November 12, 2024 • 34 mins
Rob and Kelvin argue over how much blame Caleb Williams deserve for what’s gone wrong for the Chicago Bears, debate whether the NBA Cup should be viewed as a good idea for The Association and tell us if Klay Thompson was ‘selfish’ for depriving the Warriors trio of Steph-Klay-Dray from retiring together in Golden State.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Harker, world famous show wadal and Sylvie ESPN forever two
of the most respected members of the media in that area.
So Sylvie put out a tweet about an hour after
the news broke that Shane Waldron was being fired as
the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And in it he said two things.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
One that several Bears players went to Iberflus and GM
Ryan Poles and said, Hey, it's not working with Waldron.
We gotta move on, replace him, maybe not fire him,
do whatever you gotta do. He's not doing a good
job with the offense. But then he added there at
the end of his tweet. Also, several Bears veterans believe
that Tyson Beagent should be starting at quarterback over Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Well for them to say Tyson, beagent who sounds more
like a good law firm Beijing and beigent, you know,
or a lottery detergent or something. I mean, that just
shows you how bad things are going right now in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Win again.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Just maybe three four weeks ago, we were all feeling like,
all right, maybe this team might be better than we thought.
Maybe this team, you know, can you mess around and
contend to the NFC North or at least at least
make some noise in the NFC and maybe be one
of those teams sneaks into a wild car.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
They lost a game that was devastating to them. That
and that was the defense. That was the defense giving up.
If you remember, Caleb led them down yep to the
go ahead score and then remember like that's how you
see changes.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
They all of a sudden give up some points.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
And they didn't they didn't have a massive offensive outputting
that pool game, but chance to win.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well, he led them down.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
They were behind the whole game, and they actually took
the lead and then came the hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Which was just an awful play by the d Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I mean, you got guys, but obviously we know what happened,
and you and little to your point, little things like
that can fracture already fragile team that's just trying to
hold it together. Right, You got defensive players talking smack
with the crowd during the play, not paying attention on
a Hail Mary, and it seems like their their season
is gone. They need some hail Mary, some prayers right now.
Since then, but one of the things that you heard
(02:42):
about Caleb Williams in college, especially here being in local
sc usc and us here being here in LA, was
that as magnificent as he is, the one criticism this
is during his Heisman campaign and especially the next year,
last year twenty twenty three, was that maybe just maybe
a couple of things rob And this is where I
(03:02):
feel like it leads to the second point will be
where I think it leads to what you hear from
some of the veterans on this team. One is that
he holds the ball too long. He's been used to
that because he's been better than everybody in high school,
better than everybody in college. I can do this, I
can make these superman like plays. When you start to
look at some of his numbers, now it starts to
resemble that this is what he believes He's thirty second
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in completion percentage fifty five point five percent yards per attempt.
At this low, he's at four point nine. He's sacked
eighteen times, including nine just this past previous game. He's
tied for thirty first and passing touchdowns with zero rob
and thirtieth in total QBR at twenty one point two
during this losing street, specifically that he's been on this
(03:47):
losing streak. All these numbers are for that. So you
look at him holding the ball. You look at him
all of a sudden, holding the ball too much in college,
and this is what they're saying he does. He tries
to Oh, and you can get away with this in
college because you're just better than everybody, and those those
separations are much larger between your receiver and the defensive
backs in college because you're, as seen, you're playing some
(04:08):
schools that aren't that great with a bunch of guys
who are gonna off become sales insurance agents, not in
the NFL with pros who were good. The second half
of this is you remember hearing little weird things about
like he doesn't necessarily maybe not get along with the guys.
He's kind of a different guys. He's a little bit
aloof and he's kind of a different cat when it
comes to leadership ability. And to me, that might scream
(04:31):
loud too when you have veterans with a talented young
player who are already kind of ready to give up.
Sometimes talent just s ain't it where they'll go. All right,
Look he's struggling right now. We're not winning, but you
know what we like to do. We believe in his leadership.
He'll be all right eventually. When you start getting guys
ready to do this already, Rob, we're not even we're
what a little over halfway through the season. To me,
(04:52):
that screams that there's something more than just getting sacked.
There's something more than offense not scoring. To me, this
might also scream something to leadership, something to locker room issues.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I totally disagree. I think this is what teams do.
They panic. This is the third number one overall pick
that's had a coaching change in their first year. This
happens often because there's an adjustment that has to be made,
and you can't listen to just players a handful of
players in the locker room because it's not a popularity contest.
(05:26):
That's why you have a GM, that's why you have
a coach, that's why you have other people. It just
can't be because you like somebody or if we all
work with people that we don't all like or feel
like we have a connection or a vibe with, but
it doesn't mean that they can't do their job. And
I think this is where people get caught up in it.
(05:48):
We talk about it all the time. It's not just
about feelings and whether or not he's cool or I
want to hang out with him or he talks to
me or whatever. It is all different. And if you're winning,
none of that ever comes up. Nobody would ever talk
about those things because it's only when you lose that
(06:10):
you could try to find a rhyme or reason why.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Uh and and and.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think that's what you have to be careful of
because losing brings out where people are ready to throw
the blame on somebody or try to figure out, Uh,
it's because he painted his nails in college, just because
you know, like all these other reasons other than maybe
a he's a rookie learning how to play in the
(06:36):
nfl B. They have a terrible offensive line. Senior offensive
coordinator is not great. There's a lot of reasons, and
I'm not exolving him or saying he's not to blame
or he doesn't have to play better.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
But I saw some moments there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is not a season long where he couldn't get
anything going. And that's what I What happened to that
three weeks ago? What would have happened if they won
that game against Washington on the road right like that
would change your season, your perspective. I doubt you would
be hearing from veterans talk about, oh, we need to
(07:14):
make a change or put somebody else in. I've seen this.
I've been covering this leak since nineteen eighty seven. You
gotta be careful. It's not a popularity contest. It's a
talent driven business. If they tell you that after eight
nine games that he can't play, I tell you that
I don't buy into that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Can he play better? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Do I want to wait and see a little more
before I make a decision on where he is.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Absolutely, But I think this is a rush to judgment.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
They're absolutely not gonna get rid of him. I mean,
they did too much to get somebody like him. They
gave up to get him in this position to get him.
And I think he's too talented, just pure ability, pure
raw talent, seeing enough to know this guy because.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Say Daniel Jones, who I knew, Like, I'm like, I
don't see anything here.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
He'll go from the best prospect quote unquote since Andrew
Luck to now he's an issue. And again, this is
the problem when you have an organization that doesn't necessarily
have an identity and still trying to figure this thing out.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
They've got some talent around him. You got DJ Moore, you.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Got some backs, they got some they brought in an
offensive coordinator specifically for him, which obviously didn't work out already.
