May 16, 2025 • 41 mins
Caleb Williams and his dad have completely screwed his career. After what'll be an awkward next three months, if Caleb Williams doesn't start out hot for the Bears, they'll have no choice but to trade him as soon as they can, b/c you can't play in a city you never wanted to be in and expect it to go well w/teammates, fans, media.
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The knob off. Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Speaking of ripping the knob off, that's kind of what's
happening right now. Final minutes of the fourth quarter. Denver
leads Oklahoma City one oh nine ninety seven, about two
and a half minutes left to go. So the thunder
have cut this seventeen point lead to twelve, But it
has been the Nuggets in control of this game throughout
(01:27):
the fourth quarter, a close game. They well, you know,
thanks to four fouls on SGA. I mean, you know,
sure that help too, but uh, the Nuggets, uh, trying
to hold on here again, a twelve point lead with
about two and a half left to go. We'll have
more in this game coming up in a few minutes.
But the big I mean, I don't want to sit
here and over sell this. I don't want to oversell them.
(01:49):
Have you think this is gonna be something that's not
or oh, Jason, you're prisoner of the moment or whatever
it is. But I'm telling you how large this Caleb
Williams story is. According to ESPN Seth Wickersham's new book.
And think about when I say, Seth Wickersham, what do
you think.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Of, Oh, the ESPN, the.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Pay hates the Patriots, everybody hates each Look, Bob Kraft
right now is like, thank goodness, people can ask about
a different book and it's not just us right.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
He's like I wrote, other stories beyond this one. There's
lots of quarterback material.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All the dysfunction with the Patriots, how Craft hated, hated Belichick,
who hated Brady, who got rid of Jimmy Garoppola, all
this stuff. Now it's Caleb Williams and his dad in
the crosshairs.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Seth Wickersham's got a new book coming out called American Kings,
a biography of the quarterback and what it is. It's
it's about the quarterback position and players who play it
from high school to college to the NFL, and what
it's like for legends in retirement. So you get all
these star quarterbacks from what it's like in high school.
He talks about the recruitment of Arch Manning to what
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it's like playing in college, which gets into the Caleb
was part of it, and then great's playing now and
the ones who have retired like Elway, Johnny Unitas, Warren Moon,
Steve Young, all of these Kirk cousins and Drake may
also in the book right now, But all the smoke
is coming because of what's going on with Caleb Williams.
(03:17):
Where a quartering to Seth Wickersham's book, Caleb Williams was
so concerned about being picked by the Bears that before
the draft last year, he and his family tried to
circumvent the entire thing. They talked with lawyers to try
to find a way around the league's collective bargaining agreement.
Potentially they considered signing with the United Football League. I'm
gonna play here for a year and then I'll be
(03:39):
a free agent and I can go anywhere, because neither
of them wanted him to start his career with the Bears.
A quote from Carl Williams, according to the book, Chicago
is the place quarterbacks go to die. This is a
quote that Carl Williams old Seth Wickersham. This is not
a Seth Wickersham got this third hand source to say this.
This is Carl Williams telling Seth Wickersham Chicago is the
(04:03):
place quarterbacks go to die. Caleb Williams, do I want
to go there? I don't think I can do it
with Shane Waldron there the former Bears OC. Now the
good news is Shane Walter's not there anymore. But this
is what it was like leading up to the draft.
They trying to find a way out. Didn't want to
go to the Bears. When Caleb Williams met various representatives
from the Vikings, they really liked the Vikings, wanted to
(04:25):
get to the Vikings, tried to get around things. They
don't like the rookie cap, they don't like the CBA,
they don't like any of it, and potentially they look
to try to get out of going number one. Overall,
I gotta tell you this, and here's the thing, and
this is, whether you like it or not, this is
the reality. Caleb Williams has a month too, and I
(04:47):
mean beginning of the season, has a month to play
well because if not, it's over for him in Chicago.
When you say Chicago is the place quarterbacks go to die,
I don't want to go to Chicago. That upsets your teammates,
it upsets the coach. Even though it's new coaches, coaching staff,
and the fans and the media are gonna be relentless.
He is never going to get the benefit of the doubt. Oh,
(05:08):
you don't want to be in our city. You don't
want to be here. Okay, you know what, we don't
need you. If he starts out and plays great, Okay,
it'll be a tenuous relationship at best. Right, red tenuous
at best, but if he plays well, fans will forgive.
But they'll sit and wait. They'll wait for him to
have a bad three game streak and say, this guy's
gotta go. If he doesn't start out big, then Chicago's
(05:29):
gonna have no choice but to move on from him
after next year, because you can't have a guy there
who never wanted to be there, because he never wanted
to go to Chicago. Right, He's got to do all
kinds of damage control now about this, Like, I don't
care what you told Seth Wickersham. I don't care if
it's something that's out there that hey, we said this,
we said this. You got to distance yourself from this
because you have just royally screwed your career. Right, Caleb
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Williams and his dad have royally screwed his career. They
didn't they knew they I said last hour. They know
just enough to be dangerous, right, just enough to, hey,
let's try to circumvent the league and all these things
they tried to do. Well, we didn't know all about that.
We had heard there were things under the surface that
maybe Caleb Williams didn't want to go to the Bears,
but he went there, got drafted. Everything seemed fine. But
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now you have made it combative with a city and
an entire fan base and what should have been an
era of good feeling going in all the weapons they
got in the last two off seasons, how good the
drafts have been. Now it's gonna be this guy's got
a clock on his career in Chicago because they were
crazy enough and not forward thinking.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Enough to go.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
If we're saying this to a guy about a book,
it's gonna get out there and oh, by the way,
we're okay with going to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Did you think they're just gonna magically disappear? Like that's
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Like Carl Williams as his dad, knew just enough to
be dangerous because all he's done is screw Caleb Williams
career and made it more difficult for him, knowing full well,
you can't circumvent the NFL dre You can't do any
All you could have done is just call the Bears
and say we're not gonna play for you, We're not
gonna play. If you wanted to get out of Chicago
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that bed, how did you not do what Eli Manning?
I would have told you in two seconds. Don't listen
to your dad, Wills, anybody else. Just tell the Bears
you're not gonna sign. And when they draft you number
one overall, you call them and say, thank you very much,
I'm not playing here. And they would have found a
way to trade you to someplace else where you wanted
to go, because that's how you play. You don't go
through a hole behind the whole scenes. I don't want
to go to Chicago and then you wind up there.
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Look again, you neither need to be on top of
the situation or understand this is what it's going to take.
And in an era of sports when stars always get
what they want, if you say I'm not gonna play there,
you gotta trade me. The Bears aren't gonna sit here
and say no, we're going to force you to do it.
They would have forced their hand. They would have traded
them somewhere else, got another quarterback in advance, or somehow
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dealt Caleb Williams away to another team, and they would
have built it. It would be a different guy playing quarterback
for the Bears. They would hate Caleb Williams in Chicago.
But that's okay because Caleb Williams. I don't have to
play in Chicago only when you have to visit there
whatever odd games. Now that players, the fans, the media,
they know he didn't want to be there and he's
got to play there. How is that smart? How is
(08:03):
that a smart thing?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I really, the.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Next time someone's family member is involved in an athlete
story and it's a positive, it will be the very
first time because this has helped to nearly ruin what
he's got going on in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Would it make it worse if you would attribute that
quote to me as I've been saying it for as
long as I've been in media or talking to people
about the Bears. It's where quarterbacks and wide receivers go
to die.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And what Williams did?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
He sent the quiet part out loud is seth Wickersham
about his disbelief that the current staff, as constructed, could
get Caleb Williams everything he needed. And again, there have
been arguments about the draft and it's legitimacy for many,
many years. This is not the first time this come up.
