June 26, 2025 • 30 mins
Former NFL safety and FOX Sports Radio weekend host Kerry Rhodes is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin debate whether it's fair to suggest that the Dallas Mavericks can be both 'win-now' and 'win-later' during the Cooper Flagg era, discuss the latest surrounding Justin Tucker's sexual misconduct allegations and subsequent NFL suspension, and tell us why MLB deserves a round of applause for the way they handled that Ketel Marte heckler.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Nico Harrison, who's running the basketball operations over there, had
this to say about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I think it's two things. I think it's win now.
It's also win in the future. And we don't know
when eventually it's going to be Cooper's team. We don't
know when that when that transition will happen. So I
think it's win now and then set yourself up to
win in the future as well.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Well you mister fan of the MAVs mass fan.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
He's talking about, you can win now, win in the future,
win tomorrow, win ten, Just a lot of winning in the.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Future coming, is what I have to say to all
of that. Oh, here we go now.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
On paper, Yes, I likes what I see. Okay, you
talked about it. Kyrie Irvans still playing at a high level,
Anthony Davis playing at a really high level as well.
You got Lively, you got Gaffert, you got you got
other Clay, you gotta piece of PJ. Washington. By the way,
I just PJ Washington. I mentioned it the other day.
Every four years we get a guy whoever becomes man,
(01:27):
if we could just get a it was Rudy Gay
for years. Man, we were Rudy Gay away. It was
Tobias Harris to me, PJ. Washington has become that new guy.
You're like, Man, if we could just get like a
like a PJ. Washington for those teams that are right there,
you know, just we need another guy who gets that,
like the Knicks forensic for instance. Ye.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Man, if we just had like a PJ. Washington, he's
gonna be that new thing, you guy me.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But with that being said, man, Carrie listen, I liked
what I see on paper. But this was my issue
with the initial trade of Luca. It wasn't just that
you ready luc it, although that was hard to get past, man,
that's crazy. It was that you traded him and your
whole point was, I don't know, it could be a
catastrophic injury coming. He didn't take care of his body.
But so you got a guy who's six years older
(02:12):
in AD, who is proving to be injured a lot
in his career, and then you paired him with and
off injured Kyrie. So that was what you didn't pair
him with Michael Bridges, iron man who hasn't missed a
game in his NBA career.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
You paired him with injured Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And then what happened Game one with Ad and it
was so exciting too, but he was injured.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
But he gets injured.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So this is where I'm apprehensive, is that you gotta
wait all the way to what you can say optimistically
March with Kyrie coming back April. I think could be
back before that. But okay, but let's say February. I'll
even grant you that. February he goes to a voodoo doctor.
They put something on his knee. He's back February, but
(02:57):
he gotta he has to work back in the shape. Okay,
roll all that time, you're banking on Anthony Davis not
being injured so that your team is in a good position,
you know, and it's the standings, yep, I don't know
if that's gonna be the case. So Now I got
an old Klay Thompson who's off injured. Now Kyrie a
d with a rookie, and I'm like, on paper, I
get it, but that's asking for a lot for all
(03:19):
those guys to hold up and hold up at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Okay, he's back. Wait, hold on, now you get back.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
All right, now, we got to be best already to
roll come April and May. I just don't know if
they're gonna be built for that. I like it on paper,
but I'm skeptical of the injury report. Yeah, come the
late spring. Yeah, but that's every team. No, No, listen.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
What you're saying, though, is if something happens, and yes,
we've seen it happen, so it's not like it can't happen.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
But that's every team.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You have to have luck, you have to have health
throughout the season, and so if you don't have those things,
nobody's a contender.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So all we have right now is that hypothetical of
what we see on paper, right like man, man, man,
All these things add up in a stack up right.
Boston coming into this year, we thought they were prohibited
favorite right like they are. They were injuries derailed them.
It wasn't a team that beat them. It was injuries, right.
So that's always the case when you look at the
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same and you talk about Nico saying this is a
win now, this is a win in the future as well.
This window with this group is going to be short.
So Cooper, if he gets all that he needs to
get done in these couple of these first to two,
I would say two years with this unit that they
have and it doesn't work out the way hypothetic hypothetically
it could or couldn't. They still have a core with Cooper, Flag,
(04:39):
d Live Gafford, PJ. Washington or will attract other people.
And don't forget they're also right now going after another
point guard that can be a stop gap until Kyrie
gets back. That's a starter, that should be a start
in his lead, that type of that type of person.
So the same is still good. Now I win a championship,
that's just that's far. We don't know what that looks
(05:01):
like until we see all of them together. But right
now I'm loving it. Man, I'm not mad at it.
I like it on paper. It's again hypothetical. We'll have
to wait and see. Uh, But I don't know about
the win. Now, I'm not as high on the win. Now,
there's some other teams that I can feel like I've
have like how many.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
By the way, Rob g was that Eddie House who
had the Mavericks going to the Western Conference final yesterday?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yes, there you go, I said, excuse me, Eddie. Yeah.
And Rashad Phillis, by the way, or both of them
both both did Dan I don't know Eddie.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Eddie fools stories that he think they can make a run.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Rashad said, because I said Houston, and he about laughed
me off.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
No, no, Houston can make him wund He laughed.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Because he said, you don't think Kevin Durant is the piece,
And I'm like, well, it's not that he is not.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
He has to be their savior. Dude.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They got im and Thompson gonna be leaps and bounds better.
Sengoon down low, Fred Van VLEs, if you missed this guy,
we're gonna we're gonna have a problem. Keep going. Yeah,
Jabari Smith Jacks is my guy.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, I him paired with Kevin Durant and learning the
tricks of the trade.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Oh, I'm excited to see him.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, yeah, I was too too. Yoda Lashan Phillis was
laughing it off. I'm like, I thought Kevin Durant fit
perfectly over there in Houston.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So, but again, Cooper Flagg there now is in a
row pick. And also I like to that he doesn't.
He's not just a man. All I can do is
shoot because he can fit right in and they can say,
all right, Ad is going to be down low, He's
going to do his thing, and that actually is kind
of scary. If Anthony Davis is engaged, healthy and active defensively,
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which he usually is, yes, and then you pair him
with Cooper who gets to roam and kind of roll
and be a secondary defender. Guy gets by somebody, he's
coming for the block, passing lanes with that athleticism speak man.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I like that, Will. I will admit that is kind
of scary.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You mentioned with Lively, and that's don't go down there
trying to score.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I'm telling you that front line. I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That frontline defensively is kind of scary. But I like
that he night in, night out, and you know what
reminded me of and the only reason I didn't bring
him up because he wasn't a number one pick.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
When you brought Tim Duncan. It reminds me of Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I think they got him at eleven give take ye ye,
and he gets to just come in, be under Tony Parker,
Ginobili dunking all these guys, be one of the guys.