So I don't know, maybe they had some issues because
this it isn't as it's some long run thing where
they've had two or three years to figure this thing out.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
They haven't.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
But offense has been putrid over the last several this
losing streak that they're on, Uh, they have not looked
right at all.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
He's got sacked a crazy amount of times.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And so it's.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
On the offensive line as well, out and out and
again when you look at some of these numbers of
how long he's holding the ball, he's holding the ball
longer than any other quarterback. He did that, and he's
second in all of college last year. But again, he
got to get away with it because he was just
that good because the talent gaps between SC versus some
of those schools they play.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Are that wide.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
When you're in the pros, it's a few plays here
or there that separates you from the teams that you're
competing against.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
When you're in the pros, it's a few player or two.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Maybe you have one or two more talented players than
you have, and that's really the difference. So I think
he is now adjusting to and going to have to
I'm in a bad situation offensive line wise. I'm gonna
have to also help them by trying to be in rhythm,
trying to be in sync, trying to be a part
of what we do when we design these five star
five step dropbacks, five to seven step dropbacks, being sync
(09:40):
big on time. But absolutely, he is not going anywhere,
and these guys need to get over that. He's the
number one pick. He is the heralded guy that they
were clamoring for.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
They got him. They just got to figure out a
way to make this thing work.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
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Speaker 1 (10:02):
And if you're watching NBA basketball, we got the TV's
on in the studio and you can see all the
games and the floors for this up. NBA Cup is
what they're calling it, right, the NBA Cup, Yes, rob G,
the NBA Cup? Is this bogus? Is this the same
thing as what the what do they call it?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Last year?
Speaker 6 (10:22):
The in season twin season tournament? Season tournament? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And and let me tell you something, Oh what you
about to tell us? Rob This is the biggest fraud going. Okay, Please,
people do not buy into this. They need to ask
people players, give them incentives to play.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
They're making millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Can you please play in November and make like it matters.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Let me tell you how much this doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I got Darvin ham online one and he won the
first ever in season tournament and they hung a damn
banner at the arena downtown in La.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
What do they call it now? The uh?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I think it's We're sitting at crypto Curt Crypto all right,
and guess what that got him That in two seventy five,
got him on the New York City subway.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
You ain't been in a minute.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I mean really, like, what is the floors are different?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's a regular season games tournament. This is the worst
thing at This is your legacy, Adam Silver.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
He can't got to be worse than this. This is awful.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know how you want to make the games more
uh important and make people want to watch them this
time of the year, don't put half in freaking more
than half of the league in the playoffs. Make them
actually have to earn it. Make the games matter. When
you put sixteen of the thirty teams in, You've already
told us that the regular.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Season means nothing. Come on, man's stopping.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Stop dressing up a pig and telling us that it's cute,
cause it ain't cute. It's another regular season game with
an ugly basketball floor that they put on for this
to try to sell this as something that I should
care about. It didn't save Darvin Ham. Take that damn
banner down, burn it, Do whatever you have to do,
(12:21):
because it doesn't mean Jack.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
First off, I'm concerned about you.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I mean, you had about another ten seconds, you're gonna
pass out.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I seen your face getting flush. Your bain's coming out
the forehead. Hey, Alex, you was about to have to
perform CPR. My man, he was getting turned into Rob Fox,
Red Fox's nephew out there.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
And I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I don't buy mouth to mouth from Alex, just no tongue.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Okay, he was about to have to give you mouth
to mouth, teach the baby oil or whatever was needed
to make sure you live.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
All right, now, let me get into this first of all, bah.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Humbu, tis the season for you to turn into Scrooge micking.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Make fun anything fun. You want to buy a humbug.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Nobody is acting like this is replacing the NBA finals.
Nobody's replacing the NBA playoffs. This is simply something fun
for the NBA to do to get fans engaged, get
players engaged. Early season, where most of our attention is
in what football. This starts to get knee deep into
when football matters and everybody's involved, and they're just saying, hey,
(13:24):
let's sprinkle a little something out there. They get guys
in the engaged, get the fans watching, and put in.
Last season ended up being fun, something rob I want
you to embrace just fun. Nobody was saying it was
life changing. Nobody say banner rup that's not fun and
trying to sell you like it something special. You didn't
(13:45):
say Dormenham he won the tournament because important thing fun
soccer does this football whatever.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
You don't need soccer.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I don't care what soccer doctor. But this is something
they're embracing. So the NFL had Sunday on lock for years.
Then they say let's go to Monday. Then they say
let's go to Thursday. Then they got even Friday night
postseason against Like every league tries different things. They try
new rules, they try a new games.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They don't have a season tournament to say that if
you win a game on this Sunday, we're gonna give
you a banner and a trophy.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Come on back the banner.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Don't be so naive and you you just like hook
line and sinker whatever they throw to you, you brace.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Now, tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Something you haven't embraced in the NBA, because all they
do is it's the National Gimmicks League.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's always a gimmick.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Stop messing with Stop messing with the fabric of the
game of the tradition stopping. Why do we need to
make people play hard and offer them an incentive during
the regular season. We just started the season. What tournament?
The season just started six or four weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
My god, look look.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
At look So things can become things right, Summer League
became a cool thing. Everybody goes hang out in Vegas
because the Summer League has become the hot spot to
be during the summer, and people go out there. They
make their little time around it all. Some new players
will go and watch. Nobody's saying this is the end
all be all, and I don't necessarily need it.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
If it went away, I wouldn't think twice. But it's something.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
They're trying to do, trying to have to add a
little fun, add a little spark, and to be honest
with you, they't mess around at work. Last year, people
were into it. Obviously, you got a marquee franchise and
the Lakers being in it, and it ended up being fun.
You had a great competitive game. Folks were excited about it,
and then they moved on and got back to the
regular season.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
So this is something working.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Most people say, Man, the NBA don't even start to Christmas,
so they're trying to say, how can we get something
to happen before that? How can we get people engaged
before that? And this was their idea. Keep trying to
sell you a whole new coat when it's the same
coat with a different can it happens. People try to market,
people try to find a new way to sell their product.
And this is the NBA doing nothing, doing the same.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
You don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You just how about you make it harder to make
the playoffs. Okay, so if you make it harder, then
you gotta play hard in November and December in games
that matter. That's what you don't get is that everybody
you're already now with the playing tournament right at the
end the play in Now twenty of the thirty teams
(16:16):
get to make the playoffs. They have some sort of playoffs.
So you're playing a whole season to eliminate ten teams.
You might as well just let everybody in and have
a single game elimination.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
If that's all you're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The incentive should be to play hard that if you
lose a game that matters in November, it might hurt
you from getting in the playoffs. That's how you make
the games important. That's how you make people care and
not take a night off and say I don't want
to play in mid November the Pistons on a game
in Detroit because it doesn't matter down the road.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
That's all I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Saying is there's a way to make all the games
count and make them better.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I think I get what you're saying, but I don't
think it's all about the games aren't important for the players.
I think it's also something again to get more engagement
and and you know, get people.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
You tell me, if.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
They already have six teams on each conference, that makes
makes the playoffs, right, they're not going back.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
But that's what I'm trying. What I'm saying, they're going
forward from four to twelve.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
No, but they got twenty teams now that participate, is
what I'm saying. So the more teams you put in
the postseason, the more you water down.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
But not that you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
They're not going back round, I know, but you keep
watering down the product, is what I'm That's why people
don't engage, That's why people don't tune in until after
the football season is over, because you've made it to
the games early in the season don't matter, and what
the issue with that is, I would argue the issue
with that has come from when you had low management,
when the issue was only thing I cares about.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I care about is trying to win the championship.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
So therefore I'm gonna load managed player X and Y,
because ultimately all that matters is getting into the playoffs,
get into the finals.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
So therefore, sit out tonight, sit.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Off that you got a little ache in your ankles,
sit out because all that matters is winning the championship,
not just going out there competing for eighty two games.
