September 11, 2024 • 32 mins
Chris and Rob explain why James Jones is wrong when he says that Joe Burrow is only good when he has elite talent around him, discuss whether it’s even reasonable for football fans to say anybody other than Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL right now and tell us if the WNBA commissioner is right when she insinuates that all publicity is good publicity when it comes to the Caitlin Clark-Angel Reese rivalry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Rob G, let's start here, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know how much Chris and I are dig Joe Burrow, right,
we both do.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We liked him.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
When he was getting out of college and he was
gonna People were telling him, don't go to Cincinnati, they
never win, blah blah blah blah. What do you do,
Rob G? You went to Cincinnati and he did his thing.
Second year on, he played six or seven games this
rookie year. Next year had them in the Super Bowl.
But everybody's not a fan of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Can you explain? That's right?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Super Bowl Champion former Packers wide receiver James Jones, friend
of the show. He's been on a handful of time,
so now he's on the What show was he on,
He's got the UFS one morning show, the facility with
the Manuelacho, Chase Daniel and Shady McCoy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And of course the big game this weekend is Bengals Chiefs.
You know, Joe Burrow's return to Burrowhead. I believe so.
During the show, James Jones was talking about Joe Burrow
and his confidence level heading into week two after that
deut of a performance against the Patriots at home. And
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let's just say that James Jones is not a fan
of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Listen, we got to start keeping it real for Joe Burrow.
If Lamar Jackson throw that ball and his toe ain't out,
it's a lot of ifs. If Jalen Hursts look down
the middle of the field and reincover too and don't
throw it and it ain't, it's a lot of ifs.
But them dudes take a lot of heat. Joe Burrow
has not been good man the last two years, and
starting off this seat, he ain't been good. He was
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five and five last year and then went out with
an injury. All right, then they went four and three
without Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow without top elite.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Wide receivers is average. He is, but we.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Keep no no for real though, but we keep we
keep living on the Super Bowl appearance, but we don't
live on other stuff for other quarterbacks. Joe Burrow's not
playing good football right now. He ain't right, and we
keep putting him up there saying he's better than Josh Allen.
He the number two quarterback in football. But to be
honest with you, the real is he ain't played well
the last year and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He ain't.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You just lost to the Patriots, man, Joe Burrow. This
is the New England Patriots, and you're supposed to be
the second best quarterback in football. Everybody praising that you
the only one that could challenge Patrick Mahomes and all this. Well,
the last year and a half you can't. You have
not been a good quarterback. And if it was any
other quarterback, we wouldn't keep saying, oh, man, if this,
if that, if there's no the man gotta play better,
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and he's not and you should be nervous.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Wow, I am here, Rob Did you fall off? Did
you fall off your seat? Because I did?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I just and again, hey James Jones, Chris, he's been
on our show and I love the passion and whatnot,
but where is is there any pushback? Is there like
any like they have been?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I mean, we didn't hear that. I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Even even yeah, I'm hoping Rob g was the pushback
or you never know he got pushed back.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
There was no pushback Rob Ge. Well, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I'm he makes some interesting and thoughtful points, but I
do think there are explanations for what because he's right,
Joe Burrow wasn't good last year. But Joe Burrow, Now,
if you want to say, hey, he played once you're
in the field, no excuses, Okay. I think he wasn't
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good early on because of the injury, the cash strain
he was recovering from.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Once he got.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Going before he got re injured or another injury, but
injured again, he started really playing good football his last
few games, maybe three games before he got hurt with
his wrist, and he obviously wasn't good in Game one
when they lose to New England. What I will say
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about him Rob the my major issue, and James has
to me, has to bring this up. My major issue
with Joe Burrow are the injuries, like number one, he's
been injured. He's only been healthy for two full seasons now.
He's played parts of two others, but parts isn't good enough.
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He's only been healthy two out of four full seasons.
So if you want to blame some you know, say
he's to injury prone, that's fine. I think his struggles
last year, as I said, were due to his recovery
from his injuries.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But the thing I will.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Say is that a lot of the criticism and I'm
not gonna make it a brock Purty conversation, but one
of the things people have always wanted to see from
brock Purty is can he play without all this talent
around him?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
He's playing all right, he's playing well, but he's got
Christian McCaffrey, he's got a Brandon Ayuk, he's got Deebo, Samuel,
George Kittle, all these guys. Rob James makes it is
true that we've only seen Burrow with a litany of
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talent around Jamar Chase t Higgins, Joe Mixon, who's a
very good running back. And he's saying, well, we saw
him Sunday without t Higgins and he didn't look that good.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I'm not gonna go that far.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
But I think there's only really two quarter There are
a few quarterbacks who you can really say, we know,
beyond the shadow of a doubt, they can get it
done without tremendous weapons. Patrick Mahomes and even he has
Travis Kelcey and Andy Reid is a great offensive mind.
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Lambard Jackson, who's not had a great receiver, like a
top flight receiver throughout his career, and he hasn't won
a Super Bowl, but he's won consistently at a high level.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And if you want to throw in CJ.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Stroud, I mean, Nico Collins is gonna be a really
nice one and Tank Dell is really good.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
But they were unproven last year and he took.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
These quote unquote no name receivers and turned them into names,
and so I think they're good on their own. But
you can put CJ. Stroud in there if you want.
But Joe Burrow has had a lot of talent. Jalen
Hurts has had a ton of talent, you know, Justin
Herbert has had a ton of talent at the skilled positions.
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So a lot of these other guys, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Same thing.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
So if you want to throw Joe Burrow in that.