(08:51):
You invoked the name of Eli Manning. Well, y'all talk
about John Elway going all the way back right, Who's
part of this book as well. I can't wait to
read it. He tied into this chapter at all because
you know, they they went through their processes and got
to where they wanted to go.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And guess what.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Eventually, Eli Manning's gonna be a Hall of Famer and
John Elway's arguably what top three, top five, depending on
how you come down on quarterbacks or how much you
decide you want to rate. Terrell Davis's life and activity
there one of the quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
But for Caleb Williams, you know, we have seen this going.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Back last We talked about it last February because it
came up as a discussion point with Colin Coward that
he was hearing from people associated with the camp that
Caleb didn't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Okay, it could have forced it, And from.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The bits and pieces we got out of Wickersham, I
listened to an interview he did in the Score locally
there this afternoon, it's like, well, he decided he quote
wasn't going to nuke the city. So it's a rallying
point for fans right now because he didn't want to
be l Way and Manning and what they did in
terms of and the hell with all those people. I'm
not going to play there because from an organization standpoint,
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I think the rational folks saying, that's what the Bears
have been, So why do I want to be the
next in a long line with a guy who's already
walking the plank before we've played it down. So they
find some solace in the fact that Ben Johnson's all in,
like none of this is concerning to him. Now for
Caleb Williams, to your point, yeah, he has put a
(10:25):
spotlight on himself because all of these reports are blaming, blaming, blaming,
the The stuff that becomes most damning to me, Jason
is the Yeah, they didn't even watch film with me.
That's where it was. That's how bad things got. They
didn't watch film with me. And every turn has been
kind of a hey, it's not Caleb's fault. Look at
(10:46):
what the hand he was dealt.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So, yes, he now has all the tools at his disposal,
all the toys. They went and fortified the offensive line.
There's no excuses you have to perform.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
This certainly doesn't help, but I think the rat channel
of it is something that a lot of us, certainly
those from Chicago understand exactly where mister Williams and company
were going, and the business of the NFL is one
that's always had at least a few scribes trying to
figure out where the legalities are of some of these processes.
(11:18):
How many times have we talked about the draft Through
the years, you hear and prior iterations of your career
where you're like, I don't really, it doesn't feel right.
Where you get forced to go somewhere. You get to
play in the league, sure, but you have no choice
and your career may go to die.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You'll make some money that you'll be miserb right.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So for Caleb Williams, you know the fact that behind
the scenes, and you know however they got hooked into Wickersham,
whether Williams started just his dad started sending a bunch
of tweets and texts at him. And look, he's been
very active on social media calling out the Bears coaching
staff for all of their faults. But I don't think
he's had to explain away all the extra sacks that
(12:00):
Caleb took by holding onto the ball too long. That's
the part that needs to change for Caleb Williams to
truly win over Chicago but saying I won't nuke the
city is a nice start. Yeah, yeah, that that yeah,
that I like. How that's a bit, Hey, he won't
nuke us. Oh that's great. Oh that that Oh that's
Oh he loves us, Now I didn't really say that.
(12:21):
I don't know how he said he loved you then
he didn't want to destroy your confidence and love. I
don't know how he gets past this, Like, how do
you get past this in your career? I got drafted
by a city I never wanted to be in. How Yeah,
but if he does like that, he I mean, that's
(12:41):
why he's put a clock on his career. He's got
a month to try to figure things out, like a
month to beginning the season. If he's bad, everybody's going
to and he's choice to trade him. But instead of
hey you had a couple of years, you flashed a
little bit last year, they have a team that's rotten,
locked and loaded, ready to go. They're not going to
go through a season in which, hey, there star quarterback.
He doesn't want to be here, right, You never want
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anybody on your team who you think doesn't want to
be there?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Is he all in?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
He consider and tell Ben Johnson how all in he is,
and that's great, but if he stinks the first month,
guess what.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Okay, it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He's the fans don't like him, the media is never
gonna give him a pass.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I know that that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Players in the locker room are mad all like, he's
not gonna have any friends. He's not gonna have any friends.
They're gonna have no choice but to trade him as
soon as again, probably in the next offseason. We got
to move on from Caleb Williams. That's what happens. Unreal, unreal. Uh.
We'll have more on this story because we've got big
stuff in the NFL coming up. But straight ahead, we
(13:44):
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The A's started tonight trying to win the series with
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top of the first inning. They had a good start
at the top of the Firth led, the Dodgers won nothing.
Dodgers now batting in the bottom of the third, they
lead the A's thirteen to two. Is that good the Dodgers.
(16:22):
The Dodgers three in the first, three in the second,
seven to the third. This is like the Jets on offense.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know, Hey, here we are. We got thirteen points
going to the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Shohe Otani on his fifty to fifty bobblehead night has
a home run. Mookie Betts, with one at bat, has
already scored three runs. Max Munzi's knocked in three runs.
Pa has knocked in three runs. Dalton Rushing one of
the next great Dodger prospects. He's got a hit, score
(16:50):
two runs already. The Dodgers lead thirteen to two in
the third inning. This game, this, if you want to
play it out, this would mean the final score would
be thirty nine to six. Okay, Yeah, that's good math.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah that and I just bet on on the guy
to Homer on his bibblehead night. That seems to becoming
a regular, becoming a regularity, and certainly Otani uh seems
to show up every time.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's the case.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Keith k Hernandez may get a three inning save tonight.
He may get one of those.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, true.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Is he gonna wear a hard hat.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
While ha ha? Hey, whatever works for you, man, Whatever works.
Joe Kelly at the Mariachi jacket, He's got the helmet.
It works.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Five Now where there special edition bobbleheads are there gold
in this one.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, I think it was just I think it was
just the one bobble I don't think there was anything
special about I could be wrong, but I didn't see
anything that.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It was like, oh my, just so you know, well,
I mean, look, it makes people feel like it's you know,
they're they're in gold members, so it's good.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I mean, I'll still steal monsies, don't get me wrong.
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I know she was out on the field with the
giant fathead of Otadi earlier on eBay. Right now, they
seem to be going for around one hundred and twenty
five bucks.
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Already already pay for out of twenty five bucks.
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Wow, so tomorrow the'll be on thy twenty five.
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Well, here's a right, here's one that's ending in thirty
four minutes at eighty three dollars ten dollars delivery.
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There you go, okay, all right, go to.
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A game, you pay, you pay fifty dollars for a ticket,
You get a bobblehead, you sell it for eighty five bucks,
but you spend ten dollars, so it's seventy five bucks.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So all that you make twenty five bucks on the.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Day, or you can take a crowbar to Monti's trunk
and just take hers allegedly.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, the stuff she might, all the Dodger stuff she
must have to get.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Goodness, you imagine all the bobbleheads in there.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Look, it's a signed Kershaw jersey for the twenty twenty
World Series.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Here take that? Yeah, get all this stuff?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Why is Sandy Kofax tied up?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Help me? Help me, I've been back here. Help me.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Hey, Sandy, great, sign this jersey and I'll let you go.
Just sign right here at all They told me I.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Was showing up for a private signing and I never
got out.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It never ended.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Nobody.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh it was a private signing, all right, private signing?
Uh so again end of the.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Third inning, thirteen to two, Dodgers lead the A's. So
in the NFL today. I want to say this, all right.
I want to say this because I feel really strongly
about this.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You know you're betting the under on the Bears show
because you're Manic Cab Williams.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The Bears, No, the Bear You guys are so screwed,
like the Bears can't have nice things?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Man with u kleb Williams story.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Well, you know what it all started when when you starting,
you know, giving them their flowers and cruising towards a
Super Bowl run.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Hang on a second, I think I gave them flowers
well after this story was documented by Seth Wickersham, and
now they're just coming out with the story that's not
my fault.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I didn't again, no, but that we talked about it
last February. I mean it's been out there a long time. Man, Now,
Seth Wicker, Jim's just got a giant thor like hammer
that he's taken to it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Chicago is a place where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
You could probably find that having been said by me
multiple times on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Rade.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, but you don't play for the Bears, and you know,
and a lot of fans agree with you.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But and that's okay. But when a.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Quarterback or quarterbacks dad says it like that's it, man,
that's the quote that's gonna follow.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Are you saying he was wrong? No? History, history says
the man was right.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
He's still a better quarterback than anybody you've had since
Vinny Testaverdi.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But other now, wait a minute, hang on, Brett Farv
was good for about nine.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Weeks and then his arm fell off.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
We had Pennington in two thousand and two, and half
of two thousand and six, we had Fitzpatrick for fifteen
weeks and twenty sixteen. We have a pretty long, distinguished
group of quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, it's the thing with Caleble.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I mean when you part of this book that seth
workershim is writing that came out today. The Caleb Williams
dad and Caleb Williams didn't want to go to Chicago
when he was drafted.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They said, wanted to go to Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
They said they tried to find a way out of
the NFL draft because they thought Chicago is where quarterbacks
go to die. It's one thing if there's certain things
that you can't say because of the the office that
you hold, or the status of your job.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Right if you play that facts on yourself right now, if.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You work for a company and you're in a you're
in a shareholders meeting and you say, oh, this company
doesn't care about the the average worker like me, Okay,
you're going. But when the CEO stands up in front
of all the shareholders says, you know, I really don't
care about the average employee here.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa WHOA you can't.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You can't you can't say that you're Does that mean
you're cutting costs thereby raising our profitability to make my.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Shares worth more.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I endorse that policy.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
But the rest of you have made the team except
you Millhouse.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Like, there's certain things you can't say and the fact
that that what what blows my mind about this is
that and here's how it's how what what Caleb Williams
and his dad done here? According to this point, this
is just stupid because not only are they quoted, these
are quotes. These aren't quotes that Seth Wickersham relates to
other people. The the Chicago's Where Quarterbacks Go to Die
(22:34):
is deliberated specifically to what Carl Williams, Caleb Williams dad
told him while Seth Wickersham was writing this book about
quarterbacks that we're getting the excerps from today and this
is where the Caleb Williams story gets out.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Uh like like.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
This is I'm gonna we're gonna talk about this and
we're gonna talk about how we want to get him
not to Chicago and it's going to be part of
a book. And we don't get them out of Chicago
really like it was so bad we didn't want to
be there for Waldron and that didn't want to be there.