The little management is more responsible and the idea of
the only thing that.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Matters is final. So I gotta keep everybody safe, keep
everybody hard. I don't want to get aybody hurt.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
That matters mess up the league more than anything in
the last few years because everybody starts sitting out.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Guys, no, you're concerned about that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I know that that's an issue, and I'm not gonna
discount it or say that that's not an issue. But
it still comes down to with the play in and
twenty teams now available or possibly can make the season
if they just went by the old eight teams making it.
The last couple of years, the Lakers weren't even made it.
They were in the playing tournament, they wouldn't even have
(18:43):
made it. I mean, like, it's ridiculous that ten teams
in each conference, twenty out of thirty are in some
sort of playoffs. Like you're what you're doing is you're
making the games now not mean anything thing because you
can always still get in by the play in is
what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Listen, the peerst to me is actually I, you know,
whatever it was three four or five years ago, whenever
the playing started, the peers of me didn't need that
because also I don't like that if you're a seven seed,
always like I gotta fight for my you know, I
made I'm top seven, let alone top eight, and I
gotta fight for my spot.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
So I wasn't a fan of it.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
But one of the things I think that's happened is
this is mess around and work. People have some mess
around them in engage. You've had some compelling storylines in
these playings towards the end of the season, and it
almost works that you have teams still playing with seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
Seas don't deserve to make the playoffs. They don't deserve it,
though they got a shot. They haven't played all year.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'm telling you the end season tournament, the NBA what
do they call it? The NBA what what are they
calling it now? The NBA, the NBA Cup Cup, the
NBA Cup. I'm telling you it's it's fishy and if
I put my finger on it, I'd have to wash it.
That's how bad it is. I'm just not into the games.
(20:02):
I'm not into this. Do you don't have to dress
this up? Make people have to earn their way. Make
the games in November and December matter because the fewer
teams you have getting the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
You can't take a night off. You see what I'm
saying as a player, No, you can't.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
You can't wrest people paces off the tube. Ain't no
going back. They're not gonna go back from eight.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Maybe they'll get rid of the playing one day, but
they're never gonna go backwards. So that the idea is, now,
how do we get people engaged? And it worked. People
were engaged in the play and the engagement literally social
media wise and from viewership was absolutely crazy. So people
were involved, and people, I mean engaged, people enjoyed. It
ended up being fun. I don't think it was a
(20:45):
life legacy. Nobody's saying put this on my resume. This
was and but that was something.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
They hung a banner. They ain't had a better.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
But I'm talking about like playing like no one is
saying I'm this, I'm this, I'm this, and oh I'm
the you know in Cup winner.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yes it is Lebron.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Now he has the n season Tournament battery.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
That's the very last day on his resumes.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
It's Finals, MVPs, All Star, All NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Blah blah blah bla blaw a bonus. Didn't you get
a bonus for winning the championship?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And they ain't mad about getting no money. They gonna
get the bonus.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Man, it's embarrassing, totally embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Behind It's okay for you to like something new. I
promise you it won't hurt you. Pretend it's the new
Gucci drop of a hoodie. You love that you can
love it in season tournament it ended up being fun.
Are the I'm sorry, the NBA Cup the uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Gucci is original and old school, so it works.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
These guys are millionaires Gucci don't who don't want to,
who don't want to play during the season, making.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Then I don't want to see you in any Gucci
drip that is current and they trying to be for rappers. Okay,
next time you come in with some of that new
rapper Ucci drip, I'm a ROAs you talking about having
the old Gucci. This is crazy. I don't want to
What are you, young poo sisty? What are you young thug?
I'm going off on you the next time you wear it?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I am.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
I only want you in nineteen seventies Gucci.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
No, I've been I've been wearing Gucci my whole life,
I think, and keep wearing old guc There we go,
eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I know you're with me and not with kel KELB.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
They enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I know you're not because this is terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
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Speaker 5 (22:39):
We got the NBA kind of the the Rematcher, if
you would, not the Rematch, but the return home of
Clay Thompson going back to the Warriors, where, of course
he spent so many years, winning a bunch of rings
and being in some wonderful games and NBA finals. Now
with the Mavericks, they're being their sharpshooter, Rob. I know,
(23:00):
all right, you got some thoughts about this.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
If I was in San Francisco tonight and they announced
that Clay Thompson, you know, with the Dallas Mavericks, they
announced him, and if I was writing a column in
San Francisco, my column would read, stand up and boo,
Clay Thompson.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, I know, we hope you win four championships. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
But what this guy did at the end is unforgivable.
And what I'm gonna say is, why in the world
would Clay Thompson not want to retire a Golden State Warrior,
be with Steph, be with Draymond for the entire run,
(23:52):
and instead he let his ego get in a way.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
The Warriors were very good to him.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
He was hurt twice with two May Your injuries, and
he made his money. In fact, Kelvin, here's why Warrior
fans should be mad at him. He got offered a
contract before the season last year, which was two years,
forty eight million. Okay, this is before the twenty twenty
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three twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
This summer he.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Signs a three year deal for just fifty million dollars,
so another whole year and two million dollars more.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
That's because he did it because of spite.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Sometimes you need to look at your legacy, look where
you fit in. They stood by your side when he
had those major injuries, and he's not the same player.
You can't blame that on the Warriors. They didn't throw
you out and say, no, man, here's five million dollars,
take it or leave it. They offered him more money
(24:59):
than he's getting now to go play for Dallas. Why
do that to your legacy, that team's legacy and the
idea that all three of them could have played their
careers there and retired together having something very special. He
did it for no reason, the Dallas Mavericks. Really, why
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would you care about the Dallas Mavericks. They're bumps in
a family. Things don't go right, you have each other's back.
He didn't play well. How about that stretch where he
got bent, He couldn't make any shots. Did the Warriors
totally say get out of here.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
We're gonna release you.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
No. Sometimes sometimes in life you're not the same, but
there is something about staying together.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I always say this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I think Tom brady money mistake leaving the Patriots. I
love that Derek Jeter played all twenty years with the Yankees.
One team. He could have gone and played for the
Flora the Miami Marlins at the end of his career.
He could have played another year or two, put on
a different uniform. I think Clay Thompson made a big mistake.
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And if I was in the arena in San Francisco,
what is it the Chase Center, I'd be standing up
and booing tonight.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
All right, So I want to work backwards. Let's start backwards.
Let's start with the booing tonight.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Stop it. Rob Ain't nobody listening to you. You don't
mean that first.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Sure he ain't getting bowed number one because of what
you just said. This is family, and family knows. Sometimes
you talk out of pocket, Sometimes you have a moment.
Sometimes you absolutely got beside yourself. And he deserves that applause.
He deserves being a fighter, being fought back from those injuries.
