October 7, 2024 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why the Cleveland Browns need to cut their losses and move on from Deshaun Watson and tell us if the New York Jets are already regretting trading for Aaron Rodgers. Plus, Hall of Fame defensive back and FOX Sports Radio NFL analyst Rod Woodson swings by to discuss what makes Lamar Jackson so tough to defend, what Derrick Henry has added to this Baltimore Ravens squad, how the Pittsburgh Steelers should handle their QB situation, whether or not the Minnesota Vikings should be viewed as a Super Bowl contender and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
You know, when we looked at the Cleveland Browns a
couple of years back, everybody was excited about this. Oh wow,
okay man, they got a really good team. Baker Mayfield
didn't utilize it right. They've got a defense, all they
need is a quarterback. And then they signed the Shawn
Watson in the middle of chaos, in the middle of
dozens of allegations and lawsuits and claims we didn't just.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Milivan bone move.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And then they just give him all the money. That
that's the part. It wasn't that they signed him for
two hundred something million dollars, Rob, and they said, you know,
eighty five dollars of it guaranteed, all of it guaranteed.
That's unheard of in the middle of scandal and not
a kind of I can understand it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
That's how That's what.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
They were though, is that he had him over a barrel.
Remember he didn't want to go there. We're gonna go
to Atlanta. It was all his talk. And then they
just said, well, we want to win a championship and
we need to add this quarterble.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I don't know if Karma's biting him in the butt,
but my gosh, it does not look good. They are
one and four right now, and not only one and four.
They ain't the Bengals WONN four. Where you look at
the Bengals, you're like, oh, man, they run off sixth straight.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Joe Burrow, if it wasn't for the one and four
record is having an MVP season like number one in
all the category.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So exactly, this isn't a Bengals situation where you're like, man,
if they could just the defense gets a little better,
or again, even at one and four they run off
the they could run off sixth straight and all of
a sudden be seven and four the Bengals. Nobody would
be surprised by that. This is just a bad situation.
They look bad, they look flat, nobody's playing and they're
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supposed to be leader, and Deshaun Watson just doesn't happen anymore.
And you know, it reminds me of rob There's times
in your life where you're gonna lose it physically if
you're a player, right, that's just a fact of life, right,
Nobody you sands for Tom Brady and Lebron, You're gonna
lose it at a certain point. So we can all
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understand that. We can grapple with that. We can we
understand that's just a way of life. Father's time is undefeated.
But then there's also a thing of having your superpower,
your glow like uh, you know, uh, Bruce Leroy from
Last Dragon, having that be dimmed because we all see
you now and you've been exposed. And remember when Talker Woods,
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it wasn't just that all his back was out a
little bit. It was that it was the first time
in his life he was viewed as there was infidelity.
There was and not just that it was wild stuff.
There was pancake houses, there was you know, wife beating
your car with a club. But like all of this happening,
and you can tell he fell scene. He felt unsure
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of himself. People are questioning who I am as a person,
who I am on markability, and I feel like some
of that is what's happening with Deshaun Watson. It ain't
just that he's not missing passes or that maybe he's
gotten a little older.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I think he feels seen.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I think the weight of it is heavy, and the
hair that makes you good to great, that little difference
that makes you good to great, he's lost that you
question things, maybe something's not in the meticulous work ethic
you have. And I think we're seeing that with DeShawn Jackson,
just Shaun Watson, where it's not just oh, maybe he's
off a little bit missing passes.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think he is exposed.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He's feel seen, and that's part of why we're seeing
the decline of him.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You know, I've said this a few times. Joe Dumoors
who put together that two thousand.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And four shout out to Jody jo Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Championship team and you know this, they beat the Lakers
and all that. You can say whatever you want, but
the one mantra that I loved when he was the
executive and running out team, he said, it's not about
being right, it's about getting it right.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I think that's the end.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
In life that it's not about being right, it's about
getting it right. And the Browns want to be right
rather than getting it right because they made the uh,
they made the offer, you know, they made the contract.
They gave him all that, so they want up. They're
gonna make it work. We're gonna force this square peg
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in the round hole. We're gonna be right because we
did it. We gave him up guaranteed contract. We don't
want to be the laughing stock to the NFL. But
it's pretty obvious this ain't gonna happen because this is
now over two course of two years. This is not
just like, oh well this is his first year and
played in two years or sidelined I got were horrible.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
For the last decade. They've had some good teams. All
of us are like, man, they should make the player.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Mayfield took them to the playoffs and beat them and
beat the Steelers, their rivals. So here it is since
coming to Cleveland, Watson, it is gone nine to eight
and just seventeen starts across two seasons, barely completing sixty percent.
And you know a lot of people way over sixty nowadays,
and just how the way the league is set up.
On his throws, nineteen touchdowns, seventeen turnovers. That's one for
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one almost, so that's no good. And this season Watson
is averaging minus zero point thirty epa per dropback. This
is like the analytical people, it's the lowest by any
Browns quarterback since the stat was created in two thousand,
so that's almost twenty five years. And in fact, Watson's
minus zero point three zero this season is the seventh
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lowest mark of any quarterback in NFL history. He just
have not played well. And I don't know how much
longer they're gonna go with this. And they owe him
the money and all that, but I think that the
Browns are making a mistake. It's time to get it
right and stop trying to be right. They blew it.
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They made a mistake. They didn't realize what the layoff
would have done to him. He was a good quarterback.
Anybody who questions not, no, no, I know people trying
to make it like, well he really wasn't that. No, no, no, stop.
He was a good quarterback. He is just not a
good quarterback anymore. I can't get over something's off. And
as I mentioned, you just wonder if it's mental. Like
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he's just listen, We've all been at certain places in
our life when something mentally is draining you.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's taxing on you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's weighing on you, and it can affect your performance,
whether it be at work, whether it be maybe the
way you're parenting or your romantic relationship.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You know, maybe the way you're treating friends.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
When I tried not to, I try to, like just
keep looking at the camera, he shout to Elijah. But
you know what I mean, where something's weighing on you, right,
and maybe a family member's ill, a parent is going
through it. That stuff is a lot, man, and trying
to be a quarterback of a franchise in the NFL's
already hard job. I mean, Patrick Mahomes is the once
in a lifetime generation and he's not looking amazing. Imagine
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being Deshaun Watson going through what you're going through, trying
to think it's over, and it seems like every few months,
every quarter, a new lawsuit, a new allegation. Dude, this
stuff is taxing, and then let's just keep it real.
Your personal life. Maybe I don't know if his wife
or girlfriend, whatever is over it. Let's say she's like,
you know, I'm trying to move past it. Let's just
in and another allegation right now that means you go
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home and you got a whole nother thing you gotta
do with it. So all of this stuff weighs on him,
and the difference if you talk to any pro or anybody,
you've been covering this long enough to know anybody in
the NBA can drop forty any night, any quarterback, random
quarterback can throw two hundred and fifty three hundred yards
out of the blue, have a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Who can do this weekend week out?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That's what creates the good to great players, right all
stars to Hall of famers, who does this consistently?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And I just think he can't consistently do any of
that anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
With all of this on him, doubting himself, the team
doubting them, fans on them allegation, maybe he's lost a step.