And then you like, oh, this guy's really really good
defensively Okay, he's athletic getting out on the break okay.
Oh mid range kind of coming around a little bit. Yeah,
And you look up and you're like, man, he's a
(07:28):
finals MVP of that twenty fourteen team. Shout out to that,
Shout out to Steve Balmer. I don't know he did that.
Steve Mamer did that. So I like that he can
just kind of fit in and float. What do you
need from tonight? Oh you just need eight points, twelve rebounds,
three blocks, got you okay, So now you needed me
to go and a lot of points in fast break.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You know who?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Also liking it to offensively speaking Pascal Siakama that you
don't have to say call plays just I can get
it in transition.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I can get it just you know, put some putbacks.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I can get it in a little mid range here
there on Pascal, where we can make saying I don't know,
he's kind of good. I don't know what he does great,
but he's just good. And I see that I'm where
you at on and what he can actually bring immediately.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
And I was gonna I was gonna ask you that too,
But for me, it's he's gonna score fourteen just off effort.
So I would see him early on. I mean this
year probably in that sixteen to eighteen range, and I
don't I might even go lower to your thirteen four.
But because I don't need like I might necessarily need it. Yeah,
I just say that because he's gonna play hard right.
(08:32):
Like again, I don't think they will run a lot
of plays. But the thing I do see with them,
I know they want to push the pace a little
bit more than they have in the past. Obviously with
Luca gone, they want to push it. I can see
him playing that point forward position right, and the ball
can be in his hands a lot more and he
can make a lot of plays too. And with that,
with all the lob threats that he has in Dallas,
now you're gonna have to make decisions. And he's a
(08:53):
really good lob throws because we saw that with the
half team up to everybody, right, Lamala watching those guys.
But man, listen, I think he's going to average around
like in that sixteen eighteen range, and I think he's
going to be obviously Rookie of the Year. But I
mean that's going to be competition there because the guys
are in worse situations.
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Speaker 1 (09:53):
There's some news that came out about Justin Tucker kind
of a conversation Rob and I had a few times
during the process what we thought would happened, what we
thought of, just how it was handled, maybe the lack
of conversation, how it kind of slid under the radar
because it rolled perfect timing into the playoffs where our
attention was there. Now it is out. He is gonna
have be ten weeks, So he's suspended for ten weeks.
(10:15):
It starts August twenty six rod g.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Got his correct if for anybody who doesn't know the background,
justin Tucker was accused of sexual misconduct by sixteen different
massage therapists from eight different spas in the Baltimore area
from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. All right, now, since then,
Tucker has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, and that did not
(10:38):
seem to matter to the NFL, because, as you mentioned,
they announced today that he has been suspended for the
first ten weeks of the upcoming NFL regular season. He
is eligible for reinstatements starting November eleventh. Key thing, though,
is he is currently a free agent, not in anybody's roster,
so this suspension really has much ado about nothing because
he's not under team anyways.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Harry, I know you want to cook on this one. Ye,
get your Bobby flayir.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
No, the whole thing with this whole Justin Tucker thing
was for me, the coverage, the conversation, we didn't have that.
It kind of came out and people were like, oh,
like kind of taking a back, but nobody really said
anything about it. And we had a situation very similar
that happened to a quarterback right that that was in
(11:26):
Houston ended up in Cleveland. And people won't let that
go at all. I mean, they're still talking about that
and they're you know, obviously very strongly opinionated about it.
But when it comes to Justin Tucker in this situation,
ah right, he said he hasn't done anything yet. So
we're gonna we're gonna be patient and we're gonna wait
till all the facts come out. That just rubbed me
(11:48):
the wrong way. Like, if you're gonna be consistent, be
consistent when you cover something, when you cover somebody, doesn't
matter who they are, doesn't matter that the quarterback, the kicker,
doesn't matter if you're African American, doesn't matter if you're white, Like,
keep the conversation the same. And so the fact that
none of this was really happening in this situation. Even
now with the suspension, you go on Twitter, that's not trending.
(12:11):
When Deshaun Watson went through that process, I mean, it
was the topic of everybody.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It was just a topic of everybody's discussions.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
And so the fact that this isn't that And I
like Justin I like Justin Tucker for as the player
that he is. I don't know him personally, but you
can tell, like some of the stuff that he was doing,
you could tell he was he had a little more
about him as a kicker. We don't usually see that often,
the personality of it. And you know him wearing the
gold chains and the way he talks, and people don't
(12:40):
talk about that. But I mean, this is a real
conversation if you're out there doing this stuff and you're
not owning up to it, and you're putting people in compromising,
compromising positions like we need to we need answers. And
the fact that he's not even anybody, he hasn't even
said anything really to the public wardy. I mean, he's
issued a statement kind of disappear and now he's off
(13:01):
the team, Like I want to know more. I need
the conversation to be a little bit more enriched. For me,
that was adorable.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'm gonna tell you why that was adorable because you
sound like what oftentimes we wanted to be. I know
you not all that well, but I know you enough.
We always talk about you, me on the mic and
off the mic. Authenticity being who you are. You know
Spectrum News one where I'm the morning anchor.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You've done in La Stories with Jaselle Fernandez, so that's
where I really got your full story. She dived deep
into your life and everything. I say that to say
for a real reason. One of the things that has
been a challenge for me for years is nuance, very nuanced.
I'm very understanding. I can contextualize, I can understand, like,
oh well, I see how what should be and what
(13:50):
I realized.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Brother Deshaun Watson, first and foremost is a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
That's the big position in the NFL, right, and we're
going to talk about that to nauseum.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He's the star. We're gonna talk about it especial because
he's a star.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
He was balling when that's came out with the Shaun Watson, Yeah,
MVP candidate just about to go free agency, get a bag,
the whole nine. Also, I do believe we live in
is it in the rock? Go full Rob Parker? Is
this thing on race matters in America? And when you
have a star black filling the blank politician, entertainer, athlete,
(14:23):
I believe that makes things even more hot button topic,
like everybody wants to talk about that's just me. You
can say I'm wrong, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I don't. I strongly believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So now you have a young black, great quarterback, hot
playing very well, MVP, making Superman plays, all of that
makes his news for fodder. And they kept rolling out right,
it was like one, two, okay, sin him, Okay, it's fifteen.