Be a part of this rebuild of this team from
what they used to be, whether it was the eighth
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nine version, whether it was the run TMC and building
up what now has been one of the great dynasties
of the NBA. Where I agree is Clay Thompson felt
himself way more than he should have. And this is
where Clay started to have some issues. Number One s
Clay started to get preoccupied with his legacy in the
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middle of his career, in the middle of a run,
in the middle of dog we trying to continue to
win as many rings as possible.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Remember Rob, He.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Started to talking about man they disrespected me. I ain't
top seventy five players of all time. First of all,
you're not, and I love you, but you're not. If
guys like Dwight Howard, if guys like Kyrie didn't make it,
you don't make the top seventy five Clay. But he
started caring about things that didn't matter top seventy five
players every time he got into it with some young
rising star four rings, four rings, four rings, to the
(27:44):
point where even he admitted, I'm getting beside. That's just
a young man feeling himself having a good game. I
probably shouldn't do that. I'm starting to become that old
grumpy guy. I don't like he said that he lost
sight of what mattered. What made this team great is
starting from their best player, Steph Curry, being selfless. Kevin
Durant comes, Hey, I'll take a back seat. Four minute
all right, Yeah, yeah, no choice though. Oh Kevin Drant's
(28:06):
a better player. But what I mean is be ingratiated him.
He brought him in be a part of this. What
makes this team great is that they have unity. What
made this team great was they checked their ego at
the door, and that's what made this team spectacular. And
of all the people, kind of the most quiet one,
you thought, Clay started to become the disgruntled one, always
talking about this. I'm not playing I should be starting again.
(28:27):
Four rains, top seventy five players. People forgot about me,
And a lot of that came from him being hurt
with all those injuries and him realizing subconsciously or to
himself privately, I know I'm not the player I once
was and I know I never will be. And I
think he battled that, and I can understand that we
all had to battle some things in our life. And
I think that was tough for him. But Clay did
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lose sight. Clay wanted to be one of the guys,
wanted to be a max contract for wherever he was,
and that's not what theor way he was anymore. He
lost sight of that and forgot in order to keep
going on this run, I'm gonna have to sacrifice. We've
all had to sacrifice as a part of this.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
And he lost it.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
And so that's why he is where he is. And
he wanted more time. He wanted one more minutes. And
the Mavericks, I think they'll be all fine eventually, because
eventually it.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Was a rap like meaning the writings on the wall.
I can't play. I'm not gonna play with them anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Let me go somewhere else where they value me and
I can get some more playing time and be a
part of a team that was just in the NBA finals.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
That was his reasoning for going there. But it didn't.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
And well, you know, he absolutely is not getting bowed.
He's absolutely gonna have the house going crazy for him.
He's gonna shed a tear. He absolutely is a part
of that Splash Brother movement and he means so much there.
But it ended bad because I think he lost sight
of who he was and what that team was about.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
And he just got.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Reason enough three, which that's reason enough to Boo, is
that he did lose sight. He lost sight of what
that whole thing was supposed to be. And those guys
nobody thought when those guys got together that they were
gonna be able to do what they were able to do.
And he got too big, his head got too big.
He decided that he was bigger than that group. That
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he know it's about him, despite two major injuries, despite
him not shooting well, that he still deserved to get
cashed out. What nobody just castes you out because they
like you. You gotta put you gotta have production, you
gotta play well, I mean side of that, that's selfish
this And you so also look at your legacy taking
(30:34):
going to Dallas and giving up what you have put
together with with a group or trio that you might
not see again. Remember Draymond Green's a second round pick,
and you guys were able to put together something special
with that backcourt and to go to Dallas and then
you know, in the same conference with a chance to
(30:56):
try to get some revenge against against washed against the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
How could a Warriors fan feel good about that? That's
what I'm saying is he's trying.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
To do that. I think he be the Warriors.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I think time Rob like meaning, No, most stories don't
end perfectly. Most stories don't end like if Tom Brady
the way left him and Bill Belichick now did.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
He walked out of there twenty years with just a yankee?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
And that's an anomaly. Michael Jordan was a wizard like
I was. Mistake.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
What I'm saying, I'm not denying the mistake. What I'm
saying is most most things don't happen perfectly. That doesn't
mean I have to boo you know, I'm booing you
after your day? Bring you in, We cheer, we clap
after that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
The rest of the game ready cheered him, They gave
him parades, they did all of that.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
What more do you want? You want more? You did
it already first time back. He's coming back with cheering.
Rob g one day you're gonna leave, and ain't he
gonna boom booing you in the street. Rob, he gonna
be out here booing you, pooh, pulling you because you
had to go do whatever you felt was best for
(32:01):
you and your family. See, I take wills to this, Rob,
Rob take notes.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So if Robe when he interviewed at that other station,
I let him know, and Rob g stained. He turned
it down because he knew what he's gonna have to
feel my wrath.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
You see how it is, Alex Man and you, Hey Man,
I just think it's just best for me in my life.
Right now, you're gonna be walking around Alix and go
get your sea mass Boo, Rob gonna be booing you
just you wanna get your sea mole. You're gonna be
like all that time we spent building something. See what
I mean? It be the ones justice to you. Just
just get in here. And from the standpoint Clay is selfish, I.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Don't think Clay's selfish. What I think Clay selfish of
him would have been to stay in Golden State an
above market deal, knowing he didn't deserve it and that
he was stealing money from Golden State like he had
been for two years before that with the a cl
and the Achilles.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Selfish is breaking up something that you don't have to
a couple of years left. You could have an amazing
legacy that those three guys were together.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
They had this fantastic run. But the group ever stayed together. No,
but I wish is my point, is it ever happened?
But this is the point on this was a situation.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It wasn't like they offered him a two year, ten
million dollar deal.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Okay, now that's disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
They actually offered him more money a year than he's
getting now to go join the enemy, is what I'm
trying to say to you.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
So, if you're a Warriors fan, he's the enemy.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
He's the one trying to get to the finals where
you're the Warriors trying to get to the finals.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
He's in your way.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Why would you make him feel good and warm and
fuzzy and feel good about it?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
And you're gonna make them coming afterwards.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
They're gonna boo him after the first ginning you all.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
By the way, it was reported earlier tonight that Steph
Curry was supposed to address the home crowd fans before
the game in honor of Clay's return, and him and
Clay spoke the night before and they determined that was
not the best course of action.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes, so he will not be speaking there you.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Go, so come in, get your cheer. That's why Clay
knows the deal. He said, Steph, please don't don't. They're
gonna boom me. Don't do it, Steph, don't do it.
He ain't booing him.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Ain't nobody believing that they're gonna boo him after that
first little initial reaction, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
If he tell me touch the ball, I boom every
time he missed the three, I cheer, they might do that.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
That's a possibility. But the idea of boring him right
after bat ain't happening. He built too much. He built
from the scratch. Nobody knew, who know Klay Thompson was.
Nobody knew you know, we all knew step but nobody
thought this highly a step that he become a top
all time player Draymond the second round.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Thank Steve Kirk, first time coach man.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
They built something there and ain't no way he's gonna
boo that and hate the man for that.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Again.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
He got beside himself, Clay. I want him to be
chatting oh for ten, oh for ten.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
That was his last game with the Warriors, Oh for ten,
Hell for ten?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
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Harker, world famous show wadal and Sylvie ESPN forever two
of the most respected members of the media in that area.