What happens, Well, we're going number one overall, We're gonna
be there with Waldron and Knaki, the guys you don't like.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
How do you know full well he's writing this book,
it's going to come out, You're going to be quoted.
Did you not think this is gonna be something Jason
absolutely torpedo you your son's career? No, because hey, I
like you know Carl Williams, I'm sure I like being
in charge of things and I feel like I'm the
smartest guy in the room. Doing all he did is
hurt Kayleb Williams's career. And Kayleb Williams is a complete
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uh and and and according to this, he is on
board with all of it. Didn't want to go to Chicago,
wanted to go to Minnesota instead, all of this. How
do you how do you go through the lengths to
say we don't want to go to Chicago, make it
absolutely obvious we don't want to go and then knowing
this book is knowing what you've told Seth Wickersham knowing
this book is gonna come out, and you still say
(23:52):
we're going to Chicago anyway, ju's gonna go away? Oh
fight nor the problem, It'll go away? Yeah, because that works.
Like That's what's stupid about this is that if you
didn't want to play there, I get it, right, I
get hey, Charlotte Requet, you can't go there.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You can't just bad mouth an entire city and a
team and the coaching staff and everything else that you
can't do that and then go play there. What how
do you think that's gonna work out?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh? No, one's gonna know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Of course, people are gonna it's gonna be a little
while because Seth Wickersham's gotta write the book and he's
gotta figure things out. That's the part that that baffles
me is not so much they said this, but that
they said this knowing full well that if you wind
up going to Chicago it's gonna be a problem. And
still this is how I gonna That's how stupid they
were about this.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, But now he's there and he's decided he could
be the king. He can have himself a statue and
be the guy that leads them away from the years
of misery. That's what's being said at every bar in
the South Side of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
He wasn't he tells the truth. I like that quarterback.
I like the cut of his gym.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
He called out the organization for what they were, and
then he decided to come here to build legend and
build leg see or he's given himself.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
A nice excuse making if it all goes to hell.
See Caleb Williams trying to win both ways?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
How long does he really I mean, I mean he's
put a clock on his time there, like, how long
does he have to win people?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
He's never gonna win anybody else. He's never gonna win
everybody over.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
They're just gonna sit back and say, Hey, this is
perfect because.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Chicago is a sports town.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Chicago, New York, some of these cities, the East Coast
cities where it's cold all the time. Yeah, you know what,
I have an edge to me as a sports fan,
and I'm never gonna let Caleb Williams forget it. He
is never gonna forget this. I don't care what he does.
The minute things really turned bad, he never wanted to
be here. Remember that story from three years ago, four
years ago, five years ago. It's like, at some point
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I think he's gonna have to go. Even if he
plays well, he's gonna have to go. How are Chicago
fans going to embrace him after? How do you embrace
him after this? I couldn't embrace a guy that said
I don't want to go to New York because New
York is where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Don't screw you. Go someplace else, then, go play someplace else.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We don't need you. We'll find somebody else. I'll find
somebody else wants coming to play quarterback for you. I
don't know how that they this is gonna end well,
But really it gets back to again how they were.
They knew just enough to be dangerous, right, not enough
to be smart enough to say, Okay, if we want
to pull this power play, we got to go all
the way with it. No, no, no, we're gonna kind
of do it halfway and not really do it and
(26:19):
not think that this is gonna come back and bite them.
I really it just I just shake my head and
I go I don't I really don't get how people
get as far as they do in life.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Sometimes with some of the choices they make.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, I mean, given the track record, given the history
of the quarterback position in Chicago. Again, Tone Tanner, I
don't know. In cold hard print, yeah, it may be
a bit jarring to say, wow, he said the quiet
part out loud. But it's what everybody's been talking about forever.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
How many conversations have we had about organizations that can't
get crap right for different portions of whatever they're building baseball, football, basketball,
your local soccer, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
We've gone through it.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And for the Bears quarterback position, every year it's will
this guy insert quarterback here be the first guy to
throw for four thousand yards? Will the Bears ever recaptured
the glory of nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
All of those things. So to have Williams' dad.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
In an interview with Seth with the Wickership to say this,
I don't know. It's, you know, the extra legal ease
of trying to figure out loopholes and the draft and
whatever else.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I can't believe he's the only guy who have ever
done that. I can't. I mean, I just can't.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Right, It's that this is a process that people have
had issue with fundamentally from a labor perspective, for a
long long time. But again it goes in print now
and a guy that comes in celebrated last year was
an absolute disaster despite everybody jumping on board, the coaching
staff was exactly who we thought they were. He's on
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how many signal callers have come in for him, right?
How many guys have been quarterback coach all the way
through the ranks. It's already on like coach four starting
year or two. And how much of that is on him?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's that's the biggest question of it, of how much
were you coachable and willing to work with these guys
even with their shortcomings.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
That remains to be seen, And that's the litmus test
of you know your four to six weeks to get
things started, otherwise you're gonna have an awful lot of
bage at jerseys and signs showing up at Soldier Field now.
