December 7, 2024 • 40 mins
Mike Harmon and Arnie Spanier are joined by our FSR teammate and former NFL’er Rich Ohrnberger to preview all this weekend’s big games!!
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Arnie Span your championship Friday night, Arnie in for Jason Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
How you feeling? Is it bedtime yet?
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Or why? No?
Speaker 6 (01:00):
You know, I was just thinking about that funny you
just mentioned that the twelve team playoff has kind of
taken away the excitement of these games this weekend, have
they not? Because Georgia and Texas are both gonna go.
Penn State and Oregon are both going to go. So
the two big games are kind of meaningless right now.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, I think that's shortsighted because again it's yeah, because
it's wow, Look there's still juice, like, oh, look at
all those rits.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
No juice.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
No, But look there's different levels to all of this stuff, right,
we're building levels and hear me out, Like last week
the rivalry games, they still had meaning.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Right even if they weren't playoff games. Ohio State Michigan?
What meaning did that have?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
For Ohio State, it had an immense meeting, did it not?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Well? What meaning?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And well, but when we talk about it on the
national level, right, well, you guys talked about it on
Sunday night. I'm sure you talked about Ryan day a bunch.
I'm sure yes, So don't tell me it had no meaning. Well,
if you're giving oxygen to it, it's still like now
we have to take the word meaning and we have
to define the word meaning. Is that what we're doing,
(02:15):
Arnie Spaniard? But is that what you're trying to do here?
You're trying to just dismiss it altogether.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Well, you know you're gonna tell you well, how about
the Buffalo Bills. They won the division? Who cares they
win the division? It's about going to the playoffs, right.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But the show, as you always say, the show is
that day or that week, right, So in the moment,
it's all right, they've advanced. Where do they rank?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You?
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Are you excited about Georgia Texas tomorrow as you were
in the last couple of years about that game?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Though, Well, why would I not be? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I mean, every other year we're talking, does it have necessarily,
you know, playoff implications when it's a four team or.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Go back to the BBCs?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Not always, you know, not as in always these these
title games. Sometimes it's it's a foregone conclusion. But for me,
it's the largest of it.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
The playoffs are great, Like it's still the pageantry of
the top teams coming together and battling these.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Schools, right, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Like we talked about with you know, Michigan, a twenty
three point dog that still had a lot of juice
for pig ten Country, for those schools, for those alumni bases,
and certainly for us bloviating on radio and television about
the game. If it had no meaning, then we were
all wasted thousands of our hours and thousands of listener hours.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Think about that.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
They could do that Challenger and Christmas survey on the
amount of time we wasted of the American public's time, energy, effort,
and emotion and their money over Ryan Day and Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
If it had no quote meaning though.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Then you should have had me out earlier. I could
have saved you thousands of hours there. Now the Big
Twelve Championship has a meeting. Winner gets to go to
the playoffs. Probably the same thing with the ACC Even
if Clemson loses or SMU loses, I don't think they'll
be taking as a large team there, so then you
have meeting there also.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I know I was just thinking about it.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
So I go.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I want to watch the games. I want to watch.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Georgia, Texas. I want to see Penn State, Oregon. I
want to see what kind of games they turn out
to be. But it's not like loser go home or
anything like.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well, what else are you doing in Vermont? Of course
you don't watch the games. Had nothing else. This town
shuts down and he's gonna make some syrup at six o'clock.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
If I'm not going to the Jordan poun curfew exactly, like,
what are you doing late at night out?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Why is his light on neighborhood watch? Why is this
guy pumping so much Wi Fi?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But all told, though, Arnie, I mean when we talked about,
you know, last week and even the month of November,
I mean, how many people were lamenting before the season.
Oh no November, all these games will no longer have
any meaning.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh a bunch of liars they meaning though?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, no, no, but.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
They were all wrong because it as well if you expanded,
and how much juice are any of these games gonna
do it?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
And Mike, there was like nine teams fighting it out
to get into the Big twelve title game up to
the last week.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
No, but that's it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And even going forward these games, you know, while yes,
Georgia and Texas are likely going to be in, I mean,
George's number five right now, so yeah, it would be it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Would be shocking.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I mean, but if Texas goes and rolls them, maybe maybe,
But they're too big a brand, right, It goes back
to our brand recognition, show, TV show and everything else. Right,
Oregon and Penn State are in And to your point, yeah,
I stipulate to that Okay, those don't have necessarily outside
of playoff seating meaning, but there's still big games, still
(05:43):
big programs, and if you give a damn about college football,
you're gonna watch.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Those games, right, I mean, are you bringing in the casuals?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
No, I mean the casuals are already doing something else
on their Saturday.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Anyway, right, right.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
But I'm just saying, if you know there's no loser
go home, it doesn't have that type of mentality like
you know, like it has in the year's past. So
there was so much riding on these games could be
your last game now. But I'm so excited about the
twelve team playoff. That's I just don't like the way
they've done the seedings. I think I wasn't prepared for
that at the beginning of the year. I didn't think
(06:15):
about how SMU or Boise State can get a first
round by so that kind of shocked me halfway through well, and.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That probably gets tinkered with.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I mean, look everything for next year, right, everything's proof
of concept, And how long do you think it'll really
be a twelve team playoff?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Two years?
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Then the next year?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah? Right.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean, look, you get proof of concept, you smile.
You look at the revenue that flows in and you say, okay,
we had a lot of juice for games in November
and a lot of arguments and debates, and that's what
it's all about, right, I mean, you're trying to stay
relevant when the NFL is heating up towards the playoff run.
(06:56):
You're where you're into the silly season of baseball season,
the NBA, underway college buckets, the NHL. I mean, you've
got a lot of different things to occupy time. Let
alone the fact that a lot of folks just tap
out for the fact that it's the holidays, right and
their kids are going to be home or they're traveling
or whatever else. Like, you're facing a lot of things.
(07:16):
You know, at the end of last hour kind of
talking about you know, the the golden bat at bat
rule that that popped up on the radar, and you
know Rob Manford was at a banquet and then quickly
talking about, well, you know, hey, I encourage them to
keep looking at the game. Well, that's doing right. You're
trying to find eyeballs and revenue streams, whether it's the
globalization of the game, you know, the NBA announcing a
(07:38):
couple of games in McCaw next year, right, so you
know that global expansion and getting those eyeballs and dollars
for the NFL. Hey, here's an extra playoff team, right,
extra wild cards and all of those kind of things
that you know, while people may wring their hand at first,
you're you still have teams vying down the stretch, right,
the extra wildcard teams in Major League Baseball. You need
(08:02):
those for the NBA as much as the E Cup
is too many a silly kind of thing your Nicks, right,
Josh Hart was like, I'm already thinking about my five
hundred grand I don't care about yeah, he goes, I
don't care what the kids are gonna spend it on.
I could use the extra five hundred kyah, I think
about it. Last year was the greatest thing in the world.
Lebron James popping champagne and everything else.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Just on the college football you said they have to
go up against the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But Mike, you know, look at this right now, the.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
NFL is gonna have some bye weeks, A lot of
attention will go to college football. You just have to
maneuver around the holidays, and then think when the NFL
goes to eighteen games and it pushes the season back
another week or two, especially if you have a second
bye week, then you're really gonna have kind of a
lull in the NFL. And that's where this college football
playoff we'll start dominating, and especially if you go to sixteen.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So they could work out very well for them, right,
And that's it.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You're just trying to make sure you stay in the
conversation and this certainly did. Like historically, what do we
have of pretty dead December?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Right?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I think there should be more talk of the Heisman.
We brought it up last hour with the game and
the stats, the gent he was putting up today, the
changing of the odds, and I think you watch this
kid over.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
The year, is that who you're giving it to? I
would have given it to him.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
You're not gonna Travis Hunter's fantastic player, Don't get me wrong,
but we I mean, I've seen two way players before.
Is he the most dominant player in the game this year? No,
he got other good receivers on that squad.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
He's not even probably the top two or three receivers.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know what I mean? Like if we're gonna be
honest about it. Is he the best at that position?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Is he the best cornerback?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
No?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
And if he goes great player no, Yeah, I don't
know if he's gonna I think he'll be a corner,
won't he in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Or my wrong arm, he'll be the starting wide receiver
for the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Way, Hey, Mike McDaniel's gonna figure it all out. Of course,
that cheer.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
I don't know if he's going to be around next
you look.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
At that you're firing, Mike McDaniels. That's a surprise, Is
that what you're telling me?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
I think he's more like a chemistry tutor, uh, that
tutors the high school kids. But he's all about numbers.
