August 30, 2022 • 21 mins
Chris and Rob discuss if Lamar Jackson will have secured the greatest contract in NFL history (assuming he gets the fully-guaranteed deal he’s currently seeking from the Baltimore Ravens), explain why the New York Knicks giving RJ Barrett a contract extension illustrates just how poorly they’ve drafted over the years, and tell us why NBA scouts, coaches and executives hold Giannis Antetokounmpo in higher regard that current and former players do.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. So Lamar Jackson,
we've talked about him, both of us. I'll give Rob credit.
He was the first one to say, and I thought
it was a great idea that Lamar should sit out
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until he gets the fully demand, fully guaranteed contract. There's
he deserves it, you know, if Deshaun Watson can get one,
he deserves more money. He's been better on the field
obviously off the field, doesn't have those and resumes better. Yeah,
on the field, off the field, and he should get it.
So we think he should sit out. It doesn't appear
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that he will. I'd be shocked if he does. But
he did get on social media today on Twitter and
respond to some fans that gave us a little bit
of insight into what's going on with his negotiations, rob
Ge do share. Yeah, he was going back and forth
with a lot of lists, a lot of fans actually,
And after one Twitter user said the Ravens should give
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two hundred fifty million guaranteed and another one saying that
they already offered that, all Lamar says is no, they didn't.
Another guest says, as much as I love Lamar, fully
guaranteed deal would be bad business. Lamar replies, then you
don't love Lamar. Right, He's right. And the one that
really got Ravens fans upset is that somebody tweeted him,
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I can't wait to see you crying tears of joy
in Miami as we hoisted Lombardi Trophy and it's him
photoshopp in the Dolphins uniform. And then he liked it,
so that got people upset. Yeah, yeah, I could imagine
they don't want to see their quarterbacks somewhere. He liked
it and then texted it to the Ravens brain trust. Yes,
and said you better get on a stick, Chris. I'm
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gonna make a proclamation if this deal does come down
and he gets a fully guaranteed contract for the most
in the league, right right, right, It will be if Lamar.
If Lamar can pull this deal off, it will be
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and probably go down as the greatest contract achieved in
the NFL. And I'm gonna say this for this reason.
There's a couple of reasons why it would be a
because Chris, it's so hard to get a fully guaranteed contract.
We know that, and greater players like Patrick Mahomes and
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Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, those guys haven't been able to
do that. Right Kirk cut He's got a three year
deal for not that kind of money, but he got
a three year, fully guaranteed contract. Okay, this would be
a big, fully guaranteed contract for a quarterback. Number two,
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when you think about what how Lamar plays in his game,
where he's openness and and uh, there's always a potential
of him being hurt Chris, because he runs the football
and he's and and and turns up feel and uses
his body and his feet. That's another thing that he
would be fully guarantee protected it with a fully guaranteed
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contract and could play and God forbid something happened, he'd
be taken care of. And number three, he has no agent,
he's able to negotiate He's a smart man. Look at
the land survey the land. This is what they're paying people.
You don't need an agent to figure that out. I'm
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better than Deshaun Watson. I mean more to the Ravens
because everything on that offense revolves around me. We've done nothing,
but when since I got there, I want a unanimous
MVP and I don't have to share four percent of
my earnings with an agent. It would be stupendous. It
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would be Bravo worthy. It would be the best contract
in NFL history. M M. Nice take. I don't hate it.
I don't hate the take. It's not a bad take.
Like you said, he doesn't have an agent, which we've
said I might be a mistake. Ain't to get that agent.
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But if he gets this done, to your point, it
would be, you know, the highest guaranteed contract in the
history of the league. It would change the landscape too,
meaning I think every great quarterback from here on out
will want a fully guarantee deal. That's another point, and
I left that out. This is what Patrick. We wanted
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Patrick Mahomes to do, right, and this, this is what
we wanted after the Watson. But of course Kyler Murray
took a deal that wasn't fully guaranteed. And who was
the other guy who Rogers before Rodgers before? Now he
was what was before? It was before before Deshaun. There's
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another quarterback who just signed It wasn't fully I thought
it was one more all right, Yeah, But here's the
one disagreement I have. I think, all things considered, and
I'm not I'm not saying this because it's necessarily admirable.
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I'm just saying, with all the circumstances surrounding this player,
I gotta say, the best deal in NFL his three
has to be de Shaunt has to be de Shaunt.
