February 10, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether or not the Kansas City Chiefs were exposed as 'frauds' during their Super Bowl blowout loss to the Philadelphia Eagles and argue whether this embarrassing Super Bowl loss was enough to eliminate Patrick Mahomes from the GOAT conversation. Plus, former NFL quarterback and FOX Sports Radio NFL analyst Shaun King swings by to tell us why it was a bad week for the NFL, what went wrong for Mahomes in the Super Bowl, why he’s hoping Jalen Hurts will finally get the respect he deserves and much more!
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
This isn't just about me picking the game.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Oh, you're just going against the cheese because you know
they're the big dogs and they're trying to repeat I mean,
three pete and.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
All that other stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
What I've been talking about about the Kansas City Chiefs
for is two years in the making. The Chiefs and Mahomes.
I've been saying this over and over and over. You
always ask me, Oh, you don't like greatness. Yeah, when
I see greatness, I will embrace it. Didn't see greatness
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with this team the last two years. And I know
they won a Super Bowl last year, and we talked
about it. They weren't a great team until they won
the Super Bowl. They were bad, you know that last year,
and they won the Super Bowl this year. I refuse
to buy in to their fifteen to two record. I
(01:22):
don't care. I kept watching the games. You guys laughed
at me. I said he turned into Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Daniel Jones would have played that poorly yesterday. And I
get the defense come in and all that, but there
were some bad throws and bad decisions by Patrick Mahomes
as well. That might have been the worst game I've seen.
And he's had two stinkers in the Super Bowl now
two where this team is lost by a score of
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seventy one to thirty one, by forty points in two.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Super Bowl losses.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
And then you guys look at me like I'm sugarn
or I'm crazy because I'd say I take Eli Manning
in a big game over.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Patrick Mahomes, and the numbers bear it out.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You remember how to fight with Trey Wingo, who tried
to tell me that he didn't see anything. Patrick's great.
Oh my god, I don't know what you're talking about.
They're winning. Winning is the great makeup. It covers up
all the flaws. That's what people don't understand, is I
(02:32):
get it sports has a short manu wins and losses,
but that doesn't mean that I can't take a deeper.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Look at what I'm watching, rob G. I'm calling you out.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
When rob G made his pick Friday, would you say,
rob G, what was the first thing out of your mouth?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
The Eagles are the better team, That's what he.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Said, and he still picked the Chiefs, right. He knew it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You knew the Eagles were a better team.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And a lot of people got lured into this, got
pulled in. Oh yeah, you know how many times I heard,
don't bet against the Chiefs. Don't were you watching? Have
you watched the last two years? Patrick Mahomes super Bowl
numbers are awful. Ten touchdowns, seven interceptions and a quarterback
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rating of eighty six point nine? Is that special? I'm
asking you real quick. That is that is not special?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
All right? So was I shocked? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I was shocked by the margin, but I wasn't shocked
that they lost. The Eagles are a way better team
and the Chiefs have been living on borrowed time for
a long time, getting by other teams, disintegrating and melting
down and making big mistakes and key moments, and they
kept winning. Man, it was so satisfying to watch them
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lose because they shouldn't have been there. They're not that good.
The last two years they haven't been that good. And
I get it. Winning super Bowls, people are just gonna
always just look and go, oh they're just win.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They just do whatever it takes.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
My god, I love it because they shouldn't be in
a special place, right three three people would have been
a special place if they lucked into it. No, because
because they're not worthy of it. That's what I'm talking about.
They really haven't played well enough to be that team
that have to win three in a row. I could
go and name teams that won three in a row
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and go, oh, Michael Jordan and oh yeah, no doubt
the Yankees and Derek g Oh yeah I could Those
teams I could get with.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I couldn't get with this team last thing. And it's
the best of all. Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I know people like think, I'm just trying to, you know,
get people worked up. Been always going against the great
and what No, what you have here is a guy
who's been covering the league.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Stop listening to shows that go against their eyes. They're
real feelings. There are too many people who just go, well,
it was the Chiefs as easy to just pick them
because they've won. Instead of looking at them, I didn't
pick the Chiefs to lose, to go against the grain.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I told you this.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
They haven't been good for two years, and somehow they've
been able to win this year.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
There was no way, no how.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
This motley cru led by Patrick Mahomes is gonna win
a super Bowl. I said it all year, true falls
all year they weren't gonna win.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You said it the two biggest games in the NFL
this year for this radio show.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I told you the Lions weren't gonna win. I told
you Golf was gonna throw three interceptions. I told you
Patrick Mahomes was gonna throw three interceptions.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I was wrong, you only had two and a fumble.
But I told you from day one and last thing,
which last thing?
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
The last? Or the second? Last? Secondard last?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Okay, I'm not always right. I'm wrong sometimes, but guess
what's that? I am right quite often, and I was
right about this fraudulent Kansas City Chiefs team. I couldn't
be happier that they didn't win a super Bowl because
they weren't worthy of this.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You almost almost First of all, Rob g let's go
to break.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
I'll just do the next segment because I just I'll
just do the next segment. Let me know, Lia, because
we Steve and Steve have to go now this season,
what's trending now with Steve?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
My gosh, stop the longest segment ever.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And you were all right until the last you had that,
you had the Rob Parker it. You are doing okay
until the last little bit. I'll just say this, There's
a lot to dissect here because you're okay.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
More time, You'll have more time, So I don't want
to say what you gotta say, but you will have
more time.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I'm gonna be cause for the time, for the sake
of this, I would rather break and come back because
I don't want to go another foux five six minutes
and then we are away out of time. But I'll
just say this, and I do want to hear from people. Yeah,
go ahead. Here's a few things. Number one, I think
where we differ is on a couple of things. And
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I think this is fundamental about some of it. Be
the Lions, where there be other teams, other conversations we
have you go to extreme of the fraud, whereas I
look at Wow, the Philadelphia Eagles were literally historic with
what they did. So to me, it's more about the
Eagles and less about the Chiefs favorite name, I'll let
you rock because the Chiefs, what I've seen all season
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is every week when you picked against them, they won.
Did they win some by the skin of their teeth? Absolutely?
Did they win some just flat out outright absolutely? But
you say the eye test. The eye test is they
keep winning, going back to the season before, they keep winning,
going to the playoffs last year, they keep winning. Josh
Allen's the MVP. They keep winning. Lamar Jackson should have
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been the MVP, yes, who they beat him? They just
keep winning. So the thing is, you say, how can
people look at this and they think all the eye tests?
It's because they literally have done nothing but win, to
the tune of, outside of sixty minutes last night, they
could have won three straight super Bowls. So it's not
crazy to go against them. It's not crazy to bet
against them because they literally have done nothing but get
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to the super Bowl pretty much in the entire Patrick Mahomes' tenure.
