, Ben Baker is
gonna say, yeah, Freddy Kitchen is Freddy is gonna say,
but Baker, but you love me, man, you got me right. Yeah,
I don't know about that, Freddie. But but I don't

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question you at all. I'll let you do whatever you want. Yeah,
I don't know about that, Freddie. That's how things are
gonna go there. Yeah, So here's the story. Um, a
guy named uh Uh was saying, Bob Wiley he was,
he was the big star hard knocks last he was
the line coach who when he said hut hut, his
his gut like contracted raised up. It was pretty amazing.

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So he was on a he was on Zach Gelb show,
and he says, Baker Mayfield likes Freddie. There's a good relationship.
Even though Kenny's MPs, he did all the coaching there.
Baker likes Freddie. So that had the factor in the decision.
But Freddie didn't have any coordinator experience or any head
coaching experience. You hire a guy who's not experienced as

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a head coach or as a coordinator. He leaped Frog's
a guy who you know by Bob Wiley's estimation, and
he was there did all the play calling and game planning.
And you're putting yourself in a position where you're more
likely to have and not successful season. Your successful season.
You don't even be able to know who Freddie Kitchens
is on the sideline spot Freddie Kitchens, he's a guy.

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Well I don't know. I mean, look, the guy got
the job because Baker Mayfield liked him, and he got
the job because nobody else wanted that job. And that
should tell you something. No other big names. They couldn't
land one big name. Hey, come coach Baker Mayfield. Look
how good he is. Look at the future we have
here in Cleveland. Things are phenomenal. They couldn't get one
big name. Why Why do you think that is because

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Baker Mayfield was elevated and to become the most important
person in the organization, which is what happens with quarterbacks.
But is Baker Mayfield a guy that people want to
go work with or is it? Boy? If things go sour.
He's tweeting about me. I saw he treated his former
coach Hugh Jackson, which you can say what you want
about Hugh, and he wasn't a great coach and he
had to go. But people see that, and people go, Okay,

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do I want to get involved in that? Do I
want to go there where he could be throwing me
under the bus in five minutes? I don't know about that.
So suddenly it's well, let's promote Freddie Kitchens because it's
really Baker's show anyway. I mean, they've given him this
power that he really is is not ready to have.
He needs to be molded. He's not a finished product.
He had a great year last year, like you win

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eight games with the seven games with the Browns, that's phenomenal.
He's got a lot of talent. He's a really good quarterback.
But you know this isn't you know Tom Brady at
thirty seven or thirty eight he said, Okay, Tom knows
what he's doing. Or Aaron Rodgers with the Green Bay Packers.
This is this kid was twenty four and it's you've
you've made him that big a deal and who wants
to go in going I'm just gonna be a sidecar
in the Baker Mayfield show. I think that's part of it.

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I don't think I don't think that's the whole thing.
I mean, remember thinking about all the terminal and turnover
they've had in the front office. So do I think
it's partially Baker and partially how the team is structure
that keeps he keeps guys away. I can I can't
agree with that, um, But I mean if we Rob
Chizinski lasted one year, Mike Patton two years, Hugh Jackson

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two years, and now you got Freddie Kitchen and even
go back before Chizinski, like they had Pat Shermer he
lasted two years and Mangini was was was two years
and Romeo Cano is three years and like how many
of these guys since Butch Davis Since Butch Davis like
it's become a turnstile. And I get it. That's the

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NFL that you know, not for long, just like players,
coaches can be can be out. But I would also
tell you that while people are people are trying to
figure out is that a well running organization now? Because
it wasn't going back two years ago. There's a reason
they won one game in two years, and so do
I think Baker has power? Yeah, and I think he's
he's using it smartly. But we'll see if they need

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if they needed somebody with more experience, because there are
some other other issues at play there with Cleveland schedule
more difficult, a lot of egos. Gotta get the football
and you gotta get stops. Uh So I think there's
there's a and Jimmy has some known as a guy
who can change his mind the flip of the hat.
And I'm guys are head coaching candidates. They do talk

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and they don't want to do it well more. And
Baker Mayfield coming up in about a half hour. Jason Smith,
Doug got leeb in for Dan but I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
But the crushing the beer and firing up the team,
firing up the crowd, like, that's Baker Mayfield one on one.
Like the questions for Baker Mayfield are is he too little?
Is he athletic enough? Right? Because he did struggle last

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year against the elite defenses. He wasn't ten touchdowns eleven
interceptions against the five best defenses he played, but it
was only year one. He processes super quickly. He does
have good feet, um, but is his he has all
the intangibles in the world. Does he have the tangibles
to succeed? Yeah, now you can cross off shotgunning a
beer off the questions for Baker Mayfield. Years is a

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tangible and intangible that's intangible, so you can't take that
onto the field with you still in the UH. We
talked a few minutes ago about Tom Brady getting his
new deal with the New England Patriots. And also big
story this week and Draymond Green agreeing to a four year,
hundred million dollar contract extension with the Warriors. H Rich
Paul breaking this story to ESPN a couple of days ago,

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and this now brings the value of Draymond Green's contract
to five years, hundred and eighteen million dollars. He could
have waited become a free agent, but the Worries have
said many times we want to keep our cored together
and that's Steph and Clay and Draymond Green. So here's
Draymond four years, hard a million dollar extension. And this
is the run that back, right. I mean, you're gonna
have Clay Thompson, you have Draymond, You're gonna have Steph

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Curry and we'll see what else they put around and
be like, hey, we lost Lebron. That's alright, run that back.
Let's let's let's let's try to get Maybe you knew
something I didn't there. Wait, no, no, no, no, So
I I think it's I think I compared dak to
Draymond on my show. Okay that I think Draymond is

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a tremendous player, but he's made a lot better because
of his supporting cast. He can't score twenty five at night,
that's not what he does is on who he is.
And usually an NBA roster is the top two or
three guys. They're getting paid because they can get buckets. Yeah,
he doesn't shoot, but he provides all of those intangibles
that are needed. And the question is his intangibles in
terms of shooting, his ability to playing the post um.

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But I mean again, Tom Brady is taking less money.
Draymond Green is not waiting any taking less money. And
you have some of these other guys who are at
a position of declining value who won't take less money
than they really want, all right, Like Melvin Gordon requesting
and trade is so comical to me because who's gonna
both Who's gonna give up both the top first or

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maybe early second round draft pick and a contract because
you're not he's not going anywhere. If he's not gonna
get the contract he wants, he's not gonna get the
contract he wants, so he's not going anywhere. So you compare,
I think Dak compares more appropriately to to Draymond green Um.
But compared what Draymond did a year early. Give me

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the guaranteed money, and it's far less than what some
people believe his market value would be. And that's that's
the story of building teams and salary cap eras Lebron
has never taken less moneys than shorter term deals. Other
quarterbacks have tried to get as much money as they
possibly can, like him, att Ryan, but like like an
Aaron Rodgers, and it's really really hard to navigate, and

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Draymond's making it easier and and uh and frankly Tom
Brady's making it easier. See that's what I wonder about
Draymond is he would have a lot of value on
the open floor, obviously because of what he's accomplished, being
the the ultimate glue guy, being able to be someone
to to to fill the stat sheet in a lot
of different categories. Doesn't shoot the ball, but if he

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could get back to being the guy hits the occasional
three up and down in transition you score twelve or fifteen.
You know that's fine. But would he fit? Would he
be doing all this on another team? What'd he be doing?
I mean, but isn't that like Dak? Like you put
Dac on most of these other NFL teams, How could
would be be? You put back with the Mark Cooper
a great offensive line and with Ezeki Elliott and he's
pretty good quarterback. Right, Well, I think you can put

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a lot of guys with a good offensive line, they
could become a good quarterback. Yes, but you have Ezeki
Elliott is in the conversation at best running back in
the league. And I'm not saying Dak's a scrub, but
I think he's much closer to the middle of the
NFL than he has the top the middle of the
starters in the NFL, then he is the top of them.

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And you know, here we have two guys are taking
less money or a little bit earlier than the market
would normally tell you to take that money, and I
think it's because they understand that in that in whatever
system they're in, the money they don't take is allowed
to be spread around. And like for for Draymond, this
is a great scenario. It's a smart play, and it

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helps the Warriors get to where they know that, um,
they're they're they're one or two pieces away, they're a
healthy clay away, and they got to figure out what
they're gonna do with D'Angelo Russell during after next season
or midway through next season, and then you have all
these other guys. I'll sign up Jason Smith, Doug Gottlieb
in for Dan Patrick, joining us now on the hotline.

(25:47):
Senior writer for the NBA Sports Illustrated Chris Mannix. You
can fall them on Twitter at s I Chris Mannix.
That's at SI Chris Mannis Chris. How's it going? What's
going on? Guys? Dude? What what what do you make of
Draymond's contract here? Four years hunder an extension a year early.
You know, I it's weird. You kind of like it
for both sides. I mean, I thought Draymond was going

(26:07):
to be one of the most interesting free agents, if
not the most interesting free agent next summer because he
was you know, arguably the marquee unrestricted guy in a
class that's not very good. Um, I do think he's
something of a diminishing return because he's a you know,
defensive minded power forward who doesn't shoot the ball pretty

(26:29):
particularly well. And those skill sets figure to a road
as it gets a little bit older. But you know,
in today's NBA, that's a pretty good team value deal
that they got Draymond Green on so and his value
to the Warriors is significantly higher because of you know
how he's kind of you know, he's part of that.
That team's d n a uh that it is anywhere else.

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So I think it's a good smart deal for both sides.
What do you make of the David Griffin article that
he kind of walked back a little bit late late
late Friday. Well, I mean, it not anything that I
hadn't heard before. If you you listen to Griff over
the course of the last you know, a couple of
years when he's been in media and he's done other podcasts,

(27:09):
he said comparable things before. I mean, it's it's a microscope, Doug,
that you're under when you're you're with Lebron James. I mean,
every day it's like going to war. And when you
factor in kind of the coaching element of it, and
having to deal with the David black stuff and and
and everything comes with being part of a Lebron team,
it's it's just, I guess the best way to put

(27:30):
it's not something I hadn't heard Griff kind of articulate before.
Maybe he was more pointed and more specific about it
in this article, but he's He's been saying things like
this for a little while. So obviously there was a
reaction from Lebron's camp. That's probably why he went on
I went on the jump and and and try to
walk some of it back. Yeah, but but it will

(27:53):
Lebron James get back to being the animal about winning
or is that ship sailed? I mean, I I think
he still is is committed to winning. I don't think
that kind of goes away when you're you're still playing.
But I don't know that he can do what he
likes physically, He's unable to do what he could do
it in the past. I mean, we all see what
we see. He's a still a terrific offensive player when

(28:15):
he dials it up to attend He's just not a
great defensive player right now and he's never gonna get
back to that level, so he needs more help than
never before. And I just don't see it coming, not
not with that Laker team. Mean, they're they're still, you know,
certainly with those two guys at the top, going to
be a threat. But teams win championships, and I don't
know how they fill up the depth around him over

(28:38):
the next couple of years when he is still at
that level too to do it. So I think that
it's a long way answer question. I think the desire
is still gonna be gonna be in him, but you know,
the body and the talent just is gonna give way. Yes,
I think it was there. I think last year was
a load maintenance year for Lebron, who realized we're not
going to the finals. I'm not going to kill myself
to get us into the playoffs. Here's a growing injury

(28:59):
that takes me fifteen games to come back from. Disengage
from his teammates didn't really buy in. Now this is
a finals or bus type year. A d is here,
we got other pieces here, and I think you're gonna
see Lebron back to the guy he was a year ago.
I think lad completely was last year was load maintenance,
load maintenance, yere. I want to extend my prime when
we can get to finals. I don't know if he's
load matenance as much as he's just not playing defense

(29:23):
with the same energy. I do think he looks a
little bit older. Do I think he wants to play
with his son. Yeah, I think he'd like to have it.
He'd like to do the Ken Griffo junior thing. Um.
But I you know that they were trying to make
the playoffs when he came back, and they lost to
some to Memphis, to Phoenix, to some of the worst
teams in the NBA. And they weren't they weren't you know,

(29:44):
he was. He was still putting up numbers. He's just
at thirty five, You're gonna be a different dude. Uh
Mannix help me out with Karmlo Anthony. Somehow he's become
like a sympathetic figure. I just does Does he find
a home in the n b A I don't think so.
You know, the We'll see what happens with Miami in
the next couple of months. Miami is the one team

