October 4, 2024 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the New England Patriots are doing the right thing by keeping rookie Drake Maye as their backup even though the team agrees that he’s the best quarterback on the team, tell us why they have a problem with Davante Adams' recent social media usage and discuss the Running Back Renaissance across the the NFL led by Derrick Henry. Plus, former NFL quarterback and FOX Sports Radio NFL analyst Shaun King swings by to discuss the Maye situation, the narrative surrounding Kirk Cousins’ arrival in Atlanta, the best fit for disgruntled wide receiver Davante Adams, what he’s most looking forward to in this Sunday’s Bengals-Ravens showdown!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yo Man, So, you know, we have the conversation about quarterbacks,
right and what do you do with all these young quarterbacks?
And there's been a lot outside of Jayden Daniels who
have struggled this year and even last year, minus Or Sands,
c J Stroud. And now there's some conversation about what
the Patriots are doing with Drake may We heard during
the off season that he's looked good, he's been amazing,
(00:52):
and Jirop Mayos even said, yeah, he's been the best quarterback.
But they're gonna go with Jacoby Brissett. Well, Jacoby Brissett
is exactly what he is backup pro. Everybody seems to
like him, but at the end of the day, you're
not necessarily gonna win a lot of games with Jacoby Brissett,
and now we're hearing the backlash with the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
The players.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They're saying, hey man, we know what the best player,
quarterback is the best give us a chance to win.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We want him in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And Rob, do you have more details about one of them?
Which is very weird, right because he writes for Patriots
dot com and he's one of their people and he
kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Got caught slipping. He's slip big.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't even know how I got on the website
because you know that's usually the candy store.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
There's nothing bad on the team website.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
If you work for the team, you know you better
not put anything out there that's going to get people's
panties in a bunch.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
But this happened. Wedgie's Galower.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That's right, Evan lazarn who works for Patriots dot com.
He's a reporter there. He also hosts their podcast that
they put out on their website about the.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Team, covering the team.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
What is it called Trader, It's called Patriots Catch twenty two.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Geez Louis Benick Arnold better McDonald's dot com.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
What in any event, you know, normally these things are
very rosecolored glasses when we were talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
The sea that Robie, how many times you've been on
Raiders dot com? Never?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I mean, come on, if you're a real fan, I'm
not talking about casual. You're not going there for the information.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Right, Well, we all those real fans messed out because
he dropped.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Somebody dropped the He was on his lightest spot about
that his latest podcast, talking about the quarterback situation. K
dub said, right now, talking about the locker room, they're
teetering on mutiny. And he goes on to explain that
they're at the point now if there's two guys in
the locker room, they all watch these two quarterbacks practice
every single day.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They all know they dropped. Drake made third overall. At
what point in.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Time some of these guys say to themselves, why am
I going out there getting my butt kicked every single
Sunday and Drake can't play? Why am I out there
with the quarterback guy gave me the football when we
had the Ferrari back in the garage. Now that guy
picked up by a couple outlets, so much so that
Patriots dot Com scrubbed the audio from their podcast and
mister Lazarre went on another radio show later in the
(03:02):
days and I kind of went to overstep my bounds,
backtrack the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And you know, because they got because they got to him.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
They called him to the principal's office and said, you're
gonna go on the radio and say that there's no
mutiney going on, and we're gonna take it down, because
if it wasn't, the end of the world would still
be up. They took it down because they didn't want
anybody to get onto that. That's shocking to me that
they made it on their web team.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Watch then you know what happened, right, Not only that,
I think he got in his podcast back where you
just start, you know, talking and letting stuff go and
saying stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And he got in his.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Podcest like the more general podcasts, you know, just having
got he got where he was working. Bro, you work
for US dot com. Okay, you work for US dot com.
Guess who pays you? You see that check say Robert
Kraft up in there, and don't be don't be talking recklessly. However,
I will say I like what the Patriots are doing.
(03:57):
I like which Rob Mayo is do it. I like
that they're like, Look, we have a game plan. Ultimately
we'll see if it works, ultimately, see if it has success.
But the game plan is, Drake may we like what
you're doing. Shoot, I even said it. You have been
the best quarterback from what we're seeing in the offseason
and all of that, and you got the room. People
are loving you. But we don't have to throw you out.
(04:18):
We're not built great right now, we don't have the
team that we want. We're gonna get better, have some acquisitions,
let some of the young draft picks develop, continue to
find our identity, and let you grow. We don't have
to throw you in the wilds in the wild, throw
you into the fire, get you beat up, banged up, hurt,
lose your confidence, struggle.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
What's wrong with that? This place has a winning formula.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I think Mayo has robber Craft's you know, a blessing.
We're not gonna fire you if you have a rough
season right off the bat. We believe in you, We
trust in you. Let's give this this system a go,
Let's give it a try. Let's build this confidence up
and maybe it comes in week eight, week nine. But
we don't have to throw them out there just to
get beat up like everybody else is doing to me.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I like what they're doing. I like that they have
a game plan.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I like that they're sticking with it without the outside noise,
even inside noise of other players kind of snickering and smirking. Wow,
why is he playing? Hey, this is a system. Trust
what we're doing. We're gonna build some here. Let this
kid develop, let him watch, let him learn from Jacoby,
let him learn good, let him learn bad, and they
will get him out there when we're ready. We don't
have to throw them out to get beat up, to
get hurt. And they y'all looking at him like he's
bryce young. But boy man CJ. Stroud got thrown out there,
(05:24):
you get beat up. He looked good all right then.
And there's the point. If the kid can play. The
way you learn how to play is by actually playing.
If he can play, now, I don't get if you're
telling me he ain't can't play.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's something else. But there's no one way of doing it.
Everybody's different. Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, do you
know why? Because they had a Hall of Fame quarterback
who is still playing at a high level. So Aaron
Rodgers love in Green Bay sat for three years too.
Guess what, they had a Hall of Fame quarterback. Now
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you ain't replacing a Hall Hall of Fame quarterback, and
that's a luxury if you haven't.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But you can keep going though. Alex Smith and then
Patrick Mahomes sat behind him there.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
But he only sat. He played the last game and
the dec That's.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Why I said, then you get him in there at
some point of view. But I don't have to rob,
I don't have to rush them out.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But I don't think. I don't think. There's all these guys.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I agree with that, And this is not fair to
the other guys on the team because they're gonna be
held to a different standard. Hey, the team was bad,
I'll tackle. We're gonna get rid of this guy. Give
it that guy.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
We lost all these games, we're gonna get We'll give it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Those guys want to play and have a chance to
win and stick around. It affects their career too. Now
you're on a team that's two and fifteen. What a
they gonna do next year? Get rid of the secondary
we had. If they're fifteen and two and this young
quarterback who they watching practice and they think can play
now can help you win and be better. You got
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a better chance of sticking around. That's why the guy
talked about a mutant in the locker room. You don't
want to be on a two and fifteen team. You
don't want to get butts kicked every people. Then it's like,
it's not only with the Patriots, it's with the other teams.
I don't want that guy. He was in the secondary
with the Patriots. Remember they gave up all those points
and they everything you're saying now, I'm not interested in him.
(07:14):
And if you're good and you're playing the right way,
you'll get picked up. You'll be on another team. I
think we have c. J. Stroud as an anomaly. That's
why we always bring him up. Jaden Daniels is.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
An anomaly right now, guy one O. These guys are
struggling like crazy. Have you seen what they're doing? They
look terrible.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
All these young quarterbacks are struggling and that doesn't last.
