September 10, 2024 • 32 mins
Chris and Rob discuss the embarrassing performance put on by the ‘vaunted’ New York Jets defense on Monday Night Football against the San Francisco 49ers, tell us if Brock Purdy has proven that he deserves to be talked about amongst the best quarterbacks in the NFL and explain why Jim Harbaugh is going to have a hard time winning a Super Bowl with such a run-heavy offense.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
We were on the air when this game started last night,
the New York Jets. You heard Isaac say that it
was what he say, the second most watched game on
Monday night football in quite some time.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And the Jets, of course.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Went down thirty two to nineteen in San Francisco to
the forty nine Ers. No surprise that they lost. It
would have been a surprise actually had they won. Wasn't
a close game.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And Aaron Rodgers was okay, he wasn't didn't look special,
he was fine first starting a year and a half.
We'll get to him later, but Rob, what were your
what was kind of your biggest takeaway from what we
saw last night from the Jets.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That everybody ballyhooed about how great their defense is.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
And they were a note show yesterday Chris Brussard eight
straight scoring drives that ain't no top ten defense, top
five defense, and they got run through like a hot
knife through Potter, Like, what did they do.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That was supposed to be their saving grace? Is the defense?
What was that other game last year? Black Friday? You know,
every Friday's Black Friday for US, Chris, But Black Friday
they got awed up to last year Miami, Miami exactly
similar score.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yes, and when they've had some games it's good. Their
defense was I mean you mentioned it. Thirty four to Miami,
thirty two to Buffalo, thirty to Dallas.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Some of that was defense. Scoring. They gave up.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Thirty seven to Cleveland, which was no offensive. You know,
Juggernaut thirty to Miami in the second game they played
against him. So maybe it's that they were really good
against but I can't.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Even say that. Well, let me give you this stat
they should They beat Philly in in Houston and held.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Them and Buffalo, remember to whatever, it was their first game.
But last year the Jets gave up twenty seven points
Chris seven times, the second worst defense in the league.
Right now, regard yeah, at Arizona. I'm just saying Arizona
was the worst defense. Arizona gave up twenty six point
eight per game, but the Jets did is seven times.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
They gave up twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And obviously they had those average games right right, because
the other games last year of the Jets gave up
four one hundred yards five times. The worst defense Washington
gave up an average of three hundred and eighty nine
Chris per game, and obviously we said five.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Out of Yeah, that's not their average.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And statistically the Jets were either like one of the
best or worst on a week to week basis, and
they're not always that consistent. I just think like the
one part that was supposed to be there, and I'm
not Chris, I'm with you. They were four and a
half point underdogs and and you know, that would have
been a big win. Aaron Rodgers hadn't played over a
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year and all the other stuff that had gone on
like that would have been a huge statement win if
they would have won that game.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But the defense was was woefully disappointing.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It just was really eight straight possessions, Chris, that's that's bad.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, the defense was a no show.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I mean, if you want to look at the glass
half full, you can say, well, they held into a
lot of field goals.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I think they had six field goals.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But that was supposed to be the strength of this
team and it and I still think you can now
we'll see also robbed. One of the winners yesterday was
a sign Reddick, who's holding out for a new contract
with the Jets, and the Jets I don't think they'll
pay him this week. I think they'll, you know, see
how things go in their next few games. But what
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I will say about the Jets rob and her soign Reddick,
is that they're in win now mode.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
They obviously right like.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
This year and you neither you nor I think they're
gonna win the super Bowl even in the next two years.
But for them, it's we're going for the super Bowl
this year. We're going for the super Bowl next year,
assuming Aaron Rodgers is here. And so if that's the case,
and you really need to look at it like this year,
because like I said, we'll get into Aaron Rodgers, but
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he didn't look phenomenal, all right, and so you have
to go for it this year, and if that means
paying his sign Reddick, then pay them, but get him
on the field.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It doesn't make any sense, like, no, you can't. What
are you saving for? Right, And it's not a fivere plan.
It's just outrageous to even be playing this game because
you need to be oh and three to decide that
you're gonna pay right, Is that what you need to
start the season?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Oh and three?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Because if they if this is not a good season
by and by that I mean like they don't make
the playoffs, then Salah, Joe Douglas, the whole regime is
probably gone, is probably gone, and so they need to
do everything they can to make the playoffs and you know,
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have the best season they can. But you're right, defensively,
they didn't show up, and Rob, here's how bad it was.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Defensively. Christian mccafvey didn't even play right.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So Jordan Mason, who was an undrafted running back, now
that doesn't mean he can't run the ball. Isaiah Pacheco
was the seventh round draft pick. We've seen undrafted running backs,
you know, and even players in general, you know, have
some success in the league, so he obviously can run
the football. Last night, he had twenty eight carriers for
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one hundred and forty seven yards. But again, that came
without Christian McCaffrey, who was regarded by most as the
best running back in the league. And they still had
their way, right, they still had their way. Now the Jets, Rob,
they they got Tennessee next week.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
That's a game.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
If they don't beat Tennessee, then it's time to really
it might be time.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
To hit the panic button. No, I agree.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I mean if that that is, I don't know what
the spread that We don't know what the spread is
for that game yet, Rob, g we do.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
But if that's not that should be an books book, Chris.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
The good news for them, Rob, they got Tennessee, then
New England. Now Tennessee of course is Sunday on short rest,
but then they get New England on Thursday, so their
next two games will be short rest. That's challenging. However,
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they're not very good teams, and then you got Denver
and Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
So Rob, if they're what people a.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Lot, especially people in New York have expected them to be,
and I expect them to win the division, that's that
was my pick.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We'll see if they do. But if they're what.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
People think they are, thought they were then they should
be four and.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
One Jets three and a half. Christ in that game
against the time, So you know, three points is usually
you know.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
What, and it's at Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Get three at home at home usually really a six
point game, six and a half, three and a half.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So yeah, I mean, but you're right. The defense was
not what it was expected to be. And Robert Sala,
who I look, I do think is a good certainly
a good defensive coach. I don't think he's really had
a chance to prove whether or not he's a good
coach overall because he's had such abysmal quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Right like he's won.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I give him credit for winning seven games each of
the last two years with Zach Wilson, Mike White, Joe Flacco.