I forget, which a former NFL player said he couldn't
be he was shocked at this guy's and NFL head
coach because when he knew him, he was just a
numbers guy out there. He just seems like he's in
over his head. Look, it's not his fault that Tua
(10:30):
got hurt and got a concussion and that had to
miss four games.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So but I'm kind of his fault though, Arnie, Why
is it his fault because they keep playing him. What
do you want him to do? Not play him? Ah?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, well it does speak to the the idea though,
is is too and really the only guy that could
run that offense.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, you saw what happened when he was out.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
But that's my point is like, if you're the wizard again,
we keep using that, I'm not getting any royalties, But
if you're the guy that's supposed to be this offensive,
whiz kid and genius, like how come it falls apart?
And maybe it speaks to two us better than he
gets credit for it exactly, But I think it's also
the Well, but I mean other teams can still be functional.
(11:15):
Dolphins were not functional without him.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
They were you know, That's why I said to Plank
when I was working with him on Suddenly I wish
the Dolphins had picked up Daniel Jones as their backup.
And if Daniel Jones would have been the backup for
those four or five games it was four and I
think a bye week, but maybe five, the Dolphins would
have probably won three or four of.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Those games easily with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
All about finding opportunities and certainly the backup quarterback the
most popular guy on a roster until he actually sees
the field of play, and then usually it's like, why
is this guy our backup? But either way, not to
derail it with talk of the Miami Dolphins, but the larger,
larger scale thing for college football twelve team playoff, Tomorrow's
(11:56):
games still have juice. They're all you know, because I
know you love to dings are gonna.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Be all that high for both those games, by the way,
especially they're gonna be standalone games, so you think that
everybody would be tuning into them, but you know, people
got Christmas shop in the dude. People are gonna be
going out. It's your first Saturday. That is kind of
clear out of a whole slew of games out there.
I'll be curious to see how many people are gonna
be tuning into these games.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Just always remember ratings, fuzzy math. Fuzzy math when it
comes down to it in terms of how, where, and
what people are consuming for each I mean, but you're
checking in right whether you're gambling on the games, and
most of them are three or four point spreads, so
you've got that element of it. But even if you're
(12:42):
not the most you know, staunch fan of the SEC
or Big Ten. Tell me those games don't still have
some juice for you. And obviously, as you mentioned, the
Big twelve title game, et cetera, all of it leading
into that final ranking and being what kind of lunacy
we can get out of the committee spokespeople when they
(13:05):
get in front of a microphone next.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, no, I'm puts part of the game. Yeah, I
aloways stay the Arizona State game. I'm looking forward to that.
But yeah, Georgia Texas four o'clock eastern. You know thirty
what was at thirty fifteen first time around? So in
Texas is a two and that point favorite in that
game after it was in the opening there. So I'm
I'm curious to see how that's gonna work around this time.
(13:27):
And that Oregon Penn State game, I just think it's
gonna be phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
What is Penn State?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
You know probably better than me, Mike, oh and ten
when they're underdog the last ten games?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Is that what it is? Straight up or or something.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, we'll do the deep dive on some of those metrics,
and history is horrible. Just Oregon three and a half
point favorites of this one fifty and a half is
the total. But yeah, I mean for James Franklin, it's
another huge test, right, just like we talked about with
Ryan Day and then lost to Michigan. For James Franklin,
every time he has one of these top five, top
ten games, the microscope is on him. So even though
(14:04):
you go eleven and one and yes, the the histories
of most coaches against great teams is gonna be pretty poor, right,
even go back to the NFL and ten.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Mike, No, I get that, and I get that. You know,
we're gonna talk to rich Ornberger.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Maybe he can explain why Penn State, a Penn State alum,
falls in such circumstances. As we go, he's Arnie Spanner
in for Jason Smith. I'm by Carmen. We're gonna bring
in our guy, Rich Ornberger coming up next. As we
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Does a lot of work with us here on the
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Speaker 4 (15:50):
A good friend of the show. Years in the National
Football League. A Penn State alum. It's our buddy, Doctor
Rich Hornberger has answered call. He's got the prescription for
your Friday night football conversation.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
What's going on? Doctor Rich?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Holding scalpel will operate, Good evening, Michael and Arnold. I
am totally guessing on Arnie's first name. I've never actually
asked him. What is your full Christian name? Arnie? Is it?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
That?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Arnold Spaniard? You got it? My friend?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
What's the middle name?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
If you don't love it's Elliott.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Arnold Elliott Spaniards. It's actually Hawser, you know, Arnold Elliott
Spaniards sounds more like a high school principle that it
does a radio show host. I feel like getting I'm
getting out so Regal absolutely like you. I'm telling you
right now. You show up with the suit, you got
the walkie talkie. I just got called to mister Spaniard's office,
(16:46):
and I'm in deep trouble.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I'm thinking about some of those lad suit coaches from
back in the day that you know, college coaches would wear.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Wim Sanderson, Yeah, Bill Belichicks, who will be wearing patrolling
a college football sideline?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Guys, what do you think about that one? Doctor Rich?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Let's start with that that coming out a little bit earlier,
did today is college football might actually make a little
bit of sense the way he structured things in Patriotville
for all those years.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I have a buddy of mine I was chatting with
and actually, as we were discussing, we kind of came
to this conclusion. You know, maybe he's just really bad
at interviewing, and so the more interviews the better. Now
there may be real interest. There may be real interest.
Maybe he wants to go and coach at the college level,
like you know, his dad worked at the college level,
(17:36):
I believe for the majority, if not all, of his career,
and maybe he's going to go back to his roots
and finish his career kind of where it started, patrolling
the sidelines alongside his father and do that thing. But
I don't know. I kind of feel like this, all right,
when you have the same job for almost a quarter
(17:58):
century and then all of us sudden your cast to drift,
you know, the rope is cut. Now you are left
to your own devices. Maybe he walked into some of
these interviews and he had a little bit of the
flop sweats because he hasn't had to go through that
process in a long time, and maybe he wants to
get a couple under his belt before he starts interviewing
(18:20):
for the jobs he really wants, which is back head
coaching in the NFL, so he can beat Don Shula's
all time win record at the pro level. That makes
more sense to me than the alternative, which is he's
actually interested in coaching at the college football level. I
think it's good to get a little heat on your name.
I think maybe a little practice round at the collegiate
(18:43):
level interviewing for those jobs may benefit him in some way.
But I do think that he'll be back in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Rich do you think that he could relate to college
kids or the other way around?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
What do you know he's dating Arnie. Come on, that's
around college kids all the time, now that's true.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I mean pretty soon here, he's gonna be doing some
TikTok dances. He's gonna be yeah, I mean, he could
be showing up at some of these award shows. I Look.
The funny thing about it is Bill was always a
player's coach, and so even though there was a lot
of talk when he got kind of kicked out of
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New England and you know, the love affair with with
the the Boston area kind of came to an end
there and they moved on from him. One of the things,
it's kind of a misnomer that the culture doesn't work
with today's NFL, because I don't think I don't think
(19:42):
any anybody had anything wrong with the culture necessarily. It's
it's just the problem was he didn't have a quarterback.
Like a lot of people are really missing the thread here.
When you go from Tom Brady to Mac Jones, that's
an enormous drop. Now, don't get me wrong. I think
there are certain coaches who can maximize talent at the
(20:04):
quarterback level. I think Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota is one
of them. He's doing a wonderful job with Sam Darnold,
just as he did with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins played
his best years in Minnesota as a Viking under Kevin O'Connell.
What coaching tree did he come off of? Sean mcvay's.
Sean McVay got the absolute most out of Jared Goff
before he was shipped out to Detroit, and I think
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a lot of what he learned, plus a lot of
what Ben Johnson's doing with Jared Goff, is really helping him.
