June 19, 2024 • 37 mins
Jason and Mike join the baseball world in mourning the passing of the Legend Willie Mays. They explain why Willie Mays catch it STILL is the greatest defensive play ever made in sports. And Round II Caitlin Clark/Angel Reese was the most watched WNBA game in over 20 years!
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As we talk about the death of one of the
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all time greats in any sport. News coming in about
forty five minutes ago that Willie Mays has passed away
at the age of ninety three. Say, hey, kid made
twenty four All Star Teams twenty four, twenty four All
Star Teams twenty four twenty four. That's with missing two
years due to war.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, well he missed two years due to war and
he started his career in the Ego leagues. Yes, so
he had just gotten ten hits added to his total. Yeah,
because that was always one of those you know, trivia
things you'd do with your jackass buddies of the all
time leaders and hits and whatever, and you'd have Maze's
stats were always.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Part of it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Home runs and hits and everything else. He got those
extra ten.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I mean I always wondered, like, with all of that going,
was he really was he older? Like? Was he was
that his real? Was he really that old? Was he? Would?
We have been stunned to god? Yeah, he was actually
eight years older than he was when he was well,
I mean, he had were some kind of career.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But you and I, You and I were joking, right,
You and I were joking a little bit. Coming in
my earliest memories of Willie Mays, right, the old Home
Run Derby series that they played an old Wrigley Field,
not the Wrigley Field that you know, but the other one, uh,
and guys would sit and have interviews, and it was
really the only time you'd see these guys. Right during
the season, you'd get maybe a Game of the Week
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and then obviously for us, you know, you had the
Cubs on WGN and or whatever, but you know that
was your exposure not only to current players right this
week in baseball whatever, but the home Run Derby of hey,
let's celebrate this in the past. And then they'd sit
and interview guys and just shoot the breeze while the
other guy was hitting. So like talking my grandpa, my dad.
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It was always you know, Willie May is the best
of all time, right, and they'd cite all these different
things and you know, the five tools.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
And whatever else.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But I was I remember from the nineteen seventy three
tops card, which was, oh.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, where he looked?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And I kid you not compare the last known photos
of Willie Mays as a ninety year old ninety one
year old, he don't look much older than he did
in that final nineteen seventy three. Yeah, I mean so
when we talked about his Mets tenure, Yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Mean like it ends with the Mets. Look, and that's
gonna come up a lot, obviously, you know, him ending
with the Mets and how he was at the end
of his career and he stumbled in the World Series
of people treating it like, oh my goodness, the guy
can't but his career. Like you talk about Willy Mays
and growing up, there was never a debate as to
who the greatest baseball player of all time was. It
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was always Willy Mays. Like I was always told Willy Mays,
and the answer was always Willy Mays, right, Like obviously
I was too young to see him. The very end
of his career at the Mets was a little bit
before I started. It was a year before, Like I
started watching baseball when I was four. But I missed
the seventy three series. I missed Yogi Bera, you know,
moving up Tom c for a day when he shouldn't
have let him save him for condot Anyway, come on,
(04:04):
you were a kid, But like, there was never any
it was no Willie Mays is the gross There's Willy
was the greatest of all time, and Mickey Mantle could
have been, but this this, this right, injuries and obviously uh,
destroying his body, all of those things that had been
well chronicled, but Willy Mays was always just held up
as the standard, much like we talked about last week,
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you know, with with the passing of Jerry West. It
was always the same thing, like you know, and and
thank my my, my dad, my uncles and everybody you
know for recognizing, you know, greatness and saying, hey, if
you're gonna watch clips of guys, these are the guys
to to.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Go and emulate. And and you know, it passes the
test of time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Now before we get into Willie and the catch and
his legacy. Uh, this is just really odd and it's
something to bring up just because it It wowed me
when I saw it, and I had to take a
breath in. There was a minor story yesterday, and I
say minor stories in the grand scheme of headlines. Willie
Mays was supposed to go this week to Rickwood Field
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in Birmingham, one of the most famous ballparks in the
history of baseball, the oldest ballpark in the country, most
famous for being home to the Birmingham Black Barons of
the Negro Leagues from in the early nineteen twenties until
nineteen sixty. I think, and there's gonna be a game there,
and Willy was supposed to go. And the Cardinals are
playing the Giants, and Willy was supposed to go. And
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he put out a statement yesterday saying I can't make it.
I'm not I don't get around like I used to.
I wish I could make it there because I have
so many great memories because he played at rickwood Field.
He and Satchel Page played at rickwood Field. All these
ledges played at rickwood Field. And he put out a
statement that was saying, listen, it's means so much. I
just don't get around much and I can't get there.
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But let me read you some of the state the
end of his statement. Here thinking about this, this is
a statement that he put out a day ago about
playing at rickwood Field. Rickwood became my training ground, my start,
my first job. When things change in forty seven with
Jackie Robinson coming in, well then I started a dream big.
You never forget your first rickwood Field is where I
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played my first home game. Rickwood Field is still here?
So am I how about that? Like that was whoa whoa,
whoa whoa. I was like, no, no way, he didn't wow,
because it sounds like what even though he was ninety three,
whatever it was was very sudden, just when you're ninety three,
I can't fly across country like this and get here
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and get you know, you don't get around as much.
I mean, you're talking about a guy that was born
in nineteen thirty, you know. So he said that happens
that way. I mean saying, listen, But he se this
seemed like a statement that he put out that you know,
you read the statement. It seemed like it was something
that he said, wasn't written for him, didn't have this
professional AI part of it. He talks about, Hey, I
knew about it as a kid. It was always there.
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I grew up with rickwood around the corner. It was
within reach. I didn't dream about the impossible. So this
statement seems like it's really it's from Willie saying this.
So even though ninety three, it seems like this was
incredibly sudden. But I just I can't get over reading
that last line. Rick Woodfield is still here, Saul, am,
I how about that, and and and he puts out
the statement, and and a day later he passes away,
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and they're gonna play a game there this week. And
it's just it's really, I really, I just can't stop
thinking about that part of it and reading that statement
over and over again.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, it's just uncanny, and you know, one of those
cosmic things, and you know, we ponder the things far
larger than ourselves. You have a tribute game going on
tonight as well, and as they announced it, the crowd
everybody got to a standing ovation that lasted several minutes
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when it's all saiden. The video of that is starting
to make the rounds in socials as we speak. But yeah,
that kind of statement, right, passage of time, legacy, legend,
and you know, we we think about it whenever a
new season begins, right, because baseball has always been so
great about history, and this decision to have a game
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at rick Wood this week, I mean, our own Rob
Parker very excited about this and covering it and what
it means to the game to you know, trying to
continue to explore the history like they did with merging
of the stats, and however you feel about that, it's
done but what it does is it shines the light
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on the players from that era and that we can say,
you know, Willie Mays is such that a part of
all of that and all of that continuum. And to
have that statement come out yesterday, because you showed me
that yesterday of like, hey, you know, this is this
week and whatever, and it was just kind of like,
it's pretty damn cool. Yeah, right, Like, because I'm in
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the process of going through all my cards member of
BILLI or whatever. I've had the had the opportunity a
couple of times years ago to meet him at Hall
of Fame things, whatever, brief encounters, but always appreciative of
you know, folks still lining up fifty years after he'd retired,
you know, to come and to come and get an autograph,
you know that kind of thing. Boy, You know, just
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thinking of all of the time passages and what he
meant to this game and the outpouring of emotion across baseball.
