June 10, 2025 • 41 mins
The Florida Panthers have mentally broken the Edmonton Oilers. Plus, Jason pulls back the curtain and tells you exactly how ESPN is being way too soft with its NBA Finals broadcast criticism.
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We'll get to a big story out of the NBA
Finals coming up in a couple minutes. But boy, if
you like your your fights with a side of hockey
you are gonna enjoy Game three of the Stanley Cup Final.
The second multiple freakis fight breakout in the last twenty
minutes has just happened between the Panthers and the Oilers.
(01:25):
Panthers on the cusp of taking Game three five to one. Look,
we told you this last on Friday night. It's such
an incredibly emotional win for the Panthers on the road
when you can win in double overtime after the Oilers
tied it with seventeen seconds left, Like, I don't know
how you come back from this. Mentally, if you're Edmonton,
you got to go on the road. I'm expecting this
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series to be three to one going back to Edmonton,
and well that's kind of we're seeing it so far.
With the Panthers up five to one, looking a lot
like the Knicks. I thought they'd respond better, but I
guess not. Nix you, but I tell you it happens
when when you get broken and the Oilers look like
they've been broken tonight by the Panthers. You knew it
wasn't gonna just be hey, we're gonna take this five
to one whipping and go quietly, No, no, no, because
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when when you take the heart of your opponent, when
you drop the puck, sometimes a fight breaks out. Sometimes
two fights breakout, sometimes three fights bread sometimes four fights
break out at the same time when you rip their
hearts out, like Lloyd Christmas Fight Night and Dumb and
Dumber Frederick just frost check Punnet. Don't get stick about that.
(02:29):
It's gonna that is career and Nurse.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We're just gonna start seeing ten minutes Pastana's getting handed out.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Gaudovich and Nurse to the left of your screen, throwing punches.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Smitch helmet us come off. He's tackling with Connor brown.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Back if it's still going out of it, Nurse. These
guys are just throwing haymakers at each other and it's
not Nick Nurse. By the way, it's not not to
say Nick Nurse is not fighting. I had a rough
end of the year though, and no one is calling
for a nurse. Nor if I just beat up, they
might be. They were bleeding from their ears. He was
(03:14):
waiting for Seamus and Drew McIntyre to show up in this.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I mean, it was a full on fight night.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It was brutes making their way and trying to watch
across go, I'm watching this fight now.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
No, I'm watching. No, I'm watching this Fight't pan backs
far enough to get them all in screen. That looks
like it's the best fight. No, no, the one in
the bottom has been oh no no no.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The one of the top right is about no no no,
back to the bottom screen, like all this fay is missing.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
With somebody walking up to the bench and clawking McDavid
in the face.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I was kind of waiting for the slap shot where
like when the Hanson brothers, when the when the one
Hanson brother comes by with this thing, he goes everybody in.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The face, he goes through the whole bench.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, but this has hit a situation and Florida just
tacked down another So now it's six to one, three
minutes remaining. It's the situation. I mean, you coached softball soccer.
You've watched your share of youth sports to where a
game starts getting out of hands score wise, where you
know the chippy play is coming.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, it's like, can we get out of here in
one piece? Right?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
A hard slide tackle that doesn't make any sense coming
from behind, or you know, the big hit as as
the balls going out of bounds or a slide into
second base. That's what we're getting right now from Edmonton.
Like it's just all right, I got a guy near
the boards. I'm just gonna see him up, yeah and
see what happens, because they they need because and I
get it, because this is hot. This is how you
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try to flip some momentum because they have none. They
have absolutely you lose that absolute heartbreaker in getting in
in game two, which is again in sports, Ye okay,
you use a heartbreak, you come back the next day. Yeah,
it does always work that way, especially in hockey. Right
at home and now you're you're going to where they're
they're putting up the towels with ratsom.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You always know, like I always know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You know what knowing a loss really hits home is
when you see after a game is over and the
team that wins is the road, like in overtime, and
they're celebrating and everybody's leaving the ice, and you know,
they're doing postgame and everything, and there's pockets of fans
just sitting in their seats because they're so stunned. Thousand
years I can't get up yet. I mean, that's my favorite.
(05:14):
That's what why is why I love hockey?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Like that? You say all the handshake line is the best?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
No, my favorite the fans you just and the and
there's no they're not look like they're getting up, like
you know, the guys there with his girlfriend neither look
like they want to get up, the guys there with
his buddies, or they're just sitting there and they have
that like you said that thousand yards stare. I'm not
ready to leave yet because I don't I'm not over
what I just saw, how we lost this game.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I'm not cready coming up and tapping them on the shoulder,
come on and moving to the exits like they're still
on the court or the ice.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I'm not moving.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, in the post game, you know, it's like a
half hour is gone, they still go back and do
the fans just sitting there?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Hey, yeah, we want to just to move things along here.
You know. I want to get home to my family too.
I got some.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Cold macaroni I'm gonna heat up in the microwave and
then I'm gonna try to watch a little bit of fallon.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So uh let me. I want to go. I want
to get going. I want to get going. I get it,
let me go.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You want to be the sweep for whatever giveaway to
see how many you can get through your eBay auctions.
But uh, come on, we gotta we gotta get.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
A moving But that really, I mean you hear overused
all the handshake at the end of the series, which
we handshake inut of this series might be interesting, but
I mean that that's my favorite one. I see that,
it's like, wow, like you understand you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Took the soul.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, like everybody else football, bet, everybody can't leave. I
can't leave fast enough. In hockey, it's like I can't
believe I need to sit here. I can't get up
and leave yet. And that's awesome. That's why I love.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
That that invested the hockey fan is the best alongside
the glass or a couple of rows up that has
put everything into this squad.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I watched it for years from the three hundred level
while I was trying to avoid getting bitten by rats.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You don't get yeah, or one of the fame now
the squirrel rats that they have in New York. Apparently
those things are fighting. Is this can we confirm this
is real?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Or is this? You know?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Ai c G.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I what do we got? Go rat?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The squirrel put his rat tail up over his head
because it's stay out of the rain.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Now, while we are waiting again to the game three
at the Stanley Cup Final is going to go to Florida.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's six to one with a minute left to go.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
We are waiting for Game three of the NBA Finals,
which will be on July seventh. And I got a
fun about July. Okay, maybe July sixty well to get
them to move it. Yeah, you want to see Paul
Simon on July. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
See it's a perfect song for this hockey. Sure.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But so we're waiting till Wednesday night for game three,
and I got I really have a fun thing on
waiting between NBA games coming up in a few minutes.
But uh, you think about what's going on so far.
The main criticism of the finals. Yes, you could criticize
the Thunder for blowing the lead in Game one, for
the Pacers and Halliburton not showing up they need to
(07:50):
in Game two, but virtually everybody is criticizing ESPN because
of the broadcast. No one is a fan of the broadcast.
And again I didn't really get to see the broad
you know, everything begun until this weekend because Game one
were on the air. But you see that people talking
about after going it doesn't feel like the NBA Finals.
It feels like it's a game in February. There's no
(08:13):
real decoration of the court. Well they super imposed, Yeah,
well right now, that's the whole thing, right, that's my point.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So it didn't feel like the five.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That was a big criticism after game, but didn't feel
like the Final, felt like a regular season game. The
booth is still trying to figure out who they are,
especially when here's your booth and the rumors, oh yeah,
Doris Burke might not be doing this anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Wait, everybody loved Doris Burke.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
No, no, So now someone who's doing this could be
a lame duck and could be out right, this is
this is bad, right. You don't want you don't want
your broadcast criticized. So what happens for Game two? But
ESPN we're gonna super impose a Larry O'Brien trophy on
the court to make it look that way. And that
got criticism and it's still getting criticism that the booth
is not great. It doesn't feel like the NBA Finals. Now,
there is part of it being it's Oklahoma City in Indiana.
(08:55):
It's not Lakers Nicks. It's not the Lakers in the heat,
it's not the the Celtics and Warriors, right, and so
I get that, but I understand the criticism of it.
But that's not But I'm gonna take this in a
different direction here, like why is this? Why is this
out there? Like why is ESPN getting criticized like this?
It's happening because ESPN, more than anybody else, listens to
(09:19):
all the outside noise when it comes to criticism of
them as a network or the on air product. They
listen way too much to what is said on social media,
what people say on television. It's like there's people's jobs
to say, Hey, they're saying this on social media. We
gotta get away from this, right, Like social media hated
Chris Berman every time we did. They hate what happened.
(09:40):
Chris Berman basically does nothing for ESPN anymore. Right, everybody
hated I don't like the Monday Night Football booth. I
don't like the booth. Ratings were fine everybody. I don't
like Steve Levy. I don't like Jason, what happened. We
gotta change the book. We gotta hire other guys. Now,
gotta spend a lot of money because nobody likes those guys.