So there are coaches out there that I do think
can improve a quarterback at this level. Ken develop a
quarterback at this level. But many great head coaches they're
not linked to a quarterback that they themselves necessarily developed,
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or maybe they did, but there was greatness there, innate greatness,
Like are we going to laude Zach Taylor for everything
that Joe Burrow is? Probably not. Bill Belichick can take
many bows because they found Brady in the sixth round.
I mean, is Andy Reach solely responsible for Patrick Mahomes?
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Probably not. I mean, you go through the list of quarterbacks,
there's a lot of great quarterbacks that names are forever
linked to great head coaches. It's hard to win in
this league without a great quarterback. And so I think
the biggest problem in New England, and the reason why
it's stopped relating well to the locker room for Belichick,
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is because they stopped winning because they didn't have an
elite level quarterback. And it's hard to win in this
league without greatness at that position.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So Rich, let's go to the collegiate level. Rich Hornberger,
our teammate here, Fox Sports Radio. Here, I'm tomorrow Morning
Countdown to Kickoff, presented by bat MGM alongside Brian No
and Jared Smith as they get you set for championships Saturday.
Your alma mana is part of the equation here. And
James Franklin, you know, much like we talk about with
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Ryan Day, it's always the narrative he can't beat big
teams three and seventeen all time against top ten squads,
even with the great resume overall, rich, is that what
we're talking about when this game against Oregon kicks off.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I mean that is like very similar to Ryan Day,
for example, against Michigan losing three straight and then his fourth.
This this very much feels like James Franklin needs needs
to get this albatross away from him because it does
loom over him with big, big games. Oregon is fantastic,
(22:34):
an unblemished record. They've done some amazing things, both both
offensively and defensively. But really they've done everything. They've done
everything they've needed to do. You know, there were certain
games where sure, I mean maybe they could have blown
out Maryland by more than they did, but did they
really need to if they were going to be undefeated?
The answer is no. You know, they they wanted to,
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you know, focus on health and making sure maybe some
of their depth, got some reps later in this He's
in smart choice because you never know when the injury
bug's gonna bite, And so they head into this game
a real proven quantity. Penn State, it's a late riser.
They may be a little over their skis against arguably
(23:16):
the best team in the nation, but on any given Saturday, right,
I think Penn State's got a lot of moxie. I
think this team has a couple of tricks up their sleeve,
especially with the do it all, you know tight end.
He's a special player. And this is where you dump
out the proverbial playbook, right you know, Yeah, you want
(23:37):
to save some bullets in the chamber for the playoffs.
But if you can knock off the number one team
in the nation in the conference championship game and take
the top seed heading into the playoff bracket, that'll give
you an extra week to prepare more playbook playbook fodder
for your opening round of the postseason. So am I
giving them an enormous chance. Maybe not an enormous chance,
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but I'm giving them a puncher's chance. Neutral field, you know,
there's going to be a lot of nerves on the
opposite sideline, too, it's a slim favorite. You know, we're
talking about a field goal. Plus I like Penn State's
chances here.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
You know, which we were actually talking about how it's
a different feel. I thought it was a different feel
for tomorrow because Georgia, Texas, Penn State, Oregon, they're all
going to go to the twelve team playoff. You're right,
they're gonna play for number one seeds. But there's not
an immediacy in the games because you lose, your still
got next week, right.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. You know, Actually that's a really
great point, Arnie, Arnold.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Arnold Elliott. You'll never hear it the same way again.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Because you know what, Arnie, I really do. I feel
like if something happens that's unforeseen in this game, where
all of a sudden, tomorrow bec more important than the present,
You're absolutely right, self preservation mode may take over for
one side or the other. So so we're in an
(25:09):
interesting situation. Even in these conference championship games, for the
most part, you would assume everybody's going to play for
keeps no matter what. But that's not where we're at
in college football anymore, because wins aren't just wins anymore.
You know, in the regular season, I mean, the way
you win is important. Style points matter. When we get
(25:32):
to conference championship games, you know, sometimes the way you
lose doesn't matter as much as it did in the
regular season. And that's sort of a math equation that
you may have to do as you hit the tunnel
in the first half heading into into intermission. You know,
say a game is already getting out of hand. I mean,
do you start pulling starters in the fourth quarter even
(25:55):
if you're losing. I mean, I appreciate what you just said,
because more more college football is going to turn into
college basketball with some of the things we see in
terms of, you know, metrically, how these teams are measured
against each other.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Rich Orenberger with us here, Jason smit Schell with me,
Mike harmon Fox Sports Radio from the Tirak dot Com studios.
Arnie Spanier in for Jason Smith Today. All that said, Rich,
let's turn our attention back to the International Football League,
if only for a moment. The Detroit Lions back to
back weeks big Divisional wins, eleven straight w's Dan Campbell
(26:38):
pro or con pro.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I mean pro pro pro pro. I'm ten years retired.
If he asked me to, I'd come out of retirement. Now.
My body's made of glass these days, so I'd last
for exactly three plays, I'd chatter, and they'd have to
sweep me into a damn dust pen in Detroit. But
I would play for that man. I think he has
captured the ethos of that city. I think he's made
(27:02):
believers out of that team. They got a bunch of
bad dudes looking to punch people in the mouth. He's
built toughness, he's built cultures, He's found a diamond in
the rough recovering Jared Goff and putting his belief behind
him because that's now paid off for him from team
leadership and also the way he's played at numerous points
(27:25):
throughout this season. He's looked like an MVP candidate at
numerous points this season. I mean, this team is a
wrecking machine it I mean, it reminds me of how
Mick described Apollo Creed. I mean it is. It is
a real deal, old school smash mouth football team, and
(27:46):
they're not dodging for nobody. So I'm excited for Detroit.
They look like a super Bowl team to me, and
that's because of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
One hundred and forty five fourth down calls, Arnie, how
do you like this? You're a gambling kind of guy.
Eighty two resulting in a first down, thirteen touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Wow, there you.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Go, fifty six conversion rate, but still good times. There
you go one hundred and forty five data points for
you to parse through. Because you know, Jason Smith normally
in the chair is like calls it cambeling. I say,
it's guts and determination. I like you, Rich.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I didn't have.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
A college career, I didn't have a pro career, but
I think I'd still run through that wall for that guy.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah. Yeah, I love the way he talks to everybody
in that room. And you know when he's you know,
red faced, veins sticking out of his neck and you know,
spitting and shouting, you see the reaction that he gets
from those players. There's real love and brotherhood inside of
those walls, and that's a force to be reckoned with.
(28:49):
It's it's what everybody is trying to manufacture. But that's
the problem. You can't manufacture family. You have to create
a family. And that's what Dan Campbell has done in Detroit,
just like we do.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
With Arnold Elliot, you got one last quick one there, Arnie.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I wanted because what happens if Las Vegas gets the
number one pick and they want Shador, but Shadur comes
with Dion. Do you fire Pierce and say, fine, we'll
take Dion, We'll take the whole family.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Well that's an interesting Okay, So so Pierce, unfortunately, I
think he may be ousted. Anyways, I think if you
have an opportunity to get Shador, I mean just the
flashiness of this, it works in Vegas, and you bring
in Dion, I think you have to do it just
to see, just to see. I mean, Vegas is a
(29:36):
city of spectacle. Sign me up. I mean, if I'm
Mark Davis, I'm pushing over loved ones. I'm throwing family
members off the balcony to draft Shador Sanders and hire
Dion as my coach if they'll allow me to. Because
I really do think that's another part of this Nil
culture and some of the things that are going on.
(29:56):
A lot of these quarterbacks are going to start calling
their shots, and so Shouldor is probably not going to
a team that he doesn't want to go to. We've
seen this in the past. I think We're gonna see
it a lot more. I think I think shoud Or
Sanders and Dion his his father as a coach. Maybe
a fit in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
New World Order. He's on Twitter at Ornberger. It's our guy,
doctor Rich Ornberger. He fulfilled the prescriptions and we'll all
breathe a little easier tonight, Rich six am Pacific time
tomorrow for you right here on Fox Sports Radio. Correct, Yes, sir,
I'll be on three hours alongside Jared Smith and Brian
No Countdown to Kickoff presented by bet MGM, getting you
(30:35):
ready for your day of college championship games. Doctor Rich,
thanks for stopping down, taking a little time from the
family and joining your radio family and learning Arnold Ernie's
Arnold's real name.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You're the best. It's like Cosmo, Cosmo.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah, keep crushing it. Boys, love you both. I'll fuck
you soon, brother, We'll see you later. All right, Time
to go over at the news desk. It's our guy,
Steve de Seger. Another member of the family, Arnold Elliott.