And I like the theory of it, though, man, I
do like the Hey, he hated us, the coaching staff
(28:45):
and the front office, not the city of Chicago, because
you can't put it as he hated Chicago unless you
had a bad experience Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Chicago is where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Chicago. Yeah, first word in that shago. But it's the team.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He's not saying it's because of the lifestyle and they
were out too late because of a three point forty
five curfew, or there were too many places to get
a hot dog you or a burrito as big as
your head in the middle.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Of the night.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
He doesn't have to sit there and say, you know,
if I was only able to get to that Green
River on the Saint Patrick's day, things would have been different.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
No, shuit, you would have been the hulk.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Chicago doesn't need to be the the you know, the
vibrant theater district.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It doesn't need to be.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's the city Chicago, that's the place quarterbacks go to die. Yeah, okay,
I can say. You can't say that. You can't say that,
and come here. I'm telling you what if he said,
if he said.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
The Bears are an organization that has not handled the quarterback, well,
it's the same statement.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Luckily he doesn't have eberflus And and Waldron to kick
around anymore because they were fined and now Ben Johnson
coming in as his new head coach.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Smartest guy, they tell me, he's gotta be got to
navigate this.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Here he was earlier today on Fox Sports Radio, addressing
the Caleb Williams and his father's comments about playing with
the Bears, Well, you talk.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
About fears, and I don't see it quite the same way.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I see.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
This is what a great opportunity we have to do
something that really has never been done. There hasn't been
a four thousand yard pastor here in this franchise, and
I think Caleb is going to be the first one,
and one of many years, many seasons to come where
he's able to accomplish that feat. So I see a
chance for greatness here for him. He's been communicated that way,
(30:37):
and he feels the same way. I don't know what's
going on prior to him joining the organization, but he
is very proud to be a Chicago Bear. That's what
our conversations have included. And he's really excited to get
to work right now and be the best version of
himself for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah. I don't know about that. That's from the herd
earlier today. I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Excited he is to be a bit because that's not
what seth wickership that he didn't want to go No.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
One, No, that's a year ago. No, no, no, since
he got drafted.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He's a guy that has been active and an active
participant in the community, showing up a game, showing at
parks and Rex and all.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That doesn't change that fast, doesn't change that fast.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
But he was there, and you changed out your your
entire coach coaching to say, okay, let's coach you up.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
The entire season was miserable for him. Right.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You brought the quote out about how he said no
one would watch film with him, Right, eber Flus and
Waldron they wouldn't watch film. He would turn on the
projector buy I'm sure to watch he has. He's not
even been coached by them yet. You haven't even been
to been to a veteran's mini camp yet, Right, he
isn't has any idea how much?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Oh, now I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I'm sure he loves the fact that that wald and
Eberflus are going.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But how suddenly he no, he doesn't. If anything, he's okay,
I'll give this a chance.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Meanwhile, not knowing that, hey, we're giving you the last
chance because you just you insulted in the entire area,
telling you man, it's oh.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
But they brought in the guy if anybody was gonna
come in and be that hero.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It's this guy. No, So here we go.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Let's find out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
But guy's been called the Matt Eberflus of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
He won't watch film with anyone either. It's Isaac Lohenkron.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Oh sorry, sorry, guys, Sorry, I was just listening to, uh,
just listening to some music.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Here my kind of town.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
It's where quarterbacks go to dime. It even made Jay
Cutler crime.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
All right, that's enough of.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That, guys. We started the envy.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
We started. We started.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
We started the NBA, where Denver has just forced a
Game seven of the West SEBI Finals with a one
nineteen one old win over Oklahoma City. Nikole Jokich twenty
nine points, fourteen rebounds, eight assists. Jamal Murray added twenty
five Game seven at OKC On Sunday at three point
thirty Eastern in Game five of the Stanley Cup Playoffs,
(33:16):
the Winnipeg Jets lead the Dallas Stars one to nothing
after two periods, with Dallas leading the series three games
to one. Earlier, on Thursday night, the Carolina Hurricanes won
at Washington three to one. To win the series four
games to one and advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals
against either the Florida Panthers or Toronto Maple Leafs. In
(33:37):
Major League Baseball. Yep, shoheo. Tani has just homeered again
on his bottle head night. So they're in the bottom
of the fourth inning. The Dodgers lead the Athletics fifteen
to two.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, wasn't that home run right handed? Didn't know Tani
bat righty?
Speaker 5 (33:55):
You know what, he's just spreading things around that one.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
Let's see that was four hundred an eighteen feet on
the on the second home run, the first let's see
was first home run was three hundred and eighty two feet,
so he's adding to it. So he also had an
RBI in the first sitting, So he's two for three,
(34:18):
two home runs, six RBIs. He now has fifteen RBI
on this excuse me, fifteen home runs on the season.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Next home run the night will be seven hundred.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Yeah, it's just the bottom of the fourth inning, by
the way, giving value to those poor ticket holders who
actually thought they needed to get there early and were
there four hours before the game when they didn't realize
that everybody gets a Bobblehead tonight, but he's giving them
worth their while. Earlier today in Round one of the
PGA Championship, Jonathan Vegas forty years old, originally from Venezuela
(34:49):
via the Texas Longhorns. He's got a two shot lead
after shooting a seven to under sixty four today in
round one. Scotti Scheffler five back, Masters Champ Rory McElroy
three over seventy four and his ten shots back. After
Round one of the PGA Championship, Guys, back to you.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Thanks a bunch Eilo, Jason Smith, Mike Harmon live from
the Fox Sports Radio Studios, coming up next. You thought
we were done with schedule release drama. Well not after
the guys in charge of the schedule release had to
answer big time questions today about one specific game they scheduled.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That's next, right here, Jason Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (35:36):
Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. So
you thought we were done with NFL schedule making controversy?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
When the schedule makers have to answer about a game
they scheduled.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yesterday, you know it's going strong.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
We talked about this last night and congratulates everybody who
stole the take today. I saw it on blogs. All
we could do is put out information certain shows. You
should give us money. That's all I'm saying. You take
our takes, that's fine, but give us money.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Uh, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
The Steelers, the the NFL didn't know that Aaron Rodgers
gonna sign with the Steelers. Right opening week, Steelers at
the Jets. Aaron Rodgers back to New York against the
team he was with the last two years. Biggest storyline.
We got a big one o'clock game, Steelers and the Jets. Right,
this is what we're doing or they're doing it to
try to convince Rogers to come back.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Hey, look, we're doing you a favor. Man. We like
you in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Everything is wonderful, Everything is awesome. What if we gave
you that first game against the Jets. Is that enough
to get you to sign? You want to sign soon?
Aeron Cott?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
We told you that. We told you that.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Congratulates everybody else who took that take today and one
show in particular. But the NFL has had to answer, Hey,
how how do you schedule the Steelers Week one against
the Jets knowing this is going on, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Rodgers going on?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Well, according to the NFL's vice president of broadcast Planning,
Mike North, not that North, but I'll read it like.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Him, they made schedule sage.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
If Aaron's a quarterback, it's a great story.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
If Aaron's not the quarterback, well, we tried to play
it down the middle. We don't know any more than
anyone else. That's how our Mike North would say. This
is the stump about it. They don't know. They tried
to play it down the middle. You put the Steelers
Week one against the Jets in New York.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Really you didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You didn't You didn't see that for the schedule, and go, well,
if I'm going and taking you for at your word,
which I don't that, it's hey, we didn't know what
was going on. Oh yeah, we just happened to put
the Steelers Week one against the Jets. When you go
over the schedule, don't understand. Hey, people are going to
think we know something here about Rogers, you know, going
to the Steelers and the Jets. Oh, probably should change
(37:59):
that game. Then let's have Pittsburgh and the Jets play
because they do.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It with computer. Now it's easy. They can move a
good answer ready easy? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Or have something better than oh we tried to play
it down the middle. Okay, that's a loader.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I'm met a rodeo rider.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah right, you knew it was happening, or you're convincing
to come back, or you were tipped off that this
is that. Because now there's no way Rogers is not playing.
There's no way you're not putting the Pittsburgh Steelers week
one again because I'm sorry, justin fields against the Steelers
isn't that sexy?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Man? It just isn't all right, I'm game, it's a
just of it. No, it just isn't that sexy.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
So for the NFL that we tried to play it
down that, come on, man, we don't know any more
than anyone else. I know that if you thatt Aaron
Rodgers signs, Pittsburgh against the Jets is a big game.
I know, and I'm not doing the schedule, and I
know I would put that week one. Oh no, no, no,
we don't know anymore that that is an absolute load
of crap. But I love the fact the NFL just
(38:54):
trying to, hey, look we know more than we just
kind of put the schedule.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
I was it, Yeah, right, got it, got it? I
believe that.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Sure, since we're invoking friends and Fox Sports Radio alumni,
I'll go to my old pal Tom Looney with this one.
Don't ever believe that the people with the big titles
know what the hell they're doing, or that they're going
to be able to articulate without you looking at them sideways.
(39:22):
Extra cockfight that too, because that's exactly where we're at here.
It's like, do I believe you no right and no way,
shape or form. The latter is a nice, juicy one
of Hey, it's an enticement. I mean, look at it.
It's tailor made for you.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Come on, aeron.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
But the former is I would believe, you know, in
a giant pie chart pie that I ate before we
got on the my PhD weight loss, all but a
sliver of it, so I didn't need all of it.
That they know exactly what's going on. And now it's
just the waiting game, crossing the t's, dotting the eyes
(39:57):
and waiting till there's a mandatory veteran in mini camp
to be attended to get into teams could be I mean,
he could do it virtually, right, He could be wearing
goggles on and you know, in the sand and just
get taken care of it.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
If don't try it, If you're going to try to
sit here and give me an argument that, oh, we
didn't know, give me something better than that.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
We just playing it down the middle.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Hey, obviously, if he comes back, that's a big deal
for the Steelers. Oh so, now, because that's what they said,
if he does come back, Hey, it's obviously a big
deal for a certain Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Side, that's a big deal for the Steelers. That raises
their profile. Oh so now you.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Want you're you're taking that into account? Do you know
that that could happen?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Like the end? I don't understand. I would make so
much money.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I I'd be able to buy the jets with the
money I could make advising big time organizations about what
to say and what not to say.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I I really, I can make so much cash, so much.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I blame Chris Brown.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Coming up next, we get back into a big story
out of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
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The knob off. Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Speaking of ripping the knob off, that's kind of what's
happening right now. Final minutes of the fourth quarter. Denver
leads Oklahoma City one oh nine ninety seven, about two
and a half minutes left to go. So the thunder
have cut this seventeen point lead to twelve, But it
has been the Nuggets in control of this game throughout
(01:27):
the fourth quarter, a close game. They well, you know,
thanks to four fouls on SGA. I mean, you know,
sure that help too, but uh, the Nuggets, uh, trying
to hold on here again, a twelve point lead with
about two and a half left to go. We'll have
more in this game coming up in a few minutes.
