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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Greed Eggs. Welcome back in.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's another hour here at the Fox Sports Radio Studios
Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Harmon.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No Jason Smith. Tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Rich Hornberger in his stead our buddy on loan from
the wonderful world of San Diego where you hear him
in the mornings part of our iHeart Family, and you
hear him Saturday mornings is part of Countdown to kick Off,
Jim and you ask Rich just about anything. I mean,
it's just Taylor made for all of the good things,
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you know, food like he's they do bar things and
all sorts of gastronomic chaotic things down there in San Diego.
And week to week, I'm sure there are physicals to
be had. So I heard you and Frostburg talking about
your old team, the Chargers, you think all taking a
physical and trying to literally walk on.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
If I get a call from Jimmy Harbab, I'm gonna
let him know that if the bar I need a
clear is just having a pulse of sixty beats per
minute or higher.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I could clear that bar.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
So if that's my physical, I could get out there
and look, I don't want to I don't want to
under estimate or pretend like what these offensive linemen are
asked to do at the NFL level is easy by
any stretch. It's a lonely feeling when a team knows
that they've got your number up front and they can
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start picking you apart with scheme and getting you know,
one on one block. That was a rough game against
the Jacksonville Jaguars. That was a tough loss for the Chargers,
especially when you look at a down year for the Chiefs,
an opportunity to pounds and you know Denver winning close
ones left and right. You kind of feel like his
others you're gonna drop. You know, it's just, oh man,
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what a squandered opportunity. And it all came down to
those two major injuries between Alt and Slater.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
We've talked about it a lot, the problems from the
training room. They went away for a year and here
they circle right back right. It's one of those things
with the Chargers, with the Ravens, we've chronicled probably the
last half decade plus where they've lost an an ordinate
number of starts to injury. So it hits again with
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those two big players Slater and all on the offensive
line and the trickle down effect they're in with the squad.
You also hear Riches part of the San Diego State
football five and one, eight and two overall, first in
the Mountain West Conference. One of your many hats that you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wear, thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah. Yeah, they sit alone atop the Mountain West. You know,
a group of five masterpiece is what this overall season
has looked like. They've had a couple of losses and
tough ones on the road. They lost a Washington State
against the Cougars in Pullman on the poloose out there.
They just they squandered what looked like a good and
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fast start to losing kind of the middle eight minutes
of that game and never got it back. And then
they got beat soundly on the Hawaiian Islands against the
University of Hawaii. That was their first ragin date. They
just beat Boise State in the driving rain in San
Diego through most of the game is kind of spotty
in the second half, but the run game wasn't. They
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only threw, They threw for less than twenty yards and
they won a game by ten points.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It's one of those kind of games, is what it
looked like. It sounded like. Got to hear a little bit.
I was in the car for a bunch of that one,
and I listened to our Chargers brethren Sprosburg and Matt
money Smith and Daniel Jeremiah on that one, So, you know,
different excitement levels, of course, but the driving rain really
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taking some of the juice out of what we're doing.
There's another run play and another run play. But hey,
it's effective football, right, It's winning football.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Look, you know, and I give a lot of credits
offensive coordinators in general who win whatever it is, face
with adversity or or not, you know, just finding what
works in a singular moment, in a singular game, sticking
to it. Like there are so many offensive coordinators who
can't get out of their own way where they're calling
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plays from the sideline because they're on the call sheet.
You know, it's like, well, we got to use them
because we practiced them this week. Well, what's wrong with
just running the plays that work? You know, it's wrong
with dominating people and blowing people off the wall play
after play after play in the run game. And if
that proves to be effective and they don't have an
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effective answer to that proven concept, just going back to
it and going back to it and going back to it.
And you know, we saw a lot of that Saturday,
fortunately for San Diego State and my squad out here
in San Diego and then unfortunately my old squad the
Los Angeles Chargers on the road in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was kind of like the shoe was.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
On the other foot Jacksonville who just found the key
to success against the Chargers, which is, you know, just
I mean take runs at Justin Herbert, get his cage
rattled early and he started to come unwound a little
bit down the stretch of that game.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, and then you saw the run game with ETN
and Toot and doing their thing. Trevor Lawrence for a while,
he just had perfected that two step to just get
the ball into their guts. So as we float through,
we'll talk more NFL in just a moment, because you
want to see what the cost of an egregious offensive
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act is. One NFL player found out as a suspension
got held up. We'll tell you what it cost him.
But first a quick update. The Lakers at home down
nine to the Utah Jazz lebron James i Oh for
one in his seven minutes played in that first quarter,
so we'll keep an eye on that. Your leading score
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was Keantay George with thirteen for the Lakers. Luca nine
points on three of seven shooting. Now in the Pittsburgh
Steelers and Cincinnati Bengals game, a very publicized act, you know,
a disgusting act to steal from Joe Buck all those
years ago with that Randy Moss celebration. But you know,
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we've seen the proliferation, an epidemic, as it were, of
spitting across the National Football League, and here you had
Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase getting after it. Mike Tomlin
was asked, you know, hey, if your guys in the middle,
I like, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I have no message of someone spits in your face,
You do what comes natural and.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
There you have it, right, get your thrown out, But look,
your instincts are gonna take out because it's about as disrespectful.
I mean, I don't know what's what would be worse? Right,
we talk about sucker punches and all the other stuff
that we see on a field, but spitting as bad
as it gets. Want a guess with the game check
and fine and everything totaled for Jamar Chase?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, what did what did that all add up to?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Being five hundred and seven thousand dollars?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That's an expensive mistake, very.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And the suspended for a game, Not that the Bengals
are going anywhere, but it's part of the larger narrative
of do you bother bringing Joe Burrow back off the
shelf after another loss? And now with your top options
sidelined for week twelve?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Man, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna start kind of
at the start. Anybody who spits on anybody has what's
coming to them, you know what I mean. Like, it's
just I don't I don't get it. I've I've never
understood it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I get
it from this standpoint. If you want to disrespect somebody
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in one of the most egregious ways. I mean, that's
that's pretty that's pretty high up the list. You know,
if we're talking about one on one, like what can
I do to you and not to those you love?
Like just me against you? What can I do to
you to show you ultimately that I have zero respect
for you? Go ahead and do that to me. I
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agree one hund with what Mike Tomlins said at the podium.
He can't. He obviously will get fined himself if he
advocates for violence. But you're playing a violent game, in
a gladiatorial sport amongst alpha men, You're gonna get what's
coming to you. And here's your problem. If you're Jamar Chase,
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your divisional rival, you think that just goes away. You
think you you think like you think this is over. No,
it's not over. So kind of a kind of a
dumb move. It kind of I mean more than a
dumb move. Obviously, with the you you tally the game,
check the suspension, harming your team's success, you know, whatever
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success they'd have, you know, and then obviously you know
your reputation whatever hit that takes. Man oh Man also
you're just kind of putting your own safety on the line.
Because how many times have we seen, especially between the
Cincinnati Bengals and Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, grudges be held.
Do you remember that Vontes Burrow Brown?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Right, Yeah, that's the name that comes up immediately. Yeah, yeah,
just plenty of those instances. And we look at Antonio
Brown and obviously he's facing some really difficult self induced
circumstances here, no question, but you know some of it.
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People keep trying to wonder if it didn't come back
from initially that hit.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is the the problem.
