December 4, 2024 • 32 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open the show revisiting their discussion on how many NFL teams could feasibly win the Super Bowl this year. Did the Week 13 slate of games add or subtract any contenders? Later, the guys get into the 49ers' nightmare season, discussing how Christian McCaffrey and Jordan Mason being sent to IR figures to affect the offense and team overall going forward. Plus, is Justin Tucker officially washed?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Welcome in.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It is I Want Your BLESI is Mike Harmen, I'm
Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is our executive producer. And we
dive into this episode kind of revisiting a topic that
we had in a previous episode recently.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Where we were talking about Super.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Bowl contenders, and it's going to kind of be the
jumping off point for some of the topics we want
to get into on this podcast, not only the super
Bowl contenders, but the complete other end of the spectrum
as well. Who's going to be tanking, who's gonna want
to be maybe not performing as well later on in
the season, and how you can use some of those
situations to your advantage.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But Michael'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I think you had five teams in your teams that
you believe could win a Super Bowl? Has anything changed
to make you add a team or take a team
off from your original five.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I still have my reservations. I guess maybe a little
bit more on Baltimore, Right, I don't trust the defense.
Now you've got the kicking position long four to five,
long established, and you know the heroism and history. Hell
they're in. You know, normally in trading card sets, Dan,
and you've gone into this world Ian you're well aware
(01:43):
of this as well. It's like you normally don't get
deep and down enough to where you're finding offensive linemen
and kickers. Right, you might have them in their initial
rookie year because it's a bigger set, and it's like, ah,
and you know this guy's getting drafted on a Notre
Dame USC whatever, so we could put them in kickers
don't normally do that as veterans. It was Adam Vinitieri
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and Justin Tucker. Justin Tucker's now hit that what do
we do here? And he's probably cost Lamar Jackson the
MVP with five losses at this point, right, because it's
wins losses and we could talk about Jackson's individual stats,
But in the end, the m v P you gotta
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you gotta get over right, It's the the the Ravens
defense plus that and what happens with the kicking game
is really concerning for me right now. Right the Bills
uh big win over San Francisco, so was still on
board there. I guess maybe I can extend the bubble
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and really in maybe disappearing inc because I might feel
very differently in this coming week. But does Pittsburgh suddenly
enter the bubble a little bit? That's that's the thing
for me, Like you know, with with Los Angeles, with
the Chargers, I kept wanting to push them into the
where we were, and it's like, I don't trust the
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offense can give me enough juice week after week. I
don't think they can do that multiple times. Plus you
lose JK. Dobbins, your leading Russier go there, So I
can't add them into the fray saying Kansas City is
still going to be there. So yeah, I think maybe
I add Pittsburgh and put them on level where Baltimore is.
But I don't really have great confidence in either of
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them right now.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I had six of the five, you know, Mike ad Chiefs, Bills,
Ravens lines, and Eagles. I also had Green Bay in
that mix, and I'm still with that and I'm still
not willing to add the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I will stay with my six.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I totally get your Ravens question or you know, you're
you questioning the Ravens and wondering about Pittsburgh depending on
how this bracket shapes up. And because of the late
buy that we've got, the Ravens are on buy in
week fourteen, so they've they've already played thirteen games. You
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have the Chargers still a game up on them in
the loss column. So even though the Ravens won that
head to head, because of the loss that the Ravens
had to the Eagles, it dropped them back. So now
the Chargers are sitting there in that five spot, and
if I know, they've got a tough game against Kansas
City coming up, you know, in week fourteen on Sunday night.
So that's a tall task. But at least as of
right now, Chargers would be the five seed in the
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AFC and you'd have a Steelers Ravens wild card game
in that three to six matchup, So that would be
that would be quite the affair in Pittsburgh and Mike,
to your point, if I'm picking that game, I don't
know how I could pick against Pittsburgh in that contest,
considering the woes that that Baltimore's had. I don't think
that they're going to move on from Justin Tucker. I
don't think you can, to be honest with you, I
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think it's I think it's crazy talk to think that
you're just going to go pick up a free agent
kicker somewhere and he's going to be the savior that
you need. I think there'd be even more pressure on it.
And honestly, it's instead of just having that and make
it such a such a cold hearted business by if
you were to move on from him, Miles, just ride
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it out. And if he doesn't make kicks, he doesn't
make kicks, but made a lot of kicks for you
in the off season or you know, in the previous season.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So do this move in the off season.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I don't think they have any any room whatsoever to
replace Justin Tucker as their kicker.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They're just gonna have to live.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
With it two weeks to figure it out. The big
thing is, historically he was pretty nails from deep distance,
and in a year where the league has gone that way,
he's totally regressed in that regard really quick. Before we
get to ian C and if he added any extra
teams because he had a really small bubble he did.
Little bubble is you know your Green Bay point. They're
(05:47):
curious to me, right, Remember we were riding them ian
You had him as a you know you you're streaming
d a couple of times and hit pretty big on them.
The turnovers that weren't there in years past have been
a little more plumy. My only fear, and I guess
we'll put them on the tan where I've got on
the AFC side, that Baltimore Pittsburgh line. Dan to add
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the Green Bay to the mix, because you've seen the
best of Jordan Love at times. I still fear he
turns the ball over too much, and that's the reticence there.
But what's curious is with Detroit in division, and I'm
with you, Minnesota still scares me for some reason. Even
though Sam Darnold won them games, right, he's been the
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guy to take care of the business down the stretch. Defensively,
Detroit's got a bunch of injuries. We were talking about
this a little bit in studio on Sunday, you and
I as we were chatting it up ahead of your
show on Red Zone Radio and the games kicking off
is that they have had some attrition in that front
seven and trying to navigate that along the way, wondering
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if that doesn't lead you to a game or two
that you lose. Look, they should have lost Chicago as
poorly as the Bears had played in that first half.
The game was there for the taking and they let
them off the hook. See I'm stealing from Dennis Green now,
But all of a sudden, that makes it Philadelphia's maybe
thrust towards towards a home field advantage, cetera. And look
(07:19):
we've got I don't think any reticence there except when
it comes into the final minutes of a game and
a Sirianni situation has to happen. But I'll add Green
Bay to the board to match you.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, I think that. I think we'll find out. Obviously,
we'll find out soon. This week on Halligit. Green Bays
is there at Detroit for the Thursday Night Affair to
start week fourteen. And by the way, you know the
Lions have arrived, and Green Bay we'd know has arrived.