They spend way too much time listening to what is
said on social media. And I'm not even getting in
the political sense of when one person says something about
(10:01):
one political party. I just mean as far as what
their content is. They are so reactionary to whatever people
say on social media. And okay, now, yah, so they
heard the response after Game one, Boy, it doesn't feel good.
The Larry O'Brian trophy is not there. So some executive
just said, let's super impose Lario brian trophy. So let's
listen to the people. Let's listen to the people on
Twitter who are saying, oh, it seems so small time
(10:23):
where people are not going to watch the finals because
of this, Like like you know what, have a spine
and do and do the best broadcast you can right
for if not every place is perfect? Right now, every
place is perfect and clearly you know, hey, Fox has
you know issues just like you know other places do.
But I will say this as far as when you know,
I know, when we do stuff for radio and TV.
Stuff gets out there, stuff is said, stuff is It
(10:44):
depends if it's sports wise. Now I'm saying it's staying
in the sports world. If the sports world stuff is controversial,
it's controversial and it's said and nobody you don't back
away from it. This is now you get away from
the sports world. That's a different story, right, I'm not
saying that stuff away from but you talk about sports
because that's sticking with this is the presentation of the finals.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
ESPN.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
They have always cared way too much about what people
think who have a dial in their hand when they're
there trying to you know, with focus groups for radio,
whether it's focus groups for television, they care so much
what these ten people in a room think, or they
care so much what five thousand people on Twitter are saying,
like it seems like it's all look at at the
(11:24):
biggest trending topic is ESPN's NBA Final. Well no, really,
only five thousand people are tweeting about that, but it
seems big because it's the what thing. More people are
tweeting about SGA or something else. But let's focus on that.
And that's always been ESPN's achilles he They listen way
too much. Right, I'll tell you this story. This is
my favorite story of ESPN is that they listen to
focus groups all the time. Right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They take the shows. They would take our shows playing
for folks with ten people.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
They have a dial in their hand and it would
be like they would say, Okay, when you hear something
you like, move it towards ten. And if you're hearing
something you don't like, move it towards one. Okay, right,
so if you have like a bad three seconds, like,
they would move the dial towards one and and and
the executives go, oh, they didn't like they didn't like
this conversation. They didn't like this. Oh, but here they
are direct to ten. It's like this is what they
would do.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So there was one time I remember I would meet
with my program director, like once a month. We go
over stuff and everything. And you know, the good thing
is my program director is kind of new, like okay,
let's just let's only get involved when we need to.
But when ESPN has a big dictum going forward, it's like,
we want to talk to people. So they say, okay, hey, uh,
here's the thing. You know, we found out people love
(12:28):
personal stories tell personal stories about stuff that you can
relate to. I was like, well that's my wheelhouse because
I love doing that. Okay, great, but the more personal
story stories you can tell, great, make sure you related
to what's going on, but tell personal stories. Okay, awesome, Right,
So that's what we did, not even six months later.
I want to say, this was like in like March,
but like going into football. We had a meeting and
they're like, yeah, hey, so we just did. Hey, let's
(12:51):
cut back on the personal stories. Wait what cut back
on the personal stories? You know that's not where we
want to go. We want to I go six months ago,
not even six but personal stories were great? You love
personal stories? Well, well I think they went back and
they did some demoing and they went through in the
personal story. I'm like, oh my god, you guys are insane.
You guys are absolutely insane. But this is how ESPN
(13:12):
did it, right, I mean, hear it fucked. No, No
one cares what I tweet. They don't sit here and
care what people tweet about the shows. If you're saying
if you say, oh I think this, I think that's
like yeah, okay, whatever. But they listen so much to
what's being said, and now you're seeing this knee jerk
reaction and no wonder there's all kinds of blanket criticism
of the finals because they can't just go and do
(13:32):
their thing. Oh no, no, we gotta listen to what we
gotta listen to what people are saying on social media.
So we're gonna change.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So they don't program a ESPN.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
It's twenty So congratulations the people on Twitter that don't
like the BRU. You got that change, you got you
now broadcast ESPN. You should get money from them.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, especially because you can actually single those people out
because it's an echo chamber of a very small window
of people on the larger Twitter landscape. So good for
them they were able to affect change in broadcasting. I
don't listen to it. I always have a second screen experience.
I was finishing my siple witch rewatch during the FI Okay,
(14:06):
it wass on one TV in the game on the
other way, Okay, the pacer I got the needle in
game one, got the needle the pacers one Game one
pacers weren't here in game two.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
No, Game two we watched. You had the experience, so
why would they get the needle? On one.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
No Game two we're talking about. But you said Game
one he was watching, he was watching NYPD blue end.
Game two. You said, who got the needle? The Pacers
got the needle?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, and I thunder got the needle in game one.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yes, yeah, I mean I know in the final point
for the final point, three second.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Frostburg said, having a tough time. Now, what is the
what of the Dodgers padres?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What is it? Nine to nine in the third inning?
Is that the score? Boy?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
If you bet the over, you're feeling pretty good about now.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Come in there like a Florida panther.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
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Speaker 2 (15:01):
So you want to know why.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
ESPN has always cared way too much about what's being
said on social media. I mean you see it and
all their decisions they make over the last few years.
Coming up next, I get that that really crazy story
about days between games in the NBA Finals, plus the
new coach whose career Aaron Rodgers could end this year
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Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, now they're showing those sad guys still sitting in
the seats after that hockey game.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But that we'll get to.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We'll get to that fun NBA story coming up in
a second about the NBA Finals, but a little bit
more in the conversation we had a few minutes ago. Look,
the ESPN's getting all kinds of criticism for the airing
of the NBA Finals. How it doesn't look like an
important series. It looks like a series in February. They
don't have the Larry O'Brian trophy on the courts. They
try to superimpose people get upset. You have a booth
(17:30):
that nobody knows about their future, their present, and I
you know, and a few minutes ago, I said, hey,
you know, ESPN's always been knee jerk reaction to social
media and whatever's people say in social media is well,
we got to fix it because people don't like it. Right,
It's what it's what to push Chris Berman to the side.
It's what pushed out the Monday night football booth. I mean, look,
and I was there, I mean Isaiah, I saw it
(17:52):
for years, right, doing doing all night there, being there
on TV. I know how they just knee jerk to
stuff on social media when sometimes you have a backbone
and sorry, we're gonna build this and this is gonna
be our and this is gonna be how we build it.
But he had that that crazy decision, Oh, it doesn't
look like a big time so let's super impose Larry
O'Brien trophy on the court for game two.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's like, oh, that's gonna do it. That's gonna do it, right,
That's that's just stupid.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Why don't you just go and get the different courts
like you use during the tournament and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Let's do that. But look, a better.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Part of it is this, and and and this is
another really interesting part of this is that there's certain
networks that do sports better than others.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Right, and and you.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Watch Fox do football and Fox doing football doing the NFL.
You it's it doesn't matter. It's always always a big game, right.
And I give ESPN tons of credit because the sports
they do the best are baseball, rest in peace baseball
for them, baseball and college football and college basketball. Right,
those have always been the three best sports ESPN's ever done.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Big Mondays, Saturday, every game, field of production feels great.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It's certain sports, you know, certain networks do better than others.
But the big thing watching when you watch ESPN that
this is this is kind of another option of it
is that I feel like ESPN has no identity. Their
NBA broadcasts have no identity because it's it's pregame and
halftime of Steven A. Smith screaming about the Nixon, Halliburton
whatever it is. And then you go into a game
(19:23):
and then it's Mike Breen that everybody loves, right, But
then is Doris Burke, who I love doors but now
she's not gonna might might be a part of it
going forward? Right, how does that leak before the finals?
And Richard Jefferson, okay, you know they they you know,
Martin Wison and you were talking with this a few
minutes ago, like they kind of had something good going
with JJ Reddick. He was very polarizing. But JJ Reddick
obviously is now my buddy. JJ Reddick is now coaching
(19:44):
the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Top guy.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like, so they really as they don't have a voice, right,
Like I don't know what the identity of the ESPN
NBA broadcast is. And so yeah, when when you put it,
when you put a broadcast out this as well, we're
a little bit of this. We're a little bit of
screaming before the game and a halftime. We're a little
bit of of of putting together a broadcast that is
that is kind of it's nuts and bolts Sea a
(20:08):
little bit. But then now we're gonna bring in the
TNT guys next year because they're gonna add their flavor
to it. Like what's their identity? I don't know what
it is? And and we talk about this for NFL
for teams in sports all the time, Hey, what's your idental?
Like NFL teams, you gotta have an identity. Right, We're
gonna play great defense, We're gonna run the football right
we go, We're gonna put points on them, We're gonna
throw that We're gonna do this, you have to have
(20:28):
an identity. Usually you have to have an identities a franchise,
but but generally each season, this is the identity that
the coaches put forward, and teams with identities generally play better.