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I think that would take a flyer on Carmelo because
they just believe that if you have talents, that they
can find a way to maximize it down there. So
if Miami goes out and frees up some roster spots,
maybe for a deal involving Chris Paul in the next
couple of months, who knows that. I could see them
bringing in Carmelo onto that team. But other than that,

(30:27):
I just don't see it. I mean, I don't see
the Lakers making a move on him right now and
everywhere else. I mean, he just he just doesn't have
that value. No, I still believe Doug that if in
the right team, in the right situation, and with the
right mindset from Carmelo Anthony, you could you could squeeze
something out of him. But it's gonna take a special

(30:47):
set of circumstances with guys that are on the roster
publicly or privately lobbying for Carmelo to get him onto
a team. Yeah, and then you know, you mentioned the
mindset and he's saying all the right things, But all right,
are you really willing to be Marie Spakes? You know,
come on, come in and if it's five minutes, if
it's semmits of it's twenty minutes, get buckets. Otherwise, get

(31:08):
that towel and and wave it every time somebody runs
by you like that's that's the it's it's all. But
that's what bench players have to do in the NBA.
You know, one, you have to be some sort of
specialists too. You got to be better defensively. He's just
not really it's you can hide. You can hide one
superstar star, you can't hide a role player. Um and
and and if I can say that, you have to

(31:29):
be an efficient score. Yeah, like there there's a there's
he's a minute. He's like a mid range and post
up guy and those guys and he's a ball stopper,
and those guys are dying breed. Yeah. And there's a
reason that in the end of Oklahoma City, I mean
Jeremy Grant took his spot in the rotation because Grant,
while not being a prolific score, was a versatile defender
who you know, when he was asked to score and
transition and certain you know, sort of low maintenance spots,

(31:52):
he was able to do it. And and Carmelo is
gonna have to be through that. He can be you know,
high thirties from three, you know, high forties from from
the field and limit ad minutes or else. His defensive
weaknesses are going to make it just too difficult to
keep him on the floor. See, I see a great
future for Carmelo because eventually they're going to call him
for FEBA. I mean eventually that phone call and they
got they're gonna get down to his number on that

(32:13):
rolloex with everybody saying no, no, no no, he's gonna have
go play FIBA for the in the World Cup because
every no one else wants to do it eventually, Okay,
anybody else there is, let's call Melow. I'm honestly, I'm
a little perplexed that it hasn't happened. I'm I'm head
of the Vegas right now for USA Basketball camp, and
you know, given Carmelo's history with that team, unless he
doesn't want to do it, and I haven't had a
specific conversation with anyone his camp about it, but I

(32:35):
mean they're basically putting out at all points bullets and
for players at this point, and I don't know why
you wouldn't want to at least ask him or try
to get him involved with that whole prop because he
is a tremendous international player. I mean, his his skill set,
he has he has been, he has been, right, it was.
And one of the things about Mellow is he does

(32:56):
you know, his first Olympic team was one of the
worst that we've ever had. They actually lost three games, right,
that was the that was before the redeem team. Um.
But like again we're commenting on Mellow even three or four,
you know, a couple of years ago or seven years ago, right,
I mean, like it's been a while since he's been
a key contributor. He can add, He can add as

(33:17):
much as like bamat a BIOCN for that team, and
like he's you know, I think he's he's playing of
the fourth position. I think it's he's just as valuable
as a player like that. He's not Christy. He's not
because he can't guard anybody like like he he can't
can't guard anybody, cannot move. He's washed that way. He
was never a good defender, never really into it, and
now he just can't in the in the NBA, that's

(33:39):
a problem right now. I don't know if it's as
big a problem in the international game, is what I'm saying.
I think he can get totally fair, completely fair. I
also think though, that we assume he's great, Like he's
close friends with Lebron. Lebron could have picked him up
last year for nothing minimum contract. He didn't, And so
there's something with how he interacts with teammates during a

(34:01):
game or teammates during a practice. He didn't cost Houston anything, right,
it was like nothing, but the only lasted ten games.
There had to be something more because I know you
know more people than I do, but I spend time
with him. He's a great dude. But when he's on
a team, he's not a great dude. I would say this,
though I don't. I don't think it's I don't think

(34:22):
it's his unwillingness to do certain things, at least not
in the last two stops in Oklahoma City. Everyone I
talked to you there said he was just you know,
he was willing to do stuff and try stuff. He
was willing to to be what you want him to be.
He just can't be that guy, Like he can't give
you defense, he can't give you uh certain types of playmaking.

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And when you're looking at a seventh, eighth or ninth man,
you're looking for different things than the two, three and
four man. That's that's to me is as big as problem.
What he can't do, that's not going to change. Palm
on Twitter at SI, Chris Mannix at SI Chris Mannix,
senior writer Sports Illustrated with the NBA on his way
to Vegas. Chris enjoy Man, we'll talk to you soon. Alright,

(35:03):
great stuff there from Chris Paddocks. You know, the thing
is with Mellow is that what what what what he
liked to do that he can't do now is he
can't take the ball with like twelve seconds left on
the shot clock and just kind of hold it back,
let everybody stand up and start clapping. So he can
then wait for the shot clock down to one and
take that off balance jumper and either make it or
miss it. If they could guarantee him at least two

(35:25):
of those moments again, he can sign anywhere. I'll come off.
There's given me two moments where I get to hold
the ball back and everybody stands up and puts their
beers down and claps for me. What they think I'm
gonna make a shot at the end of the quarter
and it was shot clock. Two of those moments he'll sign.
You know, it's interesting, Um, yeah, everyone wants so if
we get Olympic Team Mellow, Olympic Team Mellow, like he

(35:46):
had that opportunity o Klooma City and as much as
he might have tried things, remember they came out of
that season losing the playoffs and he said, you know,
he didn't like his role and he wanted to talk
about what how they were using him, and they they're like,
all right, fine, we're gonna pay you to go away.
You know, they trade him and he gets he gets
bought out. So uh, you know, he can say that

(36:08):
we can keep saying we want play it, we want
you know, overseas Mellow, Olympic Team Mellow. I just don't
think that guy exists because I don't think you can
put him around not just other stars, but other guys
that he respects, and find a way to get limited
minutes on him in the same amount of energy you
want Twitter at how about a Fresca Doug At Gottlieb Show,
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(36:29):
My show herd nights here on Fox Doug every day,
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(36:51):
Fox Sports Radio, The Dan Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Doug
Gottlieb in for Dan and the Danettes. This morning, got
more in Baker Mayfield coming up in about ten minute
after his big shotgunning beer weekend. But uh, you know
you and I like to quote the movie The Paper
with Michael Keaton, and you know, Ryan Music just brought
in a video some pictures of the story we're gonna
talk about now, and I feel like I want to

(37:13):
run the Michael Keaton line. I need three diet Cokes
before you show me anything like this, because he has
brought in and shown us pictures of Antonio Brown's feet, well,
the bottom his feet specifically, yes, the bottom of his feet,
not the tops of his feet, but the bottom of
his feet. Two of the more intriguing injuries that we're
keeping track of during the early days of training camp. Obviously,
Andrew lux Calf will get to that coming up. But

(37:34):
Antonio Brown has been out with a very mysterious foot
ailment no one's really known. Jon Gruden last week said
he was pretty upset. We'd all want a be on
the field, And yesterday he went on social media and
Instagram pictures of the bottom of his feet and they
look like the feet of an eighty year old man
who has been inside his house and not looked at

(37:56):
and not looked after for a long long time. He's
got just the it looks like he's got clay just
on the on the bottom of his feet that you
can just peel off. No, it's it's like it's a
super thick layer of skin that's peeling off and it
but it doesn't because not color. It doesn't appear to
be red and pink underneath. But you would not believe

(38:17):
the thickness level to this skin. And you can see
that slowly they're slicing away, but you can't peel it
off because there's probably parts of it at the top
where it's still live and you start bleeding and it
would be even worse. So this kind of puts the
bed puts the rest the idea that he's got potentially
a broken foot or something far more um impactful into

(38:38):
his first year with the Raiders. But it's like second
or third in terms of the weirdest stories. This one
is just because of visual You're like, man, those are
some ugly feet. I feel like, what's what which Austin
Powers wasn't where gold o gold member where he was
like he's taking off the pieces of skin and eating them. Yes,
that's a good one, very good one. That those the

(38:59):
thing guess, pieces of skin without like blood coming underneath it.
I've ever seen come off with somebody's feet. So this
is why he can't play because obviously, you know he's
I don't know how you what do you do? What
do you just file it off? Do you you gotta
go see somebody for this? Right? I did you not
go see anybody? Yeah? But obviously he hasn't because look
at the bottom of his feet. Like podiatrist is not
really a doctor though, right, Uh they go to medical school.

(39:23):
I know, but like you get sick on an airplane,
is there a doctor around like Podietris Like, hey, well
he's a specialist. I mean he's if you get sick
and you throw up on your feet. He'll be able
to help you. He or she will be able to
help you. Yeah, but how is he not going? That's
the thing I don't get is that you know these
you know players that are worth this much, and you
got oh, yeah, I can't play. I can't play. Why
your feet? Let's get a look at him. Oh, let's go,

(39:46):
let's go figure something out here. I don't understand that
part of it. How how is this because this is
just him going, yeah, you know, I don't I don't
really want to. I guess he burned his feet doing
some sort of training stuff, all right, walking on hot
coals or something like that. That's it looks like, let's
say he burned his feet and you can only as
it as it peels up, you can only cut away

(40:06):
just a small section because he has a huge sports camps. Um,
there's a couple of he I just I feel like
that has to be hot coals or something that has
to be How else would you how else would your
feet be peeling that much on the bottom side your feet. No,
it's it's like a boss relief, like one of those

(40:27):
one of those sculptures you get, And how how long
until you can actually play because, as you said, it
is if you ripped all this off, it's really red
and raw and probably bleeding, and it's a ways away.
And I wonder how much of this was well, this
will get better and how long? About two or three weeks?
That takes me through most of training camp. I just

(40:47):
need a week and a half to get ready. Yeah, no,
I'm good. Yeah, Hey, I can't plactic, guys, I can't practice.
I do put this on Antonio Brown, right, I I do,
like I get it. It's a freak thing. Whatever happened
to his feet. But dude, you run a new team.
You forced the way to Pittsburgh. They gave you a
huge contract. You have picks for you as well, and
you can't make it because you're because you burn your feet. Somebody,

(41:09):
somehow you burn your feet on the bomb's side, I
do put a good push of it on on on
Antonio Brown, so you're not gonna go for the heat.
Was just training so hard. This is what happened all
the training. Like in fairness, I have never had a um,
what's what's it called petty pedicure? I get pedicures all

(41:30):
the time. Fantastic. Well that's where you get them your hand, right,
that's the man. Okay, you learned something today. Yeah, my
I have the ugly tonenails, so I had the fung
fungus toenails that I've done like seemingly everything you trying
to get. So I'm not having anybody mess on my
feet because I just feel like they'll they go, they
see that, they'll fix that. They can't fix that. Sure

(41:52):
they can pedicures. I'm telling you what. They could do
whatever they want. They make your feet look like whoa,
like you could be in you know, like foot fetish magazine.
WHOA look at that. Look at Doulie before, like this
feels like he should have gotten one early, or he
stepped on something something hot that caused his feet to peel.
Because those are some nasty dogs right now. Nasty. Coming

(42:13):
up next, we got more on Baker Mayfield and I'll
look at Doug Gottlieb's feet. Fox. Be sure to catch
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Today jameson Smith Doug Gottlieb in my show Herd Nights

(42:35):
here on Fox Sports Radio Doug every day twelve to three,
and we spent the better part of last hour, you
and I, whether it was on the air, off the air,
talking about shotgunning beer. Didn't think that would be a
big topic of conversation, but hey, we had the weekend
we did with Baker Mayfield shotgun in the beer at
the Indians game, and here we are talking about it. Yeah. Um,
but it's the We find ways to talk about these teams.