Maybe again, the things that he normally would do as
far as practice and his habits aren't quite there. Maybe
the team's already, his teammates don't believe in him. You
just wonder if he'll ever be that again. And maybe
he will elsewhere. Maybe he gets another start somewhere else.
He's still relatively young. But at this time, to just
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take the l if you're the Browns, you gotta just
take the loss and move on.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
How about the idea that you can't miss that much
time on that level and it not affects you.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I think that that's real.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like that's an exception. But I get the point. Mike
Vick will be the exception. Right, But but I'm saying,
how much time Rob g did he really miss?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Like a two seasons? No, it was like a season
and a half.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well, it was a season in three quarters, Okay, so
you see, like you're out of pro football. That's a
long time. And I'm just saying that. Maybe I remember
when Michael Jordan was out playing and came back. You remember, right,
he came back at the end of the season ready
for the playoffs. They got knocked out and he wasn't good.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You remember that. What did he get? He got good again?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But that's what listen, That's what I said automatic, And
you would think that you would think that maybe to
shaw him not being hit and all the work, you know,
like you're saving your body and all that, Oh you
should be you should be good and refreshed. And it
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Rhy him by timing with the team finding your guy
that you you know, I got the.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He doesn't look like anything that he looked like. I
just can't get over it, like like there are no
but you.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Give what I mean when I said, like that, shame
he's walked every time he steps out. The shame the
white people didn't see me, you know. And again Tiger Woods. Listen,
let's call it what it is. Ever since Tiger Woods
was exposed, he ain't never been the same. He's won
a tournament here there think he won what one major
maybe two?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Since then?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He ain't never been the same. Now again, somebody's gonna, oh,
man neck and back injuries. Yeah, and that's a that's
a fellow stuff, right, But he was never the same.
And I think that's when that stuff comes out. Man,
those types of things. Again, you're talking just to hair.
Think about a quarterback, right, hike, you're back there, you
take your drop back that one little small hesitation or
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that one little thought or that one little I don't
have to rapport with this guy because I haven't been
able to put the time. It makes you average or
below average. That's the differentiator. And I think he's just
a hair off right now. Not really there probably, I
mean you're going home, probably got calls with your lawyer
every day.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Hey man, this is what we got do. We gotta
do this like it's just a lot. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But to your point, rop at some point, maybe it
is worth I mean at the Browns have to move on, right,
you got take to l We get this guy his
money first time ever, that much guaranteed we were wrong
for doing it. Maybe there's a reason why it's never
been done and they got to move on.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Here's the information, the money wise, okay, cause you know
there's always money attached to it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
So if Cleveland cut him today, they'd.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Have a one hundred and nineteen point nine million dollar
dead cap hit in twenty twenty four, an eighty point
seven million dead cap hit in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
If they cut him after the season.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Uh, it's a one point one eight point nine dead
cap in twenty twenty five and fifty three point a
dead cap hit in twenty twenty six if they cut
them in twenty twenty five. After the twenty twenty five season,
the cap hit is seventy two point nine and twenty
six point nine either way. But I'm saying it's gonna
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be a lot of money either what no matter if
you want.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
To wait bay the bullet, do it now or wait
a year from now.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
If you wait a year from now, If you do
it now, it's one hundred and ninety eight million. A
year from now, it's one hundred and seventies said, so
it's not that you're not by the bullet. And if
you do it in twenty twenty six, which is inconceivable
it's a twenty twenty four season, it still would be
one hundred million. So that's really what. So you're basically,
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do you want to save the ninety? Is really what
it comes down to. Either way, it's all that the
ninety eight to ninety, you know what I mean? The
ninety won't quite be the ninety by then anyway.
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Speaker 1 (12:10):
App, Let's Talk some Day in New York, Yes with
the Jets Man. This has been just a horrible soap
proper if you will, Starting from the injuries, starting from
the I don't you know, I'm missing out on things,
and I got the deep dark you know, retreats, Aaron
Rodgers and all of that. It's like there's been so
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much other things going on other than good quality football
from the Jets.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
We've got.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Hug Gates where you know he doesn't hug sale out.
Oh great catch, and and everybody's making a thing of it.
We've got Gary Wilson coming out speaking out about the offense,
which looks still on their offense is historically bad right now.
It just goes back to the conversation I had. They
put everything in the Aaron Rodgers basket. They put everything
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in a MVP former and multiple time MVP savior of
Aaron Rodgers, and they just said, here, do what you
will have the players you want, bring old Packers players in,
bring your old offensive coordinator in, whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Teams have done it before, teams will do it again.
But when you do that, it better worked, and it
hasn't worked. Their offense is trash. Uh. Gary Wilson again,
their best receiver saying, yo offense, I'm running lesser rous
than I had the last couple of seasons. Aaron's back,
we're hearing about offensive, so they can't run the bus.
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So that's the part that shot off with them right now.
There's still plenty of football left to be had. Maybe
they make a deal, maybe Devontae Adams comes in and
things change a bit. But it has been disappointing that
the keys to the franchise were given to Aaron Rodgers
and uh, he's done nothing with it thus far. Touchdown
for the Saints, long sixty yard bomb, the shaheed from
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Derek Carr there, he's looking at the camera right now.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
He said, I told you, I told you.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Through your touchdown. So they're back in that game. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Obviously they lost that game where they couldn't get the
end zone against Denver and the kicker missed the kick right,
had the distance, he just shanked it. He missed it.
They should have won that game. They didn't win that game.
And now you couple that with the loss to Minnesota.
Now they're two and three, where at least should be
three and two. I mean, but it's how they look
to you, you know what I mean. Well, but that's
what I was telling you about other teams too on
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how you look. It's not just winning or losing, because
it is about where you walk. Because sometimes the team
can lose and you can still say I see something there,
they just haven't been able to finish it or whatnot.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
And then you have other.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Teams where you're where they they're playing, they're winning or
looking better, but you still look and go, oh, yes,
something's off. But in this case, the only thing they
have going for him is that there's still twelve games ago.
It's a long way to go, and this is it.
Aaron Rodgers threw three picks. He threw the ball like
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fifty times. I think to put the ball up like
that trying to make something happen, you could have it.