But that doesn't mean that Drake May is going to
and I'm not And I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Is My only point is I like that they have
a game plan and like this is what's the game plan.
We're going to allow him to continue to behind the scenes, developed,
to grow, ask the questions, watch the good, watch the
bad by practicing, nobody playing and but not getting killed.
And if I have a team where I don't believe
in right now, I'm like, Yo, this ain't the team.
(08:03):
I don't want to rush him out there. Oh will
be four and you know thirteen. Let's wait, let's see
what's what. We'll get him out there, get him some reps,
and then we'll see what we got. I just like
that they have a system, a way about it. They're
buying into this. And when he's ready, he's ready. When
we want to put him out there. We don't have
to go out there and get him killed just for
the second they see we made Rob Parker happy.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
We got him out there and got him killed.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
No, what if you put him out there and the
guy wins seven straight games?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I mean, you don't know that. You know that I
borrow played right away.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For the Bengals, got hurt his first year, took him
to the Super Bowl his second year. He played right away.
There are situations young players.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
There are situations. I'm just saying it. Majority have.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Kayleb Williams was the best talent we've ever seen, This
best talent since this person since Andrew All, the most
sure assured pick. And he may be in some years,
but right now he's looking worse than Justin Fields. And
we saw what they did with Justin Fields, got him
out of here. No no seeing Botnicks looking like if
you listen to some many people in the NFL, the
(09:05):
GMS and other personnel, a lot of that what the
Bears are doing isn't helping Justin As a point, if
you're don't ready for it yet, why just throw them
out there. I'm not saying it'll never happen. You absolutely
are gonna have quarterbacks that can come out there and
who can play.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
All I'm saying is if he can play and he's
ready to go, that was like the Jordan Love Let
me tell you something, if they really knew back when
they had a chance to trade Aaron Rodgers at the draft,
you remember that whole scenarira to go to Denver, like
they could have got a boatloaded for Aaron Rodgers. I
think coming off an MVPC like that could have happened,
but they weren't confident in Jordan Love. So that's why
(09:42):
they didn't make it happen. And then it wasn't until later,
you know what I mean, a couple of years later,
because you could have had Jordan Love, plus the pluthora
of picks and stuff you would have gotten for every
Rodgers exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What I also like is the fact that to your
point right there, maybe Mayo offensive court, it was like, yo,
he's got the goods.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
This is our guy. He ain't ready right now.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
So when we're ready, no, no, no, and all the players,
Oh he's right.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I hear y'all.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
We've decided offensive coordinators, head coach, quarterback coach. He ain't
ready yet, not saying he ain't good, and y'all see
that he's gonna be good. He's not ready yet for that.
And that's all I'm saying. I and also goes up
to Robert Craft, are like, yo, man, mao, you cool.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
You don't have to worry.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
What am I gonna do? I start freaking, I gotta
start panicing. Man, you good. We didn't hire you for
one half of a season, then we're gonna decide to
fire you because you didn't have a great team. When
our team doesn't even look great period.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That to me, that shows trust within the system and
trust within the organization of like, man, we're building something here,
We're trying to build it up again, so we have
a ten year run, not a year or two run.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I think it's ridiculous that the New England Patriots with
the craft at the helm is holding to mail.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You know what I'm saying. I just bob, geez, what
are you saying?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
We had such a great segment, robber Gie, we had
such a great segment, and then you may owed me
yes man.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
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Speaker 3 (11:18):
Do you know who else gotta hear they saying tire jokes?
That is Sean King, former NFL QB, Fox Sports Radio
NFL analyst Real Sean King on Twitter, Sewan knows about this.
He went down with the King. But the King unfortunately
has to hear these tik thos too.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know about it, Sewn and I work together at
the Four Letter Network.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Then he really had to hear these, right.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Seaw absolutely, and I'm not gonna get on wrong today
because it's Detroit Tigers advanced to the second round of
the baseball playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So shout out to raw Oh giving me a shout out, Wow,
everybody I know. I've worked there for twenty years. I'm
impressed that they made it. And do you give him
a chance against the Guardians?
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Absolutely? Base sport, they're hot at the right time.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Who facts, I'm with you, I'm from with you now.
Everybody back home is rooting for him.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Hey, we were just having this big debate about Drake
May in New England and there's a report that was
taken down or from Patriots dot com that the team
is a mutiny brewing because the players are like, Drake
May is better and he should be playing. Because why
are we playing a guy where we know we're not
going to win and we're all out here getting our
heads beat in and it doesn't amount to anything.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Where are you on that?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Why if Drake May can play and is good enough,
why shouldn't he play.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
This is surprising because of the organization. The Patriots have
been pretty good about doing the right things and very
rarely do you draft their quarterback in the top three
have him matched up with a first time, first year
head coach on a team that doesn't have big expectations.
That's the perfect birthing ground for him to gain experience.
(12:52):
So I don't know why they aren't playing Drake Mays,
thank you. It matches up where everybody else is. I mean,
this is like coach Mayo's first year. It's not like
the Patriots have playoffs, ambitions or expectations. This is a
perfect time, young group of wide receiver, skilled players. This
will be the perfect time for him to get experienced.
So I'm not really sure why the Jacobe Bassett experiment
(13:13):
is still going.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Sean, It's because they want to go bust. He looked
like Bryce Young.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know why.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
They want to let this team develop, Let him grow,
let Mayo find his thing, find an identity, let him
watch behind her set, let him take the beating, and
then we throw him in.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now, how did you learn how to play quarterback in
the NFL? But through practice are playing?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Well? You gotta play, and Rice Young's an outlier. I'm
not gonna let you use him because that owner fired
his head coach and coordinator halfway through his first season,
and that's what.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
They might he out there that happened?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
So I mean it was Curblent there his best player
last year, with Adam feeling like that kid had no
shot whatsoever. So I don't think the scenarios match. I
think the Patriots are making the mistakes. Let's say, because
Drake May played pretty good in the preseason, looked like
he was ready to go out and start gaining experience.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Where are you on Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I thought that was a strange signing, a lot of
money for god coming off of major injury or injury
at least, and was surprised. But he had a big
win last night that three and two tied for the
best record in their division. What do you make of
Kirk Cousins and his impact on the Falcons.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I thought it was a perfect signing because of their youth.
You gotta look at their skill guys, but Jarn Robinson,
Drake Lenning, Kyle Pitts Oh really early in their careers.
They needed a veteran, experienced presence at quarterback. The only
reason people are questioning the Kirk Cousins move is because
they drafted Mike Pennick after signing Kirk Cousins. But I
think him and Zach Robinson are finally getting on the
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same page. I think he's getting more familiar with the offense.
If you look at the Pittsburgh game. In the opener,
he was hesitant, wouldn't let the ball go. Now he's
throwing it with anticipation. I think they're gonna get better
and better, and they have a really talented young player
in the wings. If Kirk gets hurt or if you know,
he gets old overnight.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, you can absolutely tell he's starting to even believe
in at Achilles a little bit more, starting to get
some trust in that. You know, it takes a long
time mentally, as you know, for players that believe in
that they're actually healed from some of their injury.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Sean King, former.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
NFL quarterback, Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts joining us now.
The conversation also the news is what do you do
with Davonte Adams? Where does he go? He goes to
Baltimore and Rob and I had the conversation of what
if he goes to Baltimore? He posted that thing on Instagram.
