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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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We appreciate you. Jason Smith off tonight celebrating a birthday,
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him how old he looks and how old he's become.
Like he'd straight out of a Star Wars movie with
us tonight in his stead years in the National football
long time voice here on the weekends here Fox Sports Radio,
and we're always pleased when he joins us. It's doctor
Rich Hornberg. You hear him down in San Diego each
and every day. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Brother, The doctor is in. I made it.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I've journeyed far and wide, well actually really just over
the to the spare bedroom, to broadcast see Alive, and
all over the nation. As you mentioned all those affiliates.
We're glad that you're with us tonight. And even though
Jason's not here, I'm gonna do my best to bang
the drum for the Jets and Jason Fields and gosh,
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I mean they are just.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, we don't need any more Justin Fields talk. It's
a final no, okay, all right, fair enough, he's been deposed.
We established that yesterday that the era of Justin Fields
as a starter with the New York Football Jets are
really seemingly anywhere should be done. So congratulations on a
job done, and God bless he walked away with an
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awful lot of cheddar for the effort that he put forth.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
This is what I'll say about Justin Fields. You know, look,
I think that it is really hard to be a
quarterback in the NFL and both observing the game now
as a fan like everyone else, in an analyst, and
during my time playing when you share the rooms with
those guys, you realize you got to be built different
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to handle the stress and the strain of facing the
media for every little thing. I mean, and the bigger
the spotlight, the harder it is to operate. I mean,
they even break down how Patrick Mahomes walks. There are
like tiktoks and Instagram reels just highlighting how goofy he
looks when he walks, when he walks Mike, I mean,
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like everything is under scrutiny. So it's just one of
those things where heavy is the head that wears a crown.
Like you said, he's a very rich man and a
lot of people have a hard time, you know, crying
big boohoo tears for millionaires, get to play a kids
game for King Ransom.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But but I will say it's really hard.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yes, just because it hasn't worked out for a couple
of teams for a couple of years doesn't mean we
haven't seen his best yet. Just look at Gino Smith
with the Seahawks when he had his re emergence. It
hasn't held. But look at Sam Darnold his re emergence
with the Vikings. He's made the Seahawks better since he's
been there, you know, So I'm I guess I'm gonna
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say it looks like it could be over for Justin Fields.
It may certainly be over for him in New York,
but I'm not ready to write off any quarterbacks in
today's NFL because we've seen a lot of second and
third acts to careers where we thought they were dead
in the water.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's one of the things we talk about quite a
bit on the show Rich the opportunity, the circumstances to
where you're drafted and later to the opportunities you get
coaching staffs, and the fact that it's a veritable marrigal
round seemingly with all but a five franchises.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They put up the graphic with the the Raider game,
which ties us directly back to Gino Smith, who was
very u I don't want to say, despondent, defiant, whatever
the term you would be, with his postgame comments kind
of talking about the EBB and flow of where they're
at offensively and play calling and everything else. But they
had the graphic up there. You know, Pete Carroll's the
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fifth coach since twenty twenty, and there were three other
teams that were on that graphic with them, right, So,
I mean just talking about the merry go round, not
to mention the coordinator thing. I mean, whenever we get
into discussions about Jalen Hurts, you know, you'd be remiss
to not bring up the fact that he's had a
different coordinator or quarterback coach or both pretty much every
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year of his professional and collegiate life. So you know,
the messaging is going to be different, the terminology, the
play calling, philosophy, all of that stuff. So quarterback position again,
with injuries this week, we're already into the mid fifties.
Think in terms of how many different guys have started
a game. That's how that's how crazy is it?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And I think part of that is obviously there's always injuries,
and we saw a rash of injuries at the quarterback position,
Penix and Gabriel and you know, Aaron Rodgers went down
like you know there. You know, some will be back soon.
It sounds like maybe Rogers was gonna suit up or
try to suit up for next Sunday's game, and some
it'll take some time. But yeah, that's part of the
the you know, the dialogue. Brock was hurt for a
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while out in forty nine land for a little while.
But also I think there's a shorter leash and a
quicker hook with a lot of these staffs because they
realize that the hourglass is running out for them too.
So if things aren't working, we know how quick owners
are to dismiss head coaches now, and so they go
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to the understudy quicker these days than ever before. Long
since have passed the days where you'll let a quarterback
toil out there for years and finally figure it out
year three, like, oh yeah, you know, it took him
a couple of seasons, but it's really starting to click here. No, no, no,
no no, because wins overall are the only thing that
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ownership groups care about these days, and if you don't
have them, you are not long for the job of
head coach in this league. And if you don't protect
yourself from losing that job, you're not going to establish
any player, let alone a quarterback. So yeah, it doesn't
shock me, Mike with that number you give, but over
fifty quarterbacks at this point in the season, I mean
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it's a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
That's a lot of starters.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, I mean, we're just talking two three here, and there.
I mean, we're talking about the Browns moving on and
probably Sanders under center this week. So all of those things,
you know, that come to bear. But you know, we
talk about the where we're at in terms of coaches tenure.
I mean, you watched it with with Brian Dable. Now
you knew you'd see Jackson Dart sooner rather than later.
Just they traded back up to get him, and Russell
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Wilson was well what Russell Wilson has become. But all
in all, it became the all right, this also becomes
the this potentially gives me a life raft to extend
my time in this job. And unfortunately the way he
handled Jackson Dart, the fact that they continue to lose
obviously helps nothing in that regard. But the fact that
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Jackson Dart found himself in the medical tent week after
week you had the embarrassing thing of running into said
medical tent. All of that, you know, just piled up
to where Maren and Shane Jane had to show that
he still deserved his suit and is suite at the
end of the hallway, so he had to make that
move as well. So we're just in that strange time
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in the National Football League going into Week twelve, four
teams on by, but so many guys that we do
the laundry list, like the end of the cable movie
right where they're starting the new one, So the credits
roll at about three times the speed, and it's a
lot of names. That's where we're at in the NFL season.
If you go team by team on their injury reports.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah, that's such a good comparison. And it's true, like
you know, it whizzes by the screen because it's a
mile long and and yeah, you know, look, it's what.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Have you done for me lately? League?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Like all of a sudden, the Chiefs, who you know
are going to welcome in the Colts off of bye,
who have been great this season, you know that they've
got to be shaken in their boots a little bit,
even though Arrowhead has been a house.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Of horrors for AFC teams.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You know, if you drop to five and six, especially
in kind of a crowded bottom of the wild card
in that conference, man, you know, all of a sudden
you got some problems. I mean, especially with Baltimore at
a five hundred record playing the way they are. You know,
I'm not saying Andy Reid is anywhere near losing his job.
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He's not, And I certainly wouldn't say that for John Harbaugh,
especially since Lamar's come back. And you can see sort
of the you know, the the sigh of relief from
Baltimore fans, especially after a big win, a demonstrative win
this past weekend. But there there are those those feelings
of when things are going wrong for even a franchise
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that has had sustained and continued success, there are those feelings.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Of, ooh, we've.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
All been waiting for the other shoe to drop. We
knew that the end of the era was coming soon.