When you already had a big time deal, right, it
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wasn't like you needed another contract and you've got all
of this stuff hanging over you legally, all of this controversy.
You're going it was a chance you'd miss an entire season.
You won't even wouldn't even have played the first season
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of the deal. Now you're gonna play was six of
the seventeen games. I think all that being considered for
him to get the besides Kirk Cousins, the first fully
guaranteed contract, Oh, by the way, the most guaranteed money
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ever as well. I think Rob that has to go
down as the greatest contract. This would be great, But
Lamar hasn't. Isn't MVP. You know what I'm saying, Like this,
Sean as good as he's been, no one an MVP
hasn't led a team deep into the playoffs. Is last
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year he played there were won four games. But but
and he's got all this mess around him and he
gets a better deal than Mahomes, Rogers, Brady. That's all
I gotta say. That is the coup of the of
the century. If you were Yeah, but but I think
it was different from the standpoint. It wasn't with the
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team that he was drafted. It was because he was
moving and because you had a team that was desperate.
That's why he was able to negotiate it. And I
get it, it is what he was able to put together.
But I'm saying for for uh Lamar to be able
to do this without an agent and playing the position
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where you could say, if I'm the Ravens, I'm a
little squeamish like this guy. You know, I'm a little squeamish.
This guy could get hurt whatever, and we're gonna do
this for him. And put him out there and let
him do his thing and not ask him to change
how he plays. It would say a lot. So that's
what's what I say. It's Lamar. They're not as squeamish
as you have to be about Deshaun. No squeamish on
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a whole other level. And remember I forgot this point,
Rob whist Lamar getting this year a million. I mean
they laid dotted all the eyes and cross all the
tea so when he was suspended, he wouldn't lose any
money hardly. So I gotta go with de Sean. I'm
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The Knicks, you really they signed RJ. Barrett four years,
one hundred and twenty million, could make it suffer for
them to get Donovan Mitchell. And you see this Now
we'll get to this deal a little bit later, but
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you just think this is the Knicks being the Knicks
only from this standpoint, Chris, And this is what according
to ESPN's stats and information right Barrat's deal Chris ends
a remark bowl twenty three year drought by the Knicks.
He's the franchise's first draft pick to agree to a
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multi year contract extension after his rookie deal since Charlie
Ward in nineteen ninety nine. That so, when people say, oh,
the Knicks occursed, No they're not. It has nothing to
do with curse or happenstance or anything else. It has
to do with bad management, bad draft choices, bad front
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office people. That's why they've been bad. How in the world. Quiz.
Could you go twenty three years and not sign another
contract from a guy you drafted in the first round.
It doesn't even make sense. It's twenty three years. It's unbelievable.
Did you know I didn't even know that until I
saw that today. No, I didn't know that. Um, it
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wasn't something I was thinking about. But right, if you
think about the Knicks best player since Patrick Ewing, latre
else pretty well, not their player, not home who was
a free agent? Yep, got him in free agency Stefan
and Marbury briefly, but that was a trade Carmelo Anthony,
trade of Mark Style of barn free agency. Who else?
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It's got to be a just just that tells you well,
I mean, we just covered the last twenty years of
Nick's basketball. We named about four dudes that were worth naming,
but that Rob It's it's been a mess. Marcus Canby,
if you want to keep going back a little further,
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he wasn't a homegrown product. Larry Johnson not homegrown. They
got him from Charlotte. You're right, like it has been
a mess. And we talk about the Dallas Cowboys and
rightly so right, a lot of people kids growing up, Like,
why in the world are they such a big deal? Like, really,
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why haven't been in an NFC Championship games? Is ninety
five right right now? The Knicks aren't a big deal
unless you're in New York. But still I think, you
know because ESPN. You know this, rob because ESPN's in
the East, on the East Coast, a lot of people
from New York, the New York area end up working there.
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If the Knicks are good, they will be all over ESPN,
all over sports. Yeah right, They're just never because ESPN
and the other flip side Christian you notice too is Boston,
Boston and New York or smack dab in the middle,
and ESPN's in Bristol, Connecticut. So a lot of people
have worked in both of those markets, both of those cities,
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and there is a you know, Boston, New York a bias. Yeah,
but if they're any good, and obviously the Knicks haven't
been good, Yeah, it's just there's no defending what they
have done over the last two decades. It's as simple
as that. I do like the Barrett signing. Will get
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to that a little bit later, but that I'm just saying, like,
like twenty three years is incredible. Fox Sports Radio has
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You and I talked Friday about Yannis. We both agree
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he's the best player in the world. And ESPN did
a poll of executives and I think it was also coaches,
executive scouts and coaches, fifteen of them across the league.