You know, you lose one of these these legends that
that bridged all these generations.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know, you want a great that you want to
know a great story about what kind of baller Willie
Mays was. Two thousand and seven they had the All
Star Game in San Francisco, those first time they had
been there in a long time. And I was there
because I was working for ESPN Radio and they sent
me to the All Star Game because I think, honestly,
because it was the cheapest flight they could send people
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from Bristol, but they sent my show. They sent me
to go and I did shows with Steve Klein, a
former Giants in the afternoon. So we're at the Bait
We were doing shows from the Baseball Experience and Cal
Ripkin is doing some sort of event front of us,
and there's a whole bunch of stuff, a lot of
cool stuff, right, So I do I fill into in
the afternoons from there. So I go to the game
and before the game, uh, you know, there's a lot
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of pageantry and things happening, and I'm in the lower
deck and Willie Mays comes out and he comes out
to for and I forget what they did. I forget
what he what they did for him, what they honored
him with. But this is what I remember, this kind
of baller Willie Mays was, is that he was in
a car and they drove him around the dirt. That
that butts up against the the dugouts and around the fence, right,
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so he's coming down there, he's coming. He's in he's
in a convertible obviously, and they and he's having these
throwing balls out to the two people in the stands
and as all these kids are there and they got
you know, and they're with gloves and everything. Well, they
get to a point and I'm going, Okay, this maybe
wasn't well thought out because they get to a point
where you get to the netting and and I'm going, oh, man,
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the netting. But what's he gonna You've got all these
balls left, and the dude is and and this is
Willie Mays and what it do. And I didn't really
think about this until after I saw it, and I
watch the replay because I'm watching it going, oh my god,
he's throwing the ball into the net Like he's just
throwing the ball into the netting. What's he doing? Like
these balls are the netting? And then I went and
watched replay. He's trying to throw the ball over the
next seventy seven Yeah, and he's like he's like scooching
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down in the back of the car and he's trying
in his seat and he's trying to flip it up
and throw the balls over the netting to get to
the kids, because it's all kids there which the ball
and he's trying. I'm going, oh my god, I'm seventy seven,
I'm still gonna throw if you still get to throw
the ball over the netting into the stands. And that
was just an incredible moment where it turns out looks like, oh,
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you see it on Fay's value, go, oh what's he doing?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Man?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Come on, Willie, will you throwing the ball over the
net No, he's he's trying to throw it. You can
see it, and there's gyps of it online where you
see him and he's just trying to flip.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It, trying to figure out his law. Nentangle, Where can
I throw entangle? Before lo nentangle became a thing? Really,
I thought it was going to take a really unexpected twist.
And he kind of got himself out of the car
and started climbing the net like he was Spider Man.
Is really where I thought you were gonna take that,
And all of a sudden, the balls.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, no, no, no, he was trying to throw the
ball out, going oh, man, and then of course then
they had somebody walking behind that was getting the balls
and then was throwing it. So I think they were
marked with something like special All Star balls, No I'm
going out or something like that, commemorative things, you know,
to authenticate and whatever. Hey, there's when I'm like, oh
my god, you get to see Willie Mays, right, because
because I always think back of the moment, you know,
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Ted Williams the All Star Game, and what that moment
was like when he came out in the outer back. Everybody, yeah,
and they brought him and everybody went out to the
field to see him, right because they knew.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It was tough him and to Gwynn, yeah, get him
out to the mound.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah. So so they all got to see him, Like
what a great And I see Willy and I'm like, okay,
because this is the guy, like this is my whole life.
This is the guy that I've been told and obviously
again too young to see him play, but the legend
and the video and what you've seen and what you've
heard about him is just he's There's not many guys
that you can are larger than life, especially nowadays when
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it's so easy, when when you can interact with your
favorite players and you see them so much, you know,
but certainly especially of the past. But Willie was one
of those guys that of the larger than life guys.
He was incredibly larger than life. For five years.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
If if there was even a rumor that he was
showing up at a game, the walk up gate was ridiculous
and people were eagle eyed hoping to find some glimpse
of a car holding up that might have him.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It was.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It was that kind of presence UH in the Bay Area, UH,
and the celebration of him therein likewise of Cooperstown. When
I lived out in upstate New York, right, we'd get
out there for Induction Week and everybody would be out there,
you know, with their card tables and signing autographs, or
they'd have a big show whatever. But it was always
when they got ready to do the parade. If he
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was in town, it all stopped when when he turned,
Like everybody, it's like, all right, will he's there, that's it.
We're not selling you have. I don't have any rookies.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I do.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I do have a third year that I posted up on.
He wouldn't be working if he had a Willie May's Rookie. No,
I probably would wouldn't have if it was high up grade. No, no,
he would, oh god worth high grades worth a couple
of hundred grand at this point.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, we tire on that. No, he just wouldn't be working.
He would just haven't would look at it every day.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, I'd probably just be flipping cards all the time.
But no, I did post a picture. I do have
a PSA four of his fifty four tops that's been
in my collection for a long long time, as well
as my All Century book commemoring commemorating that that whole thing.
My brother went and got it at a signing. He did,
He and Hank Aaron did three of them. Uh, and
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Willie had problems with his eyes. So it was like
no flash photography, very big rule. So guys going through
the line, my brother gets the books on, next guy
does the flash photography. Aaron says, we're done. Sorry, we
warned you.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
We're out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
So I have a nice book that was originally signed
by Aaron and Mays that I added like another forty
signatures to. But a little bit of history there.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Exit. How about a Fresca exit swollen dome throughout tonight,
we'll continue to remember the life of Willie Mays. In fact,
coming up next, Yes, the Willie Mays catch is the
greatest defensive play made in any sport of all time.
And we'll tell you exactly why you think. You've seen
it a million times, and we'll tell you exactly why
this play is still looked at as the greatest. And
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it happened in nineteen bleep in fifty four, and it's
still the greatest. That's next right here, Jason and Mike.
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
The Power of Grimace knows no bounds. The Mets were
trailing this game six ' to two. Francisco Alvarez, who
I can make a pretty good case as being the
real NLMVP when.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We play seventeen and one in his last eighteen games.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
When he plays, hey, look how good they are? He
doubles to the gap in left center that ties the
game with the Rangers six apiece. Now, the power of
the Grimace era telling you the.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Powers era's tour, you know, to parallel that of Miss
Swift that's now running around Europe and in other news.
Edmonton looks like, hey, we're gonna keep this series live,
Florida going.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We're three in the third period.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Clipse, Look, maybe the hate on Jack Nicholson died down
a little. Yeah, yeah, they had banged the boy. They
got blitzed out of the gate.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
What did uh? What was Edmonton's line? Drag him back
to Alberta And so that was that was the line? Uh?
So Edmonton leads Florida four to three. Stanley Cup could
be awarded tonight. It might not be, but it doesn't
matter because we're in the Grimace Era. We're in the
Grimace Era. Willie May has got to see the Grimace
era he did, he saw the grim Now we're gonna
get to his catch in a second. But you know,
I because I forgot about this story. You want a
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great uh Willie May's story. Uh about this is when
my dad first moved to Los Angeles And it was
like in twenty ten, I want to say. And one
of the first things that that that was going on was, uh,
it was a night with Sandy Kofax, Like Sandy Kofax
was gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
He did that speak yet I remember when interview.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
In La Live and I'm going, this is a real
force him and is a real thing, Like this is
a real thing. Yeah. And but the night there was Cofax.
This night, I'm like, I want to take my dad
to see it. So I take my dad to see
it and and uh we go down there and it's
we're in the audience and Sandy Colfax is that are like,
oh my god. It's like I'm just like seeing a yetti.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He's the right whale. Yeah right, I mean, like they
was saying with Willy Mays up in San Francisco, it's
the same thing. Sandy's here like spring training rumors of
when he's going to show up or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Crazy. So he comes out and sits down, and the
interviewer was TJ. Simers, who just passed away, uh not
too long ago, a big writer and personality here in
Los Angeles. And the first thing they did was introduce
Sandy Colfax. Every gives him a standing ovation and he says, now, now, Sandy,
I want to say, when did how many times did
you try to hit Willy Mays? How many times you really?
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I mean you really looked like sometimes you try like
he's And I'm like, wow, what a way to open right,
this kind of question. You could have said. You could
have said anything right, You could have said anything. But
it says, you know because I remember some game. There
are some big famous game, some famous playoff type game.