I think James went too far. I say he ain't
that good now. He went too far with that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, that's where he lost me, because we know what
the Cincinnati Bengals were before he arrived there and everybody,
you need talent to win, and Chris three and one
against Patrick Mahomes almost won that game. You know, remember
the push out of Mahomes on the sideline that led
to the field goal.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
He almost won and got them to a second Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And he didn't get there, but they played damn close
in Burroughhead or whatever you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Call it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Three and one against Mahomes against Mahomes, Marvin Lewis had
talent in Cincinnati, oh and seven in the playoffs, he
shows up. He's the Aaron Judge of the NFL from
the standpoint room. Yeah, like when he plays and he's healthy,
he's as good as anybody. He's just been hurt a lot,
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and we've seen this. I just the idea like he
can't play and he's just lucky because other people that
I'm not buying that. I think that's where James Jones
needed push back. He's been to a Super Bowl. I
get it. Uh No one's saying that.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Uh uh.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And then you know when you bring up other people
and whether or not what they did and those things,
that does give you something your second year because you
play six or seven games your rookie year, you get hurt,
you come back and get to the super Bowl and
you beat Patrick.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Mahomes based on the roads full scene. You're serious, come on,
he is living off that, yeah, and he's probably rightfully that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I mean he won't be living off that four years
from now, right if he doesn't, you know, get back
to the super Bowl or something like that. But for now, right,
he still early in his career. He's in his fifth season.
Like I said this, if he plays the whole year,
this will only be his third full season.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And so in two full seasons, one of them.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
He got his team to the super Bowl, and when
he got to living off right, that's why that's why
he there's no James right, he's living off that super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But he hasn't right there, right because he hasn't played
eight years. Chris, if this was seven eight years ago,
then you can make the argument and say, dude, that
was a lifetime ago, right, Tyler sports writers were using typewriters. No,
he hasn't had full seasons to be able to fully
take a look and say he's living off of something.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's where I'm not buying it. Yeah, he went too
far because because he didn't even mention the injuries, right,
I mean injuries.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So he was five and five last year and he
played her, don't you remember he was playing her before.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Her body thinks, I'll go on the real Joe Burrow
before he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
The game before he got hurt, it.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Was a loss, a close loss, three point loss to Houston.
He threw for three hundred and forty seven yards two touchdowns.
Now he did have two picks. But the game before that,
a win over Buffalo, three hundred forty eight yards and
two touchdowns. Win before that, they beat San Francisco. He
had three touchdowns, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Three yards. He was he was clearly coming back to
who he is once he got healthy.
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And Gerald McCoy, a great defensive tackle for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, played most of his career with the Buccaneers,
retired a few years ago. Now is a commentator Rob
in our business and he's good. He's been on First
Things First with us a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
He's good.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
But he had this I guess, Rob g it was
a tweet about Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So he was actually doing something with Kyle van Ney.
I don't know if it was a podcast or some
kind of discussion, but his quote verbatim read if a
person goes out and says Josh Allen is the best
quarterback in football, you can't get upset so that graphic
was shared by a number of Alan's, most specifically Yahoo Sports,
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to which McCoy quote tweat and try to explain.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Himself, but it didn't really go over too well.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Here's what he said before all y'all Mahomes' minions come
trying to attack me. Chris Pas Sorry, I think Mahomes
is the best, but Josh Allen has all the tools
and game worth. Somebody saying that he's the best, it's
not outlandish. I don't agree, but I won't argue with
anybody who feels that way.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Either, Rob. I don't think it's right now.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
It's not debatable who's the best quarterback in the NFL.
I mean, Patrick Mahomes has done it statistically. He's won
two MVPs, He's got the team victory's three Super Bowls.
He already already, I believe, is the second, has the
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second most playoff.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Wins in the history of football.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I mean, he is off to the best start in
the history of the league. And the difference with him
and Brady, who has obviously the seven championships is that
when Brady won his first three, now he obviously gets
major credit for him and he was he did turn
that team around, you know, Rob I said all the time.
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They were five and eleven the year before he got there,
with Belichick and a good quarterback in Drew Bledsoe. Then
started zero to two. Bledsoe gets hurt, Brady goes in,
and they just going this tear. It was unbelievable. All
of a sudden, they were like a top team and
ended up winning eleven games that year, and Brady.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Of course leads him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
So he was instrumental, but he was not an individual
force as far as statistics, as far as you know,
just killing defenses with his arm and the things that
Mahomes does. And so that's why I say Mahomes off
to the greatest start in the NFL history as far
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as the career start.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But I just don't think.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Look, I think Josh Allen is great, and I think
the argument for who's the second best quarterback in the league,
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, take your choice, maybe
soon to be CJ. Stroud is in that discussion, but
the best to me, Rob I and Gerald said he
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does think Mahomes the best, but I think he's the best,
so clearly, and his accolades are so far ahead of
everyone else at this stage in the league that's still
in the league right now that.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I don't even think it's like can be debated.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I just I just think it's a lame to me,
it's just a lame take from the standpoint of.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
If somebody else makes the case for.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Josh Allen, I'm not gonna be mad at them, but
Mahomes is the best.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like like it doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It's like, seriously, like, this is the this is you're
playing two sides. Oh you know, somebody pushed back. Now
I'm telling you this is like, who do we have
to stand on your stand on your square?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
We had fried a chatting change, remember that Chris, Oh, well,
Jordan's one A and Lebron's one B.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And we're like, no, what was he did? He say
Jordan was the goat? Is that what he said? That
Lebron was Lebron.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
That's what I'm back, right, he said Lebron was when
we challenged it, right, and then he said, well I
didn't and he folded like a cheap tin.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He did, oh, one A and one B, and we're like,
we don't, we don't do that here.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We don't play that on the odd couple. There's no
one A on one B. What's wrong? Make a pick?
Make a pick? You know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Absolutely, Rob, Can I say this, you're gonna be these
take streets, If you're gonna be in these opinion streets,
then it's tough out here.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Can I say this?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I lost it for Bill O'Reilly last night? You know
what he said, No nobody wanted debate? Is that Chris?
Bill O'Reilly like like, we're bringing you on to say
that nobody won.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
What kind of take is that Chris wasn't really a tie?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, that's what Bill O'Reilly said, nobody won.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
He said, Oh my god, I couldn't believe of all people,
Chris who had.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
The opinions because he was a big opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But that's my point on bringing up that is the
point of this is that what would pick a side?