What do you think, Steve?
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Okay, Yeah, sure, Arty is fun. I hear Arnold. I
think you know seventy sitcoms. But that's just been by
the way you mentioned Sanders, Let's talk Barry Sanders, because
only Barry Sanders has finished a college regular season with
more rushing yards than Ashton genty who tonight had thirty
(31:30):
two carries two hundred nine yards in a touchdown. Tenth
rank Boise State at home beat twenty at th rank
UNLV twenty one seven for the Mountain West Championship. So
on the season, genty just shy of two thousand and
five hundred yards. That is number four all time. Because
you see the NCAA record book up until only about
(31:52):
twenty years ago started counting the bowl games. Rushing stats
also go figure. Okay, earlier number twenty four armed Me
at home defeated Tulane to win the American Conference title
thirty five to fourteen quarterback Bryce and Daily with four
touchdown runs. He had twenty five carries one hundred and
twenty six yards, and the Army quarterback was two for
two passing nice the Army against Navy still next weekend,
(32:15):
by the way, in Landover, Maryland, and tonight's also in
cold temperatures about thirty degrees in Jacksonville, Alabama. Jacksonville State
fifty to twelve winners against Western Kentucky to take Conference USA.
The final playoff bracket will be announced this Sunday. Very
possible Boise State could get a first round by in
the playoff. Their only loss was at number one Oregon
(32:37):
thirty seven thirty four in September on a late field goal.
Utah States new coach is Bronco Mendenhall exit BYU Eagles.
Wide receiver Devonte Smith will return Sunday from a hamstring injury.
The Mets are signing pitcher Clay Holmes as a starter.
He was a Yankee reliever two late games in the NBA.
Late third quarter, Utah, with a four and seventeen record,
(33:00):
is leading ninety two fifty nine at Portland Wow and
mid third quarter Minnesota still leading at Golden State sixty
eight sixty three. Earlier, Atlanta won at six straight game
at overtime win against the Lakers one thirty four to
one thirty two. Trey Young thirty one points, twenty assists,
including a late three pointer. Road wins for Indiana and Sacramento,
(33:22):
home wins for Philadelphia and Boston. The Celtics are nineteen
and four after edging Milwaukee one eleven, one oh five.
Jason Tatum thirty four points in men's college basketball at.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Northwestern on overtime.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Wildcats against number nineteen Illinois seventy to sixty six. West
Virginia defeated Georgetown seventy three to sixty NHL wins for
New Jersey and Washington. Right now in Vegas, the Golden
Knights late second period lead three to one over the
Dallas Stars. And we just heard from Rich who is
the color analyst for San Diego State football on campus tonight,
(33:56):
San Diego State women's basketball won one oh seven thirty
six against winless Bethesda University of Anaheim. San Diego State's
women only six turnovers in the game. The opponents had
thirty four turnovers and shot thirty one percent.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Anytime that your.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Turnover number is larger than your shooting percentage number not
a good sign.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Sef are you sure they didn't play Syracuse men's basketball?
Bad things man? Thanks Steve at Steve de Sagred.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
It's funny he was given the Northwestern Illinois score as
Pat Spencer checked in for the Warriors, who.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Played at Northwestern a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
There you go, randomness all around, and coming up next
as we continue, Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon
here from the tyrac dot Com studios, already in for Jason.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Question, was it the shoes? It's got to be the shoes.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Wasn't that the Mars Blackman line all those long years ago?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Well answer it.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
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Speaker 3 (35:01):
It's gotta be the shoes?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Or is it Welcome back in Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon. No Jason Tonight, it is Stead, our
teammate in off the Bench, our guy, Arnie Span, your
at stinking genius one broadcast legend, joins us frequently here
on the program and in the holiday holiday holiday spirit,
as he always is.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Are locked and loaded.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And look, you're a guy who's gone through a few
pair of basketball shoes in your career, noted three point marksman.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Hey, you've set the videos out.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I mean, yeah, the one where it's getting blocked and
that goes off my forehead out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
That one, well, that one happens. I mean, what are
you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
They're not all gonna be gems, but every once in
a while, look, the broken.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Clock is right twice a day.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Right, All that to say Lonzo Ball of the Chicago
Bulls unbelievable. Upon a time, the number two overall picked
by the Lakers. Remember his name and number. We're gonna
hang in the rafters. That was the Welcome to La
moment with Magic Johnson. Well, now you're talking about the
(36:14):
shoes he wore all the way back Summer League twenty seventeen.
Remember the Big Baller brand, Arnie Spaniard, three billion dollars,
you know, all the bravado of LaVar Ball. As old
man Lodzo Ball now wondering about the injuries of his
NBA career, I want to make him an NFL player
(36:36):
now of his NBA career and saying quote, they were
like kickball shoes.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
He wore them twice.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And then he and his manager went and bought several
pair of high end basketball footwear in Las Vegas as
he was the Summer League. MVP has shown some signs.
You know, his brother has had a very nice career,
but go back to a meniscus tear, number of knee injuries.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
He's missed several years on those shoes on the Big
Baller brand.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
So that's just it, right, He's saying, I think it's
a possibility for sure, To be honest with you, I
wasn't really getting hurt until I started wearing them again.
He wore them twice, talking to Josh Hart on the
light Hearted Podcast going back in twenty nineteen that they
had problems. Quote if you literally have those shoes from
(37:26):
those games, they exploded, et cetera. But also talking about
you know, all the years playing you know, on on
you know, the surfaces and asphalt, et cetera, which I'm
going to go over the long haul.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Those are a bigger.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Issue for you, much like running and the knee issues
that you have if you're running on gravel for many,
many years. Aren'tie as opposed to wearing those basketball shoes
a couple of times? All that to say, you know,
footwear is very important. It's a multi billion dollar business,
which is why the Big Baller brand was kicked off.
(38:05):
I still want to know what kickball shoes are. Yes,
I have never That's really the line that comes out
of all of it for me.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
You know, it's so funny if you try on like
the original pair of Jordan's, those things aren't even comfortable.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Now, I mean you you wouldn't even want to wear
them out.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
You'd have to like really break him in or something.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
So we've come so far.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
Remember the high top shoes to wear and on the
tongue of the shoe there'd be a little basketball and
you could pump it up. Oh sure, the things I
used to see those things get failed all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
They'd leak or.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
They'd get popped or something like that. So, yeah, shoes
are important. And I saw that when he when he
was saying that he thought maybe the injuries came from
the big Baller brand. Well, his father was trying to
create a big, big, you know, attack on Nike. It
never happened. Notice, we don't see his father much at
all anymore. I wonder if they're still clothes or what's
(38:58):
happening there because we don't see it much at all.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Well, I mean, look, obviously you receide, you had your
your zenith and your opportunities. And I haven't really checked
in on any of the lawsuits that were pending from
folks that never got their shoes, because remember those never
really showed up.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Oh yeah, So that's a whole other part of the
equation that needs to be sussed out.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
But for for.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Lonzo ball, I mean, he looked good in a couple
of games with the Bulls in the preseason and starting
the season back on the shelf, another injury taking him down.
This one cannot be attributed to shoes, but it is
an interesting, you know, just conceptually to kind of throw
out there.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It's like, hey, this could be part of your problem.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And how many times have we seen big men felled
because of foot injuries, et cetera. And certainly multi billion
dollar business we always talk about finding a sliver of it,
finding a sliver of the you know, beverage market, right,
and it's still one hundreds of millions of dollars of
represented revenues, and that's all the Big Baller brand was
(40:02):
trying to do. Hey, let's see if we can capitalize
on the name in the height of those two players
with a loudmouthed dad at the front.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
He almost did it too. He almost pulled it off there, Mike, almost.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Either way, he's still got two kids playing, Lonzo LaMelo,
and LaMelo is one hell of a player who we're
gonna be talking about trade deadline kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think. Before it's all said, and done. He's already
spanned your alt.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Mike Carmen here Fox Sports Radio from the ti Raq
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Arnie Span your championship Friday night, Arnie in for Jason Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
How you feeling? Is it bedtime yet?