You tried to hit Willie and and you know this
guy Cofax already is just grinning. So I'm like, Okay,
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he knew the right question to get him going, not
just you know Sandy your career, you tried to hit Willie, right,
And so the first thing Sandy called, he shakes his head,
he goes, you couldn't hit Willie. Nobody could hit Willy.
That was one of the whole things that will he
May's always had. You couldn't throw inside on him, You
couldn't intimidate because you couldn't hit him. You tried, He goes,
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I tried. You couldn't hit Willie. You just couldn't hit him.
You couldn't hit him. And he's talking and not loud
enough to disrupt everything, but loud enough to be heard
in the roads around me. My dad just goes, that's right, Like, Dad,
Oh my god, what Dad?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We're at?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It is right? Not in the living room, Dad, Dad,
You're not in a living room. You're not. We're here.
He just goes, that's right. And then for the next
minute he talked about what a great player Willie Mays was,
but just how such it was, such a thing where
you know, you think about, you know, throwing at a
guy when he's hitting you, or you want to back
him off the plate or some kind of look at
the strategy. He said, you couldn't hit him. You couldn't
hit Willy. He would always get out of the way,
and you were just wasting a pitch. You were like
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throwing a pitch. It was just going to be a ball.
Couldn't hit Willie.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Two thousand and nine hundred and ninety two career regular
season games, ten thousand, eight hundred and eighty one official
at bats, fourteen hundred walks, two hundred intentional walks. He
was hit by forty four pitches in his career.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
In ten thousand bats he got hit by a pitch
forty four times.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, nearly what twelve thousand, twelve thousand, and five hundred
plate appearances he got hit forty four Only Mookie.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Batts and Aaron Judge knew how to do that. Yeah,
it's true. Man, I'll never forget that, and I'll never
forget my dad going that's right, Like, that was right.
And the thing is because my dad's tall, Like you know,
I'm five nine, but he's like six to two. I
get my mom's height unfortunately, but like so like everybody
knew he said it, like, and everybody's kind of they're
all reverential. Listen to Sandy Kofax. Wow, he's telling this
great story. You couldn't hit Willy.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Maga because he's never there, Like yeah, Sandy, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Like I can't believe he's still on this. I'm still
getting over the fact he's still on the stage, right,
because Kofax appeared with Joe Tory, and Joe Tory apparently
asked Sandy Kofax to do this, uh, and Sandy said yes,
And and I remember Tory said, I didn't know what
was going to happen. I asked I, and then he
said he'll be here, so okay, like and then he
showed up. So it was called an evening at home
or safe at home or something. They did a few
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of these. Yeah, and because my dad and I'm looking
around them embarrassed because now you know, my dad is
so much taller than just about everybody in the audience,
because and he's sitting there with his Yankee hat on,
and I'm like, come on, Dad, yes that's right, but Max,
Katie and Kate Fear. I'm just laughing.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Dad smoking his cigar the chair in front of him,
a mad man.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But look obviously, yes a lot tonight on the passing
of Willie Mays. Uh, maybe the greatest ball player of
all time if you got to see him. I was
always told he was the greatest player that never never changed. Yeah,
he finished with the Mets, and it did. He was
like frifty right and nah he was. He that's a
thing where we were just talking about, right, who knows,
nah he was in he was in his he was
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forty two, forty three when the Mets got him, they
went to the World Series. Uh and and that was
how he ended his career.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
But think about the longevity there, right, as we celebrate
guys in the modern era, when we talk about Brady
TB twelve and all the money spent in on different
remedies to keep the body going. Lebron James famously, you know,
in his training, plus his food whatever else, he's going
to be forty years old and spends a million dollars
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plus a year, all of these kind of things. Looking
at your guy, Aaron Rodgers, whatever we get from him,
he gets to his fortieth birthday that we celebrate that
go back, Williams was forty plus, right, Well we look
at him and you look at Nolan Ryan, like their
medical marvels compared to what like many of their counterparts did.
Like when you look at longevity, there were very few
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guys that made it made it through unscathed with that
kind of tenure in Major League Baseball or any other
sport for that matter.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Now, when it comes to Willie Mays. You are seeing
one thing, and you will be seeing one thing for
the next twenty four hours. And it's probably a play
you've seen a thousand times, and I'm being generous to
say at least a thousand times. And that is his
catch off of Vic Wurtz in the nineteen fifty four
World Series the Giants and the Indians. And you've seen
the catch with Willie Mays. Dead set sprint to center
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field with his back turned, and he turns up the
glove and he makes the catch, and he knows he's
a runner on base tagging up, so he turns and
throws the ball back in and spins and falls down
and again. Growing up, I was always told this is
the greatest catch of all time. And you know, when
you're a kid and you hear about, hey, this is
a great catch. You're thinking of someone running and diving
and sliding or jumping over the wall. Either think and
(23:47):
you see this catch and you go, oh, well, he
was running and he caught it, and he turned he
threw it back. Okay, but you also that's greatest catch, right.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Well, but you also look at it and say, how
big is this damn ballpark?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Well, I mean, obviously camera angles much different than what
we have now, but it seemed like he was playing
in a cavern. I think center field was for forty
at the Polo Grounds. I think it was four forty,
which is what it was also in Tiger Stadium for
a long time. I think about four forty to center field,
Like you had a fly, but it's not going out.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's like two forty at the Yankee Standard. Yeah, especially
down down the line.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, you're at like three or seven or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, But before we get into and just understanding when
I learned just how this was the most difficult catch
to be made and why it's probably the most incredible
defensive play in the history of sports. Here's what it
sounded like when it happened again in nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
There's a lot that what cut what.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Mets Radio Network on the productions the catch in the
World Series when you talk about, you know, not building
a case for being the greatest catch, but it is
in the World Series that the Giants went on to win.
It was. It was an unbelievable play when it was made,
But when you watch the play and you think about
I don't want to say the luck, but the educated
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talent that it took for him to make that play.
Because he's running, the ball is hit directly over his head, right,
and you hear that all the ball directly. Yes, everybody
says it's because you've seen the Willie Mays play. Yes,
hardest catch out. But when you get towards the end
and he's running back, and he's running back and he
knows that I can't I can't continue to drift back
and run with my body tilted to the to the play.
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I have to turn and sprint. And so it turns
and sprints the last fifteen yards. And when you turn sprint,
you can't see the ball. So what he had to
do was see where the ball was coming and sprint
and without looking back where he thinks the ball is
gonna go. I mean like that's I mean, you're you're
(26:04):
not saying I can't sit, you can't see the ball.
And I see it, and I go, I think this
is where the ball is gonna be. Because you watch
that and he's not looking at the ball. He didn't
see it come over his head. He lost sight of
it at some point and to be able to still
go and and and you see it's not just a
lucky catch because he would have had his he would
have said, okay, it's going I'm gonna put my glove
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straight in front of me, right, that would have you say, okay,
that's just a lucky catch. Where he's running and he
put his gloves straight out, but you see he puts
it out a little bit to the left, like that's
where I know the ball is gonna land. And it
lands right in the center of his glove, like to
say to know that, Okay, I'm gonna put my glove.
And that's how you know what kind of catch it is,
because if you're saying, Okay, I'm gonna blindly stick my
glove out and hope the ball hits it, but this
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was I think the ball is gonna be here because
it's a little bit to the left and and his
and the ball hits right in the center of it,
and you're like, oh my god. And it took me
a while, obviously to become a more sophisticated baseball fan
to understand that player. I know that I really understood
that until I was like seventeen or eighteen, But I
remember when I first saw the play, like my friends
and I got and try to try to recreate it.