Maybe it's arrived. And then we also know how loyal
ownership groups can be when the good stops being so good,
you know, all of a sudden, the honeymoon phase is
over all. The winning drives up a little bit, the
fans start booing from the stands in the third quarter,
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in the fourth quarter at home, and there's that tinge
of embarrassment. You know, it's it's it's interesting where we're
at in the NFL, but it's it's the most wonderful
time of the year. As soon as you start smelling Thanksgiving, Turkey, Mike,
you really start seeing who's the cream of the crop,
and you can start weeding out the dregs of the league.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, funny. Just to put it in perspective from the AFC,
the Chiefs are still plus seventy three in point differential,
that's third in the conference for their five and five
record to this point. Some close losses and all those
one possession losses which has become the hallmark of their
squad right, winning ugly and finishing the job this week
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Denver the latest example of an opportunity to go get
them resplendent in those throwback uniforms of course, where we
celebrate those all the time, but the inability to push
them all downfield. I would love to circle back to
the Lamar Jackson for a second. The fact that Mark
Andrews has to be used as your short yardage guy
because Derrick Henry can't do it, and you've got him
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doing a pivot rollout. I mean, you ever think about
doing one of those moves back in your playing days.
I'm in one of those. Hey watch me do this
reverse pivot and get to the edge. I mean, my goodness,
there was I love that plan. So if you can't
beat him join them start there. The Jalen Hurts tush
push dilemma that the Eagles put the entirety of the
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league in led to an ownership vote that did not
get passed to ban the play. So what's happened in reaction, Well,
exactly what you thought would happen. A bunch of teams
practiced really hard this offseason the play that they couldn't
get banned, and so the Buffalo Bills, a team that
voted against it, the Ravens, a team that voted against
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it and wanted it banned from the league.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
They're both employing the tush push this year.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
There's a lot of teams that have changed heart over
this play, and the Ravens have taken it to a
new level because now they're running some trickeration. You have
a backfield where Mark Andrews is your quarterback under center,
you have Lamar back there, you have Derrick Henry, and
you have a play like you drew up last Sunday
where Lamar and Derrick Henry go one way, and then
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you have a reverse pivot from the quarterback who's supposed
to be the tush push or so to speak, and
he rolls out with a lead block from a fullback
in front of him to the right side. Literally nobody
was home. He was in a foot race with the skycam. Yeah,
and guess what he won. And it was just a
beautifully designed and beautifully executed play.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, anytime we could actually get a mention of a
full back into an NFL play, we get excited around
these parts. Ricard with the big block, Yeah. The bigger
thing is also just the curiosity of Lamar going forward
where he is health wise, because the explosiveness with his
legs doesn't seem to be there, which may be a
limiting factor as we go forward, but certainly something to watch.
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But they're on a nice winning streak and the schedule
opens for them quite nicely. So AFC is going to
be a jumbled mess. And for Kansas City haters, all
those folks that hate Love and Taylor Swift and Travis
Kelsey who didn't talk to the media after the latest loss,
it's all good for you because, well you got a
month and a half of the holidays to annoy your
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family if they're chiefs with your hatred thereof, And we
always like to see someone new rise up, and when
we do. I mean, you remember the Patriots. You watched
it live and in living color. How things suddenly turned
on you. You went from being cute and cod lea
to we're tired of these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, people, people very quickly.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Look, you know, the Patriots for a long time were
kind of lovable losers of the NFL. You know, they
were in no one's way. They were an easy win
for a lot of AFC teams and really a lot
of the AFC East. And then that all changed when
Kraft bought the team, hired Bill Belichick. The rest is history.
But even even the Patriots are more palatable now about
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a handful of years departed from the Brady Belichick eras
with rabel who, by the way, is fresh off of
that Belichick tree, and Drake May, Drake May. It just
feels different, It feels new. It feels okay to maybe
root for the Patriots a little bit now, whereas if
you go rewind the clock a half decade ago, nobody
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wanted the Patriots to win. But that's the thing in
the NFL. You have a target on your back once
you achieve sustained effect or success, and it's happening with
the Eagles. It's obviously already happened with the Kansas City Chiefs.
And even though the Lions have been a down and
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out franchise for years and years and years, if you
fast forward the clock three years from now, and the
Lions are making the postseason constantly, and they're making championship
games constantly, and dare I say, get to a Super
Bowl or even win one. People will tire of the
Honolulu Blue too. It's just the way fandom goes league
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wide in all these leagues. You know, the Dodgers are
feeling it now, It'll be who knows the Yankees again?
Soon here it'll be the Mets maybe one day, if
they can ever get out of their own way.
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with Giant Italises and such. Today is the forty second
anniversary of the release to me of one of the
most overrated films of all time. A Christmas story. Almost
as many years ago, Lebron James made his NBA debut. Okay,
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it's only twenty three, but he gets back on the
court tonight. He took to the fun and exciting of
the world of the media yesterday to shied everybody who
had been calling him old and making fun of his sciatica.
I hope you never get it. I hope you never
get because waiting for a little guy to pop up
with a violin to play behind him. But he makes
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his return tonight, rich after missing the open to this season,
season twenty three again just a new World Order, part
cyborg and all of those things that we joke about.
Lakers have been one of the fun surprises to the
early part of this NBA campaign. Now in the middle
of this road trip, but ten and four on the year,
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fourth in the Western Conference, great minutes parsed out, even
missing some Luka Doncia's time. You've had other guys step
up and they've had a really good rotation. And now
we get to sit back with our popcorn as this unfolds,
and a big matchup against the Utah Jazz, the plucky
Utah Jazz. How about that? That's the term I'll use
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for them here to see if that disrupts the apple
cart and creates some chaos for JJ Redick.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
So my take on Lebron being added to this lineup
is there's two sides to this coin. I'm gonna go
with all the positives. First, Lebron James even what twenty
three years, twenty three plus years, I mean I've lost.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Count twenty three league.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Yeah, here we go, is still one of the most
dominant players on the planet, like worthy of double teams
at times. I mean, if he catches the hot hand,
what do you do? You know, you slide defense his way,
you get help, principles in the lane. He is one
of the best athletes on the planet. At forty one
years of age, still can do all the things it
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appears he could do.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
In his twenties.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
You know, there's an ageless sentiment to him, very similar
to Tom Brady, how like a fine wine. He sort
of aged well, went down to Tampa Bay in his
forties and put up career numbers and won a Super
Bowl for them the first year out of New England.
Lebron James with the Lakers, obvious already has won a
championship this guy, he's special. Having said that, what's happening
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with the Lakers right now, with Luca and this upstart
group and this starting five they've assembled in his stead,
has also been special. And so there's this feeling of
what is gonna happen here? Is there gonna be all
of a sudden a very large and insanely talented yet
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a little rusty fly in the ointment where all of
the fun that the kids were having, or the mice
we're having while the cat was away, whatever analogy or
metaphor you want to use, is it all gonna go
away now? So I know that sounds like I'm speaking
out of two sides of my mouth, but we really
don't know what we're about to see. It could it
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could be somewhere you know that swings toward the positive
where it's a plus ad just like it's always been.
You add Lebron to the lineup and it's like stirring,
you know, nest quick in a glass of milk.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
It makes it better, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
We can all get behind yeah, or who knows.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I'd mean, maybe he jumps in and things start going
wrong and there's a bunch of finger pointing, but everybody
obviously knows what the big differences you know or could
land somewhere in between. What's your read on this situation?
If you had to choose a side, where do you think?
Where do you think this goes from here?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I think it's awkward off the jump, for the fact
that a lot of the guys who've been getting pretty
heavy rotation minutes have to go back and find their
roles again, right to where maybe they got a few
minutes to warm up before they needed to take a
shot or make a meaningful play because they were getting
fifteen minutes, Well, suddenly they're down to eight or ten,
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and the touches are different, the rotations are different, how
the spacing on the floor is will change, and then
how much ball stopping do we get from either side? Right,
we watched it last year. Sometimes it worked really well
together right for a lot of the season, But then
there were certainly parts of games where Lebron's ball dominant
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and Luca's just kind of standing over on the side
just staring at him or vice versa and waiting for
however the play was gonna break down, right, it becomes
the one on one, get to the whole kind of situation.