When you play a kid's game, like a kid in
a man's league, you will you will put a target
on your back. You know. If there's one thing that
you know is true of even war, is there are rules, right,
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you know we've agreed to long ago, Like there are
certain things even international conflicts amongst the hottest of rivals,
you just don't do you know, you're not gassing populations,
buying large civilians should be protected, like there are there
are rules, members of the press, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That's the same thing in football.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Now obviously the state are much lower you know, there's
nobody dying there on bombs going off, nobody's ducking under
rubble or bunkers to avoid you know, what could be
their destiny waiting in front of them. And the warfighters
who go to fight for this country are some of
the bravest men and women on the planet, and thank
God every day for them. But getting back to the
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comparison in football, even though it seems lawless at times,
even though you can play up until the echo of
the whistle, even though you can throw punches, and you
can grab somebody by the neck, and you can throw
an elbow into a gut, or you can cheap cheap
shot somebody under a pile. Like all those things, they
don't overall break any rules unwritten or otherwise. You may
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bend a few by doing some of those things I
just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But Chase, he broke a rule.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, this is all fairs in love and war,
except when you take it too far.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And he took it too far.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And unfortunately, the the outcome of those type of actions
is that gets sorted out between friends in locker rooms
and then out on the field on Sunday. So next
time the Steelers see the Bengals. Unfortunately, he's gonna have
to watch out for himself because there's just no excuse
for that kind of behavior.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Little extra coming back and thinking you're getting away with
it in today's day and age, where the cameras from
the guy sitting in the three hundred level are going
to pick up anything like that, let alone the HD
cameras that are aligning the field of Miller to boats
a whole other thing. You know, you got you got
deep on me there and I started, you know, getting
you know, those those fields of the patriotism and everything.
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Whereas initially in my mind I was just going back
to Anchorman, not the face, the face, to to your
San Diego residence down there. But I mean, take me
back to your your playing career. Right, you play at
Penn State, You're highly competitive, you know, well accomplished, and
then six years in the National Football League. Anything you
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want to, you know, get dispensation board like I'm a
priest here on national airwaves of things you may have
done in a pile or things that were committed against you.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I I did certain things, you know, unspeakable things
that I wish I didn't have to own up to.
But father, Harmon. I guess I will right here and
right now. I used to spoil movies for people on
the field.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You'm miserable.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Hey, have you seen this yet? No, guess what happened.
They're all already dead.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah dead, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Those family nights that they were gonna have with their kids.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
All dogs gone to heaven. Well guess what one does
for sure. It's just I feel terrible.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I know by the way we should have We should
have led off this whole part of the conversation with
spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Sorry, Rile, real quick, Yeah, buddy, we have as many
points as Lebron does tonight.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh my gosh combined.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh my gosh, all four of us, five of us not.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
In there too. Yeah, there you go. Not good, not good.
DeAndre playing low post tonight.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I have a feeling we may pass Lebrown.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Okay, there you go. We'll feed him inside, no question
about it. At Ornberger where you find him in the twitterverse,
Find me over at Swollen Dome. Coming out next, the
curious case of Lane Kiffen, the most sought after coach
in the land. He does protest, perhaps a bit too
much from my liking. What does doctor Rich say we'll
tell you next here on Fox Sports Radio.
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where you find him in the Twitter versus. We are
watching the Jazz and the Lakers midway through the second quarter,
eight point lead for the Jets, so keeping an eye
on that one as we flow. But the college football world,
we talked about the playoffs a little bit last hour.
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We'll circle back to that as the show goes on. Rich,
but one of the big fish and in the large ocean,
as we talk about the college football landscape and the
number of coaches that have been fired, everybody targeting Lane Kiff,
and I think he's been photoshopped into any as many
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as like twenty different schools colors at this point. With
the way Ole Miss is played to this point this year,
currently number six in the latest college football playoff rankings.
The reports of his family during the bye week being
off and hanging out at the University of Florida, hanging
out in Baton Rouge, all of those kind of things
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he's doing, the meetings and media requests and having players
conveniently hanging out there. It's like, no, it's all great here,
look it, I got my running back. He's just hanging
out with me and the kid. Sheepishly gets on camera
and kind of waves like, yes, I'm being forced here
against my will for it as a prop in this process.
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But seems like he's got the pick of any of
these jobs he wants to wants to go to. Still young,
still ascending despite some missteps along the way, but the
reclamation project, and as we know in this new age,
he certainly has acquitted himself nicely and being a depthely
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adapting to changing times and putting up major point totals
along the way, but him saying, no, I love it here,
Everything's fine. I mean, I get it. What else is
he supposed to say? But all evidence is that, you know,
he may have had an ultimatum delivered to him for
a decision before the egg bowl of all things, which
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would mean at this point, you're you have to decide
on whether you're staying at the school for the playoff run,
let alone long term.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, you know. I I'm very curious to see what
lane Kiffin does. But if I had to push my
chips to one outcome and one outcome alone, He's leaving.
Lane Kiffin is a gambler, and so that's the reason
why I thought it apt to use a poker analogy,
because he really has lived his life in sort of
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by the way in both like career choices but also
gain play in a high risk, high wire act way.
You know, he he really does a nice job recruiting.
I want to say that first and foremost, he really
does a nice job curtailing his system to fit and
match the skills of the players that he has on
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his roster, and it's worked out gangbusters for him this
time around. I'm a big link Kiffin fan for a
couple of reasons. I like guys who speak their mind.
I don't agree with everything he says, by the way,
like I find I find some of the comments, especially
when it was initially regarding name, image and likeness. You know,
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he was definitely rebuking the the the payment player aspect
of this thing, and you know, kind of heralding the
good old days. And it's like, well, the good old
days have been gone for a long time, and this is,
in my opinion, welcomed change for those who have lived
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that life and understand how much money is being made
around you while you're getting a tuition paid for. You're
literally playing for coaches who are millionaires.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Like, how does that add up?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
You know what I mean? Like in the NFL. Obviously,
the highest paid employees in the NFL are on the field,
as they should be because they're the ones who are
taking all the risk. They're the ones who are playing
all the games. The head coaches are also millionaires in
the NFL. So if so facto, shouldn't college football players
be And so you can't convince me, even if it's
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an outstanding tuition at out outstanding university of three hundred
thousand dollars for a five or four year tuition is
worthy payment for what a starting quarterback gives to a
university over four years, or you know, starting offensive lineman.
There I say, But I digress on all that to
get back to Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
No sideswiping my beloved Northwestern Wildcats.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
And I would you know that? And I would never,
I would never, but but I mean to that point, right,
the rules of engagement changed. Either jump in and figure
it out or don't. You could do the Davo sweety
if you want, but yeah, it's disingenuous, uh, to to
try to think that you can hold back and not
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be part of that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
If you're gonna wrong, Yeah, if you're.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Gonna be okay with players getting paid, then Mikey and
I'll stay true to this, and I'll I mean, there's
no belly aching over Lane Kiffin jumping ship on all
miss then you know what I mean. If if you
want player fluidity and you want players to be available
to jump in and jump out and all those things
which I'm in favor of, I mean, I can't say
word one about Lane Kiffen doing what he thinks is
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best for his family and his lineage and his pocketbook
at the end of the day, or his reputation or
what have you. So, I mean, I'm right now supportive
of the wild West that college foot all has become.