I was gonna throw it. You try to run and
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put your glove up a catch, and you can't.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's like, I got, I can't catch Oka't you know
what He's good?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You would. I would try to run with my head
like so all the way back so I could see
it coming over my head and I got.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You try to try it over one shoulder or the other.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, and then you realize you're not running anymore, and
the ball is like you put your glove out now
and now it's like twenty feet away and it goes
down the street and it's in the gutter, and I
gotta go get it. I mean that that. It took
me a long time to understand just just that part
of that play that he doesn't he loses side of
the ball and still he knows where it's going to land.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That's Amata execution twelve gold Gloves to go along with
those twenty four All Star appearances. In prepping as we were,
you know, waiting for our turn to come on air
and doing some you know, cursory, you know, looking around.
Found an article on Yahoo that has some great quotes
from a twenty fourteen interview that he did. First off,
he starts off by saying, quote, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
No lucky catch.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Talks about you know the key he if that gets down,
it's at least two runs, he's on third base, and
then we got to score three.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
But this is great. But to him, it was just
another play that happened to come on the biggest stage.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I usually catch fly balls like that all the time.
But now you're talking about a World series. You're talking
about something that doesn't happen all the time. And even
you make a catch like that, which I did in
the regular season, but to catch it and away where
the world's looking at you, it's remarkable, I think. And
then they ask, you know, where was it on his
list of catches?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I never rte catches. It's important to try to catch
everything out there. This is my theory. I don't know
how other people think.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I feel.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
If I started ranking him, you guys would have nothing
to write about. So I never did worry about things
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean, just think about how this is a play
that happened in nineteen fifty four and it's still viewed
as the greatest catch, greatest defensive play in baseball history
and probably the greatest defensive play in any sport because
of the degree of difficulty on it, and it's never
been surpassed.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But in the in the modern era, what what gets
shown the most the Jeter flip thing yeah, or ball
bouncing off Jose con Seco's head.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Ye yeah. Now, the degree of because the degrees. But
the Geter play was great for many reasons because it
was such a heads up play, and it was it
was a great athletic play from to get there and
make it. But the degree of difficulty of running, grabbing it,
turning and flipping, which is what a middland field does
all the time, compared to okay, you don't see the
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ball anymore with your back to the make the catch.
I mean, how do you do that.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And then spin and get the ball back in? Because
I would have cut?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I got it, I got it, Yeah, I got Oh.
Oh crap, he's taking the crowd like you're Maximus, and
and and just how fast he gets that ball back
is because if you if you catch like that, how
many guys need another ten feet to stop and turn
and throw And he just does it one body control,
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turn and quickly just chucks it and gets it back
in because he knows, hey, I got this guy's tagging
up and I'm gonna make that play. The only other
one that may come close is when Jim Edmonds did
the same exact thing, and what was it like? Ninety
seven was a great catch to yes, that was a
great catch.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Although nobody liked to dive for balls more than Jim Edmonds,
he did, and he'll just show you, hey, look look
I got there.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, short, short in his career by about ten years,
but he had a lot of style points for the
dive plays.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Like you know, he probably could have gotten there but.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Exit out bout of Fresca, exit swallendope. Never been a
better defensive play in sports than Willie Mays is catching
fifty four. Watch it and you you'll see new things
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seven six lead in the ninth inning. We just saw
the giant entry.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Oh ed.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Grimace, Jason Era.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Just fast forward the season and give you guys the
world series.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
This ever in my lifetime. But Grimace, you may never
lose again.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
No, no, I mean unless, well unless dis gives it up.
How about a great thing though your lifetime and devotion to.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I just had to wait for Grimace. I just had
to wait. You never had it so good. I had
to wait for Grimas, But you had to wait for Grimace.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And now it gives you an excuse to keep that
streak alive. You have to be some become superstitious, not
just stitious, you gotta be superstick issues and go every
day to get some sort of McDonald's eit of this.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
If you weren't already, someone tell me when you're five
years old and you love McDonald's and the Mets equally. Yes,
just wait until twenty twenty four and then it will
all come together. It's gonna come together. Just made another
forty five years. You're good, don't worry about It'll be fine.
Truly amazing. As the ninth inning does not begin well
for the Mets, as a bloop single that Mark Fiano's
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can't track down puts the leadoff runner on Oh boy,
Mets you. The last few days has been filled with
controversy about the WNBA, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, the flagrant foul,
and it just continues to roll. But this is something
different from it, right, this is something different to understand
(32:47):
that when we talk about this stuff, the w has
now become part of the fabric of what we do
every day. That's why this is Oh I can't believe you. Yeah,
people are crazy because we're talking about the WNBA for
the first time as part of an everyday occurrence in sports.
It's a thing, right, that's why we talk about it. Oh,
(33:08):
this flagrant foul happens there. Yeah, but you know what
if it happens in the NBA, when Draymond Green does it,
we talk about it. Right. When big plays happen in sports,
we talk about them. So don't be suddenly, Oh I
can't believe we're talking about this. I can't believe we're
doing this. I can't believe we're doing this. No, no,
we're doing this because it's part of the conversation. Now
you're in. You're in part of the conversation. And for
all of the controversy about this, realized this is this
(33:31):
is part of how it goes now. Yeah, you're in.
The Caitlin Clark Angel Reese game on Saturday is the
highest rated WNBA game in twenty three years.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, Sunday morning, twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Three years, the highest rated game people watch.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Incredible for a noon start, Yes, yes, time, Like literally
I got off there to watch the end of the Yeah,
I got off the air with Ryan Hollins and they
were finishing warm ups. We'd already seen all the video
is the rivals and the outfits and everything else like
they've done with both the w and with the NBA,
and they were getting ready for tip off as I
rolled out.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean, it was it's a they're doing great things
every single week and understand this because this is the
this is the biggest thing and this is the best part.
The Durant do the red No, no, no, it's not
if you don't like it, don't watch. It's that no
matter what happens with the W, because now I like
using it.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Now I feel cool, you feel like you're in the club.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Now, the W has what every sport wants, and that
is players that people care about. Everything else you can
figure out. You can figure out how you want to
adjudicate files and what you think about Caitlin Clark and
is it a race war that's being pushed by other people.
You can figure all that out. But the fact is
(34:49):
now that there are many people in the WNBA that
we care about. Caitlin Clark is at the top because
she's the star. Sorry if you don't think you're at
the top, or if you're below her, But this is
how it goes. When you come in as the all
time leading scorer in college basketball history, Yeah, you come
in with that kind of catch. Hey, but people care
about her. They care about Angel Reas, They care about
Cameron briekho hopefully is okay after getting injured tonight. They
(35:11):
care about Asia Wilson, they care about Sabrina Ionescue, they
care about Brianna Stewart. They care about these players. They've
become part of the fabric of conversation. And when you
have players that people care about, that's all you need.
Everything else, well, everything else will come, and you have
to go through some rockiness, you have to go through
some tough times, but everything else will come. As long
as you have players that people care about, you're winning.
(35:34):
And that's why the W is winning in a large way,
because all of a sudden they have players people care about.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Oh time, place, down, distance. We talk about it all
the time. Right, if folks want to get mad about it,
because well you see the raidings, go, well, what's the
big deal? As you said, it's record ratings for twenty
three years. You see the growth, you see the expansion talk,
you see the revenue and the TV rights, and even
if they're.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Gonna lose fifty million this.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Year, the trajectory and the projections say that you're probably
gonna be in the black here in a couple of years,
all things being equal. You have to figure out the
private planes and everything and what that's gonna cost. But
when you look at it, the television revenue flows in,
and again when you try to compare it to the
(36:22):
NBA or whatever else, is what always happens. Right, The
fool hardy. It's like you do with the individual players. Well,
you know Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, Like nobody's those
damn guys. Okay, compare them to someone else, you know,
slightly above average, and then we can have fair conversations. Likewise, here,
when folks get mad and get off my lung, it's say, literally,
(36:43):
it's a thing right now, It'll continue to grow, and again,
you could do it out if you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
There's plenty of other sports that are on the radar.
Exit out by a Fresca exit swalling down The Jason
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it's sort of cosmic. It's sort of crazy thinking about
Otani being the best player in baseball and taking that
mantle from Derek Jeter, who took that mantle before him.