(42:56):
And God bless the Browns, They've gotten a ton of discussion.
And I just I walk away from the Baker Mayfield
things saying like it's obviously. It started with Aaron Rodgers
and unable to pound his beer at a Bucks playoff game,
which was pretty fun because he played that up for
the crowd, you know, putting the finger up, going hang on,
hang out, let let me hang out, let me, let

(43:16):
me let me do that. I'll let my offensive lineman
get all the glory here because he blocks for me.
It's a smart move by Aaron rod no question. And
then you know other now these other starting quarterbacks for
pounding beers, but Baker took it to like a Baker
may feel the type of level a like it's almost
w W E ESQ. You know, it's like I almost

(43:37):
expecting to tear off his shirt, not turn around and
show us to Francisco indoor shirt. But that's Baker, dude.
He can know one rallies that he I mean, he's
untouchable in that city, that team, that city, and I
don't know how good he actually is, but I'm not
sure to actually it matters, Not sure matters right now,
it doesn't because everything is great. It's it's August, and

(43:58):
they had a season last year. They won seven games,
they were in the playoff hunt near the end. I mean,
obviously the peripheries and output. When you have won one
game the previous two years, whatever you do is a bonus.
And Mayfield played pretty well. They gave him the job
and he came in and it wasn't too big for him,
and he made big plays and he won games and

(44:18):
his attitude sparked the team. But now everything is great
because it's August, right every everybody. Look, I'm it's a
Jet fan. I'm loving life because it's August. And I'm
thinking Sam Darna Levian Bell. We could win the a
f C. East l reports every day about how good
Sam is. Then the footballs fly for real and you realize, okay,
we're a little deficient wide receiver. We you know, have

(44:38):
problems at defensive back. All these things happen for the Browns.
Everything will go fine as long as they win. Everything
everything will be fine as long as they win. Baker
Mayfield can say what he wants on social media, he
can chug beers all of these things. But the minute
they hit adversity, and they will because it's the National
Football League. And the first time he overthrew oros Odell

(45:00):
Beckham Jr. On a fourth and thirteen, or doesn't throw
to Odell Beckham and throws the Jarvis Landry and they
don't get a first down, they lose the game. Suddenly
Odell Beckham, who is not shy, is gonna say something
after the game. Baker Mayfield's gonna respond on social media
because that's who he is. And suddenly this leadership quality
that Baker Mayfield has turns into more of a Hey,

(45:21):
let's go storm the castle. Who's with me? Because that's
really kind of where he's at right now. He's the
He's not the leader, per se is. He's the guy
who stands up and says, who's had it with what's
going on here? Me? Follow me? Follow me to freedom?
And they're all running blindly behind him right now. How
what's gonna happen when they hit adversity. That's the thing
for the Browns and and that's the hope in terms

(45:42):
of Baker mayfields like makeup. That's why he's like the
reason that he vaulted up the draft boards because I mean,
he's not six feet tall, you're not a crazy athlete.
He's got a good arm. He doesn't have, you know,
an absolute get back there, but but a very good arm.
The reason he became the number one pick is at

(46:05):
the line of scrimmage, he processes what he's seeing very
very quickly, can get the ball out and can do
it do it accurately. Uh during a game off the
football field just has his unbelievable way of getting of
rallying guys to play with him. And that's part of
the job. And so well, I'll agree with you. That's
what you wonder about Cleveland first year head coach uh

(46:26):
Tina's franchise. A team that's fired coaches in their first year,
um a ton of expectations, I would say. The other
the this the challenge to Baker is can he figure
out a way to continue to play well so that
when they do lose a game or two, he doesn't
lose a team, he doesn't lose the players, and he
uses he uses all the those motivating factors in order

(46:48):
to help him continuating. He's got too much power too soon.
That's that's my that's my issue is they've elevated him
because he's a rock star. And I understand that. I
mean I completely get everything surrounding it. And it's like
he has taken this image of himself with swagger. Where
what were the biggest things about Baker Mayfield going into
the draft? Well, he planted the flag and he grabbed

(47:09):
his crotch right, And but since that has happened, he
has gone from hey, I like Baker Mayfley he has
got swagger too. Now I am embodying every single bit
of blank you swagger that I have. And that is
going to resonate with the fans. It's gonna resonate with
the fan base, resonate with the media, resonate with everybody.
But this is a kid who's twenty four years old

(47:29):
that needs to learn how to be an elite quarterback,
and and there's nobody that's there to check him and
bring him along on that. They have a first time
head coach who has been thrown into a situation where, Yeah,
here's Baker Mayfield, Here's Odell Beckham Jr. Jervis Landry, here's
a bunch of other Oh, by the way, get kareem
hunting and worry about the protest and everything's gonna happen
when that goes on. Yeah, good luck, Freddie Kitchens. I
mean that that's not a big rep that's not a

(47:51):
great recipe. Yeah, I would. I also think that if
you talk to guys the league, they have a different
perspective on it in that you know, they didn't care
about the honestly, when the getting charged, getting chased down
by cops. You know, when he saw the year left
of viligibility like we made it out to be had
to be something that it wasn't. If you actually watched

(48:12):
the film and knew what what went down, I can
tell you that the people, they don't have questions about
his leadership, They don't have questions about his uh his
his processing duels. What they have questions about is kind
of like what you said, Like he sometimes has has
tried to force things and show there is a better
arm than the evaluation of his arm. And I would

(48:33):
say decision makings and probably um those that's the reason
that they have faith in in Baker and are able
to you know, a leader when you see it, and
you've done this long enough, You've been to enough Super
Bowls that when a quarterback comes up and shakes your hand,
there's just a different sort of magnetism to it, right,

(48:53):
There's a there's something about these guys to where you
feel like you could be best friends with them. Baker
has that now can't is his you know, is his
ego writing checks that his butt can't cash top gun? Right?
I I think a little bit. But I also think
like this is part of the manage madness. Is he

(49:16):
will chug a beer, he will do some things that
people do love, and he will do somethings poorly once
he gets back onto a football field. But if you
love him, and you love him because of his story,
because of his stick tuitiveness, two parties in one. When
you come to Charlotte isn't gonna be a bad thing.
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not just me. It's not just a couple of people
who question Baker Mayfield or what surrounds him. Right now,

(49:58):
we're gonna play a sound bite right now from the
Zak Geld Show on CBS Sports Radio. Or Bob Wiley,
who was the star of Hard Knocks last year. You know,
as you talked about last hour, he would say hot hot,
his belly would move, which is pretty impressive. You know,
in the era of parlor tricks, you have Baker shotgunning
a beer and Bob Wiley doing the hot hot scene
is seeing his belly moved. Former coach now with the

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Browns said that, you know, Freddie Kitchens, who is the
new head coach, really didn't do a lot of coaching
last year, and he's getting more credit than he deserves
for bringing along Baker Mayfield. Baker Steady, there's a good
relationship there. You'll break a life, Steady that had a

(50:41):
siple into the decision to teach Freddy because he didn't
have any coordinating experience and he doesn't have any head coaching. See.
I love Bob Wiley because he sounds like a coach.
I oh, that's a football coach right there. Listen, Freddie
did all these things. Freddie didn't do any coaching. Ken's
ampez the quarterbacks coach, was a guy who did all
the coaching. Yeah, he did all the play calling. But

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but this is a little bit like why Tom Brady
is such a great quarterback. Tom Brady does not have
a great arm anymore. He is not a great athlete
in terms in comparison to other quarterbacks in the nash
Football ag Right, he's not fleet of foot, but he
still finds a way to win. Why Because playing quarterback
and quarterbacking isn't all about playing quarterback and quarterbacking. The

(51:22):
same be said for Baker Mayfield. Like the things he does,
those are things that would make you the most popular
popular guy in high school. Right, there's other things he
does that that you just I don't I don't know
to be um, I think they're they're all they're not
warning signs there. This is the guy who you just

(51:44):
feel like again, even the shotgunning the beer like, he
just gets it. He just gets who to pick fights
within the media. He gets how to shot get a beer,
do the mustache thing, try and at least appear slightly
humble but also super super confident. And I don't know
if the Baker Mayfield act works everywhere anywhere else it

(52:06):
it It probably doesn't. It might in a couple there,
but in Cleveland, Ohio, where they needed hope and they
needed a guy with swag, like, you just can't keep
bringing in guys. You gotta bring in a dude. And
whether or not he is a dude will time will tell,
but he sure as hell thinks it and people are
buying in well. They also need a guy to be
that next level quarterback. And that that's the issue with

(52:27):
Freddie Kitchens is that it's not just the Okay, here's
Baker Mayfield and you have to worry about his swagger,
alcious personality. Alright, manage that with Odell Beckham Jr. Who
everything is fine right now because it's August, and I
said he got Jervis Landry, got Kareem Hunt. You have
all of these things going on for a first time
head coach who was given the job because Baker Mayfield
liked him. Right, And in any job, whatever you do,

(52:49):
but that's that's important. That the best pre quarterback is
basically making the higher is that and it's not a
finished product. If this was Aaron Rodgers at thirty three
saying yes, I give my blessing, or Tom Brady saying yes,
all right because I know you know these guys, you
know how good they are already. He needs to continue

(53:11):
to progress. And if you have allowed him to hire
the next head coach, then how much is he gonna listen?
How much is he going to be someone that says, yes,
Freddie Kitchens is our leader. You know what, I'm really
the leader. I hired Freddie because that's that's kind of
who Baker Mayfield is. No, no, I'm I'm not disputing
any of those facts. I'm just saying, considering the the

(53:33):
depth of turnover they've had their coaching staff, it's hard
to get guys there and I would agree with you.
I think the Baker and his ego and how much
people are drinking the drinking the kool aid, I think
that's got to be an issue in terms of landing
a bigger name head coach. But I'd also tell you
that though Freddie Kitchens might might not have done the
play calling or the coaching, and he's getting some credit

(53:54):
for something that he didn't do, they did look immediately
better coached, much more organized, and I'm sure for Baker,
though he doesn't have any sort of experience, it was
a lot better experience once the coaching changes made. Do
you see him as a guy knowing everything we just
talked about this year can take that next step, can
go from being a guy, Hey, this guy is pretty

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good because what he did last year was pretty good
coming into it to a team that hadn't won. They
what what he did on the field was was fine
his rookie year. Is he someone that's in that environment
where he can take that next step this year? Is
he going to be someone that to be brought along
saying okay, I have confidence in what he's doing, like
you'd have confidence with Adam Gays and Sam Donald, like
you have confidence somewhere else I would. I think second

(54:37):
year quarterbacks are more difficult to have and managed in
first year quarterbacks. It's much like and you can remember
this when your daughter was young. Um, I think three
years old is more difficult than two years old. Yes,
I completely agree, right, okay, So so why is that
because at three years old? Because two was tough, because
two was easy, because she talked late, she did she

(54:58):
did things a little bit later when she got to three,
she got to her independence a little bit more, and
that was where you had to worry about. There, you go, Okay, So, uh,
when you have kids, the first thing you learn about
is the terrible toos. I mean, first you learned about
trying to get into sleep and fervor method whatever and
colic and all that stuff. But then you're like, then
you hear terrible two's terrible too's terrible tooths, and you

(55:20):
prepare yourself for it and like, look, two can be challenging.
They're not babies, you know, in a bastinet anymore. But
they're two years old. They don't know nothing. You can't
tie their own shoes, you can't wipe their own bottoms
and still go into diapers but they walk around in
a little little men and women clothing. Right. But because
you've been told second year quarterbacks first, I mean, see me. Uh,

(55:41):
two year olds are the most difficult. You say terrible twos.
Then they get to three and you're like, whoa wait
a second, now, hold on, why is he laying on
the floor crying for something? Like? What is the matter
with him? And it's because of the more freedom you get.
Now they're using a big girl, big boy bed that's
good and bad. A lot of times they're scared of it.
The clown in your bed train as well. More than anything,

(56:03):
it's the independence because you're like, hey, you're not too anymore.
You're a big boy now, you're a big girl now, right.
Same thing with quarterbacks your rookie year. They don't give
you the whole playbook. They don't search you the whole season.
And Baker Mayfield was not good by anyone's estimation against
the good defenses in the NFL. He will tell you
that he's the reason they didn't make the playoffs because
some of the throws he left on the field I

(56:25):
think against the Ravens late late in the year. Um,
But you come into your second year and you think
rookie quarterbacks have to be the words, don't have a
rookie quarterback. Now he's got experience. Truth is, he's got
like ten games, is like ten NFL games played. He
didn't have a ton of NFL experience and he was
thrown right in. It wasn't hey, You have to think
about it. He has other new coaches around him, and

(56:48):
it's only his second year, and now he's given the
whole playbook, and now he's the man about town now here,
he's given his independence. And so I do think that
sophomore year NFL quarterbacks can be more troubling and harder
predict than even rookies could be in the NFL. Jason
Smith Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the Dan Nets
Twitter at how about a Fresca Doug at Gottlieb Show. Also,

(57:10):
if you have any questions about Terrible twos versus the threes,
Doug at Gottlieb Show will answer all of your questions
as you go on this morning. Uh coming up next,
we will get into the biggest injury this preseason so
far in the NFL. And it's it's not Antonio Brown's feet.
I mean we will get into Antonio Brown's feet, but
it's not Antonio Brown's feet that's coming up next on Fox.