He doesn't throw to turn the ball over. That's what's
so shocking too.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That's that's his strength. One of the strengths was it was.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Four touchdowns to every uners. He had the best touchdown
interception racial in the history of football. So it's surprising
on where they are and what's going on you know
so far.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But sure you think a twisted Is he the escapegoat?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Is he not?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
They're not to find anybody this year. They don't have
to let this thing play out.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Davante Adams is obviously something they're gunning towards, and it
looks like that could happen, but they.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Need to run the football too, and there's other things
that are going on. And if you can get Davonte Adam,
anytime you could add a talent like that, you take
advantage of.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It to It's not like he's just a random receiver
coming in. He's been He was the number one guy
for for Aaron Rodgers for years, so there's some rapport
there too, you know what I mean. It's like you're
bringing him, it'd be like all of a sudden, you know,
now he's a little older. But if Patrick Mahomes all
of a sudden got Travis Kelsey, you know, three years
ago out of the boots, like, oh we brought him back,
he'd be like yeah, or Tyreek Hill. They brought Tyreek
Hill back, you know, Travis Keill. Patrick mahonmes would love
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to have Tyreek Hill back. So yeah, you you you
want to see that. But I just it's too much
Aaron Rodgers dominating the offense, bringing guys in, talking about
and I just.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Look at where they were though they had.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
An exact place they were with Zack Wilson. No, but
then come on, no, but are they not the exact
same team?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, but Wilson.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But I get that that's where they are. But that's disappointing.
That's Zach Wilson's best of where he was and what
I'm trying to tell you there's a difference. Aaron Rodgers
has a bigger ceiling. Zach Wilson was never good. Do
you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
But I'm saying I brought you into make but deadly
forget about Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that that he's gonna be
Aaron rod gonna be this bad all year.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Zach Wilson you couldn't get.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But so far true that with him that hey, we
got some we got some sound. From what the Jets
have been going through.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Its blowing my standard. I just found out I've never
thrown two ficks in the first quarter before, So that's
the first. One of us costs obviously seven and the
other you know, could have cost three. So in a
game where you lose by six, you know, plays like
that are exponentially highlighted. So three turnouts for me is
definitely out of character, and I'm disappointed.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
He's right you mentioned it. That's one of the great
things about him. He's not been a turnover machine.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
He's not a turnover machine in his career. But still,
you can't the three the three picks its just it
costs you. And again they didn't get run out of
the building. They lost by six.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You got to credit their defense, which has been pretty
good to really good throughout the season, keeping them in games,
keep giving them a chance. I mean, they've had some
ten games where they off their offense look terrible, yet
they've found themselves right in the game or even have
one a couple where it's like, how do we win that?
So credit to Rob Sala and his defense for keeping
them in there. But I'm hanging on to a lot
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of football left. I'm hanging on to at DeVante Adams
type move before I completely write them off. And also,
they're in a division that they've got a shot.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Hills are better, but.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
The Bills are three and two and two and they're
two and three. Yeah, I mean they're not out of.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So being in that division, you got a shot.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And Miami's hurt, like Miamami, the team New Wingland's no good.
They could and then this is what I'm trying to say,
is as bad as it looks now that one game
out of winning the division like that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Right, and that's the and if they you know, if
the defense keeps playing like this, you get at DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Now we're talking. Now you're cooking.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
And a Rodgers plays way just better, not not hall
of fame, not hall of fame, not uh.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Just better. If he plays better, they have a shot.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I didn't have the high hopes for the Jets because
it's just a team that I followed for.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
A lot of people had him in this Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah, I wasn't there. But I think they're gonna be better.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think they have a shot at the division, especially
because I'm not buying in the Buffalo and No. Two
in Miami without those things going.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
They're still a possibility. There's the possibility from the get right.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And I think we've saw, you know, flashes a couple
of times from Aaron Rodgers. But some I think my
biggest issue, Rob is something isn't there camaraderie, kumbai Ya
in the building more so than just simply the gameplay. Gameplay,
something seems off, Like every we were having all these
false starts, and they've been you know, the cadence has
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been fine every other place and all the other season's like,
something's off. You got Rob Sailor every other minute he's
having to you know, put down put out a fire here,
put out a fire there, put out a fire here.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And so something seems to be off to me.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Uh And until they fix that, I don't know that
we'll see them at their peak ability.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, but they're right there, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
That's the good thing for they are right there.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
They are. The Bills got off, they looked like they
were world beaters, and now they've come down back to earth.
So the Bills aren't the team that maybe we thought
they were. You know, like when they beat Jacksonville they
look like a machine.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And then when we know that Jacksonville, but still and
they had won a game or two prior to that
and looking all right. So yeah, if you're the Jets,
that's the that's the that's the mark. You know, if
we can beat the Bills, if we can get in
this postseason, even if we crawl in ten and seven
or something, hey we got a shot.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You never know.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, and they're going to be a work in progress. Obviously,
run he won there, right, they had to run the ball.
I don't know they were running the ball well or
first couple of games. Yeah, but it's dried up and
I think you have to You can't be one dimensional
with a forty year old quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
That's not fair to them and also to your defense.
Keep putting us in, you know, if you have three
quick outs or he turned the ball over and now
we're right back out on the field, and that can
get tiring as well.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
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Speaker 3 (21:13):
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I doing Rod?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
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Speaker 4 (21:19):
That game yesterday's Cincinnati was one for the agers.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I was thoroughly impressed.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Joe Burrow five touchdowns does his thing, and the Ravens
win that game and Lamar.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
The play that I still can't get over.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Was Lamar rolls to the right the farm and farms
a couple guys and those of touchdown in the end zone.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Was that not incredible?
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, I tell you what I mean. You know, stifferm Hubbard,
who's sixty five to sixty five, stiff Army drop him
to the ground, goes act like he looks like he's
gon an run out of bounds, and he throws it
back across the middle of the field into the end zone.
Timeah likely. I mean everything that you're talking to do, yep,
you did, and it worked. And it's just, you know,
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just one of those things that you go out and
you watch these guys play, and you know, Joe Burrow
lighting up there the secondary and the defense for the
Ravens and Lamarin's doing the same thing to the Sinnetti
Bingals defense, And I mean, yes, So I love seeing
and calling that game. It was outstanding. But man, what
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is going on with the defense in the National Football League?
They're getting dagged by everybody. They're like, the fundamentals are
just gone.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, tackling is down.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
We've seen some horrendous tackling performances by multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Let me, why don't you answer that? Well, let me
ask you one thing? Is it because and you stopped
me if I'm wrong. But we got to the point
where everybody's trying to punch the ball out, you know
what I mean, And and I really grab people to
tackle them to bring him down.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Am I wrong on that or.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Just that's the part of it there. Everybody's trying to
get the strip right, everybody trying to make a digt.
So they just they wrap they they just they shoulder
to tackle them. They don't even wrap up anymore, you know.
They they say, although we don't put pads on, but
we would take our pads off like week seven and
we would just have our sweats on and shorts on
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when we practiced, and we still started up like almost
you I'm still getting the same shoulder things with the
same shoulders. Like I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna still
do the my technique right, So I don't lose that form.