I think it makes it ever more interesting and infuriating
for for true fans of any given school.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a difficult adjustment from where
we we from whence we came. But you know, it
was always in the shadows, like the big gambling thing
that everybody wrings their hands on. Now it's like it
was always there. The fact that we're finding out about
these scandals means the system works and that you have
proof of concept and that you can tweak and work
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with the distributors and state to state UH to keep
fine tuning all of that. Likewise, with Nil, you know,
I was argued with with Northwestern, like you had potentially
the first mover or advantage if you'd actually gotten your
people mobilized. They did not, right Northwestern, Notre Dame and
schools of that ILK that perhaps there was an opportunity
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there when others were reticent. But we've always talked about
coaches being able to just pick up and leave and
the change to allow of players to that. I'm sorry
your job got a little bit harder. You're getting paid
commensurately for the extra work. Add an extra layer of
management if you need to, so you don't have to
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deal with it and do that glad handing. But ultimately,
you know, you know, as you said in an earlier segment,
right heavy is the head that wears the crown. There
it was the quarterback, here's the coach. So you're going
to reap the rewards. And he's got plenty of schools
that are willing to throw piles of money. I mean,
we'll get to your alma mater and the use of
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the last twenty four hours with James Franklin, I mean,
that was an awful lot of money that subtly just
kind of got wiped off the books. But it's just
that kind of thing with Lane Kiffin. He's well traveled,
a guy who's moved a ton. So you know, it's
just recognizing where the game is and that it's good
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for everybody. Now, do you need more of a scorecard
had to tell who's actually on your team year to year?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Is it more difficult to keep and retain players than
it was once upon a time. Absolutely, but again you're
you're also being paid a king's ransom in this you
always were, but it's even larger with the way these
prize pools for lack of a better term, roll up
with the college football playoff system.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, and to be clear, in ole Miss's defense, if
it is true, what the sourced reports are that we've
now heard from multiple different avenues for with a variety
of different levels of you know, claimed veracity, you know,
I mean, some people are saying, hey, this is the
god's honest truth, and some are saying, hey, just because
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there's been whispers around the water cooler doesn't mean that
this is necessarily necessarily true. But the report is that
if Lane Kiffin is not locked into Oxford for a
long term on track, then ole Miss will not let
him coach in the college football playoff. Now, saying that
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or potentially inferring that to people who then take that
over to Twitter x or write articles with that information
is one thing. And actually enacting and actually putting you know,
literally money where your mouth is literally uh, and and
dealing with all of the potential consequences and complications.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Of of of.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Ponying up and forcing him off the field for some
of the most important games ever played by your school.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I mean that is, those are two completely different things.
So I mean, if let's let's operate in a world
Miikey where this is true. What they're saying is true.
All these source supports are accurate. Link Kiven has been
handed and ultimatum and unless ole Miss can lock him
down for the long term, he will not coach the
college football playoff. Who do you think blinks first in
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this game of chicken? Do you think link Kiffin acquiesces
and signs a long term deal with ole Miss and
maybe it's the top deal in college football, or maybe
it's something less than that. Or do you think ole
Miss decides, Hey, if he doesn't want to sign, screw him.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I would say the school blinks because they've never had
this success and they'll have enough of a telethon going
with the major boosters to the program. We're like, how
do we lose this guy? We're having unpressle ride success.
How could you let this go?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Kirby Smart, according to the quick Search, makes about thirteen.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Million a year.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Then we get to Lincoln Riley Signetti with his new
deal and everything else where we're looking at like eleven
million or thereabouts, Ryan Day at maybe twelve based on
some of the reports. So that's the ballpark we're looking
at here. Currently he's minus three hundred to be the
next coach at Florida from the last odds I saw
plus three seventy five at LSU.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
But all of that to say.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You know, you've got a machine rolling right for the
last five years, double digit wins, the monster success this
year and he's the big fish, which means the cost
of poker goes up. Well, do you want to you
want to be in the room at the at the
big table, or do you want to be, you know,
at the local holiday inn playing a five to ten game? Right?
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I mean that's what you have to up side. Am
I in the World Series of Poker? Or am I
hiding in the back room? And if you're if you're
all miss you you have to just you know, bite
the bullet and get after it. Because for Lane Kiffin, look,
he's he's a well traveled guy, right, He's got a
long history. We know his story from hell when he
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was like twenty three years old at this point from
the coaching room, right.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, So like all of that come. Yeah, right, So
he's not a guy that is.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You know, beholden to one school or in place of employment,
right and trying to tug at his heartstrings. That's only
getting you so far. Open up the check book.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Otherwise he's gone, yeah, yeah, I'm with you. And and
honestly I'm also with you.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
If if he doesn't give them anything cement or concrete
and they make a college football playoff, I do think
that Ole miss blinks first as well. I think they
would happily keep him on the sideline and potentially do
something they haven't done certainly.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
In a long long time.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Down there in Mississippi and not risk the horrible and
I mean horrible pr backlash that they will have to
endure if they actually, uh, you know, are willing to
see this game of chicken all the way through and say, hey,
you know what you're gonna You called our bluff and
(28:56):
guess what we weren't bluffing. You are going to be
watching these college football playoff games from home.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You know who's gonna win.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You know, the war that would be waged between the
fans and the college, especially if they lose at some
point earlier than they think they should have earlier than
they think they would have if Lane Kiffen was on
the sideline. Well, Lane wins, Lane wins, and then Lane
will win again when he signs a monster deal with
one of these many desperate college football programs who would
(29:28):
be desirous of his coaching abilities. So yeah, I agree
with you there, and I'll also agree with you that
the tumbleweed of college football moves on from Ole Miss.
I don't think he sticks around for another season. When
you have, you know, something nearing unprecedented rise at a
program over a short period of time, and there are
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this many opportunities waiting out there where you can play
each opportunity off of them.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
You know, it's make no mistake.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
There was no stake made visiting Florida n LSU and
quick succession. You know, if you're following plane tracking apps
and some of the reports that came out based on
the whereabouts of Layla Kiffin, Wayne's ex wife's private plane,
you know, it's very obvious what's going on. He's trying
(30:19):
to play a couple of schools against each other, including
the one he's coaching at right now, and he's either
going to take the biggest paycheck or the best opportunity
or potentially both.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well as we look at it, I mean, you got
the I've got the coaching staff up here. I mean,
do we want to reach out to Joe Judge for
comment or Charlie Weiss Junior or some of the other
guys on staff to see how they're feeling. I'm feeling
a little plucky here coming down the stretch of the
college football season. It's it's fun. You got the email
(30:52):
address for Ole Miss and the office telephone number. I'd
be curious what the decision tree is as you go
down looking for the operator to get through to one
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(31:35):
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Speaker 2 (31:36):
What's up, Steve, Hello.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Lebron James in La making his season debut after the
bad back minute ago till halftime, Utah leading the Lakers
sixty four to sixty. James so far four points, one
of three shooting in his sixteen minutes on the court.
The other late game has Phoenix at Portland. That one's
never going to end because of course these late games
on Tdays, they.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Don't start till eleven ten Eastern time. People, Peacock, Baby,
come on, what is.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Going on here? Orlando and San Antonio each with home wins.
Boston got a victory at Brooklyn one thirteen to ninety
nine Jalen Brown twenty nine points. Detroit won it's eleventh
straight game, one twenty to one twelve at Atlanta, ending
a Hawk's five game win street Kay Cunningham twenty five points.
Tennis sist Milwaukee superstar Janis Antennacumpo could miss up to
two weeks with a stray groin. The Spurs Stefan Castle
(32:26):
has a strain hip. This was the Rookie of the
Year last season. He'll be reevaluated in one to two weeks.