I feel like they just don't have it, Like they're
just kind of we're putting, we're throwing things up there
to see what sticks. And there's no cohesion.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It feels like you're watching three different shows when you're
watching ESPN and wh when when they broadcast and that,
and that's never good. Like you, you want to be
able to have some sort of of of symbiosis between
segments and and make the making the game big and
making sure big names are talking about it where you
want them talking about it.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And now they're gonna bring in the TNT guys who
are gonna come in and basically probably take over. Well
they very should coming. We're coming in because and because
they're like, hey, this is gonna be us. They want
to fight like this is a reflection on us when
we come in here. Now we want to be able
to do the same show because the last thing look
and you know, listen, guys, they want good things being
said about them. The last thing that that that that
(21:27):
EJ and Kenny and Shaq and Charles want coming in
is people go, oh, they're not the same They've been ESPN,
They've done this, They're not the same guy. So they're
come be saying blank you we're gonna do the show
we want to. So now if that's gonna be the identity,
where does the other Where do the other guys fit right?
Like Steve and A Smith is not suddenly going to
be on with these guys. They're not gonna be on
Pat McAfee, and they're not gonna like you go all
a sudden T and the tn T guys are coming
(21:49):
in combatively against everything. So it's gonna be such a
mess like and so the NBA ESPN, it's the broadcast
is just there's absolutely no cohesion on it. I don't
know what they're about. I don't know their identity. I
know what I'm watching TNT and I got I know
what I'm gonna get from the guys coming off of
this game. I know what I'm gonna get coming into
this game. And again, it's not just a it's all
(22:10):
ESPN across board. I know what I'm getting when I
watch him do a big college football game, right, I
know what I'm getting when I watch a big NFL
game on Fox.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I know what I'm getting here.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And it's just something that they have lost their voice
and an NBA has lost their way and you're seeing
it on display. Unfortunately in the finals that have two
smaller markets, so that's exacerbating it a little bit. Well,
but that's the thing, right, you talk about a very
what tumultuous year would be the kind way to describe
the relationship between the NBA and Adam silver Right doing
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a lot of finger wagging when he does his rounds
on radio and television about how the game is covered
in two guys faces like, ah, you're too negative and okay,
well now you're adding to it because this is gonna
now go out and the blog is fhear of you
calling guys out publicly.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's not behind closed doors. We hear this may have
been a thing. No, you're putting it out and airing
your laundry front and center. You've got the TNT guys
getting ready to come in like they're the damn nWo. Right,
which guys Scott Hall, which guys Diesel, which guys the
Halkster and Eric Bischoff over there ringing his hands.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I mean, you got all that going on, so you
got the infighting there.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Meanwhile, like I said, you've got a whole year of
complaining about the coverage of the game. And then what
happens when you get a couple of teams like Oklahoma
City in Indiana it becomes a well, they're small markets.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
They don't have stars.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You've heard all the headlines, right, It's been dotted time
and time again. So but like we always joke, you
and I love us, hate us. The worst thing you
could be is indifferent. So folks are watching and they're mad.
Guess what they're watching. You might get some people drawn
in who are now gonna hate watch to see how
bad it really is. But everybody else has already decided
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they're tuned out, right, they've already moved on to baseball,
or there's summer plans. So all of that to say,
it's a product that as you go into the finals,
you had a game plan.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Right, There's millions of dollars that get spent leading.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Up into this, right, ad buys and I mean we're
talking hundreds of millions of dollars being of commerce around
the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You didn't go in with any of this.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Just going, hey, you know what, guys, have a good show, right,
there's hours about hours of discussions and blueprints and game
plans and behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Right, you don't just walk on to behind the.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Table there before broadcasting a game. You know, Doris Burke
and Richard Jefferson their producers and Mike Breen.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You know what, we got to keep it fresh for air.
We haven't talked about any of this.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Nobody's given us any advanced stats. I want you guys
on the Google machine as we're in the product. No,
you got a team of how many people that are
putting this thing together. It's not haphazard, so to do
the breakneck responses to it doesn't look big enough. Hey,
if we superimpose the Larry O'Brien trophy, that's gonna do it?
(25:13):
What for game three? Is it gonna spin? Is it
gonna start glowing? I mean, like, what are we gonna do?
Are we gonna put the contrails on the shot from
three point range so it looks like you, hey, watch
the flow of the bad I mean, what else are
you gonna do. You're gonna superimpose, Hey what are they
out there? And they're actually up against the green screen
and now they are the there's no anime figures. That's
(25:37):
what we like, the animated versions. And it's just an
insane reaction. You have what you put in for this finals,
whether it works or not, just you got it a
whole off season to figure it out. But that's what
happens when you don't have a voice, you don't have
an identity, you wind up being knee jerk to what's
said on social media. Right, Sports Illustrated writes this big
(25:58):
article about what's wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'll we're gonna fix it. But like, let's put the
Larry O'Brien trophy super imposed it on TV?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Like wow, come on man.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
A critic decided, you know it's I mean, yeah, great,
you're programming ESPN. Congratulations, congratulations you've done that. Like this
is what it's a vicious cycles he gets paid. I
would alway.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I mean, we do a lot of stuff that gets
used by other shows.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I hadn't seen it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Extra jack, dude, I'm still waiting for my ring from
the RAMS for the Super Bowl from you know, getting
getting shot I gotta start going full with two letters
a week, Jason.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
And don't forget how Mike Breen had to explain to
the audience at the beginning why he didn't use the bang.
Oh yeah, because he got called out for it, Like
why are you didn't address it?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, like he he didn't on the Halliburton shot to
end game one, he just gave a bang.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We talked about it, like I'd like to give a bang.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Maybe maybe we did, because we talked about it that night, like, wow,
Mike Breen didn't give that a double bang or anything else.
He just gave it a bang, and then people talked
about it. So it's like Game water in the finals.
It should have been a triple right. So so he
says after I didn't give it a bank because I
save it for three pointers.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, fine, enough.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What happens when Halliburton hits his first shot of Game two,
he does it, He does a double bank, saying I
owed him one for that, Like dude, wow, man, Like
it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I feel like ESPN's like the.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Satire And here's the comedic character who just searches his
name on Twitter all the time to see what is
said about him and reality.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Oh, I can't believe this.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm doom scrolling and saying all these bad things about me,
like just go do your thing, have confidence and in
the thing and what you're doing and putting out and
just do it right.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But that this is what happened.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You could tell ESPN's not confident in their NBA product.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But it's brand management. You call yourself the leader.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah, you're following guys on Twitter as to what
they would like to see.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I would like to see that guy actually with a
long cape cape and I'd like to see Tony Brothers
wearing a cape in the top hat when he sends
SGA to the free throw.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Like, what do we do?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
We there's referee Tony Brothers in the cape and hat
looking very much like Hugh Jackman and as Pt Barnum
time out the thunder want to talk it over because
Zach Effron is now on the court and they are
now going back and forth trying to figure out who
owes what money. This goes way back to the Greatest Showman.
(28:20):
A sensational move by Zach Effron jumping on the scorers table.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
He carefully he might get his head head head in
the game and hit a jump shot on you too.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now, so again again, when you don't have a voice,
that's what happens. Now.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mentioned this right because now we were waiting three
days for the NBA pier.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Right, now, here's long gestation process before?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Because I forgot, I said, which was the NBA Finals
that I couldn't think about? Which was had the longest
time between games? I said, it was one like in
the seventies, and it was.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I looked it up. It was seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It was the Bullets and the Sonics when they played,
and it took eighteen days to play seven games. Eighteen days.
They started on May twenty five. I'm sorry, they started
on May twenty first, Right, they started on May twenty first.
They finished on June seventh. Okay, they played on May
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twenty first, three days off between game one and game two.
So twenty first, twenty fifth, twenty eighth, the thirtieth, the second,
the fourth, and the.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Seventh did they run into a bunch of concerts or
the circus? Yet?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, I'm funny you say that because this is my
favorite part of this story. Right, So eighteen days and
I love that though every every article about this says,
you know, rumors that the NBA did this for television,
like really in seventy eight and then for television.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Okay, fine, hey man, this tape delay games.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But going over the attendance of the series, you see
like attendance Game one nineteen thousand, Game two eighteen, whatever,
Game three nineteen, game game four thirty nine thousand, like
thirty nine thousand. So I went look, they played the
first two games at Seattle, played at home in the
Seattle Coliseum.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
They played Game four in the Kingdome. How about that?
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I'm like, oh my god, Like, how do you have
thirty nine thousand people on this?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Ok? No, they played They can't dive out an aircraft carrier.
I mean, come on, that's what it is. Right now.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Hey, we're playing you know, we're playing you know, the
Indiana pace out.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
We're gonna play. We're gonna say, Caitlyn Clark before Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We're gonna work, We're gonna we're gonna play the culture.
Letting us play Game five of the NBA Finals. I'm
feeling pretty good about moving to a bigger man.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I mean really, I mean, that's that's insane. I love it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I mean, eighteen days to play seven games. But in
the middle we're gonna have one game in the kingdon
I dig that exit out Valta Fresca Exit Swollen Dome.