So to me, it's more of Wow. The Eagles came
with the historic defense that literally shut down to the
tune of two interceptions, three plus sacks in the first half,
something that has not been done to Patrick Homes. So
to me, it took a historic level from the Eagles
to beat this team that hadn't been ridiculously great the
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Chiefs as far as blowing people out, but it who
had been consistent and winning. And I think that's one
of the differences between you, n Ie, Like I see
a team that's consistently winning, and I say, wow, they
continue to have a shot at winning the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So to me, that is not fraudulent by definition.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
They literally got to the Super Bowl beating the MVP,
beating the possible MVP and Lamar Jackson and beating everybody
else in between.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So I don't look at this team as fraudulent.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I look at a team that had the nerve to
want to win three p which clearly is difficult because
nobody else has done except the championship days of the
Green Bay Packers in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So how are they fraudulent?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I don't understand that the Eagles were winning this Super Bowl, and.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You can't tell me the fraudulent when they get to
the Super Bowl. Cudulent is we end up tennis second fraudulent?
Is the La Charger hold on fraudulent? Is the Chargers fraudulent?
Is the Steelers fraudulent? Could be some other the Cowboys,
some teams that we expected more from that would be fraudulent.
A team that literally made it all the way to
the super Bowl again after making it the year before,
(10:13):
the year before, and in two years.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
A year before that, I just don't gather. Okay, they
lost what a.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Buffalo Bill's fraudulent? Let me ask you that they made
it to the super Bowl four years in a row?
They fraudulent?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, they ultimately yes, in a row. Okay, so making
it to the.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Four were out of the five that they've been in. No,
but look at the numbers. What I'm trying to tell
you is if you were really honest and really looked
at Patrick Mahomes, Yes, how do you quarterback a team
that was fifteen and two and get no, zero first
place votes for MVP.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Because the other three guys because he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Nobody's argus Patrick Mahomes the best version of himself.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's no.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We've said that ship this entire We've said this entire year.
He said it the entire year. So that wasn't the question.
The question was can he take a team that isn't
the most explosive and to me achieved by winning to
win seventeen consecutive games that were once score games. That's
why I robbed the eye test. No, they literally were
seventeen to one score games. That's not what determines it.
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What I'm trying to tell you, that's not fu.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They just lost.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Look go look at their super Bowl Patrick Mahomes and
the Chiefs go look at it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Games. No last year, then okay, Soretty great. You say no,
but maybe he's not the greatest, but you can and
now he's great, right, you might not be the greatest?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
To you great?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
They how many times the edavnentary kicked their way into
a game? That happens, meaning you don't always have the
spectacular game. Eli Manning doesn't win if for a helmet
like that's a part of when ten.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Super Bowls he has six interceptions, Patrick Mahomes is in five, right,
and he.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Has to me also the only thing that was separate conversation.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Also the worst touchdown interception racial that's a separate conversation
because in the big games.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
So if you're saying is he the goat?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
We will have that conversation eight seven seven of your teams.
It can't be fraudulent. Who consistently makes it to the
super Bowl? That literally is an oxymorphon.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No, it's not.
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Speaker 4 (12:33):
Let's get to Patrick. Let's do it all right, they suck,
It's real simple. There is no got conversation with Pat mahall.
It's over, Okay. I thought it was premature anyway, I do.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
No, not just yeah. Sorry. Somehow really bad happened on
the Who game. I bet go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I thought it was premature because he wasn't even better
than Joe Montana yet and people were ready to crow
on him.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And I'm not saying he is. He's won three Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Well, I got mad respects for Patrick Mahomes, But this
whole idea, I do I have respect, but the idea
that he was chasing Brady and if he won this one,
would you have to say that he's close to Brady
or he's going to pass Brady or could you said
you would identify or recognize him?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Uh, Brady said if he said if he gets the five,
all right, we can start having like that for real conversation.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Here's my problem with it is that, and this was
why I always said I would take Eli like, Okay,
he's got the three super Bowls, but Rob G, his
numbers in the super Bowl are atrocious, right that they
just are. So along with winning the Super Bowls, which
(13:52):
you get credit for, there's also a degree of how
well you play in those super Bowl game. Right, we're
just talking about super Bowls, and that's where he's fallen short. Right,
of all quarterbacks, Rob G, with three and three super Bowls,
what do you got for me? Give me the numbers.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
So, of all the quarterbacks have at least three Super
Bowl rings, again, it's a very short list. Patrick Mahomes
has by far the worst touchdown interception ratio number one.
Of course Tom Brady. His is twenty one to six.
Joe Montana. Actually, if you want to be really stickler,
eleven is zero.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
His is the best.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Troy Aikman five to one. Even Terry Bradch.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Who was taking heat on this show as recently his
last week nine to four Patrick Mahomes, even after two
garbage time touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And you will admit that, right those two touchdowns at
the end, those a garbage touchdown?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Oh me?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
And that was just trying to say.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Six right and ten touchdowns? Seven picks him in the
super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And his quarterback rating rob G eighty six point nine?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Is that what it is? That is correct?
Speaker 8 (14:55):
I'm almost twenty points lower than his normal postseason QBR
pastor reading.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So I think that that hurts him when you talk
about Patrick Mahomes and this go conversation. This loss is
a huge loss for him. And here's the other thing. Now,
Tom Brady was three and two in his first five.
The only here's the scary part is you know Brady
went nine years without winning and then one knows four
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at the back end, which put him in rarefied air.
Here's the problem. Patrick Mahomes isn't in the greatest shape.
Would you would you read that?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
What do you mean? I don't What do you mean
by that? I don't? I don't. Are you meaning he's Luca?
Is he out of say what you're trying to say?
Rob G? He's got a dad Bob going for it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
But I'm trying to say where Tom Brady was with
the training and being able to play till he was
forty five. I don't see Patrick Mahomes playing the forty five.
Would you we got that'd be fifteen more years. Would
you agree with that fifteen That's a rarity. I'm saying,
that's a rarity.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That's That's what I'm saying, more than tune of the decade,
meaning like I give another ten to twelve, Max and
chance crazy Andy Reid retires.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Kelsey's about the retire. That's the feeling I get.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
He might want to go ahead and just call it
go ahead. He looked terrible, He looked slow, terrible. I mean,
for real, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Patrick Mahomes was never ahead of Joe Montana in my eyes,
even with the three before. Yes, I'm not just trying
to say, oh he lost even with because he already
lost before that, but with three and one, and he
has two stinkers in the Super Bowl two.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Patrick Mahomes has four.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Really bad games and two of them have come in
the Super Bowl, and now he's three and two. I
think he's of the goat conversation. For me, I've told
you before, Joe Montana's my goat. Tom Brady would be
second for a lot of people. I get it they
picked Tom Brady, but there's no way Patrick Mahomes is
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in front of Joe Montana.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
All right, So I think he hurt his chances for
the goat last night.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Do I think he's out of the race.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Absolutely not, and often I mean really because of the
step of the stuff you just said.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He still has another decade.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Tom Brady was three and five at this point, I
mean three and two in Super Bowls three and two,
and we thought that that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right, nine years go by.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You love to mention that, Well, guess what, after nine
years he ended up winning another four.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He won another four Super Bowls and that can very
well happen too.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I do not see, but he does. But for me, he.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Doesn't have to. I'm not out even in basketball. So
what does he have to do? I don't want to
hear that question.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I really want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
When who's like twenty let's say he plays the twenty
years whatever, he could potentially be the goat if he
only has four or five rings.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
To me, it doesn't singularly just mean rings. That is
a large component. But I need to know accolades. I
need to know my eye tests, what did I see?