If you really believe Mahomes is the best, then I'm
not entertaining Josh Allen, how are you up down?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'm entertaining that.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
And and correction, I said Mahomes had the second most
playoff wins ever, Brady's number one, way out there with
thirty five Montana, second ride with sixteen.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Mahomes has fifteen.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
He's third, but he's ahead of Peyton Manning, Steve Young,
John L. Waits, Terry brad Shaw, fourth with Chris. Let
me ask you this real quick. This is off the topic,
real quick. We just gave up number or whatever. You
just gave the Montana number of Mahomes. Just say Mahomes
plays eight more years, doesn't win again.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Just just let's.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Just did he pass Montana?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I feel like he's already passed on my list.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I got Brady Mahomes, Montana, Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But yeah, so to me, yes.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Now, you know, look, I'm I just built in, whether
I consciously am saying this or not, rob built into
a take when a guy has played what six seasons
and has three Super Bowls already, is you know, it's
kind of like you're you are putting a little projection
in there. But like with Russell Wilson, when I used
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to say when he was Sea Ale Robber, remember we
talked about it, like when he started making noise about
wanting to be traded, and I constantly referred to him
as a future Hall of famer.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I'm not sure now.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
You know, because it was like he's he's clearly on track.
But here's the other thing, And so that would be
interesting if he does it, If he goes the next
eight years it doesn't win, then you know, I mean,
I might have to rethink it.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, and the only reason I say that is
and it's not anything against Mahomes. Tom Brady went nine
years Chris, and he had a second career when he
started winning again. If Tom Brady would have ended his
career Chris after those nine years of winning, there's no
go conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
He wouldn't be right.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
That's like with just those three super Bowl early see
those three early.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Right, yeah, no, no way, no way, no, I didn't
want to get off try. Yeah, you would just start
rethinking it. But I do you agree?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I mean, in Gerald, it is what he said, Mahomes
is the best.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, if somebody he wants.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
To Sean, say Sean King, and I don't think Sean
would argue this. But if Sean King comes on and
it's like I think Josh Allen's the best quarterback in
the league, now he can make his argument and we
can firmly disagree. But his opinion is his opinion, right,
And I don't get that, you know what I'm saying,
Like he can have his opinion. I would think it's silly,
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just like I thought Greg Jenny's saying Daniel Jones was
top ten quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
That was the first guest that wasn't even coming off
that playoff win and whatever all that. We were like, no, dude,
we've watched this guy and there's no way's top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Do you think, though, would you agree with me that
right now?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Just objectively, it's not debatable that Mahomes no.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Coming off of last year winning the back to back,
it would be hard to make an honest case for
anybody right else.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's it, especially coming off of that.
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Speaker 3 (20:14):
Rogie, there's some.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Stuff going on, so kind of summarize the latest controversy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I guess there's a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
WNBA Commissioner Kathy Engelberg was on CNBC for whatever reason,
doing an interview on their panel.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Talking about the corporations that lose fifty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I'm sorry, and just take a listen to this exchange
between her and the reporter. This is just facts, I'm saying,
just facts focused on the discourse social media wise, at
least on the Kaitlin Clark Angel Reese rivalry.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Take listen that question, which raises some sensitivities of rivalries
between players. In the case of Angel rees who's just
had to shut it down because of a risk injury,
Caitlin Clark, who's continuing to play. That goes back to
their college days, presumably where I guess some trash talking
entered in.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But now it seems on some social.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Media channels to have taken a darker turn, a more
menacing turn, where race has been introduced into the conversation,
where sexuality is sometimes introduced into the conversation. How do
you try and stay ahead of that, try and tamp
it down, or act as a league when two of
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your most visible players are involved, not personally, it would seem,
but their fan bases are involved in saying some very
uncharitable things.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Well, well, I think that's great about the league right now.
We do sit at this intersection of culture and sport
and fashion and music like the WNBA players are really
looked at now as kind of cultural icons. True, and
when you have that, you have a lot of attention
on you. There's no more apathy. Everybody cares. It is
a little that bird magic moment. Recall from nineteen seventy
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nine when those two rookies came in from a big
college rivalry, one white, one black, and so we have
that moment with these two. But the one thing I
know about sports, you need rivalry. That's what makes people watch.
They want to watch games of consequence between rivals. They
don't want everybody being nice to one another. So social
media is different today than it was in nineteen seventy
nine when it didn't exist. But you know, I always
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tell the players, you know I was told a long
time ago. If someone's typing something in and you wouldn't
ask their advice, ignore it. So it's it's a balance,
but certainly from a marketing dollars, But corporate partners are
stepping up to endorse these players much much more so
than they were five years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
We heard the commissioner of the WNBA answer the question
about kind of the ugly turn that the Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Angel Reese debate.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Rivalry took among fans on social media, and Rob g
fill Us in the Players didn't like her answers.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
That correct, correct, because as you heard in the answer,
she didn't necessarily condemn that kind of conversation or that
kind of hate speech at all. She basically said, hey,
we have more attention on us than ever people care
about our league, and the marketing dollars are higher than
they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And what she could have said, Chris and and all
of that stuff that she's talking about is true, And
all she had to say was we love the attention.
The hate stuff is nothing that we want to part right,
That's all right.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
She just had to acknowledge it that the hate now
we're not and she tried to do that after that,
we don't.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Want the hate stuff and all that, so we're not.
We're not with that.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So late last night she put out a tweet saying,
you know exactly what you're saying, But by then the
cats out.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
But here's what I would say, though, and I agree,
I totally agree with Rob. She she just should have said, look,
it's definitely gone too far social media, but you know,
but you know, we we you know, what she said
about the people wanting to watch our game more and
things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
She could have said that. All she had to do
was throwing that acknowledgment.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I will say this though, I don't think her original
statement was anything close to an endorsement of that type
of you know, the negative talk like for I think
for people to take it that far right, you're looking
for something to complain about. Like she can only control
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the player. Now, if there were players in the league
making nasty comments, racially insensitive comments about it, yeah, gender
insensitive comments, yes, then she she can do something about it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
If she didn't, you can call her on it or Rob.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Even if fans in the arenas are doing that like
the NBA has done it, you can cross the line.