Already San Antonio's victor women Yamas out with a strain calf.
There was a double header of college hoops at Madison
Square Garden. Number five Duke a winner over Kansas seventy
eight sixty six. Earlier, Michigan State rold Kentucky eighty three
sixty six. Number twenty one Arkansas survived against Winthrop eighty
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four eighty three. In the new college football playoff rankings,
the top three stayed the same, led by Ohio State
George Is up to number four, Oklahoma up to number
eight in the country, then number nine Notre Dame and
number ten Alabama as of now would barely make the playoff.
Number thirteen Miami would, as well as ACC champion Tulane
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ranked twenty fourth in the country, would get a playoff
spot as the best of five. The best of the
group of five. That means that BYU and Utah, ranked
eleventh and twelfth in the country as of now, would
not get In college football selection, Sunday is December the seventh.
Bengals wide receiver Jamar Chase is out this weekend. His
one game suspension was upheld. NHL wins for the Islanders
(33:32):
in Tampa Bay. The Angels tonight traded alfielder Taylor Ward
to Baltimore for pitcher Grayson Rodriguez. Pitcher showed to Imnaga
accepted a qualifying offer to stay with the Cubs, so
he'll earn twenty two million dollars next year. Also accepting
these qualifying offers to stay, brewers pitcher Brandon Woodruff, Yankees
outfielder Trent Grisham, and detroit enfielder Gleabar Torres, Spain and
(33:56):
Belgium earned spots in next summer's World Cup. Spain is
undefeated and it's last thirty one matches also in as
European qualifying finish today. Switzerland Scotland in for the first
time since nineteen ninety eight, and Austria is going to
the World Cup for the first time since nineteen ninety eight.
US men's soccer is in automatically as co hosts next summer.
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The Americans had their final game of the year tonight
in exhibition in Tampa, and the US won five to
one over Uruguay. It was for nothing late first half.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Back to you, Steve Rich, do you think if this
was the last of the college football playoff rankings. The
committee would be being questioned as to a bias against
the state of Utah.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No, just questioned in general. Yes, just agree with us.
Agreed with all of the above. Goodness, gracious.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, you know, I'm actually curious what you think real
quick here, Mike, about the fact that a group of
five team gets an autobid. I know there's a lot
of people out there who do not like this rule chain.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I'm personally in favor of it. I have to admit bias.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I work for a group of five football team, as
the San Diego State Aztecs radio color analysts. I would
love to see them play in a college football playoff game,
and that would appear to be one of the only
routes outside of getting an at large bid if they
remained undefeated and knocked off some national powers early in
their season. What have you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But what are your thoughts on all this?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, I think, well, we can do this as a
larger conversation about twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
But I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean, you've got to have a path, even if
it makes people uncomfortable. There's got to be a path
for these other conferences to have a seat at the table,
and it's going to be uncomfortable. There's going to be
teams to where it becomes the math problem. And this
is why I always have fun when they have to
do the explanations as people start asking about the rankings
(35:58):
of individual teams. So this and what about this? Right,
your wins against Penn State based on what the committee
said today are still being held in great high regard
regardless of whether they've dropped off right, so versus other
teams that have had similar fate to where they're like,
(36:18):
oh no, now they're five hundred teams like well wait,
wait a minute, wait, like how are these?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
How are these? Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You know, how do you rectify that? So we'll have
that larger discussion coming up about twenty minutes because coming
up next we're going to talk about frauds and no,
not credit card scams or anything like that. The holidays
are coming, so be careful out there with your information.
But no, no, no, we're going to talk about the NFL,
who you buying and which teams at the top that
(36:44):
people are starting to get chesty about. Are you still
a little reticent to jump on board the proverbial bandwagon?
He's rich Orberger how my garment, and.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
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Speaker 3 (36:59):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Me,
Mike Carmon, Rich Hornberger in for Jason Smith. Tonight, we're
at halftime here in Los Angeles, the Jazz seventy one
to sixty seven lead over the Lakers. We'll keep you
aprized to that talk about that game as it comes
down to the wire late in the wee hours of
(37:20):
the morning East Coast. But we're talking about the NFL
and the fun and excitement as we head into week twelve.
Still a lot of chaos to come, a lot of
new quarterbacks being introduced, So for your fantasy purposes, it's
absolutely chaos. But when we talk about the division leads
(37:41):
and where we're at in the playoff picture, Rich, where
we've got a Kansas City Chiefs team sitting at five hundred.
We've got the Indianapolis Colts and Daniel Jones coming out
of a bye week at eight and two. That's the
next battle for said Chiefs squad. You've got the Eagles
seemingly in the fall of malcontentedness, discontent, a lot of
(38:03):
little whispers in the background of what's going on, but
they continue to roll up W's winners of four straight.
It becomes the all, right, which of these teams do
you believe in? I think you lead with the Rams
and then you work from there.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In terms of the NFC side, the
Rams kind of feel like they've separated and eyeball test right.
It just feels like on the NFC side that the
most trustworthy team we've seen. You know, that win over Seattle.
It was hard to come by, and that was a
(38:37):
game where they intercepted Sam donald by four times and
they won by a slim margin, I think, down to
a miskick by Jason Myers in order to seal that
victory for the Rams. So the Seahawks had a chance
to win that game and advance their rank in the
NFC Conference playoff race, and maybe we'd be having a
(38:58):
different discussion if they did. But yeah, the NFC, I
do feel like the Rams have separated a little bit.
I'll say this, I'm I'm becoming with Brockback more of
a believer in San Francisco. I think with Dan Campbell
calling the plays in Detroit. Maybe less of a believer
in the Lions. Ye if I were going to label
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a team as a fraud, and I'm not even sure
if it's fair, say it green Bay. I don't really
trust green Bay.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I just got right off at the top of the division.
The Bears, well, well yeah, okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I really do like Ben.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Johnson though on the turnaround that Caleb Williams had, But
on the NFC side, I really I don't trust Green Bay.
They feel out of sainc. The offensive line has had struggles.
I think losing Craft was a huge problem at tight end.
Who would you call a fraud on that division?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
On that way, I would take the check out of
the North because with Jacob's banged up, Jordan Love's been ordinary,
and they're plan last year of Hey, we got a
lot of guys that average four hundred plus receiving yards.
They were all on that graphic that you don't have
a true number one just when you need to get it.
Craft was as much as you had that and the
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Jacob's in the run game. And while I'm enamored with
what the Bears are doing and I'm enjoying every minute
of it. It's also you're going into a very difficult
stretch of games coming up, and there's still a bit
herky jerky in terms of getting through.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Run.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Game has been good, Caleb has been better. You never
turned the ball over and he's not taking the sacks.
All of those things we've discussed. But when it's all
said and done, I mean, you're living and dying by
two minute drills and generally that doesn't play for a
full season.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, I mean, and you're absolutely right. It's like murderers
row up next, Steelers, Eagles, Green Bay. Why he have
sandwiched in between the Browns? Who I mean, defense.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Get after you?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, it's no easy road.