I need to know how you handle adversity. So to me,
there's a bunch of things that go in and when
I'm calling to go, it's not just simply rings in
any sports, not just rings. But that's so what I say,
that's a big pot said, it's a large component. I
absolutely said that, so, meaning you can't be the goat
(18:28):
if Patrick Mahons never wins again for me? Right, I
said five when we talk about it's on Friday, I
believe he's out there. If he finishes with three, he's
not in what goat conversation? Right, I'm agree, I said
he can't be the goat. I said he has to
have five on Friday. I said, if he SATs five,
and I'm assuming that would lead to more great seasons,
maybe another here to.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Five and two more losses. So he won five, but
he lost over them five and four whatever. And I
also saw, I'm just giving you you go two wins
and I'm giving him saying and I'm saying, was I
seeing him continue to be good to great?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Meaning they weren't just like I was just along for
the rides.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Then we can have some talk meaning in between, let's
say he got better, the team got better, he won
another two MVPs, there are other components, then yes, he
could still can be consideration for me, because when I
look at what he's.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Done this far, Rob, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He's twenty nine years old and the man has already
won three Super Bowls, three Super Bowl MVPs. He's two
time All Pro. Tom Brady was only three. He's too
time already. Tom Brady was obviously, I think was thirteen
time All prof I'm not mistaken, fifteen time All Pro,
Pro Bowl, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Time Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He's already obviously at six for Patrick Mahomes, he's been
an MVP twice. I mean like he's on the track
literally to match what Tom Brady did and do another thing.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Reason that he's not on a try. I don't understand
how you're saying he's three and just like Tom Brady was,
because what Tom Brady did at the end is unheard off.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And he's been more prolific than Tom already prolific.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Tom got prolific later.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
No, but but you see the erosion of Mahomes's game.
That's the part that I'm trying to say to you,
is that he hasn't gotten better with age, He's gotten worse.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Well.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So so why would I believe that all of a
sudden Because I'm five years from that question.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Five years he's going to be better than he is,
right question.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Tom brady Man Tom Brady to go to himself mentioned
that during the broadcast. He said, what a lot of
people see is about numbers and about stats. He said,
when I've been watching him, what I understand He said,
game management sometimes is a compliment for us quarterbacks. You
all think it's bad, he said, for us because every game,
every season, it's a different team and it requires something
different from me. So this season, I might have to
be X. This season, I might have to do why.
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This season, I'm might have to do Z. And he
said he's been able to do that and get the
job done. So to your point, meaning next season he
may say I need to go back to throwing forty
five hundred yards and thy five forty touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I don't believe that, Like like that sounds nice.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You can't tell me that Patrick Mahomes dummy down his
game aim to have sixteen in or seth jump.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But what they need I don't believe that. I don't believe.
And here's what I'm saying. I don't.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I don't want to they get Tyreek Hill who once
had been sin was fifteen and two and he got
zero because numbers. No, But if it's just not numbers
and it's about managing the team and doing.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Itself, that they need crazy numbers, right, But Lamar Jackson
numbers were literally ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I just I don't think that you're going to return
to that. As what I'm trying to say. I think
and I said this, Rob, do you remember that Patrick
Mahomes had Plateau?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Didn't I say.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
That that was your We could find the video, Elijah,
I'm dead, sir that he Plateau. There was a point
where I thought he was on his rise or whatever
I mean. And and Chris was always the Jordan esque.
I bet you we would call Chris right now. There's
no way after that performance could you call him Jordan
esk right?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But could you? I'm asking you just just the idea.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Still I still say that, I still say yes, because
he's twenty. That's a fair Listen, I'm not mad at that,
but I'm also not going to take one game. I'm
gonna say he has nine, ten more years. Two bad games, dude, Listen,
listen when he's done in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm talking about the super Bowl right, But in order
to get to the super Bowl, I have to be no,
because you're literally ignoring what makes someone great.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But what makes Brady great is that he won seven
super Bowls. Not wait great in the regular season you
get there, But what makes him to go to you
is that he won seven, not that he won playoff games.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So you gotta stay consistent. That's what.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You're totally missing. No, I'm on, or let me a
phrase that you're missing my point. Okay, it's not a
singular thing. Michael Jordan didn't just win six. He also
was a scoring title. Nobody feeling about the playoff all of.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Ads to it. Is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
When you're the gomedy playoff games that Michael Jordan, when
what am I asking you?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I don't. I don't know, because you just talked about.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
To get to get to the player, and I'm asking
you nobody knows those numbers you do all I'm saying,
I mean gonna be playoff games. Did Tom Brady win
If Eli Manning won five rings but he was the
Eli Manning we saw the reg you would have a
difference like, oh it was good, but he didn't want
all those rings, or he was a part of a team.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
But it's not just about to just the rings. It's
also an eye test. Patrick Mahomes doing things we literally
never saw the first four or five years of his career.
That's why people started to having these conversations. Did we
not see no other than the fifty touches passing? We'd
never seen Tom Brady ain't never in his life through it,
no look behind the back, flipping over his head. Okay,
have you seen that in the last two years? Well
he did one yesterday as well. So what I'm saying
(23:37):
that what made Jordan was because we never saw anything
like Jordan. Wasn't just the rings when you say these things,
is because Jordan was literally air. Jordan flying through the air.
Switch his game went from flying through the air to
what posting you up? So I'm saying that there are
changes in your career. Allah fifty touchdowns, Allah fifteen to two.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But not the most changes when you don't get for
the last.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Two as you can't tell me Tom Brady didn't win
for nine years and then tell me Patrick Mahons has
a decade and he can't possibly win more.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That literally doesn't make sense. I don't think he's gonna
win it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's fair, but and I think he has a chance
to four and four quarterback Fox the King, go ahead
and go.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Ahead and talk this crazy? What what hap? And Lucy?
What I mean? You got? You gave me the chase?