And it kind of got Bill Cosby like where the
numbers just got great? Okay, this is is almost comical,
(14:54):
not even it's not a funny matter, but just the
numbers got so high. So I think that played a role. Also,
Justin Tucker's a kicker. Justin Tucker's old. And as far
as sports, you know, it was he thirty five in sports.
That's old and pardon my French, he sucked last year.
Now chicken her egg theory, did he suck? Because all
this was in the back of his head, and he
(15:14):
knew it was coming. He knew it was out there,
and he getting a little nervous. He's, oh, shoot, in
any minute, I know the story's gonna break because of anything.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
You know anything about journalism.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
They've called him, They've called his agent, they've called his family,
they've called this They checked in with the team. Hey, Ravens,
do you have anything, He said, We're gonna put the
story out here.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, Journalism, especially real journalists, they go through the proper channels,
they go through lawyers. They Hey, everything kosher, We're gonna
put this story out.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Is this legal? Can we do this?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Point being he knew this was coming, Yeah, and when
you got something weighing on you that heavy, that can
affect your play, your work, anybody, all of us. Right,
So I wonder if he would have been as bad
if this was not there.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
But what makes this also the timing perfect is we've
seen enough of his career that if a kicker is
to go on the Hall of Fame, he's has the
credentials to get in the Hall of Fame. Right point is,
he's already done most of his career. He's already been
a prolific kicker. So he has the good fortune where
he can just fade away, now, Carrie, you know what
(16:14):
I mean, and just kind of just can just go away.
We're talking about the NBA Draft, we just talked about
the finals, we're getting ready to talk about show Hayes
pitching all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well he kind of just fade.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It worked out perfectly for him because if he were
twenty eight kicking sixty six yard or sixty eight yards
winning games and this would be hot fodder. We'd be
talking about it more. But my last point here, Carrie,
is one thing I know about the NFL. As long
as you aren't kneeling for the issues of Black America,
anything else can get you back in the league.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And what I mean by that is come make late
November and a team is sitting there ten and four,
you know, or you know, eight and three, something like that,
and they're like, man, our kicker just went down and
we got a chance to really make a deep playoff
run the Bills, the Lions, something like that. Please believe
(17:08):
all will be forgiven, forgotten and justin Tucker's phone will ring,
Oh yeah, because you can domestic violence, sale drugs do drugs,
say the N word, Riley Cooper, kill somebody, and I
mean that respectively. Dante Stalworth, I'm not don't even need
trying to be funny, Dante Stalwarth you know drunk driving?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Oh that part, yeah, yep. Yeah. My point is anything
can get you back in the league.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It doesn't matter if you're still good or we need you,
except for kneeling for the rights of Black Americans.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's a whole nother thing. Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So my point is as much as I'm like, oh
he's out, he wasn't played, he wasn't good last year.
His agent's phone might ring come late November because somebody
needs him. The ten weeks have gone by, and I'm like,
you know what, people ain't thinking about that. No more
call him. We need to kick him for this playoff push.
Oh am I wrong? No, no, no, no, that's that's
(17:55):
a that's a given.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I mean if a team needs, if a teams need
is extreme, they go extreme measures. He's a Hall of
Fame kicker. There's nothing about his talent, nothing about any
of that at all. Like that's part of the NFL. Yes,
they will hire you if they need you. I'm just
The thing that baffles me about this is just the
(18:17):
complexity to both of these stories. They're both complex, they're
both rumors, but one just we we covered it at nauseum,
right yep, this one was not that. And just because
he's a kicker, and just because he's on his way
out the league or possibly out the league, that's not
the point.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
The point is cover it the same.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
And that's the part that it just I don't like
saying your t shirt keeps, it turns into a soup
and your voice starting to sound.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
More of a dream than One day you do something
wrong and everybody's gonna talk about the wrong is wrong,
and I hear you and I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
But unfortunately, man, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Somebody else can do something and somebody, you know, whatever
the thing is, whether because they're more famous, or they're
in a bigger team, or it's a race thing, whatever,
we just America will pick and choose who they choose
to make, you know, an example of, or be the
hot topic, or it just happens that way. Because if
(19:17):
you're justin Tucker, to you, he they ain't talking about
me too too much? Right, It's crazy, but.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Think about it, right now in the world that we
live in, where it is hot topics, it is whatever's
trending is the thing.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Let me have all these entertainment people getting you know,
getting called out every other week and it's hot for
that moment, and you get it. I think that's the
other part of it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Though.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
We live in the world right now where everything is
such a hot topic and everything is so quick, and
the news feed turns over so quick. I think that
may be Oh no, no, no, let me tell you something.
So there's a there's a whole La City council craziness
that happened a couple of years back. They got caught
in some racist stuff on tape. Now you live here,
so maybe you might remember.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And I won't get into all that, but right, anyway,
one person actually, well, Kevin DeLeon, and he was on
he was part of the tape, and you know there
was some racist stuff going on, and everybody else kind
of bowed out.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I'm gonna resign or you know, because that's.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
What you do historically, right, you get caught up in
a scandal, you you fall on the sword.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Forgive me, I was wrong, No, no, no, no, right.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
One thing we've learned, especially with politicians lately, they have
learned what you said, the news cycle will end. I'll
push through. I'll stand on this for a minute. You
guys will forget you move on. We'll go on to
the next, you know, big topic. You'll go on to
the next scandal. And here I'll stand right. And that
has happened so many different people. Kind of the shame
is gone. It's like, yeah, I did that, My bad,
(20:41):
I was crazy. So what you resigned? No, I'm good,
you're stepping down. And I think if you just stand
on business now, even if the business is wrong nowadays,
we'll go that's wrong, that's wrong. Oh, there's the other thing,
and we'll move on to whatever the hot topic is.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You see a lot of people staying in positions were historic.
They would do the you know, I'm sorry, I did that,
and I mean and then I'm gonna bow down and
I'm gonna pass the baton.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
And now that's not happening nowadays.
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Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're the perfect person to be here because you played
many years in the NFL and you inexperience. Maybe you
experience a little bit of what I want to get
you here, and that is when you have fans.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
If you recall, Marte was heckled by a fan.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
They said something about his mother who was late, his
late mother, and he kind of had a breakdown emotional moment.
To me, it looked more so like I'm frustrated, I
can't do anything about it. I'm insulted, I'm hurt angered.
All that kind of rolled up in one and the
tears looked a little bit more like you know what
I mean, Like I want to do something, but I can't.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
MLB comes down they say that this twenty year old
fan would be banned in definitely.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
From MLB ballparks. Wow, so they did come down hard.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But Rob g knows how much my disdain goes and
how deep it is for fans who act like idiots
in ballpark stadium and arenas. I don't think you understand
how bad my disdain is for this. Let me articulate it.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Do it?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You hear you.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's the only place in life were full fledged grown
adults are allowed to be kids.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You could also argue maybe American politics it's the only
place where you are allowed to be violent. And people go, well,
you paid the cost to be violent, or based on
the person who is the victim, their income level, we go, oh,
man up, Carros in the NFL, he's making a million.
