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October 8, 2024 29 mins

Rob and Kelvin debate whether the New York Jets made the right decision to fire head coach Robert Saleh after just five weeks, argue over how much blame Aaron Rodgers deserves for Robert Saleh getting the axe from the New York Jets and debate whether it’s fair to say that Kansas City Chiefs are winning in spite of Patrick Mahomes right now.

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm gonna stand up, Okay, all right, stand up, and
I'm going to applaud the Jets.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay, let me hear it. Rhy Frost I join in
on there because I think I'm gonna feel differently.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
They are a terrible franchise and a made mistake after
mistake after mistake. This wasn't a mistake, okay. And my
point is the season is in graph and reach. The
season ain't over. I told you before two or three
of they beat Buffalo. I think they played what Monday
night they beat Buffalo be in first place. So you

(01:05):
don't want to chuck the season. You don't want to
say we'll give them to the end of the year. No,
We've seen enough after three years and the bad record
they can't run the ball, false starts, all the other stuff.
Aaron Rodgers hasn't played great, but there's other things problems
on the teams as well. And I'm saying, if you're
ever gonna make the move, Kelvin, it's now the season.

(01:29):
The division is up for grabs. Miami don't have a
quartered a bit. The Patriots are gonna start a rookie quarterback.
They're making that move because they can't have no traction.
They can't do anything, they can't score. It agains right,
So those two teams are out of the mix. You
only have one team in front of you. And Buffalo
started out as a house on fire and now they've
lost their last two. The division is there. You got

(01:52):
a forty year old quarterback. You gotta try to do
whatever you can.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
To make this happen.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
And for once the Jets got it right. How much
longer do you need to look and say, well, you know,
we don't.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
We don't want to.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Jane want to get the guy jams to keep all
of that. It has been bad. I never thought he
was a head coach. Sala I didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
That's I didn't. I just did not.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
He doesn't reek of Andy Reid, of Bill Belichick, of
Mike Tomlin, and so on and so far.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
And I understand that. Butt me.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Let me bring you back down a little bit. I'm
glad you you're sitting down, you and your.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Little Arnold Palmer. Here. Here's where I challenge you.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I don't I'm not gonna sit up here and be
a public defender for Robert Salom. That's not what I'm
gonna do. However, I am gonna say, this is what
happens when you go all in, like we've talked about,
and they're all in on the Aaron Rodgers experiment. So
they have to do things that they normally wouldn't do.
They normally don't fire coaches in middle of a season.

(02:53):
They don't normally do that. They've never done that, at
least under this ownership. You know what they just did.
They fired him, Adam Gage. You know what he didn't do,
get fired middle of the season or in the middle
of a season. Now, Robert sala definitely wasn't the solution,
but he also wasn't a problem.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
I could not disagree with you more. Here's why.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Though the one stability on this team was their defense.
It was either great for a couple of seasons, including
last season and the season before that or this season,
it's been what's keep kept them in games, because it
surely wasn't Nathaniel Hackett in his offense, and it sure
ain't been forty year rowd former MVP, because when I'm
looking at the offense, it's twenty third and first downs,

(03:33):
twenty seventh in scoring, and twenty seventh in total yards.
So when he's getting ready to rumors have it the
reports are he was gonna let Nathaniel Hackett go. Then
the owner had a conversation with him and then obviously
with Aaron Rodgers, which he said Aaron Rodgers had nothing
to do with it. Now, Nathaniel Hackett has a job
and Sala doesn't. But I'm just saying that's the one

(03:55):
constant was that their defense kept them in games. Their
defense was the thing that had them give a chance
to win. The offense surely wasn't it. So the one
guy who has been doing his job pretty well is
the guy that's let go. That shows me, hey, whatever
Aaron Rodgers needs to succeed, that's what they're gonna do.
And I'm not saying that's the worst thing in the