They got beat down? What happened?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Uh, let's let's say this. First of all, the game
plan I thought was very imperfect, which is surprising. I
didn't think Stagnola brought pressure like he normally does. And offensively,
they just abandoned the one game. Then you're adding the
fact that Patrick Mahons played the worst game we've ever
seen him play and it turned into really a terrible
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game from entertainment stamp. That was bad. Yeah, yeah, that
tp to the Eagles, though. Man, they showed up. They
took advantage of every opportunity. And you know why, at
least for the time being, Mahomes is kind of out
of that Brady discussion because we've never seen Brady play
bad like that, and that how.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
About Joe Montana conversation, He ain't even better than Joe Montana.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Can we stop that?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
And again, let me make sure I put context. You know,
Ron like to jump off the bridge. I'd like to,
I'd like to look over the edge. As of right now,
I think for the first time in a long time,
Mahomes had some proven to do next year.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, and that's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I was talking about it earlier, Sean that that's a
fair criticism, Like he can't be without criticism, and he
has been. This season was an odd season where he
was just trying to manage and just do what he
needed to do. But it wasn't great to his standards.
Super Bowl was horrific, even though it was the offensive
and the numbers in the Super Bowls aren't great.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I mean, you saw him showing ten touchdowns, seven picks,
and two of those touchdowns were garbage touchdowns in this
super Bowl and his quarterback rating is eighty six two
point nine in super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
He hasn't played that well.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Here's what was alarming because I I went back and
rewatched it today. He had guys open, but I've never
really seen him have happy feat like he did.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He was getting blitched, I mean destroyed, I mean laid out.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
But the way to beat the blitzer is to get
the ball out on time. And he had guys open,
and I don't know if he got flustered by the
time of possession because Philly, I mean Philly took almost
the whole first quarter on their first drive. But he
just didn't play well. Man. Those interceptions where bad decisions,
bad throws, Like a couple of times he had guys
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open and he was off target. I just have never
seen mahomes play that poorly in this type of game.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Sean King, our guest couple, Robin Kelvin. Then let's go
to the real side, which is the winners and Eagles.
What did you see from Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Everybody said, all you got to do is shut down,
and they did it. And what happened? How did you
view his performance?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Their defensive game plan was, We're gonna see if Jalen
Hurts will be patient and just play the quarterback position
at a high level. And that's what Jalen did. He
didn't do anything spectacular. He didn't really make any out
of this world plays. He simply found the open guy,
delivered the ball accurately, and kept picking up first downs.
(27:21):
I was shocked at I was shocked Spacnola didn't go
back to his pressure packages. They were locked in to
stop the run game, which they deep for effectively, but
Jalen made him pay. He kind of danked and dunked,
and you know, when he did get a chance to
go downfield, he completed it. Yeah, and before you know it,
you know, and the turnovers in and now it's twenty
something to zero.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Twenty four that they have. It was smacked down.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
A bad day. Also, the game plan for the chiefs
Andy Reid. I'm calling for him to retire. Uh you
think I'm off the deepense?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, see, there you go jumping again. The guy been
at three Super Bowls of a real quick i'mout retired.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
What did he do? When were the adjustments in the
second half? Nothing?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
I mean, first of all, Philly to me is a
more talented team than Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
When you when you when you fall behind and you
spot them twenty four. I just I mean, what adjustments
can you really make unless they just start turning the
ball over or you know, they kind of self destruct,
and they did it. I'll say this, it was a
bad week for the NFL all week. Luca Anthony Davis
outshadowed the week leading up to the Super Bowl. That
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was the NBA had more conversation leading up to the game.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, we were in New Orleans, we talked about it.
There was a very little buzz Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
The game was a was a just let down from
an entertainment standpoint. I thought the halftime showing left a
lot to be desired in terms of a bad week
for the Super Bowl overall. I mean for the NFL overall.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
They had a good run though of like four or
five last super Bowl has been competitive, been good. So
you know, you can't literally can't win them on now.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But this is what the Super Bowls used to be,
Like Sean, they used to always dalla this ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Tampa Bay Raiders on.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
And so you see Denver get beat fifty five to
ten in Super Bowl. Stuff like that that you add in,
you add in it some kind of way in the.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
League that's supposed to be the elite. I mean, it's
is supposed to be the ultimate sports league. We're gonna
look back and one guy was named MVP. Another game,
the guy was named First Team All Particulars and another
guy and another guy won Offensive Player of the Year. Now,
how in the hill can that happen?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
It can't happen. What they what they did to Lamar
was was terrible. I mean, those guys, you can't change
your vote that that doesn't mean because to me, I
called them cowards because if Josh was your guy, he
should have been first First Team All Pro am.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
I right, right, right, absolutely, And I hope they don't
fall into this. Everybody gets a trophy, right, you know,
Like I just think it was a bad look start
to finish. All Super Bowl week leading up to the game,
only Bryce spot out the topic for Jalen Hurts. I've
been critical of him because I don't think his performance
at times this year has been at an elite level.
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But he blocked out all the noise and he saved
this best for the game when it matter host. So
I was happy for Jalen. You think about this, out
of all the guys we talk about when we talk
about top quarterbacks in the league, Jalen's taking his team
to two of the last free super Bowls and one one.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Now that's fair. We we talking about it earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I said, you know, talent wise, I'm still not thinking
he's Lamar Josh or Patrick Mahons, but uh and maybe
even Joe Burrow. But he himself can look at all
the other guys who's out the matchup five.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I get you.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He can look at everybody else that ignored him. That's
why he just moved on. What he can look at
everybody else and be like, hey, I've been to two
super Bowls. Lamar Josh, y'all have it. Joe, you ain't
been to two. You've been to one, and I've won mine. Now, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Ain't all super Bowls though, because.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I keep saying that, No, I mean, here you go
from the standpoint of here is Brady. You can't deny
that that damn Marino is a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Am I right? Sean? Without going to all I'm saying,
body of work.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
The optimistic side looks like this, though Detroit lost both coordinators,
that San Francisco seems to be on the back end
of their run, like almost to the point it might
be over talking about Trayon Deebow you know, just McCaffrey
all of a sudden, canst I mean this could be
a legit run for Philly. I mean, the majority of
that roster comes back in tact.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
They will fumbled away though from you know, the Rams
could have possibly won that thing too, So I still
think the NFC's got some a j Rams.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Are done because of isn't isn't Stafford?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So wait, the Rams are done the Lions and who
ain't done? Rob? The Eagles ain't done. That's what he's
trying to make the point. I'm talking to your command everything.
Andy Reid ain't coaching. I'm ready for some changes. I mean, Sean,
I'm with you man. It was a bad week. It
was though. And Luca, I mean that was seismic though.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
This wasn't like eighty for Cat you know Kardi Towns
that has a good training, but eighty for Luca that
was just a massive, absolutely a crazy when I shine,
we appreciate you man, anything else you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Got going on?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Hey man, I want to hope that everybody enjoys these
next couple of weeks until we get the March. Madness.