Edgar Allen Poe the raven He's you know, the Ravens
obviously would love to have him. What do you make
(15:41):
of that, and then just where do you think he's
the best fit. Let's just say all things were available,
where is he the best fit.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I think he's the best fit in Kansas City, but
I don't think Kardas City will touch him. I think
Kansas City likes their culture, even though where she writes
me in out for a while, they like where they're at.
To bring in a guy that's very talented but also moody,
I don't think Andy Reid would do that. Here's what
you gotta do. You gotta look at the Raiders. What's
the priority to move the Vonte Adams because he's causing
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turmoil and getting in the way of what Antonio trump
Piers is trying to get or to get the most value.
To me, that's the question. Because it's a lot of
places that he can go and make them better. Baltimore,
New York. I mean, he's a really good player, guys,
so wherever he goes, they're going to be better. I
just think it has to be a team that has
a lot of veterans that's on the playoffs, super Bowl platform,
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because that's what he wants. He's looking at this from
a career standpoint, if he expends the next few years
in Las Vegas and they don't make the playoffs and
don't win, all of a sudden he doesn't look like
a first ballot Hall of Fame. And go somewhere else
and be on a winning team and play in those big,
high profile games and do what he's done his whole career,
and he's more likely to get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
How about that? I agree with that. I think that's
spot on Antonio Piers.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like a coach going on social media liking something, I
just don't understand that he's a former player. He understands Sean,
you played in the league, Like for your coach to
do that, what would be the purpose of a coach
to do that.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I just think that's who AP is, And I don't
think players have a problem with a guy that's consistently
who he is. I think those guys really like AP.
I think AP is establishing this year that he's not
the interim head coach. He gives the head coach. If
your effort, you know, in your attention to detail, is
in what he desires, then you'll be going. And I
think the post like was letting his players know I
(17:38):
see everything, and I'm not trying to have from the
fact that I see everything, So I.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Think that's immature. I just think that's immature. I'm surprised
that guy.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
But you like Ribs wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I love yes, he does five.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
So how many different ways can you make Ribs and
they still be great? I mean, it's a whole lot
of ways to coach a team and be really good
at it, and AP's doing it the way that matches
his personality. I just think we got to sit back
and see if it works well.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Well, but it's not working so far.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
They're two and two. They beat the Ravens in the Browns.
Those are games before the season, nobody thought the Raiders would.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Have won, and they lost to the Panthers. After they
beat the Ravens, that to me is a bigger indication.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I tell you this every time I come on the show.
I tell you you're a great talker, very average listener.
Anybody can beat anybody in the NFL if you don't
show up with your no.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
But that's how you build on something.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
After a big win on the road against Baltimore, it
tells you about your team and if they were ready
or not. There's no way that Carolina should have beat them,
No way, But they.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Came back and they beat the Browns. Give credit? What
credit is do? He's two and two? They still control
their own destinies.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
What my master card? I don't have to give credit to.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
But you also should be fair. You want people to
be fair with you.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Well, he's only fair when it fits him. I did
with that every day, Sean. We'll get you, get you
out of here. On this one, I'm looking at the schedule.
Best game this week is what is it? The Bill's Texans,
which obviously two three and one teams, two teams that
are trying to get the game game. Well, you can
maybe tell me who you're liking that. And also this
one is the actual win. Losses are great. But Ravens Bengals,
(19:19):
this might be doing die for the Bengals those two games.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Where are you looking at?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Well, the Bengals are Hordy in the grave. We've already
had that funeral. They're done. Oh really, that's the most
unathletic defense I'm standing in the NFL in a long time. Wow,
they're not stopping anybody with those eleven guys. They're trying
out there right now. So I think it's history for them.
So I think Buffalo and Houston is a big matchup
simply because Buffalo lost a little bit of their luster
(19:42):
in the loss of the Ravens. Can they get it back?
And Houston's probably the most least talked about three and
one team in the league had not like.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
People had them going to the Super Bowls. It doesn't
feel like that this year, doesn't right.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
They played uneven but they ended up winning those games,
so we'll see where they at. They're balanced, some injuries,
but I think that's the marquee game this weekend, Stroud
versus Allan.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
All Right, that's the man in that game. Who do
you like?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I like Buffalo. I think Buffalo I got you You
Allen are gonna be a real issue as we move
on in the season. I like Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
That's gonna be a good game, though.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Man, that is gonna be a good showing them coming
to Vegas tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I'm gonna be there for one night. I'm gonna texch you.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Let's teach the targets game. Man. You guys, enjoy yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You Sean, Why you set that up like that? You
know you ain't got no time. You you literally about
to be one night on see Why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, because he could always come by the hotel and
have a drink or something.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
You want of those people, set it up, invite people.
Then how you put it all on Rob because Robb
is gonna hit him next week? Hey, you want to
join the show?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Like, wait, what Rob Barkat didn't hit me up?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
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Speaker 1 (20:58):
But you were talking about DeVante Adam, let's go there.
Just posting these cryptic posts on social media.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's one of the downsides of social media to me
is like we start to get these cryptic, weird innu
window subliminal messages like I'm just from that. I would
prefer you to list straight say it. I prefer him
to post, to make a post that says, hey, look,
at the end of the day, is a business you
know on their end of my end, and I'm ready
to you know, move on or just not post or
(21:29):
put a put a freaking Saints logo up there and
like say, all right, this is where I want to go.
But the cryptic things, the if you're Antonio Pierce liking
a post, but they're not admitting you liked it or not.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I'm just focused on the next game. We're focused on
Denver or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Like, Man, sometimes you got to say it with your
chest and I like that. And one of my favorite
athletes of all time is Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
You know how I feel about them.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But even la Lebron drives me crazy with his passive
aggressive doesn't too. We're like, he'll just after maybe the
media has some narrative, He'll just post a weird picture
of a cartoon character.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Remember the one who was it?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Arthur?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Rob g Remember you had the fist Arthur's fists? Like, Okay,
is he watching it with his daughter who was really
young at the time. Is he meaning something by this?
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
But is it a black power fist? Like I don't
know what this means? Lebron?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You know, like and it just drives me crazy. How
now social media you can do like the whole Oh
I didn't say that, I didn't mean it, or what
was your you? Rob Parker go to interview that, Hey,
we saw you posted this thing. What it exactly did
it mean? Oh, I don't know. I just pulled. What
do you think it means? I don't like that. Just
say it with your chest, or don't say it, post
it and post it, mean it, or you know, say
(22:37):
what you mean. But this whole cryptic DeVante Adams posting
a raven or Edgar Allen Poe who wrote The raven
and like, what does it mean? Is it poetry? Are
you saying it's poetic that I'm trying to go to
the Ravens? We're about to play the Ravens? Like, I
just don't like all of that. Man. I think that's
one of the few things, uh, one of the several
things actually, But that drives me crazy about social media
(22:58):
allows these players now to kind of have these weird
cryptic posts and speaking subliminals.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
To me, that drives us.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Crazy because then Robert Parker or you know, Rob Parker
writes an article about it and they're like, no, that's
not what I mean, that's not what I said you.
I don't know what you posted a fist. What does
that means? You posted this? So I just just sometimes,
to me, just say it or don't say it at all.
If you know your name is in the media right now.
(23:25):
You know, we're having these conversations about you being traded,
rumors are being traded, rumors about this or that.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
They just don't post.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's okay, it's okay to not post or post exactly
how you feel and say it.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
What's your chest just drives me crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, but most guys they don't want to say with
their chest. They kind of want to hide behind it.