But this traditionally was usually the Cowboys window. A lot
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of times the Cowboys play on Thanksgiving and then they'd
get the next Thursday primetime game. They'd played the same
a lot. I think if you would look back in history,
they would like face New Orleans. They did it at
least a couple of times. But Packer's Lions being in
this prime time slot on Thursday, getting that more normal
week from the Thanksgiving day game.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But we'll find out on how logit green Bay is.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And they have a trip to Minnesota to play to
try to get some revenge on Minnesota, so they'll have
an opportunity to do that coming up, I believe in
week seventeen of the season.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So there is some room for Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Ian Roddy, have you expanded from your list of two
that featured the Eagles and Lions?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Are you still at two?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I haven't expanded it yet, but I will say that
the Bills are trending that way. Like man, they look great,
But the fact that it was a snow game means,
you know, let's I guess just want to see the
same thing again in you know, regular settings and stuff,
because I guess I would say that the Bill sort
of have a slight advantage in the snow just because
it's you know, they're used to playing in that kind
of game every year. But started to digress a little bit.
(09:05):
The Lions and Eagles are still the two teams that
I can really only realistically see when in the Super Bowl.
That Eagles defense is so good, Like I was watching
it this weekend, and it doesn't make sense because they
didn't change that much from last year. Last year the
defense was a legitimate weakness and the biggest thing that
they changed was they added two rookie corners. So it's
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it's just like crazy to see that those guys have
exploded the way that they have Dejeene and Quinion Mitchell.
But the Eagles that defense, and they're led by young
guys too. That's part of it too, is the fact
that they're only ascending, they're only getting better. It's not
like you have to worry about veterans hitting that wall. Well,
the one guy that was the veteran ripped his arm
and that was the end of him, right, Well, yeah,
(09:50):
that was actually really sad. Yeah, yeah, but that I
also did want to say something about Justin Tucker too,
is I feel like with the raven I was viewing
them as a team that was kind of on the
rise and could maybe win a Super Bowl. But I
just think that that defense is too much of an issue.
And then Justin Tucker as well, like you guys were
talking about, if you picture the Ravens in the AFC
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Championship and there's a situation where you need Justin Tucker
to hit a go ahead field goal to win the
game and go to the super Bowl, I wouldn't feel
good about that at all. This is this has been
a down year, Like, not not only a down year,
it's he's getting to that age too, where I feel
like we like to trick ourselves into thinking, you know, like, oh,
you know, thirty two they start to slow down. Thirty
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three they're a little worse. Thirty four, they're a little worse.
Thirty five they're bad. It's like, no, when father time
hits you, he hits you. And I think Tucker has
hit that point, like he's you're good, you're good, You're good,
You're bad. And I hate to say it, but I
think Tucker's at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Well I'll make this point with Tucker. It's funny because
we've had kickers kick well into their forties many times
in the National Football League. I mean, Harry played forever,
John Carney played forever. A lot of these guys played
for a long time. Tucker's thirty five years old. But
Tucker is this new breed of kicker, and maybe he's
(11:11):
one of the guys that ushered it in where maybe
you're not doing that. So maybe justin Tucker in the
offseason needs to kind of be like, all right, I
can't be robo kicker anymore because he would hit his
I use golf analogies a lot guys. His ball moved
a lot, you know, like when you're when you're off
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the I.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Mean it's throwing curve balls out there.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, Like you know, he would have a lot of
action on it, and maybe there's a little something that
they're going to have to adjust to. I would send
on the network earlier this week that I thought that
Baltimore's going to have situations where they would normally just
trot out Tucker for a fifty three yard field goal.
Now they're going to have to think about should we
go for it here on fourth and four.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You know, like those decisions may have been easy because
he was such a weapon in the past.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Now you're going to maybe have to make more of
those decisions on all, right, do we go for it
instead of just settling for a field goal?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Here?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
He did make a forty seven and fifty three arder
against Philadelphia, but misses the extra point you know in
that Actually I think he missed the forty seven and
fifty three. Take that back, I think he made a
fifty yarder. But the point being is there is still
some of that. But yeah, you guys are right. The
numbers show it. His accuracy from range is not there
four of nine and fifty yard field goals this year,
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So I think the Ravens are going to end up
having to modify at least how they play because he's
no longer an advantage for them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Before we end his discussion, the you know bit of
trivia here, four hundred and sixty five career field goal attempts.
Where do you think that ranks all time in the
National Football League?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Hmmm, four hundred and sixty five. I am going to say,
okay again, because I think I kicked for a long time.
I'll say twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
How about that.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Oh, I'm gonna guess lower. I'm gonna say it's like ninth.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He is twenty third, oh Adam Adam Vinitary seven hundred
and fifteen career field goal attempts, followed by Morton Anderson,
Gary Anderson, George Blanda and Jason Hanson Hanson with six
oh one, a full one hundred and fourteen less than
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Vinitary in his career. And then you start getting into
Sebastian Janikowski, who was super tow Remember we used to
laugh about it all the time. Dan of Hey, they
crossed midfield. Get him out there kicking on the infield dirt.
Go see what you can do. Jason Elam, Phil Dawson,
Robbie Gold like all these legends are well Ahad with
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the lu Groza, but David Akers and even Nick Folk
has an extra thirteen over him just you know, one
of those I should say eleven I had of him.
But just the point being that even though you know
for you and I and I think Ian you know
your youth notwithstanding I mean you you watch Justin Tucker
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and it's like becomes anonymous. He's gonna come and he's
going to save the day. You would think even with
all that longevity. Yeah, they play defense, kickfield goals not
nearly as much as you thought they did.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No, but it's still some years. You know.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
If he had just, I just he's just not gonna
be that robokicker Vinitary wasn't, you know. But he'd at
least get it through the uprights. You knew he could.
But again, it's a different NFL, as we talked about
with Cairo Santos. Right, Oh yeah, different NFL. Now you
gotta have you gotta be able to make those fifty yarders, Darren,
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you and have a chance to to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Shit, he is Mike Rmen, I'm Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
That's Ian Roddy, Mike willing to budge Ian sort of wavering,
willing to maybe add the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Not quite yet, but they're they're trending now.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Well, yes, you're still stuck at two, Mike still steaks,
sticking at five, with maybe Green Bay trying to peek in.
None of us are removing the Chiefs yet, although maybe
we had every right to against the Raiders, but they're
all still firmly in our numbers, all right, the team,
the Chiefs beating the Super Bowl last year. They're having
some troubles this year. The San Francisco forty nine ers.
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What is life now going to be like without CMC?
Probably not like it was the first half of the year.
We'll discuss that next year and I Want Your Flex.
The San Francisco forty nine Ers were not a team
that we included in our could possibly win a Super Bowl.