For a sports guy, this is really really a tough
stretch here, But Hopefully I get in the basketball. Luca
makes his debut tonight. Hopefully he gives something to be
excited about.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Don't forget pictures and catchers are showing up bright Steve
and he is nobody.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I mean that was extreme quiet. Yeah, I'm just listen
off my baseball podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Now get lost.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
No, no, we're going on. We're going mess on it all,
baby
Speaker 2 (32:45):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
This isn't just about me picking the game.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Oh, you're just going against the cheese because you know
they're the big dogs and they're trying to repeat I mean,
three pete and.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
All that other stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
What I've been talking about about the Kansas City Chiefs
for is two years in the making. The Chiefs and Mahomes.
I've been saying this over and over and over. You
always ask me, Oh, you don't like greatness. Yeah, when
I see greatness, I will embrace it. Didn't see greatness
(01:01):
with this team the last two years. And I know
they won a Super Bowl last year, and we talked
about it. They weren't a great team until they won
the Super Bowl. They were bad, you know that last year,
and they won the Super Bowl this year. I refuse
to buy in to their fifteen to two record. I
(01:22):
don't care. I kept watching the games. You guys laughed
at me. I said he turned into Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Daniel Jones would have played that poorly yesterday. And I
get the defense come in and all that, but there
were some bad throws and bad decisions by Patrick Mahomes
as well. That might have been the worst game I've seen.
And he's had two stinkers in the Super Bowl now
two where this team is lost by a score of
(01:52):
seventy one to thirty one, by forty points in two.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Super Bowl losses.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
And then you guys look at me like I'm sugarn
or I'm crazy because I'd say I take Eli Manning
in a big game over.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Patrick Mahomes, and the numbers bear it out.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You remember how to fight with Trey Wingo, who tried
to tell me that he didn't see anything. Patrick's great.
Oh my god, I don't know what you're talking about.
They're winning. Winning is the great makeup. It covers up
all the flaws. That's what people don't understand, is I
(02:32):
get it sports has a short manu wins and losses,
but that doesn't mean that I can't take a deeper.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Look at what I'm watching, rob G. I'm calling you out.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
When rob G made his pick Friday, would you say,
rob G, what was the first thing out of your mouth?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
The Eagles are the better team, That's what he.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Said, and he still picked the Chiefs, right. He knew it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You knew the Eagles were a better team.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And a lot of people got lured into this, got
pulled in. Oh yeah, you know how many times I heard,
don't bet against the Chiefs. Don't were you watching? Have
you watched the last two years? Patrick Mahomes super Bowl
numbers are awful. Ten touchdowns, seven interceptions and a quarterback
(03:26):
rating of eighty six point nine? Is that special? I'm
asking you real quick. That is that is not special?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
All right? So was I shocked? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I was shocked by the margin, but I wasn't shocked
that they lost. The Eagles are a way better team
and the Chiefs have been living on borrowed time for
a long time, getting by other teams, disintegrating and melting
down and making big mistakes and key moments, and they
kept winning. Man, it was so satisfying to watch them
(04:04):
lose because they shouldn't have been there. They're not that good.
The last two years they haven't been that good. And
I get it. Winning super Bowls, people are just gonna
always just look and go, oh they're just win.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They just do whatever it takes.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
My god, I love it because they shouldn't be in
a special place, right three three people would have been
a special place if they lucked into it. No, because
because they're not worthy of it. That's what I'm talking about.
They really haven't played well enough to be that team
that have to win three in a row. I could
go and name teams that won three in a row
(04:39):
and go, oh, Michael Jordan and oh yeah, no doubt
the Yankees and Derek g Oh yeah I could Those
teams I could get with.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I couldn't get with this team last thing. And it's
the best of all. Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I know people like think, I'm just trying to, you know,
get people worked up. Been always going against the great
and what No, what you have here is a guy
who's been covering the league.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Stop listening to shows that go against their eyes. They're
real feelings. There are too many people who just go, well,
it was the Chiefs as easy to just pick them
because they've won. Instead of looking at them, I didn't
pick the Chiefs to lose, to go against the grain.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I told you this.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
They haven't been good for two years, and somehow they've
been able to win this year.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
There was no way, no how.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
This motley cru led by Patrick Mahomes is gonna win
a super Bowl. I said it all year, true falls
all year they weren't gonna win.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You said it the two biggest games in the NFL
this year for this radio show.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I told you the Lions weren't gonna win. I told
you Golf was gonna throw three interceptions. I told you
Patrick Mahomes was gonna throw three interceptions.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I was wrong, you only had two and a fumble.
But I told you from day one and last thing,
which last thing?
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
The last? Or the second? Last? Secondard last?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Okay, I'm not always right. I'm wrong sometimes, but guess
what's that? I am right quite often, and I was
right about this fraudulent Kansas City Chiefs team. I couldn't
be happier that they didn't win a super Bowl because
they weren't worthy of this.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You almost almost First of all, Rob g let's go
to break.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
I'll just do the next segment because I just I'll
just do the next segment. Let me know, Lia, because
we Steve and Steve have to go now this season,
what's trending now with Steve?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
My gosh, stop the longest segment ever.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And you were all right until the last you had that,
you had the Rob Parker it. You are doing okay
until the last little bit. I'll just say this, There's
a lot to dissect here because you're okay.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
More time, You'll have more time, So I don't want
to say what you gotta say, but you will have
more time.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I'm gonna be cause for the time, for the sake
of this, I would rather break and come back because
I don't want to go another foux five six minutes
and then we are away out of time. But I'll
just say this, and I do want to hear from people. Yeah,
go ahead. Here's a few things. Number one, I think
where we differ is on a couple of things. And
(07:36):
I think this is fundamental about some of it. Be
the Lions, where there be other teams, other conversations we
have you go to extreme of the fraud, whereas I
look at Wow, the Philadelphia Eagles were literally historic with
what they did. So to me, it's more about the
Eagles and less about the Chiefs favorite name, I'll let
you rock because the Chiefs, what I've seen all season
(08:00):
is every week when you picked against them, they won.
Did they win some by the skin of their teeth? Absolutely?
Did they win some just flat out outright absolutely? But
you say the eye test. The eye test is they
keep winning, going back to the season before, they keep winning,
going to the playoffs last year, they keep winning. Josh
Allen's the MVP. They keep winning. Lamar Jackson should have
(08:23):
been the MVP, yes, who they beat him? They just
keep winning. So the thing is, you say, how can
people look at this and they think all the eye tests?
It's because they literally have done nothing but win, to
the tune of, outside of sixty minutes last night, they
could have won three straight super Bowls. So it's not
crazy to go against them. It's not crazy to bet
against them because they literally have done nothing but get
(08:45):
to the super Bowl pretty much in the entire Patrick Mahomes' tenure.