They asked for a series of topics, you know, best rookie,
what you're expecting, biggest surprises. They asked who is the
best player in the NBA right now? Yannis, of course,
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was ty with Kadie last season as the best player
this year, it wasn't close. Eleven of fifteen pig Yannis.
So perhaps even more shocking, though, is they ask who's
gonna be the best guy five years from now? So
you think he'd be like Tatum or jar Luca. Nope,
Yannis again, So they expect at the executives, coaches, and scouts,
Yannis is the best player now and for the foreseeable future. Yeah,
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and I don't think that's that shocking that five years
from now they'll think he'd be better. He's only twenty seven.
That's what people forget. He's only twenty seven. In five
years he'll be thirty two. I mean he's seven footers
at thirty two. I know he's out on the perimeter
a lot, but so was Lebron not a seven footer.
But the way guys keep themselves in shape mentally, they
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expect to play longer. Let's just keep it real. I mean,
Tom Brady, even though it's football, has gotten a lot
of guys to start thinking they can play longer. And
guys are just in great shape. The training, the nutrition,
everything is better. And so I don't think that's out
of bounds to say in five years Yannis will still
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be the best player. But Gilbert Arenas, we've talked about
this before, and we talked about a Friday. A lot
of players seem to hate on Yannest, and we'll call
it hate because if you don't think he's a top
three player, if you mock the notion, now you might disagree.
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Kevin Durant is your type of guy, okay? Cool? U
Joe Lmbs your type of player? Okay cool? You think
they're better than Yannest? I mean, we can debate that,
but if you mock the notion like I don't, I
think Yannis is the best and I don't think Durant
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is the best player in the world. But I won't
mock the notion that Durant could be the best player
in the world. But if you mock it, then that's
disrespect for the yannest in my book. And JJ Reddick,
former player, said he wasn't in the top three. Uh. Andrea,
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what did Igua Dollar say about hey where she Wallace
would be better if he were playing today? Uh? And
the gilbert Us basically really ripped his skills to or
it skills the Shrends. Here's arenas he doubled down on
over the weekend on Yannis. Here's what he said. I
can look at his game and say he doesn't understand basketball,
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yet he plays the sport. He won a championship. Cool,
he doesn't really understand how to be great, how to
be better, how to train this body, Like you know,
I'm looking at the stats playing thirty two minutes, thirty
four minutes, thirty I'm sorry, but to be here, you
have to train your body to at least thirty eight
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minutes and above le Bron played thirty seven minutes at
thirty seven. That's a whole, like just that's a whole.
Iverson was playing forty three minutes, all right, foolishness, foolishness.
First of all, he used to play thirty six thirty
seven minutes again before Mike Boudenholzer got to Milwaukee. And
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where does booten holes are come from? San Antonio where
Popovich kept dunking for the last two thirds of his
career below like thirty four minutes. I mean, that's their philosophy.
It ain't. Yannis don't have the stamina to play thirty
seven minutes a night. Furthermore, he's putting up the best
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numbers in the NBA. Are you you want to say, yok?
You know his numbers are right there. His numbers are
superb in the fewer minutes last year thirty points, eleven
and a half boards, six assists in thirty three minutes
a game. And to say he doesn't understand how to
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be great, first of all, he's great. So he has
to understand how to be great because he is great,
and that's undeniable. And if you want to talk about hold,
what did dis improve first? Of all, three point shooting
has improved. He started his second year in the league
didn't shoot one three per game, and when he did
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shoot it, he shot sixteen percent. He's not a good
three point shooter, but he shoots it more. He shoots
about four a game now for the last three years,
and he's hitting thirty percent. Not good. I'm just saying
there's improvement there. Did Shock improve his three point shooting?
Did Shock improve his three three throws? Shots? Rebounds actually declined.