You've gotten great minutes from eighton and Marcus Smart two
veterans getting after For DeAndre Ayton, remember his season debut,
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the poison bends were already out. Instead, he's a guy
now averaging thirty minutes a game, sixteen points and eight boards.
Lebron last year was a twenty four to eight to
eight guy. So you're hoping to PLoP something like that in.
But for la Ravia gave Vincent back in tonight, Dalton
connect and guys all the way on that part of
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the extreme, Like how much does being relegated to fewer
minutes and a shorter rotation perhaps affect how they get
that buy in and flow that they've managed so well
in the early going.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, well, you know it does help when the guy
who's coming in to still your minutes as Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, No, that's I mean, psychologically sure, but it is
you know, it's still the all right, I'm not touching
the ball and I may not be seeing a court
nearly as much as I was where we're not you know,
playing matchups and whatever the same way. So for JJ Reddick,
I think it's an interesting an interesting balance here, you know,
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And also how many minutes are we expecting off the jump?
I have no idea, right, you know, we had the
the odds went up for the the old Hey, Lebron
always scores ten in a game. Let me see if
I can find those right quick, because I saw that
graphic pop up, which was kind of funny because they
grabbed about as ridiculous an image of Lebron to reinforce
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that as they could, one of those big if you
overlaid the grinch, I mean, that was the kind of
grin he had in the moment. Let's see, it was
Lebron to score ten or more points minus four thousand,
score fewer than ten points, sixteen to one. Yeah, yeah,
just the expectation. He comes in and he's going to
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play his minutes, a lot of pregame shoot around. I'm
curious what's on his playlist as he's going through his motions.
But I don't know. It's exciting for the NBA. You've
lost so many guys to injury. We've already seen a
laundry list of stars from Wemba Yama and John Morant,
Anthony Davis, the old Laker, I mean, and we've we've
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watched all of the reports out of there. Dico Harrison
got himself fired already, you know, all all of those
things that have flown through. But the Kawhi Leonard missing time,
no big shock. But when you talk about star power,
Giannis is now going to miss time because of a
groin injury. NBA needs Lebron James back right now as
we hit the holidays.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, and shout out to Nika Harrison. You're snuck
in a call out. Yeah, I mean easily the MVP
of the Lakers this season. I mean, he's really who
helped assemble all this you were I was joking with Frostburg.
He was like, which Kobe statue do you think they're
gonna take down for Nico's statue? You know? And how
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many how many championships will he be awarded in in
Los Angeles?
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You know, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Yeah, Doncic is special, and Lebron is special, and the
way Reeves has stepped up as special and some of
the minutes that we're seeing really quality minutes from eight
and you know what I think we're going to see
and I don't want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't want to do something.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That you know, Lakers fans will be plenty happy to
if they demolished the Jazz and Lebron plays, you know,
even insignificant minutes, but looks good, looks healthy. They're gonna
be There's gonna be plenty of Laker ball washing, but
I think they're gonna be just fine. I think that this,
come the end of what is a very very long
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regular season, is going to look like a blip on
the radar. Oh do you remember when you know Lebron
was heard early in the season, gosh, doesn't he look
great again? And man, maybe that was the best thing
for the Lakers to happen, was him go out of
the lineup for a little bit and all these guys
around Lebron to start believing himself and college gee Jj
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Reddick is just such a great coach. I can already
see the headlines being written. And it's going to be
much to the nausea of the rest of the basketball
watching public because most people don't want or root for
Lakers success.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But I think that's where this is heading.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I just want to be relevant, you know, come
Game eighty and in the mix and healthy and with
those two guys on the court, and maybe Austin Reeves
continues to become a little bit of one of those
you know, little engine that could you know success stories
that folks love so much.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, and I think it's all gonna work out in
the end. Here here's what I will say in the
short term if it doesn't okay, because I do want
to swing the pendulum the other way and play Devil's
advocate because it's more fun that way.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Absolutely, this is what I think will happen.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Look, everybody has strong allegiances until until they don't. And
we've seen this many times with Lebron James, Like when
there needs to be somebody holding the bag for him
publicly for whatever's wrong with the team, he'll find someone
to go ahead and take out the trash. And whether
they're a willing participant or not. How many teammates have
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we seen all of a sudden be at the center
of you know, scuttle butt of some sort where they're
getting blamed. Lebron is you know, Scott free In the meantime,
I think where this might go is potentially and I
don't know how it's going to be worded, whether it's
how many minutes players are getting or the rotation you're
(27:53):
gonna start hearing sourced reports about JJ Reddick and how
he's mishandling this roster. That's where I think goes if
Lebron struggles out the gates, if the team struggles with
him being sort of implemented into the lineup after being
out for so long and the chemistry being so good,
(28:13):
if it's a herky jerky month here say for the Lakers,
which in the grand scheme of things isn't very long,
but people can lose their mind over a month, I
think you're going to start seeing a lot of people
make the probably correct assumption that the biggest issue is
they're having a hard time readjusting to Lebron being in
the lineup. And what you're going to see is the
(28:35):
counter attack from his PR camp and Clutch media and
all of the folks that surround him in his orbit
sourcing reports about how JJ Reddick is mishandling this roster
and because somebody's got to hold the back.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Oh sure, it is not going to be the key,
so so.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Who yeah, so who's going to be the fall guy?
And I have a feeling it's going to be the
head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Rich What if I were to tell you Lebron just
got to warm.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Ups, not completely shocked people at home after a five
game road actually didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But it's believable, right.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, it is believable. You know what I would say,
I would say both are likely. I don't know what's
more likely, but both are likely. He gets booed or
he gets cheered for in warm ups.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Good, be no question about it.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
That's how fickle the LA market can be.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
There's no no doubt about it. Hey, be sure to
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half point favorites. As we get ready for Hip Off
coming up next, and that makes the perfect time to
sign it over to the news desk to our guy,
a man's man, man of information. It's Steve to say,
(30:10):
and a good evening to you of somebody. We start
with the NFL.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
As Bengals star wide receiver Jamar Chase is out this
weekend as one game suspension was upheld tonight. Texans quarterback
c J. Stroud with his concussion. We'll miss a third
straight game this Thursday against the Bills. Quarterback Davis Mills
will start again for Houston. Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will
not need surgery on his broken left wrist. He will
not practice Wednesday, but reportedly he is pushing to play
(30:37):
Sunday at Chicago. Pittsburgh is optimistic the running back Jalen
Warren will play despite an ankle injury. Steelers defensive back
Darius Slay is still in concussion protocol. Titans wide receiver
Calvin Ridley was placed on injured reserve with a broken leg.
Cardinals running back a Mari de Mercado is likely out
this weekend with a high ankle spring well. The new
(30:57):
college football playoff rankings are out the Seas evening. The
top three stayed the same with number one Ohio State
in Indiana and Texas A and M. Georgia now number four.
Oklahoma up to number eight in the country, then number
nine Notre Dame, and number ten Alabama. Sobama would just
barely make the playoff at this point. Not making the
playoff at this point number eleven BYU or number twelve
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Utah because number thirteen Miami would be in if it's
the ACC champion. Also in would be Tulane at number
twenty four in the country. Tulane would be the best
of the so called group of five teams.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
As of now.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
The matchups would be Alabama in a first round game
at Oregon, and next month it would be Notre Dame
at Oklahoma in the first round. The top four would
get first round bys. College football selection Sunday is December
the seventh. There's a doubleheader of college basketball tonight at
Madison Square Garden. Already at a top twenty matchup, Michigan
State rold Kentucky eighty three to sixty six. Number five
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Duke leads can Is sixty to fifty three with under
ten minutes to go. In the NBA, the Spurs won
one eleven one oh one over Memphis de Aaron Fox
with twenty six points. Victor wemen Yama is out with
a strained calf and the Spurs Defon Castle with a
strained hip, will be reevaluated in one to two weeks.