I think it's fair. And you know what, I'm glad
that you were able to set your allegiance aside, something
that your normal co host is seemingly incapable of doing
at times when you guys have discussions about the Jets,
Mets otherwise.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
But but it's, uh, yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I don't know, there's something about Ben Johnson that has
me convinced they're they're special.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
We'll talk about them a little bit more we'll do
the AFC later on. Let's talk some more NBA next
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's another hour here at the Fox Sports Radio Studios
Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Harmon.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No Jason Smith. Tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Rich Hornberger in his stead our buddy on loan from
the wonderful world of San Diego where you hear him
in the mornings part of our iHeart Family, and you
hear him Saturday mornings is part of Countdown to kick Off,
Jim and you ask Rich just about anything. I mean,
it's just Taylor made for all of the good things,
(00:59):
you know, food like he's they do bar things and
all sorts of gastronomic chaotic things down there in San Diego.
And week to week, I'm sure there are physicals to
be had. So I heard you and Frostburg talking about
your old team, the Chargers, you think all taking a
physical and trying to literally walk on.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
If I get a call from Jimmy Harbab, I'm gonna
let him know that if the bar I need a
clear is just having a pulse of sixty beats per
minute or higher.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I could clear that bar.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
So if that's my physical, I could get out there
and look, I don't want to I don't want to
under estimate or pretend like what these offensive linemen are
asked to do at the NFL level is easy by
any stretch. It's a lonely feeling when a team knows
that they've got your number up front and they can
(01:55):
start picking you apart with scheme and getting you know,
one on one block. That was a rough game against
the Jacksonville Jaguars. That was a tough loss for the Chargers,
especially when you look at a down year for the Chiefs,
an opportunity to pounds and you know Denver winning close
ones left and right. You kind of feel like his
others you're gonna drop. You know, it's just, oh man,
(02:19):
what a squandered opportunity. And it all came down to
those two major injuries between Alt and Slater.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
We've talked about it a lot, the problems from the
training room. They went away for a year and here
they circle right back right. It's one of those things
with the Chargers, with the Ravens, we've chronicled probably the
last half decade plus where they've lost an an ordinate
number of starts to injury. So it hits again with
(02:48):
those two big players Slater and all on the offensive
line and the trickle down effect they're in with the squad.
You also hear Riches part of the San Diego State
football five and one, eight and two overall, first in
the Mountain West Conference. One of your many hats that you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wear, thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah. Yeah, they sit alone atop the Mountain West. You know,
a group of five masterpiece is what this overall season
has looked like. They've had a couple of losses and
tough ones on the road. They lost a Washington State
against the Cougars in Pullman on the poloose out there.
They just they squandered what looked like a good and
(03:29):
fast start to losing kind of the middle eight minutes
of that game and never got it back. And then
they got beat soundly on the Hawaiian Islands against the
University of Hawaii. That was their first ragin date. They
just beat Boise State in the driving rain in San
Diego through most of the game is kind of spotty
in the second half, but the run game wasn't. They
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only threw, They threw for less than twenty yards and
they won a game by ten points.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It's one of those kind of games, is what it
looked like. It sounded like. Got to hear a little bit.
I was in the car for a bunch of that one,
and I listened to our Chargers brethren Sprosburg and Matt
money Smith and Daniel Jeremiah on that one, So, you know,
different excitement levels, of course, but the driving rain really
(04:17):
taking some of the juice out of what we're doing.
There's another run play and another run play. But hey,
it's effective football, right, It's winning football.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Look, you know, and I give a lot of credits
offensive coordinators in general who win whatever it is, face
with adversity or or not, you know, just finding what
works in a singular moment, in a singular game, sticking
to it. Like there are so many offensive coordinators who
can't get out of their own way where they're calling
(04:49):
plays from the sideline because they're on the call sheet.
You know, it's like, well, we got to use them
because we practiced them this week. Well, what's wrong with
just running the plays that work? You know, it's wrong
with dominating people and blowing people off the wall play
after play after play in the run game. And if
that proves to be effective and they don't have an
(05:09):
effective answer to that proven concept, just going back to
it and going back to it and going back to it.
And you know, we saw a lot of that Saturday,
fortunately for San Diego State and my squad out here
in San Diego and then unfortunately my old squad the
Los Angeles Chargers on the road in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was kind of like the shoe was.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
On the other foot Jacksonville who just found the key
to success against the Chargers, which is, you know, just
I mean take runs at Justin Herbert, get his cage
rattled early and he started to come unwound a little
bit down the stretch of that game.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, and then you saw the run game with ETN
and Toot and doing their thing. Trevor Lawrence for a while,
he just had perfected that two step to just get
the ball into their guts. So as we float through,
we'll talk more NFL in just a moment, because you
want to see what the cost of an egregious offensive
(06:06):
act is. One NFL player found out as a suspension
got held up. We'll tell you what it cost him.
But first a quick update. The Lakers at home down
nine to the Utah Jazz lebron James i Oh for
one in his seven minutes played in that first quarter,
so we'll keep an eye on that. Your leading score
(06:27):
was Keantay George with thirteen for the Lakers. Luca nine
points on three of seven shooting. Now in the Pittsburgh
Steelers and Cincinnati Bengals game, a very publicized act, you know,
a disgusting act to steal from Joe Buck all those
years ago with that Randy Moss celebration. But you know,
(06:48):
we've seen the proliferation, an epidemic, as it were, of
spitting across the National Football League, and here you had
Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase getting after it. Mike Tomlin
was asked, you know, hey, if your guys in the middle,
I like, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I have no message of someone spits in your face,
You do what comes natural and.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
There you have it, right, get your thrown out, But look,
your instincts are gonna take out because it's about as disrespectful.
I mean, I don't know what's what would be worse? Right,
we talk about sucker punches and all the other stuff
that we see on a field, but spitting as bad
as it gets. Want a guess with the game check
and fine and everything totaled for Jamar Chase?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, what did what did that all add up to?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Being five hundred and seven thousand dollars?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That's an expensive mistake, very.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And the suspended for a game, Not that the Bengals
are going anywhere, but it's part of the larger narrative
of do you bother bringing Joe Burrow back off the
shelf after another loss? And now with your top options
sidelined for week twelve?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Man, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna start kind of
at the start. Anybody who spits on anybody has what's
coming to them, you know what I mean. Like, it's
just I don't I don't get it. I've I've never
understood it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I get
it from this standpoint. If you want to disrespect somebody
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in one of the most egregious ways. I mean, that's
that's pretty that's pretty high up the list. You know,
if we're talking about one on one, like what can
I do to you and not to those you love?
Like just me against you? What can I do to
you to show you ultimately that I have zero respect
for you? Go ahead and do that to me. I
(08:43):
agree one hund with what Mike Tomlins said at the podium.
He can't. He obviously will get fined himself if he
advocates for violence. But you're playing a violent game, in
a gladiatorial sport amongst alpha men, You're gonna get what's
coming to you. And here's your problem. If you're Jamar Chase,
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your divisional rival, you think that just goes away. You
think you you think like you think this is over. No,
it's not over. So kind of a kind of a
dumb move. It kind of I mean more than a
dumb move. Obviously, with the you you tally the game,
check the suspension, harming your team's success, you know, whatever
(09:25):
success they'd have, you know, and then obviously you know
your reputation whatever hit that takes. Man oh Man also
you're just kind of putting your own safety on the line.
Because how many times have we seen, especially between the
Cincinnati Bengals and Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, grudges be held.
Do you remember that Vontes Burrow Brown?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Right, Yeah, that's the name that comes up immediately. Yeah, yeah,
just plenty of those instances. And we look at Antonio
Brown and obviously he's facing some really difficult self induced
circumstances here, no question, but you know some of it.