Just be honest, be upfront. I'm with you on that
all the way.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I don't mind them being on social media. I think
some of them do great stuff. It's good to get
some inside look behind the scenes. Wow, okay, this is
how he's living on a wild beautiful family.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I get that, totally with it. Some of them had
great causes and great charities. They do a lot of
great posts on that. But the cryptic weird in the
middle of your name being in the media stuff and
you just post a weird picture that leaves it up
to our interpretation. I don't think it does anyone's service,
including yourself, because again you allow then for us to
run with what that post means, what that picture means,
what that quote from your favorite person means. I suppose
(24:15):
to you actually saying it or saying nothing. You make
a compelling argument. Hard to argue with that. I'm with you.
I want to switch here to football though.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, and football from this standpoint of what we've seen
from Derrick Henry with the we thought even when he
got picked up that that was what a great move
because you remember we talked about the Ravens losing that
AFC championship game.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
They didn't run the football. They went away from what
they do right.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And they went back to it when they ran the
football last year. I think they only lost one game
all year when they rushed over twenty times in a game.
That game, somehow they only had six rushes from their
running backs or something four or six rushes, which was ridiculous.
But anyway, Derrick Henry and it's great to see a back,
(25:02):
a real workload, workhorse kind of back in the NFL.
I'm enjoying watching them play.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
One hundred percent. And I think it's we've gotten away
from it right. Yes, a reminder, yo, you can have
success and have one singular back that's the feature back,
not that they don't use other backs. Lamar Jackson by
all and purposes runs like a running back, and you
have others, but this is our hog, this is our
feature back. This is who we're giving the ball to
twenty to thirty times in his game. And you'll see
(25:30):
Sa Kuon Barkley and the Eagles, you know when they
lost when they stopped giving him the ball. Enough, Give
Sa Kuon Barkley the ball, you know, Christian McCaffrey went healthy.
Give them the ball, whether it's running, whether it's passing.
But as great Jonathan Taylor, the more Colts having success,
give Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
They downgraded the position. They didn't want to pay anybody.
You remember we saw Danny Dimes get all that money
from the Giants, right.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Sa Kwon Barker in their face.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But he was the reason that made Danny Dimes even
viable because to worry about him and the back exactly.
And so I don't I didn't understand that how we
got away from it and just became like arena football,
just throwing the football every down, and running backs are
so important. The other part is, you know, in in
a game this time and a place where you need
(26:17):
a two or three yard rush torch down, and you
can't get it because you don't have a running back.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It makes the difference between icing.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The game because you got the first down and not
the clock is eating up, or not being able to
close out the game and having to give the ball
back to the other team and then they come back down,
kick a field goal, tide the game.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Or beat you. I mean, you look at the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
What makes them also effective, especially the last couple years
of Pachenko, you know what I mean, as much as
we talk about Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes ain't been putting
up Patrick Mahome numbers that we're accustomed to, and Pochenco
has been, you know, one of their big staples in
that offense. You know, listen, I know we're not in
the Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Thurman Thomas era again, where
every team's.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Trying to have this amazing feature back.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I think I was telling Rob g I think the
last little era of that, remember that was that like
Laedani and Thomason, Priest Holmes, Sewn Alexander maybe a little
bit after that. You know, where you have this feature
back who's getting you twenty five, six, seven, eight touchdowns
in a year. But it's good to just see and
I love that Derrick Henry. They're starting to put up
his numbers. He's a few yards away. I think it's
(27:23):
like eleven or twelve yards away from having ten thousand
career yards, which most of the guys in ninety percent
of them who have that are in the Hall of Fame.
The other couple will be soon. Adrian Peterson will be
there shortly, and so you expect Derek Henry being there too.
And I just like the guy. He's a workhorse. He
does what he does and he makes that team better.
So you wonder if you know another team that's doing that,
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who arguably is the best team in the entire NFC.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
The Lions. You are getting ran.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
They are running it down every team's throat weekend in
a week out, and then they light you up with
the play action with Jared Goff after that.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And then don't forget Jim Harball now as a coach,
gennsc doobons doing what he's healthy as well. But you
are starting to see a shift back to running the football.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
So this year, let me give you a number.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
This year, teams are averaging four point five yards per carry,
which is tied for the best mark in the in
NFL history.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Think about that.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They are also rushing one hundred and twenty four point
nine rushing yards per game, which is the most since
nineteen eighty seven. So the running game is a back.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And the number they're using quarterback ja Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen.
That's another big part of it, Jalen Hurts and I
think what they're also realizing too, and when you look
at the numbers of why passing is down, partly we've
had these conversations just because they're also saying, wait, why
aren't we running more? If I got Jalen Hurts, let
me just stop playing around and let Jalen Hurts where
(28:47):
I got Lamar Jackson, Let's not be cute against the Chiefs,
And well, we'll do this and Hi, we'll trick him
then pack run. It's Lamar Jackson, Jayden Daniels as I
found a great way of doing that. Kyler Murray's gotten
back to doing that as well. Justin fields is a
really good balance of running and passing. So you have
this ability to run with the running back with the quarterbacks,
and it just changes the game. And I think that's
(29:09):
why we're gonna see passing numbers be down. They're down
also because kams just teams are starting to get acclimated,
getting more reps. They're not doing they're not playing in preseason.
You got new players, Guys are injured, they're starting to
get healthy. You got new quarterbacks and new positions and
new offensive coordinators. I think the passing yards will pick
up some, but I don't think they'll get back to
those numbers we had, you know, the last six, seven,
(29:30):
eight years, because people are gonna run the ball more
and see it's effective and you can run the ballplayers defense.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I never could understand that, and I understand like some
of the talented passers in the league or whatever, but
still there's got to be a balance. You can't be
one dimensional. And I'm not talking about run the ball
every down. What was that Patriots game with Matt Jones?
Remember you only threw the ball? What was it, rob
g three times? You remember that game? Like, which was
they ran the ball every single was like watching like
(29:58):
an Army Navy game or something.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I was like, And then you wonder why they're trying
to let Drake may sit. That's why the like Drake
makes it, They're like, oh, you know what let's just
let him sit back, relax and learn a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Let him grow a little bit. But by the way,
where is Mac Jones? He calling the game somewhere Jacksonville.
I lost sight of him. Oh that's just brutal. Could you?
Wasn't he like his first year he was? Yeah, he
wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You're like, all right, first year was pretty Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. You gotta put the copy on the
Pro Bowl guys. I'm not going next guy. I'm not
going third guy. I'm not going fourth guy.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I'll go that's mad disrespectful for snoop on league because
he had that in his WIKIPEDIESI was off a good quarterback,
and he's a Pro Bowl quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Right, Matt Staffords the Pro Bowl quarterback on top? Whoa, whoa,
he's a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Let's start there. Remember
that pick Rob g in the Super Bowl? Remember that
pick he threw I dropped Where did he throw it at?
Speaker 5 (30:53):
I mean Jikwaski tart JIKWASI dropped the pick in the
NCY James game and was out of the league after him.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I mean, that's let me.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Maybe that's why he wasn't that good. That's why he
dropped it in the first place. Dude, he ain't Mautvioln Butler.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You ever watched that? You haven't watched that over?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
No, no, no, because he mat Because Matthew Stafford went
to the super Bowl and won. Okay, how could you
watch him covering Detroit all those years and see that
we had a guy that the number one pick and
they were like, oh, you know you're gonna go to
Detroit And he was like, I embraced this. He didn't
eli manning us your guy. He said, I'm going to Detroit.
I'm gonna help be a thing that transforms this. Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
This didn't win a playoff game and got him to
the postseason show. We won't even getting the postseason. We
weren't even thinking about.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
We were ah in sixteen. Can't believe you hate on
Matthew Stafford. You watched that man grit through injuries. How
could he's there's a few people I can understand you hate.