He was Rookie of the Year last season. Milwaukee's Giannis
(32:20):
Antennacumpo could miss up to two weeks with a strain groin.
Lebron James of La is making his season debut tonight
after a bad back the Lakers at ten and four
about to tip off hosting the Utah Jazz. There is
a game later than that in a half an hour
Phoenix at Portland. Memphis, by the way, had lost four
in a row going into its l at San Antonio tonight,
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but Detroit has won eleven in a row after a
victory at Atlanta one twenty to one. Twelve victories for
Boston and Orlando among the NHL games, eight of them tonight.
Islanders now have a three to two lead in the
final seconds at Dallas. Tampa Bay a five to one
winner over New Jersey show to Imanaga accepted a qualifying
(33:02):
offer to stay with the Cubs. Spain and Belgium among
those earning spots in next summer's World Cup, and US
men's soccer had its final game this year, winning an
exhibition in Tampa five to one over Uruguay. The Americans
led three nothing after about thirty minutes and four nothing
late in the first half.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Back to you, thanks so much, Steve. As we continue
here from the Fox Sports Radio studios, Mike Carvin alongside
Rich Ornberger. At Ornberger where you find him, O h
R N ask dr gr that's right, Ask Rich. It's
not become the drop because of the Rich Samini fun
back and forth Aaron Glenn when he got all indignant
(33:41):
a week ago. So it's your name and you get
spotlighted a lot, Ask Rich.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Ask Rich, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Not a bad way. I don't have an answer much.
Ask Rich. He may not have any idea what we're
talking about, but ask him.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah. Please, do have you questions our fair game?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Honestly, well you are the doctor at Orberger if you
have those questions. But coming up next, as we heard
in the update, the new college football playoff rankings in
first round projected matchups are out. A number twenty four
is part of the mix that gets people with their
handwringing going. We'll see what the explanations are this week,
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because last week it was all about how the eye
test looked and style points did that hold for another week,
We'll talk.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 3 (34:40):
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The way tire buying should be. As we surmise, perhaps
a bit of awkwardness reacquaintance kind of moments here for
the Los Angeles Lakers as they're kind of standing around
reintroducing themselves to each other. Is Utah's jumped out to
a sixteen to six lead by midway through the first
(35:24):
for the Lakers. They got two shots up in the
first three minutes of an NBA game in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, and are in our world. This is what you
would call not working.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
But again again, like I mean, we're talking about Q
one of the very first game that Lebron is on
the foot the shows now shorn Berger, Yeah, yeah, I
know that's true. But still, I mean, we're not even
all the way halfway through the first quarter, and I
asked Frostburg, I'm like, do you think they should call
(36:01):
it like a season? Do you think it's over? And
Hugh was like, now, come on, come on, there's still time.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
He's gonna send me that greasy guy as soon as
they draw even there's a gift that he sends me,
the guy mouthing the word Nakers with his big fake
gold chain on. So we'll see that, I'm sure later
on as we go. Lebron in the early going over
one took a three point shot, and we'll see as
this game continues, the fluidity and how the rotations work.
(36:29):
But certainly a curiosity. One more game on the slate,
the eight pm Peacock game that'll come up that has
everybody also wringing their hands because of well it's eleven
o'clock East Coast time before you get a tip off,
so some of that saltiness that rolls through. But earlier
this evening we got the latest iteration of the college
football rankings rich for the college football playoffs up the top.
(36:55):
You know, we get this the usual suspect stated in
one through three. So that's all fine. Alabama drops after
losing to Oklahoma, so now you've got number four Georgia.
It jumps up Texas Tech sitting at number five. A
week ago, we were listening to the committee talk about
style points and oh they settled for too many field
goals for their liking. So it felt like we were
(37:18):
back in the Spurrier and Bowden days with some of
the commentary that they had last week. This week a
lot centering on Mario Christobal, where we've got Miami at thirteen,
but they jump into the back end of the playoff
grid as we sit here today, and you've got the
head to head win over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame's
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two losses come into ranked teams versus Miami losing to
SMU and Louisville. So plenty of football to be played
to sort this all out. But the politicking goes on
as soon as the numbers hit the sheets.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, yeah, there's no question about it.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I mean, look, I think some of the broad sweeps
and strokes you can make looking at this CFP, I mean,
first and foremost, what I'll say is, I mean, not
as many SEC teams looking as dangerous as they did
to start the season. Sure, I mean, that's that's one
(38:22):
of the things that sticks out of my mind. I mean,
you know, I'm looking at the twelve teams that would
be invited into the postseason. It's like, hey, where are
you Texas. Wasn't everybody where are you? You know, it
wasn't everybody really excited about you know, it's like, we
don't know, you never know, you know, you start the
(38:43):
season with all these bold proclamations, and I'll give you
another one that's kind of rattling around in my brain, like,
I don't think that the teams emerging from the Big
Ten are nearly as battle tested as the teams emerging
from what has become an extreme contentious SEC. You know,
so Ohio State's sitting pretty if you start to really
(39:06):
investigate their strength of schedule. I mean, you can make
some arguments and I'm not going to call them overrated.
But my co host on Countdown over the Weekends, Brian No,
he'd make that argument right here on Fox Sports Radio, And.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
A lot of that comes from his Notre Dame base
from growing.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So yeah, there's no question about it.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
There his his colors don't run and you know his
gold Yeah. Yeah, but but but you know, look, I mean,
if you are going to do some further deeper investigation
into Ohio STATEA, I wouldn't call them frauds, not by
a long shot.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
But there are some people who are eager to Indiana.
Are we thinking that they're going to survive well against
the strength of the SEC. I don't know, but I'm
I'm not completely commenced Oregon to me.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Eyeball test wise.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
They've got some really actual playmakers around a very young,
untested quarterback who's had a brilliant season.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
But do they look like Oregon of last year.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
There's there's some question marks around the Big ten and
so look, this list will change. We know there are
going to be more upsets this season. If there's one
thing you can guarantee week to week is more upsets
in college football.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I think one of the big things when we
go through you get on the play, what's on the schedule,
and until we get to a super conference crossover, you know,
kill a crossover event or everybody realizes, you know, where
the next big pot of gold Is, which is more
Big Ten in SEC battles that this is where we're
(40:43):
going to get.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
We go through the regular season and there's always going
to be haves and have nots, and it becomes the
question of do you do you then have relegation. Fortunately,
my Northwestern squad is good enough this year that they
wouldn't be there. But you know, we'll get to another
Big Ten topic as the show goes on. But but
it's just that, Rich, It's like, you play the schedule
and then if you go into the postseason. Once upon
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a time, it was the bowl season, right, and you'd
have guys teams roll through, say the Big Ten or
another conference, and then they'd go up against the teams
of the SEC, which were better athletes and better speed
at the wide receiver position, better cornerbacks, and you were
right back. It's just twenty years later, not much has
(41:27):
changed in that regard. He's Rich orn Berger on Mike
Carmon here Fox Sports Radio. As we continue a little
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long time voice here on the weekends here Fox Sports Radio,
and we're always pleased when he joins us. It's doctor
Rich Hornberg. You hear him down in San Diego each
and every day. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Brother, The doctor is in. I made it.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I've journeyed far and wide, well actually really just over
the to the spare bedroom, to broadcast see Alive, and
all over the nation. As you mentioned all those affiliates.