But the big I mean, I don't want to sit
here and over sell this. I don't want to oversell them.
(01:49):
Have you think this is gonna be something that's not
or oh, Jason, you're prisoner of the moment or whatever
it is. But I'm telling you how large this Caleb
Williams story is. According to ESPN Seth Wickersham's new book.
And think about when I say, Seth Wickersham, what do
you think.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Of, Oh, the ESPN, the.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Pay hates the Patriots, everybody hates each Look, Bob Kraft
right now is like, thank goodness, people can ask about
a different book and it's not just us right.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
He's like I wrote, other stories beyond this one. There's
lots of quarterback material.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All the dysfunction with the Patriots, how Craft hated, hated Belichick,
who hated Brady, who got rid of Jimmy Garoppola, all
this stuff. Now it's Caleb Williams and his dad in
the crosshairs.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Seth Wickersham's got a new book coming out called American Kings,
a biography of the quarterback and what it is. It's
it's about the quarterback position and players who play it
from high school to college to the NFL, and what
it's like for legends in retirement. So you get all
these star quarterbacks from what it's like in high school.
He talks about the recruitment of Arch Manning to what
(02:57):
it's like playing in college, which gets into the Caleb
was part of it, and then great's playing now and
the ones who have retired like Elway, Johnny Unitas, Warren Moon,
Steve Young, all of these Kirk cousins and Drake may
also in the book right now, But all the smoke
is coming because of what's going on with Caleb Williams.
(03:17):
Where a quartering to Seth Wickersham's book, Caleb Williams was
so concerned about being picked by the Bears that before
the draft last year, he and his family tried to
circumvent the entire thing. They talked with lawyers to try
to find a way around the league's collective bargaining agreement.
Potentially they considered signing with the United Football League. I'm
gonna play here for a year and then I'll be
(03:39):
a free agent and I can go anywhere, because neither
of them wanted him to start his career with the Bears.
A quote from Carl Williams, according to the book, Chicago
is the place quarterbacks go to die. This is a
quote that Carl Williams old Seth Wickersham. This is not
a Seth Wickersham got this third hand source to say this.
This is Carl Williams telling Seth Wickersham Chicago is the
(04:03):
place quarterbacks go to die. Caleb Williams, do I want
to go there? I don't think I can do it
with Shane Waldron there the former Bears OC. Now the
good news is Shane Walter's not there anymore. But this
is what it was like leading up to the draft.
They trying to find a way out. Didn't want to
go to the Bears. When Caleb Williams met various representatives
from the Vikings, they really liked the Vikings, wanted to
(04:25):
get to the Vikings, tried to get around things. They
don't like the rookie cap, they don't like the CBA,
they don't like any of it, and potentially they look
to try to get out of going number one. Overall,
I gotta tell you this, and here's the thing, and
this is, whether you like it or not, this is
the reality. Caleb Williams has a month too, and I
(04:47):
mean beginning of the season, has a month to play
well because if not, it's over for him in Chicago.
When you say Chicago is the place quarterbacks go to die,
I don't want to go to Chicago. That upsets your teammates,
it upsets the coach. Even though it's new coaches, coaching staff,
and the fans and the media are gonna be relentless.
He is never going to get the benefit of the doubt. Oh,
(05:08):
you don't want to be in our city. You don't
want to be here. Okay, you know what, we don't
need you. If he starts out and plays great, Okay,
it'll be a tenuous relationship at best. Right, red tenuous
at best, but if he plays well, fans will forgive.
But they'll sit and wait. They'll wait for him to
have a bad three game streak and say, this guy's
gotta go. If he doesn't start out big, then Chicago's
(05:29):
gonna have no choice but to move on from him
after next year, because you can't have a guy there
who never wanted to be there, because he never wanted
to go to Chicago. Right, He's got to do all
kinds of damage control now about this, Like, I don't
care what you told Seth Wickersham. I don't care if
it's something that's out there that hey, we said this,
we said this. You got to distance yourself from this
because you have just royally screwed your career. Right, Caleb
(05:49):
Williams and his dad have royally screwed his career. They
didn't they knew they I said last hour. They know
just enough to be dangerous, right, just enough to, hey,
let's try to circumvent the league and all these things
they tried to do. Well, we didn't know all about that.
We had heard there were things under the surface that
maybe Caleb Williams didn't want to go to the Bears,
but he went there, got drafted. Everything seemed fine. But
(06:10):
now you have made it combative with a city and
an entire fan base and what should have been an
era of good feeling going in all the weapons they
got in the last two off seasons, how good the
drafts have been. Now it's gonna be this guy's got
a clock on his career in Chicago because they were
crazy enough and not forward thinking.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Enough to go.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
If we're saying this to a guy about a book,
it's gonna get out there and oh, by the way,
we're okay with going to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Did you think they're just gonna magically disappear? Like that's
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Like Carl Williams as his dad, knew just enough to
be dangerous because all he's done is screw Caleb Williams
career and made it more difficult for him, knowing full well,
you can't circumvent the NFL dre You can't do any
All you could have done is just call the Bears
and say we're not gonna play for you, We're not
gonna play. If you wanted to get out of Chicago
(07:01):
that bed, how did you not do what Eli Manning?
I would have told you in two seconds. Don't listen
to your dad, Wills, anybody else. Just tell the Bears
you're not gonna sign. And when they draft you number
one overall, you call them and say, thank you very much,
I'm not playing here. And they would have found a
way to trade you to someplace else where you wanted
to go, because that's how you play. You don't go
through a hole behind the whole scenes. I don't want
to go to Chicago and then you wind up there.
(07:23):
Look again, you neither need to be on top of
the situation or understand this is what it's going to take.
And in an era of sports when stars always get
what they want, if you say I'm not gonna play there,
you gotta trade me. The Bears aren't gonna sit here
and say no, we're going to force you to do it.
They would have forced their hand. They would have traded
them somewhere else, got another quarterback in advance, or somehow
(07:43):
dealt Caleb Williams away to another team, and they would
have built it. It would be a different guy playing quarterback
for the Bears. They would hate Caleb Williams in Chicago.
But that's okay because Caleb Williams. I don't have to
play in Chicago only when you have to visit there
whatever odd games. Now that players, the fans, the media,
they know he didn't want to be there and he's
got to play there. How is that smart? How is
(08:03):
that a smart thing?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I really, the.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Next time someone's family member is involved in an athlete
story and it's a positive, it will be the very
first time because this has helped to nearly ruin what
he's got going on in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Would it make it worse if you would attribute that
quote to me as I've been saying it for as
long as I've been in media or talking to people
about the Bears. It's where quarterbacks and wide receivers go
to die.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And what Williams did?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
He sent the quiet part out loud is seth Wickersham
about his disbelief that the current staff, as constructed, could
get Caleb Williams everything he needed. And again, there have
been arguments about the draft and it's legitimacy for many,
many years. This is not the first time this come up.
(08:51):
You invoked the name of Eli Manning. Well, y'all talk
about John Elway going all the way back right, Who's
part of this book as well. I can't wait to
read it. He tied into this chapter at all because
you know, they they went through their processes and got
to where they wanted to go.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And guess what.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Eventually, Eli Manning's gonna be a Hall of Famer and
John Elway's arguably what top three, top five, depending on
how you come down on quarterbacks or how much you
decide you want to rate. Terrell Davis's life and activity
there one of the quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
But for Caleb Williams, you know, we have seen this going.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Back last We talked about it last February because it
came up as a discussion point with Colin Coward that
he was hearing from people associated with the camp that
Caleb didn't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Okay, it could have forced it, And from.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The bits and pieces we got out of Wickersham, I
listened to an interview he did in the Score locally
there this afternoon, it's like, well, he decided he quote
wasn't going to nuke the city. So it's a rallying
point for fans right now because he didn't want to
be l Way and Manning and what they did in
terms of and the hell with all those people. I'm
not going to play there because from an organization standpoint,
(10:05):
I think the rational folks saying, that's what the Bears
have been, So why do I want to be the
next in a long line with a guy who's already
walking the plank before we've played it down. So they
find some solace in the fact that Ben Johnson's all in,
like none of this is concerning to him. Now for
Caleb Williams, to your point, yeah, he has put a
(10:25):
spotlight on himself because all of these reports are blaming, blaming, blaming,
the The stuff that becomes most damning to me, Jason
is the Yeah, they didn't even watch film with me.