So Sylvie put out a tweet about an hour after
the news broke that Shane Waldron was being fired as
the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And in it he said two things.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
One that several Bears players went to Iberflus and GM
Ryan Poles and said, Hey, it's not working with Waldron.
We gotta move on, replace him, maybe not fire him,
do whatever you gotta do. He's not doing a good
job with the offense. But then he added there at
the end of his tweet. Also, several Bears veterans believe
that Tyson Beagent should be starting at quarterback over Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Well for them to say Tyson, beagent who sounds more
like a good law firm Beijing and beigent, you know,
or a lottery detergent or something. I mean, that just
shows you how bad things are going right now in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Win again.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Just maybe three four weeks ago, we were all feeling like,
all right, maybe this team might be better than we thought.
Maybe this team, you know, can you mess around and
contend to the NFC North or at least at least
make some noise in the NFC and maybe be one
of those teams sneaks into a wild car.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
They lost a game that was devastating to them. That
and that was the defense. That was the defense giving up.
If you remember, Caleb led them down yep to the
go ahead score and then remember like that's how you
see changes.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
They all of a sudden give up some points.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
And they didn't they didn't have a massive offensive outputting
that pool game, but chance to win.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well, he led them down.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
They were behind the whole game, and they actually took
the lead and then came the hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Which was just an awful play by the d Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I mean, you got guys, but obviously we know what happened,
and you and little to your point, little things like
that can fracture already fragile team that's just trying to
hold it together. Right, You got defensive players talking smack
with the crowd during the play, not paying attention on
a Hail Mary, and it seems like their their season
is gone. They need some hail Mary, some prayers right now.
Since then, but one of the things that you heard
(02:42):
about Caleb Williams in college, especially here being in local
sc usc and us here being here in LA, was
that as magnificent as he is, the one criticism this
is during his Heisman campaign and especially the next year,
last year twenty twenty three, was that maybe just maybe
a couple of things rob And this is where I
(03:02):
feel like it leads to the second point will be
where I think it leads to what you hear from
some of the veterans on this team. One is that
he holds the ball too long. He's been used to
that because he's been better than everybody in high school,
better than everybody in college. I can do this, I
can make these superman like plays. When you start to
look at some of his numbers, now it starts to
resemble that this is what he believes He's thirty second
(03:24):
in completion percentage fifty five point five percent yards per attempt.
At this low, he's at four point nine. He's sacked
eighteen times, including nine just this past previous game. He's
tied for thirty first and passing touchdowns with zero rob
and thirtieth in total QBR at twenty one point two
during this losing street, specifically that he's been on this
(03:47):
losing streak. All these numbers are for that. So you
look at him holding the ball. You look at him
all of a sudden, holding the ball too much in college,
and this is what they're saying he does. He tries
to Oh, and you can get away with this in
college because you're just better than everybody, and those those
separations are much larger between your receiver and the defensive
backs in college because you're, as seen, you're playing some
(04:08):
schools that aren't that great with a bunch of guys
who are gonna off become sales insurance agents, not in
the NFL with pros who were good. The second half
of this is you remember hearing little weird things about
like he doesn't necessarily maybe not get along with the guys.
He's kind of a different guys. He's a little bit
aloof and he's kind of a different cat when it
comes to leadership ability. And to me, that might scream
(04:31):
loud too when you have veterans with a talented young
player who are already kind of ready to give up.
Sometimes talent just s ain't it where they'll go. All right,
Look he's struggling right now. We're not winning, but you
know what we like to do. We believe in his leadership.
He'll be all right eventually. When you start getting guys
ready to do this already, Rob, we're not even we're
what a little over halfway through the season. To me,
(04:52):
that screams that there's something more than just getting sacked.
There's something more than offense not scoring. To me, this
might also scream something to leadership, something to locker room issues.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I totally disagree. I think this is what teams do.
They panic. This is the third number one overall pick
that's had a coaching change in their first year. This
happens often because there's an adjustment that has to be made,
and you can't listen to just players a handful of
players in the locker room because it's not a popularity contest.
(05:26):
That's why you have a GM, that's why you have
a coach, that's why you have other people. It just
can't be because you like somebody or if we all
work with people that we don't all like or feel
like we have a connection or a vibe with, but
it doesn't mean that they can't do their job. And
I think this is where people get caught up in it.
(05:48):
We talk about it all the time. It's not just
about feelings and whether or not he's cool or I
want to hang out with him or he talks to
me or whatever. It is all different. And if you're winning,
none of that ever comes up. Nobody would ever talk
about those things because it's only when you lose that
(06:10):
you could try to find a rhyme or reason why.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Uh and and and.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think that's what you have to be careful of
because losing brings out where people are ready to throw
the blame on somebody or try to figure out, Uh,
it's because he painted his nails in college, just because
you know, like all these other reasons other than maybe
a he's a rookie learning how to play in the
(06:36):
nfl B. They have a terrible offensive line. Senior offensive
coordinator is not great. There's a lot of reasons, and
I'm not exolving him or saying he's not to blame
or he doesn't have to play better.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
But I saw some moments there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is not a season long where he couldn't get
anything going. And that's what I What happened to that
three weeks ago? What would have happened if they won
that game against Washington on the road right like that
would change your season, your perspective. I doubt you would
be hearing from veterans talk about, oh, we need to
(07:14):
make a change or put somebody else in. I've seen this.
I've been covering this leak since nineteen eighty seven. You
gotta be careful. It's not a popularity contest. It's a
talent driven business. If they tell you that after eight
nine games that he can't play, I tell you that
I don't buy into that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Can he play better? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Do I want to wait and see a little more
before I make a decision on where he is.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Absolutely, But I think this is a rush to judgment.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
They're absolutely not gonna get rid of him. I mean,
they did too much to get somebody like him. They
gave up to get him in this position to get him.
And I think he's too talented, just pure ability, pure
raw talent, seeing enough to know this guy because.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Say Daniel Jones, who I knew, Like, I'm like, I
don't see anything here.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
He'll go from the best prospect quote unquote since Andrew
Luck to now he's an issue. And again, this is
the problem when you have an organization that doesn't necessarily
have an identity and still trying to figure this thing out.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
They've got some talent around him. You got DJ Moore, you.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Got some backs, they got some they brought in an
offensive coordinator specifically for him, which obviously didn't work out already.