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of Sportsman. Man who bet the over on number of
runs for the Padres and the Dodgers, He's feeling pretty
(30:48):
good right now.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
It's Martin Weiss.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yeah, I would be six to six right now in
the sixth inning with the dog.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Oh, man, can't say six sick? Come on, man, six
six six? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
You canna open up the portal between heaven and it's
gonna be like cabin in the woods.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Who listens after the last time I did this. I'm
just making sure those sixes are actually six.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Very good, very good.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I had to double check eight. Just No, six to
six for sure. In the sixth inning, No eight's anywhere
between the Dodgers and the Padres. With the Dodgers up
to bat right now, the Diamondbacks lead the Mariners two
to nothing. In the seventh inning, the Angels lead the
A's four to two in the eighth inning. Earlier today,
(31:32):
in the Stanley Cup Final, Game three series, now to
one Florida after a six to one Florida win. Uh
Florida scored with a minute into the first period.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And never looked back in that one.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Earlier today Major League Baseball, the Reds beat the Guardian
seven to four, Pirates ten to three over the Marlins.
Phillies and Extras beat the Cubs four to three. Brandon
Marsh with a walk off. Rays beat the Red Sox
ten to eight and eleven innings. Red Sox had their
top prospect, Roman Anthony. He played right field tonight, was
(32:06):
had an RBI and a walk in a strikeout. Braves
beat the Brewers seven to one. Blue Jays and Extras
five to four over the Cardinals. Kirk Cousins is expected
to attend Mini camp in Atlanta, despite him wanting to
go to a team where he'll be able to start.
Falcons of named Michael Pennocks quarterback one there. The Packers
released cornerback Jay r Alexander, the Bengals letting go of
(32:28):
linebacker Germain Pratt. Nick Chubb, former Brown's running back, is
now a Houston Texan after passing his physical. He's on
a one year deal. Cavaliers guard Darius Garland will miss
the start of next season. He needs four to five
months to recover from toe surgery or remember that injury
kept him out of some playoff games. There and Caitlyn
Clark will miss her Fiztrad game against the Atlantic Dream
(32:50):
against her because of her quad strained fever.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Head coach Stephanie.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
White says the team will be extra cautious with Clark
in her return to action.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
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get off the air. Well, today was a huge day
(34:10):
in the NBA. We got Mark Stein coming up in
about a half hour. He had the story that after
there was talked the end of last week, today maybe
the Knicks and Jason Kidd might be a match. The
Knicks might want to talk to the Mavericks about getting
permission to talk to Jason Kidd to be their next
head coach. Today, the story has evolved that now both
(34:33):
sides there is quote mutual intrigue on the Knicks end,
Jason Kidd's behalf two potentially have him come in and
takeover for Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
This is happening.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
This is the day you're gonna look back and say,
this is when I knew the Nicks got their new
head coach, Jason Kidd will be the next head coach
of the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
This is the day you almost had this.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Because you don't get to a point where a guy
with a job says I'd like another job unless it's
going to happen, because this is the thing you don't do,
because yes, I get that.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Look, the Mavericks don't want to do any favors for.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
The Knicks after the Nicks stole Jalen Brunson from them,
and now here they are shopping in the Mavericks aisle again,
going we're gonna take one Jason Kidd as well.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
What's gonna be left is the.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Knicks haggling with the Mavericks for whatever the the the
compensation is going to be because Jason Kidd is contracted
with the Mavericks, got a new contract he signed last year.
But look, things change, right they traded Luca Dodgicch. Maybe
this is not the team that Jason kidds signed up
to coach, even though Cooper Flagg is coming. Hey, the
Knicks are ready to win. Jason Kidd's a really good coach,
(35:40):
gotten further than Tibbs, and so for him to say
I have intrigue. You can't go back to Dallas after this, right,
you know? Once you say hey, I'm into it's like
when when you're dating somebody and they go, hey, I'm
not saying we want to break up, but there's somebody
else I might be interested in. You're done, that relationship
is done.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I'm gonna go, yeah, well, Das, it's over. Whether you say,
oh no, no, I don't mean we should break up,
but there's somebody. No, it's over. It's over.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Now, you don't do this.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
This doesn't come out unless this is going to happen,
because it's very risky for both sides. Now, I'm sure
the Mavericks are gonna hold into whatever compensation they want,
not gonna say we want Karl Anthony Towns, but it's
going to be something where it's gonna they're gonna draw
it out and make the Knicks pay whatever they have to,
because clearly they've identified Jason kitt the first name that
came out that they'd be interested in is Jason Kittt.
(36:29):
That was the first name that came out. And now
there's mutual intrigue. Whi's like, come on, what the hell
is that? But mutual intrigue which sounds like a bad
movie on Cinemax late at night.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Mutual intriguing, Well, you know what I dig that I
might write, but this is this is how it goes
in situations like this.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
It's going to happen. It's just now they're haggling over
the final price and Jason Kidd'll be coaching the next
next season.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, just along the lines of my, uh, here's what
I'm envisioning. And then you wait and pause and see
how people reply. Okay, sure, did they laugh, did they
get disgusted? I mean, I don't know, but mutual into
an interest in this way for Jason Kidd. I'm disappointed
it comes to this fast. I'm gonna just say that.
I was really kind of hoping this would drag out
(37:12):
for a couple of weeks as we get ready for
the draft, But clearly there is some push to get
these things done.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Point guard for point guard.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
When we talk about Jason Kidd working with Jalen Brunson,
perhaps he thought they got rid.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Of the wrong guy a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I don't know, shoots him for Jason Kidd, maybe we're
working with and four Nico doesn't work for him, and
he did a good job of selling things after that
deal was made with the roster in place, never actually
got to really play with that roster. Kyrie Irving getting hurt,
Anthony Davis missing time, Klay Thompson ends up being the
(37:48):
last man standing who would have thunk it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
But all of that to say, yeah, you're in a
different world than you were when.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That contract extension was signed, and the trajectory of that
squad now again, they could be interesting next year, but
it really requires the basketball gods to smile upon them
with good health and fortune and for Cooper Flag to.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Come in and be that guy up right away.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
For the Knicks, it's on the plate right Whether Leon
Rose got it right or not, we don't know because
Tom Tibbeau didn't play those guys except sporadically towards the end.
And that remains the you know, thirty million dollar question
in terms of the money they sent him out with
because they're not going to let him answer it and
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pushing forward.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
But for Jason Kidd, the mutual interest. You can unring
that bell.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
No, So whoever's agent decided that that's what's going out,
it's done.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It's been reported.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Mark Stein had it first, and it's been corroborated and
doubled up upon in every municipality thereafter.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
And look before you think, well, the Mavericks are now.
Like I said, they don't want to do the Knicks.
Any fake Knicks just showed up and said, hey, with
taking your point guard. Now they're back again, Ay with
taking your coach. Wait a minute, save it's not gonna
do this to me. But remember there were people that
thought they overpaid for j right.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Run right right. Yeah, I don't want saying that anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But you can't have a coach coaching your team that
doesn't want to be there right now. That's no matter
how it breaks down. If Jason Kidd wants to go,
they have to find a way to make it up.
And they will and they'll make the Knicks pay. I
am sure because the Knicks feel like this is this
is the missing piece for us, whether it's getting KD
on the courtway, but this is a huge missing piece.
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They will make them pay, but it's good because you
can't have a guy coach who may not want to
be there.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Well, but it's like the last topic we're just talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
This is the team you put forward to broadcast your finals,
stick by them, stick by the product that you spent
millions of dollars to produce. Likewise, here it's the this
is you either going forward or not. And if you've decided,
it's like we talked about in Denver, right, they decided
Malone and Booth had to go see you all right,
Now we're into the playoffs, Let's see what we can
(39:57):
do for the Mavericks, for Jason Kidd. They decide, evidently
it's an untenable situation, so go figure it out, figure
out what that compensation is, and move forward and let
Cooper Flag decide who he wants as his head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Cooper, if I'm gonna throw some names out here, it's like,
what's that Jimmy Fallon bit when he shows pictures of
stars and people just say the first and it comes
in there.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh, I know?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Is if Wright suddenly comes out of the broadcast booth.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
For that one boy, tell you, man, I mean, I'm
telling you, today's a big day.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
The Knicks. The Knicks unofficially got Jason Kid today.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, I know, it's gonna be curious to see what
that level of compensation is. Right, We've been talking a
lot about what bad money spent and what you need
to pay out for the Knicks. They're already out the
thirty million on TIBs. What's another thirty.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Could I see?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Like, obviously the money's gonna be a thing, but could
I see a lesser player in a draft pick?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I could see that for Jason Kid. We want Kat
and I don't know. Okay, let's not be crazy. Okay,
let's not pick.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And also remember it's a different world than you were in, right,
the front office, guys, the ownership, Hell, the ownership's done different.