That's where it was. That's how bad things got. They
didn't watch film with me. And every turn has been
kind of a hey, it's not Caleb's fault. Look at
(10:46):
what the hand he was dealt.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So, yes, he now has all the tools at his disposal,
all the toys. They went and fortified the offensive line.
There's no excuses you have to perform.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
This certainly doesn't help, but I think the rat channel
of it is something that a lot of us, certainly
those from Chicago understand exactly where mister Williams and company
were going, and the business of the NFL is one
that's always had at least a few scribes trying to
figure out where the legalities are of some of these processes.
(11:18):
How many times have we talked about the draft Through
the years, you hear and prior iterations of your career
where you're like, I don't really, it doesn't feel right.
Where you get forced to go somewhere. You get to
play in the league, sure, but you have no choice
and your career may go to die.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You'll make some money that you'll be miserb right.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So for Caleb Williams, you know the fact that behind
the scenes, and you know however they got hooked into Wickersham,
whether Williams started just his dad started sending a bunch
of tweets and texts at him. And look, he's been
very active on social media calling out the Bears coaching
staff for all of their faults. But I don't think
he's had to explain away all the extra sacks that
(12:00):
Caleb took by holding onto the ball too long. That's
the part that needs to change for Caleb Williams to
truly win over Chicago but saying I won't nuke the
city is a nice start. Yeah, yeah, that that yeah,
that I like. How that's a bit, Hey, he won't
nuke us. Oh that's great. Oh that that Oh that's
Oh he loves us, Now I didn't really say that.
(12:21):
I don't know how he said he loved you then
he didn't want to destroy your confidence and love. I
don't know how he gets past this, Like, how do
you get past this in your career? I got drafted
by a city I never wanted to be in. How Yeah,
but if he does like that, he I mean, that's
(12:41):
why he's put a clock on his career. He's got
a month to try to figure things out, like a
month to beginning the season. If he's bad, everybody's going
to and he's choice to trade him. But instead of
hey you had a couple of years, you flashed a
little bit last year, they have a team that's rotten,
locked and loaded, ready to go. They're not going to
go through a season in which, hey, there star quarterback.
He doesn't want to be here, right, You never want
(13:04):
anybody on your team who you think doesn't want to
be there?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Is he all in?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
He consider and tell Ben Johnson how all in he is,
and that's great, but if he stinks the first month,
guess what.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Okay, it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He's the fans don't like him, the media is never
gonna give him a pass.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I know that that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Players in the locker room are mad all like, he's
not gonna have any friends. He's not gonna have any friends.
They're gonna have no choice but to trade him as
soon as again, probably in the next offseason. We got
to move on from Caleb Williams. That's what happens. Unreal, unreal. Uh.
We'll have more on this story because we've got big
stuff in the NFL coming up. But straight ahead, we
(13:44):
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
The A's started tonight trying to win the series with
the Dodgers. They led, The Dodgers won nothing after the
top of the first inning. They had a good start
at the top of the Firth led, the Dodgers won nothing.
Dodgers now batting in the bottom of the third, they
lead the A's thirteen to two. Is that good the Dodgers.
(16:22):
The Dodgers three in the first, three in the second,
seven to the third. This is like the Jets on offense.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know, Hey, here we are. We got thirteen points
going to the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Shohe Otani on his fifty to fifty bobblehead night has
a home run. Mookie Betts, with one at bat, has
already scored three runs. Max Munzi's knocked in three runs.
Pa has knocked in three runs. Dalton Rushing one of
the next great Dodger prospects. He's got a hit, score
(16:50):
two runs already. The Dodgers lead thirteen to two in
the third inning. This game, this, if you want to
play it out, this would mean the final score would
be thirty nine to six. Okay, Yeah, that's good math.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah that and I just bet on on the guy
to Homer on his bibblehead night. That seems to becoming
a regular, becoming a regularity, and certainly Otani uh seems
to show up every time.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's the case.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Keith k Hernandez may get a three inning save tonight.
He may get one of those.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, true.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Is he gonna wear a hard hat.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
While ha ha? Hey, whatever works for you, man, Whatever works.
Joe Kelly at the Mariachi jacket, He's got the helmet.
It works.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Five Now where there special edition bobbleheads are there gold
in this one.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, I think it was just I think it was
just the one bobble I don't think there was anything
special about I could be wrong, but I didn't see
anything that.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It was like, oh my, just so you know, well,
I mean, look, it makes people feel like it's you know,
they're they're in gold members, so it's good.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I mean, I'll still steal monsies, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I know she was out on the field with the
giant fathead of Otadi earlier on eBay. Right now, they
seem to be going for around one hundred and twenty
five bucks.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Already already pay for out of twenty five bucks.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Wow, so tomorrow the'll be on thy twenty five.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, here's a right, here's one that's ending in thirty
four minutes at eighty three dollars ten dollars delivery.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
There you go, okay, all right, go to.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
A game, you pay, you pay fifty dollars for a ticket,
You get a bobblehead, you sell it for eighty five bucks,
but you spend ten dollars, so it's seventy five bucks.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So all that you make twenty five bucks on the.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Day, or you can take a crowbar to Monti's trunk
and just take hers allegedly.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, the stuff she might, all the Dodger stuff she
must have to get.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Goodness, you imagine all the bobbleheads in there.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Look, it's a signed Kershaw jersey for the twenty twenty
World Series.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Here take that? Yeah, get all this stuff?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Why is Sandy Kofax tied up?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Help me? Help me, I've been back here. Help me.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Hey, Sandy, great, sign this jersey and I'll let you go.
Just sign right here at all They told me I.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Was showing up for a private signing and I never
got out.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It never ended.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Nobody.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh it was a private signing, all right, private signing?
Uh so again end of the.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Third inning, thirteen to two, Dodgers lead the A's. So
in the NFL today. I want to say this, all right.
I want to say this because I feel really strongly
about this.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You know you're betting the under on the Bears show
because you're Manic Cab Williams.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The Bears, No, the Bear You guys are so screwed,
like the Bears can't have nice things?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Man with u kleb Williams story.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Well, you know what it all started when when you starting,
you know, giving them their flowers and cruising towards a
Super Bowl run.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Hang on a second, I think I gave them flowers
well after this story was documented by Seth Wickersham, and
now they're just coming out with the story that's not
my fault.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I didn't again, no, but that we talked about it
last February. I mean it's been out there a long time. Man, Now,
Seth Wicker, Jim's just got a giant thor like hammer
that he's taken to it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Chicago is a place where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
You could probably find that having been said by me
multiple times on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Rade.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, but you don't play for the Bears, and you know,
and a lot of fans agree with you.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But and that's okay. But when a.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Quarterback or quarterbacks dad says it like that's it, man,
that's the quote that's gonna follow.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Are you saying he was wrong? No? History, history says
the man was right.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
He's still a better quarterback than anybody you've had since
Vinny Testaverdi.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But other now, wait a minute, hang on, Brett Farv
was good for about nine.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Weeks and then his arm fell off.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
We had Pennington in two thousand and two, and half
of two thousand and six, we had Fitzpatrick for fifteen
weeks and twenty sixteen. We have a pretty long, distinguished
group of quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, it's the thing with Caleble.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I mean when you part of this book that seth
workershim is writing that came out today. The Caleb Williams
dad and Caleb Williams didn't want to go to Chicago
when he was drafted.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They said, wanted to go to Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
They said they tried to find a way out of
the NFL draft because they thought Chicago is where quarterbacks
go to die. It's one thing if there's certain things
that you can't say because of the the office that
you hold, or the status of your job.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Right if you play that facts on yourself right now, if.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You work for a company and you're in a you're
in a shareholders meeting and you say, oh, this company
doesn't care about the the average worker like me, Okay,
you're going. But when the CEO stands up in front
of all the shareholders says, you know, I really don't
care about the average employee here.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa WHOA you can't.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You can't you can't say that you're Does that mean
you're cutting costs thereby raising our profitability to make my.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Shares worth more.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I endorse that policy.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
But the rest of you have made the team except
you Millhouse.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Like, there's certain things you can't say and the fact
that that what what blows my mind about this is
that and here's how it's how what what Caleb Williams
and his dad done here? According to this point, this
is just stupid because not only are they quoted, these
are quotes. These aren't quotes that Seth Wickersham relates to
other people. The the Chicago's Where Quarterbacks Go to Die
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is deliberated specifically to what Carl Williams, Caleb Williams dad
told him while Seth Wickersham was writing this book about
quarterbacks that we're getting the excerps from today and this
is where the Caleb Williams story gets out.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Uh like like.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
This is I'm gonna we're gonna talk about this and
we're gonna talk about how we want to get him
not to Chicago and it's going to be part of
a book. And we don't get them out of Chicago
really like it was so bad we didn't want to
be there for Waldron and that didn't want to be there.