(04:15):
sense of you've already made your bed, you gotta lay
in it with him.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
But that's how I view this.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
They're all in, fully all in of the Aaron Rodgers experiment,
including not letting Nathaniel Hackett go and instead letting Robert
Salad go, which to me, all right.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Good luck, hiss.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Why your argument holds no weight, zero a lot of weight, No,
no way holds early eighties Oprah weight. Because since twenty
twenty two, the Jets have had the worst offense in
the NFL by mile way before Aaron Rodgers ever got there.
They're thirty second in points, thirty second in touchdowns per game,
thirty seconds in turnovers, thirty seconds in EPA, and thirty

(04:51):
first in.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yards per you're saying this is pre Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yes, then you're approving my points is pre the offense
ain't working.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
No, why has that had to do with the defense.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Because he's a head coach. This is before the Hacket
got there. This is before Aaron Rodgers got there.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
This is a law. This has not been so.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I bringing Aaron Rodgers, who you believe is the almost
greatest of all time. I give him everything he wants.
Offensive coordinator. Former players an issue is the defensive side
of the ball that's been either good to great.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Help me understand what you're saying that nothing has changed.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
That's the problem that he's in charge and nothing has
changed since he got there. And my point is that
you have to at some point decide to make a change.
You can't continue to do the same thing. And he's
the one. He's not the defensive coordinator anymore. That's his specialty. Yes, okay,
but he's not the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
He's the head coach.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
And if we're gonna give him credit when they win
eleven games, right, even though you have an offensive coordinator
defensive coordinator, the head coach would get credit for the
eleven or twelve wins, I'm gonna give him the blame
when they don't win.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
And that's don't work.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know what, you can give him walk like you
can't give him the blame because you're forced to give
him the blame? Does you have no choice? But we
all know what the issue is. I just sold you
Robert Slit the solution. I ain't gonna sit there and
act like, don't let him go.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
He's a man.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm just saying, Aaron Rodgers got you acting all kinds
of difference.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
No, it's not you.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I'm talking about the ownership. I never let a coach go.
Adam Gates was terrible. Adam Games kept a job the
whole season. The ownership said, we have weapons.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (06:27):
This has to be fixed on what side of the ball?
On the offensive side of the ball. Okay, we have weapons.
Can't even run the ball. Was supposedly fixing the offensive line.
Did you see this game Sunday? They were all over
Aaron rods He did.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And listen then where they had no choice. You can't
let Aaron Rodgers go at this point, you it's not
like that's not even a possibility.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
So all I'm three.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
It ain't about letting Aaron rodd you're two and three,
and then you're one game behind the division. You're two
and you're trying to fix what's wrong and it ain't
the players. You gotta get somebody else in there. And
Robert Salad, you can see the all you want. Dude,
Ain't nobody hiring him, Ain't nobody running to hire him
as a head coach.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
No, remember a defensive coach. That's a specialty.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And again, never get another opportunity after you see what
they've done.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Over well, you too, you've coach, You've been in this
game long enough to know that that is necessarily the case.
But again, I'm not about to sit up here and
argue with you that Robert sala is again the next
great head coach. All I'm simply saying is this is
an example of the fall guy. Somebody got to be
the fall guy in this situation, and it was him.
And I've been telling you'all for two weeks now, the

(07:38):
Aaron Rodgers experiment you made.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
They put all the.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Chips on them, and these are the types of moves
and results you have to do when you've done all
lay with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3 (08:01):
So you have an issue with the Jets, who haven't
won anything since Moby Dick was a guppy, that the
idea that they would give a future Hall of Fame
quarterback any say.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I don't need your I'm just telling you this is
your qualifiers.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
This is what you're saying, because I'm trying to make
sense out of it.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
What I'm saying is, and I've been saying, is that
this has been ever since Aaron Rodgers has come. It
went from a team that wasn't good. We all knew
that who actually probably overachieved being seven and nine a
couple of seasons ago was Zach Wilson and all that,
and ended up winning some more games last season, more
than you thought. Listen, Robert sala is not a guy