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I think I think the hate on Yannis has to
do with he's not He's not from here. I'm starting
to feel that you don't have that inner city swag
that Americans. He's a he's a foreigner, and he don't
you know, he didn't play in the school yard. He
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didn't go through what a lot of the other guys
have gone through. Like like I really believe, and it's
easy to discount him and dismiss him because he's not
of that ilk. He didn't play on the circuit with
the other guys, you know what I mean, you build
up camaraderie and respect for him, Chris. I really believe
that that's what it is, because the guy has done
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nothing bad or anything that to make you feel sideways
about him? What has he done? And then when everybody
ripped them because he stayed in Milwaukee, Just think about that, right,
what's he doing? He'll regret this stuff. Champion, He'll never win.
He's dumb, go to Miami, stayed in Milwaukee where nobody
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wants to be anyone. I don't get it. So I
have to think it has something to do with that,
not about his abilities, because Chris, you just said it.
The numbers don't warrant the negative attacks that he's getting.
His numbers are too good. He won back to back
MVPs before h Yoki has just won back to back
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and look mean something. Historically at this point, we'll see
where Yannis ends up. Historically, Lebron's better than Yannis. But
Yannis won a championship without a second superstar, you know,
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a second without a second superstar. Lebron's first championship he
had Duwayne Waite second one. I mean, I wouldn't call
Kyrie quite a superstar, but you know Kyrie was doing work.
Kevin Love was there and then Anthony Davis, so it
doesn't warrant it. Not only the numbers robbed, but the production,
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and again, where's improvement? How about getting to the free
throw line eleven times the game? Is that enough improvement
for you? Wasn't doing that when he entered the league. No.
I mean he's like you said, he's improved in areas
that were questionable, and shandles the ball better, Rob passes better.
He's not a great shooter. He's improving, but he's not
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a great shooter. But he's still a great player. And
I was talking about it, Robs. Some guys are fixiated
on skills. Oh what the handle the jump shot? I mean,
all of course, we all like skills, but at the
end of the day, it's about production. Nobody's raving about
Shock's skills and raving about his production Kareem for the
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most part. I mean, yeah, he could shoot jumpers and
things like that, but most of them. Look at the
most of the highlights you see from Kareem. It's gonna
be skyhook So couldn't nobody do nothing with it? So
I Rob, I think you. I was thinking that as
we were getting ready for this topic, But I think
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you might be right. Like it just seems like it's
some hate because he's not one of them outsiders. One
of them
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. So Lamar Jackson,
we've talked about him, both of us. I'll give Rob credit.
He was the first one to say, and I thought
it was a great idea that Lamar should sit out
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until he gets the fully demand, fully guaranteed contract. There's
he deserves it, you know, if Deshaun Watson can get one,
he deserves more money. He's been better on the field
obviously off the field, doesn't have those and resumes better. Yeah,
on the field, off the field, and he should get it.
So we think he should sit out. It doesn't appear
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that he will. I'd be shocked if he does. But
he did get on social media today on Twitter and
respond to some fans that gave us a little bit
of insight into what's going on with his negotiations, rob
Ge do share. Yeah, he was going back and forth
with a lot of lists, a lot of fans actually,
And after one Twitter user said the Ravens should give
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two hundred fifty million guaranteed and another one saying that
they already offered that, all Lamar says is no, they didn't.
Another guest says, as much as I love Lamar, fully
guaranteed deal would be bad business. Lamar replies, then you
don't love Lamar. Right, He's right. And the one that
really got Ravens fans upset is that somebody tweeted him,
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I can't wait to see you crying tears of joy
in Miami as we hoisted Lombardi Trophy and it's him
photoshopp in the Dolphins uniform. And then he liked it,
so that got people upset. Yeah, yeah, I could imagine
they don't want to see their quarterbacks somewhere. He liked
it and then texted it to the Ravens brain trust. Yes,
and said you better get on a stick, Chris. I'm
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gonna make a proclamation if this deal does come down
and he gets a fully guaranteed contract for the most
in the league, right right, right, It will be if Lamar.
If Lamar can pull this deal off, it will be
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and probably go down as the greatest contract achieved in
the NFL. And I'm gonna say this for this reason.
There's a couple of reasons why it would be a
because Chris, it's so hard to get a fully guaranteed contract.
We know that, and greater players like Patrick Mahomes and
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Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, those guys haven't been able to
do that. Right Kirk cut He's got a three year
deal for not that kind of money, but he got
a three year, fully guaranteed contract. Okay, this would be
a big, fully guaranteed contract for a quarterback. Number two,
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when you think about what how Lamar plays in his game,
where he's openness and and uh, there's always a potential
of him being hurt Chris, because he runs the football
and he's and and and turns up feel and uses
his body and his feet. That's another thing that he
would be fully guarantee protected it with a fully guaranteed
(03:37):
contract and could play and God forbid something happened, he'd
be taken care of. And number three, he has no agent,
he's able to negotiate He's a smart man. Look at
the land survey the land. This is what they're paying people.