(57:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Smith and Doug Gottlieb been for Dan and the Danettes.
My show heard every night here on Fox Sports Radio
seven to eleven Pacific, Doug every day twelve to three
Pacific as well. Both you and I doing double duty today.

(57:53):
You know, they say there's no more two days. You know,
we're doing two a days now here in radio. It's
just not from the NFL to radio. Yeah, I um
not as arduous as two days in football, but we'll
take it because it is the early wake up call.
It's interesting you get get your team Baker, uh, you know,
tweets at you I got. Guys asked me like, well,

(58:15):
when you set the rookie quarterback passing record, touchdown record,
why is that just okay? Like all right, do we
realize who they're beating? And I got it that Cleveland
won one game combined in the two previous seasons, but
like we have to take a breath and remember that
when that when when Baker Mayfield came in last year,

(58:36):
at the end of the last season, you know that
was they played. They played the Bengals twice for the
worst defense in the history of the league up until
the like the last two weeks, they were on track
to have the worst defense statistically in the history of
the league. They played because they had won one game
combined a last place schedule, and so he was against

(58:57):
the good teams. He was ten touchdowns, love in receptions, fine,
not spectacular, and I think he'll be better this year
and he's a better team around him this year. Twitter
at how about a Fresca Doug at Gottlieb Show joining
us now on the hotline. You can follow them on
Twitter at by Kevin Clark. That's at by Kevin Clark.
It is Kevin Clark, who covers NFL for The Ringer.
Today at Lions and Patch joint camp. And I assume

(59:19):
Kevin everybody's talking about Tom Brady's new contract. Yeah, he's
actually going to talk about later today, which you know
Tom has been talking to the media a lot, so
that should be exciting to hear his thoughts on it.
But you know, I think that part of part of
the narrative of the Patriots over the past twenty years
has been his contract. And so for him to get
a little bit more money eight million dollars, that's a
big deal. And so yeah, I mean it will be

(59:40):
interesting to see what he thinks. But you know, to
have that sort of cost certainty going big thanks for
the past. Yeah, the cost certainty is big for any
general manager. Um, it's it's it's fascinating that they keep
doing this and they're saving money on the cap. So right, like,
that's the kind of hes out if you say money

(01:00:00):
the cat Now, eventually it's going to come back to
get you, to be dead cat money at some point
later on in in the in the contract meeting, next year,
the year after. Um, So what about the wide receivers
and the tight ends. How have they looked so far
in the preseason. I mean they've been fine. I mean
I think that you wouldn't Bill Belichick when he's desperate
to innovate. It's very dangerous thing to the league. You know,

(01:00:22):
we saw that they basically invented the modern flat receiver
twelve years ago with West Looker. Um they went to
tight ends after that they got Randy loss for for
fifty cents on the dollar if that um, you know,
for twelve years ago as well, And so I don't
know necessarily if they have With Josh Gordon still suspended
in no updates there, I don't know if they have

(01:00:44):
the answer right now at receiver. I think that what
they have is a couple of threads they can follow
to maybe get the passing offense where it needs to be.
Maybe they used James Deadwin more and go with just
a book to your offense, maybe run the ball a
little bit more. There's a lot out of ways they
can go. Again, I think they should probably stand to
maybe make a trade. Unfortunately, all the sort of the

(01:01:08):
top shelf receivers who are available are gone right now.
And if people are fantasizing about an A. J. Green trade,
that's out with that injury. And so I think they're
gonna have to make do right now with what they have,
and that is Bill Belichick, Josh Daniels coming up with
a way to make this offense work. Kevin how much
of the contract extension for Brady's It's twenty three million,
which makes him the fifth highest paid quarterback in the NFL.

(01:01:30):
So and still he's way under what he used to be.
How much of this is Hey, if it was thirty
five million he was asking for, Bill Belichick could stand
up and say, you know what, we can't afford Tom Brady.
Let's move on. Yeah. I mean that that's the question
is legitimate because we've never had to find out. Tom
Brady has never been I don't think you've made twenty

(01:01:53):
million dollars in cash in the entire season, so I
can know we hasn't. That's remarkable. Jimmy Garoppolo and Aaron
Rodgers has both over fifty million this season with bonuses
when I kicked in. I think Aaron Rodgers last year
made sixty six million in cash because his new deal
kicked in. And so Tom Brady has never really put
his foot down. He's been okay taking these sort of raises.

(01:02:13):
I mean, a couple of years ago, he's making Andy Dalton,
he's making he consistently makes less than Derek Carr. And
so I'm even if Tom Brady wanted to do sort
of a late career cash grab and said, okay, pay
me those kind of on paper figures the next two years,
which you know in next year is told, or thirty
millions the year after thirty five, if he wanted to

(01:02:34):
do a late career cash grab, the Patriches give it
to him because he's been underpaid for twenty years. UM.
I don't know if they'll do that exactly depends on
how it deforms this year. But it is amazing to
me that Tom Brady has never asked for for that
kind of money. And I don't know truly what would
happen if Patriots were faced about dilemma Yeah, and now
and and and it's interesting obviously do in a very

(01:02:55):
given part of his career, But the idea of paying
doc in the thirty billion dollar range, when when drew,
when Tom Brady seems to get the eye that idea,
the Patriot way of you know that they don't put
the money in their pocket when they save it on
your contract, they use it elsewhere. And it does feel
like that's more who docs DOC should be following than

(01:03:15):
a than a to than you know, an Aaron Rodgers
mentality or Matt Stafford who you're gonna see mentality. Guys
they'll take every last dollar because in their minds they've
earned it. But at the to the detriment of the
guys around them. Yeah, I mean, and also yeah, there's
another factor here, which is said, there's you know, a
couple of quarterbacks were making especially Doc was one of

(01:03:36):
those guys, Russell Wilson when when they won the Super Bowl. No, no,
we're losing Kevin Clark. We are and I'll take it
right and a coke. Can you please repeat that, sir?
Can you please repeat that for me? I'll take a

(01:04:00):
double douvl with onions dr ever and that's all. I
think you're gonna go. And Canada Rourke that we don't
traded Oakland called agent. Hopefully we'll get Kevin Clark backed.

(01:04:22):
As we're talking about the Patriots situation with Tom Brady
and his contract, and I think Kevin back, I'm back
at now back, Yeah, I'm back. And so I just
just just to finish the point there. Um. I get
why DAK is a default there um for thirty million dollars,
but you have to really come in and be as

(01:04:44):
valuable as anybody in the league because you're gonna be
giving up four or five six players on offense and
defense that can help you win. I think we're burying
the lead here. A little bit Kevin. I accepted this
something dug and I talked about a few minutes ago,
how good are you a shot gunning beer? I mean,
are you a good beer shotgun? Are you like if
you were raiding yourself in the Baker Mayfield scale. So

(01:05:06):
I taught Matthew Stafford about this yesterday, and I was
actually surprised because obviously he went viral in the summer
with it. And he said that that was towards the
end of his night, he'd had a couple of steaks.
I was surprised he was able to come in that hot.
I am not. I'm sure it's the University of Miami.
Ten years ago, I was pretty good. I was definitely

(01:05:27):
probably maybe the you know, nineties percentile you have to
be in Florida. I would say I'm probably just average now,
all right, Well, hey, and that's impressive for Stafford. Not
one steak. He had a couple of steaks. That was
the end of the night. I don't know. He said
it was a night of steak eating. I don't know.
A big old boy now. Staverage A big dude to write.
I mean, he's a good six four or six five big.

(01:05:49):
He's one of those. You know, he blocks out the
sun a little bit, sort of sort of guy. By
the way I met mat Patrician, was love love this, right,
he had him practicing the cold outside in the regular season.
So are they trying to sweat it out in the
morning workout? Right? Does he have them like the wrestlers, uh,
to lose weight? What? What's what? What's Patricia's second training

(01:06:10):
camp like to cover? Well, they're out there and it's hot.
It is really really hot. It's not as hot as
some of those other training camp, but it's pretty bad.
And I think that they're trying to get the elements in,
you know. I mean, they have an indoor facility. They
haven't gone there yet, and so I think that he's
just trying to get these guys in shape. And I
don't know, I mean, I wonder if he does something
different now that uh his his former coaching dad, Bill

(01:06:33):
Belichick is on the premises. We'll see what happens. But
right now they're practicing in the heat. You know, you
mentioned Dak Prescott as well a couple of seconds ago,
and Jerry Jones said earlier today, Hey, don't worry about
a contract extensions for all three of these players are
gonna happen, referring to Dak Prescott, is Zekiel and Amri Cooper.
Is it going to be something we see this soon?
Is it gonna be over the course the next few weeks?

(01:06:54):
What do you think it's gonna be. Well, they've got
a lot of players to get in their contract, because
it's not just it's not just those break And then
you have DeMarcus Lawrence obviously had a lot of money
coming to him, Byron Jones has a lot of money
coming to him. And so this is sort of fantasy
that everything is going to work out is a little
strange to me. And I think that to make the
numbers work, and also this from the negotiate him for

(01:07:16):
if you're Jerry Jones, why are you doing this? Why
are you saying, hey, this is all gonna work out.
If I'm a Marie Cooper, I'm saying, great, this is
all gonna work out. Paying me like Michael Thomas, um,
you know the cap, even though the cap rises ten
million dollars a year, it's still a real thing. And
when you start paying your quarterback sorty million, if you're
termed the fat somewhere. So I think it's possible all
those guys get done this counter year, but that's really

(01:07:38):
really optimistic. UM. The Andrew Luck calf thing is weird, right,
Like we're talking. April was when he hurt the calf
April and he's still not out there. What are you
hearing about the likely he's ready for the season, you know,
I don't know. I mean, I think the one thing
you have to remember is we are in football's load

(01:08:01):
management era. It's completely different than the NBA because they're
not going to sit out regulars using games, but teams
are going to just default towards not practicing, sending out
the preseason. We saw a little bit with the Rams
last year. I think the Chargers that there following up model.
I've talked to five or six coaches were following that model.
So it is really hard to gauge the seriousness of

(01:08:21):
those sort of injuries. UM, I would say Cam Newton
is another one in Caroline up where you They're gonna
be as cautious as possible. So it remains to be seen.
What's up with Andrew Luck. I agree with you. I
think it's very strange and I think it's very sense
to the point that you know, I think Andrew Luck
is one of the best players in the NFL, and
every couple of years we have sort of a mystery
injury pop up, and I just hope he's healthy for

(01:08:43):
the rest of his career. Um and and I start
to wonder when I see yet another sort of flamed
off season, uh, dominated by an Andrew Luck injury. Yeah,
I mean, I agree with a load like to look,
Sean told us last week we're down there. He's like, man,
I'm if you have shown me you can play football,
I don't need you to show me you can play
football in the preseason, right, I just I just don't.