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Or why? No?
Speaker 6 (01:00):
You know, I was just thinking about that funny you
just mentioned that the twelve team playoff has kind of
taken away the excitement of these games this weekend, have
they not? Because Georgia and Texas are both gonna go.
Penn State and Oregon are both going to go. So
the two big games are kind of meaningless right now.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, I think that's shortsighted because again it's yeah, because
it's wow, Look there's still juice, like, oh, look at
all those rits.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
No juice.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
No, But look there's different levels to all of this stuff, right,
we're building levels and hear me out, Like last week
the rivalry games, they still had meaning.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Right even if they weren't playoff games. Ohio State Michigan?
What meaning did that have?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
For Ohio State, it had an immense meeting, did it not?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Well? What meaning?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And well, but when we talk about it on the
national level, right, well, you guys talked about it on
Sunday night. I'm sure you talked about Ryan day a bunch.
I'm sure yes, So don't tell me it had no meaning. Well,
if you're giving oxygen to it, it's still like now
we have to take the word meaning and we have
to define the word meaning. Is that what we're doing,
(02:15):
Arnie Spaniard? But is that what you're trying to do here?
You're trying to just dismiss it altogether.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Well, you know you're gonna tell you well, how about
the Buffalo Bills. They won the division? Who cares they
win the division? It's about going to the playoffs, right.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But the show, as you always say, the show is
that day or that week, right, So in the moment,
it's all right, they've advanced. Where do they rank?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You?
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Are you excited about Georgia Texas tomorrow as you were
in the last couple of years about that game?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Though, Well, why would I not be? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I mean, every other year we're talking, does it have necessarily,
you know, playoff implications when it's a four team or.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Go back to the BBCs?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Not always, you know, not as in always these these
title games. Sometimes it's it's a foregone conclusion. But for me,
it's the largest of it.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
The playoffs are great, Like it's still the pageantry of
the top teams coming together and battling these.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Schools, right, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Like we talked about with you know, Michigan, a twenty
three point dog that still had a lot of juice
for pig ten Country, for those schools, for those alumni bases,
and certainly for us bloviating on radio and television about
the game. If it had no meaning, then we were
all wasted thousands of our hours and thousands of listener hours.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Think about that.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
They could do that Challenger and Christmas survey on the
amount of time we wasted of the American public's time, energy, effort,
and emotion and their money over Ryan Day and Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
If it had no quote meaning though.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Then you should have had me out earlier. I could
have saved you thousands of hours there. Now the Big
Twelve Championship has a meeting. Winner gets to go to
the playoffs. Probably the same thing with the ACC Even
if Clemson loses or SMU loses, I don't think they'll
be taking as a large team there, so then you
have meeting there also.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I know I was just thinking about it.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
So I go.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I want to watch the games. I want to watch.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Georgia, Texas. I want to see Penn State, Oregon. I
want to see what kind of games they turn out
to be. But it's not like loser go home or
anything like.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well, what else are you doing in Vermont? Of course
you don't watch the games. Had nothing else. This town
shuts down and he's gonna make some syrup at six o'clock.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
If I'm not going to the Jordan poun curfew exactly, like,
what are you doing late at night out?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Why is his light on neighborhood watch? Why is this
guy pumping so much Wi Fi?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But all told, though, Arnie, I mean when we talked about,
you know, last week and even the month of November,
I mean, how many people were lamenting before the season.
Oh no November, all these games will no longer have
any meaning.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh a bunch of liars they meaning though?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, no, no, but.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
They were all wrong because it as well if you expanded,
and how much juice are any of these games gonna
do it?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
And Mike, there was like nine teams fighting it out
to get into the Big twelve title game up to
the last week.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
No, but that's it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And even going forward these games, you know, while yes,
Georgia and Texas are likely going to be in, I mean,
George's number five right now, so yeah, it would be it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Would be shocking.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I mean, but if Texas goes and rolls them, maybe maybe,
But they're too big a brand, right, It goes back
to our brand recognition, show, TV show and everything else. Right,
Oregon and Penn State are in And to your point, yeah,
I stipulate to that Okay, those don't have necessarily outside
of playoff seating meaning, but there's still big games, still
(05:43):
big programs, and if you give a damn about college football,
you're gonna watch.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Those games, right, I mean, are you bringing in the casuals?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
No, I mean the casuals are already doing something else
on their Saturday.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Anyway, right, right.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
But I'm just saying, if you know there's no loser
go home, it doesn't have that type of mentality like
you know, like it has in the year's past. So
there was so much riding on these games could be
your last game now. But I'm so excited about the
twelve team playoff. That's I just don't like the way
they've done the seedings. I think I wasn't prepared for
that at the beginning of the year. I didn't think
(06:15):
about how SMU or Boise State can get a first
round by so that kind of shocked me halfway through well, and.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That probably gets tinkered with.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I mean, look everything for next year, right, everything's proof
of concept, And how long do you think it'll really
be a twelve team playoff?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Two years?
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Then the next year?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah? Right.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean, look, you get proof of concept, you smile.
You look at the revenue that flows in and you say, okay,
we had a lot of juice for games in November
and a lot of arguments and debates, and that's what
it's all about, right, I mean, you're trying to stay
relevant when the NFL is heating up towards the playoff run.
(06:56):
You're where you're into the silly season of baseball season,
the NBA, underway college buckets, the NHL. I mean, you've
got a lot of different things to occupy time. Let
alone the fact that a lot of folks just tap
out for the fact that it's the holidays, right and
their kids are going to be home or they're traveling
or whatever else. Like, you're facing a lot of things.
(07:16):
You know, at the end of last hour kind of
talking about you know, the the golden bat at bat
rule that that popped up on the radar, and you
know Rob Manford was at a banquet and then quickly
talking about, well, you know, hey, I encourage them to
keep looking at the game. Well, that's doing right. You're
trying to find eyeballs and revenue streams, whether it's the
globalization of the game, you know, the NBA announcing a
(07:38):
couple of games in McCaw next year, right, so you
know that global expansion and getting those eyeballs and dollars
for the NFL. Hey, here's an extra playoff team, right,
extra wild cards and all of those kind of things
that you know, while people may wring their hand at first,
you're you still have teams vying down the stretch, right,
the extra wildcard teams in Major League Baseball. You need
(08:02):
those for the NBA as much as the E Cup
is too many a silly kind of thing your Nicks, right,
Josh Hart was like, I'm already thinking about my five
hundred grand I don't care about yeah, he goes, I
don't care what the kids are gonna spend it on.
I could use the extra five hundred kyah, I think
about it. Last year was the greatest thing in the world.
Lebron James popping champagne and everything else.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Just on the college football you said they have to
go up against the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But Mike, you know, look at this right now, the.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
NFL is gonna have some bye weeks, A lot of
attention will go to college football. You just have to
maneuver around the holidays, and then think when the NFL
goes to eighteen games and it pushes the season back
another week or two, especially if you have a second
bye week, then you're really gonna have kind of a
lull in the NFL. And that's where this college football
playoff we'll start dominating, and especially if you go to sixteen.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So they could work out very well for them, right,
And that's it.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You're just trying to make sure you stay in the
conversation and this certainly did. Like historically, what do we
have of pretty dead December?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Right?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I think there should be more talk of the Heisman.
We brought it up last hour with the game and
the stats, the gent he was putting up today, the
changing of the odds, and I think you watch this
kid over.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
The year, is that who you're giving it to? I
would have given it to him.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
You're not gonna Travis Hunter's fantastic player, Don't get me wrong,
but we I mean, I've seen two way players before.
Is he the most dominant player in the game this year? No,
he got other good receivers on that squad.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
He's not even probably the top two or three receivers.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know what I mean? Like if we're gonna be
honest about it. Is he the best at that position?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Is he the best cornerback?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
No?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
And if he goes great player no, Yeah, I don't
know if he's gonna I think he'll be a corner,
won't he in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Or my wrong arm, he'll be the starting wide receiver
for the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Way, Hey, Mike McDaniel's gonna figure it all out. Of course,
that cheer.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
I don't know if he's going to be around next
you look.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
At that you're firing, Mike McDaniels. That's a surprise, Is
that what you're telling me?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
I think he's more like a chemistry tutor, uh, that
tutors the high school kids. But he's all about numbers.