How can you hate on Matthew Stafford likable guy, tough guy, talented?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
How can you hate on Matthew Stafford? Stat Patford? What
I see all time now? Nickname
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yo Man, So, you know, we have the conversation about quarterbacks,
right and what do you do with all these young quarterbacks?
And there's been a lot outside of Jayden Daniels who
have struggled this year and even last year, minus Or Sands,
c J Stroud. And now there's some conversation about what
the Patriots are doing with Drake may We heard during
the off season that he's looked good, he's been amazing,
(00:52):
and Jirop Mayos even said, yeah, he's been the best quarterback.
But they're gonna go with Jacoby Brissett. Well, Jacoby Brissett
is exactly what he is backup pro. Everybody seems to
like him, but at the end of the day, you're
not necessarily gonna win a lot of games with Jacoby Brissett,
and now we're hearing the backlash with the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
The players.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They're saying, hey man, we know what the best player,
quarterback is the best give us a chance to win.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We want him in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And Rob, do you have more details about one of them?
Which is very weird, right because he writes for Patriots
dot com and he's one of their people and he
kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Got caught slipping. He's slip big.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't even know how I got on the website
because you know that's usually the candy store.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
There's nothing bad on the team website.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
If you work for the team, you know you better
not put anything out there that's going to get people's
panties in a bunch.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
But this happened. Wedgie's Galower.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That's right, Evan lazarn who works for Patriots dot com.
He's a reporter there. He also hosts their podcast that
they put out on their website about the.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Team, covering the team.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
What is it called Trader, It's called Patriots Catch twenty two.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Geez Louis Benick Arnold better McDonald's dot com.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
What in any event, you know, normally these things are
very rosecolored glasses when we were talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
The sea that Robie, how many times you've been on
Raiders dot com? Never?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I mean, come on, if you're a real fan, I'm
not talking about casual. You're not going there for the information.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Right, Well, we all those real fans messed out because
he dropped.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Somebody dropped the He was on his lightest spot about
that his latest podcast, talking about the quarterback situation. K
dub said, right now, talking about the locker room, they're
teetering on mutiny. And he goes on to explain that
they're at the point now if there's two guys in
the locker room, they all watch these two quarterbacks practice
every single day.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They all know they dropped. Drake made third overall. At
what point in.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Time some of these guys say to themselves, why am
I going out there getting my butt kicked every single
Sunday and Drake can't play? Why am I out there
with the quarterback guy gave me the football when we
had the Ferrari back in the garage. Now that guy
picked up by a couple outlets, so much so that
Patriots dot Com scrubbed the audio from their podcast and
mister Lazarre went on another radio show later in the
(03:02):
days and I kind of went to overstep my bounds,
backtrack the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And you know, because they got because they got to him.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
They called him to the principal's office and said, you're
gonna go on the radio and say that there's no
mutiney going on, and we're gonna take it down, because
if it wasn't, the end of the world would still
be up. They took it down because they didn't want
anybody to get onto that. That's shocking to me that
they made it on their web team.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Watch then you know what happened, right, Not only that,
I think he got in his podcast back where you
just start, you know, talking and letting stuff go and
saying stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And he got in his.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Podcest like the more general podcasts, you know, just having
got he got where he was working. Bro, you work
for US dot com. Okay, you work for US dot com.
Guess who pays you? You see that check say Robert
Kraft up in there, and don't be don't be talking recklessly. However,
I will say I like what the Patriots are doing.
(03:57):
I like which Rob Mayo is do it. I like
that they're like, Look, we have a game plan. Ultimately
we'll see if it works, ultimately, see if it has success.
But the game plan is, Drake may we like what
you're doing. Shoot, I even said it. You have been
the best quarterback from what we're seeing in the offseason
and all of that, and you got the room. People
are loving you. But we don't have to throw you out.
(04:18):
We're not built great right now, we don't have the
team that we want. We're gonna get better, have some acquisitions,
let some of the young draft picks develop, continue to
find our identity, and let you grow. We don't have
to throw you in the wilds in the wild, throw
you into the fire, get you beat up, banged up, hurt,
lose your confidence, struggle.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
What's wrong with that? This place has a winning formula.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I think Mayo has robber Craft's you know, a blessing.
We're not gonna fire you if you have a rough
season right off the bat. We believe in you, We
trust in you. Let's give this this system a go,
Let's give it a try. Let's build this confidence up
and maybe it comes in week eight, week nine. But
we don't have to throw them out there just to
get beat up like everybody else is doing to me.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I like what they're doing. I like that they have
a game plan.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I like that they're sticking with it without the outside noise,
even inside noise of other players kind of snickering and smirking. Wow,
why is he playing? Hey, this is a system. Trust
what we're doing. We're gonna build some here. Let this
kid develop, let him watch, let him learn from Jacoby,
let him learn good, let him learn bad, and they
will get him out there when we're ready. We don't
have to throw them out to get beat up, to
get hurt. And they y'all looking at him like he's
bryce young. But boy man CJ. Stroud got thrown out there,
(05:24):
you get beat up. He looked good all right then.
And there's the point. If the kid can play. The
way you learn how to play is by actually playing.
If he can play, now, I don't get if you're
telling me he ain't can't play.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's something else. But there's no one way of doing it.
Everybody's different. Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, do you
know why? Because they had a Hall of Fame quarterback
who is still playing at a high level. So Aaron
Rodgers love in Green Bay sat for three years too.
Guess what, they had a Hall of Fame quarterback. Now
(05:58):
you ain't replacing a Hall Hall of Fame quarterback, and
that's a luxury if you haven't.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But you can keep going though. Alex Smith and then
Patrick Mahomes sat behind him there.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
But he only sat. He played the last game and
the dec That's.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Why I said, then you get him in there at
some point of view. But I don't have to rob,
I don't have to rush them out.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But I don't think. I don't think. There's all these guys.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I agree with that, And this is not fair to
the other guys on the team because they're gonna be
held to a different standard. Hey, the team was bad,
I'll tackle. We're gonna get rid of this guy. Give
it that guy.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
We lost all these games, we're gonna get We'll give it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Those guys want to play and have a chance to
win and stick around. It affects their career too. Now
you're on a team that's two and fifteen. What a
they gonna do next year? Get rid of the secondary
we had. If they're fifteen and two and this young
quarterback who they watching practice and they think can play
now can help you win and be better. You got
(06:52):
a better chance of sticking around. That's why the guy
talked about a mutant in the locker room. You don't
want to be on a two and fifteen team. You
don't want to get butts kicked every people. Then it's like,
it's not only with the Patriots, it's with the other teams.
I don't want that guy. He was in the secondary
with the Patriots. Remember they gave up all those points
and they everything you're saying now, I'm not interested in him.
(07:14):
And if you're good and you're playing the right way,
you'll get picked up. You'll be on another team. I
think we have c. J. Stroud as an anomaly. That's
why we always bring him up. Jaden Daniels is.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
An anomaly right now, guy one O. These guys are
struggling like crazy. Have you seen what they're doing? They
look terrible.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
All these young quarterbacks are struggling and that doesn't last.
But that doesn't mean that Drake May is going to
and I'm not And I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Is My only point is I like that they have
a game plan and like this is what's the game plan.
We're going to allow him to continue to behind the scenes, developed,
to grow, ask the questions, watch the good, watch the
bad by practicing, nobody playing and but not getting killed.