They'll kick you out of the arena. They may suspend
you for life from that arena. That's what she can control.
She can't control some people on social media what they tweet.
So all she had to do, like Rob said, acknowledge
that that's we're not in the bad. We don't promote that,
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we don't endorse that. In fact, we object to it,
to it wholeheartedly. That's all she had to say.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's it. That's the line.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
If you put that out there and then say, hey,
you know the attention we're getting, all the sponsorships and
all this stuff, trust me, three years ago we weren't
getting this kind of attention and all that, then you're
good to go. And she just missed an opportunity to say,
you know, like, we don't endorse it.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
We just don't endorse the bad stuff. That's not what
we want.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
We don't want our players to be the objects Chris
or or you know, racially target targeted or profiled or vilified,
racially vilified or something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Right, she should have made a statement like that.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Unfortunately, robbed with popularity, sometimes negatives do come with it,
and she is right, like, let's just keep it real.
Right a year ago, forget five years ago. A year ago,
people weren't really nobody was talking about the w NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Chris, we talked me, we talked about this from jump.
Kaitlin Clark was going to be the hallm Globe trotters
and all these people who never paid attention because she
played basketball.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So different from women.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And the three pointers from the logo Chris and all
the other stuff that got everybody's attention.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
We knew it. We talked about it that this was
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Other people were trying to downplayer Chris and all this
other stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh yeah, wait till she gets in the league? Well
was there about that? Where are those people right? I mean,
she's eating the league up and shows who's still hanging
in there? Rob g on that she's still trying to
fighting the good fight. To be honest with you, she
was like, what does she say? Like, what what does
she say? What is this was three weeks in a row,
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right player of the Week? What is what?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Shoe Swoop said, Well, she didn't do it four weeks
in a row. Host recently she was going at stephen A.
Smith over the way that he was pointing out that
she wasn't being objective about it, and then that became
a whole nother situation.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I did see that par she hadn't be an object
objective what I don't know how she's objective?
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Like, I don't know, And I will say, nobody said broadcast,
nobody says she's the greatest player ever.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
No, but they had to pull Cheryl Swoops off of
broadcast because it was so blatantly obvious that she had
it out for.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Kayler, yes, during the game or.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
The next game, the next game, and.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
For her, wow, So what what kind of stuff was
she saying?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
She like, if Kayln Clark was doing anything great, she'd
be silent and she wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Why that's a good question. Why.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I mean, I would get her on, but I don't
think she wants to come on a show anymore.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I mean, well, let's let's is it like?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
And obviously the league has been mostly African American and
there have been some phenomenal players, and like Rob said,
nobody's saying Kitlyn Clark is the greatest.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
No, No, she's played one year, nobody's saying it at all.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
And the league has never gotten major attention. So I
do think some of the black players feel like, well,
we've been we built this league, and we you know,
the league wasn't getting the attention that it should have.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So maybe maybe that's why they're maybe resentful of Caitlyn
Clark and the attention she's brought.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
What I would say, Rob, is that there have been
great white players in the w n b A.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, Brianna Stewart and Deana.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Tarack like a lot, but it's much more than like
the NBA, you know, at least modern day NBA or And.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I just think, you know, with the numbers she got, Chris,
and the TV numbers and all the attention and the
sneakers and you know what I mean, and the endorsements.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
She's been and does race does her being white?
Speaker 6 (29:17):
It doesn't hurts some fans, probably probably because even with
the Diana Tarassis and the Brianna Stewarts and all that.
I mean, it's still the league is still majority black.
You think of Lisa Leslie, you think of Cheryl Swoops
and all the other great African American players who may
have dominated the league.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
And it's it's different, and again not.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
As much with women, but it's still somewhat unique for a.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
White girl to dominate like this. And I think it's American.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Because yeah, because like no other white player has captivated
our imaginations like this, I do it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Her style of plays what separates her from the Donna
Tarassis and the people who you play women basketball, Chris, Diane, I'm.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Sorry, what do I say? Donna?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Sorry, I'm ella, Donna, don Ella, you know all these
all these other great white players. You're right, her style
of play is different and look, we are in the
majority white country.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
The country is still sixty white, so there are just
more white people.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
And if they take to her, they're gonna have more numbers.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And that's gonna if they really take through it, that's
gonna lead to more ratings. It's not things like and.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
We saw that, Chris when uh, you know, Larry Bird
showed though, and that's why I see we.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Made looking Bird. There was also there was a huge
racial element to that. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And and and and also Chris, you know, like it
couldn't have been any more perfect.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
It really couldn't Bird.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
But the white guy in Boston, you know what I'm saying,
Like white guys in Boston, a showman in l a right, like.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
You could glamorous fancy playing, Yeah no, and Rob to
be in. Obviously the w NBA isn't at the level
of the NBL.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But look at this one.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
You got Angel recent Chicago, the black girl in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You got Caitlin Clark in Indiana, the white girl in
like that's worked out. That's interesting too.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
So I just think that that's an element of our
life in this country. Unfortunately, and like we said, Rob,
it was an element with Bird and Mac. Remember when
Bird won three straight MVPs and I was a kid,
but I also was like, man, he won these because
he's white, Like he shouldn't have won three straight like
that and conversation.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And if you remember, Chris, I don't know because you're
you know, five years younger than me. But their announcers, Uh,
what a Celtics for CBS. What the Boston Celtics announcers
Dick Stockton and Tommy Heinzen.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I remember they did the national game.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, but they did the Celtics too, so you know,
like Mike Breen does the Knicks or whatever, they were
the national team.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yes, yes, that's different. Yes, both.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
And that was the big thing is that they would
every bounce passed by Bird. Everything he did like it
was like over the top, like he invented the bounce pass.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
No, absolutely,
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Rob G, let's start here, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know how much Chris and I are dig Joe Burrow, right,
we both do.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We liked him.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
When he was getting out of college and he was
gonna People were telling him, don't go to Cincinnati, they
never win, blah blah blah blah. What do you do,
Rob G? You went to Cincinnati and he did his thing.