I don't lose it on a consistent basis. But it's
just like in this league, for some reason that the
attacking us down, the the understanding coverages down, understand the
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philosity of coverages down. It's just it's really sad to
see because these guys are making so much money and
they're so good. They're great athletes, but they're not playing
great football defensively. Offensively. Yeah, you can say when you're
putting up that many points, I thought it was going
to be a shoot on, but not knowing it's gonna
be that high you set, you think they're gonna put
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some points on the board. But for the seeing across
the board, how the defense is playing across the league,
it's a league epidemic. Core tackling, not understanding coverage, not
understanding leverage, not understanding how to pay upfield, shoulder and
keep receivers in front of you. But then when you
get into the end zone, play what we call looking
lean to play underneath him. It just makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Rob Woodson our guests Hall of Fame dB and also
Fox Sports Radio NFL analyst Rod.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know, I'm gonna stay with the Ravens for a minute.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We had a Robin I had a great conversation and
then someone called in. We had folks calling in and
one of them said, Hey, what's different than this team
than last year, And I said, well, hey, hopefully you're
a season wiser and b deck Henry.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
What's different?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Are we wrong for thinking that that that this team
is not the same team as last year.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
It's not the same to every team is different, right,
But I think what Derek gives you is different as
that they bothered him up for fourth quarters for the
most part. Right, you get that one carry in the
overtime when he gets the second possession and he takes
it fifty some yards, right, and they just keeps go,
go to win. So yeah, but the key is with
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Derek and you have to understand what there's elimin of
the deeper coordinators ran when you play them. If if
Lamar puts that ball in their stomach, is the end
crashing is the linebacker stepping with him. And then if
he pulls it and he gets to the edge, Lamar shooes.
He's making everybody looks crazy. He looked like a fool.
So it's just it's then that you do then if
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you don't with you know, with that philosophy, and they're
they're making a lot of people have headaches. But the
one thing Lamar is doing real well, he's throwing those
eating media passes. He's getting rid of him. They blicked
him quite a bit. He got rid of the football.
He fouled his open receivers. He struggled a little bit
in the first half. He did some deeper balls and
(25:54):
they kind of went went went high. But he recalculated,
replanted a seat, got the ball down. And if he
can do that on a consistent basis, now you can't
stack the box. So he's gonna get rid of the football.
He's gonna find his guys. They're gonna put some tight
ends out there, and I think everybody's realizing they got
three really good tight ends and they got running back.
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They can get the ball come out of the backfield.
So it's gonna be hard to defend this football team.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
How about what should the Browns do? They're in a
bad job, Deshaun Watson. I mean, let's be.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Walk off the field like that and then right the coach.
You see the coach when he put his head down
and say where are you going? Right, he like take
his head set up like I was like that is
like he quit.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Like like you know that the coach can't even get
in the play that he wants to run, the quarterback
walks off, and Deshawn's been a bust, been terrible rod
for going on two seed nine and eight.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
I know one thing, if if if he was on
our team and he walked off that field, he ain't
play no more mm hmm, because we'll go to the
coach he no, I'll play with anybody else. Right, You
ain't putting that dude back out there because he quit
on us.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
They because he's so talented, he's obviously I don't know what.
It's all the office field issues, right, and it's gotten
to his head. I'm not really sure because I've never
talked of to him, but I'm saying, quitting when your
guys is tough man, especially.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Off that position too. That's you know, he's supposed to
be the leader. Uh and that how about what are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Pittsburgh?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Okay, they once started out three and oh, now they've
lost their last couple. I mean to me, Uh, you
look at Justin Field's uh and against that Dallas Cowboys
defense missing their two best players, they haven't been able
to stop the run all year. Uh, that turned the
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ball over three times. Pittsburgh has to win that game.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Don't they Yeah, but they I mean think about it,
and they still had it. So this vaulted defense that
was there, they have a great opportunity to stop them.
And they let Dallas Cowboys march right down the field
and score a touchdown. So they had the opportunity. And yes,
for several years, the TIBURH Shuters offense has been mediocre.
(28:20):
We know it, right, but the defense has always been good.
The defense always rises up and makes a play, and
they were making place throughout the game. That one drive
they just couldn't make the play.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, you know, they almost they almost made it.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I'll tell you what, that was a really nice play.
That was a really nice play. With that being said,
you just got to think, you know, and then do
you bring Russell in? Is he going to be if
you're gonna make this offense better? I don't know if
he's going to make the offense better. I just don't know.
And and if you don't know, you know, do you do?
(28:57):
You stay with field and let run will get completely healthy.
And then I think if they don't play any better
next week, I think you got to make a change.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Say that's what I think.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think there's one more week here, and if they
lose again and now at three and three and the
offense still just isn't where it needs to be, I
think they probably will just to see if Russ can
give them anything.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Right, I think you have to. It's unfair to the
rest of the teams could not make the change when
you bought Russell Wilson in here, who won a Super Bowl,
went to two, has played at a high level. He
knows how to play, so I think you got to
give him an opportunity at least see he can make
a difference for the offense and put a spark with
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that offense and makes him play for him along with
the defense, because the defense just needs a little help.
And I think if they can get that, it'd be good.
But I think after next week, if ifs can go
out there and play great, then you stay with fields.
If he doesn't, he if he doesn't even have a
hard game again, I think you gotta. I think Mike
has really look in the mirrors to make the change.
I know it's gonna be tough for him, but you know,
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might have been good. He don't have some words to
make y' all think, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
I like what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, well he always does that. We'll get you out
of here on this one, Rod.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know, I'm sitting here laughing because here we are
an hour and forty minutes into our show, and once
again we never really talk about the Minnesota Vikings. They're
like the best team that no one really talks about.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
What do you make of them? Again?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Just having this great season defensively, Sam Donald looking good?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Where are you with them?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Are they the best team in football who no one
really talks about or maybe cares.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
I think they're I think they're a really good football team.
I don't put a lot of stocks and I mean,
obviously you played the team that you're playing on yours
on your schedule. And I think defensively, I think they've
done a tremendous job of showing a lot of different looks.
They get some plays, getting plays, of getting quarterbacks confused.
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I think Sam Donald has done a tremendous job rekinding
his you know, his career jets.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
He had no touchdowns in the interception. Wasn't like he
was playing lights out?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
No, no, but but he's not. He wasn't playing lights out.
But sometimes you don't have to always play great when
you when you can play mediocre to average and still win,
that's a plus for your football team. That's the same
thing you kind of would you know the Kansas City Chiefs.