Now Flacco redeemed himself last year in Cleveland, but still
Flaco is not you know anything the right home about
at this point. And you know he was able to
win some games last year. You mentioned beat Buffalo, they
beat Philly, they beat Houston, But now, nope, that's not
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gonna save your job. Now is the time for you
to get it done. Your guys are healthy, and so
everybody's looking at Salah and his job is literally on
the line right about.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It is on live support. He just is like, he's, okay,
here's your defense. You're a defensive coach, and now you
got your quarterback, and here's where people want to see
what you can put together.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
We get it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
No one's saying that they shouldn't want in San Francisco
or Santa Clara or wherever it is, Chris, you know
what's saying that. But for the defense to be a
no show is a little support for me.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
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Speaker 3 (10:10):
All right, Rob, we were talking earlier about last night's
forty nine Ers demolition of the Jets, and we talked
about the Jets defense that really struggled, particularly against the run.
Jordan Mason, an undrafted player running back filling in for
Christian McCaffrey and going for a buck forty seven is
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not what's supposed to happen to a Jets defense that
had been touted as one of the best in the league.
But also playing a big role in demolishing the Jets
defense was Brock Perty nineteen for twenty nine overall two
hundred and thirty one yards. It's not a spectacular statistical night,
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but if you watch the game, he just surgically kind
of picked a part the Jets. He had four passes
that were twenty plus air yards completions and one that
was thirty plus air yards and a touchdown dropped by
his best receiver, Brandon ayuk Auk. Actually was very rusty.
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Rob dropped to two passes last night. He of course
sat out pretty much the whole training camp.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I mean, he's got work to catch up on.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, those are balls of the touchdown he catches, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And as much as you know you might say, oh
those hurts parties, numbers or whatever, ayuk is, believe me,
he is kicking himself, you know, because these guys, and
I don't know, I'm not blaming that, not saying this
in a negative way. They want to rack up numbers, Rob.
They want to be all pro, you know, they want to,
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you know, do all these great things, get all these accolades.
And that is a play that you know you won't
get back. And if you get ten touchdowns this year,
you should have had eleven. You get six, you should
have had seven, whatever it might be. So I'm sure
that's eating him up and he'll he'll rectify that, I
would imagine, and and get back in the lab and
be ready next week. Because he he only dropped two
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balls all last season, and he's dropped He dropped two.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That's what I read. That's what I read. Two balls. Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, Yeah, Ik is tough. He I think he's their
best receiver. Although I will say Deebo showed the little
the old debo last night.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, because people were talking last year that he wasn't
remember he wasn't really a factory.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Been banged up a little bit, Yeah yeah, and uh
he played well. But here's what I want to get to,
because I mean, I like Brock Purdy, he's obviously been
incredibly productive.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I think you've given him his props to when he's
when he's done it, Chris absolutely like which.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He I mean, there's really nothing nobody's saying he's Mahomes
or Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Or anything like that. And he'll never be able to
escape like his place. I believe this.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Meaning like just what like people being indifferent about him
until he real super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Oh okay, I thought I totally won the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, no, no, okay, because because that's just that's where
you are, like the Brock Proty era, Chris. If if
he has a zetego, he plays well the next two
or three years and they don't win and the have
to undo the team, it'll be like he was Tony Romo,
you know what I mean, like like well, like.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He's been better, I mean a lot more than Tony
I know, but people will never give him like like
they they he needs to win a super Bowl. I
agree that as long as he doesn't have the Super Bowl,
and they're obviously people have come around a lot. He
was fourth in MVP voting, so you know he's getting
respect in a lot of corners with but there are
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those doubters out there, You're right, and now like, he
won't get rid of all the doubters probably until he
wins the Super Bowl. And one thing a lot of
people say, and I think you've said it too, Rob,
is that because Jimmy Garoppolo, who everybody acknowledges was not
as good as Party, but you know he was able
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to go to San Francisco turned him around and obviously
win a lot of games. But because he got the
Niners to the Super Bowl as a good quarterback but
not a great quarterback, people are like, yeah, okay, Party's
had a lot of success, but this team already the
team right right, with or without him, they have success.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And then look at the people around him.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And the flip is Joe Burrow, Chris, the reverse right
is Joe Burrow. The Bengals couldn't win a playoff game, right, right?
They had good teams they went on in seven right
in the playoffs, right, and I mean he and then
Joe Burrow shows up his second year, after he played
six or seven games rookie year and they were in
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the Super Bowl's.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And Burrow, Now, in fairness, Burrow did have a lot
of weapons too. He didn't have a great franchise he
was playing. But that's what I'm saying is like, but
he he had t Higgins, he had Tyler Boy, he
had Joe Mixon in the backfield, like, he had a
lot of weapons too.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
But I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But here's what I want to ask Rob, and this
is not meant to be a slight at all on
Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I he's great.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I have no problem with people viewing him as the
best running back in the league.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You know, it depends on what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's obviously been Derrick Henry if you're just talking about
straight running, but running and past receiving, McCaffrey's been the
best the last couple of years. But here's the thing,
and obviously last night they didn't miss him and an
undrafted player runs for one hundred and forty seven yards.