You don't need an agent to figure that out. I'm
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better than Deshaun Watson. I mean more to the Ravens
because everything on that offense revolves around me. We've done nothing,
but when since I got there, I want a unanimous
MVP and I don't have to share four percent of
my earnings with an agent. It would be stupendous. It
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would be Bravo worthy. It would be the best contract
in NFL history. M M. Nice take. I don't hate it.
I don't hate the take. It's not a bad take.
Like you said, he doesn't have an agent, which we've
said I might be a mistake. Ain't to get that agent.
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But if he gets this done, to your point, it
would be, you know, the highest guaranteed contract in the
history of the league. It would change the landscape too,
meaning I think every great quarterback from here on out
will want a fully guarantee deal. That's another point, and
I left that out. This is what Patrick. We wanted
(05:04):
Patrick Mahomes to do, right, and this, this is what
we wanted after the Watson. But of course Kyler Murray
took a deal that wasn't fully guaranteed. And who was
the other guy who Rogers before Rodgers before? Now he
was what was before? It was before before Deshaun. There's
(05:25):
another quarterback who just signed It wasn't fully I thought
it was one more all right, Yeah, But here's the
one disagreement I have. I think, all things considered, and
I'm not I'm not saying this because it's necessarily admirable.
(05:48):
I'm just saying, with all the circumstances surrounding this player,
I gotta say, the best deal in NFL his three
has to be de Shaunt has to be de Shaunt.
When you already had a big time deal, right, it
(06:11):
wasn't like you needed another contract and you've got all
of this stuff hanging over you legally, all of this controversy.
You're going it was a chance you'd miss an entire season.
You won't even wouldn't even have played the first season
(06:32):
of the deal. Now you're gonna play was six of
the seventeen games. I think all that being considered for
him to get the besides Kirk Cousins, the first fully
guaranteed contract, Oh, by the way, the most guaranteed money
(06:53):
ever as well. I think Rob that has to go
down as the greatest contract. This would be great, But
Lamar hasn't. Isn't MVP. You know what I'm saying, Like this,
Sean as good as he's been, no one an MVP
hasn't led a team deep into the playoffs. Is last
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year he played there were won four games. But but
and he's got all this mess around him and he
gets a better deal than Mahomes, Rogers, Brady. That's all
I gotta say. That is the coup of the of
the century. If you were Yeah, but but I think
it was different from the standpoint. It wasn't with the
(07:37):
team that he was drafted. It was because he was
moving and because you had a team that was desperate.
That's why he was able to negotiate it. And I
get it, it is what he was able to put together.
But I'm saying for for uh Lamar to be able
to do this without an agent and playing the position
(08:01):
where you could say, if I'm the Ravens, I'm a
little squeamish like this guy. You know, I'm a little squeamish.
This guy could get hurt whatever, and we're gonna do
this for him. And put him out there and let
him do his thing and not ask him to change
how he plays. It would say a lot. So that's
what's what I say. It's Lamar. They're not as squeamish
as you have to be about Deshaun. No squeamish on
(08:25):
a whole other level. And remember I forgot this point,
Rob whist Lamar getting this year a million. I mean
they laid dotted all the eyes and cross all the
tea so when he was suspended, he wouldn't lose any
money hardly. So I gotta go with de Sean. I'm
(08:45):
not sapty lost. A bad statement, not a bad proclamation.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
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The Knicks, you really they signed RJ. Barrett four years,
one hundred and twenty million, could make it suffer for
them to get Donovan Mitchell. And you see this Now
we'll get to this deal a little bit later, but
(09:46):
you just think this is the Knicks being the Knicks
only from this standpoint, Chris, And this is what according
to ESPN's stats and information right Barrat's deal Chris ends
a remark bowl twenty three year drought by the Knicks.
He's the franchise's first draft pick to agree to a
(10:08):
multi year contract extension after his rookie deal since Charlie
Ward in nineteen ninety nine. That so, when people say, oh,
the Knicks occursed, No they're not. It has nothing to
do with curse or happenstance or anything else. It has
to do with bad management, bad draft choices, bad front
(10:30):
office people. That's why they've been bad. How in the world. Quiz.