I'm not sure if they'd be in our group of
teams we think are going to make the playoffs right now,
(15:57):
because it's sure Luke's leak four San Francisco. Oh, he
is Mike Carmen and I'm Dan byer Ian Roddy is
the executive producer of I Want Your Flex, but Mike
the Life of the forty nine Ers. I think it's
different this time without Christian McCaffrey, and for obvious the
reasons with Jordan Mason as well, But it's just such
a different feel. There seemed to be hope with the
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forty nine ers for the first half of the year,
like once we get him back, we should be good.
And now you're sitting there with an eight percent chance
of making the playoffs, you're at five and seven. I
don't know if this version of the San Francisco forty
nine Ers is going to provide a lot of good
moments for Anie nine ers fans or maybe even fantasy
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players down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, fantasy wise difficult, right when you also, we've seen
so much chirping across locker rooms and then the unnamed
source stuff right about you know, hey, Miami and soft
and all that stuff with McDaniel, and that's pervasive in
the locker room. But George Kittle talking about his life
of targets pretty dismissive of everything going on. Offensively, the
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fact that you needed him to be a blocker because
the run game was effective until those guys got hurt. Right, So,
I mean McCaffrey had ripped off a couple of big runs,
Jordan Mason doing a lot of what we'd seen earlier
this year five point two of Carrey in his work
this season before heading to IR. So, you know, Kittle
being a blocker, that's what we saw. But you know,
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when you break it all down for fantasy purposes, only
fifty catches on the year, eight of them for touchdowns.
But you know, Deebo Samuel thirty eight catches touchdown trying
to use him as a as an army knife isn't working. Obviously,
I got hurt a while back, Purty coming back off
the injury. All of that to say, you've got a squad.
(17:49):
I don't know that I really trust your kicker's going
back to the kicker conversation we were just having. He
struggled after a good start to the season. Now you
can't trust him. So it's changing some of your play
calling and aggressiveness in Shanahan having to change things up now.
I don't have a whole lot of faith here. If
you look at the you know, as we go back
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to our lovely tankathon world, they're in the middle of
the pack. You've got games left against Detroit, Arizona and
the Rams. You do have a Week fourteen date against
the Bears defense played really good for a second half
and they can get after you, so no picnic. And
then you still have another date against the Dolphins, who
before Week thirteen they were the best fantasy defense against quarterbacks.
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So yeah, it's it's slim pickings. And you know, Operation Shutdown.
They're boarding things up in San Francisco and not just
in Union Square.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I think that I think also nice line there, Thank
you The fact is is that the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Ers are better off probably tanking than trying to make
this playoff.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You know, like when you think of when you think
of where they are, there comes a point where.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
This season it's just it's it's a loss.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
And for them, they're not competing with Detroit right now,
they're not competing with Philadelphia. They're competing with Seattle, Arizona
and the Rams to just get into the playoffs because
that's likely their only hope. The wild card I still
think will be difficult with Washington sitting there in that
in that seventh spot right now, their only hope is
I think, really to win the division and hope there's
(19:30):
some carnage within, but again an eight percent chance of
making the playoffs. The toughest part though about them giving
up on the season is you're giving up on the window.
But you probably have to do that, Like it's this
is it, this is this is over. You're gonna need
a new like refresh, some vision, something to change things,
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and it should probably start now. So there's gonna be
this battle of do you really really want to close
it because this was supposed to be your year, or
do you start over, and I think the best move
is probably to start over. Figure out what you've got
this rest of the way. I'm not saying the lose games,
but the higher they are on the draft board, the
better it's going to be. You have an opportunity to
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actually secure a last place schedule because the Rams, Cardinals
and Seahawks are going to be fighting it out for
the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That could help you in ways next year. There are
a lot more.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Reasons in my mind for the forty nine ers to
lose than to win games that could help. That could
also be in effect in their fantasy ways down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But even if we are.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Talking fantasy, Mike, I'm not sure if there's a lot
of value with San Francisco that I'd want to load
up on right now.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You're looking at the reset for a lot of this Dan,
right you got contracts that need to be parsed out, obviously,
you know, all thoughts prayers to Trent Williams and his
wife and family and everybody surrounding them. Difficult emotional moment,
but he's a guy that you know, he came back
the year. Is he going to be part of your
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offensive line going forward. You know, obviously a lot of
a lot of time and decision making there, but that
was the one component part of your offensive line that
made everybody else adequate for a chunk of the year.
And now if he were to be gone or you know,
you lose some of these weapons, right, you got to
make a choice on debo or you know, looking at
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what you're doing with brock Purdy going forward. You know,
in some of these crazy bizarre worlds, folks are imagining
a world without Shanahan. Well, he didn't get there, so
he should be gone. Kind of scenarios like, okay, maybe
there's you know something to hey, we gave it a
good run and now you need a new direction, a
new voice. I don't know that I agree with that
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because it becomes the who are you getting? That's better conversation.
But all of that to say, you know, in division,
like what are you playing for at this point? Right?
Everybody obviously the players putting tape out, but as a team,
as you laid it out, the last place schedule, the
better draft pick, all of that thinking, all right, if
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we scratch into the playoffs, can we legitimately win? Right?
We're not hanging a banner just for being a wild
card team or winning a division you know at eight
to nine or nine and eight and then going and
getting housed in the first round. That doesn't serve any
longer purpose in or does it serve anything short term
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other than hey, we can add another line of we
made the playoffs again in our season ticket brochures.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, and who cares things about that? Ye?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right right now, that's not what you're playing for.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yep, exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
The aspirations were another date in late January into February
in New Orleans, and you know that's been torn us
under for a million reasons. Now it's trying to figure
out what you got left, what the next iteration of
Christian McCaffrey is, Pierce all and whatever else comes.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You know, there sure seems to be a fight for
the for the number one overall pick three teams right
now with two wins Jacksonville, the Raiders, and the Giants.
So when we look at the other side of this,
where you know, I do think that the forty nine
ers should start to tank, and you look at how
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their season is going. There are teams that are gonna tank.
Who do you thinks throwing in the towel. Is there
places where we can look at fantasy value. Maybe on
the flip side, players are being looked at as possible,
you know, pushes for the next year. We always remember
Arion Foster from years back at that solid four game
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stretch for the Texans and then took off the next season.