So to me, it's more of Wow. The Eagles came
with the historic defense that literally shut down to the
tune of two interceptions, three plus sacks in the first half,
something that has not been done to Patrick Homes. So
to me, it took a historic level from the Eagles
to beat this team that hadn't been ridiculously great the
(09:07):
Chiefs as far as blowing people out, but it who
had been consistent and winning. And I think that's one
of the differences between you, n Ie, Like I see
a team that's consistently winning, and I say, wow, they
continue to have a shot at winning the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So to me, that is not fraudulent by definition.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
They literally got to the Super Bowl beating the MVP,
beating the possible MVP and Lamar Jackson and beating everybody
else in between.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So I don't look at this team as fraudulent.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I look at a team that had the nerve to
want to win three p which clearly is difficult because
nobody else has done except the championship days of the
Green Bay Packers in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So how are they fraudulent?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I don't understand that the Eagles were winning this Super Bowl, and.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You can't tell me the fraudulent when they get to
the Super Bowl. Cudulent is we end up tennis second fraudulent?
Is the La Charger hold on fraudulent? Is the Chargers fraudulent?
Is the Steelers fraudulent? Could be some other the Cowboys,
some teams that we expected more from that would be fraudulent.
A team that literally made it all the way to
the super Bowl again after making it the year before,
(10:13):
the year before, and in two years.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
A year before that, I just don't gather. Okay, they
lost what a.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Buffalo Bill's fraudulent? Let me ask you that they made
it to the super Bowl four years in a row?
They fraudulent?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, they ultimately yes, in a row. Okay, so making
it to the.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Four were out of the five that they've been in. No,
but look at the numbers. What I'm trying to tell
you is if you were really honest and really looked
at Patrick Mahomes, Yes, how do you quarterback a team
that was fifteen and two and get no, zero first
place votes for MVP.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Because the other three guys because he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Nobody's argus Patrick Mahomes the best version of himself.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's no.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We've said that ship this entire We've said this entire year.
He said it the entire year. So that wasn't the question.
The question was can he take a team that isn't
the most explosive and to me achieved by winning to
win seventeen consecutive games that were once score games. That's
why I robbed the eye test. No, they literally were
seventeen to one score games. That's not what determines it.
(11:22):
What I'm trying to tell you, that's not fu.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They just lost.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Look go look at their super Bowl Patrick Mahomes and
the Chiefs go look at it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Games. No last year, then okay, Soretty great. You say no,
but maybe he's not the greatest, but you can and
now he's great, right, you might not be the greatest?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
To you great?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
They how many times the edavnentary kicked their way into
a game? That happens, meaning you don't always have the
spectacular game. Eli Manning doesn't win if for a helmet
like that's a part of when ten.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Super Bowls he has six interceptions, Patrick Mahomes is in five, right,
and he.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Has to me also the only thing that was separate conversation.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Also the worst touchdown interception racial that's a separate conversation
because in the big games.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
So if you're saying is he the goat?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
We will have that conversation eight seven seven of your teams.
It can't be fraudulent. Who consistently makes it to the
super Bowl? That literally is an oxymorphon.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No, it's not.
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Speaker 4 (12:33):
Let's get to Patrick. Let's do it all right, they suck,
It's real simple. There is no got conversation with Pat mahall.
It's over, Okay. I thought it was premature anyway, I do.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
No, not just yeah. Sorry. Somehow really bad happened on
the Who game. I bet go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I thought it was premature because he wasn't even better
than Joe Montana yet and people were ready to crow
on him.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And I'm not saying he is. He's won three Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Well, I got mad respects for Patrick Mahomes, But this
whole idea, I do I have respect, but the idea
that he was chasing Brady and if he won this one,
would you have to say that he's close to Brady
or he's going to pass Brady or could you said
you would identify or recognize him?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Uh, Brady said if he said if he gets the five,
all right, we can start having like that for real conversation.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Here's my problem with it is that, and this was
why I always said I would take Eli like, Okay,
he's got the three super Bowls, but Rob G, his
numbers in the super Bowl are atrocious, right that they
just are. So along with winning the Super Bowls, which
(13:52):
you get credit for, there's also a degree of how
well you play in those super Bowl game. Right, we're
just talking about super Bowls, and that's where he's fallen short. Right,
of all quarterbacks, Rob G, with three and three super Bowls,
what do you got for me? Give me the numbers.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
So, of all the quarterbacks have at least three Super
Bowl rings, again, it's a very short list. Patrick Mahomes
has by far the worst touchdown interception ratio number one.
Of course Tom Brady. His is twenty one to six.
Joe Montana. Actually, if you want to be really stickler,
eleven is zero.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
His is the best.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Troy Aikman five to one. Even Terry Bradch.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Who was taking heat on this show as recently his
last week nine to four Patrick Mahomes, even after two
garbage time touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And you will admit that, right those two touchdowns at
the end, those a garbage touchdown?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Oh me?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
And that was just trying to say.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Six right and ten touchdowns? Seven picks him in the
super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And his quarterback rating rob G eighty six point nine?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Is that what it is? That is correct?
Speaker 8 (14:55):
I'm almost twenty points lower than his normal postseason QBR
pastor reading.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So I think that that hurts him when you talk
about Patrick Mahomes and this go conversation. This loss is
a huge loss for him. And here's the other thing. Now,
Tom Brady was three and two in his first five.
The only here's the scary part is you know Brady
went nine years without winning and then one knows four
(15:26):
at the back end, which put him in rarefied air.
Here's the problem. Patrick Mahomes isn't in the greatest shape.
Would you would you read that?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
What do you mean? I don't What do you mean
by that? I don't? I don't. Are you meaning he's Luca?
Is he out of say what you're trying to say?
Rob G? He's got a dad Bob going for it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
But I'm trying to say where Tom Brady was with
the training and being able to play till he was
forty five. I don't see Patrick Mahomes playing the forty five.
Would you we got that'd be fifteen more years. Would
you agree with that fifteen That's a rarity. I'm saying,
that's a rarity.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That's That's what I'm saying, more than tune of the decade,
meaning like I give another ten to twelve, Max and
chance crazy Andy Reid retires.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Kelsey's about the retire. That's the feeling I get.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
He might want to go ahead and just call it
go ahead. He looked terrible, He looked slow, terrible. I mean,
for real, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Patrick Mahomes was never ahead of Joe Montana in my eyes,
even with the three before. Yes, I'm not just trying
to say, oh he lost even with because he already
lost before that, but with three and one, and he
has two stinkers in the Super Bowl two.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Patrick Mahomes has four.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Really bad games and two of them have come in
the Super Bowl, and now he's three and two. I
think he's of the goat conversation. For me, I've told
you before, Joe Montana's my goat. Tom Brady would be
second for a lot of people. I get it they
picked Tom Brady, but there's no way Patrick Mahomes is
(17:13):
in front of Joe Montana.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
All right, So I think he hurt his chances for
the goat last night.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Do I think he's out of the race.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Absolutely not, and often I mean really because of the
step of the stuff you just said.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He still has another decade.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Tom Brady was three and five at this point, I
mean three and two in Super Bowls three and two,
and we thought that that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right, nine years go by.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You love to mention that, Well, guess what, after nine
years he ended up winning another four.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He won another four Super Bowls and that can very
well happen too.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I do not see, but he does. But for me, he.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Doesn't have to. I'm not out even in basketball. So
what does he have to do? I don't want to
hear that question.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I really want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
When who's like twenty let's say he plays the twenty
years whatever, he could potentially be the goat if he
only has four or five rings.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
To me, it doesn't singularly just mean rings. That is
a large component. But I need to know accolades. I
need to know my eye tests, what did I see?