Second year on, he played six or seven games this
rookie year. Next year had them in the Super Bowl.
But everybody's not a fan of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Can you explain? That's right?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Super Bowl Champion former Packers wide receiver James Jones, friend
of the show. He's been on a handful of time,
so now he's on the What show was he on,
He's got the UFS one morning show, the facility with
the Manuelacho, Chase Daniel and Shady McCoy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And of course the big game this weekend is Bengals Chiefs.
You know, Joe Burrow's return to Burrowhead. I believe so.
During the show, James Jones was talking about Joe Burrow
and his confidence level heading into week two after that
deut of a performance against the Patriots at home. And
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let's just say that James Jones is not a fan
of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Listen, we got to start keeping it real for Joe Burrow.
If Lamar Jackson throw that ball and his toe ain't out,
it's a lot of ifs. If Jalen Hursts look down
the middle of the field and reincover too and don't
throw it and it ain't, it's a lot of ifs.
But them dudes take a lot of heat. Joe Burrow
has not been good man the last two years, and
starting off this seat, he ain't been good. He was
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five and five last year and then went out with
an injury. All right, then they went four and three
without Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow without top elite.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Wide receivers is average. He is, but we.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Keep no no for real though, but we keep we
keep living on the Super Bowl appearance, but we don't
live on other stuff for other quarterbacks. Joe Burrow's not
playing good football right now. He ain't right, and we
keep putting him up there saying he's better than Josh Allen.
He the number two quarterback in football. But to be
honest with you, the real is he ain't played well
the last year and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He ain't.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You just lost to the Patriots, man, Joe Burrow. This
is the New England Patriots, and you're supposed to be
the second best quarterback in football. Everybody praising that you
the only one that could challenge Patrick Mahomes and all this. Well,
the last year and a half you can't. You have
not been a good quarterback. And if it was any
other quarterback, we wouldn't keep saying, oh, man, if this,
if that, if there's no the man gotta play better,
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and he's not and you should be nervous.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Wow, I am here, Rob Did you fall off? Did
you fall off your seat? Because I did?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I just and again, hey James Jones, Chris, he's been
on our show and I love the passion and whatnot,
but where is is there any pushback? Is there like
any like they have been?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I mean, we didn't hear that. I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Even even yeah, I'm hoping Rob g was the pushback
or you never know he got pushed back.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
There was no pushback Rob Ge. Well, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I'm he makes some interesting and thoughtful points, but I
do think there are explanations for what because he's right,
Joe Burrow wasn't good last year. But Joe Burrow, Now,
if you want to say, hey, he played once you're
in the field, no excuses, Okay. I think he wasn't
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good early on because of the injury, the cash strain
he was recovering from.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Once he got.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Going before he got re injured or another injury, but
injured again, he started really playing good football his last
few games, maybe three games before he got hurt with
his wrist, and he obviously wasn't good in Game one
when they lose to New England. What I will say
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about him Rob the my major issue, and James has
to me, has to bring this up. My major issue
with Joe Burrow are the injuries, like number one, he's
been injured. He's only been healthy for two full seasons now.
He's played parts of two others, but parts isn't good enough.
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He's only been healthy two out of four full seasons.
So if you want to blame some you know, say
he's to injury prone, that's fine. I think his struggles
last year, as I said, were due to his recovery
from his injuries.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But the thing I will.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Say is that a lot of the criticism and I'm
not gonna make it a brock Purty conversation, but one
of the things people have always wanted to see from
brock Purty is can he play without all this talent
around him?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
He's playing all right, he's playing well, but he's got
Christian McCaffrey, he's got a Brandon Ayuk, he's got Deebo, Samuel,
George Kittle, all these guys. Rob James makes it is
true that we've only seen Burrow with a litany of
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talent around Jamar Chase t Higgins, Joe Mixon, who's a
very good running back. And he's saying, well, we saw
him Sunday without t Higgins and he didn't look that good.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I'm not gonna go that far.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
But I think there's only really two quarter There are
a few quarterbacks who you can really say, we know,
beyond the shadow of a doubt, they can get it
done without tremendous weapons. Patrick Mahomes and even he has
Travis Kelcey and Andy Reid is a great offensive mind.
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Lambard Jackson, who's not had a great receiver, like a
top flight receiver throughout his career, and he hasn't won
a Super Bowl, but he's won consistently at a high level.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And if you want to throw in CJ.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Stroud, I mean, Nico Collins is gonna be a really
nice one and Tank Dell is really good.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
But they were unproven last year and he took.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
These quote unquote no name receivers and turned them into names,
and so I think they're good on their own. But
you can put CJ. Stroud in there if you want.
But Joe Burrow has had a lot of talent. Jalen
Hurts has had a ton of talent, you know, Justin
Herbert has had a ton of talent at the skilled positions.
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So a lot of these other guys, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Same thing.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
So if you want to throw Joe Burrow in that.
I think James went too far. I say he ain't
that good now. He went too far with that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, that's where he lost me, because we know what
the Cincinnati Bengals were before he arrived there and everybody,
you need talent to win, and Chris three and one
against Patrick Mahomes almost won that game. You know, remember
the push out of Mahomes on the sideline that led
to the field goal.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
He almost won and got them to a second Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And he didn't get there, but they played damn close
in Burroughhead or whatever you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Call it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Three and one against Mahomes against Mahomes, Marvin Lewis had
talent in Cincinnati, oh and seven in the playoffs, he
shows up. He's the Aaron Judge of the NFL from
the standpoint room. Yeah, like when he plays and he's healthy,
he's as good as anybody. He's just been hurt a lot,
(08:08):
and we've seen this. I just the idea like he
can't play and he's just lucky because other people that
I'm not buying that. I think that's where James Jones
needed push back. He's been to a Super Bowl. I
get it. Uh No one's saying that.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Uh uh.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And then you know when you bring up other people
and whether or not what they did and those things,
that does give you something your second year because you
play six or seven games your rookie year, you get hurt,
you come back and get to the super Bowl and
you beat Patrick.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Mahomes based on the roads full scene. You're serious, come on,
he is living off that, yeah, and he's probably rightfully that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I mean he won't be living off that four years
from now, right if he doesn't, you know, get back
to the super Bowl or something like that. But for now, right,
he still early in his career. He's in his fifth season.