I forget, which a former NFL player said he couldn't
be he was shocked at this guy's and NFL head
coach because when he knew him, he was just a
numbers guy out there. He just seems like he's in
over his head. Look, it's not his fault that Tua
(10:30):
got hurt and got a concussion and that had to
miss four games.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So but I'm kind of his fault though, Arnie, Why
is it his fault because they keep playing him. What
do you want him to do? Not play him? Ah?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, well it does speak to the the idea though,
is is too and really the only guy that could
run that offense.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, you saw what happened when he was out.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
But that's my point is like, if you're the wizard again,
we keep using that, I'm not getting any royalties, But
if you're the guy that's supposed to be this offensive,
whiz kid and genius, like how come it falls apart?
And maybe it speaks to two us better than he
gets credit for it exactly, But I think it's also
the Well, but I mean other teams can still be functional.
(11:15):
Dolphins were not functional without him.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
They were you know, That's why I said to Plank
when I was working with him on Suddenly I wish
the Dolphins had picked up Daniel Jones as their backup.
And if Daniel Jones would have been the backup for
those four or five games it was four and I
think a bye week, but maybe five, the Dolphins would
have probably won three or four of.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Those games easily with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
All about finding opportunities and certainly the backup quarterback the
most popular guy on a roster until he actually sees
the field of play, and then usually it's like, why
is this guy our backup? But either way, not to
derail it with talk of the Miami Dolphins, but the larger,
larger scale thing for college football twelve team playoff, Tomorrow's
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games still have juice. They're all you know, because I
know you love to dings are gonna.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Be all that high for both those games, by the way,
especially they're gonna be standalone games, so you think that
everybody would be tuning into them, but you know, people
got Christmas shop in the dude. People are gonna be
going out. It's your first Saturday. That is kind of
clear out of a whole slew of games out there.
I'll be curious to see how many people are gonna
be tuning into these games.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Just always remember ratings, fuzzy math. Fuzzy math when it
comes down to it in terms of how, where, and
what people are consuming for each I mean, but you're
checking in right whether you're gambling on the games, and
most of them are three or four point spreads, so
you've got that element of it. But even if you're
(12:42):
not the most you know, staunch fan of the SEC
or Big Ten. Tell me those games don't still have
some juice for you. And obviously, as you mentioned, the
Big twelve title game, et cetera, all of it leading
into that final ranking and being what kind of lunacy
we can get out of the committee spokespeople when they
(13:05):
get in front of a microphone next.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, no, I'm puts part of the game. Yeah, I
aloways stay the Arizona State game. I'm looking forward to that.
But yeah, Georgia Texas four o'clock eastern. You know thirty
what was at thirty fifteen first time around? So in
Texas is a two and that point favorite in that
game after it was in the opening there. So I'm
I'm curious to see how that's gonna work around this time.
(13:27):
And that Oregon Penn State game, I just think it's
gonna be phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
What is Penn State?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
You know probably better than me, Mike, oh and ten
when they're underdog the last ten games?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Is that what it is? Straight up or or something.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, we'll do the deep dive on some of those metrics,
and history is horrible. Just Oregon three and a half
point favorites of this one fifty and a half is
the total. But yeah, I mean for James Franklin, it's
another huge test, right, just like we talked about with
Ryan Day and then lost to Michigan. For James Franklin,
every time he has one of these top five, top
ten games, the microscope is on him. So even though
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you go eleven and one and yes, the the histories
of most coaches against great teams is gonna be pretty poor, right,
even go back to the NFL and ten.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Mike, No, I get that, and I get that. You know,
we're gonna talk to rich Ornberger.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Maybe he can explain why Penn State, a Penn State alum,
falls in such circumstances. As we go, he's Arnie Spanner
in for Jason Smith. I'm by Carmen. We're gonna bring
in our guy, Rich Ornberger coming up next. As we
continue here from the tire Act dot Com Fox Sports
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Speaker 3 (15:48):
Does a lot of work with us here on the
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Speaker 4 (15:50):
A good friend of the show. Years in the National
Football League. A Penn State alum. It's our buddy, Doctor
Rich Hornberger has answered call. He's got the prescription for
your Friday night football conversation.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
What's going on? Doctor Rich?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Holding scalpel will operate, Good evening, Michael and Arnold. I
am totally guessing on Arnie's first name. I've never actually
asked him. What is your full Christian name? Arnie? Is it?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
That?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Arnold Spaniard? You got it? My friend?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
What's the middle name?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
If you don't love it's Elliott.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Arnold Elliott Spaniards. It's actually Hawser, you know, Arnold Elliott
Spaniards sounds more like a high school principle that it
does a radio show host. I feel like getting I'm
getting out so Regal absolutely like you. I'm telling you
right now. You show up with the suit, you got
the walkie talkie. I just got called to mister Spaniard's office,
(16:46):
and I'm in deep trouble.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I'm thinking about some of those lad suit coaches from
back in the day that you know, college coaches would wear.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Wim Sanderson, Yeah, Bill Belichicks, who will be wearing patrolling
a college football sideline?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Guys, what do you think about that one? Doctor Rich?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Let's start with that that coming out a little bit earlier,
did today is college football might actually make a little
bit of sense the way he structured things in Patriotville
for all those years.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I have a buddy of mine I was chatting with
and actually, as we were discussing, we kind of came
to this conclusion. You know, maybe he's just really bad
at interviewing, and so the more interviews the better. Now
there may be real interest. There may be real interest.
Maybe he wants to go and coach at the college level,
like you know, his dad worked at the college level,
(17:36):
I believe for the majority, if not all, of his career,
and maybe he's going to go back to his roots
and finish his career kind of where it started, patrolling
the sidelines alongside his father and do that thing. But
I don't know. I kind of feel like this, all right,
when you have the same job for almost a quarter
(17:58):
century and then all of us sudden your cast to drift,
you know, the rope is cut. Now you are left
to your own devices. Maybe he walked into some of
these interviews and he had a little bit of the
flop sweats because he hasn't had to go through that
process in a long time, and maybe he wants to
get a couple under his belt before he starts interviewing
(18:20):
for the jobs he really wants, which is back head
coaching in the NFL, so he can beat Don Shula's
all time win record at the pro level. That makes
more sense to me than the alternative, which is he's
actually interested in coaching at the college football level. I
think it's good to get a little heat on your name.
I think maybe a little practice round at the collegiate
(18:43):
level interviewing for those jobs may benefit him in some way.
But I do think that he'll be back in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Rich do you think that he could relate to college
kids or the other way around?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
What do you know he's dating Arnie. Come on, that's
around college kids all the time, now that's true.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I mean pretty soon here, he's gonna be doing some
TikTok dances. He's gonna be yeah, I mean, he could
be showing up at some of these award shows. I Look.
The funny thing about it is Bill was always a
player's coach, and so even though there was a lot
of talk when he got kind of kicked out of
(19:22):
New England and you know, the love affair with with
the the Boston area kind of came to an end
there and they moved on from him. One of the things,
it's kind of a misnomer that the culture doesn't work
with today's NFL, because I don't think I don't think
(19:42):
any anybody had anything wrong with the culture necessarily. It's
it's just the problem was he didn't have a quarterback.
Like a lot of people are really missing the thread here.
When you go from Tom Brady to Mac Jones, that's
an enormous drop. Now, don't get me wrong. I think
there are certain coaches who can maximize talent at the
(20:04):
quarterback level. I think Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota is one
of them. He's doing a wonderful job with Sam Darnold,
just as he did with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins played
his best years in Minnesota as a Viking under Kevin O'Connell.
What coaching tree did he come off of? Sean mcvay's.
Sean McVay got the absolute most out of Jared Goff
before he was shipped out to Detroit, and I think
(20:26):
a lot of what he learned, plus a lot of
what Ben Johnson's doing with Jared Goff, is really helping him.