In Dallas, exit out about a Fresco exit Swollen Dome,
got a big story from the NFL coming up next
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We'll get to a big story out of the NBA
Finals coming up in a couple minutes. But boy, if
you like your your fights with a side of hockey
you are gonna enjoy Game three of the Stanley Cup Final.
The second multiple freakis fight breakout in the last twenty
minutes has just happened between the Panthers and the Oilers.
(01:25):
Panthers on the cusp of taking Game three five to one. Look,
we told you this last on Friday night. It's such
an incredibly emotional win for the Panthers on the road
when you can win in double overtime after the Oilers
tied it with seventeen seconds left, Like, I don't know
how you come back from this. Mentally, if you're Edmonton,
you got to go on the road. I'm expecting this
(01:45):
series to be three to one going back to Edmonton,
and well that's kind of we're seeing it so far.
With the Panthers up five to one, looking a lot
like the Knicks. I thought they'd respond better, but I
guess not. Nix you, but I tell you it happens
when when you get broken and the Oilers look like
they've been broken tonight by the Panthers. You knew it
wasn't gonna just be hey, we're gonna take this five
to one whipping and go quietly, No, no, no, because
(02:07):
when when you take the heart of your opponent, when
you drop the puck, sometimes a fight breaks out. Sometimes
two fights breakout, sometimes three fights bread sometimes four fights
break out at the same time when you rip their
hearts out, like Lloyd Christmas Fight Night and Dumb and
Dumber Frederick just frost check Punnet. Don't get stick about that.
(02:29):
It's gonna that is career and Nurse.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We're just gonna start seeing ten minutes Pastana's getting handed out.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Gaudovich and Nurse to the left of your screen, throwing punches.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Smitch helmet us come off. He's tackling with Connor brown.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Back if it's still going out of it, Nurse. These
guys are just throwing haymakers at each other and it's
not Nick Nurse. By the way, it's not not to
say Nick Nurse is not fighting. I had a rough
end of the year though, and no one is calling
for a nurse. Nor if I just beat up, they
might be. They were bleeding from their ears. He was
(03:14):
waiting for Seamus and Drew McIntyre to show up in this.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I mean, it was a full on fight night.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It was brutes making their way and trying to watch
across go, I'm watching this fight now.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
No, I'm watching. No, I'm watching this Fight't pan backs
far enough to get them all in screen. That looks
like it's the best fight. No, no, the one in
the bottom has been oh no no no.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The one of the top right is about no no no,
back to the bottom screen, like all this fay is missing.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
With somebody walking up to the bench and clawking McDavid
in the face.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I was kind of waiting for the slap shot where
like when the Hanson brothers, when the when the one
Hanson brother comes by with this thing, he goes everybody in.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The face, he goes through the whole bench.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, but this has hit a situation and Florida just
tacked down another So now it's six to one, three
minutes remaining. It's the situation. I mean, you coached softball soccer.
You've watched your share of youth sports to where a
game starts getting out of hands score wise, where you
know the chippy play is coming.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, it's like, can we get out of here in
one piece? Right?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
A hard slide tackle that doesn't make any sense coming
from behind, or you know, the big hit as as
the balls going out of bounds or a slide into
second base. That's what we're getting right now from Edmonton.
Like it's just all right, I got a guy near
the boards. I'm just gonna see him up, yeah and
see what happens, because they they need because and I
get it, because this is hot. This is how you
(04:31):
try to flip some momentum because they have none. They
have absolutely you lose that absolute heartbreaker in getting in
in game two, which is again in sports, Ye okay,
you use a heartbreak, you come back the next day. Yeah,
it does always work that way, especially in hockey. Right
at home and now you're you're going to where they're
they're putting up the towels with ratsom.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You always know, like I always know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You know what knowing a loss really hits home is
when you see after a game is over and the
team that wins is the road, like in overtime, and
they're celebrating and everybody's leaving the ice, and you know,
they're doing postgame and everything, and there's pockets of fans
just sitting in their seats because they're so stunned. Thousand
years I can't get up yet. I mean, that's my favorite.
(05:14):
That's what why is why I love hockey?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Like that? You say all the handshake line is the best?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
No, my favorite the fans you just and the and
there's no they're not look like they're getting up, like
you know, the guys there with his girlfriend neither look
like they want to get up, the guys there with
his buddies, or they're just sitting there and they have
that like you said that thousand yards stare. I'm not
ready to leave yet because I don't I'm not over
what I just saw, how we lost this game.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I'm not cready coming up and tapping them on the shoulder,
come on and moving to the exits like they're still
on the court or the ice.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I'm not moving.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, in the post game, you know, it's like a
half hour is gone, they still go back and do
the fans just sitting there?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Hey, yeah, we want to just to move things along here.
You know. I want to get home to my family too.
I got some.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Cold macaroni I'm gonna heat up in the microwave and
then I'm gonna try to watch a little bit of fallon.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So uh let me. I want to go. I want
to get going. I want to get going. I get it,
let me go.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You want to be the sweep for whatever giveaway to
see how many you can get through your eBay auctions.
But uh, come on, we gotta we gotta get.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
A moving But that really, I mean you hear overused
all the handshake at the end of the series, which
we handshake inut of this series might be interesting, but
I mean that that's my favorite one. I see that,
it's like, wow, like you understand you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Took the soul.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, like everybody else football, bet, everybody can't leave. I
can't leave fast enough. In hockey, it's like I can't
believe I need to sit here. I can't get up
and leave yet. And that's awesome. That's why I love.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
That that invested the hockey fan is the best alongside
the glass or a couple of rows up that has
put everything into this squad.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I watched it for years from the three hundred level
while I was trying to avoid getting bitten by rats.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You don't get yeah, or one of the fame now
the squirrel rats that they have in New York. Apparently
those things are fighting. Is this can we confirm this
is real?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Or is this? You know?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Ai c G.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I what do we got? Go rat?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The squirrel put his rat tail up over his head
because it's stay out of the rain.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Now, while we are waiting again to the game three
at the Stanley Cup Final is going to go to Florida.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's six to one with a minute left to go.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
We are waiting for Game three of the NBA Finals,
which will be on July seventh. And I got a
fun about July. Okay, maybe July sixty well to get
them to move it. Yeah, you want to see Paul
Simon on July. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
See it's a perfect song for this hockey. Sure.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But so we're waiting till Wednesday night for game three,
and I got I really have a fun thing on
waiting between NBA games coming up in a few minutes.
But uh, you think about what's going on so far.
The main criticism of the finals. Yes, you could criticize
the Thunder for blowing the lead in Game one, for
the Pacers and Halliburton not showing up they need to
(07:50):
in Game two, but virtually everybody is criticizing ESPN because
of the broadcast. No one is a fan of the broadcast.
And again I didn't really get to see the broad
you know, everything begun until this weekend because Game one
were on the air. But you see that people talking
about after going it doesn't feel like the NBA Finals.
It feels like it's a game in February. There's no
(08:13):
real decoration of the court. Well they super imposed, Yeah,
well right now, that's the whole thing, right, that's my point.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So it didn't feel like the five.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That was a big criticism after game, but didn't feel
like the Final, felt like a regular season game. The
booth is still trying to figure out who they are,
especially when here's your booth and the rumors, oh yeah,
Doris Burke might not be doing this anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Wait, everybody loved Doris Burke.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
No, no, So now someone who's doing this could be
a lame duck and could be out right, this is
this is bad, right. You don't want you don't want
your broadcast criticized. So what happens for Game two? But
ESPN we're gonna super impose a Larry O'Brien trophy on
the court to make it look that way. And that
got criticism and it's still getting criticism that the booth
is not great. It doesn't feel like the NBA Finals. Now,
there is part of it being it's Oklahoma City in Indiana.
(08:55):
It's not Lakers Nicks. It's not the Lakers in the heat,
it's not the the Celtics and Warriors, right, and so
I get that, but I understand the criticism of it.
But that's not But I'm gonna take this in a
different direction here, like why is this? Why is this
out there? Like why is ESPN getting criticized like this?
It's happening because ESPN, more than anybody else, listens to
(09:19):
all the outside noise when it comes to criticism of
them as a network or the on air product. They
listen way too much to what is said on social media,
what people say on television. It's like there's people's jobs
to say, Hey, they're saying this on social media. We
gotta get away from this, right, Like social media hated
Chris Berman every time we did. They hate what happened.
(09:40):
Chris Berman basically does nothing for ESPN anymore. Right, everybody
hated I don't like the Monday Night Football booth. I
don't like the booth. Ratings were fine everybody. I don't
like Steve Levy. I don't like Jason, what happened. We
gotta change the book. We gotta hire other guys. Now,
gotta spend a lot of money because nobody likes those guys.
They spend way too much time listening to what is
said on social media. And I'm not even getting in
the political sense of when one person says something about
(10:01):
one political party. I just mean as far as what
their content is. They are so reactionary to whatever people
say on social media. And okay, now, yah, so they
heard the response after Game one, Boy, it doesn't feel good.