(23:00):
He'd be all right that you threw a battery at him,
that you dump popcorn on him, don't that you threw
beer at him, that you flicked him off, you called
him then word you said, his mom, his late mothers
of this. It's the only but we work here Fox
Sports Radio, we work at iHeartMedia. Nobody can come in
here right now and throw a battery at me, a
(23:21):
snowball at me and it just goes. You know, just
got to take it, man. You know you make millions,
not that I make millions, but you get the point.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And it's the most asinine thought that we put the
onus on the athlete, the human, the person in that position,
the victim, and we go, oh, just man up, you'll
be all right.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So what you get paid.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Whereas any other any other profession, the assailant is held
and judge based off of those actions that adult.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So I don't get it. I never will.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I don't sit at me And Rob just argued a
couple of weeks ago about this because I'm firm believer
and if I'm sitting here trying to be cool, I'm
in profession.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm passionate.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
We want you guys to play hard. You care about
this day, your blessed one and tears are in it.
And it's outsider who paid fifty nine to ninety nine
for a ticket gets to throw a beer at me,
and I'm supposed to go, okay, it takes like a
Budweiser and just be all right with it. It's crazy
to me, and that you can insult my late mother
is crazy to me. Help me understand why people are
(24:24):
actually okay with this and why people expect the athletes
to be gandhi in this case.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
You know, like the number one thing with this is
people use it as an outlet, right, Like obviously they're
in their nine to five jobs or whatever they're doing
outside of you know, that arena. They're going to see
this is their moment to step outside of that reality
and step into this reality. That it's fair game for
(24:54):
me to do whatever I want to do to the athlete, right,
I understand that part of it doesn't make it right,
absolutely not, So I think that kind of comes with
the territory. But I think the ultimate thing that gives
them the courage to do these things is the alcohol.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
I think being belligerent at these games and not really
being in sound mind and body is the reason this happens, right.
But then obviously the other thing that goes that's attached
to that is they see those gladiators or those people
in the sport as that and so if I can
(25:32):
get under the skin of that person or I can
do XYZ to that person, there's an elevation to their
mystique as well as a human And so when you
look at those things like that, it's very easy for
me to see it as what it is. But when
you're talking somebody about their dead mother, like, there has
(25:54):
to be a line. Obviously he can't do anything to you,
and you know that, so you feel compere oled or
to do it. Hope that yeah, right right right, We've
seen it happen the mallets in the Palace. We've seen
you can't mess with everybody, And so I think when
you get to see these things and these scenarios happen
like there is there are, there are consequences to this,
(26:15):
and I think if you get some of these players
at the wrong time or the right time, you will
find out. And for me, so I'm I'm a proponent
of just be human in every aspect of your life.
If you're going to see a game, go enjoy it.
Be loud, be rowlly. Wat's what you're saying. These are
human beings that are going through it motion just like
you are. Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I showed up on Sunday, I showed up on a
Tuesday in the NBA, showed up on the NBA MLB.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You don't know what it took me to get here.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Child could be sick, my mother could be going through it,
money issues, going through a divorce, like there's a million
things that could be going on, and you coming in
just because you get you know, I hate my ninety
five and I'm drunk, I say whatever, And you know
it also drives me crazy. Is that oftentimes when you
look at stuff that happens, and then we do the
(27:05):
documentary Mouths of the Palace, what do you find out, Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Man, I was having alcoholism. I was an alcoholic.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's like all these people get to go and be
saw some and normally the folks who are doing it,
the folks who are fighting at games where you're sitting
there with your five year old boy or girl.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, usually you know, I was going through some issues
in my life, so it's like this is their moment.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Uh huh, Well they get the spas out of that crazy,
but I have to be the recipient of their pain
and hurt and lack of therapy.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And it drives it just drives me crazy because most
people go and have a good time and they might
you suck.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Okay, I'm cool with that, yo, light them up, do
this you know, boo, you did it?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, I'm cool with all that, right, But once you
start calling people racial slurs and talking about their late
mother and doing this, it's like more you know what
they say, They say, give somebody a bunch of money,
find out who they really are. To me, I say,
give somebody a little bit of alcohol, take them to
a sporting event, find out who they really are. Because
there's a lot of people are going to go have
(28:03):
a good time. Whooa man, we had a great game.
When you want to go next and there's a lot
of people going to get you show you their real character,
and it just blows me away. And so man, you know,
I just saw that and again to see him in tears, frustrated.
You had his coaches and everybody kind of had to
come out with solo. Man, that's just weird. It's just
strange to me. And I'm always blown away at how
(28:23):
the leagues and I get it right. The fans paid
for all of this and the idea of that we
want these folks to come and you know, not feel like, hey,
I might go get beat up if I say you suck,
But I just feel like, man, you also got to
protect your players.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, the NBA has gotten better. I'll give them credit.
They have. They've gotten better.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
These players will be like yo, yo, yo, my man
right there, he said blah blah blah blah blah blah
he did blah blah blah. He just I see him.
He's fawming at the mouth in my wife's ear at
the game.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You know. And they've gotten better at that. I'll give
them credit.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And the reason they had to get better is because
their fans are too close to the action, and that's
the that's the that's the caveat right.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
MLB and NFL, even tennis like this, they're some distance.
So the words they're saying, whatever it is, it's words
and things happen. So that's a little different. The NBA
is you had to, you had to. They're right up
on you.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
But I just yeah it again, man, I just I'm
blown away by these aren't high schoolers, right, these are
oftentimes forty fifty sixty.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Year old grown men. Act.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I'm like grown women. I'm blown away getting in the
fights a game? What are you fighting on? Why are
we forty eight knuck it up at a game? And
my my saying always has been this because you played
in this particular sport, y'all fighting over men and tights
who don't even know you, don't know you at all,
and you were in there.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You know the raiders, suck rubs, you know it, lions.
My nose broken and you gotta come home.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
She's screaming because your nose is twisted and your nose
is on your cheekbone and you're blooded up and you
gotta explain it.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Why you fight?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, he shaid our receiver sucks. I know, that's not
why we at the hospital right now with this hospital
bill exactly because and you're embarrassed and you got fired
from your job because they saw it because he said
this receiver sucked. Well, I mean, you know, I'm like, man,
it's just I'll never understand that. Maybe I'm wrong. No,
you're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I just think there is there's levels to it, obviously,
and the things that you know, once it started getting
really personal and stuff like that, obviously that's part of
the trash talk that happens.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
But come on, man, be respectable.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Nico Harrison, who's running the basketball operations over there, had
this to say about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I think it's two things. I think it's win now.