(08:45):
that you're gonna write home to be like, hey, this
guy's have to be a head coach for a decade.
But there was some stability on the defensive side. They
weren't as great as they had been, but they're still solid,
still keeping them in games. But once Aaron Rodgers came,
and I get it, Listen, I'm not even mad at it.
You have a chance to bringing Aaron Rodgers to a
team that a great defense at the time of the
signing makes sense, but all that has come with it,
and this is what happens when you go and you

(09:07):
put everything, all your eggs in this one basket. He
wants to do everything his way, bringing my guys, bringing
my offensive corner and beinging this. He wants zero accountability.
He want everything.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
He wants zero. Every week, every he threw the three interceptions,
but every week said it. He said it all.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Of a sudden, you have to admit the b everything
has begun to unravel where it's every week it is
your two and three and there are other two and
three teams that are less dramatic. Every no thing but
the offensive line of cadence. We're talking about Garrett Wilson
doing this. Aaron Rodgers didn't like that. And if then
you hack it, he's got his he's got his other
tole over his head. They don't owe me and Sola

(09:47):
are good. We don't have to necessarily. I think it's
too early for hugs, Like every week is a thing,
and it's tiring, it's exhausting, and he ain't playing nothing
good enough to warrant that. It's not like he's Lamar Jackson.
Bring a bunch of dumm will shoot you know, and
you can drama all you want. You can be a Telenobeva,
you can be a soap opera. You can bring off
the drama. Because boy is balling out here. That's not
the case. And so Roberts Saler firing was inevitable because

(10:11):
everything is not looking, it's falling, it's not great, it's chaos.
Somebody got to go. And their whole entire identity right
now is Aaron Rodgers. So he's not going anywhere. So
obviously Robert Sala had to be the fall guy. And
again I'm not saying he's Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin,
whoever you want to throw in there, but I'm saying
this is what they've now created with Aaron Rodgers, and
they got to ride this thing out and come another

(10:33):
two months. They better hope it worked because if it
continues to be cast and this fault, his fault, this
offense is bottom of the third, bottom of the NFL.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Right now, what do you do next? What do you
do next season? What do you mean you're not worried about?
Worried about next season?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And number one, here's where we part company, is that
Aaron Rodgers should get some credit and credibility in coming
in as a guy who has won a Super Bowl,
who has won a Super Bowl MV. You could sit
here and go, well, he didn't win two or whatever
it is. Dean Marino didn't win.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
A super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Okay, there's a lot of great quarterbacks that never won
a Super Bowl. He did win a Super Bowl, he
did win a Super Bowl MVP, and he won four
MVPs in this league. It ain't like everybody has four MVPs. Okay,
So if a guy's gonna come in to a more
bond franchise that hasn't won jack since nineteen sixty nine,

(11:25):
I am going to listen to that guy more so
than a head coach who can't get it right and
hasn't been able to get it right and will probably
never ever ever get another head coaching job.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
So, yes, it's a bumpy start. They better hope it works,
all I'm saying. So would you say they better they
ever won anything. If it doesn't work, it will be
that it was on the Jets. The fact that I
never win, Just be happy I never win a game.
When I gave you the keys to the King my
gid example, he.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Didn't in his own head coach Robert Bate.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Manning had almost the exact same things you just said.
Super Bowl title, bunch of MVPs, same kind of guy,
I think, obviously, I think he's had a better career
than Aaron Rodgers, but I absolutely get the same thing.
He goes to Denver, they ball out. The first year,
ball the heck out, make it all the way to
the super Bowl. Right then the next year they go
back or whatever it was, the next year they go