Like I said this, if he plays the whole year,
this will only be his third full season.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And so in two full seasons, one of them.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
He got his team to the super Bowl, and when
he got to living off right, that's why that's why
he there's no James right, he's living off that super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But he hasn't right there, right because he hasn't played
eight years. Chris, if this was seven eight years ago,
then you can make the argument and say, dude, that
was a lifetime ago, right, Tyler sports writers were using typewriters. No,
he hasn't had full seasons to be able to fully
take a look and say he's living off of something.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's where I'm not buying it. Yeah, he went too
far because because he didn't even mention the injuries, right,
I mean injuries.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So he was five and five last year and he
played her, don't you remember he was playing her before.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Her body thinks, I'll go on the real Joe Burrow
before he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
The game before he got hurt, it.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Was a loss, a close loss, three point loss to Houston.
He threw for three hundred and forty seven yards two touchdowns.
Now he did have two picks. But the game before that,
a win over Buffalo, three hundred forty eight yards and
two touchdowns. Win before that, they beat San Francisco. He
had three touchdowns, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Three yards. He was he was clearly coming back to
who he is once he got healthy.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
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Speaker 3 (10:42):
All right, this is.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Jay Glazer, and you may know me for the world
of football or fighting.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Or even shows like HBO's Ballers. Well you don't know
is for my entire life.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
I have lived in something I refer to as the
Great Depression anxiety. So now I'm coming out with a
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where each week, well we talk.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
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Speaker 7 (11:06):
Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer on the iHeartRadio app,
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Speaker 6 (11:15):
And Gerald McCoy, a great defensive tackle for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, played most of his career with the Buccaneers,
retired a few years ago. Now is a commentator Rob
in our business and he's good. He's been on First
Things First with us a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
He's good.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
But he had this I guess, Rob g it was
a tweet about Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So he was actually doing something with Kyle van Ney.
I don't know if it was a podcast or some
kind of discussion, but his quote verbatim read if a
person goes out and says Josh Allen is the best
quarterback in football, you can't get upset so that graphic
was shared by a number of Alan's, most specifically Yahoo Sports,
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to which McCoy quote tweat and try to explain.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Himself, but it didn't really go over too well.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Here's what he said before all y'all Mahomes' minions come
trying to attack me. Chris Pas Sorry, I think Mahomes
is the best, but Josh Allen has all the tools
and game worth. Somebody saying that he's the best, it's
not outlandish. I don't agree, but I won't argue with
anybody who feels that way.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Either, Rob. I don't think it's right now.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
It's not debatable who's the best quarterback in the NFL.
I mean, Patrick Mahomes has done it statistically. He's won
two MVPs, He's got the team victory's three Super Bowls.
He already already, I believe, is the second, has the
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second most playoff.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Wins in the history of football.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I mean, he is off to the best start in
the history of the league. And the difference with him
and Brady, who has obviously the seven championships is that
when Brady won his first three, now he obviously gets
major credit for him and he was he did turn
that team around, you know, Rob I said all the time.
(13:17):
They were five and eleven the year before he got there,
with Belichick and a good quarterback in Drew Bledsoe. Then
started zero to two. Bledsoe gets hurt, Brady goes in,
and they just going this tear. It was unbelievable. All
of a sudden, they were like a top team and
ended up winning eleven games that year, and Brady.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Of course leads him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
So he was instrumental, but he was not an individual
force as far as statistics, as far as you know,
just killing defenses with his arm and the things that
Mahomes does. And so that's why I say Mahomes off
to the greatest start in the NFL history as far
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as the career start.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But I just don't think.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Look, I think Josh Allen is great, and I think
the argument for who's the second best quarterback in the league,
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, take your choice, maybe
soon to be CJ. Stroud is in that discussion, but
the best to me, Rob I and Gerald said he
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does think Mahomes the best, but I think he's the best,
so clearly, and his accolades are so far ahead of
everyone else at this stage in the league that's still
in the league right now that.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I don't even think it's like can be debated.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I just I just think it's a lame to me,
it's just a lame take from the standpoint of.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
If somebody else makes the case for.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Josh Allen, I'm not gonna be mad at them, but
Mahomes is the best.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like like it doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It's like, seriously, like, this is the this is you're
playing two sides. Oh you know, somebody pushed back. Now
I'm telling you this is like, who do we have
to stand on your stand on your square?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
We had fried a chatting change, remember that Chris, Oh, well,
Jordan's one A and Lebron's one B.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And we're like, no, what was he did? He say
Jordan was the goat? Is that what he said? That
Lebron was Lebron.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
That's what I'm back, right, he said Lebron was when
we challenged it, right, and then he said, well I
didn't and he folded like a cheap tin.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He did, oh, one A and one B, and we're like,
we don't, we don't do that here.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We don't play that on the odd couple. There's no
one A on one B. What's wrong? Make a pick?
Make a pick? You know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Absolutely, Rob, Can I say this, you're gonna be these
take streets, If you're gonna be in these opinion streets,
then it's tough out here.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Can I say this?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I lost it for Bill O'Reilly last night? You know
what he said, No nobody wanted debate? Is that Chris?
Bill O'Reilly like like, we're bringing you on to say
that nobody won.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
What kind of take is that Chris wasn't really a tie?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, that's what Bill O'Reilly said, nobody won.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
He said, Oh my god, I couldn't believe of all people,
Chris who had.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
The opinions because he was a big opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But that's my point on bringing up that is the
point of this is that what would pick a side?