It's also win in the future. And we don't know
when eventually it's going to be Cooper's team. We don't
know when that when that transition will happen. So I
think it's win now and then set yourself up to
win in the future as well.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Well you mister fan of the MAVs mass fan.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
He's talking about, you can win now, win in the future,
win tomorrow, win ten, Just a lot of winning in the.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Future coming, is what I have to say to all
of that. Oh, here we go now.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
On paper, Yes, I likes what I see. Okay, you
talked about it. Kyrie Irvans still playing at a high level,
Anthony Davis playing at a really high level as well.
You got Lively, you got Gaffert, you got you got
other Clay, you gotta piece of PJ. Washington. By the way,
I just PJ Washington. I mentioned it the other day.
Every four years we get a guy whoever becomes man,
(01:27):
if we could just get a it was Rudy Gay
for years. Man, we were Rudy Gay away. It was
Tobias Harris to me, PJ. Washington has become that new guy.
You're like, Man, if we could just get like a
like a PJ. Washington for those teams that are right there,
you know, just we need another guy who gets that,
like the Knicks forensic for instance. Ye.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Man, if we just had like a PJ. Washington, he's
gonna be that new thing, you guy me.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But with that being said, man, Carrie listen, I liked
what I see on paper. But this was my issue
with the initial trade of Luca. It wasn't just that
you ready luc it, although that was hard to get past, man,
that's crazy. It was that you traded him and your
whole point was, I don't know, it could be a
catastrophic injury coming. He didn't take care of his body.
But so you got a guy who's six years older
(02:12):
in AD, who is proving to be injured a lot
in his career, and then you paired him with and
off injured Kyrie. So that was what you didn't pair
him with Michael Bridges, iron man who hasn't missed a
game in his NBA career.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
You paired him with injured Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And then what happened Game one with Ad and it
was so exciting too, but he was injured.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
But he gets injured.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So this is where I'm apprehensive, is that you gotta
wait all the way to what you can say optimistically
March with Kyrie coming back April. I think could be
back before that. But okay, but let's say February. I'll
even grant you that. February he goes to a voodoo doctor.
They put something on his knee. He's back February, but
(02:57):
he gotta he has to work back in the shape. Okay,
roll all that time, you're banking on Anthony Davis not
being injured so that your team is in a good position,
you know, and it's the standings, yep, I don't know
if that's gonna be the case. So Now I got
an old Klay Thompson who's off injured. Now Kyrie a
d with a rookie, and I'm like, on paper, I
get it, but that's asking for a lot for all
(03:19):
those guys to hold up and hold up at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Okay, he's back. Wait, hold on, now you get back.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
All right, now, we got to be best already to
roll come April and May. I just don't know if
they're gonna be built for that. I like it on paper,
but I'm skeptical of the injury report. Yeah, come the
late spring. Yeah, but that's every team. No, No, listen.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
What you're saying, though, is if something happens, and yes,
we've seen it happen, so it's not like it can't happen.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
But that's every team.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You have to have luck, you have to have health
throughout the season, and so if you don't have those things,
nobody's a contender.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So all we have right now is that hypothetical of
what we see on paper, right like man, man, man,
All these things add up in a stack up right.
Boston coming into this year, we thought they were prohibited
favorite right like they are. They were injuries derailed them.
It wasn't a team that beat them. It was injuries, right.
So that's always the case when you look at the
(04:13):
same and you talk about Nico saying this is a
win now, this is a win in the future as well.
This window with this group is going to be short.
So Cooper, if he gets all that he needs to
get done in these couple of these first to two,
I would say two years with this unit that they
have and it doesn't work out the way hypothetic hypothetically
it could or couldn't. They still have a core with Cooper, Flag,
(04:39):
d Live Gafford, PJ. Washington or will attract other people.
And don't forget they're also right now going after another
point guard that can be a stop gap until Kyrie
gets back. That's a starter, that should be a start
in his lead, that type of that type of person.
So the same is still good. Now I win a championship,
that's just that's far. We don't know what that looks
(05:01):
like until we see all of them together. But right
now I'm loving it. Man, I'm not mad at it.
I like it on paper. It's again hypothetical. We'll have
to wait and see. Uh, But I don't know about
the win. Now, I'm not as high on the win. Now,
there's some other teams that I can feel like I've
have like how many.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
By the way, Rob g was that Eddie House who
had the Mavericks going to the Western Conference final yesterday?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yes, there you go, I said, excuse me, Eddie. Yeah.
And Rashad Phillis, by the way, or both of them
both both did Dan I don't know Eddie.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Eddie fools stories that he think they can make a run.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Rashad said, because I said Houston, and he about laughed
me off.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
No, no, Houston can make him wund He laughed.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Because he said, you don't think Kevin Durant is the piece,
And I'm like, well, it's not that he is not.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
He has to be their savior. Dude.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They got im and Thompson gonna be leaps and bounds better.
Sengoon down low, Fred Van VLEs, if you missed this guy,
we're gonna we're gonna have a problem. Keep going. Yeah,
Jabari Smith Jacks is my guy.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, I him paired with Kevin Durant and learning the
tricks of the trade.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Oh, I'm excited to see him.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, yeah, I was too too. Yoda Lashan Phillis was
laughing it off. I'm like, I thought Kevin Durant fit
perfectly over there in Houston.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So, but again, Cooper Flagg there now is in a
row pick. And also I like to that he doesn't.
He's not just a man. All I can do is
shoot because he can fit right in and they can say,
all right, Ad is going to be down low, He's
going to do his thing, and that actually is kind
of scary. If Anthony Davis is engaged, healthy and active defensively,
(06:34):
which he usually is, yes, and then you pair him
with Cooper who gets to roam and kind of roll
and be a secondary defender. Guy gets by somebody, he's
coming for the block, passing lanes with that athleticism speak man.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I like that, Will. I will admit that is kind
of scary.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You mentioned with Lively, and that's don't go down there
trying to score.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I'm telling you that front line. I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That frontline defensively is kind of scary. But I like
that he night in, night out, and you know what
reminded me of and the only reason I didn't bring
him up because he wasn't a number one pick.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
When you brought Tim Duncan. It reminds me of Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I think they got him at eleven give take ye ye,
and he gets to just come in, be under Tony Parker,
Ginobili dunking all these guys, be one of the guys.