(10:08):
People keep trying to wonder if it didn't come back
from initially that hit.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is the the problem.
When you play a kid's game, like a kid in
a man's league, you will you will put a target
on your back. You know. If there's one thing that
you know is true of even war, is there are rules, right,
(10:38):
you know we've agreed to long ago, Like there are
certain things even international conflicts amongst the hottest of rivals,
you just don't do you know, you're not gassing populations,
buying large civilians should be protected, like there are there
are rules, members of the press, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That's the same thing in football.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Now obviously the state are much lower you know, there's
nobody dying there on bombs going off, nobody's ducking under
rubble or bunkers to avoid you know, what could be
their destiny waiting in front of them. And the warfighters
who go to fight for this country are some of
the bravest men and women on the planet, and thank
God every day for them. But getting back to the
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comparison in football, even though it seems lawless at times,
even though you can play up until the echo of
the whistle, even though you can throw punches, and you
can grab somebody by the neck, and you can throw
an elbow into a gut, or you can cheap cheap
shot somebody under a pile. Like all those things, they
don't overall break any rules unwritten or otherwise. You may
(11:45):
bend a few by doing some of those things I
just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But Chase, he broke a rule.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, this is all fairs in love and war,
except when you take it too far.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And he took it too far.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And unfortunately, the the outcome of those type of actions
is that gets sorted out between friends in locker rooms
and then out on the field on Sunday. So next
time the Steelers see the Bengals. Unfortunately, he's gonna have
to watch out for himself because there's just no excuse
for that kind of behavior.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Little extra coming back and thinking you're getting away with
it in today's day and age, where the cameras from
the guy sitting in the three hundred level are going
to pick up anything like that, let alone the HD
cameras that are aligning the field of Miller to boats
a whole other thing. You know, you got you got
deep on me there and I started, you know, getting
you know, those those fields of the patriotism and everything.
(12:40):
Whereas initially in my mind I was just going back
to Anchorman, not the face, the face, to to your
San Diego residence down there. But I mean, take me
back to your your playing career. Right, you play at
Penn State, You're highly competitive, you know, well accomplished, and
then six years in the National Football League. Anything you
(13:01):
want to, you know, get dispensation board like I'm a
priest here on national airwaves of things you may have
done in a pile or things that were committed against you.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I I did certain things, you know, unspeakable things
that I wish I didn't have to own up to.
But father, Harmon. I guess I will right here and
right now. I used to spoil movies for people on
the field.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You'm miserable.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Hey, have you seen this yet? No, guess what happened.
They're all already dead.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah dead, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Those family nights that they were gonna have with their kids.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
All dogs gone to heaven. Well guess what one does
for sure. It's just I feel terrible.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I know by the way we should have We should
have led off this whole part of the conversation with
spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Sorry, Rile, real quick, Yeah, buddy, we have as many
points as Lebron does tonight.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh my gosh combined.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh my gosh, all four of us, five of us not.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
In there too. Yeah, there you go. Not good, not good.
DeAndre playing low post tonight.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I have a feeling we may pass Lebrown.
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where you find him in the Twitter versus. We are
watching the Jazz and the Lakers midway through the second quarter,
eight point lead for the Jets, so keeping an eye
on that one as we flow. But the college football world,
we talked about the playoffs a little bit last hour.
(16:37):
We'll circle back to that as the show goes on. Rich,
but one of the big fish and in the large ocean,
as we talk about the college football landscape and the
number of coaches that have been fired, everybody targeting Lane Kiff,
and I think he's been photoshopped into any as many
(16:58):
as like twenty different schools colors at this point. With
the way Ole Miss is played to this point this year,
currently number six in the latest college football playoff rankings.
The reports of his family during the bye week being
off and hanging out at the University of Florida, hanging
out in Baton Rouge, all of those kind of things
(17:18):
he's doing, the meetings and media requests and having players
conveniently hanging out there. It's like, no, it's all great here,
look it, I got my running back. He's just hanging
out with me and the kid. Sheepishly gets on camera
and kind of waves like, yes, I'm being forced here
against my will for it as a prop in this process.
(17:40):
But seems like he's got the pick of any of
these jobs he wants to wants to go to. Still young,
still ascending despite some missteps along the way, but the
reclamation project, and as we know in this new age,
he certainly has acquitted himself nicely and being a depthely
(18:00):
adapting to changing times and putting up major point totals
along the way, but him saying, no, I love it here,
Everything's fine. I mean, I get it. What else is
he supposed to say? But all evidence is that, you know,
he may have had an ultimatum delivered to him for
a decision before the egg bowl of all things, which
(18:24):
would mean at this point, you're you have to decide
on whether you're staying at the school for the playoff run,
let alone long term.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, you know. I I'm very curious to see what
lane Kiffin does. But if I had to push my
chips to one outcome and one outcome alone, He's leaving.
Lane Kiffin is a gambler, and so that's the reason
why I thought it apt to use a poker analogy,
because he really has lived his life in sort of
(18:56):
by the way in both like career choices but also
gain play in a high risk, high wire act way.
You know, he he really does a nice job recruiting.
I want to say that first and foremost, he really
does a nice job curtailing his system to fit and
match the skills of the players that he has on
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his roster, and it's worked out gangbusters for him this
time around. I'm a big link Kiffin fan for a
couple of reasons. I like guys who speak their mind.
I don't agree with everything he says, by the way,
like I find I find some of the comments, especially
when it was initially regarding name, image and likeness. You know,
(19:40):
he was definitely rebuking the the the payment player aspect
of this thing, and you know, kind of heralding the
good old days. And it's like, well, the good old
days have been gone for a long time, and this is,
in my opinion, welcomed change for those who have lived
(20:01):
that life and understand how much money is being made
around you while you're getting a tuition paid for. You're
literally playing for coaches who are millionaires.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Like, how does that add up?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
You know what I mean? Like in the NFL. Obviously,
the highest paid employees in the NFL are on the field,
as they should be because they're the ones who are
taking all the risk. They're the ones who are playing
all the games. The head coaches are also millionaires in
the NFL. So if so facto, shouldn't college football players
be And so you can't convince me, even if it's
(20:35):
an outstanding tuition at out outstanding university of three hundred
thousand dollars for a five or four year tuition is
worthy payment for what a starting quarterback gives to a
university over four years, or you know, starting offensive lineman.
There I say, But I digress on all that to
get back to Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
No sideswiping my beloved Northwestern Wildcats.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
And I would you know that? And I would never,
I would never, but but I mean to that point, right,
the rules of engagement changed. Either jump in and figure
it out or don't. You could do the Davo sweety
if you want, but yeah, it's disingenuous, uh, to to
try to think that you can hold back and not
(21:20):
be part of that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
If you're gonna wrong, Yeah, if you're.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Gonna be okay with players getting paid, then Mikey and
I'll stay true to this, and I'll I mean, there's
no belly aching over Lane Kiffin jumping ship on all
miss then you know what I mean. If if you
want player fluidity and you want players to be available
to jump in and jump out and all those things
which I'm in favor of, I mean, I can't say
word one about Lane Kiffen doing what he thinks is
(21:46):
best for his family and his lineage and his pocketbook
at the end of the day, or his reputation or
what have you. So, I mean, I'm right now supportive
of the wild West that college foot all has become.