We're glad that you're with us tonight. And even though
Jason's not here, I'm gonna do my best to bang
the drum for the Jets and Jason Fields and gosh,
(01:35):
I mean they are just.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, we don't need any more Justin Fields talk. It's
a final no, okay, all right, fair enough, he's been deposed.
We established that yesterday that the era of Justin Fields
as a starter with the New York Football Jets are
really seemingly anywhere should be done. So congratulations on a
job done, and God bless he walked away with an
(01:59):
awful lot of cheddar for the effort that he put forth.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
This is what I'll say about Justin Fields. You know, look,
I think that it is really hard to be a
quarterback in the NFL and both observing the game now
as a fan like everyone else, in an analyst, and
during my time playing when you share the rooms with
those guys, you realize you got to be built different
(02:25):
to handle the stress and the strain of facing the
media for every little thing. I mean, and the bigger
the spotlight, the harder it is to operate. I mean,
they even break down how Patrick Mahomes walks. There are
like tiktoks and Instagram reels just highlighting how goofy he
looks when he walks, when he walks Mike, I mean,
(02:47):
like everything is under scrutiny. So it's just one of
those things where heavy is the head that wears a crown.
Like you said, he's a very rich man and a
lot of people have a hard time, you know, crying
big boohoo tears for millionaires, get to play a kids
game for King Ransom.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But but I will say it's really hard.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yes, just because it hasn't worked out for a couple
of teams for a couple of years doesn't mean we
haven't seen his best yet. Just look at Gino Smith
with the Seahawks when he had his re emergence. It
hasn't held. But look at Sam Darnold his re emergence
with the Vikings. He's made the Seahawks better since he's
been there, you know, So I'm I guess I'm gonna
(03:27):
say it looks like it could be over for Justin Fields.
It may certainly be over for him in New York,
but I'm not ready to write off any quarterbacks in
today's NFL because we've seen a lot of second and
third acts to careers where we thought they were dead
in the water.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's one of the things we talk about quite a
bit on the show Rich the opportunity, the circumstances to
where you're drafted and later to the opportunities you get
coaching staffs, and the fact that it's a veritable marrigal
round seemingly with all but a five franchises.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They put up the graphic with the the Raider game,
which ties us directly back to Gino Smith, who was
very u I don't want to say, despondent, defiant, whatever
the term you would be, with his postgame comments kind
of talking about the EBB and flow of where they're
at offensively and play calling and everything else. But they
had the graphic up there. You know, Pete Carroll's the
(04:22):
fifth coach since twenty twenty, and there were three other
teams that were on that graphic with them, right, So,
I mean just talking about the merry go round, not
to mention the coordinator thing. I mean, whenever we get
into discussions about Jalen Hurts, you know, you'd be remiss
to not bring up the fact that he's had a
different coordinator or quarterback coach or both pretty much every
(04:44):
year of his professional and collegiate life. So you know,
the messaging is going to be different, the terminology, the
play calling, philosophy, all of that stuff. So quarterback position again,
with injuries this week, we're already into the mid fifties.
Think in terms of how many different guys have started
a game. That's how that's how crazy is it?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And I think part of that is obviously there's always injuries,
and we saw a rash of injuries at the quarterback position,
Penix and Gabriel and you know, Aaron Rodgers went down
like you know there. You know, some will be back soon.
It sounds like maybe Rogers was gonna suit up or
try to suit up for next Sunday's game, and some
it'll take some time. But yeah, that's part of the
the you know, the dialogue. Brock was hurt for a
(05:29):
while out in forty nine land for a little while.
But also I think there's a shorter leash and a
quicker hook with a lot of these staffs because they
realize that the hourglass is running out for them too.
So if things aren't working, we know how quick owners
are to dismiss head coaches now, and so they go
(05:52):
to the understudy quicker these days than ever before. Long
since have passed the days where you'll let a quarterback
toil out there for years and finally figure it out
year three, like, oh yeah, you know, it took him
a couple of seasons, but it's really starting to click here. No, no, no,
no no, because wins overall are the only thing that
(06:15):
ownership groups care about these days, and if you don't
have them, you are not long for the job of
head coach in this league. And if you don't protect
yourself from losing that job, you're not going to establish
any player, let alone a quarterback. So yeah, it doesn't
shock me, Mike with that number you give, but over
fifty quarterbacks at this point in the season, I mean
(06:35):
it's a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
That's a lot of starters.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, I mean, we're just talking two three here, and there.
I mean, we're talking about the Browns moving on and
probably Sanders under center this week. So all of those things,
you know, that come to bear. But you know, we
talk about the where we're at in terms of coaches tenure.
I mean, you watched it with with Brian Dable. Now
you knew you'd see Jackson Dart sooner rather than later.
Just they traded back up to get him, and Russell
(07:00):
Wilson was well what Russell Wilson has become. But all
in all, it became the all right, this also becomes
the this potentially gives me a life raft to extend
my time in this job. And unfortunately the way he
handled Jackson Dart, the fact that they continue to lose
obviously helps nothing in that regard. But the fact that
(07:21):
Jackson Dart found himself in the medical tent week after
week you had the embarrassing thing of running into said
medical tent. All of that, you know, just piled up
to where Maren and Shane Jane had to show that
he still deserved his suit and is suite at the
end of the hallway, so he had to make that
move as well. So we're just in that strange time
(07:42):
in the National Football League going into Week twelve, four
teams on by, but so many guys that we do
the laundry list, like the end of the cable movie
right where they're starting the new one, So the credits
roll at about three times the speed, and it's a
lot of names. That's where we're at in the NFL season.
If you go team by team on their injury reports.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah, that's such a good comparison. And it's true, like
you know, it whizzes by the screen because it's a
mile long and and yeah, you know, look, it's what.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Have you done for me lately? League?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Like all of a sudden, the Chiefs, who you know
are going to welcome in the Colts off of bye,
who have been great this season, you know that they've
got to be shaken in their boots a little bit,
even though Arrowhead has been a house.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Of horrors for AFC teams.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You know, if you drop to five and six, especially
in kind of a crowded bottom of the wild card
in that conference, man, you know, all of a sudden
you got some problems. I mean, especially with Baltimore at
a five hundred record playing the way they are. You know,
I'm not saying Andy Reid is anywhere near losing his job.
(08:48):
He's not, And I certainly wouldn't say that for John Harbaugh,
especially since Lamar's come back. And you can see sort
of the you know, the the sigh of relief from
Baltimore fans, especially after a big win, a demonstrative win
this past weekend. But there there are those those feelings
of when things are going wrong for even a franchise
(09:11):
that has had sustained and continued success, there are those feelings.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Of, ooh, we've.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
All been waiting for the other shoe to drop. We
knew that the end of the era was coming soon.