(01:09:04):
But golf isn't taking any reps off, you know, you know,
because nobody's touching him, and for Andrew Luck, you know
that the reps are important. To not get those live
reps at all. I just, I mean, you know, it's
gonna be fascinating considering the year he came off and
the expectations, and that division is a bear now really
is it's gonna be. It's gonna be faster to see

(01:09:25):
when he's up and ready to go. I think the
Colts are a Super Bowl contender. So the difference between
you know, a couple hundred training camp reps and not
having those it's pretty big when you get into you know, January.
What what do you think Antonio Brown stepped on to
make his feet peel like that? Like? Is that? It's
like what beach is so hot that he decided no

(01:09:46):
flip flops. I'm gonna I'm gonna walk down to the
water like that. Look. I saw some references to that,
and I was trying to not see it, and unfortunately
I saw it. And I haven't been the same stuff.
That's all I know. Yeah, no, you don't want to,
you know what, Watch gold Member and then you'll know
exactly where we are right now on the show eating
the skin. But it's that. That's, by the way, that's

(01:10:11):
another mystery injury. I guess he saw a foot specialist yesterday,
so I don't know. I mean, maybe hopefully you just
saw the foot specialist to fix whatever was going on
his seat and that's not a long term injured. He's
on Twitter at by Kevin Clark. That's at by Kevin
Clark NFL. Inside of for the Ringer. I have fun
with the pats and the lines today and and if
you wind up shotgunning a beer and make sure you

(01:10:32):
just put it on social media for us. A great
stuff there from Kevin Clark. You know the thing about
Andrew Luck, and that's a really big deal. Number one.
I think that's gonna be the best division in football
this year, the a f C, sund even the Jaguars,
who well, they're still gonna give some team problems because
they're going to get better play a quarterback this year.
But this is now what you have to realize is

(01:10:53):
the new normal for Andrew Luck. He's never going to
be healthy. He's gonna be thirty years old. And for
everybody who says, uh, just way too Andrew Luck is
health but you know what, the guy has never been healthy.
He hasn't been healthy in four years. And and first
it was his shoulder, but but now here he is
another year where he's not healthy. You just have to
realize him he's got but he's not healthy. Yeah that's

(01:11:14):
not You're like, he's had a bad calf since April
and here we are in August. Again. I'm not disagreed
that it's really weird, okay, but you can't deem a
guy not healthy when the actual games haven't started. He's
going he's going to be going through injury problems. He's
never going he's never going to be completely healthy. Obviously,
he's a guy that's prone to injury and not prone

(01:11:35):
to getting it taken care of. Because I want to say,
how does this go? How does it go from? Yeah,
this is bothering me in April and now he tells
the team, yeah, let's let's shut me down. Nobody look
at it. Didn't look at it when it didn't go
away because he said this didn't go away. Well, how
about in May then or in June? You tell the team, Hey,
you know my calf, it hasn't gone away. What should
we do instead? Oh? Here, I am all. I can't
run around on it. I can't do what I'm going

(01:11:56):
This is four months have gone by, and suddenly now
the beginning of the season could be in jeopardy because
of it. I don't get that part of it. Yeah,
I mean his first three years were as good as
as anybody who's out of the NFL, and then last
year he had appeared to be back, and slowly but
surely they let him throw the ball kind of downfield
more and more as he gained confidence. I just like

(01:12:17):
all of a sudden I'm with you on the length
of time with which a calf injury, which is like,
you know, late thirties, early forties, guys, we get we
heard our caves every time we do something. Um, for
Angel Luck, it's a little bit different. He had he
does have the injury prone knock against him, but part
of it was that that was the shoulder injury sustained
one while playing football. The other one was skiing. Al Right,

(01:12:38):
so um, this this one feels a little different because
last year he showed that he can play through it,
through any sort of adversity coming off of those injuries. Right,
But at the same time, here's a guy that's been
injured for the better part of the last three years.
Here's another injury he is dealing with. He's never going
to get to the point where, Okay, hey, I got
a clean bill health and I feel great. Because it's

(01:12:59):
guys who at hurt don't start feeling better. You don't
start just getting Oh no, I've gotten through all the
injury parts and in my early thirties now no, no,
you keep getting dinged up because you get older, your
body goes from more pounding, you're more susceptible to injury.
That's just that's just natural things that happened with sports.
But for Andrew Luck, it's it's more of a recalculating, Okay,
this is the new normal, and going into this year,
you gotta hope that this is your Andrew Luck stays healthy.

(01:13:22):
Instead of saying, hey, I count on Tom Brady for
sixteen games a year. Every year, I count on uh
the player X. For this, I count on Dak Prescott.
But can you can is this a year you can
count on Andrew Luck for sixteen games? Because it is
a super Bowler bust here for them, because they are
that good. They fixed their offensive problems, offensive line problems
last year and that result, Andrew Luck was back to
being the guy he was, you know, four or five

(01:13:43):
years ago. But this is a super bowl Er bust
here for sust Sure it is when you don't know
what you don't know how healthy your quarterback is gonna be. Yeah, okay,
we gotta take advantage of where we are right now. No,
I understand, But super Bowler bust is is you know
like that, that's that's l a lake is our championship
or bust based on how they're built. The Dodgers are

(01:14:03):
World Series winners or like the Colts, they got speed
on defense, they have a chance that a really really
good team. But you're talking there one year removed from
having kind of disaster as a team. Right, So they've
rebuilt the offensive line, the defense has has a ton
of speed. Andrew Luck is back to was back last
year of playing at at a at a much higher level,

(01:14:26):
especially as the season went on in terms of the
throws that he would make. But Super Bowl Bust feels
like all right three years from now. With the Colts,
Chris Power has done a really good job of rebuilding
it in just two years. This only year two of
the rebuild, right, but every year is different. It is
your offensive line is still going to be this good
in a year? Are you still going to have these
kind of players staining it? Without any question? Is is

(01:14:47):
the hardest thing in the league. That's it's sustaining any
success in the NFL. Half the teams, as we know,
don't make the playoffs. And as you point out, that's
still a tough division. Um, but I mean a very
tough division with Tennessee on the other hand, is how
comfortable are we in that Jacksonville all of a sudden,
it's gonna fix all of their problems. And has there
ever been a less discussed eleven win team in the

(01:15:08):
Houston Texans like star players. I I picked them to
go to the super Bowl last year. I said, oh,
I'm right on, and then they completely completely threw up
on themselves in the playoffs. Yeah, they got exciting quarterback,
they got exciting wide receiver. It's an exciting team. Yes, Yes,
and they have Captain America J. J. Watt. Yeah, there's
a there's a lot to um the Tennessee's. It got

(01:15:31):
a unique team. We'll see if Marcus Mariot like this
is a big prove it year. But I'm not. I
just I don't do the injury prone deal, even though
I mean you're fair to point out that he had
some Nixon, but he had a major shoulder injury and
that he came back too quick. From when you have
injury prone to me, is you tear your a c
l on one knee, then you have cartilage on the other,

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Then you pull a hamstring, then you pull a groin,
then you put your calf, then your back hurts. You know,
it's like all of these different areas in your body.
Instead of just having one problematic area, you have the
entire litany of injuries every day. That's how I feel
every day. So you're injury prone. No, No, I just
feel like I get up. Sometimes when I get up,
I'm like everything. I feel like Phil Jackson getting out

(01:16:16):
of a chair on the sideline. I gotta walk around
for a minute. Ago, I've been sitting for too long,
and okay, it's my lower back reference. That's the second
really good reference here today, like gold gold Finger eating
eating skin and Phil Jackson getting out of a chair.
Phil Jackson getting a chair is one of the more
You're like, my back hurts watching him. It's like, oh, oh, Phil,

(01:16:38):
don't get out of jeez Phil. Yeah. I get up,
and I'm kind of hunched over a little bit. I
feel like I'm walking like Phil. I start thinking about,
you know, sitting up the next possession, like I go,
I go through that in my head. I got in triangles.
You stay from the other person. I wish I could
do the whistle though. I could get everybody in my
house if I could do that Phil Jackson whistle. It's amazing. Right.

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I played for John McCloud he passed away earlier this
year with Notre Dame and he was an old NBA
coach with the Phoenix Suns, and he had that whistle
and the two finger thing right, and it was it
was really like, damn, it's impressive. It's really impressive. Are
we are? We? See? I I also think we're in

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a generation now where where we've we've kind of bread
out people who say Washington and worsh the clothes right,
like those are relics. Truly, all relics are have we
is an a relic down to teach your kid how
to whistle with you know, with with your two fingers
in your mouth thing. Oh I want to I want
to try to do it but myself. But yes, but
does anybody who knows how to whistle do that with

(01:17:46):
their kid? Feel free to tweet us at Gottlieb Show
at How Bad a Fresco. We're at Dan Patrick Show,
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eight seven seven nine on Fox. You just want to
call in and do that whistle? I mean I think
we can do that as well. Yeah, you gotta do
it for our producer Ryan Music. You gotta prove it
to him that you can do it, like six seven
eight music? Can you do it? Can you do the whistle?

(01:18:06):
I can, really, you can't. You can do the Taxson whistle? Guy?
Let me here. Wow, that was pretty good. He actually
went way back from the microphone, way back and it
and that one actually sounded like a whistle. And when
I say sound like a whistle, I'm not talking about
the two finger whistle. It sounded like a fox forty,

(01:18:27):
like the referee whistle. Like he pulled it out and
put it in his mouth. All right, let's go next,
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Doug and I were talking about this a couple of
minutes ago, especially coming off that thrilling Dodgers win over
the Padres yesterday, where I get another walk off for
the Dodgers, who seem to win every game in that fashion.

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But a big NFL story that's breaking this morning involves
the Dallas Cowboys and their contract situations with Dak Prescott,
Ezekiel Elliott, and Amari Cooper. The thinking was coming into
this summer that the Cowboys were going to extend Dac
and Amari Cooper and then see if there's money left
for Zeke. Jerry Jones said, quote, it'll happen. It'll happen,

(01:19:51):
just no, like so many things, it'll happen. There literally
is no concern on my part at all about any
time frame that'll happen. And so Doug, basically, what Jerry
Jones happen, it'll happen, it'll happen, and there's there's no
time constraints on any of this. You know, it'll happen.
It'll happen, no time constraints. I may have to pay

(01:20:16):
Zeke in Cowboy Bucks, which I'm on the fifty stevens
on the twenty. This is money that can be used
at at Valley Ranch and for goods and services around
that area, not in most of the United States. But
this is a lot of money that I'm having printed up.
Uh that's going to have a Tony now yeah, yeah,

(01:20:39):
yeah yeah, and uh uh Witten is gonna be on
the on the on the Cowboys Nickel bringing him back.
So that was big for us. But if I could
pay with this kind, that will work. Good morning to you. Yes, yes,
uh what box it'll it'll happen. Yeah, all that don't happen. Oxnard,

(01:21:01):
not Oxford, ox Nerd, it is ox Snard. Now, so
I always said ox Nerd, It's not Oxterard, it's ox Nerd. No,
you put that, you put that on it's ox Nerd. No,
ox Nerd. It's not Oxterd, not ox Oxnrd, Oxtard California
hard No, but ox Nord doesn't sound right. I don't
care what it sounds I'm from. I'm a native of
southern California. Ryan Music is a native of southern California.

(01:21:23):
The Dallas Cowboys training Oxford or Oxnard, California. Oxnard, thank you, No,
they don't. They travel on the training Oxnard. It's ox it'
it's it's a better way to say it. It's how
it should be said, even if it's it's not. It's
it's ox ox ox RD. So what is it? Like?
What is it? Is it? What is it? What is it? All?

(01:21:44):
Main basil? I I believe this is the case that
there is a plan they're trying to put together, like
all right, that we have, what are we gotta do
to get everybody paid? And that's that's kind of the issue.
Is there's like five guys that need to be paid
too on defense, three on offense, and how do they

(01:22:04):
have the rest of their team and have all those guys.
That's they'll use some creative math and they'll get it
all done. To me, the bottom line on Zeke is
is important. Paying him early is important. Not that it's
important they need to do it, but if they do
it that that strikes me as odd, just because I
feel like Zeke's hopping in the line of to get

(01:22:26):
paid early because he knows that running backs on the
open market, he wouldn't be on the market for years now.
Just don't have the value. They don't and the value
is going down, not up, whereas now you gotta Marii
Cooper and the wide receiver market was reset last week
with Michael Thomas a deal. This is a lot of things.
They're working through it once well. And also, I firmly

(01:22:46):
believe Jerry Jones is being honest when he says it'll happen,
it'll happen. It'll happen because he can look like the hero.
He's gonna look like the guy who kept everybody together. Oh,
Zeke is holding out. This just adds the drama. He's
not gonna get any carries in the game anyway in
the preseason. He's gonna sit out all the preseason. What
he's missing is he's missing time in camp, so hopefully

(01:23:08):
doesn't come back, rush his way back and pull a hamstring,
which is what happens many times when you're not in
football shape. But as far as Jerry, yeah, we we
don't need he's not gonna run the ball. I'm gonna
look like the hero because I'm gonna say, hey, look,
I kept everybody together. We got it done in the
heat of August, and here we are ready for the season.
I am absolutely fine with how things are right now.
Uh yeah, And he is right though, when has the

(01:23:30):
guy walked away from the Cowboys? I just think you
you start paying guys early, and every guy who has
a good year is gonna start coming in early, right.
I mean, we we all talk in our business. Once
you got your rays, I said, hey, I want once,
well I want I want what how about a fresh gant?
How about with sullen Dome one? I I want those
those deals. So people do talk. But Jerry Jones bragging

(01:23:53):
about Jerry Jones buildy to close deals is like the
most Jerry Jones way to start the season ever. Twitter
at about a Fresca, Doug at Gottlieb Show, Jason Smith,
Doug gottlie speaking of money, we get back into what
happened with Tom Brady. That's uh next on the on
the Fox Network. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten

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pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith,
Doug Gottlieb Ben for Dan and the Dan Nets. Welcome
inside final hour of the show, and we got a
big NFL story involving Tom Brady coming up in a
couple of minutes. But first coming off this big day
in Major League Baseball yesterday, the Dodgers have another huge

(01:24:36):
walk off win over the Padres. You've already seen something,
Doug that is gonna be a big change in the
game next year because what we've seen in the week
since the trade deadline, have the Dodgers continue to show you, boy,
really need a relief pitcher. We need a back end
uh person opposite of Kenney Jansen in case Kenny Jansen
is overused and can't throw the ball like he used to.

