November 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us it’s looking increasingly likely that the Kansas City Chiefs will wind up missing the playoffs altogether, and debate whether it's fair to say that Shedeur Sanders has been getting a raw deal in Cleveland. Plus, former Pro Bowl wide receiver and ‘Up on Game’ co-host TJ Houshmandzadeh swings by to discuss all the biggest headlines to come out of Week 11 in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Couple and rob G. There is a team that went
to the Super Bowl. Well one of them is rolling
at eight and two, the Chiefs, No, the Eagles, and
the other one is scruggling, struggling, struggling at five and five.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Who would that be, Rob G. That would be the
Kansas City Chieftains.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Did you see the way I didn't give it all
the way away?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It's fine, strawggling. Now you mentioned that they lost.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It was a tough game coming off of buy which
makes it even more an excuse me.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I thought that what's his name, Andy Wee is unbelievable
coming off what they say.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
That's what they said, and apparently not.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Patrick Mahomes threw a pick six, got overturned and he's like,
you know, I'll throw another one later on in the drive.
Will make it right, so don't worry about it. It was
one of those games for the Chiefs. But the big story,
I mean, obviously the game is the game. We'll get
to that later. The big story is what's up next
for Kansas City. As of right now, NFL next Gen
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Stats pegs them as having a ten percent chance to
win the division. They're three and a half games back
of Denver, plus Denver now as the tiebreaker, at least
for now. More importantly, however, teams that start the season
five and five historically only make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Nine percent of the time. Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
And if that wasn't bad enough, if Kansas City were
to make the postseason, and let's say they don't win
the division, but hey, we can get in as a wildcard.
We got one extra team from a couple of years ago.
We'll sneak as a wildcard above Kansas City. The three
wildcard teams right now seven and three Buffalo Bills, seven
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and four, LA Chargers, six and four Jacksonville Jaguars. All
three of those teams number one, have beaten Kansas City.
That's something. Number two. All three of those teams have
considerably easier schedules moving forward, which means it is possible,
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if not likely, that at least one, if not all three,
will win ten games. In that scenario, the Kansas City
Chiefs would have to win eleven games just to make
the postseason, which means winning six of the Lions six.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Seven. Yeah, I mean they are in between a rock
and a harbor. Yeah, that game yesterday was huge.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
All the way around. Yeah, that was a game they
needed to have. And I'm not gonna say I told
you so or anything.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
The season is not.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Over, but I told you so before the season started.
I did say they wouldn't make the playoffs. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I'm not. Also, you mentioned the Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
He has three red zone interceptions that basically have helped
him lose games. Yesterday was Terry Philly is one to
pick six Jacksonville, and then yesterday, which was a ten
point swing, you know what I mean. I mean, No,
that's huge from a touchdown and then a field goal
for them on the other end in a game you
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lose by three, it's a huge, huge. But last year
I talked about it. I don't know if I've seen different,
Rob g I've seen uh ten and oher in one
score games eleven and zero one score, and even ESPN
just had a said twelve and oher, you know in
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one score games.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Am I don't know if the people are including like
postseason and not saying it or something, but ESPN had twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Right, and I'm looking at it. We've been talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Eleven and at least we have and then Iver saw
somebody said ten. No, Well, the other thing too, is
a h and five and one score game. That's what
they used to be about. Don't let it be close
because guess what, they'll beat you in the end. And
when Kelsey got the touchdown, what happened? You thought, Oh
it is look at the magic Kelsey at least for
(04:22):
one game. Oh he's back. And then one one one
just didn't happen. And bow Knicks we talked about it.
Let me say I said this to you before. Defense
always gives you a shot at being in games. I
don't care what anybody says. If you have a D
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you always have a shot because the other team is
not gonna get enough points to run away from you,
you know. And then bow knicks a couple of big
throws that third down throw right, big catch and throw
throw and catch. But this what I'm saying, This doesn't
feel the same. It feels and I know we can
(05:06):
talk about it, you know, the end of a dynasty
or whatever. I just think that it ain't the same team.