I'm just saying, like this shadow that kind.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Of hovers over.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Because Jimmy Garoppolo got them to the Super Bowl. Why
doesn't that hover over McCaffrey, because remember, they ran the
ball really well without him as soon as they got good,
which was pretty much when Jimmy G got there and
Kyle Shanahan's calling the plays and they run a lot
of play action and the run game is important in
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this offense.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
They've always run.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
The ball well even with that, before Christian McCaffrey got there,
raheem mostered.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Remember you remember they literally ran to the Super Bowl,
ran Bay and the.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Absolutely they what Jimmy G threw it eight times in
a playoff game and in the Super Bowl they were
having their way against Kansas City and.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Throw the football. We talked about him before with that.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But most are five and a half yards of carried
a year, they go to the Super Bowl, Matt Breed
of five yards of carried.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
They both combined for about fourteen hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Get it right, Elijah Elijah.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Oh, Elijah Mitchell. You know Jeff Wilson.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
They've had good running backs and Moster goes to Miami
last year and makes the Pro Bowl. So what I'm saying, Rob,
is I get that McCaffrey was great in college.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He was a high I think it was a high draft.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, he was great, right, and he made a couple
of all pro teams with the Panthers, so he he
was already record yeah yeah, yeah, And he was an
eighth pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
See that's the difference between him and party, is that, right.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Purty doesn't have anything prior right from the before the
forty nine ers to feel that way about him, whereas
McCaffrey was like, no, before he got to the forty
nine ers, the dude was balling out.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
He just kept getting hurt. That was his main problem.
And I get that, and that's fair, but it does
feel like.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It's more perception than maybe reality, because.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I thought last night, and.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Everybody talks about it's everybody but Purdy, Right, it's Debo
and Kittle and McCaffrey and Iyuk, And last night I
thought it looked like all those guys are still great.
Don't get me wrong, but Purdy was the dude getting
it done. And we've seen that in playoff games. I mean,
he led them back against Green Bay and Detroit.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
You know, so I just think you may be right.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I mean, he's not going to get the full credit
because he was mister irrelevant until he wins the.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Super Bowl, and it's mister irrelevant and that the team
had prior to success. It's not just mister irrelevant because
we talk about it all the time. Chris kirk Warner
wasn't mister irrelevant, but he was bagging grown.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
It was worse. He didn't even get drafted.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Exactly bad groceries and playing in the Arena Football League
or something, right, and he wanted not one of the
m v P and the and the right and the
Super Bowl MVP. Right, he was unbelieble out of nowhere,
out of nowhere, so.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And lifted that team right, And I agree with all that, right,
and it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It's I can't say it's unfair.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I mean, you got to give the dude props for
the production he's had, but I get the perception. It's
just you know, there's some guys that we were great
in college get drafted. Like I always say it, Ron,
if party was drafted in the first round, heck, if
he was drafted.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And the third right.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Having a conversation, everybody'd already be thinking he's great.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yep, everybody. I agree. I think that your draft position
does have something to do with it. Uh, And we
know that Joe Montana and Tom Brady weren't drafted high
Chris or whatever, Brady six round, but they came from
storied schools, you know what I mean, and had a
bit of a pedigree even though they weren't they did,
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you know what, and that's what came. Brady came from Michigan, right,
Joe Montell came from Dame, like from Iowa, came from
southern Connecticut or something technical, agrico whatever.
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Speaker 4 (20:32):
Jim Harbaugh and the LA Charters. Now.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Harbaugh returned to the NFL, of course, this season as
the first year coach of the Chargers, and they won
their opener twenty two to ten over the Las Vegas
Raiders and mayn they ran all over the Raiders, who
have a good defense, ran for one hundred and seventy
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six yards on twenty twenty seven carries.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That's pretty efficient, but justin.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Herbert the Great strong arm quarterback was seventeen for twenty
six through twenty six passes right and through four hundred
and forty four yards one touchdown, third lowest and third
lowest output yards wise in his entire career of about
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sixty three games. So that was definitely something that we're
going to talk about and get into. Let me say
what Herbert said though after the game. Herbert was all smiles.
Here's what he said. To have a guy talking about
Harball leading the charge like that, and the locker room
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that buys in and follows him, you know, it's a
special day as well for him to get his first win.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
We'll take as many as we can.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Your thoughts, rap, I mean, when you win, Chris, of
course you just got to. You know, hey, it was great,
everything's cool. I just don't understand. And I understand. I
understand that Harball ran the ball at Michigan, they won
the National Championship. I get all that. In this man's
NFL with a quarterback of Justin Herbert's caliber, I just
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can't see it, Like, what is the purpose of having
him if this is what you're going to do to him,
which is to diminish his value. And I'm not saying, Chris,
you can't have a running game and a quarterback or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
But this seems like this is his plan.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
The first thing he did got rid of all the receivers, right,
added yeah, and then added the running backs running the football.
I'm not against running the football. I just don't know
how if you're trying to win big time if it works.
Even when he had Colin Kaepernick with the forty nine,
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they had success, Chris, they didn't win a championship.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I'm not saying that that's the only way, right.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
They got the Super Bowl. They lost to Baltimore and
his brother, and I get all that. And Jim Harbor
had really good success in San Francisco. They won a
lot of games. But if I'm Justin Herbert, I'm not
with it. I'm just not I'm not saying I don't
want to balance attack or whatever, but one hundred and
forty something yards and this is not their old coach,
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and Brandon Staley Harball is a better coach than him. Okay,
so it ain't even I'm not even putting them in
the same sentence, Chris, But to abandon, like, what do
you need Justin Herbert for? If you just need somebody
to throw the ball occasionally, Chris on third down long?
You know, passing plays that you can't run for a
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first down. Essentially, Justin Herbert has all the tools. Two
years ago, me and you look dumbfounded when they had
Justin Herbert ahead of Patrick Mahomes in the preseason. You
remember quarterback pole.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's crazy. But that's how much it is.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right, that's how much talent they believe he has and
what kind of quarterback he can be. Last year, I've
said it. He took a step back last year, yep.