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We're playing for October. You've seen the Red Sox go
from I don't know if we're gonna make any moves
because we're right in the thick of it too now.
Their seasons just about done. They've lost eight in a row,
and the Mets, who didn't make a move, suddenly have
become the hottest team in baseball, which I'm happy about.
And there are three games out of the wild Cards.
Mets made a move well they move that. No one

(01:25:18):
understood they're like the right, but they didn't. At the deadline,
it was boy or the Mets really contenders, they should sell,
they should trade, Todd Frasier. Zach Wheeler was someone who
was mentioned to go to a lot of teams, could
have helped. The Astros really wanted Zach Wheeler. And in
a week they've gone from hey, we're on the fringes too.
Were in the thick of this. So what we've seen
now just in a week guaranteed next year this this

(01:25:40):
fall owners meetings, trade deadline, they like the one trade deadline.
It's gonna get pushed to the middle of August because
already you're seeing teams where okay, now we see things
a little bit clearer and will be more active at
the trade deadline, whether we are buyers or sellers. And
then I think, you know the Red Sox where last year,
last year feel like they could pick their score and people,

(01:26:00):
and now they've lost seven row and they're quickly fallen,
fallen out of any hope of making that second wild
card spot. Like that, to me, is is fascinating because
you know baseball was on a path there was a
time there you could say, is not a path to
getting their kind of dream scenario, which is getting the
Dodgers in there, getting the Yankees and getting the Red
Sox as well as the Astros. So you have like

(01:26:20):
the three best teams and then you get the Red
Sox and now of a sudden, you know your your
ratings in your postseason, which you're judged by Spike out right.
But you're still on course right now for the Dodgers
and the Yankees. But you're still on there. Although the
Astros making the huge move of the deadline, look they
went out and god Zack Granky, that was a huge look.
I like aggressiveness. They went out and made the move
they needed to, thinking, Hey, this could be our year

(01:26:42):
because so many teams, I get it when they say, ah,
you know, we don't know. Can we go all in
for one game? Can we make these moves knowing that
full well, if we have a bad day on the
play in game, our season's done. We've given away a
couple of players that could have been lynch pins for
us for the rest of the year. I understand that
part of it, but seems like the Astros and the
Yankees and the Dodgers that are playing for late October,

(01:27:04):
you're playing for second round of the playoffs, and the
n L and a L c s. I don't get
why they were the teams that were like, yeah, I
don't know, the Astros had guts and now they're just
as big a favorite as the Yankees, maybe even more
so to get to the World Series. We'll see, Uh, well,
we'll see. I I just I don't love the narrative
that like the Dodgers if they don't win the World
Series and somehow failure this year. They've had an unbelievable

(01:27:27):
year in terms of walk off wins right now, which
have a tendency to even out at the end of
the day. Um, and if you can keep putting yourself
in position to play in the postseason, it's it's such
a um. What's it called. It's such a limited uh window?
Not window when when you have a slip disc differential.

(01:27:48):
Come on, No, it's the word I'm looking. It's a
it's a short, small sample size, such a small sample size.
I tried to go my cousin Vinnianti with that's okay. Now,
any of us who have watched the Dodgers in the postseason,
the past two years and the Dodgers the regulacy, and
we've seen Kenny Jansen wasn't the guy in the World
Series he was the rest of the season either of

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the past two years, especially two years ago when he's
really great closer, he was just a shell of himself
and he got started to get He got hit pretty
hard by the Astros back then. So I not getting
another option when Kelly Jansen is back there. To me
if that, if that derails your team, that's a massive
oversight by Andrew Freeman. Overvaluation of your prospects. Outside of that,

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you know, I'm not who are you really bringing in
who has proven themselves? You know you you can only
the Dodgers think they play the Dodgers Tax, which is
because everybody knows that we can afford bad salaries, they
want to take more of our assets off our hands
and give us more salaries than we're willing to do.
What we're not We're not getting the same deal as
everybody else is getting. No, but still you only have

(01:28:53):
so many spots. And and every guy the Dodgers bring
up seems to hit three twitches. Like the Yankees. Every
guy comes up hits three twenty hits, walk off, whether
it's Will Smith or somebody else or Maximunt, everybody turns
into a star player. But that's why this is their
year because they've never been this deep. They're starting pitching,
their entire run has never been as good as it
is right now. And Clayton Kershaw is your third best

(01:29:15):
starting pitcher. That's pretty bleep and good. So this is
the year to go out and make sure that, hey,
in the postseason, we have that. Whether it's a lefty
would have been an ideal, but maybe not to have
that option because you want to try to go to
Kenley Jansen for five out saves and but you can't
do that anymore. And he is clearly, while he's still
in a league closer, he's not as good as he

(01:29:35):
was last year, and last year wasn't as good as
he was the year before. Whether it's from overusage and
or just a natural decline of him as fastballs down
a little bit. You have to go out and do that.
And if you have to give up a guy, well
maybe we don't want to do it, but we bring
in a bullpen piece. It's gonna help us. Yeah, you
saw the Nationals were able to do it to bring
in guys. The Braves bring in a couple of guys.
Relievers are cheap. You don't have to give away a

(01:29:55):
ton for a really good relief pitcher. You can get
them and not have to worry about giving up a
guy that's a rate prospect. So that I agree that
could be the biggest thing for the Dodgers. Boy, because
October is a bullpen month. And that's me. But you
talk about starting pitching all you want, but October is
a bullpen month. And we got to training camps and
dual scrimmages, and I got the Chargers camp tomorrow. Chargers, uh,

(01:30:18):
were a little felt like they were a little overwhelmed
by the Rams in their first scrimmage against the Rams.
The brands of the better team, and the Chargers look
like the better team the second time around. Especially, I
think they're at a UC Irvine, which is the Rams
training site. But those are two really good football teams
that train, you know, roughly ten minutes ten minutes from
each other. And and then and then the Patriots, well

(01:30:38):
they have their quarterback, but they're gonna have their quarterback
into his mid forties. This comes in yesterday. Tom Brady
is going to be a Patriot for a little bit
longer than you expect now, whether it is you know,
two years, three years, four years. But Tom Brady got
his quarterback, got his quarterback money. He is now the
fifth highest paid quarterback in the National Football League after

(01:30:59):
signing an ext mention with the Patriots that will pay
him twenty three million dollars this year, an eight million
dollar increase. So Brady, who was making fifteen million now
is going to make twenty three million this year. Still,
he is extremely underpaid when you look at the fact
that he's only the fifth highest paid quarterback in the NFL.
He's done this for the majority of his career as
the pages have been able to build around him because hey,

(01:31:21):
we have more money to bring in other players. There's
already talk that the Patriots are going to use this
money to go get a couple of players, whether it's
a wide receiver, whether it's an offensive tackle. You know, hey,
we got money now to go out and do this
with Brady got paid, But don't have to worry about
giving him thirty five million and hamstringing everybody. So now
Brady is here for at least another couple of years. Yeah, um,
and I do. I I don't necessarily think it's heroic,

(01:31:45):
but I do think that there's a part of it
which he just stuns you. How many other superstar athletes
have been unwilling to do the same. I mean, look,
Friday was about Lebron James and how difficult it is
to work with Lebron James and how he was in
Cleveland because he had the one year contracts. You know,

(01:32:05):
it was intentional for him to motivate the Cleveland Cavaliers
to go out and put a championship level team around him.
But it's like, look, dude, we're gonna try and put
a championship level team around you no matter how many
years you're in your contract, Like you put four years
in your contract which he had with the Lakers, they
could try and put a championship team around you. That's
the true what you do, um, but it it And
and when you take max money and then now you

(01:32:28):
have your friends getting more money than maybe they're they're
worth because they're friends to you and you swear by them.
Now you hamstring your club, which whereas the Patriot way
and what Tom Brady has done is, yes, he has
more financial resources than other guys to do it. But
he could command thirty five four million dollars. Why not.
He's already he he's only has six rings that uh
you know, six rings to his name. But he hasn't

(01:32:51):
demanded it because I do think he realizes at the
end of the day, you've gotta have guys around. You
can't just do it yourself. Well, there's two things with Brady,
Jayson Smith, Doug Gottlieben for Dan and the danzas. Number
one is that there is a bit of Hey, if
I asked for thirty five million, this gives Bill Belichick
the opportunity to say, well, we gotta get younger quarterback

(01:33:11):
and maybe we move on. Because as much as they
work well together, you know they don't like each other.
And you know each of them, you don't know they
don't like each other. I do you doubt the seth
workers from column from last year about how they don't
get along, and look, Tom Brady spends more time away
from the team now power play with with getting rid
of Jimmy Garoppolo. There's not getting along. And then that

(01:33:32):
was a year ago. So you think said they like
each other like I don't think that I I don't
know how accurate that do I do? I think there
are Look, you're with another dude for twenty years and
one's in charge and the other ones, you know, winning
winning the games. There's gonna be some healthy debates. There'll
be some I think, don't like each other and making it. Hey,

(01:33:55):
you know these guys don't like each other, right right,
but you can still work together and not like each other.
And that's what and that's each other. And you know
that Brady wants to be the one to say no, no, no,
this is my team, and Belichick says, I want to
show I can win without Brady, which is where the
whole Jimmy Garoppolo thing came from. I think that's where
the Garoppolo thing came with. I think he just thought
he was he's old, and you wanted, you wanted too
early rather than too late. But but Tom Brady was

(01:34:17):
continuing to prove there was no clue, just no cliff.
He wasn't falling off. He was continuing to play gray.
And no, he didn't play well down the stretch last
season last season, But you're're talking about Mmy Garoppolo two
or three years ago, even the year before, like I understand. Look,
what he's doing is unprecedented. And what Bill Belichick I
likely thought at the time was I have to go

(01:34:38):
by president and Preston tells me this guy's old. Get
it of him a year too early as opposed a
year too late. And go back and look at how
many of the former Patriots they've been able to do
that too. You know, the Richard Seymour's of the world
where they got out a year early, they played one
more year and then the guy was done or fell
off a cliff. So the idea that he was tinkering with, Hey,

(01:34:59):
we got Garoppolo on a rookie deal, and maybe we
can get him on the cheap in order to stay
and be our quarterback. And he's a younger version of
Tom Brady, knowing we lose all that experience, but we
gained it in arm strength and athleticism. I don't I
don't think that. I think that's that's how he operates business.
That's standard operating procedure from Bill Belichick. Now, I think
there's a lot of Bill Belichick saying, I want to

(01:35:20):
show you that it's me that I can I can
do it without Brady. And there's a lot of Brady
who's saying no, no, I want to show you it's me.
So if Brady demands thirty thirty five million, which he
easily could have done, that gives Belichick the chance say, well,
now we need to move out and get younger a quarterback.
Tom Brady has never demanded. But she can't, right, he
but he he had he had three million. You can't.