The Larry O'Brian trophy is not there. So some executive
just said, let's super impose Lario brian trophy. So let's
listen to the people. Let's listen to the people on
Twitter who are saying, oh, it seems so small time
(10:23):
where people are not going to watch the finals because
of this, Like like you know what, have a spine
and do and do the best broadcast you can right
for if not every place is perfect? Right now, every
place is perfect and clearly you know, hey, Fox has
you know issues just like you know other places do.
But I will say this as far as when you know,
I know, when we do stuff for radio and TV.
Stuff gets out there, stuff is said, stuff is It
(10:44):
depends if it's sports wise. Now I'm saying it's staying
in the sports world. If the sports world stuff is controversial,
it's controversial and it's said and nobody you don't back
away from it. This is now you get away from
the sports world. That's a different story, right, I'm not
saying that stuff away from but you talk about sports
because that's sticking with this is the presentation of the finals.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
ESPN.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
They have always cared way too much about what people
think who have a dial in their hand when they're
there trying to you know, with focus groups for radio,
whether it's focus groups for television, they care so much
what these ten people in a room think, or they
care so much what five thousand people on Twitter are saying,
like it seems like it's all look at at the
(11:24):
biggest trending topic is ESPN's NBA Final. Well no, really,
only five thousand people are tweeting about that, but it
seems big because it's the what thing. More people are
tweeting about SGA or something else. But let's focus on that.
And that's always been ESPN's achilles he They listen way
too much. Right, I'll tell you this story. This is
my favorite story of ESPN is that they listen to
focus groups all the time. Right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They take the shows. They would take our shows playing
for folks with ten people.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
They have a dial in their hand and it would
be like they would say, Okay, when you hear something
you like, move it towards ten. And if you're hearing
something you don't like, move it towards one. Okay, right,
so if you have like a bad three seconds, like,
they would move the dial towards one and and and
the executives go, oh, they didn't like they didn't like
this conversation. They didn't like this. Oh, but here they
are direct to ten. It's like this is what they
would do.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So there was one time I remember I would meet
with my program director, like once a month. We go
over stuff and everything. And you know, the good thing
is my program director is kind of new, like okay,
let's just let's only get involved when we need to.
But when ESPN has a big dictum going forward, it's like,
we want to talk to people. So they say, okay, hey, uh,
here's the thing. You know, we found out people love
(12:28):
personal stories tell personal stories about stuff that you can
relate to. I was like, well that's my wheelhouse because
I love doing that. Okay, great, but the more personal
story stories you can tell, great, make sure you related
to what's going on, but tell personal stories. Okay, awesome, Right,
So that's what we did, not even six months later.
I want to say, this was like in like March,
but like going into football. We had a meeting and
they're like, yeah, hey, so we just did. Hey, let's
(12:51):
cut back on the personal stories. Wait what cut back
on the personal stories? You know that's not where we
want to go. We want to I go six months ago,
not even six but personal stories were great? You love
personal stories? Well, well I think they went back and
they did some demoing and they went through in the
personal story. I'm like, oh my god, you guys are insane.
You guys are absolutely insane. But this is how ESPN
(13:12):
did it, right, I mean, hear it fucked. No, No
one cares what I tweet. They don't sit here and
care what people tweet about the shows. If you're saying
if you say, oh I think this, I think that's
like yeah, okay, whatever. But they listen so much to
what's being said, and now you're seeing this knee jerk
reaction and no wonder there's all kinds of blanket criticism
of the finals because they can't just go and do
(13:32):
their thing. Oh no, no, we gotta listen to what we
gotta listen to what people are saying on social media.
So we're gonna change.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So they don't program a ESPN.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
It's twenty So congratulations the people on Twitter that don't
like the BRU. You got that change, you got you
now broadcast ESPN. You should get money from them.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, especially because you can actually single those people out
because it's an echo chamber of a very small window
of people on the larger Twitter landscape. So good for
them they were able to affect change in broadcasting. I
don't listen to it. I always have a second screen experience.
I was finishing my siple witch rewatch during the FI Okay,
(14:06):
it wass on one TV in the game on the
other way, Okay, the pacer I got the needle in
game one, got the needle the pacers one Game one
pacers weren't here in game two.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
No, Game two we watched. You had the experience, so
why would they get the needle? On one.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
No Game two we're talking about. But you said Game
one he was watching, he was watching NYPD blue end.
Game two. You said, who got the needle? The Pacers
got the needle?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, and I thunder got the needle in game one.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yes, yeah, I mean I know in the final point
for the final point, three second.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Frostburg said, having a tough time. Now, what is the
what of the Dodgers padres?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What is it? Nine to nine in the third inning?
Is that the score? Boy?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
If you bet the over, you're feeling pretty good about now.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Come in there like a Florida panther.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Ah exit out out of Fresco exit swallen down the
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Speaker 2 (15:01):
So you want to know why.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
ESPN has always cared way too much about what's being
said on social media. I mean you see it and
all their decisions they make over the last few years.
Coming up next, I get that that really crazy story
about days between games in the NBA Finals, plus the
new coach whose career Aaron Rodgers could end this year
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Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, now they're showing those sad guys still sitting in
the seats after that hockey game.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But that we'll get to.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We'll get to that fun NBA story coming up in
a second about the NBA Finals, but a little bit
more in the conversation we had a few minutes ago. Look,
the ESPN's getting all kinds of criticism for the airing
of the NBA Finals. How it doesn't look like an
important series. It looks like a series in February. They
don't have the Larry O'Brian trophy on the courts. They
try to superimpose people get upset. You have a booth
(17:30):
that nobody knows about their future, their present, and I
you know, and a few minutes ago, I said, hey,
you know, ESPN's always been knee jerk reaction to social
media and whatever's people say in social media is well,
we got to fix it because people don't like it. Right,
It's what it's what to push Chris Berman to the side.
It's what pushed out the Monday night football booth. I mean, look,
and I was there, I mean Isaiah, I saw it
(17:52):
for years, right, doing doing all night there, being there
on TV. I know how they just knee jerk to
stuff on social media when sometimes you have a backbone
and sorry, we're gonna build this and this is gonna
be our and this is gonna be how we build it.
But he had that that crazy decision, Oh, it doesn't
look like a big time so let's super impose Larry
O'Brien trophy on the court for game two.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's like, oh, that's gonna do it. That's gonna do it, right,
That's that's just stupid.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Why don't you just go and get the different courts
like you use during the tournament and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Let's do that. But look, a better.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Part of it is this, and and and this is
another really interesting part of this is that there's certain
networks that do sports better than others.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Right, and and you.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Watch Fox do football and Fox doing football doing the NFL.
You it's it doesn't matter. It's always always a big game, right.
And I give ESPN tons of credit because the sports
they do the best are baseball, rest in peace baseball
for them, baseball and college football and college basketball. Right,
those have always been the three best sports ESPN's ever done.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Big Mondays, Saturday, every game, field of production feels great.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It's certain sports, you know, certain networks do better than others.
But the big thing watching when you watch ESPN that
this is this is kind of another option of it
is that I feel like ESPN has no identity. Their
NBA broadcasts have no identity because it's it's pregame and
halftime of Steven A. Smith screaming about the Nixon, Halliburton
whatever it is. And then you go into a game
(19:23):
and then it's Mike Breen that everybody loves, right, But
then is Doris Burke, who I love doors but now
she's not gonna might might be a part of it
going forward? Right, how does that leak before the finals?
And Richard Jefferson, okay, you know they they you know,
Martin Wison and you were talking with this a few
minutes ago, like they kind of had something good going
with JJ Reddick. He was very polarizing. But JJ Reddick
obviously is now my buddy. JJ Reddick is now coaching
(19:44):
the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Top guy.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like, so they really as they don't have a voice, right,
Like I don't know what the identity of the ESPN
NBA broadcast is. And so yeah, when when you put it,
when you put a broadcast out this as well, we're
a little bit of this. We're a little bit of
screaming before the game and a halftime. We're a little
bit of of of putting together a broadcast that is
that is kind of it's nuts and bolts Sea a
(20:08):
little bit. But then now we're gonna bring in the
TNT guys next year because they're gonna add their flavor
to it. Like what's their identity? I don't know what
it is? And and we talk about this for NFL
for teams in sports all the time, Hey, what's your idental?
Like NFL teams, you gotta have an identity. Right, We're
gonna play great defense, We're gonna run the football right
we go, We're gonna put points on them, We're gonna
throw that We're gonna do this, you have to have
(20:28):
an identity. Usually you have to have an identities a franchise,
but but generally each season, this is the identity that
the coaches put forward, and teams with identities generally play better.