As we talk about the death of one of the
(01:14):
all time greats in any sport. News coming in about
forty five minutes ago that Willie Mays has passed away
at the age of ninety three. Say, hey, kid made
twenty four All Star Teams twenty four, twenty four All
Star Teams twenty four twenty four. That's with missing two
years due to war.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, well he missed two years due to war and
he started his career in the Ego leagues. Yes, so
he had just gotten ten hits added to his total. Yeah,
because that was always one of those you know, trivia
things you'd do with your jackass buddies of the all
time leaders and hits and whatever, and you'd have Maze's
stats were always.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Part of it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Home runs and hits and everything else. He got those
extra ten.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I mean I always wondered, like, with all of that going,
was he really was he older? Like? Was he was
that his real? Was he really that old? Was he? Would?
We have been stunned to god? Yeah, he was actually
eight years older than he was when he was well,
I mean, he had were some kind of career.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But you and I, You and I were joking, right,
You and I were joking a little bit. Coming in
my earliest memories of Willie Mays, right, the old Home
Run Derby series that they played an old Wrigley Field,
not the Wrigley Field that you know, but the other one, uh,
and guys would sit and have interviews, and it was
really the only time you'd see these guys. Right during
the season, you'd get maybe a Game of the Week
(02:31):
and then obviously for us, you know, you had the
Cubs on WGN and or whatever, but you know that
was your exposure not only to current players right this
week in baseball whatever, but the home Run Derby of hey,
let's celebrate this in the past. And then they'd sit
and interview guys and just shoot the breeze while the
other guy was hitting. So like talking my grandpa, my dad.
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It was always you know, Willie May is the best
of all time, right, and they'd cite all these different
things and you know, the five tools.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
And whatever else.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But I was I remember from the nineteen seventy three
tops card, which was, oh.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, where he looked?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And I kid you not compare the last known photos
of Willie Mays as a ninety year old ninety one
year old, he don't look much older than he did
in that final nineteen seventy three. Yeah, I mean so
when we talked about his Mets tenure, Yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Mean like it ends with the Mets. Look, and that's
gonna come up a lot, obviously, you know, him ending
with the Mets and how he was at the end
of his career and he stumbled in the World Series
of people treating it like, oh my goodness, the guy
can't but his career. Like you talk about Willy Mays
and growing up, there was never a debate as to
who the greatest baseball player of all time was. It
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was always Willy Mays. Like I was always told Willy Mays,
and the answer was always Willy Mays, right, Like obviously
I was too young to see him. The very end
of his career at the Mets was a little bit
before I started. It was a year before, Like I
started watching baseball when I was four. But I missed
the seventy three series. I missed Yogi Bera, you know,
moving up Tom c for a day when he shouldn't
have let him save him for condot Anyway, come on,
(04:04):
you were a kid, But like, there was never any
it was no Willie Mays is the gross There's Willy
was the greatest of all time, and Mickey Mantle could
have been, but this this, this right, injuries and obviously uh,
destroying his body, all of those things that had been
well chronicled, but Willy Mays was always just held up
as the standard, much like we talked about last week,
(04:26):
you know, with with the passing of Jerry West. It
was always the same thing, like you know, and and
thank my my, my dad, my uncles and everybody you
know for recognizing, you know, greatness and saying, hey, if
you're gonna watch clips of guys, these are the guys
to to.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Go and emulate. And and you know, it passes the
test of time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Now before we get into Willie and the catch and
his legacy. Uh, this is just really odd and it's
something to bring up just because it It wowed me
when I saw it, and I had to take a
breath in. There was a minor story yesterday, and I
say minor stories in the grand scheme of headlines. Willie
Mays was supposed to go this week to Rickwood Field
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in Birmingham, one of the most famous ballparks in the
history of baseball, the oldest ballpark in the country, most
famous for being home to the Birmingham Black Barons of
the Negro Leagues from in the early nineteen twenties until
nineteen sixty. I think, and there's gonna be a game there,
and Willy was supposed to go. And the Cardinals are
playing the Giants, and Willy was supposed to go. And
(05:30):
he put out a statement yesterday saying I can't make it.
I'm not I don't get around like I used to.
I wish I could make it there because I have
so many great memories because he played at rickwood Field.
He and Satchel Page played at rickwood Field. All these
ledges played at rickwood Field. And he put out a
statement that was saying, listen, it's means so much. I
just don't get around much and I can't get there.
(05:51):
But let me read you some of the state the
end of his statement. Here thinking about this, this is
a statement that he put out a day ago about
playing at rickwood Field. Rickwood became my training ground, my start,
my first job. When things change in forty seven with
Jackie Robinson coming in, well then I started a dream big.
You never forget your first rickwood Field is where I
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played my first home game. Rickwood Field is still here?
So am I how about that? Like that was whoa whoa,
whoa whoa. I was like, no, no way, he didn't wow,
because it sounds like what even though he was ninety three,
whatever it was was very sudden, just when you're ninety three,
I can't fly across country like this and get here
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and get you know, you don't get around as much.
I mean, you're talking about a guy that was born
in nineteen thirty, you know. So he said that happens
that way. I mean saying, listen, But he se this
seemed like a statement that he put out that you know,
you read the statement. It seemed like it was something
that he said, wasn't written for him, didn't have this
professional AI part of it. He talks about, Hey, I
knew about it as a kid. It was always there.
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I grew up with rickwood around the corner. It was
within reach. I didn't dream about the impossible. So this
statement seems like it's really it's from Willie saying this.
So even though ninety three, it seems like this was
incredibly sudden. But I just I can't get over reading
that last line. Rick Woodfield is still here, Saul, am,
I how about that, and and and he puts out
the statement, and and a day later he passes away,
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and they're gonna play a game there this week. And
it's just it's really, I really, I just can't stop
thinking about that part of it and reading that statement
over and over again.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, it's just uncanny, and you know, one of those
cosmic things, and you know, we ponder the things far
larger than ourselves. You have a tribute game going on
tonight as well, and as they announced it, the crowd
everybody got to a standing ovation that lasted several minutes
(07:47):
when it's all saiden. The video of that is starting
to make the rounds in socials as we speak. But yeah,
that kind of statement, right, passage of time, legacy, legend,
and you know, we we think about it whenever a
new season begins, right, because baseball has always been so
great about history, and this decision to have a game
(08:08):
at rick Wood this week, I mean, our own Rob
Parker very excited about this and covering it and what
it means to the game to you know, trying to
continue to explore the history like they did with merging
of the stats, and however you feel about that, it's
done but what it does is it shines the light
(08:29):
on the players from that era and that we can say,
you know, Willie Mays is such that a part of
all of that and all of that continuum. And to
have that statement come out yesterday, because you showed me
that yesterday of like, hey, you know, this is this
week and whatever, and it was just kind of like,
it's pretty damn cool. Yeah, right, Like, because I'm in
(08:50):
the process of going through all my cards member of
BILLI or whatever. I've had the had the opportunity a
couple of times years ago to meet him at Hall
of Fame things, whatever, brief encounters, but always appreciative of
you know, folks still lining up fifty years after he'd retired,
you know, to come and to come and get an autograph,
you know that kind of thing. Boy, You know, just
(09:11):
thinking of all of the time passages and what he
meant to this game and the outpouring of emotion across baseball.