What happens, Well, we're going number one overall, We're gonna
be there with Waldron and Knaki, the guys you don't like.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
How do you know full well he's writing this book,
it's going to come out, You're going to be quoted.
Did you not think this is gonna be something Jason
absolutely torpedo you your son's career? No, because hey, I
like you know Carl Williams, I'm sure I like being
in charge of things and I feel like I'm the
smartest guy in the room. Doing all he did is
hurt Kayleb Williams's career. And Kayleb Williams is a complete
(23:31):
uh and and and according to this, he is on
board with all of it. Didn't want to go to Chicago,
wanted to go to Minnesota instead, all of this. How
do you how do you go through the lengths to
say we don't want to go to Chicago, make it
absolutely obvious we don't want to go and then knowing
this book is knowing what you've told Seth Wickersham knowing
this book is gonna come out, and you still say
(23:52):
we're going to Chicago anyway, ju's gonna go away? Oh
fight nor the problem, It'll go away? Yeah, because that works.
Like That's what's stupid about this is that if you
didn't want to play there, I get it, right, I
get hey, Charlotte Requet, you can't go there.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You can't just bad mouth an entire city and a
team and the coaching staff and everything else that you
can't do that and then go play there. What how
do you think that's gonna work out?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh? No, one's gonna know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Of course, people are gonna it's gonna be a little
while because Seth Wickersham's gotta write the book and he's
gotta figure things out. That's the part that that baffles
me is not so much they said this, but that
they said this knowing full well that if you wind
up going to Chicago it's gonna be a problem. And
still this is how I gonna That's how stupid they
were about this.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, But now he's there and he's decided he could
be the king. He can have himself a statue and
be the guy that leads them away from the years
of misery. That's what's being said at every bar in
the South Side of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
He wasn't he tells the truth. I like that quarterback.
I like the cut of his gym.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
He called out the organization for what they were, and
then he decided to come here to build legend and
build leg see or he's given himself.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
A nice excuse making if it all goes to hell.
See Caleb Williams trying to win both ways?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
How long does he really I mean, I mean he's
put a clock on his time there, like, how long
does he have to win people?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
He's never gonna win anybody else. He's never gonna win
everybody over.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
They're just gonna sit back and say, Hey, this is
perfect because.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Chicago is a sports town.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Chicago, New York, some of these cities, the East Coast
cities where it's cold all the time. Yeah, you know what,
I have an edge to me as a sports fan,
and I'm never gonna let Caleb Williams forget it. He
is never gonna forget this. I don't care what he does.
The minute things really turned bad, he never wanted to
be here. Remember that story from three years ago, four
years ago, five years ago. It's like, at some point
(25:42):
I think he's gonna have to go. Even if he
plays well, he's gonna have to go. How are Chicago
fans going to embrace him after? How do you embrace
him after this? I couldn't embrace a guy that said
I don't want to go to New York because New
York is where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Don't screw you. Go someplace else, then, go play someplace else.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We don't need you. We'll find somebody else. I'll find
somebody else wants coming to play quarterback for you. I
don't know how that they this is gonna end well,
But really it gets back to again how they were.
They knew just enough to be dangerous, right, not enough
to be smart enough to say, Okay, if we want
to pull this power play, we got to go all
the way with it. No, no, no, we're gonna kind
of do it halfway and not really do it and
(26:19):
not think that this is gonna come back and bite them.
I really it just I just shake my head and
I go I don't I really don't get how people
get as far as they do in life.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Sometimes with some of the choices they make.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, I mean, given the track record, given the history
of the quarterback position in Chicago. Again, Tone Tanner, I
don't know. In cold hard print, yeah, it may be
a bit jarring to say, wow, he said the quiet
part out loud. But it's what everybody's been talking about forever.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
How many conversations have we had about organizations that can't
get crap right for different portions of whatever they're building baseball, football, basketball,
your local soccer, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
We've gone through it.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And for the Bears quarterback position, every year it's will
this guy insert quarterback here be the first guy to
throw for four thousand yards? Will the Bears ever recaptured
the glory of nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
All of those things. So to have Williams' dad.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
In an interview with Seth with the Wickership to say this,
I don't know. It's, you know, the extra legal ease
of trying to figure out loopholes and the draft and
whatever else.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I can't believe he's the only guy who have ever
done that. I can't. I mean, I just can't.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Right, It's that this is a process that people have
had issue with fundamentally from a labor perspective, for a
long long time. But again it goes in print now
and a guy that comes in celebrated last year was
an absolute disaster despite everybody jumping on board, the coaching
staff was exactly who we thought they were. He's on
(28:05):
how many signal callers have come in for him, right?
How many guys have been quarterback coach all the way
through the ranks. It's already on like coach four starting
year or two. And how much of that is on him?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's that's the biggest question of it, of how much
were you coachable and willing to work with these guys
even with their shortcomings.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
That remains to be seen, And that's the litmus test
of you know your four to six weeks to get
things started, otherwise you're gonna have an awful lot of
bage at jerseys and signs showing up at Soldier Field now.
And I like the theory of it, though, man, I
do like the Hey, he hated us, the coaching staff
(28:45):
and the front office, not the city of Chicago, because
you can't put it as he hated Chicago unless you
had a bad experience Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Chicago is where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Chicago. Yeah, first word in that shago. But it's the team.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He's not saying it's because of the lifestyle and they
were out too late because of a three point forty
five curfew, or there were too many places to get
a hot dog you or a burrito as big as
your head in the middle.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Of the night.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
He doesn't have to sit there and say, you know,
if I was only able to get to that Green
River on the Saint Patrick's day, things would have been different.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
No, shuit, you would have been the hulk.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Chicago doesn't need to be the the you know, the
vibrant theater district.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It doesn't need to be.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's the city Chicago, that's the place quarterbacks go to die. Yeah, okay,
I can say. You can't say that. You can't say that,
and come here. I'm telling you what if he said,
if he said.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
The Bears are an organization that has not handled the quarterback, well,
it's the same statement.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Luckily he doesn't have eberflus And and Waldron to kick
around anymore because they were fined and now Ben Johnson
coming in as his new head coach.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Smartest guy, they tell me, he's gotta be got to
navigate this.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Here he was earlier today on Fox Sports Radio, addressing
the Caleb Williams and his father's comments about playing with
the Bears, Well, you talk.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
About fears, and I don't see it quite the same way.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I see.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
This is what a great opportunity we have to do
something that really has never been done. There hasn't been
a four thousand yard pastor here in this franchise, and
I think Caleb is going to be the first one,
and one of many years, many seasons to come where
he's able to accomplish that feat. So I see a
chance for greatness here for him. He's been communicated that way,
(30:37):
and he feels the same way. I don't know what's
going on prior to him joining the organization, but he
is very proud to be a Chicago Bear. That's what
our conversations have included. And he's really excited to get
to work right now and be the best version of
himself for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah. I don't know about that. That's from the herd
earlier today. I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Excited he is to be a bit because that's not
what seth wickership that he didn't want to go No.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
One, No, that's a year ago. No, no, no, since
he got drafted.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He's a guy that has been active and an active
participant in the community, showing up a game, showing at
parks and Rex and all.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That doesn't change that fast, doesn't change that fast.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
But he was there, and you changed out your your
entire coach coaching to say, okay, let's coach you up.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
The entire season was miserable for him. Right.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You brought the quote out about how he said no
one would watch film with him, Right, eber Flus and
Waldron they wouldn't watch film. He would turn on the
projector buy I'm sure to watch he has. He's not
even been coached by them yet. You haven't even been
to been to a veteran's mini camp yet, Right, he
isn't has any idea how much?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Oh, now I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I'm sure he loves the fact that that wald and
Eberflus are going.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But how suddenly he no, he doesn't. If anything, he's okay,
I'll give this a chance.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Meanwhile, not knowing that, hey, we're giving you the last
chance because you just you insulted in the entire area,
telling you man, it's oh.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
But they brought in the guy if anybody was gonna
come in and be that hero.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It's this guy. No, So here we go.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Let's find out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
But guy's been called the Matt Eberflus of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
He won't watch film with anyone either. It's Isaac Lohenkron.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Oh sorry, sorry, guys, Sorry, I was just listening to, uh,
just listening to some music.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Here my kind of town.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
It's where quarterbacks go to dime. It even made Jay
Cutler crime.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
All right, that's enough of.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That, guys. We started the envy.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
We started. We started.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
We started the NBA, where Denver has just forced a
Game seven of the West SEBI Finals with a one
nineteen one old win over Oklahoma City. Nikole Jokich twenty
nine points, fourteen rebounds, eight assists. Jamal Murray added twenty
five Game seven at OKC On Sunday at three point
thirty Eastern in Game five of the Stanley Cup Playoffs,
(33:16):
the Winnipeg Jets lead the Dallas Stars one to nothing
after two periods, with Dallas leading the series three games
to one. Earlier, on Thursday night, the Carolina Hurricanes won
at Washington three to one. To win the series four
games to one and advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals
against either the Florida Panthers or Toronto Maple Leafs. In
(33:37):
Major League Baseball. Yep, shoheo. Tani has just homeered again
on his bottle head night. So they're in the bottom
of the fourth inning. The Dodgers lead the Athletics fifteen
to two.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, wasn't that home run right handed? Didn't know Tani
bat righty?