And then you like, oh, this guy's really really good
defensively Okay, he's athletic getting out on the break okay.
Oh mid range kind of coming around a little bit. Yeah,
And you look up and you're like, man, he's a
(07:28):
finals MVP of that twenty fourteen team. Shout out to that,
Shout out to Steve Balmer. I don't know he did that.
Steve Mamer did that. So I like that he can
just kind of fit in and float. What do you
need from tonight? Oh you just need eight points, twelve rebounds,
three blocks, got you okay, So now you needed me
to go and a lot of points in fast break.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You know who?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Also liking it to offensively speaking Pascal Siakama that you
don't have to say call plays just I can get
it in transition.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I can get it just you know, put some putbacks.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I can get it in a little mid range here
there on Pascal, where we can make saying I don't know,
he's kind of good. I don't know what he does great,
but he's just good. And I see that I'm where
you at on and what he can actually bring immediately.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
And I was gonna I was gonna ask you that too,
But for me, it's he's gonna score fourteen just off effort.
So I would see him early on. I mean this
year probably in that sixteen to eighteen range, and I
don't I might even go lower to your thirteen four.
But because I don't need like I might necessarily need it. Yeah,
I just say that because he's gonna play hard right.
(08:32):
Like again, I don't think they will run a lot
of plays. But the thing I do see with them,
I know they want to push the pace a little
bit more than they have in the past. Obviously with
Luca gone, they want to push it. I can see
him playing that point forward position right, and the ball
can be in his hands a lot more and he
can make a lot of plays too. And with that,
with all the lob threats that he has in Dallas,
now you're gonna have to make decisions. And he's a
(08:53):
really good lob throws because we saw that with the
half team up to everybody, right, Lamala watching those guys.
But man, listen, I think he's going to average around
like in that sixteen eighteen range, and I think he's
going to be obviously Rookie of the Year. But I
mean that's going to be competition there because the guys
are in worse situations.
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Speaker 1 (09:53):
There's some news that came out about Justin Tucker kind
of a conversation Rob and I had a few times
during the process what we thought would happened, what we
thought of, just how it was handled, maybe the lack
of conversation, how it kind of slid under the radar
because it rolled perfect timing into the playoffs where our
attention was there. Now it is out. He is gonna
have be ten weeks, So he's suspended for ten weeks.
(10:15):
It starts August twenty six rod g.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Got his correct if for anybody who doesn't know the background,
justin Tucker was accused of sexual misconduct by sixteen different
massage therapists from eight different spas in the Baltimore area
from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. All right, now, since then,
Tucker has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, and that did not
(10:38):
seem to matter to the NFL, because, as you mentioned,
they announced today that he has been suspended for the
first ten weeks of the upcoming NFL regular season. He
is eligible for reinstatements starting November eleventh. Key thing, though,
is he is currently a free agent, not in anybody's roster,
so this suspension really has much ado about nothing because
he's not under team anyways.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Harry, I know you want to cook on this one. Ye,
get your Bobby flayir.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
No, the whole thing with this whole Justin Tucker thing
was for me, the coverage, the conversation, we didn't have that.
It kind of came out and people were like, oh,
like kind of taking a back, but nobody really said
anything about it. And we had a situation very similar
that happened to a quarterback right that that was in
(11:26):
Houston ended up in Cleveland. And people won't let that
go at all. I mean, they're still talking about that
and they're you know, obviously very strongly opinionated about it.
But when it comes to Justin Tucker in this situation,
ah right, he said he hasn't done anything yet. So
we're gonna we're gonna be patient and we're gonna wait
till all the facts come out. That just rubbed me
(11:48):
the wrong way. Like, if you're gonna be consistent, be
consistent when you cover something, when you cover somebody, doesn't
matter who they are, doesn't matter that the quarterback, the kicker,
doesn't matter if you're African American, doesn't matter if you're white, Like,
keep the conversation the same. And so the fact that
none of this was really happening in this situation. Even
now with the suspension, you go on Twitter, that's not trending.
(12:11):
When Deshaun Watson went through that process, I mean, it
was the topic of everybody.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It was just a topic of everybody's discussions.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
And so the fact that this isn't that And I
like Justin I like Justin Tucker for as the player
that he is. I don't know him personally, but you
can tell, like some of the stuff that he was doing,
you could tell he was he had a little more
about him as a kicker. We don't usually see that often,
the personality of it. And you know him wearing the
gold chains and the way he talks, and people don't
(12:40):
talk about that. But I mean, this is a real
conversation if you're out there doing this stuff and you're
not owning up to it, and you're putting people in compromising,
compromising positions like we need to we need answers. And
the fact that he's not even anybody, he hasn't even
said anything really to the public wardy. I mean, he's
issued a statement kind of disappear and now he's off
(13:01):
the team, Like I want to know more. I need
the conversation to be a little bit more enriched. For me,
that was adorable.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'm gonna tell you why that was adorable because you
sound like what oftentimes we wanted to be. I know
you not all that well, but I know you enough.
We always talk about you, me on the mic and
off the mic. Authenticity being who you are. You know
Spectrum News one where I'm the morning anchor.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You've done in La Stories with Jaselle Fernandez, so that's
where I really got your full story. She dived deep
into your life and everything. I say that to say
for a real reason. One of the things that has
been a challenge for me for years is nuance, very nuanced.
I'm very understanding. I can contextualize, I can understand, like,
oh well, I see how what should be and what
(13:50):
I realized.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Brother Deshaun Watson, first and foremost is a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
That's the big position in the NFL, right, and we're
going to talk about that to nauseum.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He's the star. We're gonna talk about it especial because
he's a star.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
He was balling when that's came out with the Shaun Watson, Yeah,
MVP candidate just about to go free agency, get a bag,
the whole nine. Also, I do believe we live in
is it in the rock? Go full Rob Parker? Is
this thing on race matters in America? And when you
have a star black filling the blank politician, entertainer, athlete,
(14:23):
I believe that makes things even more hot button topic,
like everybody wants to talk about that's just me. You
can say I'm wrong, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I don't. I strongly believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So now you have a young black, great quarterback, hot
playing very well, MVP, making Superman plays, all of that
makes his news for fodder. And they kept rolling out right,
it was like one, two, okay, sin him, Okay, it's fifteen.
And it kind of got Bill Cosby like where the
numbers just got great? Okay, this is is almost comical,
(14:54):
not even it's not a funny matter, but just the
numbers got so high. So I think that played a role. Also,
Justin Tucker's a kicker. Justin Tucker's old. And as far
as sports, you know, it was he thirty five in sports.
That's old and pardon my French, he sucked last year.