(12:25):
to super Bowl and obviously they go to the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Was the first year with him they went. He went
to three one. He went to two super Bowls with
the Broncos. No he went with he.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Went to two super prod didn't bite many go to
two super Bowls.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
With the Broncos. No he went. He went with thank you. Two.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
He got smacked up the first time of the leagues
with Boom Seattle Leeds in the Boom and then he
beat Carolina.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
But I thought until he went to four super Bowl,
didn't he go with the Okay, so I thought with
the coach and one with.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
By the way, notice a trend that great goes a
bunch of super Bowls. Your boy just casing to get back.
And that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
But till but the difference is, go look at his
numbers in the Super Bowl. What he had.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Oh no, he was winding. I agree, okay, and this
he got benched that one thing. I'm a human. He
ain't win that, you ain't never gonna here. He was
an ad on in that suit one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I'm not gonna act like he was out there looking
like you know, Steve Young and Joe Montana in the
Super Bowl. But I'm just simply saying, your brother keep
kept getting there, and I need Aaron Rodgers. It doesn't
make sense to talented to not get back. And and everybody,
including the Jets, was saying, man, with this team, this defense,
these weapons, he gets here, this should work now, to
be fair, because a brother always tries to be fair.

(13:35):
Give him some time, maybe this thing can work out.
But I just find it crazy that all this chaos
every week is something else. Every week is the Cats no,
and the Cats is fine. Oh, Gary Wilson off, Gary
Wilson saying what's wrong with the offense? It was, it's
worse now than it was my first couple of seasons
in the league. And it's everything else. It's everybody else
except who was there trying to dominate this thing. So

(13:57):
that's what all I'm saying is you have major Aaron
Rodgers is laying all a minute, May it better work out, But.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
It doesn't make when you say it better work out.
What is the alternative? They don't have an alternative? Old,
let me let me get my point. This isn't a
franchise that has done anything right for forty years. So
if it doesn't work out, this will be the Jets
as who they are because they bought Brett Favan and

(14:24):
it didn't work with Brett Farr.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
What do you have to say about Brett fark It
was better than this. He went there.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
They were eight and three, No, and then they and
then they lost the rest of the year and didn't
even make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
They started eight and three and didn't they notice that?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
You notice the common trick, You notice the common Trenck
stop bringing in forty some year olds. No, but my
ptop bringing in forty some year old That's exactly what.
So you say, what can they do? You don't drive
Zach Wilson. Find nobody was screaming for Zach Wilson. That's fine,
the right guy Jets. So I'm saying they better find
a way to make a change. And I'm not even mad. Again,
keep in mind what I'm saying is in life, all

(15:00):
of us have done this, whether it's a relationship, whether
it's a sports team.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
You made your bed, you're all in with this.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
And that's why I'm saying it's better work, because now
it's just another year behind the eight ball, another year
where you let people go, another week where your star
receiver ain't happy, another year for the defense talking about.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
The star receiver was happy last year when Zach Wilson
was get on the quarterback. You know, Garrett Wilson, he
said the offense is worse. That's scary if you're telling
me my offensive robby won seven games last year, and
and Garrett.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Wilson literally said that his offensive routes and the things
that he's knowing it's worse.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Was happy last year that they won SI I'm saying
it's worse than it. They won games. Come on, man,
you better you better get to seven this year. Please,
you better get to seven.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
I think we're gonna hold on Alex Holless tape because
when they win the division, we'll go, we'll revisit this
and then you'll look and say, what was I talking about?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Well, how was I defending Roberts.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
With some wings on the right. Now you're doing some
Buffalo Bills are winning the division. You said they won't
win seven games.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, no, you heard me. The Buffalo Bills will win
the division. You can bet wings on it.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
The division is up for grabs, true, and they have
a chance. Buffalo's not the team we just disag Bufclow
is not the same team everybody.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Where your mouth.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I said, it's a bet Clocket Buffalo Bills. Buffalo Bills
will win the division.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Real quick, before you guys stamp it, Rob, give you
one chance to back out it.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I'm not backing out of it.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
Since nineteen seventy, and I don't want rolfs wings. Since
nineteen seventy, how many teams that fired their coach mid
season went on to make the playoffs that year?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Five? Zero? Are you sure?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Okay, this is not mid season. This is five games
in and then one game out of this quarter. Okay,
So now he.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Said nineteen seventy.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's a long time, Rob, But that's another Usually when
they fired coaches, they're on five or what.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
This is not that?