I need to know how you handle adversity. So to me,
there's a bunch of things that go in and when
I'm calling to go, it's not just simply rings in
any sports, not just rings. But that's so what I say,
that's a big pot said, it's a large component. I
absolutely said that, so, meaning you can't be the goat
(18:28):
if Patrick Mahons never wins again for me? Right, I
said five when we talk about it's on Friday, I
believe he's out there. If he finishes with three, he's
not in what goat conversation? Right, I'm agree, I said
he can't be the goat. I said he has to
have five on Friday. I said, if he SATs five,
and I'm assuming that would lead to more great seasons,
maybe another here to.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Five and two more losses. So he won five, but
he lost over them five and four whatever. And I
also saw, I'm just giving you you go two wins
and I'm giving him saying and I'm saying, was I
seeing him continue to be good to great?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Meaning they weren't just like I was just along for
the rides.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Then we can have some talk meaning in between, let's
say he got better, the team got better, he won
another two MVPs, there are other components, then yes, he
could still can be consideration for me, because when I
look at what he's.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Done this far, Rob, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He's twenty nine years old and the man has already
won three Super Bowls, three Super Bowl MVPs. He's two
time All Pro. Tom Brady was only three. He's too
time already. Tom Brady was obviously, I think was thirteen
time All prof I'm not mistaken, fifteen time All Pro,
Pro Bowl, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Time Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He's already obviously at six for Patrick Mahomes, he's been
an MVP twice. I mean like he's on the track
literally to match what Tom Brady did and do another thing.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Reason that he's not on a try. I don't understand
how you're saying he's three and just like Tom Brady was,
because what Tom Brady did at the end is unheard off.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And he's been more prolific than Tom already prolific.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Tom got prolific later.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
No, but but you see the erosion of Mahomes's game.
That's the part that I'm trying to say to you,
is that he hasn't gotten better with age, He's gotten worse.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Well.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So so why would I believe that all of a
sudden Because I'm five years from that question.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Five years he's going to be better than he is,
right question.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Tom brady Man Tom Brady to go to himself mentioned
that during the broadcast. He said, what a lot of
people see is about numbers and about stats. He said,
when I've been watching him, what I understand He said,
game management sometimes is a compliment for us quarterbacks. You
all think it's bad, he said, for us because every game,
every season, it's a different team and it requires something
different from me. So this season, I might have to
be X. This season, I might have to do why.
(20:39):
This season, I'm might have to do Z. And he
said he's been able to do that and get the
job done. So to your point, meaning next season he
may say I need to go back to throwing forty
five hundred yards and thy five forty touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I don't believe that, Like like that sounds nice.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You can't tell me that Patrick Mahomes dummy down his
game aim to have sixteen in or seth jump.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But what they need I don't believe that. I don't believe.
And here's what I'm saying. I don't.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I don't want to they get Tyreek Hill who once
had been sin was fifteen and two and he got
zero because numbers. No, But if it's just not numbers
and it's about managing the team and doing.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Itself, that they need crazy numbers, right, But Lamar Jackson
numbers were literally ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I just I don't think that you're going to return
to that. As what I'm trying to say. I think
and I said this, Rob, do you remember that Patrick
Mahomes had Plateau?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Didn't I say.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
That that was your We could find the video, Elijah,
I'm dead, sir that he Plateau. There was a point
where I thought he was on his rise or whatever
I mean. And and Chris was always the Jordan esque.
I bet you we would call Chris right now. There's
no way after that performance could you call him Jordan
esk right?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But could you? I'm asking you just just the idea.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Still I still say that, I still say yes, because
he's twenty. That's a fair Listen, I'm not mad at that,
but I'm also not going to take one game. I'm
gonna say he has nine, ten more years. Two bad games, dude, Listen,
listen when he's done in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm talking about the super Bowl right, But in order
to get to the super Bowl, I have to be no,
because you're literally ignoring what makes someone great.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But what makes Brady great is that he won seven
super Bowls. Not wait great in the regular season you
get there, But what makes him to go to you
is that he won seven, not that he won playoff games.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So you gotta stay consistent. That's what.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You're totally missing. No, I'm on, or let me a
phrase that you're missing my point. Okay, it's not a
singular thing. Michael Jordan didn't just win six. He also
was a scoring title. Nobody feeling about the playoff all of.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Ads to it. Is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
When you're the gomedy playoff games that Michael Jordan, when
what am I asking you?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I don't. I don't know, because you just talked about.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
To get to get to the player, and I'm asking
you nobody knows those numbers you do all I'm saying,
I mean gonna be playoff games. Did Tom Brady win
If Eli Manning won five rings but he was the
Eli Manning we saw the reg you would have a
difference like, oh it was good, but he didn't want
all those rings, or he was a part of a team.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
But it's not just about to just the rings. It's
also an eye test. Patrick Mahomes doing things we literally
never saw the first four or five years of his career.
That's why people started to having these conversations. Did we
not see no other than the fifty touches passing? We'd
never seen Tom Brady ain't never in his life through it,
no look behind the back, flipping over his head. Okay,
have you seen that in the last two years? Well
he did one yesterday as well. So what I'm saying
(23:37):
that what made Jordan was because we never saw anything
like Jordan. Wasn't just the rings when you say these things,
is because Jordan was literally air. Jordan flying through the air.
Switch his game went from flying through the air to
what posting you up? So I'm saying that there are
changes in your career. Allah fifty touchdowns, Allah fifteen to two.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But not the most changes when you don't get for
the last.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Two as you can't tell me Tom Brady didn't win
for nine years and then tell me Patrick Mahons has
a decade and he can't possibly win more.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That literally doesn't make sense. I don't think he's gonna
win it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's fair, but and I think he has a chance
to four and four quarterback Fox the King, go ahead
and go.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Ahead and talk this crazy? What what hap? And Lucy?
What I mean? You got? You gave me the chase?
They got beat down? What happened?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Uh, let's let's say this. First of all, the game
plan I thought was very imperfect, which is surprising. I
didn't think Stagnola brought pressure like he normally does. And offensively,
they just abandoned the one game. Then you're adding the
fact that Patrick Mahons played the worst game we've ever
seen him play and it turned into really a terrible
(24:49):
game from entertainment stamp. That was bad. Yeah, yeah, that
tp to the Eagles, though. Man, they showed up. They
took advantage of every opportunity. And you know why, at
least for the time being, Mahomes is kind of out
of that Brady discussion because we've never seen Brady play
bad like that, and that how.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
About Joe Montana conversation, He ain't even better than Joe Montana.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Can we stop that?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
And again, let me make sure I put context. You know,
Ron like to jump off the bridge. I'd like to,
I'd like to look over the edge. As of right now,
I think for the first time in a long time,
Mahomes had some proven to do next year.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, and that's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I was talking about it earlier, Sean that that's a
fair criticism, Like he can't be without criticism, and he
has been. This season was an odd season where he
was just trying to manage and just do what he
needed to do. But it wasn't great to his standards.