I feel like they just don't have it, Like they're
just kind of we're putting, we're throwing things up there
to see what sticks. And there's no cohesion.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It feels like you're watching three different shows when you're
watching ESPN and wh when when they broadcast and that,
and that's never good. Like you, you want to be
able to have some sort of of of symbiosis between
segments and and make the making the game big and
making sure big names are talking about it where you
want them talking about it.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And now they're gonna bring in the TNT guys who
are gonna come in and basically probably take over. Well
they very should coming. We're coming in because and because
they're like, hey, this is gonna be us. They want
to fight like this is a reflection on us when
we come in here. Now we want to be able
to do the same show because the last thing look
and you know, listen, guys, they want good things being
said about them. The last thing that that that that
(21:27):
EJ and Kenny and Shaq and Charles want coming in
is people go, oh, they're not the same They've been ESPN,
They've done this, They're not the same guy. So they're
come be saying blank you we're gonna do the show
we want to. So now if that's gonna be the identity,
where does the other Where do the other guys fit right?
Like Steve and A Smith is not suddenly going to
be on with these guys. They're not gonna be on
Pat McAfee, and they're not gonna like you go all
a sudden T and the tn T guys are coming
(21:49):
in combatively against everything. So it's gonna be such a
mess like and so the NBA ESPN, it's the broadcast
is just there's absolutely no cohesion on it. I don't
know what they're about. I don't know their identity. I
know what I'm watching TNT and I got I know
what I'm gonna get from the guys coming off of
this game. I know what I'm gonna get coming into
this game. And again, it's not just a it's all
(22:10):
ESPN across board. I know what I'm getting when I
watch him do a big college football game, right, I
know what I'm getting when I watch a big NFL
game on Fox.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I know what I'm getting here.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And it's just something that they have lost their voice
and an NBA has lost their way and you're seeing
it on display. Unfortunately in the finals that have two
smaller markets, so that's exacerbating it a little bit. Well,
but that's the thing, right, you talk about a very
what tumultuous year would be the kind way to describe
the relationship between the NBA and Adam silver Right doing
(22:40):
a lot of finger wagging when he does his rounds
on radio and television about how the game is covered
in two guys faces like, ah, you're too negative and okay,
well now you're adding to it because this is gonna
now go out and the blog is fhear of you
calling guys out publicly.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's not behind closed doors. We hear this may have
been a thing. No, you're putting it out and airing
your laundry front and center. You've got the TNT guys
getting ready to come in like they're the damn nWo. Right,
which guys Scott Hall, which guys Diesel, which guys the
Halkster and Eric Bischoff over there ringing his hands.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I mean, you got all that going on, so you
got the infighting there.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Meanwhile, like I said, you've got a whole year of
complaining about the coverage of the game. And then what
happens when you get a couple of teams like Oklahoma
City in Indiana it becomes a well, they're small markets.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
They don't have stars.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You've heard all the headlines, right, It's been dotted time
and time again. So but like we always joke, you
and I love us, hate us. The worst thing you
could be is indifferent. So folks are watching and they're mad.
Guess what they're watching. You might get some people drawn
in who are now gonna hate watch to see how
bad it really is. But everybody else has already decided
(24:03):
they're tuned out, right, they've already moved on to baseball,
or there's summer plans. So all of that to say,
it's a product that as you go into the finals,
you had a game plan.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Right, There's millions of dollars that get spent leading.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Up into this, right, ad buys and I mean we're
talking hundreds of millions of dollars being of commerce around
the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You didn't go in with any of this.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Just going, hey, you know what, guys, have a good show, right,
there's hours about hours of discussions and blueprints and game
plans and behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Right, you don't just walk on to behind the.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Table there before broadcasting a game. You know, Doris Burke
and Richard Jefferson their producers and Mike Breen.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You know what, we got to keep it fresh for air.
We haven't talked about any of this.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Nobody's given us any advanced stats. I want you guys
on the Google machine as we're in the product. No,
you got a team of how many people that are
putting this thing together. It's not haphazard, so to do
the breakneck responses to it doesn't look big enough. Hey,
if we superimpose the Larry O'Brien trophy, that's gonna do it?
(25:13):
What for game three? Is it gonna spin? Is it
gonna start glowing? I mean, like, what are we gonna do?
Are we gonna put the contrails on the shot from
three point range so it looks like you, hey, watch
the flow of the bad I mean, what else are
you gonna do. You're gonna superimpose, Hey what are they
out there? And they're actually up against the green screen
and now they are the there's no anime figures. That's
(25:37):
what we like, the animated versions. And it's just an
insane reaction. You have what you put in for this finals,
whether it works or not, just you got it a
whole off season to figure it out. But that's what
happens when you don't have a voice, you don't have
an identity, you wind up being knee jerk to what's
said on social media. Right, Sports Illustrated writes this big
(25:58):
article about what's wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'll we're gonna fix it. But like, let's put the
Larry O'Brien trophy super imposed it on TV?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Like wow, come on man.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
A critic decided, you know it's I mean, yeah, great,
you're programming ESPN. Congratulations, congratulations you've done that. Like this
is what it's a vicious cycles he gets paid. I
would alway.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I mean, we do a lot of stuff that gets
used by other shows.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I hadn't seen it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Extra jack, dude, I'm still waiting for my ring from
the RAMS for the Super Bowl from you know, getting
getting shot I gotta start going full with two letters
a week, Jason.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
And don't forget how Mike Breen had to explain to
the audience at the beginning why he didn't use the bang.
Oh yeah, because he got called out for it, Like
why are you didn't address it?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, like he he didn't on the Halliburton shot to
end game one, he just gave a bang.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We talked about it, like I'd like to give a bang.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Maybe maybe we did, because we talked about it that night, like, wow,
Mike Breen didn't give that a double bang or anything else.
He just gave it a bang, and then people talked
about it. So it's like Game water in the finals.
It should have been a triple right. So so he
says after I didn't give it a bank because I
save it for three pointers.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, fine, enough.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What happens when Halliburton hits his first shot of Game two,
he does it, He does a double bank, saying I
owed him one for that, Like dude, wow, man, Like
it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I feel like ESPN's like the.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Satire And here's the comedic character who just searches his
name on Twitter all the time to see what is
said about him and reality.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Oh, I can't believe this.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm doom scrolling and saying all these bad things about me,
like just go do your thing, have confidence and in
the thing and what you're doing and putting out and
just do it right.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But that this is what happened.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You could tell ESPN's not confident in their NBA product.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But it's brand management. You call yourself the leader.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah, you're following guys on Twitter as to what
they would like to see.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I would like to see that guy actually with a
long cape cape and I'd like to see Tony Brothers
wearing a cape in the top hat when he sends
SGA to the free throw.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Like, what do we do?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
We there's referee Tony Brothers in the cape and hat
looking very much like Hugh Jackman and as Pt Barnum
time out the thunder want to talk it over because
Zach Effron is now on the court and they are
now going back and forth trying to figure out who
owes what money. This goes way back to the Greatest Showman.
(28:20):
A sensational move by Zach Effron jumping on the scorers table.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
He carefully he might get his head head head in
the game and hit a jump shot on you too.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now, so again again, when you don't have a voice,
that's what happens. Now.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mentioned this right because now we were waiting three
days for the NBA pier.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Right, now, here's long gestation process before?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Because I forgot, I said, which was the NBA Finals
that I couldn't think about? Which was had the longest
time between games? I said, it was one like in
the seventies, and it was.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I looked it up. It was seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It was the Bullets and the Sonics when they played,
and it took eighteen days to play seven games. Eighteen days.
They started on May twenty five. I'm sorry, they started
on May twenty first, Right, they started on May twenty first.
They finished on June seventh. Okay, they played on May
(29:11):
twenty first, three days off between game one and game two.
So twenty first, twenty fifth, twenty eighth, the thirtieth, the second,
the fourth, and the.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Seventh did they run into a bunch of concerts or
the circus? Yet?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, I'm funny you say that because this is my
favorite part of this story. Right, So eighteen days and
I love that though every every article about this says,
you know, rumors that the NBA did this for television,
like really in seventy eight and then for television.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Okay, fine, hey man, this tape delay games.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But going over the attendance of the series, you see
like attendance Game one nineteen thousand, Game two eighteen, whatever,
Game three nineteen, game game four thirty nine thousand, like
thirty nine thousand. So I went look, they played the
first two games at Seattle, played at home in the
Seattle Coliseum.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
They played Game four in the Kingdome. How about that?
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I'm like, oh my god, Like, how do you have
thirty nine thousand people on this?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Ok? No, they played They can't dive out an aircraft carrier.
I mean, come on, that's what it is. Right now.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Hey, we're playing you know, we're playing you know, the
Indiana pace out.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
We're gonna play. We're gonna say, Caitlyn Clark before Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We're gonna work, We're gonna we're gonna play the culture.
Letting us play Game five of the NBA Finals. I'm
feeling pretty good about moving to a bigger man.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I mean really, I mean, that's that's insane. I love it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I mean, eighteen days to play seven games. But in
the middle we're gonna have one game in the kingdon
I dig that exit out Valta Fresca Exit Swollen Dome.