If you really believe Mahomes is the best, then I'm
not entertaining Josh Allen, how are you up down?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'm entertaining that.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
And and correction, I said Mahomes had the second most
playoff wins ever, Brady's number one, way out there with
thirty five Montana, second ride with sixteen.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Mahomes has fifteen.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
He's third, but he's ahead of Peyton Manning, Steve Young,
John L. Waits, Terry brad Shaw, fourth with Chris. Let
me ask you this real quick. This is off the topic,
real quick. We just gave up number or whatever. You
just gave the Montana number of Mahomes. Just say Mahomes
plays eight more years, doesn't win again.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Just just let's.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Just did he pass Montana?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I feel like he's already passed on my list.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I got Brady Mahomes, Montana, Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But yeah, so to me, yes.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Now, you know, look, I'm I just built in, whether
I consciously am saying this or not, rob built into
a take when a guy has played what six seasons
and has three Super Bowls already, is you know, it's
kind of like you're you are putting a little projection
in there. But like with Russell Wilson, when I used
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to say when he was Sea Ale Robber, remember we
talked about it, like when he started making noise about
wanting to be traded, and I constantly referred to him
as a future Hall of famer.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I'm not sure now.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
You know, because it was like he's he's clearly on track.
But here's the other thing, And so that would be
interesting if he does it, If he goes the next
eight years it doesn't win, then you know, I mean,
I might have to rethink it.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, and the only reason I say that is
and it's not anything against Mahomes. Tom Brady went nine
years Chris, and he had a second career when he
started winning again. If Tom Brady would have ended his
career Chris after those nine years of winning, there's no
go conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
He wouldn't be right.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
That's like with just those three super Bowl early see
those three early.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Right, yeah, no, no way, no way, no, I didn't
want to get off try. Yeah, you would just start
rethinking it. But I do you agree?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I mean, in Gerald, it is what he said, Mahomes
is the best.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, if somebody he wants.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
To Sean, say Sean King, and I don't think Sean
would argue this. But if Sean King comes on and
it's like I think Josh Allen's the best quarterback in
the league, now he can make his argument and we
can firmly disagree. But his opinion is his opinion, right,
And I don't get that, you know what I'm saying,
Like he can have his opinion. I would think it's silly,
(19:22):
just like I thought Greg Jenny's saying Daniel Jones was
top ten quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
That was the first guest that wasn't even coming off
that playoff win and whatever all that. We were like, no, dude,
we've watched this guy and there's no way's top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Do you think, though, would you agree with me that
right now?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Just objectively, it's not debatable that Mahomes no.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Coming off of last year winning the back to back,
it would be hard to make an honest case for
anybody right else.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's it, especially coming off of that.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
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Speaker 3 (20:14):
Rogie, there's some.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Stuff going on, so kind of summarize the latest controversy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I guess there's a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
WNBA Commissioner Kathy Engelberg was on CNBC for whatever reason,
doing an interview on their panel.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Talking about the corporations that lose fifty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I'm sorry, and just take a listen to this exchange
between her and the reporter. This is just facts, I'm saying,
just facts focused on the discourse social media wise, at
least on the Kaitlin Clark Angel Reese rivalry.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Take listen that question, which raises some sensitivities of rivalries
between players. In the case of Angel rees who's just
had to shut it down because of a risk injury,
Caitlin Clark, who's continuing to play. That goes back to
their college days, presumably where I guess some trash talking
entered in.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But now it seems on some social.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Media channels to have taken a darker turn, a more
menacing turn, where race has been introduced into the conversation,
where sexuality is sometimes introduced into the conversation. How do
you try and stay ahead of that, try and tamp
it down, or act as a league when two of
(21:31):
your most visible players are involved, not personally, it would seem,
but their fan bases are involved in saying some very
uncharitable things.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Well, well, I think that's great about the league right now.
We do sit at this intersection of culture and sport
and fashion and music like the WNBA players are really
looked at now as kind of cultural icons. True, and
when you have that, you have a lot of attention
on you. There's no more apathy. Everybody cares. It is
a little that bird magic moment. Recall from nineteen seventy
(22:01):
nine when those two rookies came in from a big
college rivalry, one white, one black, and so we have
that moment with these two. But the one thing I
know about sports, you need rivalry. That's what makes people watch.
They want to watch games of consequence between rivals. They
don't want everybody being nice to one another. So social
media is different today than it was in nineteen seventy
nine when it didn't exist. But you know, I always
(22:23):
tell the players, you know I was told a long
time ago. If someone's typing something in and you wouldn't
ask their advice, ignore it. So it's it's a balance,
but certainly from a marketing dollars, But corporate partners are
stepping up to endorse these players much much more so
than they were five years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
We heard the commissioner of the WNBA answer the question
about kind of the ugly turn that the Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Angel Reese debate.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Rivalry took among fans on social media, and Rob g
fill Us in the Players didn't like her answers.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
That correct, correct, because as you heard in the answer,
she didn't necessarily condemn that kind of conversation or that
kind of hate speech at all. She basically said, hey,
we have more attention on us than ever people care
about our league, and the marketing dollars are higher than
they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And what she could have said, Chris and and all
of that stuff that she's talking about is true, And
all she had to say was we love the attention.
The hate stuff is nothing that we want to part right,
That's all right.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
She just had to acknowledge it that the hate now
we're not and she tried to do that after that,
we don't.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Want the hate stuff and all that, so we're not.
We're not with that.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So late last night she put out a tweet saying,
you know exactly what you're saying, But by then the
cats out.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
But here's what I would say, though, and I agree,
I totally agree with Rob. She she just should have said, look,
it's definitely gone too far social media, but you know,
but you know, we we you know, what she said
about the people wanting to watch our game more and
things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
She could have said that. All she had to do
was throwing that acknowledgment.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I will say this though, I don't think her original
statement was anything close to an endorsement of that type
of you know, the negative talk like for I think
for people to take it that far right, you're looking
for something to complain about. Like she can only control
(24:31):
the player. Now, if there were players in the league
making nasty comments, racially insensitive comments about it, yeah, gender
insensitive comments, yes, then she she can do something about it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
If she didn't, you can call her on it or Rob.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Even if fans in the arenas are doing that like
the NBA has done it, you can cross the line.