And if I have a team where I don't believe
in right now, I'm like, Yo, this ain't the team.
(08:03):
I don't want to rush him out there. Oh will
be four and you know thirteen. Let's wait, let's see
what's what. We'll get him out there, get him some reps,
and then we'll see what we got. I just like
that they have a system, a way about it. They're
buying into this. And when he's ready, he's ready. When
we want to put him out there. We don't have
to go out there and get him killed just for
the second they see we made Rob Parker happy.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
We got him out there and got him killed.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
No, what if you put him out there and the
guy wins seven straight games?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I mean, you don't know that. You know that I
borrow played right away.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For the Bengals, got hurt his first year, took him
to the Super Bowl his second year. He played right away.
There are situations young players.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
There are situations. I'm just saying it. Majority have.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Kayleb Williams was the best talent we've ever seen, This
best talent since this person since Andrew All, the most
sure assured pick. And he may be in some years,
but right now he's looking worse than Justin Fields. And
we saw what they did with Justin Fields, got him
out of here. No no seeing Botnicks looking like if
you listen to some many people in the NFL, the
(09:05):
GMS and other personnel, a lot of that what the
Bears are doing isn't helping Justin As a point, if
you're don't ready for it yet, why just throw them
out there. I'm not saying it'll never happen. You absolutely
are gonna have quarterbacks that can come out there and
who can play.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
All I'm saying is if he can play and he's
ready to go, that was like the Jordan Love Let
me tell you something, if they really knew back when
they had a chance to trade Aaron Rodgers at the draft,
you remember that whole scenarira to go to Denver, like
they could have got a boatloaded for Aaron Rodgers. I
think coming off an MVPC like that could have happened,
but they weren't confident in Jordan Love. So that's why
(09:42):
they didn't make it happen. And then it wasn't until later,
you know what I mean, a couple of years later,
because you could have had Jordan Love, plus the pluthora
of picks and stuff you would have gotten for every
Rodgers exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What I also like is the fact that to your
point right there, maybe Mayo offensive court, it was like, yo,
he's got the goods.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
This is our guy. He ain't ready right now.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
So when we're ready, no, no, no, and all the players,
Oh he's right.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I hear y'all.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
We've decided offensive coordinators, head coach, quarterback coach. He ain't
ready yet, not saying he ain't good, and y'all see
that he's gonna be good. He's not ready yet for that.
And that's all I'm saying. I and also goes up
to Robert Craft, are like, yo, man, mao, you cool.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
You don't have to worry.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
What am I gonna do? I start freaking, I gotta
start panicing. Man, you good. We didn't hire you for
one half of a season, then we're gonna decide to
fire you because you didn't have a great team. When
our team doesn't even look great period.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That to me, that shows trust within the system and
trust within the organization of like, man, we're building something here,
We're trying to build it up again, so we have
a ten year run, not a year or two run.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I think it's ridiculous that the New England Patriots with
the craft at the helm is holding to mail.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You know what I'm saying. I just bob, geez, what
are you saying?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
We had such a great segment, robber Gie, we had
such a great segment, and then you may owed me
yes man.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
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Speaker 3 (11:18):
Do you know who else gotta hear they saying tire jokes?
That is Sean King, former NFL QB, Fox Sports Radio
NFL analyst Real Sean King on Twitter, Sewan knows about this.
He went down with the King. But the King unfortunately
has to hear these tik thos too.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know about it, Sewn and I work together at
the Four Letter Network.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Then he really had to hear these, right.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Seaw absolutely, and I'm not gonna get on wrong today
because it's Detroit Tigers advanced to the second round of
the baseball playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So shout out to raw Oh giving me a shout out, Wow,
everybody I know. I've worked there for twenty years. I'm
impressed that they made it. And do you give him
a chance against the Guardians?
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Absolutely? Base sport, they're hot at the right time.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Who facts, I'm with you, I'm from with you now.
Everybody back home is rooting for him.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Hey, we were just having this big debate about Drake
May in New England and there's a report that was
taken down or from Patriots dot com that the team
is a mutiny brewing because the players are like, Drake
May is better and he should be playing. Because why
are we playing a guy where we know we're not
going to win and we're all out here getting our
heads beat in and it doesn't amount to anything.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Where are you on that?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Why if Drake May can play and is good enough,
why shouldn't he play.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
This is surprising because of the organization. The Patriots have
been pretty good about doing the right things and very
rarely do you draft their quarterback in the top three
have him matched up with a first time, first year
head coach on a team that doesn't have big expectations.
That's the perfect birthing ground for him to gain experience.
(12:52):
So I don't know why they aren't playing Drake Mays,
thank you. It matches up where everybody else is. I mean,
this is like coach Mayo's first year. It's not like
the Patriots have playoffs, ambitions or expectations. This is a
perfect time, young group of wide receiver, skilled players. This
will be the perfect time for him to get experienced.
So I'm not really sure why the Jacobe Bassett experiment
(13:13):
is still going.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Sean, It's because they want to go bust. He looked
like Bryce Young.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know why.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
They want to let this team develop, Let him grow,
let Mayo find his thing, find an identity, let him
watch behind her set, let him take the beating, and
then we throw him in.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now, how did you learn how to play quarterback in
the NFL? But through practice are playing?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Well? You gotta play, and Rice Young's an outlier. I'm
not gonna let you use him because that owner fired
his head coach and coordinator halfway through his first season,
and that's what.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
They might he out there that happened?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
So I mean it was Curblent there his best player
last year, with Adam feeling like that kid had no
shot whatsoever. So I don't think the scenarios match. I
think the Patriots are making the mistakes. Let's say, because
Drake May played pretty good in the preseason, looked like
he was ready to go out and start gaining experience.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Where are you on Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I thought that was a strange signing, a lot of
money for god coming off of major injury or injury
at least, and was surprised. But he had a big
win last night that three and two tied for the
best record in their division. What do you make of
Kirk Cousins and his impact on the Falcons.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I thought it was a perfect signing because of their youth.
You gotta look at their skill guys, but Jarn Robinson,
Drake Lenning, Kyle Pitts Oh really early in their careers.
They needed a veteran, experienced presence at quarterback. The only
reason people are questioning the Kirk Cousins move is because
they drafted Mike Pennick after signing Kirk Cousins. But I
think him and Zach Robinson are finally getting on the
(14:50):
same page. I think he's getting more familiar with the offense.
If you look at the Pittsburgh game. In the opener,
he was hesitant, wouldn't let the ball go. Now he's
throwing it with anticipation. I think they're gonna get better
and better, and they have a really talented young player
in the wings. If Kirk gets hurt or if you know,
he gets old overnight.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, you can absolutely tell he's starting to even believe
in at Achilles a little bit more, starting to get
some trust in that. You know, it takes a long
time mentally, as you know, for players that believe in
that they're actually healed from some of their injury.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Sean King, former.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
NFL quarterback, Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts joining us now.
The conversation also the news is what do you do
with Davonte Adams? Where does he go? He goes to
Baltimore and Rob and I had the conversation of what
if he goes to Baltimore? He posted that thing on Instagram.
Edgar Allen Poe the raven He's you know, the Ravens
obviously would love to have him. What do you make
(15:41):
of that, and then just where do you think he's
the best fit. Let's just say all things were available,
where is he the best fit.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I think he's the best fit in Kansas City, but
I don't think Kardas City will touch him. I think
Kansas City likes their culture, even though where she writes
me in out for a while, they like where they're at.