So I don't know, maybe they had some issues because
this it isn't as it's some long run thing where
they've had two or three years to figure this thing out.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
They haven't.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
But offense has been putrid over the last several this
losing streak that they're on, Uh, they have not looked
right at all.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
He's got sacked a crazy amount of times.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And so it's.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
On the offensive line as well, out and out and
again when you look at some of these numbers of
how long he's holding the ball, he's holding the ball
longer than any other quarterback. He did that, and he's
second in all of college last year. But again, he
got to get away with it because he was just
that good because the talent gaps between SC versus some
of those schools they play.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Are that wide.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
When you're in the pros, it's a few plays here
or there that separates you from the teams that you're
competing against.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
When you're in the pros, it's a few player or two.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Maybe you have one or two more talented players than
you have, and that's really the difference. So I think
he is now adjusting to and going to have to
I'm in a bad situation offensive line wise. I'm gonna
have to also help them by trying to be in rhythm,
trying to be in sync, trying to be a part
of what we do when we design these five star
five step dropbacks, five to seven step dropbacks, being sync
(09:40):
big on time. But absolutely, he is not going anywhere,
and these guys need to get over that. He's the
number one pick. He is the heralded guy that they
were clamoring for.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
They got him. They just got to figure out a
way to make this thing work.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
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Speaker 1 (10:02):
And if you're watching NBA basketball, we got the TV's
on in the studio and you can see all the
games and the floors for this up. NBA Cup is
what they're calling it, right, the NBA Cup, Yes, rob G,
the NBA Cup? Is this bogus? Is this the same
thing as what the what do they call it?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Last year?
Speaker 6 (10:22):
The in season twin season tournament? Season tournament? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And and let me tell you something, Oh what you
about to tell us? Rob This is the biggest fraud going. Okay, Please,
people do not buy into this. They need to ask
people players, give them incentives to play.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
They're making millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Can you please play in November and make like it matters.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Let me tell you how much this doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I got Darvin ham online one and he won the
first ever in season tournament and they hung a damn
banner at the arena downtown in La.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
What do they call it now? The uh?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I think it's We're sitting at crypto Curt Crypto all right,
and guess what that got him That in two seventy five,
got him on the New York City subway.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
You ain't been in a minute.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I mean really, like, what is the floors are different?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's a regular season games tournament. This is the worst
thing at This is your legacy, Adam Silver.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
He can't got to be worse than this. This is awful.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know how you want to make the games more
uh important and make people want to watch them this
time of the year, don't put half in freaking more
than half of the league in the playoffs. Make them
actually have to earn it. Make the games matter. When
you put sixteen of the thirty teams in, You've already
told us that the regular.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Season means nothing. Come on, man's stopping.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Stop dressing up a pig and telling us that it's cute,
cause it ain't cute. It's another regular season game with
an ugly basketball floor that they put on for this
to try to sell this as something that I should
care about. It didn't save Darvin Ham. Take that damn
banner down, burn it, Do whatever you have to do,
(12:21):
because it doesn't mean Jack.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
First off, I'm concerned about you.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I mean, you had about another ten seconds, you're gonna
pass out.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I seen your face getting flush. Your bain's coming out
the forehead. Hey, Alex, you was about to have to
perform CPR. My man, he was getting turned into Rob Fox,
Red Fox's nephew out there.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
And I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I don't buy mouth to mouth from Alex, just no tongue.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Okay, he was about to have to give you mouth
to mouth, teach the baby oil or whatever was needed
to make sure you live.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
All right, now, let me get into this first of all, bah.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Humbu, tis the season for you to turn into Scrooge micking.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Make fun anything fun. You want to buy a humbug.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Nobody is acting like this is replacing the NBA finals.
Nobody's replacing the NBA playoffs. This is simply something fun
for the NBA to do to get fans engaged, get
players engaged. Early season, where most of our attention is
in what football. This starts to get knee deep into
when football matters and everybody's involved, and they're just saying, hey,
(13:24):
let's sprinkle a little something out there. They get guys
in the engaged, get the fans watching, and put in.
Last season ended up being fun, something rob I want
you to embrace just fun. Nobody was saying it was
life changing. Nobody say banner rup that's not fun and
trying to sell you like it something special. You didn't
(13:45):
say Dormenham he won the tournament because important thing fun
soccer does this football whatever.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
You don't need soccer.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I don't care what soccer doctor. But this is something
they're embracing. So the NFL had Sunday on lock for years.
Then they say let's go to Monday. Then they say
let's go to Thursday. Then they got even Friday night
postseason against Like every league tries different things. They try
new rules, they try a new games.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They don't have a season tournament to say that if
you win a game on this Sunday, we're gonna give
you a banner and a trophy.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Come on back the banner.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Don't be so naive and you you just like hook
line and sinker whatever they throw to you, you brace.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Now, tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Something you haven't embraced in the NBA, because all they
do is it's the National Gimmicks League.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's always a gimmick.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Stop messing with Stop messing with the fabric of the
game of the tradition stopping. Why do we need to
make people play hard and offer them an incentive during
the regular season. We just started the season. What tournament?
The season just started six or four weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
My god, look look.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
At look So things can become things right, Summer League
became a cool thing. Everybody goes hang out in Vegas
because the Summer League has become the hot spot to
be during the summer, and people go out there. They
make their little time around it all. Some new players
will go and watch. Nobody's saying this is the end
all be all, and I don't necessarily need it.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
If it went away, I wouldn't think twice. But it's something.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
They're trying to do, trying to have to add a
little fun, add a little spark, and to be honest
with you, they't mess around at work. Last year, people
were into it. Obviously, you got a marquee franchise and
the Lakers being in it, and it ended up being fun.
You had a great competitive game. Folks were excited about it,
and then they moved on and got back to the
regular season.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
So this is something working.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Most people say, Man, the NBA don't even start to Christmas,
so they're trying to say, how can we get something
to happen before that? How can we get people engaged
before that? And this was their idea. Keep trying to
sell you a whole new coat when it's the same
coat with a different can it happens. People try to market,
people try to find a new way to sell their product.
And this is the NBA doing nothing, doing the same.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
You don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You just how about you make it harder to make
the playoffs. Okay, so if you make it harder, then
you gotta play hard in November and December in games
that matter. That's what you don't get is that everybody
you're already now with the playing tournament right at the
end the play in Now twenty of the thirty teams
(16:16):
get to make the playoffs. They have some sort of playoffs.
So you're playing a whole season to eliminate ten teams.
You might as well just let everybody in and have
a single game elimination.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
If that's all you're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The incentive should be to play hard that if you
lose a game that matters in November, it might hurt
you from getting in the playoffs. That's how you make
the games important. That's how you make people care and
not take a night off and say I don't want
to play in mid November the Pistons on a game
in Detroit because it doesn't matter down the road.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
That's all I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Saying is there's a way to make all the games
count and make them better.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I think I get what you're saying, but I don't
think it's all about the games aren't important for the players.
I think it's also something again to get more engagement
and and you know, get people.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
You tell me, if.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
They already have six teams on each conference, that makes
makes the playoffs, right, they're not going back.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
But that's what I'm trying. What I'm saying, they're going
forward from four to twelve.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
No, but they got twenty teams now that participate, is
what I'm saying. So the more teams you put in
the postseason, the more you water down.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
But not that you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
They're not going back round, I know, but you keep
watering down the product, is what I'm That's why people
don't engage, That's why people don't tune in until after
the football season is over, because you've made it to
the games early in the season don't matter, and what
the issue with that is, I would argue the issue
with that has come from when you had low management,
when the issue was only thing I cares about.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I care about is trying to win the championship.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
So therefore I'm gonna load managed player X and Y,
because ultimately all that matters is getting into the playoffs,
get into the finals.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
So therefore, sit out tonight, sit.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Off that you got a little ache in your ankles,
sit out because all that matters is winning the championship,
not just going out there competing for eighty two games.