They'll kick you out of the arena. They may suspend
you for life from that arena. That's what she can control.
She can't control some people on social media what they tweet.
So all she had to do, like Rob said, acknowledge
that that's we're not in the bad. We don't promote that,
(25:12):
we don't endorse that. In fact, we object to it,
to it wholeheartedly. That's all she had to say.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's it. That's the line.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
If you put that out there and then say, hey,
you know the attention we're getting, all the sponsorships and
all this stuff, trust me, three years ago we weren't
getting this kind of attention and all that, then you're
good to go. And she just missed an opportunity to say,
you know, like, we don't endorse it.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
We just don't endorse the bad stuff. That's not what
we want.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
We don't want our players to be the objects Chris
or or you know, racially target targeted or profiled or vilified,
racially vilified or something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Right, she should have made a statement like that.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Unfortunately, robbed with popularity, sometimes negatives do come with it,
and she is right, like, let's just keep it real.
Right a year ago, forget five years ago. A year ago,
people weren't really nobody was talking about the w NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Chris, we talked me, we talked about this from jump.
Kaitlin Clark was going to be the hallm Globe trotters
and all these people who never paid attention because she
played basketball.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So different from women.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And the three pointers from the logo Chris and all
the other stuff that got everybody's attention.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
We knew it. We talked about it that this was
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Other people were trying to downplayer Chris and all this
other stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh yeah, wait till she gets in the league? Well
was there about that? Where are those people right? I mean,
she's eating the league up and shows who's still hanging
in there? Rob g on that she's still trying to
fighting the good fight. To be honest with you, she
was like, what does she say? Like, what what does
she say? What is this was three weeks in a row,
(27:09):
right player of the Week? What is what?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Shoe Swoop said, Well, she didn't do it four weeks
in a row. Host recently she was going at stephen A.
Smith over the way that he was pointing out that
she wasn't being objective about it, and then that became
a whole nother situation.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I did see that par she hadn't be an object
objective what I don't know how she's objective?
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Like, I don't know, And I will say, nobody said broadcast,
nobody says she's the greatest player ever.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
No, but they had to pull Cheryl Swoops off of
broadcast because it was so blatantly obvious that she had
it out for.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Kayler, yes, during the game or.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
The next game, the next game, and.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
For her, wow, So what what kind of stuff was
she saying?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
She like, if Kayln Clark was doing anything great, she'd
be silent and she wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Why that's a good question. Why.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I mean, I would get her on, but I don't
think she wants to come on a show anymore.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I mean, well, let's let's is it like?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
And obviously the league has been mostly African American and
there have been some phenomenal players, and like Rob said,
nobody's saying Kitlyn Clark is the greatest.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
No, No, she's played one year, nobody's saying it at all.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
And the league has never gotten major attention. So I
do think some of the black players feel like, well,
we've been we built this league, and we you know,
the league wasn't getting the attention that it should have.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So maybe maybe that's why they're maybe resentful of Caitlyn
Clark and the attention she's brought.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
What I would say, Rob, is that there have been
great white players in the w n b A.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, Brianna Stewart and Deana.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Tarack like a lot, but it's much more than like
the NBA, you know, at least modern day NBA or And.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I just think, you know, with the numbers she got, Chris,
and the TV numbers and all the attention and the
sneakers and you know what I mean, and the endorsements.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
She's been and does race does her being white?
Speaker 6 (29:17):
It doesn't hurts some fans, probably probably because even with
the Diana Tarassis and the Brianna Stewarts and all that.
I mean, it's still the league is still majority black.
You think of Lisa Leslie, you think of Cheryl Swoops
and all the other great African American players who may
have dominated the league.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
And it's it's different, and again not.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
As much with women, but it's still somewhat unique for a.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
White girl to dominate like this. And I think it's American.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Because yeah, because like no other white player has captivated
our imaginations like this, I do it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Her style of plays what separates her from the Donna
Tarassis and the people who you play women basketball, Chris, Diane, I'm.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Sorry, what do I say? Donna?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Sorry, I'm ella, Donna, don Ella, you know all these
all these other great white players. You're right, her style
of play is different and look, we are in the
majority white country.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
The country is still sixty white, so there are just
more white people.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
And if they take to her, they're gonna have more numbers.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And that's gonna if they really take through it, that's
gonna lead to more ratings. It's not things like and.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
We saw that, Chris when uh, you know, Larry Bird
showed though, and that's why I see we.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Made looking Bird. There was also there was a huge
racial element to that. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And and and and also Chris, you know, like it
couldn't have been any more perfect.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
It really couldn't Bird.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
But the white guy in Boston, you know what I'm saying,
Like white guys in Boston, a showman in l a right, like.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
You could glamorous fancy playing, Yeah no, and Rob to
be in. Obviously the w NBA isn't at the level
of the NBL.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But look at this one.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
You got Angel recent Chicago, the black girl in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You got Caitlin Clark in Indiana, the white girl in
like that's worked out. That's interesting too.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
So I just think that that's an element of our
life in this country. Unfortunately, and like we said, Rob,
it was an element with Bird and Mac. Remember when
Bird won three straight MVPs and I was a kid,
but I also was like, man, he won these because
he's white, Like he shouldn't have won three straight like
that and conversation.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And if you remember, Chris, I don't know because you're
you know, five years younger than me. But their announcers, Uh,
what a Celtics for CBS. What the Boston Celtics announcers
Dick Stockton and Tommy Heinzen.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I remember they did the national game.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, but they did the Celtics too, so you know,
like Mike Breen does the Knicks or whatever, they were
the national team.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yes, yes, that's different. Yes, both.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
And that was the big thing is that they would
every bounce passed by Bird. Everything he did like it
was like over the top, like he invented the bounce pass.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
No, absolutely,
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