Maybe it's arrived. And then we also know how loyal
ownership groups can be when the good stops being so good,
you know, all of a sudden, the honeymoon phase is
over all. The winning drives up a little bit, the
fans start booing from the stands in the third quarter,
(09:40):
in the fourth quarter at home, and there's that tinge
of embarrassment. You know, it's it's it's interesting where we're
at in the NFL, but it's it's the most wonderful
time of the year. As soon as you start smelling Thanksgiving, Turkey, Mike,
you really start seeing who's the cream of the crop,
and you can start weeding out the dregs of the league.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, funny. Just to put it in perspective from the AFC,
the Chiefs are still plus seventy three in point differential,
that's third in the conference for their five and five
record to this point. Some close losses and all those
one possession losses which has become the hallmark of their
squad right, winning ugly and finishing the job this week
(10:21):
Denver the latest example of an opportunity to go get
them resplendent in those throwback uniforms of course, where we
celebrate those all the time, but the inability to push
them all downfield. I would love to circle back to
the Lamar Jackson for a second. The fact that Mark
Andrews has to be used as your short yardage guy
because Derrick Henry can't do it, and you've got him
(10:44):
doing a pivot rollout. I mean, you ever think about
doing one of those moves back in your playing days.
I'm in one of those. Hey watch me do this
reverse pivot and get to the edge. I mean, my goodness,
there was I love that plan. So if you can't
beat him join them start there. The Jalen Hurts tush
push dilemma that the Eagles put the entirety of the
(11:08):
league in led to an ownership vote that did not
get passed to ban the play. So what's happened in reaction, Well,
exactly what you thought would happen. A bunch of teams
practiced really hard this offseason the play that they couldn't
get banned, and so the Buffalo Bills, a team that
voted against it, the Ravens, a team that voted against
(11:28):
it and wanted it banned from the league.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
They're both employing the tush push this year.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
There's a lot of teams that have changed heart over
this play, and the Ravens have taken it to a
new level because now they're running some trickeration. You have
a backfield where Mark Andrews is your quarterback under center,
you have Lamar back there, you have Derrick Henry, and
you have a play like you drew up last Sunday
where Lamar and Derrick Henry go one way, and then
(11:53):
you have a reverse pivot from the quarterback who's supposed
to be the tush push or so to speak, and
he rolls out with a lead block from a fullback
in front of him to the right side. Literally nobody
was home. He was in a foot race with the skycam. Yeah,
and guess what he won. And it was just a
beautifully designed and beautifully executed play.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, anytime we could actually get a mention of a
full back into an NFL play, we get excited around
these parts. Ricard with the big block, Yeah. The bigger
thing is also just the curiosity of Lamar going forward
where he is health wise, because the explosiveness with his
legs doesn't seem to be there, which may be a
limiting factor as we go forward, but certainly something to watch.
(12:37):
But they're on a nice winning streak and the schedule
opens for them quite nicely. So AFC is going to
be a jumbled mess. And for Kansas City haters, all
those folks that hate Love and Taylor Swift and Travis
Kelsey who didn't talk to the media after the latest loss,
it's all good for you because, well you got a
month and a half of the holidays to annoy your
(12:58):
family if they're chiefs with your hatred thereof, And we
always like to see someone new rise up, and when
we do. I mean, you remember the Patriots. You watched
it live and in living color. How things suddenly turned
on you. You went from being cute and cod lea
to we're tired of these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, people, people very quickly.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Look, you know, the Patriots for a long time were
kind of lovable losers of the NFL. You know, they
were in no one's way. They were an easy win
for a lot of AFC teams and really a lot
of the AFC East. And then that all changed when
Kraft bought the team, hired Bill Belichick. The rest is history.
But even even the Patriots are more palatable now about
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a handful of years departed from the Brady Belichick eras
with rabel who, by the way, is fresh off of
that Belichick tree, and Drake May, Drake May. It just
feels different, It feels new. It feels okay to maybe
root for the Patriots a little bit now, whereas if
you go rewind the clock a half decade ago, nobody
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wanted the Patriots to win. But that's the thing in
the NFL. You have a target on your back once
you achieve sustained effect or success, and it's happening with
the Eagles. It's obviously already happened with the Kansas City Chiefs.
And even though the Lions have been a down and
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out franchise for years and years and years, if you
fast forward the clock three years from now, and the
Lions are making the postseason constantly, and they're making championship
games constantly, and dare I say, get to a Super
Bowl or even win one. People will tire of the
Honolulu Blue too. It's just the way fandom goes league
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wide in all these leagues. You know, the Dodgers are
feeling it now, It'll be who knows the Yankees again?
Soon here it'll be the Mets maybe one day, if
they can ever get out of their own way.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
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Speaker 3 (15:00):
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with Giant Italises and such. Today is the forty second
anniversary of the release to me of one of the
most overrated films of all time. A Christmas story. Almost
as many years ago, Lebron James made his NBA debut. Okay,
(17:33):
it's only twenty three, but he gets back on the
court tonight. He took to the fun and exciting of
the world of the media yesterday to shied everybody who
had been calling him old and making fun of his sciatica.
I hope you never get it. I hope you never
get because waiting for a little guy to pop up
with a violin to play behind him. But he makes
(17:54):
his return tonight, rich after missing the open to this season,
season twenty three again just a new World Order, part
cyborg and all of those things that we joke about.
Lakers have been one of the fun surprises to the
early part of this NBA campaign. Now in the middle
of this road trip, but ten and four on the year,
(18:16):
fourth in the Western Conference, great minutes parsed out, even
missing some Luka Doncia's time. You've had other guys step
up and they've had a really good rotation. And now
we get to sit back with our popcorn as this unfolds,
and a big matchup against the Utah Jazz, the plucky
Utah Jazz. How about that? That's the term I'll use
(18:37):
for them here to see if that disrupts the apple
cart and creates some chaos for JJ Redick.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
So my take on Lebron being added to this lineup
is there's two sides to this coin. I'm gonna go
with all the positives. First, Lebron James even what twenty
three years, twenty three plus years, I mean I've lost.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Count twenty three league.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Yeah, here we go, is still one of the most
dominant players on the planet, like worthy of double teams
at times. I mean, if he catches the hot hand,
what do you do? You know, you slide defense his way,
you get help, principles in the lane. He is one
of the best athletes on the planet. At forty one
years of age, still can do all the things it
(19:24):
appears he could do.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
In his twenties.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
You know, there's an ageless sentiment to him, very similar
to Tom Brady, how like a fine wine. He sort
of aged well, went down to Tampa Bay in his
forties and put up career numbers and won a Super
Bowl for them the first year out of New England.
Lebron James with the Lakers, obvious already has won a
championship this guy, he's special. Having said that, what's happening
(19:52):
with the Lakers right now, with Luca and this upstart
group and this starting five they've assembled in his stead,
has also been special. And so there's this feeling of
what is gonna happen here? Is there gonna be all
of a sudden a very large and insanely talented yet
(20:13):
a little rusty fly in the ointment where all of
the fun that the kids were having, or the mice
we're having while the cat was away, whatever analogy or
metaphor you want to use, is it all gonna go
away now? So I know that sounds like I'm speaking
out of two sides of my mouth, but we really
don't know what we're about to see. It could it
(20:34):
could be somewhere you know that swings toward the positive
where it's a plus ad just like it's always been.
You add Lebron to the lineup and it's like stirring,
you know, nest quick in a glass of milk.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
It makes it better, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
We can all get behind yeah, or who knows.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I'd mean, maybe he jumps in and things start going
wrong and there's a bunch of finger pointing, but everybody
obviously knows what the big differences you know or could
land somewhere in between. What's your read on this situation?
If you had to choose a side, where do you think?