Because you remember chrisy had all the turnovers late in
the games.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I remember what was that Cowboy game?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
He threw a pick late right that cost him the game,
and there were a couple of those moments. That's all
I just go get Gardner Minshew or whatever. Go get
one of those quarterbacks. If that's all you're gonna do
is have somebody hand the ball off to the running
backs and throwing the third down every so often.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't get it. I think Jim Harball is making
a mistake here.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I think what he's trying to do, Rob and I
agree with a lot of what you said. I mean,
seventeen for twenty six, one hundred and forty four yards
for Justin Herbert. All right, this is a guy in
Herbert who has a rookie Rob averaged two hundred and
eighty nine yards a game passing next year two ninety
five for his heck, he's two hundred and seventy six
(25:01):
yards a game, all right, So you're absolutely right, this
is a guy that can be a prolific passer. However,
I we know he hasn't had much success as far
as winning games, and a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Both you and I.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
We put on brandons name, no doubt, Chris a game
that they could have won. He saw that where he
just uh, you know, put the tabard on situations.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Absolutely, but the fact is that in his previous four seasons,
Herbert's made the playoffs once and lost that game. And
so I think Herbert right now just wants to win,
just wants to win something. And so that's why I
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think right now, Rob, he is willing to go along
with it now because he's winning now.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I will say this, when you have the ability. I've
used this to illustration with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
If I'm an NBA player, Robin, I can average twenty
five points a game and win. I don't want to
average fifteen because I can win average in twenty five.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I want to play to my highest potential.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Patrick Mahomes won the Super Bowl last year but said
it wasn't that fun. Not the super Bowl game itself
for winning it, but just the season where we know
he had probably his worst season as an NFL player, right,
and he wants to get back to being able to
throw long, to being able to put up huge numbers.
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And I ain't mad at him in the least. In fact,
I want to see him do it. I want to
see Herbert do it. You want to see the players
with star potential play to their maximum ability.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And that's what I'm saying. You're dummying down justin Herbert
for no reason, Chris.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well, I don't know that it's no reason, though, But
what I would say is I think he's trying to
set a culture where we do run the football.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And I think as time goes on.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Particularly in the future, like like coming years and seasons,
but I even think progressively this season you will see
more and more passing from Herbert.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
And opening things up. This is my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I could be wrong, but I just think they want
to set a tone, change the culture. We're a tough
hard nosed team. We're gonna play hard nose football. We're
gonna be able to beat you up physically. And then
once they establish that, then New start throwing the ball more.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
That's what I think they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, I'm not convinced that that's the game plan. He
wruns the football, Chris. That's how I want you know
what I mean, that's his thing. They wanted Michigan at Michigan,
and I get it. Something works for you. You're like, that's
what I want to do. I'm gonna run the football
and change and change the way things are done. It
just that JJ McCarthy right at Michigan. Yeah, he won't
(28:04):
Justin Herber. Okay, that's what he won't Justin Herbert. And
if he was, we wouldn't have known it exactly. Do
you see what I'm saying Like this, No, I get it.
There there are quarterbacks you have, Chris, where I understand
why you're not throwing.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
The ball a lot. I do. I get that.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But that's why I'm saying, it's got to be to
set a culture. It can't be or you're just gonna
end up trading Justin Herbert and you could get a
ton for it, but I think he's a quarterback you
want to keep. But you go there, you see, we
have they have it won. So we need to change
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the culture, We need to change things.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
But Rob, if.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He's planning on doing this all season long, then I
think that I agree with you, it's a mistake. But
I do think like Herbert's not gonna be throwing it
like he did in the past.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
No, no, no, that's obvious, right, I agree with that, and
it'll just be interesting. It's okay, Chris, when you win
and you beat the Raiders and Herbert has one hundred
and forty four yards, right, But if they lose and
they can't get much going, then then the narrative will
change and then people will start saying, what are you
(29:15):
doing with justin Herbert?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
How come he's not throwing the football? It doesn't make
any sense to me, that's all. It's easy.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Like I say, when you win, Chris, winning covers everything.
It's the makeup that's deodorant. Absolutely, you win. Hard to
argue with anybody on that day, right, But.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I just think though that they can win. And I
was torn.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Between them and the Dolphins for my last playoff spot
in the AFC, so they might make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
There's no question about it. They got a good chance
to make the playoffs. You won't win a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I don't believe in today's NFL you won't win a
super Bowl. Throwing it so sparingly. Now, you can make
the playoffs, you can be good. But I don't think
Rob you can win a super Bowl if you don't
throw the football, not with the other quarterbacks that you're
gonna play against. I just don't, especially in the AFC,
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you don't get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Because everything is going to be a process to march
down the field, eat the clock to try to score,
and they're throwing a pass down field or whatever and
scoring in ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I'm just saying, like, like, one thing they.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Do have going for them is that they can throw
the football like you. It's not a situation where you
have a quarterback that can't throw, so we're just gonna
be running, that's all we gonna do. It's a situation
where you have a guy that can throw the football
and you're choosing to run. And that's different because defense
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has to stay honest and always be aware of you
throwing the football. What I would see, and I told
you what I envisioned, what I think the vision has
to be. But I just think over time, Rob they'll
add better receivers. I mean they got you know they
got they did, right, I mean Mike Williams though was
always heard, he's now with the Jets and was hurt
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last night.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Keenan Moore, Keenan Allen's getting a little bit older. So
you know, I get it. You got Lab McConkie and
and Quinton Johnson, some of these guys.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Fil McConkie, remember fil McConkie with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, I have no idea, but you know that's what
I think they gotta do because I I agree with
you in that I don't think you'll win the ultimate prize. Now,
we even talked about Baltimore. Obviously last year they should
have ran more against uh Kansas City, but you still
they still threw the football. I mean, they threw it
(31:56):
too much. But they they're going to throw the football.