Now chicken her egg theory, did he suck? Because all
this was in the back of his head, and he
(15:14):
knew it was coming. He knew it was out there,
and he getting a little nervous. He's, oh, shoot, in
any minute, I know the story's gonna break because of anything.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
You know anything about journalism.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
They've called him, They've called his agent, they've called his family,
they've called this They checked in with the team. Hey, Ravens,
do you have anything, He said, We're gonna put the
story out here.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, Journalism, especially real journalists, they go through the proper channels,
they go through lawyers. They Hey, everything kosher, We're gonna
put this story out.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Is this legal? Can we do this?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Point being he knew this was coming, Yeah, and when
you got something weighing on you that heavy, that can
affect your play, your work, anybody, all of us. Right,
So I wonder if he would have been as bad
if this was not there.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
But what makes this also the timing perfect is we've
seen enough of his career that if a kicker is
to go on the Hall of Fame, he's has the
credentials to get in the Hall of Fame. Right point is,
he's already done most of his career. He's already been
a prolific kicker. So he has the good fortune where
he can just fade away, now, Carrie, you know what
(16:14):
I mean, and just kind of just can just go away.
We're talking about the NBA Draft, we just talked about
the finals, we're getting ready to talk about show Hayes
pitching all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well he kind of just fade.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It worked out perfectly for him because if he were
twenty eight kicking sixty six yard or sixty eight yards
winning games and this would be hot fodder. We'd be
talking about it more. But my last point here, Carrie,
is one thing I know about the NFL. As long
as you aren't kneeling for the issues of Black America,
anything else can get you back in the league.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And what I mean by that is come make late
November and a team is sitting there ten and four,
you know, or you know, eight and three, something like that,
and they're like, man, our kicker just went down and
we got a chance to really make a deep playoff
run the Bills, the Lions, something like that. Please believe
(17:08):
all will be forgiven, forgotten and justin Tucker's phone will ring,
Oh yeah, because you can domestic violence, sale drugs do drugs,
say the N word, Riley Cooper, kill somebody, and I
mean that respectively. Dante Stalworth, I'm not don't even need
trying to be funny, Dante Stalwarth you know drunk driving?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Oh that part, yeah, yep. Yeah. My point is anything
can get you back in the league.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It doesn't matter if you're still good or we need you,
except for kneeling for the rights of Black Americans.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's a whole nother thing. Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So my point is as much as I'm like, oh
he's out, he wasn't played, he wasn't good last year.
His agent's phone might ring come late November because somebody
needs him. The ten weeks have gone by, and I'm like,
you know what, people ain't thinking about that. No more
call him. We need to kick him for this playoff push.
Oh am I wrong? No, no, no, no, that's that's
(17:55):
a that's a given.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I mean if a team needs, if a teams need
is extreme, they go extreme measures. He's a Hall of
Fame kicker. There's nothing about his talent, nothing about any
of that at all. Like that's part of the NFL. Yes,
they will hire you if they need you. I'm just
The thing that baffles me about this is just the
(18:17):
complexity to both of these stories. They're both complex, they're
both rumors, but one just we we covered it at nauseum,
right yep, this one was not that. And just because
he's a kicker, and just because he's on his way
out the league or possibly out the league, that's not
the point.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
The point is cover it the same.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
And that's the part that it just I don't like
saying your t shirt keeps, it turns into a soup
and your voice starting to sound.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
More of a dream than One day you do something
wrong and everybody's gonna talk about the wrong is wrong,
and I hear you and I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
But unfortunately, man, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Somebody else can do something and somebody, you know, whatever
the thing is, whether because they're more famous, or they're
in a bigger team, or it's a race thing, whatever,
we just America will pick and choose who they choose
to make, you know, an example of, or be the
hot topic, or it just happens that way. Because if
(19:17):
you're justin Tucker, to you, he they ain't talking about
me too too much? Right, It's crazy, but.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Think about it, right now in the world that we
live in, where it is hot topics, it is whatever's
trending is the thing.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Let me have all these entertainment people getting you know,
getting called out every other week and it's hot for
that moment, and you get it. I think that's the
other part of it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Though.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
We live in the world right now where everything is
such a hot topic and everything is so quick, and
the news feed turns over so quick. I think that
may be Oh no, no, no, let me tell you something.
So there's a there's a whole La City council craziness
that happened a couple of years back. They got caught
in some racist stuff on tape. Now you live here,
so maybe you might remember.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And I won't get into all that, but right, anyway,
one person actually, well, Kevin DeLeon, and he was on
he was part of the tape, and you know there
was some racist stuff going on, and everybody else kind
of bowed out.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I'm gonna resign or you know, because that's.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
What you do historically, right, you get caught up in
a scandal, you you fall on the sword.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Forgive me, I was wrong, No, no, no, no, right.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
One thing we've learned, especially with politicians lately, they have
learned what you said, the news cycle will end. I'll
push through. I'll stand on this for a minute. You
guys will forget you move on. We'll go on to
the next, you know, big topic. You'll go on to
the next scandal. And here I'll stand right. And that
has happened so many different people. Kind of the shame
is gone. It's like, yeah, I did that, My bad,
(20:41):
I was crazy. So what you resigned? No, I'm good,
you're stepping down. And I think if you just stand
on business now, even if the business is wrong nowadays,
we'll go that's wrong, that's wrong. Oh, there's the other thing,
and we'll move on to whatever the hot topic is.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You see a lot of people staying in positions were historic.
They would do the you know, I'm sorry, I did that,
and I mean and then I'm gonna bow down and
I'm gonna pass the baton.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
And now that's not happening nowadays.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
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Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're the perfect person to be here because you played
many years in the NFL and you inexperience. Maybe you
experience a little bit of what I want to get
you here, and that is when you have fans.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
If you recall, Marte was heckled by a fan.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
They said something about his mother who was late, his
late mother, and he kind of had a breakdown emotional moment.
To me, it looked more so like I'm frustrated, I
can't do anything about it. I'm insulted, I'm hurt angered.
All that kind of rolled up in one and the
tears looked a little bit more like you know what
I mean, Like I want to do something, but I can't.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
MLB comes down they say that this twenty year old
fan would be banned in definitely.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
From MLB ballparks. Wow, so they did come down hard.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But Rob g knows how much my disdain goes and
how deep it is for fans who act like idiots
in ballpark stadium and arenas. I don't think you understand
how bad my disdain is for this. Let me articulate it.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Do it?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You hear you.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's the only place in life were full fledged grown
adults are allowed to be kids.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You could also argue maybe American politics it's the only
place where you are allowed to be violent. And people go, well,
you paid the cost to be violent, or based on
the person who is the victim, their income level, we go, oh,
man up, Carros in the NFL, he's making a million.