(01:35:42):
They had two quarterbacks. He trade them both away right
at million? Okay, you can't. You can't say I gotta
push Tom Brady out the door a twenty three million
when you know he was making fifteen million and never
made twenty million in his career up until now. I mean,
he's really been able to do that. You look really
bad if you're Bill Belichick saying, oh sorry, we gotta
get rid of top. But he's costing his cheap and

(01:36:03):
he will not done matter. Got to get rid of him.
But when he makes an outlandish demand or what he
thinks is outlandish, Okay, now this is my opening. So
Brady doesn't give him the opening and basically insures I
can stay here until I decide I want to walk away.
I understand, I understand the hypotheses here throwing out I
don't know that to be to ever been part of
the deal, because this is my recall, is what they

(01:36:26):
did last year and what they did essentially this year,
and what they'll do probably next year is all sort
of one and the same, which is, you know, you
find a way to give him some more, give him
cash upfront early in the season, and then everything else
that's gonna be a capit. You kind of kicked out,
kicked the can down the road. So whenever the year

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is that he does retire or he does fall off
a cliff, there will be a huge penalty for getting
rid of him, and that's when it becomes problem back.
But in the short term, I think they've done an
amazing job managing those salaries and egos that came with him. Well,
that's other part of the conversation. By the point is
that Tom Brady has always taken less because he has
had a life that even the top one tenth of

(01:37:08):
one percent of NFL players want. The fact that he
was able to win early in his career. Win often
become legendary, marry a supermodel who makes more money than
he does, and so he is very comfortable. What drives
Tom Brady is himself and that's what all great athletes have,
that you you drive yourself. But he doesn't have anything
to prove, which means he doesn't have anything to prove

(01:37:31):
with his salary, where Lebron James is always going to
feel like he's proving himself for the rest of his career.
People who want to doubt him because Lebron is polarizing. Okay,
I have to make the most money. I keep out
to taking the max because it's it's what I see
is my worth and it helps me say, hey see
this is proving how how I am. But that's why
Tom Brady is different because he has that if he

(01:37:53):
if Tom Brady had never won, he would he would
be a different story. But he still proves himself. He's
winning it. It's never gonna be enough for Lebron James
because he's still gonna fight. He said, he said, I mean.
Part of the article was basically quoting Lebrons saying like
he has nothing more to prove, nothing more to prove
in the NBA. You have nothing more to prove in
the NBA. Waited to prove to people getting paid max money.

(01:38:15):
You have, you have all that money Blaze Pizza and
Beach by Dre. Like you go to your mail every
time you go to the mailbox, there's a check in
it where you're not a build in it for you.
I think Lebron said that as a way to try
to convince everybody that he's got nothing to prove, because
he knows if he doesn't win with the Lakers, what's
gonna happen. I told you Lebron wasn't that good. Kobe
was better, and he hears everything. He hears everything, so

(01:38:37):
he still knows he's got to prove himself because if
he's if he goes out and the Lakers stink and
they can't win, even with Anthony Davis, suddenly look at Lebron.
We always knew. We always knew Lebron whether he went
to the Lakers and failed. And this is when Kobe
and Shack and Kareem and Magic and Worthy and everybody
can go, see you can win someplace else. Tough to
it with the Lakers. See see how tough it isn't

(01:38:58):
even Lebron couldn't do it. And he knows that, and
he that's that's part of his thing, that's part of
his continuing to try to prove himself. Yeah, I I
think that he takes a lot more plays off. I
think he doesn't. You know, he's in Cleveland. He didn't
practice his last year, so he could play in those
at two games, I don't think do I think and

(01:39:19):
when they get if they get to the playoffs, if
to get to the finals, he'll try and prove himself.
Of course he was as a competitor, but I I
think that that it was an accurate portrayal in how
he views things. I've I did something, not just in
winning for Cleveland, but coming from behind three one that
no one thought we could do. We did it, and
because of it, there's nothing more I can win that

(01:39:41):
anybody's going to talk about. I don't think that's true,
but I do think that's how he sees the world.
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about Marcus Mariota. Robert Clemco, NFL reporter, Sports Illustrated Monday

(01:40:22):
Morning quarterback inside it. What's happening, Robert? I'm doing well?
We were you? Were you a big a shotgun beer
guy or no? I still am. I I can do
it faster than any of these players that are doing
it on television. Really. Oh that's awesome. So we're gonna
get the video on social media later on today, right,
maybe maybe at my wedding later this year. The impressive part, Robert,

(01:40:45):
wasn't the shotgun of the beer. It was the biting
into the beer like that was that was teen wolf esque.
That was really really impressive. Look, what I find is
that that's a newer thing with the college SIPs. The
guys that do that actually finished the beer. There's no
chance that he bit that tiny hole in there, the

(01:41:05):
whole thing down. Yes, yes, it takes longer. There's just
that you can't do it. You can't do it in
three or four seconds exactly. Yeah, and you lose the
crowd at that point because after a while it's like, okay,
still drinking, still drinking. Is the next pitch coming yet? Okay?
So no he did it. I'm kind of like, no,
because you have to do it with like your key, right,
you have to kind of open with your key in

(01:41:26):
a big enough spout and then you you crack it open.
You shot gun a beer and it takes a good
i don't know, six to ten seconds to my A
couple of teeth is going to make a tiny hole,
and it's just it's not physically possible. Honestly, I was
a little disappointed and baser there. Wow, he's getting into
the science of it. Is that that's from years and
years of experience. Alright. So so Robert, here's here's the question.

(01:41:50):
I think everyone who I've talked to in football says, look,
he processes what he sees, right, He clearly has the
leadership skills, and maybe they're keaping too much leadership on
him with an inexperienced head coach and with all these personalities,
But does he have the talent to pull this thing
off right because he is still small, He's not crazy

(01:42:12):
athletic like he's Does he have forget the intangibles? Does
he have the tangibles to be the answer to Cleveland's prayers? Yeah?
You know. I I talked with an offensive coach who
had was in Cleveland last year, UM, and we discussed
kind of Baker Mayfield and how quickly he got ahold

(01:42:32):
of the offense. And one of the things we've said
was he'd been coaching over fifteen years in the NFL
and he'd never seen any player pick it up so quickly.
And in addition to that, Baker was the first person
in the building every day. So you combine the work
ethic with the talent, and no matter what he's doing
off the field, I think that that's an example that

(01:42:55):
a lot of players are happy to follow. Um. You
mentioned the young head coach then variants, Uh. I think
that it would do well for Freddy Kitchens to uh
lean on Steve Wilkes in defensive cordinger there. They just
hired head coach experience assistant head coach experience in Carolina
in order to try to manage all these different personalities
because it is a concern, but just based on actual

(01:43:17):
talent alone, the ability to play the game. I don't
think you have to worry about Baker Mayfield disappointing in
you two. I think the scary thing is what happens
when Odell Beckham has a couple of bad games or
the Browns have a couple of bad games that he's
not heavily featured there. Um, he's sown that he's not
mature enough to handle that scenario. So the question is

(01:43:41):
is everybody going to be able to rally around the
Baker Mayfield or Freddie Kitchens? Uh, if there's a distraction
that comes up. That's my thing with Baker is obviously
the elevation of Freddie Kitchens Robert is that he was
Baker's guy. So, now, in any walk of life, whenever
you are someone who has made a higher how much

(01:44:02):
do you always listen? How much do you always buy in?
Because this is not Aaron Rodgers at thirty three, helping
to choose his next head coacher, Tom Brady with his
Super Bowls. This is Baker Mayfield was twenty four, who
needs to take that next step? And I don't know
that he's in a situation where he can be brought
along and Okay, there's the next step in your development,
and here's what's gonna get you the next level. It's
a powder kegs. As long as things go well, things

(01:44:25):
will be great. But the minute they hit adversity, that's
when things are gonna go really south, and go south
really fast. I disagree with you for one reason because
I think Baker has seen how bad it can be
with you there, and the war between Hugh Jackson and
Todd Haley UM and the way that control was sort
of wrestled away from Hugh Jackson early on in Baker's

(01:44:47):
rookie year because he was so ineffective. I think that
Baker has seen how bad it can get, and he
knows how good he has it right now. So there's
that level of respect for Freddy Kitchens where Baker can say,
you were the main reason that I had a successful
rookie season despite me being drafted to this place with
this awful coaching situation. You somehow went from quarterbacks coach

(01:45:11):
to offensive coordinator to head coach and rescued my rookie season.
And I think that there's an element of respect there
with that. Uh the Jets kind of pulled the rabbit
out of their backside a little bit, getting Ryan Khalil
out of retirement, Like that was a major hole and
a major coup. How'd that come to be? Is as

(01:45:33):
good as mine? I mean, I don't think that anybody
in the league saw him coming out of retirement, But
I think it speaks to, um, the talent of a
Sam Donald and the promise of a Sam Donald. Because
I promised you that somebody like Kaleel thirty four years
of age, completely done with the game. Um. He didn't
hear about him shopping for any free agent uh any

(01:45:55):
teams this offseason at all, Um, but he talked about
it in his opening press conference. Fan of Sam Donald. UM,
So I think that speaks to how good Saint Donald
is and how good this rookie class has done. Because
there was a couple of years of drought where um,
you didn't have any quarterbacks picking in the first round.

(01:46:15):
Um that was sought this highly of after their rookie season.
Robert Clemco Monday Morning Quarterback Sports Illustrated NFL Insider. Our
guest here on the Dan Patrick Show. Jason Smith, Doug
Gottlieben for Dan and the dan Nets. You're Titans camp
right now, you're in Lions camp. Last week I told
you where to go to get wings in Detroit? Did
you wind up going there? Did you go Sweetwater for wings? Tremendous? Nice,

(01:46:39):
very good? All right? So I helped you out there.
I did your slid. Uh. In between, you were in
Colds camp and obviously, Andrew lux Calfe, the extent of
this injury is is the biggest injury story of the preseason.
What did you find out while you were there? You know,
I think everybody was concerned, and there was pressure on
Andrew or the staff to come on and saying something thing,

(01:47:00):
and they did. Um. Andrew tells Peter King in his
column this morning that he's expecting to be got week
one and says that's certainly the plan. Um, that's not
the most sharing thing if you're a cult fan, especially
given Andrew's injury history. I know some people are downplaying
the importance of this compared to the shoulder, but I
think one of the things that makes Andrew look great

(01:47:22):
is the ability to move around in the pocket, to
shuffle around looking like a young Ben Roethlisberger. In terms
of his ability to muscle out of contact with defenders
and create space for himself and create passing lanes downfield.
Your calf and your ankle are obviously huge factors in
that UM. I think the cults are a little bit
more comfortable than they may have been in the past

(01:47:43):
with with Andrew possibly missing some time because they like
what they see in Jacoby Brissett, uh one of the
more well thought of backup quarterbacks in the NFL and
just starting to turn things around. And camp had a
slow start, but the day I was there, just had
a tremendous performance UM and and really I think calmed
some people down in that building. Okay, so so today

(01:48:06):
you're at Titans camp and there's a lot of discussion
about how they feel about Marcus Mariota. You've been doing
this long time. What are you hearing? Yeah, you know,
just a little contact. Since the cb A in two
thousand and eleven, there have been two quarterbacks UM that
were assigned to a fifth year option and not extended
at this point in their careers. And one is Jonas Winston,

(01:48:28):
who has, you know, the struggles on field, but combined
with all the circles off the field, and then you
have Marcus Mariotta, who they love off the field, who
they love as a locker room personality, but they don't
know if he's that quarterback of the future. I'm here
this morning, first day of camp. They had a day off, sorry,
my first day camp. They had a day off yesterday,

(01:48:49):
and so I haven't been able to see them practice yet.
I think this first couple of weeks of the season
have been all about developing the relationship between Marcus Mariotta
and Arthur Smith, the new offense of coordinator. Not a
huge name in the NFL, just because he's been an
assistant and a tight ends coach here for most of
his career, but he gets the promotion under a defensive

(01:49:09):
minded head coach and the opportunity to really create his
offensive identity. Um So, I think you're going to see
a Titans offense that looks a little different from last
year and experiments with some of the things that Marcus
Mariotta was more successful with in college. Uh In in
an effort to kind of save his career and his
reputation as a potential franchise quarterback. Robert Obviously, the years

(01:49:33):
you've worked at Sports Illustrated in Monday Morning quarterback. Obviously
a very tragic day yesterday with the passing of Don
Bank's longtime NFL insider. I think I've interviewed him twenty
times over the course of the past ten or fifteen years.
He's been a guest on this show with Dan Patrick
many times. You know what, what do you remember about him?
Working with him? What was it like? Yeah, it's uh,

(01:49:56):
yesterday was a hard day for us in the community.
I mean, me sixty six years old, um, so full
of life, just sets a kind person. Uh. You know.
I met him in two thousand twelve at my first
Ravens game when I was covering the league for us
and them, and he kind of walked me through everything

(01:50:18):
about the postgame process and just had so much time
for young writers and and and being a mentor and
and put aside competition in a lot of areas in
order to help people. Um Don, Don was one of
more honest people that I've ever met in my life,
who will tell you when you're screwing up. I mean,

(01:50:40):
Peter King tells a great story in his Monday Morning
Quarterback column for NBC This Morning about Don telling him
that he was being selfish and talking about his column
being promoted on the website and hanging up in his face. Uh.
He he was an incredible friend to Peter, an incredible
friend all of us. And it's just been a hard day.