They're not just gonna run and they encounter on Lamar
to just get one hundred and forty four yards unless
they got a running quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
That's a difference too. Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
We were on the air when this game started last night,
the New York Jets. You heard Isaac say that it
was what he say, the second most watched game on
Monday night football in quite some time.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And the Jets, of course.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Went down thirty two to nineteen in San Francisco to
the forty nine Ers. No surprise that they lost. It
would have been a surprise actually had they won. Wasn't
a close game.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And Aaron Rodgers was okay, he wasn't didn't look special,
he was fine first starting a year and a half.
We'll get to him later, but Rob, what were your
what was kind of your biggest takeaway from what we
saw last night from the Jets.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That everybody ballyhooed about how great their defense is.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
And they were a note show yesterday Chris Brussard eight
straight scoring drives that ain't no top ten defense, top
five defense, and they got run through like a hot
knife through Potter, Like, what did they do.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That was supposed to be their saving grace? Is the defense?
What was that other game last year? Black Friday? You know,
every Friday's Black Friday for US, Chris, But Black Friday
they got awed up to last year Miami, Miami exactly
similar score.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yes, and when they've had some games it's good. Their
defense was I mean you mentioned it. Thirty four to Miami,
thirty two to Buffalo, thirty to Dallas.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Some of that was defense. Scoring. They gave up.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Thirty seven to Cleveland, which was no offensive. You know,
Juggernaut thirty to Miami in the second game they played
against him. So maybe it's that they were really good
against but I can't.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Even say that. Well, let me give you this stat
they should They beat Philly in in Houston and held.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Them and Buffalo, remember to whatever, it was their first game.
But last year the Jets gave up twenty seven points
Chris seven times, the second worst defense in the league.
Right now, regard yeah, at Arizona. I'm just saying Arizona
was the worst defense. Arizona gave up twenty six point
eight per game, but the Jets did is seven times.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
They gave up twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And obviously they had those average games right right, because
the other games last year of the Jets gave up
four one hundred yards five times. The worst defense Washington
gave up an average of three hundred and eighty nine
Chris per game, and obviously we said five.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Out of Yeah, that's not their average.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And statistically the Jets were either like one of the
best or worst on a week to week basis, and
they're not always that consistent. I just think like the
one part that was supposed to be there, and I'm
not Chris, I'm with you. They were four and a
half point underdogs and and you know, that would have
been a big win. Aaron Rodgers hadn't played over a
(03:34):
year and all the other stuff that had gone on
like that would have been a huge statement win if
they would have won that game.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But the defense was was woefully disappointing.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It just was really eight straight possessions, Chris, that's that's bad.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, the defense was a no show.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I mean, if you want to look at the glass
half full, you can say, well, they held into a
lot of field goals.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I think they had six field goals.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But that was supposed to be the strength of this
team and it and I still think you can now
we'll see also robbed. One of the winners yesterday was
a sign Reddick, who's holding out for a new contract
with the Jets, and the Jets I don't think they'll
pay him this week. I think they'll, you know, see
how things go in their next few games. But what
(04:28):
I will say about the Jets rob and her soign Reddick,
is that they're in win now mode.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
They obviously right like.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
This year and you neither you nor I think they're
gonna win the super Bowl even in the next two years.
But for them, it's we're going for the super Bowl
this year. We're going for the super Bowl next year,
assuming Aaron Rodgers is here. And so if that's the case,
and you really need to look at it like this year,
because like I said, we'll get into Aaron Rodgers, but
(04:57):
he didn't look phenomenal, all right, and so you have
to go for it this year, and if that means
paying his sign Reddick, then pay them, but get him
on the field.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It doesn't make any sense, like, no, you can't. What
are you saving for? Right, And it's not a fivere plan.
It's just outrageous to even be playing this game because
you need to be oh and three to decide that
you're gonna pay right, Is that what you need to
start the season?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Oh and three?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Because if they if this is not a good season
by and by that I mean like they don't make
the playoffs, then Salah, Joe Douglas, the whole regime is
probably gone, is probably gone, and so they need to
do everything they can to make the playoffs and you know,
(05:47):
have the best season they can. But you're right, defensively,
they didn't show up, and Rob, here's how bad it was.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Defensively. Christian mccafvey didn't even play right.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So Jordan Mason, who was an undrafted running back, now
that doesn't mean he can't run the ball. Isaiah Pacheco
was the seventh round draft pick. We've seen undrafted running backs,
you know, and even players in general, you know, have
some success in the league, so he obviously can run
the football. Last night, he had twenty eight carriers for
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one hundred and forty seven yards. But again, that came
without Christian McCaffrey, who was regarded by most as the
best running back in the league. And they still had
their way, right, they still had their way. Now the Jets, Rob,
they they got Tennessee next week.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
That's a game.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
If they don't beat Tennessee, then it's time to really
it might be time.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
To hit the panic button. No, I agree.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I mean if that that is, I don't know what
the spread that We don't know what the spread is
for that game yet, Rob, g we do.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
But if that's not that should be an books book, Chris.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
The good news for them, Rob, they got Tennessee, then
New England. Now Tennessee of course is Sunday on short rest,
but then they get New England on Thursday, so their
next two games will be short rest. That's challenging. However,
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they're not very good teams, and then you got Denver
and Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
So Rob, if they're what people a.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Lot, especially people in New York have expected them to be,
and I expect them to win the division, that's that
was my pick.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We'll see if they do. But if they're what.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
People think they are, thought they were then they should
be four and.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
One Jets three and a half. Christ in that game
against the time, So you know, three points is usually
you know.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
What, and it's at Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Get three at home at home usually really a six
point game, six and a half, three and a half.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So yeah, I mean, but you're right. The defense was
not what it was expected to be. And Robert Sala,
who I look, I do think is a good certainly
a good defensive coach. I don't think he's really had
a chance to prove whether or not he's a good
coach overall because he's had such abysmal quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Right like he's won.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I give him credit for winning seven games each of
the last two years with Zach Wilson, Mike White, Joe Flacco.