Super Bowl was horrific, even though it was the offensive
and the numbers in the Super Bowls aren't great.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I mean, you saw him showing ten touchdowns, seven picks,
and two of those touchdowns were garbage touchdowns in this
super Bowl and his quarterback rating is eighty six two
point nine in super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
He hasn't played that well.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Here's what was alarming because I I went back and
rewatched it today. He had guys open, but I've never
really seen him have happy feat like he did.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He was getting blitched, I mean destroyed, I mean laid out.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
But the way to beat the blitzer is to get
the ball out on time. And he had guys open,
and I don't know if he got flustered by the
time of possession because Philly, I mean Philly took almost
the whole first quarter on their first drive. But he
just didn't play well. Man. Those interceptions where bad decisions,
bad throws, Like a couple of times he had guys
(26:40):
open and he was off target. I just have never
seen mahomes play that poorly in this type of game.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Sean King, our guest couple, Robin Kelvin. Then let's go
to the real side, which is the winners and Eagles.
What did you see from Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Everybody said, all you got to do is shut down,
and they did it. And what happened? How did you
view his performance?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Their defensive game plan was, We're gonna see if Jalen
Hurts will be patient and just play the quarterback position
at a high level. And that's what Jalen did. He
didn't do anything spectacular. He didn't really make any out
of this world plays. He simply found the open guy,
delivered the ball accurately, and kept picking up first downs.
(27:21):
I was shocked at I was shocked Spacnola didn't go
back to his pressure packages. They were locked in to
stop the run game, which they deep for effectively, but
Jalen made him pay. He kind of danked and dunked,
and you know, when he did get a chance to
go downfield, he completed it. Yeah, and before you know it,
you know, and the turnovers in and now it's twenty
something to zero.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Twenty four that they have. It was smacked down.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
A bad day. Also, the game plan for the chiefs
Andy Reid. I'm calling for him to retire. Uh you
think I'm off the deepense?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, see, there you go jumping again. The guy been
at three Super Bowls of a real quick i'mout retired.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
What did he do? When were the adjustments in the
second half? Nothing?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
I mean, first of all, Philly to me is a
more talented team than Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
When you when you when you fall behind and you
spot them twenty four. I just I mean, what adjustments
can you really make unless they just start turning the
ball over or you know, they kind of self destruct,
and they did it. I'll say this, it was a
bad week for the NFL all week. Luca Anthony Davis
outshadowed the week leading up to the Super Bowl. That
(28:33):
was the NBA had more conversation leading up to the game.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, we were in New Orleans, we talked about it.
There was a very little buzz Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
The game was a was a just let down from
an entertainment standpoint. I thought the halftime showing left a
lot to be desired in terms of a bad week
for the Super Bowl overall. I mean for the NFL overall.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
They had a good run though of like four or
five last super Bowl has been competitive, been good. So
you know, you can't literally can't win them on now.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But this is what the Super Bowls used to be,
Like Sean, they used to always dalla this ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Tampa Bay Raiders on.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
And so you see Denver get beat fifty five to
ten in Super Bowl. Stuff like that that you add in,
you add in it some kind of way in the.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
League that's supposed to be the elite. I mean, it's
is supposed to be the ultimate sports league. We're gonna
look back and one guy was named MVP. Another game,
the guy was named First Team All Particulars and another
guy and another guy won Offensive Player of the Year. Now,
how in the hill can that happen?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
It can't happen. What they what they did to Lamar
was was terrible. I mean, those guys, you can't change
your vote that that doesn't mean because to me, I
called them cowards because if Josh was your guy, he
should have been first First Team All Pro am.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
I right, right, right, absolutely, And I hope they don't
fall into this. Everybody gets a trophy, right, you know,
Like I just think it was a bad look start
to finish. All Super Bowl week leading up to the game,
only Bryce spot out the topic for Jalen Hurts. I've
been critical of him because I don't think his performance
at times this year has been at an elite level.
(30:13):
But he blocked out all the noise and he saved
this best for the game when it matter host. So
I was happy for Jalen. You think about this, out
of all the guys we talk about when we talk
about top quarterbacks in the league, Jalen's taking his team
to two of the last free super Bowls and one one.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Now that's fair. We we talking about it earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I said, you know, talent wise, I'm still not thinking
he's Lamar Josh or Patrick Mahons, but uh and maybe
even Joe Burrow. But he himself can look at all
the other guys who's out the matchup five.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I get you.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He can look at everybody else that ignored him. That's
why he just moved on. What he can look at
everybody else and be like, hey, I've been to two
super Bowls. Lamar Josh, y'all have it. Joe, you ain't
been to two. You've been to one, and I've won mine. Now, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Ain't all super Bowls though, because.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I keep saying that, No, I mean, here you go
from the standpoint of here is Brady. You can't deny
that that damn Marino is a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Am I right? Sean? Without going to all I'm saying,
body of work.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
The optimistic side looks like this, though Detroit lost both coordinators,
that San Francisco seems to be on the back end
of their run, like almost to the point it might
be over talking about Trayon Deebow you know, just McCaffrey
all of a sudden, canst I mean this could be
a legit run for Philly. I mean, the majority of
that roster comes back in tact.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
They will fumbled away though from you know, the Rams
could have possibly won that thing too, So I still
think the NFC's got some a j Rams.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Are done because of isn't isn't Stafford?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So wait, the Rams are done the Lions and who
ain't done? Rob? The Eagles ain't done. That's what he's
trying to make the point. I'm talking to your command everything.
Andy Reid ain't coaching. I'm ready for some changes. I mean, Sean,
I'm with you man. It was a bad week. It
was though. And Luca, I mean that was seismic though.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
This wasn't like eighty for Cat you know Kardi Towns
that has a good training, but eighty for Luca that
was just a massive, absolutely a crazy when I shine,
we appreciate you man, anything else you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Got going on?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Hey man, I want to hope that everybody enjoys these
next couple of weeks until we get the March. Madness.
For a sports guy, this is really really a tough
stretch here, But Hopefully I get in the basketball. Luca
makes his debut tonight. Hopefully he gives something to be
excited about.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Don't forget pictures and catchers are showing up bright Steve
and he is nobody.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I mean that was extreme quiet. Yeah, I'm just listen
off my baseball podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Now get lost.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
No, no, we're going on. We're going mess on it all,
baby
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Man,
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