Could you go twenty three years and not sign another
contract from a guy you drafted in the first round.
It doesn't even make sense. It's twenty three years. It's unbelievable.
Did you know I didn't even know that until I
saw that today. No, I didn't know that. Um, it
(10:52):
wasn't something I was thinking about. But right, if you
think about the Knicks best player since Patrick Ewing, latre
else pretty well, not their player, not home who was
a free agent? Yep, got him in free agency Stefan
and Marbury briefly, but that was a trade Carmelo Anthony,
trade of Mark Style of barn free agency. Who else?
(11:17):
It's got to be a just just that tells you well,
I mean, we just covered the last twenty years of
Nick's basketball. We named about four dudes that were worth naming,
but that Rob It's it's been a mess. Marcus Canby,
if you want to keep going back a little further,
(11:37):
he wasn't a homegrown product. Larry Johnson not homegrown. They
got him from Charlotte. You're right, like it has been
a mess. And we talk about the Dallas Cowboys and
rightly so right, a lot of people kids growing up, Like,
why in the world are they such a big deal? Like, really,
(11:58):
why haven't been in an NFC Championship games? Is ninety
five right right now? The Knicks aren't a big deal
unless you're in New York. But still I think, you
know because ESPN. You know this, rob because ESPN's in
the East, on the East Coast, a lot of people
from New York, the New York area end up working there.
(12:20):
If the Knicks are good, they will be all over ESPN,
all over sports. Yeah right, They're just never because ESPN
and the other flip side Christian you notice too is Boston,
Boston and New York or smack dab in the middle,
and ESPN's in Bristol, Connecticut. So a lot of people
have worked in both of those markets, both of those cities,
(12:42):
and there is a you know, Boston, New York a bias. Yeah,
but if they're any good, and obviously the Knicks haven't
been good, Yeah, it's just there's no defending what they
have done over the last two decades. It's as simple
as that. I do like the Barrett signing. Will get
(13:03):
to that a little bit later, but that I'm just saying, like,
like twenty three years is incredible. Fox Sports Radio has
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You and I talked Friday about Yannis. We both agree
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he's the best player in the world. And ESPN did
a poll of executives and I think it was also coaches,
executive scouts and coaches, fifteen of them across the league.
They asked for a series of topics, you know, best rookie,
what you're expecting, biggest surprises. They asked who is the
best player in the NBA right now? Yannis, of course,
(13:44):
was ty with Kadie last season as the best player
this year, it wasn't close. Eleven of fifteen pig Yannis.
So perhaps even more shocking, though, is they ask who's
gonna be the best guy five years from now? So
you think he'd be like Tatum or jar Luca. Nope,
Yannis again, So they expect at the executives, coaches, and scouts,
Yannis is the best player now and for the foreseeable future. Yeah,
(14:06):
and I don't think that's that shocking that five years
from now they'll think he'd be better. He's only twenty seven.
That's what people forget. He's only twenty seven. In five
years he'll be thirty two. I mean he's seven footers
at thirty two. I know he's out on the perimeter
a lot, but so was Lebron not a seven footer.
But the way guys keep themselves in shape mentally, they
(14:30):
expect to play longer. Let's just keep it real. I mean,
Tom Brady, even though it's football, has gotten a lot
of guys to start thinking they can play longer. And
guys are just in great shape. The training, the nutrition,
everything is better. And so I don't think that's out
of bounds to say in five years Yannis will still
(14:51):
be the best player. But Gilbert Arenas, we've talked about
this before, and we talked about a Friday. A lot
of players seem to hate on Yannest, and we'll call
it hate because if you don't think he's a top
three player, if you mock the notion, now you might disagree.
(15:11):
Kevin Durant is your type of guy, okay? Cool? U
Joe Lmbs your type of player? Okay cool? You think
they're better than Yannest? I mean, we can debate that,
but if you mock the notion like I don't, I
think Yannis is the best and I don't think Durant
(15:31):
is the best player in the world. But I won't
mock the notion that Durant could be the best player
in the world. But if you mock it, then that's
disrespect for the yannest in my book. And JJ Reddick,
former player, said he wasn't in the top three. Uh. Andrea,
(15:52):
what did Igua Dollar say about hey where she Wallace
would be better if he were playing today? Uh? And
the gilbert Us basically really ripped his skills to or
it skills the Shrends. Here's arenas he doubled down on
over the weekend on Yannis. Here's what he said. I
can look at his game and say he doesn't understand basketball,
(16:15):
yet he plays the sport. He won a championship. Cool,
he doesn't really understand how to be great, how to
be better, how to train this body, Like you know,
I'm looking at the stats playing thirty two minutes, thirty
four minutes, thirty I'm sorry, but to be here, you
have to train your body to at least thirty eight
(16:37):
minutes and above le Bron played thirty seven minutes at
thirty seven. That's a whole, like just that's a whole.