Everybody's like, got Kansas City because they're they're playing really
good football. They're winning, but they're not looking great, you know,
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like the dominant. But man, it's hard to be that
dominant all the time. And I think for Minnesota, nobody
thought in the I don't think there's anybody else. There's
one bet that say the Minnesota Vikings will be five
and zero after the first five weeks, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Hey, Rod, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And that's what always try to tell Rob relaxed, darting,
winning and not Rob had always want to find.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'm a nippick. Hey, thank you, Rob,
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
You know, when we looked at the Cleveland Browns a
couple of years back, everybody was excited about this. Oh wow,
okay man, they got a really good team. Baker Mayfield
didn't utilize it right. They've got a defense, all they
need is a quarterback. And then they signed the Shawn
Watson in the middle of chaos, in the middle of
dozens of allegations and lawsuits and claims we didn't just.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Milivan bone move.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And then they just give him all the money. That
that's the part. It wasn't that they signed him for
two hundred something million dollars, Rob, and they said, you know,
eighty five dollars of it guaranteed, all of it guaranteed.
That's unheard of in the middle of scandal and not
a kind of I can understand it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
That's how That's what.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
They were though, is that he had him over a barrel.
Remember he didn't want to go there. We're gonna go
to Atlanta. It was all his talk. And then they
just said, well, we want to win a championship and
we need to add this quarterble.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I don't know if Karma's biting him in the butt,
but my gosh, it does not look good. They are
one and four right now, and not only one and four.
They ain't the Bengals WONN four. Where you look at
the Bengals, you're like, oh, man, they run off sixth straight.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Joe Burrow, if it wasn't for the one and four
record is having an MVP season like number one in
all the category.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So exactly, this isn't a Bengals situation where you're like, man,
if they could just the defense gets a little better,
or again, even at one and four they run off
the they could run off sixth straight and all of
a sudden be seven and four the Bengals. Nobody would
be surprised by that. This is just a bad situation.
They look bad, they look flat, nobody's playing and they're
(02:00):
supposed to be leader, and Deshaun Watson just doesn't happen anymore.
And you know, it reminds me of rob There's times
in your life where you're gonna lose it physically if
you're a player, right, that's just a fact of life, right,
Nobody you sands for Tom Brady and Lebron, You're gonna
lose it at a certain point. So we can all
(02:20):
understand that. We can grapple with that. We can we
understand that's just a way of life. Father's time is undefeated.
But then there's also a thing of having your superpower,
your glow like uh, you know, uh, Bruce Leroy from
Last Dragon, having that be dimmed because we all see
you now and you've been exposed. And remember when Talker Woods,
(02:41):
it wasn't just that all his back was out a
little bit. It was that it was the first time
in his life he was viewed as there was infidelity.
There was and not just that it was wild stuff.
There was pancake houses, there was you know, wife beating
your car with a club. But like all of this happening,
and you can tell he fell scene. He felt unsure
(03:02):
of himself. People are questioning who I am as a person,
who I am on markability, and I feel like some
of that is what's happening with Deshaun Watson. It ain't
just that he's not missing passes or that maybe he's
gotten a little older.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I think he feels seen.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I think the weight of it is heavy, and the
hair that makes you good to great, that little difference
that makes you good to great, he's lost that you
question things, maybe something's not in the meticulous work ethic
you have. And I think we're seeing that with DeShawn Jackson,
just Shaun Watson, where it's not just oh, maybe he's
off a little bit missing passes.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think he is exposed.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He's feel seen, and that's part of why we're seeing
the decline of him.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You know, I've said this a few times. Joe Dumoors
who put together that two thousand.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And four shout out to Jody jo Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Championship team and you know this, they beat the Lakers
and all that. You can say whatever you want, but
the one mantra that I loved when he was the
executive and running out team, he said, it's not about
being right, it's about getting it right.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I think that's the end.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
In life that it's not about being right, it's about
getting it right. And the Browns want to be right
rather than getting it right because they made the uh,
they made the offer, you know, they made the contract.
They gave him all that, so they want up. They're
gonna make it work. We're gonna force this square peg
(04:29):
in the round hole. We're gonna be right because we
did it. We gave him up guaranteed contract. We don't
want to be the laughing stock to the NFL. But
it's pretty obvious this ain't gonna happen because this is
now over two course of two years. This is not
just like, oh well this is his first year and
played in two years or sidelined I got were horrible.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
For the last decade. They've had some good teams. All
of us are like, man, they should make the player.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Mayfield took them to the playoffs and beat them and
beat the Steelers, their rivals. So here it is since
coming to Cleveland, Watson, it is gone nine to eight
and just seventeen starts across two seasons, barely completing sixty percent.
And you know a lot of people way over sixty nowadays,
and just how the way the league is set up.
On his throws, nineteen touchdowns, seventeen turnovers. That's one for
(05:17):
one almost, so that's no good. And this season Watson
is averaging minus zero point thirty epa per dropback. This
is like the analytical people, it's the lowest by any
Browns quarterback since the stat was created in two thousand,
so that's almost twenty five years. And in fact, Watson's
minus zero point three zero this season is the seventh
(05:41):
lowest mark of any quarterback in NFL history. He just
have not played well. And I don't know how much
longer they're gonna go with this. And they owe him
the money and all that, but I think that the
Browns are making a mistake. It's time to get it
right and stop trying to be right. They blew it.
(06:02):
They made a mistake. They didn't realize what the layoff
would have done to him. He was a good quarterback.
Anybody who questions not, no, no, I know people trying
to make it like, well he really wasn't that. No, no, no, stop.
He was a good quarterback. He is just not a
good quarterback anymore. I can't get over something's off. And
as I mentioned, you just wonder if it's mental. Like
(06:23):
he's just listen, We've all been at certain places in
our life when something mentally is draining you.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's taxing on you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's weighing on you, and it can affect your performance,
whether it be at work, whether it be maybe the
way you're parenting or your romantic relationship.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You know, maybe the way you're treating friends.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
When I tried not to, I try to, like just
keep looking at the camera, he shout to Elijah. But
you know what I mean, where something's weighing on you, right,
and maybe a family member's ill, a parent is going
through it. That stuff is a lot, man, and trying
to be a quarterback of a franchise in the NFL's
already hard job. I mean, Patrick Mahomes is the once
in a lifetime generation and he's not looking amazing. Imagine
(07:03):
being Deshaun Watson going through what you're going through, trying
to think it's over, and it seems like every few months,
every quarter, a new lawsuit, a new allegation. Dude, this
stuff is taxing, and then let's just keep it real.
Your personal life. Maybe I don't know if his wife
or girlfriend, whatever is over it. Let's say she's like,
you know, I'm trying to move past it. Let's just
in and another allegation right now that means you go
(07:25):
home and you got a whole nother thing you gotta
do with it. So all of this stuff weighs on him,
and the difference if you talk to any pro or anybody,
you've been covering this long enough to know anybody in
the NBA can drop forty any night, any quarterback, random
quarterback can throw two hundred and fifty three hundred yards
out of the blue, have a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Who can do this weekend week out?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That's what creates the good to great players, right all
stars to Hall of famers, who does this consistently?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And I just think he can't consistently do any of
that anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
With all of this on him, doubting himself, the team
doubting them, fans on them allegation, maybe he's lost a step.