But where are you with the teams on the bottom
half of these NFL standings, the two wins squads, the
three win squads, the four win squads and so forth.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, it's the curiosity, right. We talked a little bit
in the in Monday's podcast, or I should say Tuesdays
about the you know Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence, you know, obliquely,
so Mac Jones against a pretty bad schedule down the
stretch maybe, And again it's the whole what's the reading
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the tea leaves of future quarterback plays? So he's got
something to play for. But I think we all agreed
Doug Peterson is probably getting fired, So you've got conflicting
hopes there, right to Balky probably should be out the
door as well. That's a whole other thing. He did
resign the left tackle, so yay. But you know, you're
looking at what they're doing. The Giant's clearly tanking. I
(24:37):
can't trust that Malik Neighbors has even seen enough footballs
at this point. Yeah right, you know, and he's complained
about it, but there's a larger thing at play. It's like,
you know how good he is, but you know, winning
doesn't help the process there, and you'll have a new
coaching staff or whatever else. We talked a little bit
about the Patriots and Rod Mayo. Drake May's put on
(24:59):
some pretty good tape. Think down the stretch, he's still fighting,
and it seems like the players want to fight for Mayo,
even if even if it's a mess and he him
handedly is doing some things, saying some things. I think
there's still some fight there. So you know, perhaps one
of those teams, you know, the antithesis of what you
would expect from a three win team at this point.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I think, you know, a team like Tennessee that we've
seen have a little fight but still not have success
in the win column.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There are three wins.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I think Carolina you can find some fantasy value showing
the way that Bryce Young has played. We talked a
bit about him. I mean that Adam Thieling likes great
against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now you have a backfield
where Chuba Hubbard at a costly fumble for them that
would have sealed the deal for them in overtime to
get the game winning kick. But you have Jonathan Brooks
(25:53):
there that everybody's been waiting.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
On, waiting on him for a long time.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So like there's value maybe in Jonathan Brooks.
And I'm not sure what you're going to get from
Chewba Hubbard down the way, but I think you know,
you look at a team like Carolina and heck team
that we spent a lot of time on our previous
podcast talking about the Cleveland Browns, you know, with Jamis
and what they've got. They're a three win team that
you know, we talked about him, you know, making a
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spot start in the playoffs for.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You Yeah, I mean you got to look. You're looking
for where you can find the Bengals, where you can
find yeah, some of these weak squads along the way.
It's funny New England actually has the you know, according
to the old Takathon World, they've got the hardest schedule
remaining just ahead of Chicago with two dates against the Bills.
The Chargers, and then you've got the Cardinals. Those are
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their final four games of the year, so not exactly,
you know, a bunch of lightweights, but the effort should
still be there. The Raiders a bottom ten schedule, you've
got a couple of the the other Tennessee has the
third easiest schedule remaining because they got two dates against
the Jacksonville Jags still on the schedule and one with
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the Bengals. So you know, your Will Levis Express potentially
could be how about that we talked about it last
time with the bow Knicks Jamis Winston combo. How about
we parlay that net Will Levis do it to get
you through your fantasy playoffs in title Well, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
The great thing about Tankathon that I love is the
use of the NFL logos. Yep, you know because just
helmets end zones. I love the whole thing when you
talk about they have a whole column of easiest opponents.
And it's funny because San Francisco is the easiest opponents
for a lot of these teams, and we wouldn't think
of it, but maybe they're believing along our lines. But
(27:41):
with New England, they're the only one without a logo
and easiest opponents, you know, and Jacksonville's the flip side,
they're the only ones with the toughest opponents and no
logo in So yeah, just something something to look at
and something to consider down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, Jacksonville two against the Titans, one against the Jets, Colts,
and the Raiders along the way. But yeah, trying to
find some opportunity. And certainly, you know, with Ian streaming defenses,
each week it gets more and more delicious because you
get to start thinking about the who's giving up yeah
side of things, and the injuries that might only be
(28:18):
a one week injury, but at the end of a
year you're like, all right, you're a starting you know,
left cornerback. You know what, you're going to take the
final three weeks off. Maybe it gives us another four
slots in draft position or things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Just a quick side note with Tankkthon, we love the
work that they did, but the one thing Tank Cathon
does that doesn't make any sense to me because other
sites do it. They do an NBA mock draft. Oh
and when you have a draft lottery and teams have
the same odds at the top to get the first pick.
How can you put even if they have the worst
record in the Washington Wizards getting Cooper Flag. It's my
(28:54):
only gripe because there's just no way to pick the lottery.
But you know what, I can't beggars, can't be choosers, Mike,
because we all love NBA mock drafts just like we
love NFL mock drafts. And even though they're really there's
no point to them, we still love to have them now.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
But that's the beautia, and we'll do a few of them.
We'll have those for you here on I Watch You flext.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
This podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I'll say this. When the Seahawks had their.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Two first round picks from Denver, I did my own
mock drafts on those sites, and our Pro Football Focus
has them on other sites you know do as well.
But I would keep myself so busy and just draft
the draft class that that I loved. I loved the
expansion of mock drafts and how they've and just the
(29:45):
NFL draft is obviously we've seen, but to get people
to actively do their own for their own team. Jay Moore,
when I would do the Jymore Show, he would do
segments on our shows and Ian. He was a huge
Jets fan, so you would always do Jets mock drafts.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They were great.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
It's it's it's such an different angle than we were
used to growing up.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
But that's mod like that way for the last ten years.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I always do my one one round mock draft the
day before everything. We've read everything, all the tea leaves.
They usually get like eight to ten right, and then
the rest of it is so catastrophically wrong based on
one trade that has that trickle down effect. It's always
that fun thing, where is it going to blow up?
And then you watch it unfold.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Well, I'll leave you with this story. There's a running
joke within the Seahawks community on how all the networks
go to break when the Seahawks go on the clock
in the first round, because it's usually because it's like
they don't care about who the Seahawks are going to pick,
or maybe they're not going to have an exciting pick,
but it's always the alright, and so and so is
(30:49):
now a New York Giant, and now the Seahawks are
on the clock.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We'll be back with their pick after this.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
And it's because there's so there's no like six minute
discussion on how to improve the Seahawks or what they need,
or who was good and who was bad or who
they've been fighting over. They just go to commercial and
then they come back and they're like, the pick is in,
let's go to the commissioner.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Like how Nikola Jokic was drafted in the middle of
a Taco bell commercial.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You know, yeah, darn near close.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
But yeah, not that I expect you to remember this
in late April, but when you do, just remember they're
going to go to break right when the Seahawks are
going to be on the clock.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So anyway, that's a brilliant closer right there, Dan, Well.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We will end with that, so we'll be back with
another episode at the end of the week. Michael Love
his rankings four week fourteen, and again six teams on
buy this week, So remember that you're going to have
to adjust your lineups, even if it is the final
week of your regular season. In fantasy football, we blame
the NFL. So for my Carmen, Andy and Roddy, I'm
(31:55):
Dan Byer. Can't wait to talk to you next time
right here, and I will your flax in the
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Welcome in.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It is I Want Your BLESI is Mike Harmen, I'm
Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is our executive producer. And we
dive into this episode kind of revisiting a topic that
we had in a previous episode recently.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Where we were talking about Super.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Bowl contenders, and it's going to kind of be the
jumping off point for some of the topics we want
to get into on this podcast, not only the super
Bowl contenders, but the complete other end of the spectrum
as well. Who's going to be tanking, who's gonna want
to be maybe not performing as well later on in
the season, and how you can use some of those
situations to your advantage.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But Michael'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I think you had five teams in your teams that
you believe could win a Super Bowl? Has anything changed
to make you add a team or take a team
off from your original five.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I still have my reservations. I guess maybe a little
bit more on Baltimore, Right, I don't trust the defense.