Speaker 1 (16:56):
And now don't think since nineteen seventy they've had coaches
who were two and three.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
No, no, not the team ahead of you, Okay, we
just talked about it. The team ahead of you is
one game ahead, Miami has no quarterback, Miami's out of it. Agreed,
if they win month, this is how quickly they win
Monday they were.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
In first place.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
You know they gotta keep winning, right, No, no, no,
band gotta just win Monday.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
They got to keep winning.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
How many coaches of those who got fired, okay to
the nineteen seventy who got fired went to first place.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
After winning their first game? How many zero?

Speaker 3 (17:29):
And that's what I'm saying, that it's set up that
you can turn this around because the degree of difficulty
is it like throwing far?

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Like right now, if I'm on phone, if they were
owing five, rob g, then I would agree with that.
Of course you would on five.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh. And this is what makes it better because you
actually feel like there's a chance. This is full on
Second City moment right now. I bet this is full
I bet you three. This is how I feel like
you're doing right now twenty Like you're typing.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
In your phone thirty to twenty.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Do you me and Alex get any of the wings
you want to get in betting you get just saying, guys,
I'm you're after getting thirty wings.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Of course I'm sharing. I don't want to see all
thirty of me and my wings are not coming from Ralphs. Y'all.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Now, I might buy you rafpsrings because.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
That's you're okay with that, all right?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Ralph was all right with me shout out to Rause
for my groceries, not my wings for me to be
eating in the moment, matter of fact, let alone your ribs.
But yeah, so I like a little Louisiana rubb couple
of lemon peppers.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Can you give them a mile? Can you clue them in?

Speaker 3 (18:28):
When Chris Boussaw went to try on the Jordan's when
we had our uh Nationals Dodgers, bet, Chris Bussan had
to nerve the Dodgers were up two oh, he went
to foot locker to try on the Jordans that he wanted.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay, you know the Nationals cats back in one. That's
that that's a bull pick. That's much bolder than that.
I gave you that one more than this one.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
And he went to try his Jordans and had the
nerve to go to the store and let me know
that he went try them more.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
He's probably sick about that right now, Elijah flip that
so we can just remind him right now, you want
to drop to your knees.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
That's right.

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Speaker 3 (19:17):
Some other stuff to talk about, and it is the
Kansas City Chiefs who went to five and oh last
night on Monday Night football. He beat the Saints and
Derek Carr got hurt in that game. So the same
it's going to be out and whatnot. And the weird

(19:38):
thing is the Chiefs continue to win, and they're winning
kind of in spite of Patrick Mahomes. And I know
that sounds crazy, but I'm just when you think of
somebody as an all time great, and that's what Patrick
Mahomes has a chance to be, right like all time great.

(20:02):
It's amazing to see even in the win right in
Kansas City at home or whatever. If I said to
you he had no touchdowns and one pick in the
end zone that that was the game, like they won
and they won by thirteen points or whatever it was,
you would say, wow, right, yeah, did you feel like,

(20:24):
like what do you when you see him play?

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
It is perplexing because he's not as accurate as he
normally is. He's still making a heroic play here or there.
Obviously saw that run he had that scrambled for the
first down and like Superman when he jumped, but him
in the red zone. Being bottom of the league in
the red zone, that's crazy because that's what they did.
He found, you know, Travis Chelsea, he found other receivers.