I think it makes it ever more interesting and infuriating
for for true fans of any given school.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a difficult adjustment from where
we we from whence we came. But you know, it
was always in the shadows, like the big gambling thing
that everybody wrings their hands on. Now it's like it
was always there. The fact that we're finding out about
these scandals means the system works and that you have
proof of concept and that you can tweak and work
(22:30):
with the distributors and state to state UH to keep
fine tuning all of that. Likewise, with Nil, you know,
I was argued with with Northwestern, like you had potentially
the first mover or advantage if you'd actually gotten your
people mobilized. They did not, right Northwestern, Notre Dame and
schools of that ILK that perhaps there was an opportunity
(22:54):
there when others were reticent. But we've always talked about
coaches being able to just pick up and leave and
the change to allow of players to that. I'm sorry
your job got a little bit harder. You're getting paid
commensurately for the extra work. Add an extra layer of
management if you need to, so you don't have to
(23:15):
deal with it and do that glad handing. But ultimately,
you know, you know, as you said in an earlier segment,
right heavy is the head that wears the crown. There
it was the quarterback, here's the coach. So you're going
to reap the rewards. And he's got plenty of schools
that are willing to throw piles of money. I mean,
we'll get to your alma mater and the use of
(23:35):
the last twenty four hours with James Franklin, I mean,
that was an awful lot of money that subtly just
kind of got wiped off the books. But it's just
that kind of thing with Lane Kiffin. He's well traveled,
a guy who's moved a ton. So you know, it's
just recognizing where the game is and that it's good
(23:57):
for everybody. Now, do you need more of a scorecard
had to tell who's actually on your team year to year?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Is it more difficult to keep and retain players than
it was once upon a time. Absolutely, but again you're
you're also being paid a king's ransom in this you
always were, but it's even larger with the way these
prize pools for lack of a better term, roll up
with the college football playoff system.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, and to be clear, in ole Miss's defense, if
it is true, what the sourced reports are that we've
now heard from multiple different avenues for with a variety
of different levels of you know, claimed veracity, you know,
I mean, some people are saying, hey, this is the
god's honest truth, and some are saying, hey, just because
(24:47):
there's been whispers around the water cooler doesn't mean that
this is necessarily necessarily true. But the report is that
if Lane Kiffin is not locked into Oxford for a
long term on track, then ole Miss will not let
him coach in the college football playoff. Now, saying that
(25:07):
or potentially inferring that to people who then take that
over to Twitter x or write articles with that information
is one thing. And actually enacting and actually putting you know,
literally money where your mouth is literally uh, and and
dealing with all of the potential consequences and complications.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Of of of.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Ponying up and forcing him off the field for some
of the most important games ever played by your school.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I mean that is, those are two completely different things.
So I mean, if let's let's operate in a world
Miikey where this is true. What they're saying is true.
All these source supports are accurate. Link Kiven has been
handed and ultimatum and unless ole Miss can lock him
down for the long term, he will not coach the
college football playoff. Who do you think blinks first in
(26:02):
this game of chicken? Do you think link Kiffin acquiesces
and signs a long term deal with ole Miss and
maybe it's the top deal in college football, or maybe
it's something less than that. Or do you think ole
Miss decides, Hey, if he doesn't want to sign, screw him.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I would say the school blinks because they've never had
this success and they'll have enough of a telethon going
with the major boosters to the program. We're like, how
do we lose this guy? We're having unpressle ride success.
How could you let this go?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Kirby Smart, according to the quick Search, makes about thirteen.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Million a year.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Then we get to Lincoln Riley Signetti with his new
deal and everything else where we're looking at like eleven
million or thereabouts, Ryan Day at maybe twelve based on
some of the reports. So that's the ballpark we're looking
at here. Currently he's minus three hundred to be the
next coach at Florida from the last odds I saw
plus three seventy five at LSU.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
But all of that to say.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You know, you've got a machine rolling right for the
last five years, double digit wins, the monster success this
year and he's the big fish, which means the cost
of poker goes up. Well, do you want to you
want to be in the room at the at the
big table, or do you want to be, you know,
at the local holiday inn playing a five to ten game? Right?
(27:25):
I mean that's what you have to up side. Am
I in the World Series of Poker? Or am I
hiding in the back room? And if you're if you're
all miss you you have to just you know, bite
the bullet and get after it. Because for Lane Kiffin, look,
he's he's a well traveled guy, right, He's got a
long history. We know his story from hell when he
(27:47):
was like twenty three years old at this point from
the coaching room, right.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, So like all of that come. Yeah, right, So
he's not a guy that is.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You know, beholden to one school or in place of employment,
right and trying to tug at his heartstrings. That's only
getting you so far. Open up the check book.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Otherwise he's gone, yeah, yeah, I'm with you. And and
honestly I'm also with you.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
If if he doesn't give them anything cement or concrete
and they make a college football playoff, I do think
that Ole miss blinks first as well. I think they
would happily keep him on the sideline and potentially do
something they haven't done certainly.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
In a long long time.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Down there in Mississippi and not risk the horrible and
I mean horrible pr backlash that they will have to
endure if they actually, uh, you know, are willing to
see this game of chicken all the way through and say, hey,
you know what you're gonna You called our bluff and
(28:56):
guess what we weren't bluffing. You are going to be
watching these college football playoff games from home.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You know who's gonna win.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You know, the war that would be waged between the
fans and the college, especially if they lose at some
point earlier than they think they should have earlier than
they think they would have if Lane Kiffen was on
the sideline. Well, Lane wins, Lane wins, and then Lane
will win again when he signs a monster deal with
one of these many desperate college football programs who would
(29:28):
be desirous of his coaching abilities. So yeah, I agree
with you there, and I'll also agree with you that
the tumbleweed of college football moves on from Ole Miss.
I don't think he sticks around for another season. When
you have, you know, something nearing unprecedented rise at a
program over a short period of time, and there are
(29:50):
this many opportunities waiting out there where you can play
each opportunity off of them.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
You know, it's make no mistake.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
There was no stake made visiting Florida n LSU and
quick succession. You know, if you're following plane tracking apps
and some of the reports that came out based on
the whereabouts of Layla Kiffin, Wayne's ex wife's private plane,
you know, it's very obvious what's going on. He's trying
(30:19):
to play a couple of schools against each other, including
the one he's coaching at right now, and he's either
going to take the biggest paycheck or the best opportunity
or potentially both.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well as we look at it, I mean, you got
the I've got the coaching staff up here. I mean,
do we want to reach out to Joe Judge for
comment or Charlie Weiss Junior or some of the other
guys on staff to see how they're feeling. I'm feeling
a little plucky here coming down the stretch of the
college football season. It's it's fun. You got the email
(30:52):
address for Ole Miss and the office telephone number. I'd
be curious what the decision tree is as you go
down looking for the operator to get through to one
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Speaker 8 (31:38):
Lebron James in La making his season debut after the
bad back minute ago till halftime, Utah leading the Lakers
sixty four to sixty. James so far four points, one
of three shooting in his sixteen minutes on the court.
The other late game has Phoenix at Portland. That one's
never going to end because of course these late games
on Tdays, they.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Don't start till eleven ten Eastern time. People, Peacock, Baby,
come on, what is.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Going on here? Orlando and San Antonio each with home wins.
Boston got a victory at Brooklyn one thirteen to ninety
nine Jalen Brown twenty nine points. Detroit won it's eleventh
straight game, one twenty to one twelve at Atlanta, ending
a Hawk's five game win street Kay Cunningham twenty five points.