Now you've got the kicking position long four to five,
long established, and you know the heroism and history. Hell
they're in. You know, normally in trading card sets, Dan,
and you've gone into this world Ian you're well aware
(01:43):
of this as well. It's like you normally don't get
deep and down enough to where you're finding offensive linemen
and kickers. Right, you might have them in their initial
rookie year because it's a bigger set, and it's like, ah,
and you know this guy's getting drafted on a Notre
Dame USC whatever, so we could put them in kickers
don't normally do that as veterans. It was Adam Vinitieri
(02:04):
and Justin Tucker. Justin Tucker's now hit that what do
we do here? And he's probably cost Lamar Jackson the
MVP with five losses at this point, right, because it's
wins losses and we could talk about Jackson's individual stats,
But in the end, the m v P you gotta
(02:24):
you gotta get over right, It's the the the Ravens
defense plus that and what happens with the kicking game
is really concerning for me right now. Right the Bills
uh big win over San Francisco, so was still on
board there. I guess maybe I can extend the bubble
(02:45):
and really in maybe disappearing inc because I might feel
very differently in this coming week. But does Pittsburgh suddenly
enter the bubble a little bit? That's that's the thing
for me, Like you know, with with Los Angeles, with
the Chargers, I kept wanting to push them into the
where we were, and it's like, I don't trust the
(03:07):
offense can give me enough juice week after week. I
don't think they can do that multiple times. Plus you
lose JK. Dobbins, your leading Russier go there, So I
can't add them into the fray saying Kansas City is
still going to be there. So yeah, I think maybe
I add Pittsburgh and put them on level where Baltimore is.
But I don't really have great confidence in either of
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them right now.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I had six of the five, you know, Mike ad Chiefs, Bills,
Ravens lines, and Eagles. I also had Green Bay in
that mix, and I'm still with that and I'm still
not willing to add the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I will stay with my six.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I totally get your Ravens question or you know, you're
you questioning the Ravens and wondering about Pittsburgh depending on
how this bracket shapes up. And because of the late
buy that we've got, the Ravens are on buy in
week fourteen, so they've they've already played thirteen games. You
(04:06):
have the Chargers still a game up on them in
the loss column. So even though the Ravens won that
head to head, because of the loss that the Ravens
had to the Eagles, it dropped them back. So now
the Chargers are sitting there in that five spot, and
if I know, they've got a tough game against Kansas
City coming up, you know, in week fourteen on Sunday night.
So that's a tall task. But at least as of
right now, Chargers would be the five seed in the
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AFC and you'd have a Steelers Ravens wild card game
in that three to six matchup, So that would be
that would be quite the affair in Pittsburgh and Mike,
to your point, if I'm picking that game, I don't
know how I could pick against Pittsburgh in that contest,
considering the woes that that Baltimore's had. I don't think
that they're going to move on from Justin Tucker. I
don't think you can, to be honest with you, I
(04:50):
think it's I think it's crazy talk to think that
you're just going to go pick up a free agent
kicker somewhere and he's going to be the savior that
you need. I think there'd be even more pressure on it.
And honestly, it's instead of just having that and make
it such a such a cold hearted business by if
you were to move on from him, Miles, just ride
(05:11):
it out. And if he doesn't make kicks, he doesn't
make kicks, but made a lot of kicks for you
in the off season or you know, in the previous season.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So do this move in the off season.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I don't think they have any any room whatsoever to
replace Justin Tucker as their kicker.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They're just gonna have to live.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
With it two weeks to figure it out. The big
thing is, historically he was pretty nails from deep distance,
and in a year where the league has gone that way,
he's totally regressed in that regard really quick. Before we
get to ian C and if he added any extra
teams because he had a really small bubble he did.
Little bubble is you know your Green Bay point. They're
(05:47):
curious to me, right, Remember we were riding them ian
You had him as a you know you you're streaming
d a couple of times and hit pretty big on them.
The turnovers that weren't there in years past have been
a little more plumy. My only fear, and I guess
we'll put them on the tan where I've got on
the AFC side, that Baltimore Pittsburgh line. Dan to add
(06:10):
the Green Bay to the mix, because you've seen the
best of Jordan Love at times. I still fear he
turns the ball over too much, and that's the reticence there.
But what's curious is with Detroit in division, and I'm
with you, Minnesota still scares me for some reason. Even
though Sam Darnold won them games, right, he's been the
(06:32):
guy to take care of the business down the stretch. Defensively,
Detroit's got a bunch of injuries. We were talking about
this a little bit in studio on Sunday, you and
I as we were chatting it up ahead of your
show on Red Zone Radio and the games kicking off
is that they have had some attrition in that front
seven and trying to navigate that along the way, wondering
(06:56):
if that doesn't lead you to a game or two
that you lose. Look, they should have lost Chicago as
poorly as the Bears had played in that first half.
The game was there for the taking and they let
them off the hook. See I'm stealing from Dennis Green now,
But all of a sudden, that makes it Philadelphia's maybe
thrust towards towards a home field advantage, cetera. And look
(07:19):
we've got I don't think any reticence there except when
it comes into the final minutes of a game and
a Sirianni situation has to happen. But I'll add Green
Bay to the board to match you.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, I think that. I think we'll find out. Obviously,
we'll find out soon. This week on Halligit. Green Bays
is there at Detroit for the Thursday Night Affair to
start week fourteen. And by the way, you know the
Lions have arrived, and Green Bay we'd know has arrived.