(20:48):
He would find a way if it was himself running
in the end zone, he would score points. And that's
what you had to do.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
They had to do.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
You had to outscore the Chiefs for you know, maybe
four or five of the years of the run they've had.
But now that's not the case. Now, you know, you
have to just not hurt yourself. That's the new formula
to beat the Chiefs. Don't hurt yourself, meaning don't turn
the ball over, don't give up interceptions, don't fumble, and
you got a chance to beat them because they've been

(21:15):
in a lot of games lately where they've barely beaten people.
The statu is crazy, all the games they've won under
seven points.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
It really it's actually crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
They what is it now, like ten or eleven games
they've won in a row seven points are under, so compliment.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Them for getting right seven in a row.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I think it is a seven in a row, right
seven in a row under seven points. Give them credit
for getting the job done. But that is staggery. Let's
just call what it is. When historically your brain reverts
to them gonna beat you thirty five to twenty, you
know that's just what your brain is thinking.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
No, we just haven't seen those games, and it's pretty shocking.
But I'm here to say, and I'm one of these people.
I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or anything like that,
but that is not or his legacy or all that
talking about right here, right now here, man now. And

(22:09):
when I look at Patrick Mahomes and his play, I
think of Daniel Jones with a great defense. That's what
Patrick Mahomes has turned into. I know people don't want
to believe it or say, oh, Rob, you're being over
dramatic or you're dissing Patrick Mahomes. I'm not talking about

(22:30):
legacy and career. When you start looking at some of
these stats, it's it's it's staggering. I can't get over
how bad the Kansas City Chiefs are you talked about
it in the red zone?

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Right? Is bad?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
How are you thirtieth with Patrick Mahomes and some of
the other players.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
You have Kelsey whatever and players of that.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Ill But yeah, I do think that's part of the problem, Rob,
is that they don't have the other players that we've named.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
We're used to a Tyreek hill.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
But you expect a great player to elevate whoever comes in.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Listen, I'm not gonna if you think I'm here to
defend the way he's playing.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
The only difference I'll say is, first of all, I
will like jump over this thing if you ever say
he's Daniel Jones again, Jones, what a great defense? Crazy
as the kids say. Now to that it it just
registered because I know I'm listen one. I try to
be fair and let you cook now right now, you
ain't cooking. You barely boiling a hot dog. Now, what
I'm trying to say is I get the Daniel Jones

(23:32):
hold up. I get the Daniel Jones reference as far
as his statistically, but the difference between he and Daniel
Jones is he still finds a way to make the play.
He don't make all the plays. I'll give you that
he's not making many many plays like he used to.
Last night, that run that gave they were already up
and they that running gets the first down.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
They kept showing it because it's like a Sue Jones told.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
You he had no touchdowns and an end zone. Uhick,
you would be like.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
That's all he And I'm gonna add to your point
to make it even worse. This was his first game
in six straight games without an interception. So yes, I'm
with you, Patrick Mahomes. Ain't Patrick Mahomes right now. And
here's the quiet secret, Rod Parker. It's been like this
for a while. They say, just this season. We're still
early five weeks last you can cherry pick a couple

(24:24):
of games in the postseason as well.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
They got They got shut out in the second half
against the Ravens in the AFC Championship game. They keep
running the ball.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Maybe we're having a comedy different conversation with the Ravens
having won, but they got. But this is another point
I have to give credit to Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes
and on down is that they are One of the
benefits of winning all the time is the psychological warfare
in which you now dominate.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Right, we were talking you and I off air.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Here twenty eight to three, the Atlanta Falcons are up
on the Patriots, and I remember going in a halftime
and my wife kind of came downstairs. She wasn't overly
watching the game. She goes, oh, look at this chorus.
She's like, Oh, they're gonna win. I said, ah, this
is still Brady. And I didn't think they were necessarily
going to win, but I thought it ain't over. This
is Brady. And that's one of the benefits you have
when you've won all the time. The Spurs used to

(25:15):
do that to people, where you're like, ah, man, you're
only up eight against the Spurs with another seven minutes left.
I don't know the Warriors. We all go ooh, you're
only up ten with the Warriors. That ain't none but
a few shots for Stephan Clay. And you start to
win the psychological battle, which is a part of the game.
And I'll credit any reading Patrick Mahomes that they have
won that psychological battle where in that last few minutes