The little management is more responsible and the idea of
the only thing that.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Matters is final. So I gotta keep everybody safe, keep
everybody hard. I don't want to get aybody hurt.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
That matters mess up the league more than anything in
the last few years because everybody starts sitting out.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Guys, no, you're concerned about that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I know that that's an issue, and I'm not gonna
discount it or say that that's not an issue. But
it still comes down to with the play in and
twenty teams now available or possibly can make the season
if they just went by the old eight teams making it.
The last couple of years, the Lakers weren't even made it.
They were in the playing tournament, they wouldn't even have
(18:43):
made it. I mean, like, it's ridiculous that ten teams
in each conference, twenty out of thirty are in some
sort of playoffs. Like you're what you're doing is you're
making the games now not mean anything thing because you
can always still get in by the play in is
what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Listen, the peerst to me is actually I, you know,
whatever it was three four or five years ago, whenever
the playing started, the peers of me didn't need that
because also I don't like that if you're a seven seed,
always like I gotta fight for my you know, I
made I'm top seven, let alone top eight, and I
gotta fight for my spot.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
So I wasn't a fan of it.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
But one of the things I think that's happened is
this is mess around and work. People have some mess
around them in engage. You've had some compelling storylines in
these playings towards the end of the season, and it
almost works that you have teams still playing with seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
Seas don't deserve to make the playoffs. They don't deserve it,
though they got a shot. They haven't played all year.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'm telling you the end season tournament, the NBA what
do they call it? The NBA what what are they
calling it now? The NBA, the NBA Cup Cup, the
NBA Cup. I'm telling you it's it's fishy and if
I put my finger on it, I'd have to wash it.
That's how bad it is. I'm just not into the games.
(20:02):
I'm not into this. Do you don't have to dress
this up? Make people have to earn their way. Make
the games in November and December matter because the fewer
teams you have getting the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
You can't take a night off. You see what I'm
saying as a player, No, you can't.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
You can't wrest people paces off the tube. Ain't no
going back. They're not gonna go back from eight.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Maybe they'll get rid of the playing one day, but
they're never gonna go backwards. So that the idea is, now,
how do we get people engaged? And it worked. People
were engaged in the play and the engagement literally social
media wise and from viewership was absolutely crazy. So people
were involved, and people, I mean engaged, people enjoyed. It
ended up being fun. I don't think it was a
(20:45):
life legacy. Nobody's saying put this on my resume. This
was and but that was something.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
They hung a banner. They ain't had a better.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
But I'm talking about like playing like no one is
saying I'm this, I'm this, I'm this, and oh I'm
the you know in Cup winner.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yes it is Lebron.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Now he has the n season Tournament battery.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
That's the very last day on his resumes.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
It's Finals, MVPs, All Star, All NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Blah blah blah bla blaw a bonus. Didn't you get
a bonus for winning the championship?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And they ain't mad about getting no money. They gonna
get the bonus.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Man, it's embarrassing, totally embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Behind It's okay for you to like something new. I
promise you it won't hurt you. Pretend it's the new
Gucci drop of a hoodie. You love that you can
love it in season tournament it ended up being fun.
Are the I'm sorry, the NBA Cup the uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Gucci is original and old school, so it works.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
These guys are millionaires Gucci don't who don't want to,
who don't want to play during the season, making.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Then I don't want to see you in any Gucci
drip that is current and they trying to be for rappers. Okay,
next time you come in with some of that new
rapper Ucci drip, I'm a ROAs you talking about having
the old Gucci. This is crazy. I don't want to
What are you, young poo sisty? What are you young thug?
I'm going off on you the next time you wear it?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I am.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
I only want you in nineteen seventies Gucci.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
No, I've been I've been wearing Gucci my whole life,
I think, and keep wearing old guc There we go,
eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I know you're with me and not with kel KELB.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
They enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I know you're not because this is terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
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Speaker 5 (22:39):
We got the NBA kind of the the Rematcher, if
you would, not the Rematch, but the return home of
Clay Thompson going back to the Warriors, where, of course
he spent so many years, winning a bunch of rings
and being in some wonderful games and NBA finals. Now
with the Mavericks, they're being their sharpshooter, Rob. I know,
(23:00):
all right, you got some thoughts about this.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
If I was in San Francisco tonight and they announced
that Clay Thompson, you know, with the Dallas Mavericks, they
announced him, and if I was writing a column in
San Francisco, my column would read, stand up and boo,
Clay Thompson.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, I know, we hope you win four championships. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
But what this guy did at the end is unforgivable.
And what I'm gonna say is, why in the world
would Clay Thompson not want to retire a Golden State Warrior,
be with Steph, be with Draymond for the entire run,
(23:52):
and instead he let his ego get in a way.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
The Warriors were very good to him.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
He was hurt twice with two May Your injuries, and
he made his money. In fact, Kelvin, here's why Warrior
fans should be mad at him. He got offered a
contract before the season last year, which was two years,
forty eight million. Okay, this is before the twenty twenty
(24:20):
three twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
This summer he.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Signs a three year deal for just fifty million dollars,
so another whole year and two million dollars more.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
That's because he did it because of spite.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Sometimes you need to look at your legacy, look where
you fit in. They stood by your side when he
had those major injuries, and he's not the same player.
You can't blame that on the Warriors. They didn't throw
you out and say, no, man, here's five million dollars,
take it or leave it. They offered him more money
(24:59):
than he's getting now to go play for Dallas. Why
do that to your legacy, that team's legacy and the
idea that all three of them could have played their
careers there and retired together having something very special. He
did it for no reason, the Dallas Mavericks. Really, why
(25:21):
would you care about the Dallas Mavericks. They're bumps in
a family. Things don't go right, you have each other's back.
He didn't play well. How about that stretch where he
got bent, He couldn't make any shots. Did the Warriors
totally say get out of here.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
We're gonna release you.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
No. Sometimes sometimes in life you're not the same, but
there is something about staying together.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I always say this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I think Tom brady money mistake leaving the Patriots. I
love that Derek Jeter played all twenty years with the Yankees.
One team. He could have gone and played for the
Flora the Miami Marlins at the end of his career.
He could have played another year or two, put on
a different uniform. I think Clay Thompson made a big mistake.
(26:16):
And if I was in the arena in San Francisco,
what is it the Chase Center, I'd be standing up
and booing tonight.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
All right, So I want to work backwards. Let's start backwards.
Let's start with the booing tonight.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Stop it. Rob Ain't nobody listening to you. You don't
mean that first.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Sure he ain't getting bowed number one because of what
you just said. This is family, and family knows. Sometimes
you talk out of pocket, Sometimes you have a moment.
Sometimes you absolutely got beside yourself. And he deserves that applause.
He deserves being a fighter, being fought back from those injuries.