You know, you lose one of these these legends that
that bridged all these generations.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know, you want a great that you want to
know a great story about what kind of baller Willie
Mays was. Two thousand and seven they had the All
Star Game in San Francisco, those first time they had
been there in a long time. And I was there
because I was working for ESPN Radio and they sent
me to the All Star Game because I think, honestly,
because it was the cheapest flight they could send people
(09:47):
from Bristol, but they sent my show. They sent me
to go and I did shows with Steve Klein, a
former Giants in the afternoon. So we're at the Bait
We were doing shows from the Baseball Experience and Cal
Ripkin is doing some sort of event front of us,
and there's a whole bunch of stuff, a lot of
cool stuff, right, So I do I fill into in
the afternoons from there. So I go to the game
and before the game, uh, you know, there's a lot
(10:10):
of pageantry and things happening, and I'm in the lower
deck and Willie Mays comes out and he comes out
to for and I forget what they did. I forget
what he what they did for him, what they honored
him with. But this is what I remember, this kind
of baller Willie Mays was, is that he was in
a car and they drove him around the dirt. That
that butts up against the the dugouts and around the fence, right,
(10:33):
so he's coming down there, he's coming. He's in he's
in a convertible obviously, and they and he's having these
throwing balls out to the two people in the stands
and as all these kids are there and they got
you know, and they're with gloves and everything. Well, they
get to a point and I'm going, Okay, this maybe
wasn't well thought out because they get to a point
where you get to the netting and and I'm going, oh, man,
(10:54):
the netting. But what's he gonna You've got all these
balls left, and the dude is and and this is
Willie Mays and what it do. And I didn't really
think about this until after I saw it, and I
watch the replay because I'm watching it going, oh my god,
he's throwing the ball into the net Like he's just
throwing the ball into the netting. What's he doing? Like
these balls are the netting? And then I went and
watched replay. He's trying to throw the ball over the
next seventy seven Yeah, and he's like he's like scooching
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down in the back of the car and he's trying
in his seat and he's trying to flip it up
and throw the balls over the netting to get to
the kids, because it's all kids there which the ball
and he's trying. I'm going, oh my god, I'm seventy seven,
I'm still gonna throw if you still get to throw
the ball over the netting into the stands. And that
was just an incredible moment where it turns out looks like, oh,
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you see it on Fay's value, go, oh what's he doing?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Man?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Come on, Willie, will you throwing the ball over the
net No, he's he's trying to throw it. You can
see it, and there's gyps of it online where you
see him and he's just trying to flip.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It, trying to figure out his law. Nentangle, Where can
I throw entangle? Before lo nentangle became a thing? Really,
I thought it was going to take a really unexpected twist.
And he kind of got himself out of the car
and started climbing the net like he was Spider Man.
Is really where I thought you were gonna take that,
And all of a sudden, the balls.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, no, no, no, he was trying to throw the
ball out, going oh, man, and then of course then
they had somebody walking behind that was getting the balls
and then was throwing it. So I think they were
marked with something like special All Star balls, No I'm
going out or something like that, commemorative things, you know,
to authenticate and whatever. Hey, there's when I'm like, oh
my god, you get to see Willie Mays, right, because
because I always think back of the moment, you know,
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Ted Williams the All Star Game, and what that moment
was like when he came out in the outer back. Everybody, yeah,
and they brought him and everybody went out to the
field to see him, right because they knew.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It was tough him and to Gwynn, yeah, get him
out to the mound.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah. So so they all got to see him, Like
what a great And I see Willy and I'm like, okay,
because this is the guy, like this is my whole life.
This is the guy that I've been told and obviously
again too young to see him play, but the legend
and the video and what you've seen and what you've
heard about him is just he's There's not many guys
that you can are larger than life, especially nowadays when
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it's so easy, when when you can interact with your
favorite players and you see them so much, you know,
but certainly especially of the past. But Willie was one
of those guys that of the larger than life guys.
He was incredibly larger than life. For five years.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
If if there was even a rumor that he was
showing up at a game, the walk up gate was ridiculous
and people were eagle eyed hoping to find some glimpse
of a car holding up that might have him.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It was.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It was that kind of presence UH in the Bay Area, UH,
and the celebration of him therein likewise of Cooperstown. When
I lived out in upstate New York, right, we'd get
out there for Induction Week and everybody would be out there,
you know, with their card tables and signing autographs, or
they'd have a big show whatever. But it was always
when they got ready to do the parade. If he
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was in town, it all stopped when when he turned,
Like everybody, it's like, all right, will he's there, that's it.
We're not selling you have. I don't have any rookies.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I do.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I do have a third year that I posted up on.
He wouldn't be working if he had a Willie May's Rookie. No,
I probably would wouldn't have if it was high up grade. No, no,
he would, oh god worth high grades worth a couple
of hundred grand at this point.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, we tire on that. No, he just wouldn't be working.
He would just haven't would look at it every day.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, I'd probably just be flipping cards all the time.
But no, I did post a picture. I do have
a PSA four of his fifty four tops that's been
in my collection for a long long time, as well
as my All Century book commemoring commemorating that that whole thing.
My brother went and got it at a signing. He did,
He and Hank Aaron did three of them. Uh, and
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Willie had problems with his eyes. So it was like
no flash photography, very big rule. So guys going through
the line, my brother gets the books on, next guy
does the flash photography. Aaron says, we're done. Sorry, we
warned you.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
We're out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
So I have a nice book that was originally signed
by Aaron and Mays that I added like another forty
signatures to. But a little bit of history there.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Exit. How about a Fresca exit swollen dome throughout tonight,
we'll continue to remember the life of Willie Mays. In fact,
coming up next, Yes, the Willie Mays catch is the
greatest defensive play made in any sport of all time.
And we'll tell you exactly why you think. You've seen
it a million times, and we'll tell you exactly why
this play is still looked at as the greatest. And
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it happened in nineteen bleep in fifty four, and it's
still the greatest. That's next right here, Jason and Mike.
This is Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
The Power of Grimace knows no bounds. The Mets were
trailing this game six ' to two. Francisco Alvarez, who
I can make a pretty good case as being the
real NLMVP when.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We play seventeen and one in his last eighteen games.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
When he plays, hey, look how good they are? He
doubles to the gap in left center that ties the
game with the Rangers six apiece. Now, the power of
the Grimace era telling you the.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Powers era's tour, you know, to parallel that of Miss
Swift that's now running around Europe and in other news.
Edmonton looks like, hey, we're gonna keep this series live,
Florida going.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We're three in the third period.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Clipse, Look, maybe the hate on Jack Nicholson died down
a little. Yeah, yeah, they had banged the boy. They
got blitzed out of the gate.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
What did uh? What was Edmonton's line? Drag him back
to Alberta And so that was that was the line? Uh?
So Edmonton leads Florida four to three. Stanley Cup could
be awarded tonight. It might not be, but it doesn't
matter because we're in the Grimace Era. We're in the
Grimace Era. Willie May has got to see the Grimace
era he did, he saw the grim Now we're gonna
get to his catch in a second. But you know,
I because I forgot about this story. You want a
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great uh Willie May's story. Uh about this is when
my dad first moved to Los Angeles And it was
like in twenty ten, I want to say. And one
of the first things that that that was going on was, uh,
it was a night with Sandy Kofax, Like Sandy Kofax
was gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
He did that speak yet I remember when interview.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
In La Live and I'm going, this is a real
force him and is a real thing, Like this is
a real thing. Yeah. And but the night there was Cofax.
This night, I'm like, I want to take my dad
to see it. So I take my dad to see
it and and uh we go down there and it's
we're in the audience and Sandy Colfax is that are like,
oh my god. It's like I'm just like seeing a yetti.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He's the right whale. Yeah right, I mean, like they
was saying with Willy Mays up in San Francisco, it's
the same thing. Sandy's here like spring training rumors of
when he's going to show up or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Crazy. So he comes out and sits down, and the
interviewer was TJ. Simers, who just passed away, uh not
too long ago, a big writer and personality here in
Los Angeles. And the first thing they did was introduce
Sandy Colfax. Every gives him a standing ovation and he says, now, now, Sandy,
I want to say, when did how many times did
you try to hit Willy Mays? How many times you really?
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I mean you really looked like sometimes you try like
he's And I'm like, wow, what a way to open right,
this kind of question. You could have said. You could
have said anything right, You could have said anything. But
it says, you know because I remember some game. There
are some big famous game, some famous playoff type game.
You tried to hit Willie and and you know this
guy Cofax already is just grinning. So I'm like, Okay,
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he knew the right question to get him going, not
just you know Sandy your career, you tried to hit Willie, right,
And so the first thing Sandy called, he shakes his head,
he goes, you couldn't hit Willie. Nobody could hit Willy.