Where do you think this goes from here?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I think it's awkward off the jump, for the fact
that a lot of the guys who've been getting pretty
heavy rotation minutes have to go back and find their
roles again, right to where maybe they got a few
minutes to warm up before they needed to take a
shot or make a meaningful play because they were getting
fifteen minutes, Well, suddenly they're down to eight or ten,
(21:33):
and the touches are different, the rotations are different, how
the spacing on the floor is will change, and then
how much ball stopping do we get from either side? Right,
we watched it last year. Sometimes it worked really well
together right for a lot of the season, But then
there were certainly parts of games where Lebron's ball dominant
(21:58):
and Luca's just kind of standing over on the side
just staring at him or vice versa and waiting for
however the play was gonna break down, right, it becomes
the one on one, get to the whole kind of situation.
You've gotten great minutes from eighton and Marcus Smart two
veterans getting after For DeAndre Ayton, remember his season debut,
(22:18):
the poison bends were already out. Instead, he's a guy
now averaging thirty minutes a game, sixteen points and eight boards.
Lebron last year was a twenty four to eight to
eight guy. So you're hoping to PLoP something like that in.
But for la Ravia gave Vincent back in tonight, Dalton
connect and guys all the way on that part of
(22:41):
the extreme, Like how much does being relegated to fewer
minutes and a shorter rotation perhaps affect how they get
that buy in and flow that they've managed so well
in the early going.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, well, you know it does help when the guy
who's coming in to still your minutes as Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, No, that's I mean, psychologically sure, but it is
you know, it's still the all right, I'm not touching
the ball and I may not be seeing a court
nearly as much as I was where we're not you know,
playing matchups and whatever the same way. So for JJ Reddick,
I think it's an interesting an interesting balance here, you know,
(23:21):
And also how many minutes are we expecting off the jump?
I have no idea, right, you know, we had the
the odds went up for the the old Hey, Lebron
always scores ten in a game. Let me see if
I can find those right quick, because I saw that
graphic pop up, which was kind of funny because they
grabbed about as ridiculous an image of Lebron to reinforce
(23:44):
that as they could, one of those big if you
overlaid the grinch, I mean, that was the kind of
grin he had in the moment. Let's see, it was
Lebron to score ten or more points minus four thousand,
score fewer than ten points, sixteen to one. Yeah, yeah,
just the expectation. He comes in and he's going to
(24:05):
play his minutes, a lot of pregame shoot around. I'm
curious what's on his playlist as he's going through his motions.
But I don't know. It's exciting for the NBA. You've
lost so many guys to injury. We've already seen a
laundry list of stars from Wemba Yama and John Morant,
Anthony Davis, the old Laker, I mean, and we've we've
(24:26):
watched all of the reports out of there. Dico Harrison
got himself fired already, you know, all all of those
things that have flown through. But the Kawhi Leonard missing time,
no big shock. But when you talk about star power,
Giannis is now going to miss time because of a
groin injury. NBA needs Lebron James back right now as
we hit the holidays.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, and shout out to Nika Harrison. You're snuck
in a call out. Yeah, I mean easily the MVP
of the Lakers this season. I mean, he's really who
helped assemble all this you were I was joking with Frostburg.
He was like, which Kobe statue do you think they're
gonna take down for Nico's statue? You know? And how
(25:09):
many how many championships will he be awarded in in
Los Angeles?
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You know, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Yeah, Doncic is special, and Lebron is special, and the
way Reeves has stepped up as special and some of
the minutes that we're seeing really quality minutes from eight
and you know what I think we're going to see
and I don't want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't want to do something.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That you know, Lakers fans will be plenty happy to
if they demolished the Jazz and Lebron plays, you know,
even insignificant minutes, but looks good, looks healthy. They're gonna
be There's gonna be plenty of Laker ball washing, but
I think they're gonna be just fine. I think that this,
come the end of what is a very very long
(25:55):
regular season, is going to look like a blip on
the radar. Oh do you remember when you know Lebron
was heard early in the season, gosh, doesn't he look
great again? And man, maybe that was the best thing
for the Lakers to happen, was him go out of
the lineup for a little bit and all these guys
around Lebron to start believing himself and college gee Jj
(26:17):
Reddick is just such a great coach. I can already
see the headlines being written. And it's going to be
much to the nausea of the rest of the basketball
watching public because most people don't want or root for
Lakers success.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But I think that's where this is heading.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I just want to be relevant, you know, come
Game eighty and in the mix and healthy and with
those two guys on the court, and maybe Austin Reeves
continues to become a little bit of one of those
you know, little engine that could you know success stories
that folks love so much.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, and I think it's all gonna work out in
the end. Here here's what I will say in the
short term if it doesn't okay, because I do want
to swing the pendulum the other way and play Devil's
advocate because it's more fun that way.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Absolutely, this is what I think will happen.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Look, everybody has strong allegiances until until they don't. And
we've seen this many times with Lebron James, Like when
there needs to be somebody holding the bag for him
publicly for whatever's wrong with the team, he'll find someone
to go ahead and take out the trash. And whether
they're a willing participant or not. How many teammates have
(27:30):
we seen all of a sudden be at the center
of you know, scuttle butt of some sort where they're
getting blamed. Lebron is you know, Scott free In the meantime,
I think where this might go is potentially and I
don't know how it's going to be worded, whether it's
how many minutes players are getting or the rotation you're
(27:53):
gonna start hearing sourced reports about JJ Reddick and how
he's mishandling this roster. That's where I think goes if
Lebron struggles out the gates, if the team struggles with
him being sort of implemented into the lineup after being
out for so long and the chemistry being so good,
(28:13):
if it's a herky jerky month here say for the Lakers,
which in the grand scheme of things isn't very long,
but people can lose their mind over a month, I
think you're going to start seeing a lot of people
make the probably correct assumption that the biggest issue is
they're having a hard time readjusting to Lebron being in
the lineup. And what you're going to see is the
(28:35):
counter attack from his PR camp and Clutch media and
all of the folks that surround him in his orbit
sourcing reports about how JJ Reddick is mishandling this roster
and because somebody's got to hold the back.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Oh sure, it is not going to be the key,
so so.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Who yeah, so who's going to be the fall guy?
And I have a feeling it's going to be the
head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Rich What if I were to tell you Lebron just
got to warm.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Ups, not completely shocked people at home after a five
game road actually didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But it's believable, right.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, it is believable. You know what I would say,
I would say both are likely. I don't know what's
more likely, but both are likely. He gets booed or
he gets cheered for in warm ups.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Good, be no question about it.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
That's how fickle the LA market can be.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
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coming up next, and that makes the perfect time to
sign it over to the news desk to our guy,
a man's man, man of information. It's Steve to say,
(30:10):
and a good evening to you of somebody. We start
with the NFL.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
As Bengals star wide receiver Jamar Chase is out this
weekend as one game suspension was upheld tonight. Texans quarterback
c J. Stroud with his concussion. We'll miss a third
straight game this Thursday against the Bills. Quarterback Davis Mills
will start again for Houston. Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will
not need surgery on his broken left wrist. He will
not practice Wednesday, but reportedly he is pushing to play
(30:37):
Sunday at Chicago. Pittsburgh is optimistic the running back Jalen
Warren will play despite an ankle injury. Steelers defensive back
Darius Slay is still in concussion protocol. Titans wide receiver
Calvin Ridley was placed on injured reserve with a broken leg.
Cardinals running back a Mari de Mercado is likely out
this weekend with a high ankle spring well. The new
(30:57):
college football playoff rankings are out the Seas evening. The
top three stayed the same with number one Ohio State
in Indiana and Texas A and M. Georgia now number four.