So there are coaches out there that I do think
can improve a quarterback at this level. Ken develop a
quarterback at this level. But many great head coaches they're
not linked to a quarterback that they themselves necessarily developed,
(20:46):
or maybe they did, but there was greatness there, innate greatness,
Like are we going to laude Zach Taylor for everything
that Joe Burrow is? Probably not. Bill Belichick can take
many bows because they found Brady in the sixth round.
I mean, is Andy Reach solely responsible for Patrick Mahomes?
(21:06):
Probably not. I mean, you go through the list of quarterbacks,
there's a lot of great quarterbacks that names are forever
linked to great head coaches. It's hard to win in
this league without a great quarterback. And so I think
the biggest problem in New England, and the reason why
it's stopped relating well to the locker room for Belichick,
(21:27):
is because they stopped winning because they didn't have an
elite level quarterback. And it's hard to win in this
league without greatness at that position.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So Rich, let's go to the collegiate level. Rich Hornberger,
our teammate here, Fox Sports Radio. Here, I'm tomorrow Morning
Countdown to Kickoff, presented by bat MGM alongside Brian No
and Jared Smith as they get you set for championships Saturday.
Your alma mana is part of the equation here. And
James Franklin, you know, much like we talk about with
(21:58):
Ryan Day, it's always the narrative he can't beat big
teams three and seventeen all time against top ten squads,
even with the great resume overall, rich, is that what
we're talking about when this game against Oregon kicks off.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I mean that is like very similar to Ryan Day,
for example, against Michigan losing three straight and then his fourth.
This this very much feels like James Franklin needs needs
to get this albatross away from him because it does
loom over him with big, big games. Oregon is fantastic,
(22:34):
an unblemished record. They've done some amazing things, both both
offensively and defensively. But really they've done everything. They've done
everything they've needed to do. You know, there were certain
games where sure, I mean maybe they could have blown
out Maryland by more than they did, but did they
really need to if they were going to be undefeated?
The answer is no. You know, they they wanted to,
(22:55):
you know, focus on health and making sure maybe some
of their depth, got some reps later in this He's
in smart choice because you never know when the injury
bug's gonna bite, And so they head into this game
a real proven quantity. Penn State, it's a late riser.
They may be a little over their skis against arguably
(23:16):
the best team in the nation, but on any given Saturday, right,
I think Penn State's got a lot of moxie. I
think this team has a couple of tricks up their sleeve,
especially with the do it all, you know tight end.
He's a special player. And this is where you dump
out the proverbial playbook, right you know, Yeah, you want
(23:37):
to save some bullets in the chamber for the playoffs.
But if you can knock off the number one team
in the nation in the conference championship game and take
the top seed heading into the playoff bracket, that'll give
you an extra week to prepare more playbook playbook fodder
for your opening round of the postseason. So am I
giving them an enormous chance. Maybe not an enormous chance,
(24:00):
but I'm giving them a puncher's chance. Neutral field, you know,
there's going to be a lot of nerves on the
opposite sideline, too, it's a slim favorite. You know, we're
talking about a field goal. Plus I like Penn State's
chances here.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
You know, which we were actually talking about how it's
a different feel. I thought it was a different feel
for tomorrow because Georgia, Texas, Penn State, Oregon, they're all
going to go to the twelve team playoff. You're right,
they're gonna play for number one seeds. But there's not
an immediacy in the games because you lose, your still
got next week, right.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. You know, Actually that's a really
great point, Arnie, Arnold.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Arnold Elliott. You'll never hear it the same way again.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Because you know what, Arnie, I really do. I feel
like if something happens that's unforeseen in this game, where
all of a sudden, tomorrow bec more important than the present,
You're absolutely right, self preservation mode may take over for
one side or the other. So so we're in an
(25:09):
interesting situation. Even in these conference championship games, for the
most part, you would assume everybody's going to play for
keeps no matter what. But that's not where we're at
in college football anymore, because wins aren't just wins anymore.
You know, in the regular season, I mean, the way
you win is important. Style points matter. When we get
(25:32):
to conference championship games, you know, sometimes the way you
lose doesn't matter as much as it did in the
regular season. And that's sort of a math equation that
you may have to do as you hit the tunnel
in the first half heading into into intermission. You know,
say a game is already getting out of hand. I mean,
do you start pulling starters in the fourth quarter even
(25:55):
if you're losing. I mean, I appreciate what you just said,
because more more college football is going to turn into
college basketball with some of the things we see in
terms of, you know, metrically, how these teams are measured
against each other.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Rich Orenberger with us here, Jason smit Schell with me,
Mike harmon Fox Sports Radio from the Tirak dot Com studios.
Arnie Spanier in for Jason Smith Today. All that said, Rich,
let's turn our attention back to the International Football League,
if only for a moment. The Detroit Lions back to
back weeks big Divisional wins, eleven straight w's Dan Campbell
(26:38):
pro or con pro.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I mean pro pro pro pro. I'm ten years retired.
If he asked me to, I'd come out of retirement. Now.
My body's made of glass these days, so I'd last
for exactly three plays, I'd chatter, and they'd have to
sweep me into a damn dust pen in Detroit. But
I would play for that man. I think he has
captured the ethos of that city. I think he's made
(27:02):
believers out of that team. They got a bunch of
bad dudes looking to punch people in the mouth. He's
built toughness, he's built cultures, He's found a diamond in
the rough recovering Jared Goff and putting his belief behind
him because that's now paid off for him from team
leadership and also the way he's played at numerous points
(27:25):
throughout this season. He's looked like an MVP candidate at
numerous points this season. I mean, this team is a
wrecking machine it I mean, it reminds me of how
Mick described Apollo Creed. I mean it is. It is
a real deal, old school smash mouth football team, and
(27:46):
they're not dodging for nobody. So I'm excited for Detroit.
They look like a super Bowl team to me, and
that's because of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
One hundred and forty five fourth down calls, Arnie, how
do you like this? You're a gambling kind of guy.
Eighty two resulting in a first down, thirteen touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Wow, there you.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Go, fifty six conversion rate, but still good times. There
you go one hundred and forty five data points for
you to parse through. Because you know, Jason Smith normally
in the chair is like calls it cambeling. I say,
it's guts and determination. I like you, Rich.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I didn't have.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
A college career, I didn't have a pro career, but
I think I'd still run through that wall for that guy.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah. Yeah, I love the way he talks to everybody
in that room. And you know when he's you know,
red faced, veins sticking out of his neck and you know,
spitting and shouting, you see the reaction that he gets
from those players. There's real love and brotherhood inside of
those walls, and that's a force to be reckoned with.
(28:49):
It's it's what everybody is trying to manufacture. But that's
the problem. You can't manufacture family. You have to create
a family. And that's what Dan Campbell has done in Detroit,
just like we do.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
With Arnold Elliot, you got one last quick one there, Arnie.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I wanted because what happens if Las Vegas gets the
number one pick and they want Shador, but Shadur comes
with Dion. Do you fire Pierce and say, fine, we'll
take Dion, We'll take the whole family.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Well that's an interesting Okay, So so Pierce, unfortunately, I
think he may be ousted. Anyways, I think if you
have an opportunity to get Shador, I mean just the
flashiness of this, it works in Vegas, and you bring
in Dion, I think you have to do it just
to see, just to see. I mean, Vegas is a
(29:36):
city of spectacle. Sign me up. I mean, if I'm
Mark Davis, I'm pushing over loved ones. I'm throwing family
members off the balcony to draft Shador Sanders and hire
Dion as my coach if they'll allow me to. Because
I really do think that's another part of this Nil
culture and some of the things that are going on.
(29:56):
A lot of these quarterbacks are going to start calling
their shots, and so Shouldor is probably not going to
a team that he doesn't want to go to. We've
seen this in the past. I think We're gonna see
it a lot more. I think I think shoud Or
Sanders and Dion his his father as a coach. Maybe
a fit in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
New World Order. He's on Twitter at Ornberger. It's our guy,
doctor Rich Ornberger. He fulfilled the prescriptions and we'll all
breathe a little easier tonight, Rich six am Pacific time
tomorrow for you right here on Fox Sports Radio. Correct, Yes, sir,
I'll be on three hours alongside Jared Smith and Brian
No Countdown to Kickoff presented by bet MGM, getting you
(30:35):
ready for your day of college championship games. Doctor Rich,
thanks for stopping down, taking a little time from the
family and joining your radio family and learning Arnold Ernie's
Arnold's real name.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You're the best. It's like Cosmo, Cosmo.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah, keep crushing it. Boys, love you both. I'll fuck
you soon, brother, We'll see you later. All right, Time
to go over at the news desk. It's our guy,
Steve de Seger. Another member of the family, Arnold Elliott.