Jason Smith Mike Harmon Live from the Fox Sports Radio studios,
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of Sportsman. Man who bet the over on number of
runs for the Padres and the Dodgers, He's feeling pretty
(30:48):
good right now.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
It's Martin Weiss.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yeah, I would be six to six right now in
the sixth inning with the dog.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Oh, man, can't say six sick? Come on, man, six
six six? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
You canna open up the portal between heaven and it's
gonna be like cabin in the woods.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Who listens after the last time I did this. I'm
just making sure those sixes are actually six.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Very good, very good.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I had to double check eight. Just No, six to
six for sure. In the sixth inning, No eight's anywhere
between the Dodgers and the Padres. With the Dodgers up
to bat right now, the Diamondbacks lead the Mariners two
to nothing. In the seventh inning, the Angels lead the
A's four to two in the eighth inning. Earlier today,
(31:32):
in the Stanley Cup Final, Game three series, now to
one Florida after a six to one Florida win. Uh
Florida scored with a minute into the first period.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And never looked back in that one.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Earlier today Major League Baseball, the Reds beat the Guardian
seven to four, Pirates ten to three over the Marlins.
Phillies and Extras beat the Cubs four to three. Brandon
Marsh with a walk off. Rays beat the Red Sox
ten to eight and eleven innings. Red Sox had their
top prospect, Roman Anthony. He played right field tonight, was
(32:06):
had an RBI and a walk in a strikeout. Braves
beat the Brewers seven to one. Blue Jays and Extras
five to four over the Cardinals. Kirk Cousins is expected
to attend Mini camp in Atlanta, despite him wanting to
go to a team where he'll be able to start.
Falcons of named Michael Pennocks quarterback one there. The Packers
released cornerback Jay r Alexander, the Bengals letting go of
(32:28):
linebacker Germain Pratt. Nick Chubb, former Brown's running back, is
now a Houston Texan after passing his physical. He's on
a one year deal. Cavaliers guard Darius Garland will miss
the start of next season. He needs four to five
months to recover from toe surgery or remember that injury
kept him out of some playoff games. There and Caitlyn
Clark will miss her Fiztrad game against the Atlantic Dream
(32:50):
against her because of her quad strained fever.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Head coach Stephanie.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
White says the team will be extra cautious with Clark
in her return to action.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
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get off the air. Well, today was a huge day
(34:10):
in the NBA. We got Mark Stein coming up in
about a half hour. He had the story that after
there was talked the end of last week, today maybe
the Knicks and Jason Kidd might be a match. The
Knicks might want to talk to the Mavericks about getting
permission to talk to Jason Kidd to be their next
head coach. Today, the story has evolved that now both
(34:33):
sides there is quote mutual intrigue on the Knicks end,
Jason Kidd's behalf two potentially have him come in and
takeover for Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
This is happening.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
This is the day you're gonna look back and say,
this is when I knew the Nicks got their new
head coach, Jason Kidd will be the next head coach
of the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
This is the day you almost had this.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Because you don't get to a point where a guy
with a job says I'd like another job unless it's
going to happen, because this is the thing you don't do,
because yes, I get that.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Look, the Mavericks don't want to do any favors for.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
The Knicks after the Nicks stole Jalen Brunson from them,
and now here they are shopping in the Mavericks aisle again,
going we're gonna take one Jason Kidd as well.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
What's gonna be left is the.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Knicks haggling with the Mavericks for whatever the the the
compensation is going to be because Jason Kidd is contracted
with the Mavericks, got a new contract he signed last year.
But look, things change, right they traded Luca Dodgicch. Maybe
this is not the team that Jason kidds signed up
to coach, even though Cooper Flagg is coming. Hey, the
Knicks are ready to win. Jason Kidd's a really good coach,
(35:40):
gotten further than Tibbs, and so for him to say
I have intrigue. You can't go back to Dallas after this, right,
you know? Once you say hey, I'm into it's like
when when you're dating somebody and they go, hey, I'm
not saying we want to break up, but there's somebody
else I might be interested in. You're done, that relationship
is done.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I'm gonna go, yeah, well, Das, it's over. Whether you say,
oh no, no, I don't mean we should break up,
but there's somebody. No, it's over. It's over.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Now, you don't do this.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
This doesn't come out unless this is going to happen,
because it's very risky for both sides. Now, I'm sure
the Mavericks are gonna hold into whatever compensation they want,
not gonna say we want Karl Anthony Towns, but it's
going to be something where it's gonna they're gonna draw
it out and make the Knicks pay whatever they have to,
because clearly they've identified Jason kitt the first name that
came out that they'd be interested in is Jason Kittt.
(36:29):
That was the first name that came out. And now
there's mutual intrigue. Whi's like, come on, what the hell
is that? But mutual intrigue which sounds like a bad
movie on Cinemax late at night.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Mutual intriguing, Well, you know what I dig that I
might write, but this is this is how it goes
in situations like this.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
It's going to happen. It's just now they're haggling over
the final price and Jason Kidd'll be coaching the next
next season.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, just along the lines of my, uh, here's what
I'm envisioning. And then you wait and pause and see
how people reply. Okay, sure, did they laugh, did they
get disgusted? I mean, I don't know, but mutual into
an interest in this way for Jason Kidd. I'm disappointed
it comes to this fast. I'm gonna just say that.
I was really kind of hoping this would drag out
(37:12):
for a couple of weeks as we get ready for
the draft, But clearly there is some push to get
these things done.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Point guard for point guard.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
When we talk about Jason Kidd working with Jalen Brunson,
perhaps he thought they got rid.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Of the wrong guy a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I don't know, shoots him for Jason Kidd, maybe we're
working with and four Nico doesn't work for him, and
he did a good job of selling things after that
deal was made with the roster in place, never actually
got to really play with that roster. Kyrie Irving getting hurt,
Anthony Davis missing time, Klay Thompson ends up being the
(37:48):
last man standing who would have thunk it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
But all of that to say, yeah, you're in a
different world than you were when.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That contract extension was signed, and the trajectory of that
squad now again, they could be interesting next year, but
it really requires the basketball gods to smile upon them
with good health and fortune and for Cooper Flag to.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Come in and be that guy up right away.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
For the Knicks, it's on the plate right Whether Leon
Rose got it right or not, we don't know because
Tom Tibbeau didn't play those guys except sporadically towards the end.
And that remains the you know, thirty million dollar question
in terms of the money they sent him out with
because they're not going to let him answer it and
(38:33):
pushing forward.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
But for Jason Kidd, the mutual interest. You can unring
that bell.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
No, So whoever's agent decided that that's what's going out,
it's done.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It's been reported.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Mark Stein had it first, and it's been corroborated and
doubled up upon in every municipality thereafter.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
And look before you think, well, the Mavericks are now.
Like I said, they don't want to do the Knicks.
Any fake Knicks just showed up and said, hey, with
taking your point guard. Now they're back again, Ay with
taking your coach. Wait a minute, save it's not gonna
do this to me. But remember there were people that
thought they overpaid for j right.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Run right right. Yeah, I don't want saying that anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But you can't have a coach coaching your team that
doesn't want to be there right now. That's no matter
how it breaks down. If Jason Kidd wants to go,
they have to find a way to make it up.
And they will and they'll make the Knicks pay. I
am sure because the Knicks feel like this is this
is the missing piece for us, whether it's getting KD
on the courtway, but this is a huge missing piece.
(39:28):
They will make them pay, but it's good because you
can't have a guy coach who may not want to
be there.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Well, but it's like the last topic we're just talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
This is the team you put forward to broadcast your finals,
stick by them, stick by the product that you spent
millions of dollars to produce. Likewise, here it's the this
is you either going forward or not. And if you've decided,
it's like we talked about in Denver, right, they decided
Malone and Booth had to go see you all right,
Now we're into the playoffs, Let's see what we can
(39:57):
do for the Mavericks, for Jason Kidd. They decide, evidently
it's an untenable situation, so go figure it out, figure
out what that compensation is, and move forward and let
Cooper Flag decide who he wants as his head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Cooper, if I'm gonna throw some names out here, it's like,
what's that Jimmy Fallon bit when he shows pictures of
stars and people just say the first and it comes
in there.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh, I know?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Is if Wright suddenly comes out of the broadcast booth.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
For that one boy, tell you, man, I mean, I'm
telling you, today's a big day.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
The Knicks. The Knicks unofficially got Jason Kid today.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, I know, it's gonna be curious to see what
that level of compensation is. Right, We've been talking a
lot about what bad money spent and what you need
to pay out for the Knicks. They're already out the
thirty million on TIBs. What's another thirty.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Could I see?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Like, obviously the money's gonna be a thing, but could
I see a lesser player in a draft pick?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I could see that for Jason Kid. We want Kat
and I don't know. Okay, let's not be crazy. Okay,
let's not pick.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And also remember it's a different world than you were in, right,
the front office, guys, the ownership, Hell, the ownership's done different.
In Dallas, exit out about a Fresco exit Swollen Dome,
got a big story from the NFL coming up next
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