Now Flacco redeemed himself last year in Cleveland, but still
Flaco is not you know anything the right home about
at this point. And you know he was able to
win some games last year. You mentioned beat Buffalo, they
beat Philly, they beat Houston, But now, nope, that's not
(08:46):
gonna save your job. Now is the time for you
to get it done. Your guys are healthy, and so
everybody's looking at Salah and his job is literally on
the line right about.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It is on live support. He just is like, he's, okay,
here's your defense. You're a defensive coach, and now you
got your quarterback, and here's where people want to see
what you can put together.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
We get it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
No one's saying that they shouldn't want in San Francisco
or Santa Clara or wherever it is, Chris, you know
what's saying that. But for the defense to be a
no show is a little support for me.
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That's all.
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Speaker 3 (10:10):
All right, Rob, we were talking earlier about last night's
forty nine Ers demolition of the Jets, and we talked
about the Jets defense that really struggled, particularly against the run.
Jordan Mason, an undrafted player running back filling in for
Christian McCaffrey and going for a buck forty seven is
(10:34):
not what's supposed to happen to a Jets defense that
had been touted as one of the best in the league.
But also playing a big role in demolishing the Jets
defense was Brock Perty nineteen for twenty nine overall two
hundred and thirty one yards. It's not a spectacular statistical night,
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but if you watch the game, he just surgically kind
of picked a part the Jets. He had four passes
that were twenty plus air yards completions and one that
was thirty plus air yards and a touchdown dropped by
his best receiver, Brandon ayuk Auk. Actually was very rusty.
(11:16):
Rob dropped to two passes last night. He of course
sat out pretty much the whole training camp.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I mean, he's got work to catch up on.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, those are balls of the touchdown he catches, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And as much as you know you might say, oh
those hurts parties, numbers or whatever, ayuk is, believe me,
he is kicking himself, you know, because these guys, and
I don't know, I'm not blaming that, not saying this
in a negative way. They want to rack up numbers, Rob.
They want to be all pro, you know, they want to,
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you know, do all these great things, get all these accolades.
And that is a play that you know you won't
get back. And if you get ten touchdowns this year,
you should have had eleven. You get six, you should
have had seven, whatever it might be. So I'm sure
that's eating him up and he'll he'll rectify that, I
would imagine, and and get back in the lab and
be ready next week. Because he he only dropped two
(12:14):
balls all last season, and he's dropped He dropped two.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That's what I read. That's what I read. Two balls. Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, Yeah, Ik is tough. He I think he's their
best receiver. Although I will say Deebo showed the little
the old debo last night.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, because people were talking last year that he wasn't
remember he wasn't really a factory.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Been banged up a little bit, Yeah yeah, and uh
he played well. But here's what I want to get to,
because I mean, I like Brock Purdy, he's obviously been
incredibly productive.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I think you've given him his props to when he's
when he's done it, Chris absolutely like which.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He I mean, there's really nothing nobody's saying he's Mahomes
or Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Or anything like that. And he'll never be able to
escape like his place. I believe this.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Meaning like just what like people being indifferent about him
until he real super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Oh okay, I thought I totally won the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, no, no, okay, because because that's just that's where
you are, like the Brock Proty era, Chris. If if
he has a zetego, he plays well the next two
or three years and they don't win and the have
to undo the team, it'll be like he was Tony Romo,
you know what I mean, like like well, like.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He's been better, I mean a lot more than Tony
I know, but people will never give him like like
they they he needs to win a super Bowl. I
agree that as long as he doesn't have the Super Bowl,
and they're obviously people have come around a lot. He
was fourth in MVP voting, so you know he's getting
respect in a lot of corners with but there are
(13:55):
those doubters out there, You're right, and now like, he
won't get rid of all the doubters probably until he
wins the Super Bowl. And one thing a lot of
people say, and I think you've said it too, Rob,
is that because Jimmy Garoppolo, who everybody acknowledges was not
as good as Party, but you know he was able
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to go to San Francisco turned him around and obviously
win a lot of games. But because he got the
Niners to the Super Bowl as a good quarterback but
not a great quarterback, people are like, yeah, okay, Party's
had a lot of success, but this team already the
team right right, with or without him, they have success.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And then look at the people around him.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And the flip is Joe Burrow, Chris, the reverse right
is Joe Burrow. The Bengals couldn't win a playoff game, right, right?
They had good teams they went on in seven right
in the playoffs, right, and I mean he and then
Joe Burrow shows up his second year, after he played
six or seven games rookie year and they were in
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the Super Bowl's.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And Burrow, Now, in fairness, Burrow did have a lot
of weapons too. He didn't have a great franchise he
was playing. But that's what I'm saying is like, but
he he had t Higgins, he had Tyler Boy, he
had Joe Mixon in the backfield, like, he had a
lot of weapons too.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
But I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But here's what I want to ask Rob, and this
is not meant to be a slight at all on
Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I he's great.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I have no problem with people viewing him as the
best running back in the league.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You know, it depends on what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's obviously been Derrick Henry if you're just talking about
straight running, but running and past receiving, McCaffrey's been the
best the last couple of years. But here's the thing,
and obviously last night they didn't miss him and an
undrafted player runs for one hundred and forty seven yards.