That was one of the whole things that will he
May's always had. You couldn't throw inside on him, You
couldn't intimidate because you couldn't hit him. You tried, He goes,
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I tried. You couldn't hit Willie. You just couldn't hit him.
You couldn't hit him. And he's talking and not loud
enough to disrupt everything, but loud enough to be heard
in the roads around me. My dad just goes, that's right, Like, Dad,
Oh my god, what Dad?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We're at?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It is right? Not in the living room, Dad, Dad,
You're not in a living room. You're not. We're here.
He just goes, that's right. And then for the next
minute he talked about what a great player Willie Mays was,
but just how such it was, such a thing where
you know, you think about, you know, throwing at a
guy when he's hitting you, or you want to back
him off the plate or some kind of look at
the strategy. He said, you couldn't hit him. You couldn't
hit Willy. He would always get out of the way,
and you were just wasting a pitch. You were like
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throwing a pitch. It was just going to be a ball.
Couldn't hit Willie.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Two thousand and nine hundred and ninety two career regular
season games, ten thousand, eight hundred and eighty one official
at bats, fourteen hundred walks, two hundred intentional walks. He
was hit by forty four pitches in his career.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
In ten thousand bats he got hit by a pitch
forty four times.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, nearly what twelve thousand, twelve thousand, and five hundred
plate appearances he got hit forty four Only Mookie.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Batts and Aaron Judge knew how to do that. Yeah,
it's true. Man, I'll never forget that, and I'll never
forget my dad going that's right, Like, that was right.
And the thing is because my dad's tall, Like you know,
I'm five nine, but he's like six to two. I
get my mom's height unfortunately, but like so like everybody
knew he said it, like, and everybody's kind of they're
all reverential. Listen to Sandy Kofax. Wow, he's telling this
great story. You couldn't hit Willy.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Maga because he's never there, Like yeah, Sandy, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Like I can't believe he's still on this. I'm still
getting over the fact he's still on the stage, right,
because Kofax appeared with Joe Tory, and Joe Tory apparently
asked Sandy Kofax to do this, uh, and Sandy said yes,
And and I remember Tory said, I didn't know what
was going to happen. I asked I, and then he
said he'll be here, so okay, like and then he
showed up. So it was called an evening at home
or safe at home or something. They did a few
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of these. Yeah, and because my dad and I'm looking
around them embarrassed because now you know, my dad is
so much taller than just about everybody in the audience,
because and he's sitting there with his Yankee hat on,
and I'm like, come on, Dad, yes that's right, but Max,
Katie and Kate Fear. I'm just laughing.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Dad smoking his cigar the chair in front of him,
a mad man.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But look obviously, yes a lot tonight on the passing
of Willie Mays. Uh, maybe the greatest ball player of
all time if you got to see him. I was
always told he was the greatest player that never never changed. Yeah,
he finished with the Mets, and it did. He was
like frifty right and nah he was. He that's a
thing where we were just talking about, right, who knows,
nah he was in he was in his he was
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forty two, forty three when the Mets got him, they
went to the World Series. Uh and and that was
how he ended his career.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
But think about the longevity there, right, as we celebrate
guys in the modern era, when we talk about Brady
TB twelve and all the money spent in on different
remedies to keep the body going. Lebron James famously, you know,
in his training, plus his food whatever else, he's going
to be forty years old and spends a million dollars
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plus a year, all of these kind of things. Looking
at your guy, Aaron Rodgers, whatever we get from him,
he gets to his fortieth birthday that we celebrate that
go back, Williams was forty plus, right, Well we look
at him and you look at Nolan Ryan, like their
medical marvels compared to what like many of their counterparts did.
Like when you look at longevity, there were very few
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guys that made it made it through unscathed with that
kind of tenure in Major League Baseball or any other
sport for that matter.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Now, when it comes to Willie Mays. You are seeing
one thing, and you will be seeing one thing for
the next twenty four hours. And it's probably a play
you've seen a thousand times, and I'm being generous to
say at least a thousand times. And that is his
catch off of Vic Wurtz in the nineteen fifty four
World Series the Giants and the Indians. And you've seen
the catch with Willie Mays. Dead set sprint to center
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field with his back turned, and he turns up the
glove and he makes the catch, and he knows he's
a runner on base tagging up, so he turns and
throws the ball back in and spins and falls down
and again. Growing up, I was always told this is
the greatest catch of all time. And you know, when
you're a kid and you hear about, hey, this is
a great catch. You're thinking of someone running and diving
and sliding or jumping over the wall. Either think and
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you see this catch and you go, oh, well, he
was running and he caught it, and he turned he
threw it back. Okay, but you also that's greatest catch, right.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Well, but you also look at it and say, how
big is this damn ballpark?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Well, I mean, obviously camera angles much different than what
we have now, but it seemed like he was playing
in a cavern. I think center field was for forty
at the Polo Grounds. I think it was four forty,
which is what it was also in Tiger Stadium for
a long time. I think about four forty to center field,
Like you had a fly, but it's not going out.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's like two forty at the Yankee Standard. Yeah, especially
down down the line.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, you're at like three or seven or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, But before we get into and just understanding when
I learned just how this was the most difficult catch
to be made and why it's probably the most incredible
defensive play in the history of sports. Here's what it
sounded like when it happened again in nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
There's a lot that what cut what.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Mets Radio Network on the productions the catch in the
World Series when you talk about, you know, not building
a case for being the greatest catch, but it is
in the World Series that the Giants went on to win.
It was. It was an unbelievable play when it was made,
But when you watch the play and you think about
I don't want to say the luck, but the educated
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talent that it took for him to make that play.
Because he's running, the ball is hit directly over his head, right,
and you hear that all the ball directly. Yes, everybody
says it's because you've seen the Willie Mays play. Yes,
hardest catch out. But when you get towards the end
and he's running back, and he's running back and he
knows that I can't I can't continue to drift back
and run with my body tilted to the to the play.
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I have to turn and sprint. And so it turns
and sprints the last fifteen yards. And when you turn sprint,
you can't see the ball. So what he had to
do was see where the ball was coming and sprint
and without looking back where he thinks the ball is
gonna go. I mean like that's I mean, you're you're
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not saying I can't sit, you can't see the ball.
And I see it, and I go, I think this
is where the ball is gonna be. Because you watch
that and he's not looking at the ball. He didn't
see it come over his head. He lost sight of
it at some point and to be able to still
go and and and you see it's not just a
lucky catch because he would have had his he would
have said, okay, it's going I'm gonna put my glove
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straight in front of me, right, that would have you say, okay,
that's just a lucky catch. Where he's running and he
put his gloves straight out, but you see he puts
it out a little bit to the left, like that's
where I know the ball is gonna land. And it
lands right in the center of his glove, like to
say to know that, Okay, I'm gonna put my glove.
And that's how you know what kind of catch it is,
because if you're saying, Okay, I'm gonna blindly stick my
glove out and hope the ball hits it, but this
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was I think the ball is gonna be here because
it's a little bit to the left and and his
and the ball hits right in the center of it,
and you're like, oh my god. And it took me
a while, obviously to become a more sophisticated baseball fan
to understand that player. I know that I really understood
that until I was like seventeen or eighteen, But I
remember when I first saw the play, like my friends
and I got and try to try to recreate it.
I was gonna throw it. You try to run and
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put your glove up a catch, and you can't.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's like, I got, I can't catch Oka't you know
what He's good?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You would. I would try to run with my head
like so all the way back so I could see
it coming over my head and I got.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You try to try it over one shoulder or the other.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, and then you realize you're not running anymore, and
the ball is like you put your glove out now
and now it's like twenty feet away and it goes
down the street and it's in the gutter, and I
gotta go get it. I mean that that. It took
me a long time to understand just just that part
of that play that he doesn't he loses side of
the ball and still he knows where it's going to land.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That's Amata execution twelve gold Gloves to go along with
those twenty four All Star appearances. In prepping as we were,
you know, waiting for our turn to come on air
and doing some you know, cursory, you know, looking around.