To bring in a guy that's very talented but also moody,
I don't think Andy Reid would do that. Here's what
you gotta do. You gotta look at the Raiders. What's
the priority to move the Vonte Adams because he's causing
(16:10):
turmoil and getting in the way of what Antonio trump
Piers is trying to get or to get the most value.
To me, that's the question. Because it's a lot of
places that he can go and make them better. Baltimore,
New York. I mean, he's a really good player, guys,
so wherever he goes, they're going to be better. I
just think it has to be a team that has
a lot of veterans that's on the playoffs, super Bowl platform,
(16:34):
because that's what he wants. He's looking at this from
a career standpoint, if he expends the next few years
in Las Vegas and they don't make the playoffs and
don't win, all of a sudden he doesn't look like
a first ballot Hall of Fame. And go somewhere else
and be on a winning team and play in those big,
high profile games and do what he's done his whole career,
and he's more likely to get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
How about that? I agree with that. I think that's
spot on Antonio Piers.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like a coach going on social media liking something, I
just don't understand that he's a former player. He understands Sean,
you played in the league, Like for your coach to
do that, what would be the purpose of a coach
to do that.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I just think that's who AP is, And I don't
think players have a problem with a guy that's consistently
who he is. I think those guys really like AP.
I think AP is establishing this year that he's not
the interim head coach. He gives the head coach. If
your effort, you know, in your attention to detail, is
in what he desires, then you'll be going. And I
think the post like was letting his players know I
(17:38):
see everything, and I'm not trying to have from the
fact that I see everything, So I.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Think that's immature. I just think that's immature. I'm surprised
that guy.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
But you like Ribs wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I love yes, he does five.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
So how many different ways can you make Ribs and
they still be great? I mean, it's a whole lot
of ways to coach a team and be really good
at it, and AP's doing it the way that matches
his personality. I just think we got to sit back
and see if it works well.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Well, but it's not working so far.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
They're two and two. They beat the Ravens in the Browns.
Those are games before the season, nobody thought the Raiders would.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Have won, and they lost to the Panthers. After they
beat the Ravens, that to me is a bigger indication.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I tell you this every time I come on the show.
I tell you you're a great talker, very average listener.
Anybody can beat anybody in the NFL if you don't
show up with your no.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
But that's how you build on something.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
After a big win on the road against Baltimore, it
tells you about your team and if they were ready
or not. There's no way that Carolina should have beat them,
No way, But they.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Came back and they beat the Browns. Give credit? What
credit is do? He's two and two? They still control
their own destinies.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
What my master card? I don't have to give credit to.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
But you also should be fair. You want people to
be fair with you.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Well, he's only fair when it fits him. I did
with that every day, Sean. We'll get you, get you
out of here. On this one, I'm looking at the schedule.
Best game this week is what is it? The Bill's Texans,
which obviously two three and one teams, two teams that
are trying to get the game game. Well, you can
maybe tell me who you're liking that. And also this
one is the actual win. Losses are great. But Ravens Bengals,
(19:19):
this might be doing die for the Bengals those two games.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Where are you looking at?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Well, the Bengals are Hordy in the grave. We've already
had that funeral. They're done. Oh really, that's the most
unathletic defense I'm standing in the NFL in a long time. Wow,
they're not stopping anybody with those eleven guys. They're trying
out there right now. So I think it's history for them.
So I think Buffalo and Houston is a big matchup
simply because Buffalo lost a little bit of their luster
(19:42):
in the loss of the Ravens. Can they get it back?
And Houston's probably the most least talked about three and
one team in the league had not like.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
People had them going to the Super Bowls. It doesn't
feel like that this year, doesn't right.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
They played uneven but they ended up winning those games,
so we'll see where they at. They're balanced, some injuries,
but I think that's the marquee game this weekend, Stroud
versus Allan.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
All Right, that's the man in that game. Who do
you like?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I like Buffalo. I think Buffalo I got you You
Allen are gonna be a real issue as we move
on in the season. I like Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
That's gonna be a good game, though.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Man, that is gonna be a good showing them coming
to Vegas tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I'm gonna be there for one night. I'm gonna texch you.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Let's teach the targets game. Man. You guys, enjoy yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You Sean, Why you set that up like that? You
know you ain't got no time. You you literally about
to be one night on see Why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, because he could always come by the hotel and
have a drink or something.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
You want of those people, set it up, invite people.
Then how you put it all on Rob because Robb
is gonna hit him next week? Hey, you want to
join the show?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Like, wait, what Rob Barkat didn't hit me up?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
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Speaker 1 (20:58):
But you were talking about DeVante Adam, let's go there.
Just posting these cryptic posts on social media.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's one of the downsides of social media to me
is like we start to get these cryptic, weird innu
window subliminal messages like I'm just from that. I would
prefer you to list straight say it. I prefer him
to post, to make a post that says, hey, look,
at the end of the day, is a business you
know on their end of my end, and I'm ready
to you know, move on or just not post or
(21:29):
put a put a freaking Saints logo up there and
like say, all right, this is where I want to go.
But the cryptic things, the if you're Antonio Pierce liking
a post, but they're not admitting you liked it or not.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I'm just focused on the next game. We're focused on
Denver or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Like, Man, sometimes you got to say it with your
chest and I like that. And one of my favorite
athletes of all time is Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
You know how I feel about them.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But even la Lebron drives me crazy with his passive
aggressive doesn't too. We're like, he'll just after maybe the
media has some narrative, He'll just post a weird picture
of a cartoon character.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Remember the one who was it?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Arthur?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Rob g Remember you had the fist Arthur's fists? Like, Okay,
is he watching it with his daughter who was really
young at the time. Is he meaning something by this?
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
But is it a black power fist? Like I don't
know what this means? Lebron?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You know, like and it just drives me crazy. How
now social media you can do like the whole Oh
I didn't say that, I didn't mean it, or what
was your you? Rob Parker go to interview that, Hey,
we saw you posted this thing. What it exactly did
it mean? Oh, I don't know. I just pulled. What
do you think it means? I don't like that. Just
say it with your chest, or don't say it, post
it and post it, mean it, or you know, say
(22:37):
what you mean. But this whole cryptic DeVante Adams posting
a raven or Edgar Allen Poe who wrote The raven
and like, what does it mean? Is it poetry? Are
you saying it's poetic that I'm trying to go to
the Ravens? We're about to play the Ravens? Like, I
just don't like all of that. Man. I think that's
one of the few things, uh, one of the several
things actually, But that drives me crazy about social media
(22:58):
allows these players now to kind of have these weird
cryptic posts and speaking subliminals.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
To me, that drives us.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Crazy because then Robert Parker or you know, Rob Parker
writes an article about it and they're like, no, that's
not what I mean, that's not what I said you.
I don't know what you posted a fist. What does
that means? You posted this? So I just just sometimes,
to me, just say it or don't say it at all.
If you know your name is in the media right now.
(23:25):
You know, we're having these conversations about you being traded,
rumors are being traded, rumors about this or that.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
They just don't post.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's okay, it's okay to not post or post exactly
how you feel and say it.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
What's your chest just drives me crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, but most guys they don't want to say with
their chest. They kind of want to hide behind it.
Just be honest, be upfront. I'm with you on that
all the way.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I don't mind them being on social media. I think
some of them do great stuff. It's good to get
some inside look behind the scenes. Wow, okay, this is
how he's living on a wild beautiful family.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I get that, totally with it. Some of them had
great causes and great charities. They do a lot of
great posts on that. But the cryptic weird in the
middle of your name being in the media stuff and
you just post a weird picture that leaves it up
to our interpretation. I don't think it does anyone's service,
including yourself, because again you allow then for us to
run with what that post means, what that picture means,
what that quote from your favorite person means. I suppose
(24:15):
to you actually saying it or saying nothing. You make
a compelling argument. Hard to argue with that. I'm with you.