I'm just saying, like this shadow that kind.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Of hovers over.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Because Jimmy Garoppolo got them to the Super Bowl. Why
doesn't that hover over McCaffrey, because remember, they ran the
ball really well without him as soon as they got good,
which was pretty much when Jimmy G got there and
Kyle Shanahan's calling the plays and they run a lot
of play action and the run game is important in
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this offense.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
They've always run.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
The ball well even with that, before Christian McCaffrey got there,
raheem mostered.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Remember you remember they literally ran to the Super Bowl,
ran Bay and the.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Absolutely they what Jimmy G threw it eight times in
a playoff game and in the Super Bowl they were
having their way against Kansas City and.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Throw the football. We talked about him before with that.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But most are five and a half yards of carried
a year, they go to the Super Bowl, Matt Breed
of five yards of carried.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
They both combined for about fourteen hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Get it right, Elijah Elijah.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Oh, Elijah Mitchell. You know Jeff Wilson.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
They've had good running backs and Moster goes to Miami
last year and makes the Pro Bowl. So what I'm saying, Rob,
is I get that McCaffrey was great in college.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He was a high I think it was a high draft.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, he was great, right, and he made a couple
of all pro teams with the Panthers, so he he
was already record yeah yeah, yeah, And he was an
eighth pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
See that's the difference between him and party, is that, right.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Purty doesn't have anything prior right from the before the
forty nine ers to feel that way about him, whereas
McCaffrey was like, no, before he got to the forty
nine ers, the dude was balling out.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
He just kept getting hurt. That was his main problem.
And I get that, and that's fair, but it does
feel like.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It's more perception than maybe reality, because.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I thought last night, and.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Everybody talks about it's everybody but Purdy, Right, it's Debo
and Kittle and McCaffrey and Iyuk, And last night I
thought it looked like all those guys are still great.
Don't get me wrong, but Purdy was the dude getting
it done. And we've seen that in playoff games. I mean,
he led them back against Green Bay and Detroit.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
You know, so I just think you may be right.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I mean, he's not going to get the full credit
because he was mister irrelevant until he wins the.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Super Bowl, and it's mister irrelevant and that the team
had prior to success. It's not just mister irrelevant because
we talk about it all the time. Chris kirk Warner
wasn't mister irrelevant, but he was bagging grown.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
It was worse. He didn't even get drafted.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Exactly bad groceries and playing in the Arena Football League
or something, right, and he wanted not one of the
m v P and the and the right and the
Super Bowl MVP. Right, he was unbelieble out of nowhere,
out of nowhere, so.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And lifted that team right, And I agree with all that, right,
and it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It's I can't say it's unfair.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I mean, you got to give the dude props for
the production he's had, but I get the perception. It's
just you know, there's some guys that we were great
in college get drafted. Like I always say it, Ron,
if party was drafted in the first round, heck, if
he was drafted.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And the third right.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Having a conversation, everybody'd already be thinking he's great.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yep, everybody. I agree. I think that your draft position
does have something to do with it. Uh, And we
know that Joe Montana and Tom Brady weren't drafted high
Chris or whatever, Brady six round, but they came from
storied schools, you know what I mean, and had a
bit of a pedigree even though they weren't they did,
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you know what, and that's what came. Brady came from Michigan, right,
Joe Montell came from Dame, like from Iowa, came from
southern Connecticut or something technical, agrico whatever.
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Speaker 3 (20:35):
Harbaugh returned to the NFL, of course, this season as
the first year coach of the Chargers, and they won
their opener twenty two to ten over the Las Vegas
Raiders and mayn they ran all over the Raiders, who
have a good defense, ran for one hundred and seventy
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six yards on twenty twenty seven carries.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That's pretty efficient, but justin.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Herbert the Great strong arm quarterback was seventeen for twenty
six through twenty six passes right and through four hundred
and forty four yards one touchdown, third lowest and third
lowest output yards wise in his entire career of about
(21:25):
sixty three games. So that was definitely something that we're
going to talk about and get into. Let me say
what Herbert said though after the game. Herbert was all smiles.
Here's what he said. To have a guy talking about
Harball leading the charge like that, and the locker room
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that buys in and follows him, you know, it's a
special day as well for him to get his first win.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
We'll take as many as we can.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Your thoughts, rap, I mean, when you win, Chris, of
course you just got to. You know, hey, it was great,
everything's cool. I just don't understand. And I understand. I
understand that Harball ran the ball at Michigan, they won
the National Championship. I get all that. In this man's
NFL with a quarterback of Justin Herbert's caliber, I just
(22:20):
can't see it, Like, what is the purpose of having
him if this is what you're going to do to him,
which is to diminish his value. And I'm not saying, Chris,
you can't have a running game and a quarterback or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
But this seems like this is his plan.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
The first thing he did got rid of all the receivers, right,
added yeah, and then added the running backs running the football.
I'm not against running the football. I just don't know
how if you're trying to win big time if it works.
Even when he had Colin Kaepernick with the forty nine,
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they had success, Chris, they didn't win a championship.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I'm not saying that that's the only way, right.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
They got the Super Bowl. They lost to Baltimore and
his brother, and I get all that. And Jim Harbor
had really good success in San Francisco. They won a
lot of games. But if I'm Justin Herbert, I'm not
with it. I'm just not I'm not saying I don't
want to balance attack or whatever, but one hundred and
forty something yards and this is not their old coach,
(23:24):
and Brandon Staley Harball is a better coach than him. Okay,
so it ain't even I'm not even putting them in
the same sentence, Chris, But to abandon, like, what do
you need Justin Herbert for? If you just need somebody
to throw the ball occasionally, Chris on third down long?
You know, passing plays that you can't run for a
(23:45):
first down. Essentially, Justin Herbert has all the tools. Two
years ago, me and you look dumbfounded when they had
Justin Herbert ahead of Patrick Mahomes in the preseason. You
remember quarterback pole.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's crazy. But that's how much it is.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right, that's how much talent they believe he has and
what kind of quarterback he can be. Last year, I've
said it. He took a step back last year, yep.