But this traditionally was usually the Cowboys window. A lot
(07:54):
of times the Cowboys play on Thanksgiving and then they'd
get the next Thursday primetime game. They'd played the same
a lot. I think if you would look back in history,
they would like face New Orleans. They did it at
least a couple of times. But Packer's Lions being in
this prime time slot on Thursday, getting that more normal
week from the Thanksgiving day game.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But we'll find out on how logit green Bay is.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And they have a trip to Minnesota to play to
try to get some revenge on Minnesota, so they'll have
an opportunity to do that coming up, I believe in
week seventeen of the season.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So there is some room for Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Ian Roddy, have you expanded from your list of two
that featured the Eagles and Lions?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Are you still at two?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I haven't expanded it yet, but I will say that
the Bills are trending that way. Like man, they look great,
But the fact that it was a snow game means,
you know, let's I guess just want to see the
same thing again in you know, regular settings and stuff,
because I guess I would say that the Bill sort
of have a slight advantage in the snow just because
it's you know, they're used to playing in that kind
of game every year. But started to digress a little bit.
(09:05):
The Lions and Eagles are still the two teams that
I can really only realistically see when in the Super Bowl.
That Eagles defense is so good, Like I was watching
it this weekend, and it doesn't make sense because they
didn't change that much from last year. Last year the
defense was a legitimate weakness and the biggest thing that
they changed was they added two rookie corners. So it's
(09:28):
it's just like crazy to see that those guys have
exploded the way that they have Dejeene and Quinion Mitchell.
But the Eagles that defense, and they're led by young
guys too. That's part of it too, is the fact
that they're only ascending, they're only getting better. It's not
like you have to worry about veterans hitting that wall. Well,
the one guy that was the veteran ripped his arm
and that was the end of him, right, Well, yeah,
(09:50):
that was actually really sad. Yeah, yeah, but that I
also did want to say something about Justin Tucker too,
is I feel like with the raven I was viewing
them as a team that was kind of on the
rise and could maybe win a Super Bowl. But I
just think that that defense is too much of an issue.
And then Justin Tucker as well, like you guys were
talking about, if you picture the Ravens in the AFC
(10:13):
Championship and there's a situation where you need Justin Tucker
to hit a go ahead field goal to win the
game and go to the super Bowl, I wouldn't feel
good about that at all. This is this has been
a down year, Like, not not only a down year,
it's he's getting to that age too, where I feel
like we like to trick ourselves into thinking, you know, like, oh,
you know, thirty two they start to slow down. Thirty
(10:35):
three they're a little worse. Thirty four, they're a little worse.
Thirty five they're bad. It's like, no, when father time
hits you, he hits you. And I think Tucker has
hit that point, like he's you're good, you're good, You're good,
You're bad. And I hate to say it, but I
think Tucker's at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Well I'll make this point with Tucker. It's funny because
we've had kickers kick well into their forties many times
in the National Football League. I mean, Harry played forever,
John Carney played forever. A lot of these guys played
for a long time. Tucker's thirty five years old. But
Tucker is this new breed of kicker, and maybe he's
(11:11):
one of the guys that ushered it in where maybe
you're not doing that. So maybe justin Tucker in the
offseason needs to kind of be like, all right, I
can't be robo kicker anymore because he would hit his
I use golf analogies a lot guys. His ball moved
a lot, you know, like when you're when you're off
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the I.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Mean it's throwing curve balls out there.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, Like you know, he would have a lot of
action on it, and maybe there's a little something that
they're going to have to adjust to. I would send
on the network earlier this week that I thought that
Baltimore's going to have situations where they would normally just
trot out Tucker for a fifty three yard field goal.
Now they're going to have to think about should we
go for it here on fourth and four.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You know, like those decisions may have been easy because
he was such a weapon in the past.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Now you're going to maybe have to make more of
those decisions on all, right, do we go for it
instead of just settling for a field goal?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Here?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
He did make a forty seven and fifty three arder
against Philadelphia, but misses the extra point you know in
that Actually I think he missed the forty seven and
fifty three. Take that back, I think he made a
fifty yarder. But the point being is there is still
some of that. But yeah, you guys are right. The
numbers show it. His accuracy from range is not there
four of nine and fifty yard field goals this year,
(12:30):
So I think the Ravens are going to end up
having to modify at least how they play because he's
no longer an advantage for them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Before we end his discussion, the you know bit of
trivia here, four hundred and sixty five career field goal attempts.
Where do you think that ranks all time in the
National Football League?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Hmmm, four hundred and sixty five. I am going to say,
okay again, because I think I kicked for a long time.
I'll say twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
How about that.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Oh, I'm gonna guess lower. I'm gonna say it's like ninth.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He is twenty third, oh Adam Adam Vinitary seven hundred
and fifteen career field goal attempts, followed by Morton Anderson,
Gary Anderson, George Blanda and Jason Hanson Hanson with six
oh one, a full one hundred and fourteen less than
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Vinitary in his career. And then you start getting into
Sebastian Janikowski, who was super tow Remember we used to
laugh about it all the time. Dan of Hey, they
crossed midfield. Get him out there kicking on the infield dirt.
Go see what you can do. Jason Elam, Phil Dawson,
Robbie Gold like all these legends are well Ahad with
(13:56):
the lu Groza, but David Akers and even Nick Folk
has an extra thirteen over him just you know, one
of those I should say eleven I had of him.
But just the point being that even though you know
for you and I and I think Ian you know
your youth notwithstanding I mean you you watch Justin Tucker
(14:19):
and it's like becomes anonymous. He's gonna come and he's
going to save the day. You would think even with
all that longevity. Yeah, they play defense, kickfield goals not
nearly as much as you thought they did.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No, but it's still some years. You know.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
If he had just, I just he's just not gonna
be that robokicker Vinitary wasn't, you know. But he'd at
least get it through the uprights. You knew he could.
But again, it's a different NFL, as we talked about
with Cairo Santos. Right, Oh yeah, different NFL. Now you
gotta have you gotta be able to make those fifty yarders, Darren,
(14:57):
you and have a chance to to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Shit, he is Mike Rmen, I'm Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
That's Ian Roddy, Mike willing to budge Ian sort of wavering,
willing to maybe add the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Not quite yet, but they're they're trending now.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Well, yes, you're still stuck at two, Mike still steaks,
sticking at five, with maybe Green Bay trying to peek in.
None of us are removing the Chiefs yet, although maybe
we had every right to against the Raiders, but they're
all still firmly in our numbers, all right, the team,
the Chiefs beating the Super Bowl last year. They're having
some troubles this year. The San Francisco forty nine ers.
(15:36):
What is life now going to be like without CMC?
Probably not like it was the first half of the year.
We'll discuss that next year and I Want Your Flex.
The San Francisco forty nine Ers were not a team
that we included in our could possibly win a Super Bowl.