Maybe again, the things that he normally would do as
far as practice and his habits aren't quite there. Maybe
the team's already, his teammates don't believe in him. You
just wonder if he'll ever be that again. And maybe
he will elsewhere. Maybe he gets another start somewhere else.
He's still relatively young. But at this time, to just
(08:17):
take the l if you're the Browns, you gotta just
take the loss and move on.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
How about the idea that you can't miss that much
time on that level and it not affects you.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I think that that's real.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like that's an exception. But I get the point. Mike
Vick will be the exception. Right, But but I'm saying,
how much time Rob g did he really miss?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Like a two seasons? No, it was like a season
and a half.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well, it was a season in three quarters, Okay, so
you see, like you're out of pro football. That's a
long time. And I'm just saying that. Maybe I remember
when Michael Jordan was out playing and came back. You remember, right,
he came back at the end of the season ready
for the playoffs. They got knocked out and he wasn't good.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You remember that. What did he get? He got good again?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But that's what listen, That's what I said automatic, And
you would think that you would think that maybe to
shaw him not being hit and all the work, you know,
like you're saving your body and all that, Oh you
should be you should be good and refreshed. And it
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Rhy him by timing with the team finding your guy
that you you know, I got the.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He doesn't look like anything that he looked like. I
just can't get over it, like like there are no
but you.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Give what I mean when I said, like that, shame
he's walked every time he steps out. The shame the
white people didn't see me, you know. And again Tiger Woods. Listen,
let's call it what it is. Ever since Tiger Woods
was exposed, he ain't never been the same. He's won
a tournament here there think he won what one major
maybe two?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Since then?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He ain't never been the same. Now again, somebody's gonna, oh,
man neck and back injuries. Yeah, and that's a that's
a fellow stuff, right, But he was never the same.
And I think that's when that stuff comes out. Man,
those types of things. Again, you're talking just to hair.
Think about a quarterback, right, hike, you're back there, you
take your drop back that one little small hesitation or
(10:11):
that one little thought or that one little I don't
have to rapport with this guy because I haven't been
able to put the time. It makes you average or
below average. That's the differentiator. And I think he's just
a hair off right now. Not really there probably, I
mean you're going home, probably got calls with your lawyer
every day.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Hey man, this is what we got do. We gotta
do this like it's just a lot. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But to your point, rop at some point, maybe it
is worth I mean at the Browns have to move on, right,
you got take to l We get this guy his
money first time ever, that much guaranteed we were wrong
for doing it. Maybe there's a reason why it's never
been done and they got to move on.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Here's the information, the money wise, okay, cause you know
there's always money attached to it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
So if Cleveland cut him today, they'd.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Have a one hundred and nineteen point nine million dollar
dead cap hit in twenty twenty four, an eighty point
seven million dead cap hit in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
If they cut him after the season.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Uh, it's a one point one eight point nine dead
cap in twenty twenty five and fifty three point a
dead cap hit in twenty twenty six if they cut
them in twenty twenty five. After the twenty twenty five season,
the cap hit is seventy two point nine and twenty
six point nine either way. But I'm saying it's gonna
(11:23):
be a lot of money either what no matter if
you want.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
To wait bay the bullet, do it now or wait
a year from now.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
If you wait a year from now, If you do
it now, it's one hundred and ninety eight million. A
year from now, it's one hundred and seventies said, so
it's not that you're not by the bullet. And if
you do it in twenty twenty six, which is inconceivable
it's a twenty twenty four season, it still would be
one hundred million. So that's really what. So you're basically,
(11:50):
do you want to save the ninety? Is really what
it comes down to. Either way, it's all that the
ninety eight to ninety, you know what I mean? The
ninety won't quite be the ninety by then anyway.
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Speaker 1 (12:10):
App, Let's Talk some Day in New York, Yes with
the Jets Man. This has been just a horrible soap
proper if you will, Starting from the injuries, starting from
the I don't you know, I'm missing out on things,
and I got the deep dark you know, retreats, Aaron
Rodgers and all of that. It's like there's been so
(12:32):
much other things going on other than good quality football
from the Jets.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
We've got.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Hug Gates where you know he doesn't hug sale out.
Oh great catch, and and everybody's making a thing of it.
We've got Gary Wilson coming out speaking out about the offense,
which looks still on their offense is historically bad right now.
It just goes back to the conversation I had. They
put everything in the Aaron Rodgers basket. They put everything
(12:58):
in a MVP former and multiple time MVP savior of
Aaron Rodgers, and they just said, here, do what you
will have the players you want, bring old Packers players in,
bring your old offensive coordinator in, whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Teams have done it before, teams will do it again.
But when you do that, it better worked, and it
hasn't worked. Their offense is trash. Uh. Gary Wilson again,
their best receiver saying, yo offense, I'm running lesser rous
than I had the last couple of seasons. Aaron's back,
we're hearing about offensive, so they can't run the bus.
(13:34):
So that's the part that shot off with them right now.
There's still plenty of football left to be had. Maybe
they make a deal, maybe Devontae Adams comes in and
things change a bit. But it has been disappointing that
the keys to the franchise were given to Aaron Rodgers
and uh, he's done nothing with it thus far. Touchdown
for the Saints, long sixty yard bomb, the shaheed from
(13:54):
Derek Carr there, he's looking at the camera right now.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
He said, I told you, I told you.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Through your touchdown. So they're back in that game. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Obviously they lost that game where they couldn't get the
end zone against Denver and the kicker missed the kick right,
had the distance, he just shanked it. He missed it.
They should have won that game. They didn't win that game.
And now you couple that with the loss to Minnesota.
Now they're two and three, where at least should be
three and two. I mean, but it's how they look
to you, you know what I mean. Well, but that's
what I was telling you about other teams too on
(14:27):
how you look. It's not just winning or losing, because
it is about where you walk. Because sometimes the team
can lose and you can still say I see something there,
they just haven't been able to finish it or whatnot.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
And then you have other.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Teams where you're where they they're playing, they're winning or
looking better, but you still look and go, oh, yes,
something's off. But in this case, the only thing they
have going for him is that there's still twelve games ago.
It's a long way to go, and this is it.
Aaron Rodgers threw three picks. He threw the ball like
(14:59):
fifty times. I think to put the ball up like
that trying to make something happen, you could have it.