I know you thought once he got the receivers back
that they were going to be a juggernaut offensively, and
they had a few games against some bad teams, but
that offense isn't the same. Patrick Mahomes isn't the same.
He hasn't been really the same for a while. And
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he had I'll give you three or four games this
year where he put lit up the scoreboard and you
can look at the opponents. I think they're well, they
beat the Lions and what other game? Only two teams
they're the same Lions. There's only two teams that they beat. Yeah,
got the beat.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And uh and the Ravens are five or five?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Who else?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And then as far as those types of went going
to beat through Commanders, they beat the Raiders, they beat
the you know you mentioned the Lions.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Uh, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean they lost to the Jacks, they beat the
they lost to the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
That being.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The lines of the Ravens and the Ravens are five
and five, and I get it, there are right, but
at that time they were bad when they beat them
on the.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Offensively, they were they were going trying to figure things out.
They were string.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
They were struggling big time. But but I don't know
where you want to.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know you felt good like they were going to
the super Bowl and they had and they had the
run that I thought offensively right, because we've seen this
season a lot of teams play down to other teams
and not do stuff, and they were.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
They were putting up big time points. I mean prior
to this game.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know, they obviously lose to the Bills, but then
they had twenty eight points, at thirty one points, at
thirty points, they had twenty eight points of their thirty
seven points of their offense. That got back to what
you kind of expected. And Patrick Mahomes was looking really
good to the tune of Vegas, which obviously they altered
that every other week or so, but he was up playing.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
He adn't MVP anymore. That's gone. That was a big game.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And that was a game to me to what we're
saying that they would typically win, and he they.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Were favorites on the road coming off to buy and
the idea that the Broncos had won seven in a row.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That's how much people believed believed in him. Yes, and
it was right there as you mentioned. But I have
to give credit to bow Knicks. First off, we already
know the Broncos defense is spectacular and that's what super
Bowl Camp.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
That has kept them in it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You look at the Eagles didn't have great game offensively
the last few but the defense keeps submitted. The Bears
to an extent, have had a couple of times where
the defense that kept you. And that's just a huge
party games. It's three facets of the game. Special teams, defense, offense.
Bow Knicks made the plays that you expect Patrick Mahomes
to make and so I give credit to him because
(07:38):
he made that throw reminded me of that Eli Manning
Mario Manningham type, Like that was a big time throw
he made on the edge there, deep pass got them
in field goal range and ultimately would kick the field
goal and win the game. But yeah, the Chiefs their
ability to not finish games, and you don't have to
be eleven and oh twelve and oh whatever it ended
up being last season, but you can't beat oh and five. Right,
(08:00):
you're two and two and three, you're three and two.
You had a whole different outcome. Now you got some leeway.
You cut yourself some slack if you do lose a
game or two and that, and so nobody's asking me
twelve and zero again, that's that's almost impossibility. But you
can't be this bad. You can't not finish games. And
some of this is Patrick Mahomes. Some of this is
the offensive. You know the schematics if you will, but
the defense has been solid enough to keep you in games.
(08:22):
You have an opportunity to win with Patrick Mahomes, and
they have it, and they haven't beaten good teams.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And I have the scary part, when you honestly look
at it, you gotta.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Say, who are they beating?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And teams are no The magic of the fear of
playing them is no longer there now if they get
to the postseason, whatever happens, you never know, but the
simply just the.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Fear of it is gone.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Teams have had to play them now for seven eight years,
whatever it's been with Patrick Mahomes in his run, Teams
ain't scared of them.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I just gave you the three examples Philly, h
Jacksonville and Bill and Denver and the Bills.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Don't forget the Bills too. Did he talk turn it
over there?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I say that the right but I'm just saying in
that one Mahomes gave it up red zone interception and
again last night was terrible, like he was right there,
just throw it away or the guy, I don't know
if he didn't see him. It was right in front
of him, doing right to him. So they're they're they're
in an unfamiliar territory. They're currently on the outside looking
at the postseason and this is gonna be a gut
(09:20):
check for them.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But this was supposed to be that moment right there.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It was like, Okay, we don't care what you've done, Broncos.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
We're the change. We've owned this division. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
If they would have been able to come in there
off the by beat them, the team right in their
seven game winning streak and it did not happen.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's Vegan.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Don't giveaway toe and half points at for a team
that's won seven games. They looked at the at the
at the the Broncos. Broncos just said, look out the
struggle offensively. Team man that defense, and it's about making plays.