(25:37):
people get weird. You start acting outside of yourself. You
don't run the ball if you're the Baltimore Ravens, So
I'll credit them with that that they at least also
have not only has their defense gotten better last year
into this year as well, teams beat themselves against them
because they're freaking out about, oh, we got to Patrick Mahomes,
we gotta beat them, we got to do this, and
they start beating themselves.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
And here's the Daniel Jones. If you think I'm being
like over the top, but I'm trying to diss Patrick Mahomes.
Here the numbers this season. Mahomes averages two hundred and
sixty three point six total yards. Okay, he has six
touchdowns and six interceptions in five games, right, with a
passer rating of eighty eight point nine. Daniel Jones averages

(26:18):
two hundred and forty nine point two total yards. He
has six touchdowns, which matches Patrick Mahomes, and he has
only three interceptions, three less than Patrick Mahomes. And his
quarterback rating is eighty six point three. There ain't much separation.
This is what I'm talking about. Patrick Mahomes is Daniel

(26:39):
Jones with a great defense.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Am I lying?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Now?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
I'm gonna tell you what I'm a lying on?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Bing three, Roger, you've been working with this man for
a long time, and I've been working with him now
for almost a month. And you know one name be
fit you know what name? If I bring up, he's
ready to blow his gasket. Aaron Rodgers. You will publicly
defend Aaron Rodgers all the way public Aaron Rodgers be
sending you free Packer gear and free Jets gear the
way you defend him. But all of a sudden, But

(27:04):
all of a sudden, Patrick Mahomes, who has done more
than's some Aaron Rodgers, you want to compare that man
to Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
The blasphemy, I can't believe the blasphemy.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
No, I'm trying to keep it real in that we
got to live in the here and now. This is
not a lifetime achievement. That's what you be cherry picking
when you want to live in here and now. I
always want to get on the lifetime achievement.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's what you do with a Rogers and bring up
a Super Bowl from two thousand and night nine.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
I'm gonna defend a Super Bowl winner over a team
that hasn't won a defense.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Patrick Mahomes, he's got three of them. I mean he's
currently got two.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I'm not gonna defend him when he has When Daniel
Jones has less interceptions and the same quarterback with Daniel Jones,
as we think of, is the low of the low.
There ain't no way they should ever be on par,
not for a game, not for five games. They should never.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Be on par. You know what is up here and
Daniel Jones is down here? Keep it that way.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Do you know who would sit here right now and
be cringeworthy? Daniel Jones will be like roight.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
I know he would, because Daniels will be right, You're like,
all right.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
He'd probably make more money than Mahomes because he took
a bag contract too. By the way, James making Daniel
Joes making like forty million dollars, which you're furthering my point.
Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
The fact that he's making anywhere near the samees Patrick
Mahomes is blasphemy.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I can't believe.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Now.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
That's because I completely get your point as far as
Patrick Mahomes not.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Look at and you just brought it up. Last year
was bad too. What do you have, Rob g Sixteen
seventeen interceptions last year was rough. To listen, he's something
I and he's he's acknowledged that something's off.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
He said that he's every week, he's still you know,
working on the fundamentals, working on his mechanics. But I'm
curious what, like Andy Reid would even say, you know, like,
what is off? What do you see? What is going on?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
What is Maybe it's that Kermit the Frog doll that
the Raiders have.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Maybe maybe it was a voodoo do you remember that? Yeah,
I don't remember that. Was it a voodoo dove? I
was shocked that they were mocking him.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I thought, Wow, the Raiders got some nerve to mock
Patrick Mahomes would have would have.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Curmit the fraud and that man went ahead one another
title and now they don't even know who the coach is.
Coach liking videos, Davante Adams went out of there, rob
Zi laughing and paint over there,
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