I'm not sure if they'd be in our group of
teams we think are going to make the playoffs right now,
(15:57):
because it's sure Luke's leak four San Francisco. Oh, he
is Mike Carmen and I'm Dan byer Ian Roddy is
the executive producer of I Want Your Flex, but Mike
the Life of the forty nine Ers. I think it's
different this time without Christian McCaffrey, and for obvious the
reasons with Jordan Mason as well, But it's just such
a different feel. There seemed to be hope with the
(16:19):
forty nine ers for the first half of the year,
like once we get him back, we should be good.
And now you're sitting there with an eight percent chance
of making the playoffs, you're at five and seven. I
don't know if this version of the San Francisco forty
nine Ers is going to provide a lot of good
moments for Anie nine ers fans or maybe even fantasy
(16:40):
players down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, fantasy wise difficult, right when you also, we've seen
so much chirping across locker rooms and then the unnamed
source stuff right about you know, hey, Miami and soft
and all that stuff with McDaniel, and that's pervasive in
the locker room. But George Kittle talking about his life
of targets pretty dismissive of everything going on. Offensively, the
(17:05):
fact that you needed him to be a blocker because
the run game was effective until those guys got hurt. Right, So,
I mean McCaffrey had ripped off a couple of big runs,
Jordan Mason doing a lot of what we'd seen earlier
this year five point two of Carrey in his work
this season before heading to IR. So, you know, Kittle
being a blocker, that's what we saw. But you know,
(17:27):
when you break it all down for fantasy purposes, only
fifty catches on the year, eight of them for touchdowns.
But you know, Deebo Samuel thirty eight catches touchdown trying
to use him as a as an army knife isn't working. Obviously,
I got hurt a while back, Purty coming back off
the injury. All of that to say, you've got a squad.
(17:49):
I don't know that I really trust your kicker's going
back to the kicker conversation we were just having. He
struggled after a good start to the season. Now you
can't trust him. So it's changing some of your play
calling and aggressiveness in Shanahan having to change things up now.
I don't have a whole lot of faith here. If
you look at the you know, as we go back
(18:10):
to our lovely tankathon world, they're in the middle of
the pack. You've got games left against Detroit, Arizona and
the Rams. You do have a Week fourteen date against
the Bears defense played really good for a second half
and they can get after you, so no picnic. And
then you still have another date against the Dolphins, who
before Week thirteen they were the best fantasy defense against quarterbacks.
(18:34):
So yeah, it's it's slim pickings. And you know, Operation Shutdown.
They're boarding things up in San Francisco and not just
in Union Square.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I think that I think also nice line there, Thank
you The fact is is that the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Ers are better off probably tanking than trying to make
this playoff.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You know, like when you think of when you think
of where they are, there comes a point where.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
This season it's just it's it's a loss.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
And for them, they're not competing with Detroit right now,
they're not competing with Philadelphia. They're competing with Seattle, Arizona
and the Rams to just get into the playoffs because
that's likely their only hope. The wild card I still
think will be difficult with Washington sitting there in that
in that seventh spot right now, their only hope is
I think, really to win the division and hope there's
(19:30):
some carnage within, but again an eight percent chance of
making the playoffs. The toughest part though about them giving
up on the season is you're giving up on the window.
But you probably have to do that, Like it's this
is it, this is this is over. You're gonna need
a new like refresh, some vision, something to change things,
(19:56):
and it should probably start now. So there's gonna be
this battle of do you really really want to close
it because this was supposed to be your year, or
do you start over, and I think the best move
is probably to start over. Figure out what you've got
this rest of the way. I'm not saying the lose games,
but the higher they are on the draft board, the
better it's going to be. You have an opportunity to
(20:17):
actually secure a last place schedule because the Rams, Cardinals
and Seahawks are going to be fighting it out for
the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That could help you in ways next year. There are
a lot more.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Reasons in my mind for the forty nine ers to
lose than to win games that could help. That could
also be in effect in their fantasy ways down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But even if we are.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Talking fantasy, Mike, I'm not sure if there's a lot
of value with San Francisco that I'd want to load
up on right now.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You're looking at the reset for a lot of this Dan,
right you got contracts that need to be parsed out, obviously,
you know, all thoughts prayers to Trent Williams and his
wife and family and everybody surrounding them. Difficult emotional moment,
but he's a guy that you know, he came back
the year. Is he going to be part of your
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offensive line going forward. You know, obviously a lot of
a lot of time and decision making there, but that
was the one component part of your offensive line that
made everybody else adequate for a chunk of the year.
And now if he were to be gone or you know,
you lose some of these weapons, right, you got to
make a choice on debo or you know, looking at
(21:24):
what you're doing with brock Purdy going forward. You know,
in some of these crazy bizarre worlds, folks are imagining
a world without Shanahan. Well, he didn't get there, so
he should be gone. Kind of scenarios like, okay, maybe
there's you know something to hey, we gave it a
good run and now you need a new direction, a
new voice. I don't know that I agree with that
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because it becomes the who are you getting? That's better conversation.
But all of that to say, you know, in division,
like what are you playing for at this point? Right?
Everybody obviously the players putting tape out, but as a team,
as you laid it out, the last place schedule, the
better draft pick, all of that thinking, all right, if
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we scratch into the playoffs, can we legitimately win? Right?
We're not hanging a banner just for being a wild
card team or winning a division you know at eight
to nine or nine and eight and then going and
getting housed in the first round. That doesn't serve any
longer purpose in or does it serve anything short term
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other than hey, we can add another line of we
made the playoffs again in our season ticket brochures.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, and who cares things about that? Ye?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right right now, that's not what you're playing for.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yep, exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
The aspirations were another date in late January into February
in New Orleans, and you know that's been torn us
under for a million reasons. Now it's trying to figure
out what you got left, what the next iteration of
Christian McCaffrey is, Pierce all and whatever else comes.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You know, there sure seems to be a fight for
the for the number one overall pick three teams right
now with two wins Jacksonville, the Raiders, and the Giants.
So when we look at the other side of this,
where you know, I do think that the forty nine
ers should start to tank, and you look at how
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their season is going. There are teams that are gonna tank.
Who do you thinks throwing in the towel. Is there
places where we can look at fantasy value. Maybe on
the flip side, players are being looked at as possible,
you know, pushes for the next year. We always remember
Arion Foster from years back at that solid four game
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stretch for the Texans and then took off the next season.