Oklahoma up to number eight in the country, then number
nine Notre Dame, and number ten Alabama. Sobama would just
barely make the playoff at this point. Not making the
playoff at this point number eleven BYU or number twelve
(31:20):
Utah because number thirteen Miami would be in if it's
the ACC champion. Also in would be Tulane at number
twenty four in the country. Tulane would be the best
of the so called group of five teams.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
As of now.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
The matchups would be Alabama in a first round game
at Oregon, and next month it would be Notre Dame
at Oklahoma in the first round. The top four would
get first round bys. College football selection Sunday is December
the seventh. There's a doubleheader of college basketball tonight at
Madison Square Garden. Already at a top twenty matchup, Michigan
State rold Kentucky eighty three to sixty six. Number five
(31:59):
Duke leads can Is sixty to fifty three with under
ten minutes to go. In the NBA, the Spurs won
one eleven one oh one over Memphis de Aaron Fox
with twenty six points. Victor wemen Yama is out with
a strained calf and the Spurs Defon Castle with a
strained hip, will be reevaluated in one to two weeks.
He was Rookie of the Year last season. Milwaukee's Giannis
(32:20):
Antennacumpo could miss up to two weeks with a strain groin.
Lebron James of La is making his season debut tonight
after a bad back the Lakers at ten and four
about to tip off hosting the Utah Jazz. There is
a game later than that in a half an hour
Phoenix at Portland. Memphis, by the way, had lost four
in a row going into its l at San Antonio tonight,
(32:42):
but Detroit has won eleven in a row after a
victory at Atlanta one twenty to one. Twelve victories for
Boston and Orlando among the NHL games, eight of them tonight.
Islanders now have a three to two lead in the
final seconds at Dallas. Tampa Bay a five to one
winner over New Jersey show to Imanaga accepted a qualifying
(33:02):
offer to stay with the Cubs. Spain and Belgium among
those earning spots in next summer's World Cup, and US
men's soccer had its final game this year, winning an
exhibition in Tampa five to one over Uruguay. The Americans
led three nothing after about thirty minutes and four nothing
late in the first half.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Back to you, thanks so much, Steve. As we continue
here from the Fox Sports Radio studios, Mike Carvin alongside
Rich Ornberger. At Ornberger where you find him, O h
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(33:41):
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spotlighted a lot, Ask Rich.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Ask Rich, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Not a bad way. I don't have an answer much.
Ask Rich. He may not have any idea what we're
talking about, but ask him.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah. Please, do have you questions our fair game?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Honestly, well you are the doctor at Orberger if you
have those questions. But coming up next, as we heard
in the update, the new college football playoff rankings in
first round projected matchups are out. A number twenty four
is part of the mix that gets people with their
handwringing going. We'll see what the explanations are this week,
(34:24):
because last week it was all about how the eye
test looked and style points did that hold for another week,
We'll talk.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 3 (34:40):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show. Well
with me, Mike Garman. No Jason Smith tonight, it instead,
we got our guy Rich Ornberger in with us hey.
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a bit of awkwardness reacquaintance kind of moments here for
the Los Angeles Lakers as they're kind of standing around
reintroducing themselves to each other. Is Utah's jumped out to
a sixteen to six lead by midway through the first
(35:24):
for the Lakers. They got two shots up in the
first three minutes of an NBA game in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, and are in our world. This is what you
would call not working.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
But again again, like I mean, we're talking about Q
one of the very first game that Lebron is on
the foot the shows now shorn Berger, Yeah, yeah, I
know that's true. But still, I mean, we're not even
all the way halfway through the first quarter, and I
asked Frostburg, I'm like, do you think they should call
(36:01):
it like a season? Do you think it's over? And
Hugh was like, now, come on, come on, there's still time.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
He's gonna send me that greasy guy as soon as
they draw even there's a gift that he sends me,
the guy mouthing the word Nakers with his big fake
gold chain on. So we'll see that, I'm sure later
on as we go. Lebron in the early going over
one took a three point shot, and we'll see as
this game continues, the fluidity and how the rotations work.
(36:29):
But certainly a curiosity. One more game on the slate,
the eight pm Peacock game that'll come up that has
everybody also wringing their hands because of well it's eleven
o'clock East Coast time before you get a tip off,
so some of that saltiness that rolls through. But earlier
this evening we got the latest iteration of the college
football rankings rich for the college football playoffs up the top.
(36:55):
You know, we get this the usual suspect stated in
one through three. So that's all fine. Alabama drops after
losing to Oklahoma, so now you've got number four Georgia.
It jumps up Texas Tech sitting at number five. A
week ago, we were listening to the committee talk about
style points and oh they settled for too many field
goals for their liking. So it felt like we were
(37:18):
back in the Spurrier and Bowden days with some of
the commentary that they had last week. This week a
lot centering on Mario Christobal, where we've got Miami at thirteen,
but they jump into the back end of the playoff
grid as we sit here today, and you've got the
head to head win over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame's
(37:42):
two losses come into ranked teams versus Miami losing to
SMU and Louisville. So plenty of football to be played
to sort this all out. But the politicking goes on
as soon as the numbers hit the sheets.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, yeah, there's no question about it.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I mean, look, I think some of the broad sweeps
and strokes you can make looking at this CFP, I mean,
first and foremost, what I'll say is, I mean, not
as many SEC teams looking as dangerous as they did
to start the season. Sure, I mean, that's that's one
(38:22):
of the things that sticks out of my mind. I mean,
you know, I'm looking at the twelve teams that would
be invited into the postseason. It's like, hey, where are
you Texas. Wasn't everybody where are you? You know, it
wasn't everybody really excited about you know, it's like, we
don't know, you never know, you know, you start the
(38:43):
season with all these bold proclamations, and I'll give you
another one that's kind of rattling around in my brain, like,
I don't think that the teams emerging from the Big
Ten are nearly as battle tested as the teams emerging
from what has become an extreme contentious SEC. You know,
so Ohio State's sitting pretty if you start to really
(39:06):
investigate their strength of schedule. I mean, you can make
some arguments and I'm not going to call them overrated.
But my co host on Countdown over the Weekends, Brian No,
he'd make that argument right here on Fox Sports Radio, And.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
A lot of that comes from his Notre Dame base
from growing.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So yeah, there's no question about it.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
There his his colors don't run and you know his
gold Yeah. Yeah, but but but you know, look, I mean,
if you are going to do some further deeper investigation
into Ohio STATEA, I wouldn't call them frauds, not by
a long shot.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
But there are some people who are eager to Indiana.
Are we thinking that they're going to survive well against
the strength of the SEC. I don't know, but I'm
I'm not completely commenced Oregon to me.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Eyeball test wise.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
They've got some really actual playmakers around a very young,
untested quarterback who's had a brilliant season.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
But do they look like Oregon of last year.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
There's there's some question marks around the Big ten and
so look, this list will change. We know there are
going to be more upsets this season. If there's one
thing you can guarantee week to week is more upsets
in college football.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I think one of the big things when we
go through you get on the play, what's on the schedule,
and until we get to a super conference crossover, you know,
kill a crossover event or everybody realizes, you know, where
the next big pot of gold Is, which is more
Big Ten in SEC battles that this is where we're
(40:43):
going to get.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
We go through the regular season and there's always going
to be haves and have nots, and it becomes the
question of do you do you then have relegation. Fortunately,
my Northwestern squad is good enough this year that they
wouldn't be there. But you know, we'll get to another
Big Ten topic as the show goes on. But but
it's just that, Rich, It's like, you play the schedule
and then if you go into the postseason. Once upon
(41:06):
a time, it was the bowl season, right, and you'd
have guys teams roll through, say the Big Ten or
another conference, and then they'd go up against the teams
of the SEC, which were better athletes and better speed
at the wide receiver position, better cornerbacks, and you were
right back. It's just twenty years later, not much has
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