Speaker 5 (33:55):
You know what, he's just spreading things around that one.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
Let's see that was four hundred an eighteen feet on
the on the second home run, the first let's see
was first home run was three hundred and eighty two feet,
so he's adding to it. So he also had an
RBI in the first sitting, So he's two for three,
(34:18):
two home runs, six RBIs. He now has fifteen RBI
on this excuse me, fifteen home runs on the season.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Next home run the night will be seven hundred.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Yeah, it's just the bottom of the fourth inning, by
the way, giving value to those poor ticket holders who
actually thought they needed to get there early and were
there four hours before the game when they didn't realize
that everybody gets a Bobblehead tonight, but he's giving them
worth their while. Earlier today in Round one of the
PGA Championship, Jonathan Vegas forty years old, originally from Venezuela
(34:49):
via the Texas Longhorns. He's got a two shot lead
after shooting a seven to under sixty four today in
round one. Scotti Scheffler five back, Masters Champ Rory McElroy
three over seventy four and his ten shots back. After
Round one of the PGA Championship, Guys, back to you.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Thanks a bunch Eilo, Jason Smith, Mike Harmon live from
the Fox Sports Radio Studios, coming up next. You thought
we were done with schedule release drama. Well not after
the guys in charge of the schedule release had to
answer big time questions today about one specific game they scheduled.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That's next, right here, Jason Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific, Fox.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. So
you thought we were done with NFL schedule making controversy?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
When the schedule makers have to answer about a game
they scheduled.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yesterday, you know it's going strong.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
We talked about this last night and congratulates everybody who
stole the take today. I saw it on blogs. All
we could do is put out information certain shows. You
should give us money. That's all I'm saying. You take
our takes, that's fine, but give us money.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Uh, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
The Steelers, the the NFL didn't know that Aaron Rodgers
gonna sign with the Steelers. Right opening week, Steelers at
the Jets. Aaron Rodgers back to New York against the
team he was with the last two years. Biggest storyline.
We got a big one o'clock game, Steelers and the Jets. Right,
this is what we're doing or they're doing it to
try to convince Rogers to come back.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Hey, look, we're doing you a favor. Man. We like
you in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Everything is wonderful, Everything is awesome. What if we gave
you that first game against the Jets. Is that enough
to get you to sign? You want to sign soon?
Aeron Cott?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
We told you that. We told you that.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Congratulates everybody else who took that take today and one
show in particular. But the NFL has had to answer, Hey,
how how do you schedule the Steelers Week one against
the Jets knowing this is going on, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Rodgers going on?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Well, according to the NFL's vice president of broadcast Planning,
Mike North, not that North, but I'll read it like.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Him, they made schedule sage.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
If Aaron's a quarterback, it's a great story.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
If Aaron's not the quarterback, well, we tried to play
it down the middle. We don't know any more than
anyone else. That's how our Mike North would say. This
is the stump about it. They don't know. They tried
to play it down the middle. You put the Steelers
Week one against the Jets in New York.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Really you didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You didn't You didn't see that for the schedule, and go, well,
if I'm going and taking you for at your word,
which I don't that, it's hey, we didn't know what
was going on. Oh yeah, we just happened to put
the Steelers Week one against the Jets. When you go
over the schedule, don't understand. Hey, people are going to
think we know something here about Rogers, you know, going
to the Steelers and the Jets. Oh, probably should change
(37:59):
that game. Then let's have Pittsburgh and the Jets play
because they do.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It with computer. Now it's easy. They can move a
good answer ready easy? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Or have something better than oh we tried to play
it down the middle. Okay, that's a loader.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I'm met a rodeo rider.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah right, you knew it was happening, or you're convincing
to come back, or you were tipped off that this
is that. Because now there's no way Rogers is not playing.
There's no way you're not putting the Pittsburgh Steelers week
one again because I'm sorry, justin fields against the Steelers
isn't that sexy?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Man? It just isn't all right, I'm game, it's a
just of it. No, it just isn't that sexy.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
So for the NFL that we tried to play it
down that, come on, man, we don't know any more
than anyone else. I know that if you thatt Aaron
Rodgers signs, Pittsburgh against the Jets is a big game.
I know, and I'm not doing the schedule, and I
know I would put that week one. Oh no, no, no,
we don't know anymore that that is an absolute load
of crap. But I love the fact the NFL just
(38:54):
trying to, hey, look we know more than we just
kind of put the schedule.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
I was it, Yeah, right, got it, got it? I
believe that.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Sure, since we're invoking friends and Fox Sports Radio alumni,
I'll go to my old pal Tom Looney with this one.
Don't ever believe that the people with the big titles
know what the hell they're doing, or that they're going
to be able to articulate without you looking at them sideways.
(39:22):
Extra cockfight that too, because that's exactly where we're at here.
It's like, do I believe you no right and no way,
shape or form. The latter is a nice, juicy one
of Hey, it's an enticement. I mean, look at it.
It's tailor made for you.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Come on, aeron.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
But the former is I would believe, you know, in
a giant pie chart pie that I ate before we
got on the my PhD weight loss, all but a
sliver of it, so I didn't need all of it.
That they know exactly what's going on. And now it's
just the waiting game, crossing the t's, dotting the eyes
(39:57):
and waiting till there's a mandatory veteran in mini camp
to be attended to get into teams could be I mean,
he could do it virtually, right, He could be wearing
goggles on and you know, in the sand and just
get taken care of it.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
If don't try it, If you're going to try to
sit here and give me an argument that, oh, we
didn't know, give me something better than that.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
We just playing it down the middle.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Hey, obviously, if he comes back, that's a big deal
for the Steelers. Oh so, now, because that's what they said,
if he does come back, Hey, it's obviously a big
deal for a certain Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Side, that's a big deal for the Steelers. That raises
their profile. Oh so now you.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Want you're you're taking that into account? Do you know
that that could happen?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Like the end? I don't understand. I would make so
much money.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I I'd be able to buy the jets with the
money I could make advising big time organizations about what
to say and what not to say.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I I really, I can make so much cash, so much.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I blame Chris Brown.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Coming up next, we get back into a big story
out of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Keep it right here, Jason and Mike, this is Fox
Sports Radio, you selfish bastard,
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