Tennis sist Milwaukee superstar Janis Antennacumpo could miss up to
two weeks with a stray groin. The Spurs Stefan Castle
(32:26):
has a strain hip. This was the Rookie of the
Year last season. He'll be reevaluated in one to two weeks.
Already San Antonio's victor women Yamas out with a strain calf.
There was a double header of college hoops at Madison
Square Garden. Number five Duke a winner over Kansas seventy
eight sixty six. Earlier, Michigan State rold Kentucky eighty three
sixty six. Number twenty one Arkansas survived against Winthrop eighty
(32:49):
four eighty three. In the new college football playoff rankings,
the top three stayed the same, led by Ohio State
George Is up to number four, Oklahoma up to number
eight in the country, then number nine Notre Dame and
number ten Alabama as of now would barely make the playoff.
Number thirteen Miami would, as well as ACC champion Tulane
(33:09):
ranked twenty fourth in the country, would get a playoff
spot as the best of five. The best of the
group of five. That means that BYU and Utah, ranked
eleventh and twelfth in the country as of now, would
not get In college football selection, Sunday is December the seventh.
Bengals wide receiver Jamar Chase is out this weekend. His
one game suspension was upheld. NHL wins for the Islanders
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to Baltimore for pitcher Grayson Rodriguez. Pitcher showed to Imnaga
accepted a qualifying offer to stay with the Cubs, so
he'll earn twenty two million dollars next year. Also accepting
these qualifying offers to stay, brewers pitcher Brandon Woodruff, Yankees
outfielder Trent Grisham, and detroit enfielder Gleabar Torres, Spain and
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Belgium earned spots in next summer's World Cup. Spain is
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European qualifying finish today. Switzerland Scotland in for the first
time since nineteen ninety eight, and Austria is going to
the World Cup for the first time since nineteen ninety eight.
US men's soccer is in automatically as co hosts next summer.
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The Americans had their final game of the year tonight
in exhibition in Tampa, and the US won five to
one over Uruguay. It was for nothing late first half.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Back to you, Steve Rich, do you think if this
was the last of the college football playoff rankings. The
committee would be being questioned as to a bias against
the state of Utah.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No, just questioned in general. Yes, just agree with us.
Agreed with all of the above. Goodness, gracious.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, you know, I'm actually curious what you think real
quick here, Mike, about the fact that a group of
five team gets an autobid. I know there's a lot
of people out there who do not like this rule chain.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I'm personally in favor of it. I have to admit bias.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I work for a group of five football team, as
the San Diego State Aztecs radio color analysts. I would
love to see them play in a college football playoff game,
and that would appear to be one of the only
routes outside of getting an at large bid if they
remained undefeated and knocked off some national powers early in
their season. What have you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But what are your thoughts on all this?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, I think, well, we can do this as a
larger conversation about twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
But I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean, you've got to have a path, even if
it makes people uncomfortable. There's got to be a path
for these other conferences to have a seat at the table,
and it's going to be uncomfortable. There's going to be
teams to where it becomes the math problem. And this
is why I always have fun when they have to
do the explanations as people start asking about the rankings
(35:58):
of individual teams. So this and what about this? Right,
your wins against Penn State based on what the committee
said today are still being held in great high regard
regardless of whether they've dropped off right, so versus other
teams that have had similar fate to where they're like,
(36:18):
oh no, now they're five hundred teams like well wait,
wait a minute, wait, like how are these?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
How are these? Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You know, how do you rectify that? So we'll have
that larger discussion coming up about twenty minutes because coming
up next we're going to talk about frauds and no,
not credit card scams or anything like that. The holidays
are coming, so be careful out there with your information.
But no, no, no, we're going to talk about the NFL,
who you buying and which teams at the top that
(36:44):
people are starting to get chesty about. Are you still
a little reticent to jump on board the proverbial bandwagon?
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Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Me,
Mike Carmon, Rich Hornberger in for Jason Smith. Tonight, we're
at halftime here in Los Angeles, the Jazz seventy one
to sixty seven lead over the Lakers. We'll keep you
aprized to that talk about that game as it comes
down to the wire late in the wee hours of
(37:20):
the morning East Coast. But we're talking about the NFL
and the fun and excitement as we head into week twelve.
Still a lot of chaos to come, a lot of
new quarterbacks being introduced, So for your fantasy purposes, it's
absolutely chaos. But when we talk about the division leads
(37:41):
and where we're at in the playoff picture, Rich, where
we've got a Kansas City Chiefs team sitting at five hundred.
We've got the Indianapolis Colts and Daniel Jones coming out
of a bye week at eight and two. That's the
next battle for said Chiefs squad. You've got the Eagles
seemingly in the fall of malcontentedness, discontent, a lot of
(38:03):
little whispers in the background of what's going on, but
they continue to roll up W's winners of four straight.
It becomes the all, right, which of these teams do
you believe in? I think you lead with the Rams
and then you work from there.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In terms of the NFC side, the
Rams kind of feel like they've separated and eyeball test right.
It just feels like on the NFC side that the
most trustworthy team we've seen. You know, that win over Seattle.
It was hard to come by, and that was a
(38:37):
game where they intercepted Sam donald by four times and
they won by a slim margin, I think, down to
a miskick by Jason Myers in order to seal that
victory for the Rams. So the Seahawks had a chance
to win that game and advance their rank in the
NFC Conference playoff race, and maybe we'd be having a
(38:58):
different discussion if they did. But yeah, the NFC, I
do feel like the Rams have separated a little bit.
I'll say this, I'm I'm becoming with Brockback more of
a believer in San Francisco. I think with Dan Campbell
calling the plays in Detroit. Maybe less of a believer
in the Lions. Ye if I were going to label
(39:20):
a team as a fraud, and I'm not even sure
if it's fair, say it green Bay. I don't really
trust green Bay.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I just got right off at the top of the division.
The Bears, well, well yeah, okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I really do like Ben.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Johnson though on the turnaround that Caleb Williams had, But
on the NFC side, I really I don't trust Green Bay.
They feel out of sainc. The offensive line has had struggles.
I think losing Craft was a huge problem at tight end.
Who would you call a fraud on that division?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
On that way, I would take the check out of
the North because with Jacob's banged up, Jordan Love's been ordinary,
and they're plan last year of Hey, we got a
lot of guys that average four hundred plus receiving yards.
They were all on that graphic that you don't have
a true number one just when you need to get it.
Craft was as much as you had that and the
(40:20):
Jacob's in the run game. And while I'm enamored with
what the Bears are doing and I'm enjoying every minute
of it. It's also you're going into a very difficult
stretch of games coming up, and there's still a bit
herky jerky in terms of getting through.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Run.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Game has been good, Caleb has been better. You never
turned the ball over and he's not taking the sacks.
All of those things we've discussed. But when it's all
said and done, I mean, you're living and dying by
two minute drills and generally that doesn't play for a
full season.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, I mean, and you're absolutely right. It's like murderers
row up next, Steelers, Eagles, Green Bay. Why he have
sandwiched in between the Browns? Who I mean, defense.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Get after you?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, it's no easy road.
I think it's fair. And you know what, I'm glad
that you were able to set your allegiance aside, something
that your normal co host is seemingly incapable of doing
at times when you guys have discussions about the Jets,
Mets otherwise.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
But but it's, uh, yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I don't know, there's something about Ben Johnson that has
me convinced they're they're special.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
We'll talk about them a little bit more we'll do
the AFC later on. Let's talk some more NBA next
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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