Iverson was playing forty three minutes, all right, foolishness, foolishness.
First of all, he used to play thirty six thirty
seven minutes again before Mike Boudenholzer got to Milwaukee. And
(16:59):
where does booten holes are come from? San Antonio where
Popovich kept dunking for the last two thirds of his
career below like thirty four minutes. I mean, that's their philosophy.
It ain't. Yannis don't have the stamina to play thirty
seven minutes a night. Furthermore, he's putting up the best
(17:20):
numbers in the NBA. Are you you want to say, yok?
You know his numbers are right there. His numbers are
superb in the fewer minutes last year thirty points, eleven
and a half boards, six assists in thirty three minutes
a game. And to say he doesn't understand how to
(17:41):
be great, first of all, he's great. So he has
to understand how to be great because he is great,
and that's undeniable. And if you want to talk about hold,
what did dis improve first? Of all, three point shooting
has improved. He started his second year in the league
didn't shoot one three per game, and when he did
(18:01):
shoot it, he shot sixteen percent. He's not a good
three point shooter, but he shoots it more. He shoots
about four a game now for the last three years,
and he's hitting thirty percent. Not good. I'm just saying
there's improvement there. Did Shock improve his three point shooting?
Did Shock improve his three three throws? Shots? Rebounds actually declined.
(18:24):
I think I think the hate on Yannis has to
do with he's not He's not from here. I'm starting
to feel that you don't have that inner city swag
that Americans. He's a he's a foreigner, and he don't
you know, he didn't play in the school yard. He
(18:45):
didn't go through what a lot of the other guys
have gone through. Like like I really believe, and it's
easy to discount him and dismiss him because he's not
of that ilk. He didn't play on the circuit with
the other guys, you know what I mean, you build
up camaraderie and respect for him, Chris. I really believe
that that's what it is, because the guy has done
(19:07):
nothing bad or anything that to make you feel sideways
about him? What has he done? And then when everybody
ripped them because he stayed in Milwaukee, Just think about that, right,
what's he doing? He'll regret this stuff. Champion, He'll never win.
He's dumb, go to Miami, stayed in Milwaukee where nobody
(19:31):
wants to be anyone. I don't get it. So I
have to think it has something to do with that,
not about his abilities, because Chris, you just said it.
The numbers don't warrant the negative attacks that he's getting.
His numbers are too good. He won back to back
MVPs before h Yoki has just won back to back
(19:55):
and look mean something. Historically at this point, we'll see
where Yannis ends up. Historically, Lebron's better than Yannis. But
Yannis won a championship without a second superstar, you know,
(20:16):
a second without a second superstar. Lebron's first championship he
had Duwayne Waite second one. I mean, I wouldn't call
Kyrie quite a superstar, but you know Kyrie was doing work.
Kevin Love was there and then Anthony Davis, so it
doesn't warrant it. Not only the numbers robbed, but the production,
(20:39):
and again, where's improvement? How about getting to the free
throw line eleven times the game? Is that enough improvement
for you? Wasn't doing that when he entered the league. No.
I mean he's like you said, he's improved in areas
that were questionable, and shandles the ball better, Rob passes better.
He's not a great shooter. He's improving, but he's not
(21:02):
a great shooter. But he's still a great player. And
I was talking about it, Robs. Some guys are fixiated
on skills. Oh what the handle the jump shot? I mean,
all of course, we all like skills, but at the
end of the day, it's about production. Nobody's raving about
Shock's skills and raving about his production Kareem for the
(21:27):
most part. I mean, yeah, he could shoot jumpers and
things like that, but most of them. Look at the
most of the highlights you see from Kareem. It's gonna
be skyhook So couldn't nobody do nothing with it? So
I Rob, I think you. I was thinking that as
we were getting ready for this topic, But I think
(21:48):
you might be right. Like it just seems like it's
some hate because he's not one of them outsiders. One
of them
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