Found an article on Yahoo that has some great quotes
from a twenty fourteen interview that he did. First off,
he starts off by saying, quote, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
No lucky catch.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Talks about you know the key he if that gets down,
it's at least two runs, he's on third base, and
then we got to score three.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
But this is great. But to him, it was just
another play that happened to come on the biggest stage.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I usually catch fly balls like that all the time.
But now you're talking about a World series. You're talking
about something that doesn't happen all the time. And even
you make a catch like that, which I did in
the regular season, but to catch it and away where
the world's looking at you, it's remarkable, I think. And
then they ask, you know, where was it on his
list of catches?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I never rte catches. It's important to try to catch
everything out there. This is my theory. I don't know
how other people think.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I feel.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
If I started ranking him, you guys would have nothing
to write about. So I never did worry about things
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean, just think about how this is a play
that happened in nineteen fifty four and it's still viewed
as the greatest catch, greatest defensive play in baseball history
and probably the greatest defensive play in any sport because
of the degree of difficulty on it, and it's never
been surpassed.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But in the in the modern era, what what gets
shown the most the Jeter flip thing yeah, or ball
bouncing off Jose con Seco's head.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Ye yeah. Now, the degree of because the degrees. But
the Geter play was great for many reasons because it
was such a heads up play, and it was it
was a great athletic play from to get there and
make it. But the degree of difficulty of running, grabbing it,
turning and flipping, which is what a middland field does
all the time, compared to okay, you don't see the
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ball anymore with your back to the make the catch.
I mean, how do you do that.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And then spin and get the ball back in? Because
I would have cut?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I got it, I got it, Yeah, I got Oh.
Oh crap, he's taking the crowd like you're Maximus, and
and and just how fast he gets that ball back
is because if you if you catch like that, how
many guys need another ten feet to stop and turn
and throw And he just does it one body control,
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turn and quickly just chucks it and gets it back
in because he knows, hey, I got this guy's tagging
up and I'm gonna make that play. The only other
one that may come close is when Jim Edmonds did
the same exact thing, and what was it like? Ninety
seven was a great catch to yes, that was a
great catch.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Although nobody liked to dive for balls more than Jim Edmonds,
he did, and he'll just show you, hey, look look
I got there.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, short, short in his career by about ten years,
but he had a lot of style points for the
dive plays.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Like you know, he probably could have gotten there but.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Exit out bout of Fresca, exit swallendope. Never been a
better defensive play in sports than Willie Mays is catching
fifty four. Watch it and you you'll see new things
in it, and you'll be amazed all over again. The
Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon Live from the Tirec
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the last couple of days, and everybody seems to be
on one side of I'll tell you the other side
of it.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (31:13):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best friend
Mike Harmon the Grimace Era. The Mets have taken a
seven six lead in the ninth inning. We just saw
the giant entry.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Oh ed.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Grimace, Jason Era.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Just fast forward the season and give you guys the
world series.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
This ever in my lifetime. But Grimace, you may never
lose again.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
No, no, I mean unless, well unless dis gives it up.
How about a great thing though your lifetime and devotion to.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I just had to wait for Grimace. I just had
to wait. You never had it so good. I had
to wait for Grimas, But you had to wait for Grimace.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And now it gives you an excuse to keep that
streak alive. You have to be some become superstitious, not
just stitious, you gotta be superstick issues and go every
day to get some sort of McDonald's eit of this.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
If you weren't already, someone tell me when you're five
years old and you love McDonald's and the Mets equally. Yes,
just wait until twenty twenty four and then it will
all come together. It's gonna come together. Just made another
forty five years. You're good, don't worry about It'll be fine.
Truly amazing. As the ninth inning does not begin well
for the Mets, as a bloop single that Mark Fiano's
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can't track down puts the leadoff runner on Oh boy,
Mets you. The last few days has been filled with
controversy about the WNBA, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, the flagrant foul,
and it just continues to roll. But this is something
different from it, right, this is something different to understand
(32:47):
that when we talk about this stuff, the w has
now become part of the fabric of what we do
every day. That's why this is Oh I can't believe you. Yeah,
people are crazy because we're talking about the WNBA for
the first time as part of an everyday occurrence in sports.
It's a thing, right, that's why we talk about it. Oh,
(33:08):
this flagrant foul happens there. Yeah, but you know what
if it happens in the NBA, when Draymond Green does it,
we talk about it. Right. When big plays happen in sports,
we talk about them. So don't be suddenly, Oh I
can't believe we're talking about this. I can't believe we're
doing this. I can't believe we're doing this. No, no,
we're doing this because it's part of the conversation. Now
you're in. You're in part of the conversation. And for
all of the controversy about this, realized this is this
(33:31):
is part of how it goes now. Yeah, you're in.
The Caitlin Clark Angel Reese game on Saturday is the
highest rated WNBA game in twenty three years.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, Sunday morning, twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Three years, the highest rated game people watch.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Incredible for a noon start, Yes, yes, time, Like literally
I got off there to watch the end of the Yeah,
I got off the air with Ryan Hollins and they
were finishing warm ups. We'd already seen all the video
is the rivals and the outfits and everything else like
they've done with both the w and with the NBA,
and they were getting ready for tip off as I
rolled out.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean, it was it's a they're doing great things
every single week and understand this because this is the
this is the biggest thing and this is the best part.
The Durant do the red No, no, no, it's not
if you don't like it, don't watch. It's that no
matter what happens with the W, because now I like
using it.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Now I feel cool, you feel like you're in the club.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Now, the W has what every sport wants, and that
is players that people care about. Everything else you can
figure out. You can figure out how you want to
adjudicate files and what you think about Caitlin Clark and
is it a race war that's being pushed by other people.
You can figure all that out. But the fact is
(34:49):
now that there are many people in the WNBA that
we care about. Caitlin Clark is at the top because
she's the star. Sorry if you don't think you're at
the top, or if you're below her, But this is
how it goes. When you come in as the all
time leading scorer in college basketball history, Yeah, you come
in with that kind of catch. Hey, but people care
about her. They care about Angel Reas, They care about
Cameron briekho hopefully is okay after getting injured tonight. They
(35:11):
care about Asia Wilson, they care about Sabrina Ionescue, they
care about Brianna Stewart. They care about these players. They've
become part of the fabric of conversation. And when you
have players that people care about, that's all you need.
Everything else, well, everything else will come, and you have
to go through some rockiness, you have to go through
some tough times, but everything else will come. As long
as you have players that people care about, you're winning.
(35:34):
And that's why the W is winning in a large way,
because all of a sudden they have players people care about.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Oh time, place, down, distance. We talk about it all
the time. Right, if folks want to get mad about it,
because well you see the raidings, go, well, what's the
big deal? As you said, it's record ratings for twenty
three years. You see the growth, you see the expansion talk,
you see the revenue and the TV rights, and even
if they're.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Gonna lose fifty million this.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Year, the trajectory and the projections say that you're probably
gonna be in the black here in a couple of years,
all things being equal. You have to figure out the
private planes and everything and what that's gonna cost. But
when you look at it, the television revenue flows in,
and again when you try to compare it to the
(36:22):
NBA or whatever else, is what always happens. Right, The
fool hardy. It's like you do with the individual players. Well,
you know Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, Like nobody's those
damn guys. Okay, compare them to someone else, you know,
slightly above average, and then we can have fair conversations. Likewise, here,
when folks get mad and get off my lung, it's say, literally,
(36:43):
it's a thing right now, It'll continue to grow, and again,
you could do it out if you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
There's plenty of other sports that are on the radar.
Exit out by a Fresca exit swalling down The Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmon Coming up next,
more from the Grima Sera as Mike and I will
tell you who's making the NBA Finals next year, Fox
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