Because you remember chrisy had all the turnovers late in
the games.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I remember what was that Cowboy game?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
He threw a pick late right that cost him the game,
and there were a couple of those moments. That's all
I just go get Gardner Minshew or whatever. Go get
one of those quarterbacks. If that's all you're gonna do
is have somebody hand the ball off to the running
backs and throwing the third down every so often.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't get it. I think Jim Harball is making
a mistake here.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I think what he's trying to do, Rob and I
agree with a lot of what you said. I mean,
seventeen for twenty six, one hundred and forty four yards
for Justin Herbert. All right, this is a guy in
Herbert who has a rookie Rob averaged two hundred and
eighty nine yards a game passing next year two ninety
five for his heck, he's two hundred and seventy six
(25:01):
yards a game, all right, So you're absolutely right, this
is a guy that can be a prolific passer. However,
I we know he hasn't had much success as far
as winning games, and a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Both you and I.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
We put on brandons name, no doubt, Chris a game
that they could have won. He saw that where he
just uh, you know, put the tabard on situations.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Absolutely, but the fact is that in his previous four seasons,
Herbert's made the playoffs once and lost that game. And
so I think Herbert right now just wants to win,
just wants to win something. And so that's why I
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think right now, Rob, he is willing to go along
with it now because he's winning now.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I will say this, when you have the ability. I've
used this to illustration with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
If I'm an NBA player, Robin, I can average twenty
five points a game and win. I don't want to
average fifteen because I can win average in twenty five.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I want to play to my highest potential.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Patrick Mahomes won the Super Bowl last year but said
it wasn't that fun. Not the super Bowl game itself
for winning it, but just the season where we know
he had probably his worst season as an NFL player, right,
and he wants to get back to being able to
throw long, to being able to put up huge numbers.
(26:40):
And I ain't mad at him in the least. In fact,
I want to see him do it. I want to
see Herbert do it. You want to see the players
with star potential play to their maximum ability.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And that's what I'm saying. You're dummying down justin Herbert
for no reason, Chris.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well, I don't know that it's no reason, though, But
what I would say is I think he's trying to
set a culture where we do run the football.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And I think as time goes on.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Particularly in the future, like like coming years and seasons,
but I even think progressively this season you will see
more and more passing from Herbert.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
And opening things up. This is my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I could be wrong, but I just think they want
to set a tone, change the culture. We're a tough
hard nosed team. We're gonna play hard nose football. We're
gonna be able to beat you up physically. And then
once they establish that, then New start throwing the ball more.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
That's what I think they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, I'm not convinced that that's the game plan. He
wruns the football, Chris. That's how I want you know
what I mean, that's his thing. They wanted Michigan at Michigan,
and I get it. Something works for you. You're like, that's
what I want to do. I'm gonna run the football
and change and change the way things are done. It
just that JJ McCarthy right at Michigan. Yeah, he won't
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Justin Herber. Okay, that's what he won't Justin Herbert. And
if he was, we wouldn't have known it exactly. Do
you see what I'm saying Like this, No, I get it.
There there are quarterbacks you have, Chris, where I understand
why you're not throwing.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
The ball a lot. I do. I get that.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But that's why I'm saying, it's got to be to
set a culture. It can't be or you're just gonna
end up trading Justin Herbert and you could get a
ton for it, but I think he's a quarterback you
want to keep. But you go there, you see, we
have they have it won. So we need to change
(28:41):
the culture, We need to change things.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
But Rob, if.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He's planning on doing this all season long, then I
think that I agree with you, it's a mistake. But
I do think like Herbert's not gonna be throwing it
like he did in the past.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
No, no, no, that's obvious, right, I agree with that, and
it'll just be interesting. It's okay, Chris, when you win
and you beat the Raiders and Herbert has one hundred
and forty four yards, right, But if they lose and
they can't get much going, then then the narrative will
change and then people will start saying, what are you
(29:15):
doing with justin Herbert?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
How come he's not throwing the football? It doesn't make
any sense to me, that's all. It's easy.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Like I say, when you win, Chris, winning covers everything.
It's the makeup that's deodorant. Absolutely, you win. Hard to
argue with anybody on that day, right, But.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I just think though that they can win. And I
was torn.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Between them and the Dolphins for my last playoff spot
in the AFC, so they might make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
There's no question about it. They got a good chance
to make the playoffs. You won't win a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I don't believe in today's NFL you won't win a
super Bowl. Throwing it so sparingly. Now, you can make
the playoffs, you can be good. But I don't think
Rob you can win a super Bowl if you don't
throw the football, not with the other quarterbacks that you're
gonna play against. I just don't, especially in the AFC,
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you don't get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Because everything is going to be a process to march
down the field, eat the clock to try to score,
and they're throwing a pass down field or whatever and
scoring in ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I'm just saying, like, like, one thing they.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Do have going for them is that they can throw
the football like you. It's not a situation where you
have a quarterback that can't throw, so we're just gonna
be running, that's all we gonna do. It's a situation
where you have a guy that can throw the football
and you're choosing to run. And that's different because defense
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has to stay honest and always be aware of you
throwing the football. What I would see, and I told
you what I envisioned, what I think the vision has
to be. But I just think over time, Rob they'll
add better receivers. I mean they got you know they
got they did, right, I mean Mike Williams though was
always heard, he's now with the Jets and was hurt
(31:20):
last night.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Keenan Moore, Keenan Allen's getting a little bit older. So
you know, I get it. You got Lab McConkie and
and Quinton Johnson, some of these guys.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Fil McConkie, remember fil McConkie with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, I have no idea, but you know that's what
I think they gotta do because I I agree with
you in that I don't think you'll win the ultimate prize. Now,
we even talked about Baltimore. Obviously last year they should
have ran more against uh Kansas City, but you still
they still threw the football. I mean, they threw it
(31:56):
too much. But they they're going to throw the football.
They're not just gonna run and they encounter on Lamar
to just get one hundred and forty four yards unless
they got a running quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
That's a difference too. Yeah,
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