Be a part of this rebuild of this team from
what they used to be, whether it was the eighth
(26:52):
nine version, whether it was the run TMC and building
up what now has been one of the great dynasties
of the NBA. Where I agree is Clay Thompson felt
himself way more than he should have. And this is
where Clay started to have some issues. Number One s
Clay started to get preoccupied with his legacy in the
(27:15):
middle of his career, in the middle of a run,
in the middle of dog we trying to continue to
win as many rings as possible.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Remember Rob, He.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Started to talking about man they disrespected me. I ain't
top seventy five players of all time. First of all,
you're not, and I love you, but you're not. If
guys like Dwight Howard, if guys like Kyrie didn't make it,
you don't make the top seventy five Clay. But he
started caring about things that didn't matter top seventy five
players every time he got into it with some young
rising star four rings, four rings, four rings, to the
(27:44):
point where even he admitted, I'm getting beside. That's just
a young man feeling himself having a good game. I
probably shouldn't do that. I'm starting to become that old
grumpy guy. I don't like he said that he lost
sight of what mattered. What made this team great is
starting from their best player, Steph Curry, being selfless. Kevin
Durant comes, Hey, I'll take a back seat. Four minute
all right, Yeah, yeah, no choice though. Oh Kevin Drant's
(28:06):
a better player. But what I mean is be ingratiated him.
He brought him in be a part of this. What
makes this team great is that they have unity. What
made this team great was they checked their ego at
the door, and that's what made this team spectacular. And
of all the people, kind of the most quiet one,
you thought, Clay started to become the disgruntled one, always
talking about this. I'm not playing I should be starting again.
(28:27):
Four rains, top seventy five players. People forgot about me,
And a lot of that came from him being hurt
with all those injuries and him realizing subconsciously or to
himself privately, I know I'm not the player I once
was and I know I never will be. And I
think he battled that, and I can understand that we
all had to battle some things in our life. And
I think that was tough for him. But Clay did
(28:49):
lose sight. Clay wanted to be one of the guys,
wanted to be a max contract for wherever he was,
and that's not what theor way he was anymore. He
lost sight of that and forgot in order to keep
going on this run, I'm gonna have to sacrifice. We've
all had to sacrifice as a part of this.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
And he lost it.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
And so that's why he is where he is. And
he wanted more time. He wanted one more minutes. And
the Mavericks, I think they'll be all fine eventually, because
eventually it.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Was a rap like meaning the writings on the wall.
I can't play. I'm not gonna play with them anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Let me go somewhere else where they value me and
I can get some more playing time and be a
part of a team that was just in the NBA finals.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
That was his reasoning for going there. But it didn't.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
And well, you know, he absolutely is not getting bowed.
He's absolutely gonna have the house going crazy for him.
He's gonna shed a tear. He absolutely is a part
of that Splash Brother movement and he means so much there.
But it ended bad because I think he lost sight
of who he was and what that team was about.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
And he just got.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Reason enough three, which that's reason enough to Boo, is
that he did lose sight. He lost sight of what
that whole thing was supposed to be. And those guys
nobody thought when those guys got together that they were
gonna be able to do what they were able to do.
And he got too big, his head got too big.
He decided that he was bigger than that group. That
(30:11):
he know it's about him, despite two major injuries, despite
him not shooting well, that he still deserved to get
cashed out. What nobody just castes you out because they
like you. You gotta put you gotta have production, you
gotta play well, I mean side of that, that's selfish
this And you so also look at your legacy taking
(30:34):
going to Dallas and giving up what you have put
together with with a group or trio that you might
not see again. Remember Draymond Green's a second round pick,
and you guys were able to put together something special
with that backcourt and to go to Dallas and then
you know, in the same conference with a chance to
(30:56):
try to get some revenge against against washed against the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
How could a Warriors fan feel good about that? That's
what I'm saying is he's trying.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
To do that. I think he be the Warriors.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I think time Rob like meaning, No, most stories don't
end perfectly. Most stories don't end like if Tom Brady
the way left him and Bill Belichick now did.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
He walked out of there twenty years with just a yankee?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
And that's an anomaly. Michael Jordan was a wizard like
I was. Mistake.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
What I'm saying, I'm not denying the mistake. What I'm
saying is most most things don't happen perfectly. That doesn't
mean I have to boo you know, I'm booing you
after your day? Bring you in, We cheer, we clap
after that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
The rest of the game ready cheered him, They gave
him parades, they did all of that.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
What more do you want? You want more? You did
it already first time back. He's coming back with cheering.
Rob g one day you're gonna leave, and ain't he
gonna boom booing you in the street. Rob, he gonna
be out here booing you, pooh, pulling you because you
had to go do whatever you felt was best for
(32:01):
you and your family. See, I take wills to this, Rob,
Rob take notes.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So if Robe when he interviewed at that other station,
I let him know, and Rob g stained. He turned
it down because he knew what he's gonna have to
feel my wrath.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
You see how it is, Alex Man and you, Hey Man,
I just think it's just best for me in my life.
Right now, you're gonna be walking around Alix and go
get your sea mass Boo, Rob gonna be booing you
just you wanna get your sea mole. You're gonna be
like all that time we spent building something. See what
I mean? It be the ones justice to you. Just
just get in here. And from the standpoint Clay is selfish, I.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Don't think Clay's selfish. What I think Clay selfish of
him would have been to stay in Golden State an
above market deal, knowing he didn't deserve it and that
he was stealing money from Golden State like he had
been for two years before that with the a cl
and the Achilles.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Selfish is breaking up something that you don't have to
a couple of years left. You could have an amazing
legacy that those three guys were together.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
They had this fantastic run. But the group ever stayed together. No,
but I wish is my point, is it ever happened?
But this is the point on this was a situation.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It wasn't like they offered him a two year, ten
million dollar deal.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Okay, now that's disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
They actually offered him more money a year than he's
getting now to go join the enemy, is what I'm
trying to say to you.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
So, if you're a Warriors fan, he's the enemy.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
He's the one trying to get to the finals where
you're the Warriors trying to get to the finals.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
He's in your way.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Why would you make him feel good and warm and
fuzzy and feel good about it?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
And you're gonna make them coming afterwards.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
They're gonna boo him after the first ginning you all.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
By the way, it was reported earlier tonight that Steph
Curry was supposed to address the home crowd fans before
the game in honor of Clay's return, and him and
Clay spoke the night before and they determined that was
not the best course of action.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes, so he will not be speaking there you.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Go, so come in, get your cheer. That's why Clay
knows the deal. He said, Steph, please don't don't. They're
gonna boom me. Don't do it, Steph, don't do it.
He ain't booing him.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Ain't nobody believing that they're gonna boo him after that
first little initial reaction, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
If he tell me touch the ball, I boom every
time he missed the three, I cheer, they might do that.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
That's a possibility. But the idea of boring him right
after bat ain't happening. He built too much. He built
from the scratch. Nobody knew, who know Klay Thompson was.
Nobody knew you know, we all knew step but nobody
thought this highly a step that he become a top
all time player Draymond the second round.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Thank Steve Kirk, first time coach man.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
They built something there and ain't no way he's gonna
boo that and hate the man for that.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Again.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
He got beside himself, Clay. I want him to be
chatting oh for ten, oh for ten.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
That was his last game with the Warriors, Oh for ten,
Hell for ten?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
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