But where are you with the teams on the bottom
half of these NFL standings, the two wins squads, the
three win squads, the four win squads and so forth.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, it's the curiosity, right. We talked a little bit
in the in Monday's podcast, or I should say Tuesdays
about the you know Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence, you know, obliquely,
so Mac Jones against a pretty bad schedule down the
stretch maybe, And again it's the whole what's the reading
(24:13):
the tea leaves of future quarterback plays? So he's got
something to play for. But I think we all agreed
Doug Peterson is probably getting fired, So you've got conflicting
hopes there, right to Balky probably should be out the
door as well. That's a whole other thing. He did
resign the left tackle, so yay. But you know, you're
looking at what they're doing. The Giant's clearly tanking. I
(24:37):
can't trust that Malik Neighbors has even seen enough footballs
at this point. Yeah right, you know, and he's complained
about it, but there's a larger thing at play. It's like,
you know how good he is, but you know, winning
doesn't help the process there, and you'll have a new
coaching staff or whatever else. We talked a little bit
about the Patriots and Rod Mayo. Drake May's put on
(24:59):
some pretty good tape. Think down the stretch, he's still fighting,
and it seems like the players want to fight for Mayo,
even if even if it's a mess and he him
handedly is doing some things, saying some things. I think
there's still some fight there. So you know, perhaps one
of those teams, you know, the antithesis of what you
would expect from a three win team at this point.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I think, you know, a team like Tennessee that we've
seen have a little fight but still not have success
in the win column.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There are three wins.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I think Carolina you can find some fantasy value showing
the way that Bryce Young has played. We talked a
bit about him. I mean that Adam Thieling likes great
against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now you have a backfield
where Chuba Hubbard at a costly fumble for them that
would have sealed the deal for them in overtime to
get the game winning kick. But you have Jonathan Brooks
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there that everybody's been waiting.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
On, waiting on him for a long time.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So like there's value maybe in Jonathan Brooks.
And I'm not sure what you're going to get from
Chewba Hubbard down the way, but I think you know,
you look at a team like Carolina and heck team
that we spent a lot of time on our previous
podcast talking about the Cleveland Browns, you know, with Jamis
and what they've got. They're a three win team that
you know, we talked about him, you know, making a
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spot start in the playoffs for.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You Yeah, I mean you got to look. You're looking
for where you can find the Bengals, where you can
find yeah, some of these weak squads along the way.
It's funny New England actually has the you know, according
to the old Takathon World, they've got the hardest schedule
remaining just ahead of Chicago with two dates against the Bills.
The Chargers, and then you've got the Cardinals. Those are
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their final four games of the year, so not exactly,
you know, a bunch of lightweights, but the effort should
still be there. The Raiders a bottom ten schedule, you've
got a couple of the the other Tennessee has the
third easiest schedule remaining because they got two dates against
the Jacksonville Jags still on the schedule and one with
(27:02):
the Bengals. So you know, your Will Levis Express potentially
could be how about that we talked about it last
time with the bow Knicks Jamis Winston combo. How about
we parlay that net Will Levis do it to get
you through your fantasy playoffs in title Well, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
The great thing about Tankathon that I love is the
use of the NFL logos. Yep, you know because just
helmets end zones. I love the whole thing when you
talk about they have a whole column of easiest opponents.
And it's funny because San Francisco is the easiest opponents
for a lot of these teams, and we wouldn't think
of it, but maybe they're believing along our lines. But
(27:41):
with New England, they're the only one without a logo
and easiest opponents, you know, and Jacksonville's the flip side,
they're the only ones with the toughest opponents and no
logo in So yeah, just something something to look at
and something to consider down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, Jacksonville two against the Titans, one against the Jets, Colts,
and the Raiders along the way. But yeah, trying to
find some opportunity. And certainly, you know, with Ian streaming defenses,
each week it gets more and more delicious because you
get to start thinking about the who's giving up yeah
side of things, and the injuries that might only be
(28:18):
a one week injury, but at the end of a
year you're like, all right, you're a starting you know,
left cornerback. You know what, you're going to take the
final three weeks off. Maybe it gives us another four
slots in draft position or things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Just a quick side note with Tankkthon, we love the
work that they did, but the one thing Tank Cathon
does that doesn't make any sense to me because other
sites do it. They do an NBA mock draft. Oh
and when you have a draft lottery and teams have
the same odds at the top to get the first pick.
How can you put even if they have the worst
record in the Washington Wizards getting Cooper Flag. It's my
(28:54):
only gripe because there's just no way to pick the lottery.
But you know what, I can't beggars, can't be choosers, Mike,
because we all love NBA mock drafts just like we
love NFL mock drafts. And even though they're really there's
no point to them, we still love to have them now.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
But that's the beautia, and we'll do a few of them.
We'll have those for you here on I Watch You flext.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
This podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I'll say this. When the Seahawks had their.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Two first round picks from Denver, I did my own
mock drafts on those sites, and our Pro Football Focus
has them on other sites you know do as well.
But I would keep myself so busy and just draft
the draft class that that I loved. I loved the
expansion of mock drafts and how they've and just the
(29:45):
NFL draft is obviously we've seen, but to get people
to actively do their own for their own team. Jay Moore,
when I would do the Jymore Show, he would do
segments on our shows and Ian. He was a huge
Jets fan, so you would always do Jets mock drafts.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They were great.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
It's it's it's such an different angle than we were
used to growing up.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
But that's mod like that way for the last ten years.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I always do my one one round mock draft the
day before everything. We've read everything, all the tea leaves.
They usually get like eight to ten right, and then
the rest of it is so catastrophically wrong based on
one trade that has that trickle down effect. It's always
that fun thing, where is it going to blow up?
And then you watch it unfold.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Well, I'll leave you with this story. There's a running
joke within the Seahawks community on how all the networks
go to break when the Seahawks go on the clock
in the first round, because it's usually because it's like
they don't care about who the Seahawks are going to pick,
or maybe they're not going to have an exciting pick,
but it's always the alright, and so and so is
(30:49):
now a New York Giant, and now the Seahawks are
on the clock.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We'll be back with their pick after this.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
And it's because there's so there's no like six minute
discussion on how to improve the Seahawks or what they need,
or who was good and who was bad or who
they've been fighting over. They just go to commercial and
then they come back and they're like, the pick is in,
let's go to the commissioner.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Like how Nikola Jokic was drafted in the middle of
a Taco bell commercial.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You know, yeah, darn near close.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
But yeah, not that I expect you to remember this
in late April, but when you do, just remember they're
going to go to break right when the Seahawks are
going to be on the clock.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So anyway, that's a brilliant closer right there, Dan, Well.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We will end with that, so we'll be back with
another episode at the end of the week. Michael Love
his rankings four week fourteen, and again six teams on
buy this week, So remember that you're going to have
to adjust your lineups, even if it is the final
week of your regular season. In fantasy football, we blame
the NFL. So for my Carmen, Andy and Roddy, I'm
(31:55):
Dan Byer. Can't wait to talk to you next time
right here, and I will your flax in the
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