I want to switch here to football though.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, and football from this standpoint of what we've seen
from Derrick Henry with the we thought even when he
got picked up that that was what a great move
because you remember we talked about the Ravens losing that
AFC championship game.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
They didn't run the football. They went away from what
they do right.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And they went back to it when they ran the
football last year. I think they only lost one game
all year when they rushed over twenty times in a game.
That game, somehow they only had six rushes from their
running backs or something four or six rushes, which was ridiculous.
But anyway, Derrick Henry and it's great to see a back,
(25:02):
a real workload, workhorse kind of back in the NFL.
I'm enjoying watching them play.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
One hundred percent. And I think it's we've gotten away
from it right. Yes, a reminder, yo, you can have
success and have one singular back that's the feature back,
not that they don't use other backs. Lamar Jackson by
all and purposes runs like a running back, and you
have others, but this is our hog, this is our
feature back. This is who we're giving the ball to
twenty to thirty times in his game. And you'll see
(25:30):
Sa Kuon Barkley and the Eagles, you know when they
lost when they stopped giving him the ball. Enough, Give
Sa Kuon Barkley the ball, you know, Christian McCaffrey went healthy.
Give them the ball, whether it's running, whether it's passing.
But as great Jonathan Taylor, the more Colts having success,
give Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
They downgraded the position. They didn't want to pay anybody.
You remember we saw Danny Dimes get all that money
from the Giants, right.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Sa Kwon Barker in their face.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But he was the reason that made Danny Dimes even
viable because to worry about him and the back exactly.
And so I don't I didn't understand that how we
got away from it and just became like arena football,
just throwing the football every down, and running backs are
so important. The other part is, you know, in in
a game this time and a place where you need
(26:17):
a two or three yard rush torch down, and you
can't get it because you don't have a running back.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It makes the difference between icing.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The game because you got the first down and not
the clock is eating up, or not being able to
close out the game and having to give the ball
back to the other team and then they come back down,
kick a field goal, tide the game.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Or beat you. I mean, you look at the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
What makes them also effective, especially the last couple years
of Pachenko, you know what I mean, as much as
we talk about Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes ain't been putting
up Patrick Mahome numbers that we're accustomed to, and Pochenco
has been, you know, one of their big staples in
that offense. You know, listen, I know we're not in
the Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Thurman Thomas era again, where
every team's.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Trying to have this amazing feature back.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I think I was telling Rob g I think the
last little era of that, remember that was that like
Laedani and Thomason, Priest Holmes, Sewn Alexander maybe a little
bit after that. You know, where you have this feature
back who's getting you twenty five, six, seven, eight touchdowns
in a year. But it's good to just see and
I love that Derrick Henry. They're starting to put up
his numbers. He's a few yards away. I think it's
(27:23):
like eleven or twelve yards away from having ten thousand
career yards, which most of the guys in ninety percent
of them who have that are in the Hall of Fame.
The other couple will be soon. Adrian Peterson will be
there shortly, and so you expect Derek Henry being there too.
And I just like the guy. He's a workhorse. He
does what he does and he makes that team better.
So you wonder if you know another team that's doing that,
(27:45):
who arguably is the best team in the entire NFC.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
The Lions. You are getting ran.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
They are running it down every team's throat weekend in
a week out, and then they light you up with
the play action with Jared Goff after that.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And then don't forget Jim Harball now as a coach,
gennsc doobons doing what he's healthy as well. But you
are starting to see a shift back to running the football.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
So this year, let me give you a number.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
This year, teams are averaging four point five yards per carry,
which is tied for the best mark in the in
NFL history.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Think about that.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They are also rushing one hundred and twenty four point
nine rushing yards per game, which is the most since
nineteen eighty seven. So the running game is a back.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And the number they're using quarterback ja Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen.
That's another big part of it, Jalen Hurts and I
think what they're also realizing too, and when you look
at the numbers of why passing is down, partly we've
had these conversations just because they're also saying, wait, why
aren't we running more? If I got Jalen Hurts, let
me just stop playing around and let Jalen Hurts where
(28:47):
I got Lamar Jackson, Let's not be cute against the Chiefs,
And well, we'll do this and Hi, we'll trick him
then pack run. It's Lamar Jackson, Jayden Daniels as I
found a great way of doing that. Kyler Murray's gotten
back to doing that as well. Justin fields is a
really good balance of running and passing. So you have
this ability to run with the running back with the quarterbacks,
and it just changes the game. And I think that's
(29:09):
why we're gonna see passing numbers be down. They're down
also because kams just teams are starting to get acclimated,
getting more reps. They're not doing they're not playing in preseason.
You got new players, Guys are injured, they're starting to
get healthy. You got new quarterbacks and new positions and
new offensive coordinators. I think the passing yards will pick
up some, but I don't think they'll get back to
those numbers we had, you know, the last six, seven,
(29:30):
eight years, because people are gonna run the ball more
and see it's effective and you can run the ballplayers defense.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I never could understand that, and I understand like some
of the talented passers in the league or whatever, but
still there's got to be a balance. You can't be
one dimensional. And I'm not talking about run the ball
every down. What was that Patriots game with Matt Jones?
Remember you only threw the ball? What was it, rob
g three times? You remember that game? Like, which was
they ran the ball every single was like watching like
(29:58):
an Army Navy game or something.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I was like, And then you wonder why they're trying
to let Drake may sit. That's why the like Drake
makes it, They're like, oh, you know what let's just
let him sit back, relax and learn a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Let him grow a little bit. But by the way,
where is Mac Jones? He calling the game somewhere Jacksonville.
I lost sight of him. Oh that's just brutal. Could you?
Wasn't he like his first year he was? Yeah, he
wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You're like, all right, first year was pretty Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. You gotta put the copy on the
Pro Bowl guys. I'm not going next guy. I'm not
going third guy. I'm not going fourth guy.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I'll go that's mad disrespectful for snoop on league because
he had that in his WIKIPEDIESI was off a good quarterback,
and he's a Pro Bowl quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Right, Matt Staffords the Pro Bowl quarterback on top? Whoa, whoa,
he's a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Let's start there. Remember
that pick Rob g in the Super Bowl? Remember that
pick he threw I dropped Where did he throw it at?
Speaker 5 (30:53):
I mean Jikwaski tart JIKWASI dropped the pick in the
NCY James game and was out of the league after him.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I mean, that's let me.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Maybe that's why he wasn't that good. That's why he
dropped it in the first place. Dude, he ain't Mautvioln Butler.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You ever watched that? You haven't watched that over?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
No, no, no, because he mat Because Matthew Stafford went
to the super Bowl and won. Okay, how could you
watch him covering Detroit all those years and see that
we had a guy that the number one pick and
they were like, oh, you know you're gonna go to
Detroit And he was like, I embraced this. He didn't
eli manning us your guy. He said, I'm going to Detroit.
I'm gonna help be a thing that transforms this. Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
This didn't win a playoff game and got him to
the postseason show. We won't even getting the postseason. We
weren't even thinking about.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
We were ah in sixteen. Can't believe you hate on
Matthew Stafford. You watched that man grit through injuries. How
could he's there's a few people I can understand you hate.
How can you hate on Matthew Stafford likable guy, tough guy, talented?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
How can you hate on Matthew Stafford? Stat Patford? What
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.