(01:51:02):
You fall on Twitter at Robert Clemcoe. Robert has always
appreciate the time. Thanks for stopping by with us. I
know yesterday it was a tough day, but uh, thanks
for not and I we'll look forward to that video
later on this year at your wedding of you shotgunning
a beer with a big enough hole in it. All right,
you realize Baker Mayfield is gonna tweet at you now
and be mad. I mean, you realize that you just
started a war with Baker Mayfield. Just don't tag me

(01:51:24):
in any tweets. Let's just keep this story. That's too late.
I already sorry man, that don't post that. Don't don't
you post idea Robert taking easy enjoy Titans camp my friend.
All right, I actually did I actually I actually tweeted
it out so now and I actually mentioned Baker Mayfield too.

(01:51:46):
Should I not have done that? Probably should not? That's right,
but you know, you know he doesn't make a great
point though he's actually paying attention to the deal. Yes,
he is. You know, you know first thing I always
it always baffles me, the attention spent. Like I could
say something on the radio, whatever it is. You and
I could both say something on the radio on our
shows and say and then we tweet the exact same thing.

(01:52:09):
But because we tweet it, that becomes a much bigger
deal than saying it on the show. And it's it's
I've always baffled by that. That, Oh, the content that
comes out of the speaker, which is what people consume
every day listening, you're driving your work wherever you are.
But if I tweet it, suddenly, oh now it's now,
it's it's even now it's a thing. Now it's because

(01:52:29):
you tweeted it. But I said it. You can actually
have a proof of me saying it. There's there's no
way I could say if I don't if you don't
like it on Twitter, oh I got hacked. I didn't
do that. I had an intern type it for me
running someone else is running my Twitter account. No, if
I could say it now it doesn't matter, but you
tweet it, and then that becomes a whole big thing. Well,
I mean that's it just does when something goes viral, right,
and they it also loses the context to it, which

(01:52:51):
was that was lighthearted analysis, but I think accurate analysis
because I thought even watched like may Man, he he
chugged it that fast and points out, look, if you
use your little vampire teeth, it's just gonna be a
tiny little spout for beer to come out of. And
Baker Mayfield will pay attention to that, because anything on
social media pays attention to and that's where he is

(01:53:11):
great as the twenty one century quarterback. I realized we're
almost a fifth of the way through the twenty century,
but where he is the new level quarterback. He's still
someone that you say something on social media and he's
admitted I check and see what's being said. It's like, dude,
you can't keep doing you can't live that. You can
do that for a little while, but you can't live
like that. You can't live like that as a quarterback
with team going all right, I gotta see who's saying

(01:53:31):
bad stuff about me? Then you turn into Kevin Durant.
Suddenly you have burner accounts. It's like that, how many
burner accounts think Bicker Mayfield has I don't think he
has burned. No. I think he and Cal heard everything
and that's about it. Right. Maybe he and you have
a thing. I don't know. Well he got He came
back at me when I said last year about nobody
wanted the job because you know, nobody wanted the job

(01:53:54):
because Baker Mayfield was could be a coach killer. And
he gave back L O L. Because of course I
said it. Everybody in Cleveland goes, oh, hey, Baker, you
see what this guy is saying about you. And suddenly
that became a thing for a couple of days. Oh
Baker Mayfield, you know, just just hit like or hit
l O L put three three words on a social
media post. It became a whole big thing. And it's
interesting how many guys did reportedly pass on talking to

(01:54:17):
them about the job. I think some of it else
that comes from who do you want to work for
as Joe manager? What are your opportunities there? But I
mean think about now you have it. You would have
had a chance to work with Baker Mayfield and Odell
Beckham Jr. And Jarvis Landry, you know, and Joe Coup
and the defense has some like you're not walking into
a franchise that is so downtried and you have no players.

(01:54:38):
They got dudes there, Dudes, you could have walked in
you just coaching basketball tournament. You could have walked in
there and coached you. Did you like doing a basketball
tournament with TVT Yeah? It was great. Do I have
to say TBT? No, But I mean for people who
are the basketball term is TBT. That's the was on
this weekend. I think they have the championship game upcoming.
It's the Ohio State of Lums against the Marquette Um. Yeah,

(01:55:00):
Travis Deaner suddenly is is is a legend? Yeah, Travis
Deer came down and hit a three elm ending. Right.
It's where you, four minutes ago, whoever is leading you
set the final score. It has to be eight points
more than that. It's It's fun to watch and it
was really fun to be a part. I mean, we
lost on we fouled on a three point shot and
they were three points from the el am ending. But um,

(01:55:22):
outside of that, it was it was a great time.
I was looking on message boards to see if they
were blaming the coaching. There was some coaching air what
would you do different? One thing you do different for
next year. Oh, I mean it. I didn't use my
bench enough in the second half. My guys tired a
little bit, and I wasn't. I was a little too
easy on them because they were professionals on running what

(01:55:44):
I wanted them to run. You know, like early in
the game, we took some we we we should have
had a we we got behind because we took some
bad shots. But I was just kind of letting them
get their sea legs a little bit, and I wasn't
making them turn the offense over. And I felt like
later in the game they would have had a lot
more opportunities. Have we turned over our offense and run it,
because you practice like we practice like three or four days,

(01:56:06):
and we didn't. We had one scrimmage, but we didn't
have two of our players in the scrimmage, and you
didn't want to show it was one of the other teams,
So we don't want to show them anything. So you're
going to get better at executing into the second half.
So I would have I would have made them run
more offense, and then I would have used my bench
more in the second half. Yes or no. Activating yourself
was an option, not not option. No, like you didn't

(01:56:28):
have the jersey on under it and go you don't know,
you know what, You take a seat and sudden you
take off. Now I play in an adult league with
um it's now like adult six NBA assistant coaches on
some level, like most of them are video guys. Once
an assistant GM of a team was a former NBA player,

(01:56:48):
and they're everybody's a former player, a cup to have
played in the NBA. Everybody else has played overseas. And
I think me and one other guy were the oldest.
And I'm just okay, I mean, I just actually I've
gotten to where I'm in shape. Like last night, actually
we played a doubleheader. I was actually okay. I mean
I felt like I felt better. I felt I helped

(01:57:09):
contribute more to the win than holding the team back. Yeah,
I can't. Those guys are professional bast what I've seen you,
and i've seen you play on in games for ear.
You get everybody involved, you get you know you're but
when you're me, they're gonna they they they come at
the week link defensively, that's defensively, Yeah, guys, we're good, yes,

(01:57:31):
And if you switch now you've got somebody who's way
bigger than you, and you're the week link defensively, if
you don't switch to somebody's your size, who's like, you know,
anywhere from five to ten years younger than you, Like
I haven't played competitive professional basketball since I was twenty six.
I walked away. So that's we're we're on, Like, was
it sixteen fifteen years? Yeah? But some of those ESPN
games I saw, like you were getting a contract. Yeah,

(01:57:53):
that's against celebrities who can't play basketball. They still look
pretty good. It was still on television, just because on
television is any game? Twitter at how about a Fresca
Doug at Gottlieb Show, Jason Smith, Doug Gottlieb in for
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(01:58:15):
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(01:58:38):
You know, I I just really quick before you get
into Antonio Brown's field, which is a great segue. You know,
I used to have stress dreams, and I used to
have stress dreams, and for a long time, it was
when you have dreaming and be stressed in your dream
and and you would wake up and oh my god,
it was a very stressful dream. It used to be
where I was in class the last day of the
year in college and either there was a final or

(01:59:00):
a paper do and I didn't study for it, or
I didn't have the paper do, and it was very
I used to have that stress dream a lot. And
now you know, I'm out of college now, and you know,
for a long time, I don't have any more. But
you know what I do have stress dream for. I
have a dream that I'm driving to work to work
and I'm not wearing pants, and I'm like, I'm in
my underwork. I forgot to put pants on it, and
I'm stuck because I'm in a car and I'm on

(01:59:21):
the four or five freeway and what am I gonna do.
I'm gonna get to work and not have pants? What
am I gonna do? And it always wakes me up? Hm.
I used to have a stress dream nightmare back in
the first place he worked, that I would have to
get up to go to the bathroom and then couldn't
get back in the studio in between segments. And now

(01:59:41):
the only thing that when I do early stuff for
early flights, like do you do the way you wake
up every hour? Yeah? Yeah, you think you're gonna oversleep
like uh two o'clock, Uh yeah, then finally get up,
You're like, did I even sleep last night at all? Well? No,
are where we go today with our stress? At least

(02:00:02):
we don't have the stress of having Antonio Brown's feet.
Antonio Brown has been out of training camp so far
for the Raiders. It's not been a good time for
John Gruten, who has said, look, we'd all like to
have Antonio Brown here. Mysterious foot ailment has kept him out.
Antonio Brown said, well, I'll show you what's been keeping
me out, and he puts out a picture on Instagram

(02:00:22):
yesterday showing you the bottoms of his feet and they
look like I they looked like the feet of an
eighty year old man who has been kept inside without
any sort of hygiene for a long time. Because it's
he's just got dead skin that you can just pull off.

(02:00:44):
I feel like you just pull him off the bottom
of his feet. It's it's incredible. I can have some
of it has been pulled off super super like pink
red ish. It's like a foot long. Like the length
of his feet is like a one huge blister. My
question is how to do this? Right? Did he? I mean, like,
how would you do something like that? Did you wear
the wrong shoes? Did you? Uh? Were you walking on

(02:01:07):
hot coals? Like that? You said walking on hot coals?
I thought that was pretty interesting, Like that's like, hey,
guess what a b you have a lot of money. Hey,
for a hundred thousand dollars, I'll let you come and
walk on hot coals. That's not what you walk. You
walk on hot coals though, right to show your level
of concentration, and if you're seeing any of his training
stuff where he's doing all this balance you people are
throwing him sledgehammers while he's trying to balance on things. Um,

(02:01:29):
but that has to be a training regime, regiment gone wrong,
doesn't it I would assume so well, something's gone wrong
with his feet. I just keep thinking of gold Member.
I wanted to like, he's gonna pick off the bottoms
and start eating the skin like Mike Myers did. Hope,
but look it's so good, So no, no, stop doing that. Okay.
I mean, that's what I think of when I see
the I don't know why. I think my brain is
a little weird like that, but that's what I see.

(02:01:51):
I see the gold Member stuff, I think of somebody
biting off that skin, and I'm disgusted by it. Thank
you for that mental image. How you're well come? I
figured I got I leave you with something today. I
understand that, like load management is part of this deal.
But when you're Antonio Brown and there are questions about
you quitting on your team last year, even if no
one's question your work ethic, you need to be out

(02:02:12):
there with your quarterback and this that's a But the
good news is when you hear foot problems, usually think
broken foot, and that's not what this is. So I'm
sure it'll heal. So fantasy players or Antonio Brown fans,
you'll be fine when your guys back. See. I think
this is one of those. Oh well, I got I
got foot issues here. Oh wait a minute, I don't
need to go to camp the first couple of weeks.

(02:02:34):
I can sit out a little bit and not have
to worry about the no, no, no. I think this
is one of those. Not intentionally, but this is an
unintended consequence of it. Oh hey, I can I can
milk this and skip some a camp. I don't need
to rush to get back. Look at my feet, Show
you how they look nasty? These are I've I've seen
some feet, and I'll tell you what these are not.

(02:02:54):
These are not neat the Peterman's feet, the feet right here.
I wouldn't have feet like that. Net that Nathan Peterman.
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(02:03:39):
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