(23:00):
He'd be all right that you threw a battery at him,
that you dump popcorn on him, don't that you threw
beer at him, that you flicked him off, you called
him then word you said, his mom, his late mothers
of this. It's the only but we work here Fox
Sports Radio, we work at iHeartMedia. Nobody can come in
here right now and throw a battery at me, a
(23:21):
snowball at me and it just goes. You know, just
got to take it, man. You know you make millions,
not that I make millions, but you get the point.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And it's the most asinine thought that we put the
onus on the athlete, the human, the person in that position,
the victim, and we go, oh, just man up, you'll
be all right.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So what you get paid.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Whereas any other any other profession, the assailant is held
and judge based off of those actions that adult.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So I don't get it. I never will.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I don't sit at me And Rob just argued a
couple of weeks ago about this because I'm firm believer
and if I'm sitting here trying to be cool, I'm
in profession.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm passionate.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
We want you guys to play hard. You care about
this day, your blessed one and tears are in it.
And it's outsider who paid fifty nine to ninety nine
for a ticket gets to throw a beer at me,
and I'm supposed to go, okay, it takes like a
Budweiser and just be all right with it. It's crazy
to me, and that you can insult my late mother
is crazy to me. Help me understand why people are
(24:24):
actually okay with this and why people expect the athletes
to be gandhi in this case.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
You know, like the number one thing with this is
people use it as an outlet, right, Like obviously they're
in their nine to five jobs or whatever they're doing
outside of you know, that arena. They're going to see
this is their moment to step outside of that reality
and step into this reality. That it's fair game for
(24:54):
me to do whatever I want to do to the athlete, right,
I understand that part of it doesn't make it right,
absolutely not, So I think that kind of comes with
the territory. But I think the ultimate thing that gives
them the courage to do these things is the alcohol.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
I think being belligerent at these games and not really
being in sound mind and body is the reason this happens, right.
But then obviously the other thing that goes that's attached
to that is they see those gladiators or those people
in the sport as that and so if I can
(25:32):
get under the skin of that person or I can
do XYZ to that person, there's an elevation to their
mystique as well as a human And so when you
look at those things like that, it's very easy for
me to see it as what it is. But when
you're talking somebody about their dead mother, like, there has
(25:54):
to be a line. Obviously he can't do anything to you,
and you know that, so you feel compere oled or
to do it. Hope that yeah, right right right, We've
seen it happen the mallets in the Palace. We've seen
you can't mess with everybody, And so I think when
you get to see these things and these scenarios happen
like there is there are, there are consequences to this,
(26:15):
and I think if you get some of these players
at the wrong time or the right time, you will
find out. And for me, so I'm I'm a proponent
of just be human in every aspect of your life.
If you're going to see a game, go enjoy it.
Be loud, be rowlly. Wat's what you're saying. These are
human beings that are going through it motion just like
you are. Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I showed up on Sunday, I showed up on a
Tuesday in the NBA, showed up on the NBA MLB.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You don't know what it took me to get here.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Child could be sick, my mother could be going through it,
money issues, going through a divorce, like there's a million
things that could be going on, and you coming in
just because you get you know, I hate my ninety
five and I'm drunk, I say whatever, And you know
it also drives me crazy. Is that oftentimes when you
look at stuff that happens, and then we do the
(27:05):
documentary Mouths of the Palace, what do you find out, Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Man, I was having alcoholism. I was an alcoholic.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's like all these people get to go and be
saw some and normally the folks who are doing it,
the folks who are fighting at games where you're sitting
there with your five year old boy or girl.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, usually you know, I was going through some issues
in my life, so it's like this is their moment.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Uh huh, Well they get the spas out of that crazy,
but I have to be the recipient of their pain
and hurt and lack of therapy.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And it drives it just drives me crazy because most
people go and have a good time and they might
you suck.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Okay, I'm cool with that, yo, light them up, do
this you know, boo, you did it?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, I'm cool with all that, right, But once you
start calling people racial slurs and talking about their late
mother and doing this, it's like more you know what
they say, They say, give somebody a bunch of money,
find out who they really are. To me, I say,
give somebody a little bit of alcohol, take them to
a sporting event, find out who they really are. Because
there's a lot of people are going to go have
(28:03):
a good time. Whooa man, we had a great game.
When you want to go next and there's a lot
of people going to get you show you their real character,
and it just blows me away. And so man, you know,
I just saw that and again to see him in tears, frustrated.
You had his coaches and everybody kind of had to
come out with solo. Man, that's just weird. It's just
strange to me. And I'm always blown away at how
(28:23):
the leagues and I get it right. The fans paid
for all of this and the idea of that we
want these folks to come and you know, not feel like, hey,
I might go get beat up if I say you suck,
But I just feel like, man, you also got to
protect your players.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, the NBA has gotten better. I'll give them credit.
They have. They've gotten better.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
These players will be like yo, yo, yo, my man
right there, he said blah blah blah blah blah blah
he did blah blah blah. He just I see him.
He's fawming at the mouth in my wife's ear at
the game.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You know. And they've gotten better at that. I'll give
them credit.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And the reason they had to get better is because
their fans are too close to the action, and that's
the that's the that's the caveat right.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
MLB and NFL, even tennis like this, they're some distance.
So the words they're saying, whatever it is, it's words
and things happen. So that's a little different. The NBA
is you had to, you had to. They're right up
on you.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
But I just yeah it again, man, I just I'm
blown away by these aren't high schoolers, right, these are
oftentimes forty fifty sixty.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Year old grown men. Act.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I'm like grown women. I'm blown away getting in the
fights a game? What are you fighting on? Why are
we forty eight knuck it up at a game? And
my my saying always has been this because you played
in this particular sport, y'all fighting over men and tights
who don't even know you, don't know you at all,
and you were in there.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You know the raiders, suck rubs, you know it, lions.
My nose broken and you gotta come home.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
She's screaming because your nose is twisted and your nose
is on your cheekbone and you're blooded up and you
gotta explain it.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Why you fight?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, he shaid our receiver sucks. I know, that's not
why we at the hospital right now with this hospital
bill exactly because and you're embarrassed and you got fired
from your job because they saw it because he said
this receiver sucked. Well, I mean, you know, I'm like, man,
it's just I'll never understand that. Maybe I'm wrong. No,
you're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I just think there is there's levels to it, obviously,
and the things that you know, once it started getting
really personal and stuff like that, obviously that's part of
the trash talk that happens.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
But come on, man, be respectable.
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