He doesn't throw to turn the ball over. That's what's
so shocking too.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That's that's his strength. One of the strengths was it was.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Four touchdowns to every uners. He had the best touchdown
interception racial in the history of football. So it's surprising
on where they are and what's going on you know
so far.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But sure you think a twisted Is he the escapegoat?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Is he not?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
They're not to find anybody this year. They don't have
to let this thing play out.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Davante Adams is obviously something they're gunning towards, and it
looks like that could happen, but they.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Need to run the football too, and there's other things
that are going on. And if you can get Davonte Adam,
anytime you could add a talent like that, you take
advantage of.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It to It's not like he's just a random receiver
coming in. He's been He was the number one guy
for for Aaron Rodgers for years, so there's some rapport
there too, you know what I mean. It's like you're
bringing him, it'd be like all of a sudden, you know,
now he's a little older. But if Patrick Mahomes all
of a sudden got Travis Kelsey, you know, three years
ago out of the boots, like, oh we brought him back,
he'd be like yeah, or Tyreek Hill. They brought Tyreek
Hill back, you know, Travis Keill. Patrick mahonmes would love
(16:11):
to have Tyreek Hill back. So yeah, you you you
want to see that. But I just it's too much
Aaron Rodgers dominating the offense, bringing guys in, talking about
and I just.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Look at where they were though they had.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
An exact place they were with Zack Wilson. No, but
then come on, no, but are they not the exact
same team?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, but Wilson.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But I get that that's where they are. But that's disappointing.
That's Zach Wilson's best of where he was and what
I'm trying to tell you there's a difference. Aaron Rodgers
has a bigger ceiling. Zach Wilson was never good. Do
you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
But I'm saying I brought you into make but deadly
forget about Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that that he's gonna be
Aaron rod gonna be this bad all year.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Zach Wilson you couldn't get.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But so far true that with him that hey, we
got some we got some sound. From what the Jets
have been going through.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Its blowing my standard. I just found out I've never
thrown two ficks in the first quarter before, So that's
the first. One of us costs obviously seven and the
other you know, could have cost three. So in a
game where you lose by six, you know, plays like
that are exponentially highlighted. So three turnouts for me is
definitely out of character, and I'm disappointed.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
He's right you mentioned it. That's one of the great
things about him. He's not been a turnover machine.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
He's not a turnover machine in his career. But still,
you can't the three the three picks its just it
costs you. And again they didn't get run out of
the building. They lost by six.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You got to credit their defense, which has been pretty
good to really good throughout the season, keeping them in games,
keep giving them a chance. I mean, they've had some
ten games where they off their offense look terrible, yet
they've found themselves right in the game or even have
one a couple where it's like, how do we win that?
So credit to Rob Sala and his defense for keeping
them in there. But I'm hanging on to a lot
(18:02):
of football left. I'm hanging on to at DeVante Adams
type move before I completely write them off. And also,
they're in a division that they've got a shot.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Hills are better, but.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
The Bills are three and two and two and they're
two and three. Yeah, I mean they're not out of.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So being in that division, you got a shot.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And Miami's hurt, like Miamami, the team New Wingland's no good.
They could and then this is what I'm trying to say,
is as bad as it looks now that one game
out of winning the division like that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Right, and that's the and if they you know, if
the defense keeps playing like this, you get at DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Now we're talking. Now you're cooking.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
And a Rodgers plays way just better, not not hall
of fame, not hall of fame, not uh.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Just better. If he plays better, they have a shot.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I didn't have the high hopes for the Jets because
it's just a team that I followed for.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
A lot of people had him in this Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah, I wasn't there. But I think they're gonna be better.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think they have a shot at the division, especially
because I'm not buying in the Buffalo and No. Two
in Miami without those things going.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
They're still a possibility. There's the possibility from the get right.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And I think we've saw, you know, flashes a couple
of times from Aaron Rodgers. But some I think my
biggest issue, Rob is something isn't there camaraderie, kumbai Ya
in the building more so than just simply the gameplay. Gameplay,
something seems off, Like every we were having all these
false starts, and they've been you know, the cadence has
(19:34):
been fine every other place and all the other season's like,
something's off. You got Rob Sailor every other minute he's
having to you know, put down put out a fire here,
put out a fire there, put out a fire here.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And so something seems to be off to me.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Uh And until they fix that, I don't know that
we'll see them at their peak ability.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, but they're right there, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
That's the good thing for they are right there.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
They are. The Bills got off, they looked like they
were world beaters, and now they've come down back to earth.
So the Bills aren't the team that maybe we thought
they were. You know, like when they beat Jacksonville they
look like a machine.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And then when we know that Jacksonville, but still and
they had won a game or two prior to that
and looking all right. So yeah, if you're the Jets,
that's the that's the that's the mark. You know, if
we can beat the Bills, if we can get in
this postseason, even if we crawl in ten and seven
or something, hey we got a shot.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You never know.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, and they're going to be a work in progress. Obviously,
run he won there, right, they had to run the ball.
I don't know they were running the ball well or
first couple of games. Yeah, but it's dried up and
I think you have to You can't be one dimensional
with a forty year old quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
That's not fair to them and also to your defense.
Keep putting us in, you know, if you have three
quick outs or he turned the ball over and now
we're right back out on the field, and that can
get tiring as well.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
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Speaker 3 (21:13):
Rod, what's up, brother?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I doing Rod?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
What's going on with my brother? Mother? Hey? Rod?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
That game yesterday's Cincinnati was one for the agers.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I was thoroughly impressed.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Joe Burrow five touchdowns does his thing, and the Ravens
win that game and Lamar.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
The play that I still can't get over.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Was Lamar rolls to the right the farm and farms
a couple guys and those of touchdown in the end zone.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Was that not incredible?
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, I tell you what I mean. You know, stifferm Hubbard,
who's sixty five to sixty five, stiff Army drop him
to the ground, goes act like he looks like he's
gon an run out of bounds, and he throws it
back across the middle of the field into the end zone.
Timeah likely. I mean everything that you're talking to do, yep,
you did, and it worked. And it's just, you know,
(22:03):
just one of those things that you go out and
you watch these guys play, and you know, Joe Burrow
lighting up there the secondary and the defense for the
Ravens and Lamarin's doing the same thing to the Sinnetti
Bingals defense, And I mean, yes, So I love seeing
and calling that game. It was outstanding. But man, what
(22:24):
is going on with the defense in the National Football League?
They're getting dagged by everybody. They're like, the fundamentals are
just gone.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, tackling is down.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
We've seen some horrendous tackling performances by multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Let me, why don't you answer that? Well, let me
ask you one thing? Is it because and you stopped
me if I'm wrong. But we got to the point
where everybody's trying to punch the ball out, you know
what I mean, And and I really grab people to
tackle them to bring him down.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Am I wrong on that or.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Just that's the part of it there. Everybody's trying to
get the strip right, everybody trying to make a digt.
So they just they wrap they they just they shoulder
to tackle them. They don't even wrap up anymore, you know.
They they say, although we don't put pads on, but
we would take our pads off like week seven and
we would just have our sweats on and shorts on
(23:15):
when we practiced, and we still started up like almost
you I'm still getting the same shoulder things with the
same shoulders. Like I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna still
do the my technique right, So I don't lose that form.