What do you think, Steve?
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Okay, Yeah, sure, Arty is fun. I hear Arnold. I
think you know seventy sitcoms. But that's just been by
the way you mentioned Sanders, Let's talk Barry Sanders, because
only Barry Sanders has finished a college regular season with
more rushing yards than Ashton genty who tonight had thirty
(31:30):
two carries two hundred nine yards in a touchdown. Tenth
rank Boise State at home beat twenty at th rank
UNLV twenty one seven for the Mountain West Championship. So
on the season, genty just shy of two thousand and
five hundred yards. That is number four all time. Because
you see the NCAA record book up until only about
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twenty years ago started counting the bowl games. Rushing stats
also go figure. Okay, earlier number twenty four armed Me
at home defeated Tulane to win the American Conference title
thirty five to fourteen quarterback Bryce and Daily with four
touchdown runs. He had twenty five carries one hundred and
twenty six yards, and the Army quarterback was two for
two passing nice the Army against Navy still next weekend,
(32:15):
by the way, in Landover, Maryland, and tonight's also in
cold temperatures about thirty degrees in Jacksonville, Alabama. Jacksonville State
fifty to twelve winners against Western Kentucky to take Conference USA.
The final playoff bracket will be announced this Sunday. Very
possible Boise State could get a first round by in
the playoff. Their only loss was at number one Oregon
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thirty seven thirty four in September on a late field goal.
Utah States new coach is Bronco Mendenhall exit BYU Eagles.
Wide receiver Devonte Smith will return Sunday from a hamstring injury.
The Mets are signing pitcher Clay Holmes as a starter.
He was a Yankee reliever two late games in the NBA.
Late third quarter, Utah, with a four and seventeen record,
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is leading ninety two fifty nine at Portland Wow and
mid third quarter Minnesota still leading at Golden State sixty
eight sixty three. Earlier, Atlanta won at six straight game
at overtime win against the Lakers one thirty four to
one thirty two. Trey Young thirty one points, twenty assists,
including a late three pointer. Road wins for Indiana and Sacramento,
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home wins for Philadelphia and Boston. The Celtics are nineteen
and four after edging Milwaukee one eleven, one oh five.
Jason Tatum thirty four points in men's college basketball at.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Northwestern on overtime.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Wildcats against number nineteen Illinois seventy to sixty six. West
Virginia defeated Georgetown seventy three to sixty NHL wins for
New Jersey and Washington. Right now in Vegas, the Golden
Knights late second period lead three to one over the
Dallas Stars. And we just heard from Rich who is
the color analyst for San Diego State football on campus tonight,
(33:56):
San Diego State women's basketball won one oh seven thirty
six against winless Bethesda University of Anaheim. San Diego State's
women only six turnovers in the game. The opponents had
thirty four turnovers and shot thirty one percent.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Anytime that your.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Turnover number is larger than your shooting percentage number not
a good sign.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Sef are you sure they didn't play Syracuse men's basketball?
Bad things man? Thanks Steve at Steve de Sagred.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
It's funny he was given the Northwestern Illinois score as
Pat Spencer checked in for the Warriors, who.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Played at Northwestern a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
There you go, randomness all around, and coming up next
as we continue, Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon
here from the tyrac dot Com studios, already in for Jason.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Question, was it the shoes? It's got to be the shoes.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Wasn't that the Mars Blackman line all those long years ago?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Well answer it.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
It's gotta be the shoes?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Or is it Welcome back in Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon. No Jason Tonight, it is Stead, our
teammate in off the Bench, our guy, Arnie Span, your
at stinking genius one broadcast legend, joins us frequently here
on the program and in the holiday holiday holiday spirit,
as he always is.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Are locked and loaded.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And look, you're a guy who's gone through a few
pair of basketball shoes in your career, noted three point marksman.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Hey, you've set the videos out.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I mean, yeah, the one where it's getting blocked and
that goes off my forehead out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
That one, well, that one happens. I mean, what are
you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
They're not all gonna be gems, but every once in
a while, look, the broken.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Clock is right twice a day.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Right, All that to say Lonzo Ball of the Chicago
Bulls unbelievable. Upon a time, the number two overall picked
by the Lakers. Remember his name and number. We're gonna
hang in the rafters. That was the Welcome to La
moment with Magic Johnson. Well, now you're talking about the
(36:14):
shoes he wore all the way back Summer League twenty seventeen.
Remember the Big Baller brand, Arnie Spaniard, three billion dollars,
you know, all the bravado of LaVar Ball. As old
man Lodzo Ball now wondering about the injuries of his
NBA career, I want to make him an NFL player
(36:36):
now of his NBA career and saying quote, they were
like kickball shoes.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
He wore them twice.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And then he and his manager went and bought several
pair of high end basketball footwear in Las Vegas as
he was the Summer League. MVP has shown some signs.
You know, his brother has had a very nice career,
but go back to a meniscus tear, number of knee injuries.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
He's missed several years on those shoes on the Big
Baller brand.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
So that's just it, right, He's saying, I think it's
a possibility for sure, To be honest with you, I
wasn't really getting hurt until I started wearing them again.
He wore them twice, talking to Josh Hart on the
light Hearted Podcast going back in twenty nineteen that they
had problems. Quote if you literally have those shoes from
(37:26):
those games, they exploded, et cetera. But also talking about
you know, all the years playing you know, on on
you know, the surfaces and asphalt, et cetera, which I'm
going to go over the long haul.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Those are a bigger.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Issue for you, much like running and the knee issues
that you have if you're running on gravel for many,
many years. Aren'tie as opposed to wearing those basketball shoes
a couple of times? All that to say, you know,
footwear is very important. It's a multi billion dollar business,
which is why the Big Baller brand was kicked off.
(38:05):
I still want to know what kickball shoes are. Yes,
I have never That's really the line that comes out
of all of it for me.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
You know, it's so funny if you try on like
the original pair of Jordan's, those things aren't even comfortable.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Now, I mean you you wouldn't even want to wear
them out.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
You'd have to like really break him in or something.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
So we've come so far.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
Remember the high top shoes to wear and on the
tongue of the shoe there'd be a little basketball and
you could pump it up. Oh sure, the things I
used to see those things get failed all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
They'd leak or.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
They'd get popped or something like that. So, yeah, shoes
are important. And I saw that when he when he
was saying that he thought maybe the injuries came from
the big Baller brand. Well, his father was trying to
create a big, big, you know, attack on Nike. It
never happened. Notice, we don't see his father much at
all anymore. I wonder if they're still clothes or what's
(38:58):
happening there because we don't see it much at all.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Well, I mean, look, obviously you receide, you had your
your zenith and your opportunities. And I haven't really checked
in on any of the lawsuits that were pending from
folks that never got their shoes, because remember those never
really showed up.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Oh yeah, So that's a whole other part of the
equation that needs to be sussed out.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
But for for.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Lonzo ball, I mean, he looked good in a couple
of games with the Bulls in the preseason and starting
the season back on the shelf, another injury taking him down.
This one cannot be attributed to shoes, but it is
an interesting, you know, just conceptually to kind of throw
out there.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It's like, hey, this could be part of your problem.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And how many times have we seen big men felled
because of foot injuries, et cetera. And certainly multi billion
dollar business we always talk about finding a sliver of it,
finding a sliver of the you know, beverage market, right,
and it's still one hundreds of millions of dollars of
represented revenues, and that's all the Big Baller brand was
(40:02):
trying to do. Hey, let's see if we can capitalize
on the name in the height of those two players
with a loudmouthed dad at the front.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
He almost did it too. He almost pulled it off there, Mike, almost.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Either way, he's still got two kids playing, Lonzo LaMelo,
and LaMelo is one hell of a player who we're
gonna be talking about trade deadline kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think. Before it's all said, and done. He's already
spanned your alt.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
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