I don't lose it on a consistent basis. But it's
just like in this league, for some reason that the
attacking us down, the the understanding coverages down, understand the
(23:39):
philosity of coverages down. It's just it's really sad to
see because these guys are making so much money and
they're so good. They're great athletes, but they're not playing
great football defensively. Offensively. Yeah, you can say when you're
putting up that many points, I thought it was going
to be a shoot on, but not knowing it's gonna
be that high you set, you think they're gonna put
(24:00):
some points on the board. But for the seeing across
the board, how the defense is playing across the league,
it's a league epidemic. Core tackling, not understanding coverage, not
understanding leverage, not understanding how to pay upfield, shoulder and
keep receivers in front of you. But then when you
get into the end zone, play what we call looking
lean to play underneath him. It just makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Rob Woodson our guests Hall of Fame dB and also
Fox Sports Radio NFL analyst Rod.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know, I'm gonna stay with the Ravens for a minute.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We had a Robin I had a great conversation and
then someone called in. We had folks calling in and
one of them said, Hey, what's different than this team
than last year, And I said, well, hey, hopefully you're
a season wiser and b deck Henry.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
What's different?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Are we wrong for thinking that that that this team
is not the same team as last year.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
It's not the same to every team is different, right,
But I think what Derek gives you is different as
that they bothered him up for fourth quarters for the
most part. Right, you get that one carry in the
overtime when he gets the second possession and he takes
it fifty some yards, right, and they just keeps go,
go to win. So yeah, but the key is with
(25:12):
Derek and you have to understand what there's elimin of
the deeper coordinators ran when you play them. If if
Lamar puts that ball in their stomach, is the end
crashing is the linebacker stepping with him. And then if
he pulls it and he gets to the edge, Lamar shooes.
He's making everybody looks crazy. He looked like a fool.
So it's just it's then that you do then if
(25:34):
you don't with you know, with that philosophy, and they're
they're making a lot of people have headaches. But the
one thing Lamar is doing real well, he's throwing those
eating media passes. He's getting rid of him. They blicked
him quite a bit. He got rid of the football.
He fouled his open receivers. He struggled a little bit
in the first half. He did some deeper balls and
(25:54):
they kind of went went went high. But he recalculated,
replanted a seat, got the ball down. And if he
can do that on a consistent basis, now you can't
stack the box. So he's gonna get rid of the football.
He's gonna find his guys. They're gonna put some tight
ends out there, and I think everybody's realizing they got
three really good tight ends and they got running back.
(26:15):
They can get the ball come out of the backfield.
So it's gonna be hard to defend this football team.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
How about what should the Browns do? They're in a
bad job, Deshaun Watson. I mean, let's be.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Walk off the field like that and then right the coach.
You see the coach when he put his head down
and say where are you going? Right, he like take
his head set up like I was like that is
like he quit.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Like like you know that the coach can't even get
in the play that he wants to run, the quarterback
walks off, and Deshawn's been a bust, been terrible rod
for going on two seed nine and eight.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
I know one thing, if if if he was on
our team and he walked off that field, he ain't
play no more mm hmm, because we'll go to the
coach he no, I'll play with anybody else. Right, You
ain't putting that dude back out there because he quit
on us.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
They because he's so talented, he's obviously I don't know what.
It's all the office field issues, right, and it's gotten
to his head. I'm not really sure because I've never
talked of to him, but I'm saying, quitting when your
guys is tough man, especially.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Off that position too. That's you know, he's supposed to
be the leader. Uh and that how about what are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Pittsburgh?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Okay, they once started out three and oh, now they've
lost their last couple. I mean to me, Uh, you
look at Justin Field's uh and against that Dallas Cowboys
defense missing their two best players, they haven't been able
to stop the run all year. Uh, that turned the
(27:54):
ball over three times. Pittsburgh has to win that game.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Don't they Yeah, but they I mean think about it,
and they still had it. So this vaulted defense that
was there, they have a great opportunity to stop them.
And they let Dallas Cowboys march right down the field
and score a touchdown. So they had the opportunity. And yes,
for several years, the TIBURH Shuters offense has been mediocre.
(28:20):
We know it, right, but the defense has always been good.
The defense always rises up and makes a play, and
they were making place throughout the game. That one drive
they just couldn't make the play.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, you know, they almost they almost made it.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I'll tell you what, that was a really nice play.
That was a really nice play. With that being said,
you just got to think, you know, and then do
you bring Russell in? Is he going to be if
you're gonna make this offense better? I don't know if
he's going to make the offense better. I just don't know.
And and if you don't know, you know, do you do?
(28:57):
You stay with field and let run will get completely healthy.
And then I think if they don't play any better
next week, I think you got to make a change.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Say that's what I think.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think there's one more week here, and if they
lose again and now at three and three and the
offense still just isn't where it needs to be, I
think they probably will just to see if Russ can
give them anything.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Right, I think you have to. It's unfair to the
rest of the teams could not make the change when
you bought Russell Wilson in here, who won a Super Bowl,
went to two, has played at a high level. He
knows how to play, so I think you got to
give him an opportunity at least see he can make
a difference for the offense and put a spark with
(29:38):
that offense and makes him play for him along with
the defense, because the defense just needs a little help.
And I think if they can get that, it'd be good.
But I think after next week, if ifs can go
out there and play great, then you stay with fields.
If he doesn't, he if he doesn't even have a
hard game again, I think you gotta. I think Mike
has really look in the mirrors to make the change.
I know it's gonna be tough for him, but you know,
(30:00):
might have been good. He don't have some words to
make y' all think, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
I like what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, well he always does that. We'll get you out
of here on this one, Rod.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know, I'm sitting here laughing because here we are
an hour and forty minutes into our show, and once
again we never really talk about the Minnesota Vikings. They're
like the best team that no one really talks about.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
What do you make of them? Again?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Just having this great season defensively, Sam Donald looking good?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Where are you with them?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Are they the best team in football who no one
really talks about or maybe cares.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
I think they're I think they're a really good football team.
I don't put a lot of stocks and I mean,
obviously you played the team that you're playing on yours
on your schedule. And I think defensively, I think they've
done a tremendous job of showing a lot of different looks.
They get some plays, getting plays, of getting quarterbacks confused.
(30:52):
I think Sam Donald has done a tremendous job rekinding
his you know, his career jets.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
He had no touchdowns in the interception. Wasn't like he
was playing lights out?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
No, no, but but he's not. He wasn't playing lights out.
But sometimes you don't have to always play great when
you when you can play mediocre to average and still win,
that's a plus for your football team. That's the same
thing you kind of would you know the Kansas City Chiefs.
Everybody's like, got Kansas City because they're they're playing really
good football. They're winning, but they're not looking great, you know,
(31:25):
like the dominant. But man, it's hard to be that
dominant all the time. And I think for Minnesota, nobody
thought in the I don't think there's anybody else. There's
one bet that say the Minnesota Vikings will be five
and zero after the first five weeks, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Hey, Rod, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And that's what always try to tell Rob relaxed, darting,
winning and not Rob had always want to find.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'm a nippick. Hey, thank you, Rob,
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