I keep telling you all the time. It's not always
about style points are piling up stats and numbers.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
It's just about winning. And that's what they did. I'll
give them credit. They it's it's unusual.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Makes it weird because the Broncos are sean Payton team
and you expected to be the opposite defense cools, all right,
you know, but the defense in this case is the opposite.
Their defense is spectacular, uh, and they make just enough plays,
whether it be through the run or obviously through bow knicks.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
But if you look at the chief schedule, that coach,
game is gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Whether they won last night or yesterday or not, that's
a tough game, coach. And maybe it's at home for
the Chiefs, so maybe they feel it's winning their coach.
You know they're feeling like, all right, it's a big
game for us too, and we established themselves to coat
a little and the Cowboys will see what happens tonight.
But you know you're gonna have to beat them offensively.
You know, they're gonna try to score some points. Texans
are gonna be ugly. That's gonna be an ugly Mucket up.
(10:48):
It's gonna be very similar to the Broncos to me,
like both teams defensively playing good, a couple of turnovers
and then it Chargers and then okay, they'll be the Titans.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
But then right back at the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know, it's crazy you said that the Titans actually
have Like, don't they have a better record?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Or they five and five too? The Titans? What are they? No,
the Titans are?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
What am I thinking of? What's Titans youre talking about?
Youmb you're talking about Remember the Titans?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I thought that what they want? They've won games?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Play?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
What's the record?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Now?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I thought they were you're thinking of the Texans? Am
I thinking of the five and five? Okay, they're five
and five. I'm remember I thought he was talking about
the Denzel Waxington Titans. I'm like, Titans one nine, Texas Texans.
That's why I said that's gonna be ugly. You know
what that'll be like a tough matchup between the Texans.
Texans are one of the teams. What's the Panthers record?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Five and five? They've won?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, that's what That's what I was thinking of the
Panthers six and five okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
It with the Panthers. I was thinking, I knew it
was one of those teams.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
One of those like but I knew like I was
like one of these bad team historically, you know, bad teams.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I talked to you wanted to add something. I just
got some numbers for you. Guys.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You've been this whole what fourteen minutes IM talking about
chie and the emphasis has been, Hey, they're just not
winning these games. They're not closing the games. This is
supposed to be what they do historically, especially last season.
The Athletic published the whole piece about it. Through the
first ten games this year versus last year, the Chiefs,
averaging more points per game, giving up less points per game,
(12:20):
have a wider point differential in a positive way. EPA
is better offensively defensive, EPA better defensively. Turnover margin. They
were minus five this time last year. They're plus three
this time this year. The difference is once score games,
they were undefeated, they're nine to one. This year they
lose them all.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
They're five and five, So would they be they'd be
what ten and zero if they would have won those ones?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
By every metric, they are better this year than they
were just crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I mean, you're the show, they're better. That's not even
what they were, very very hard to watch it.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, but but but what plays are you giving up?
And I just gave you three? You know what I mean?
In the games a round and there's three right there.
And that's what I would not have hung my hat on.
Would be mishaps from Patrick or just a team in
general losing and making bad play Travis Kelsey's fumbled or
not running into your teammate or just little players that
(13:15):
you'd be like, all right, a team might beat them,
they're not gonna go undefeated, but not shooting themselves in
the foot. And they become cheddar Bob shooting themselves in
the leg lately, which is uncommon for this team. Now
they're in a position where what max two more games
they can lose max and that might be pushing to them.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And just to give the full contact what was going
on with the Kansas City Chiefs. Historically, you get the
ball four minutes, five minutes leven the game, Patrick Mahomes
is gonna do some game winning field game on the
touches on whatever. Yesterday four minutes left Chass to lead
a game winning drive they didn't gain a single.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yard, which is crazy, that's crazy. Three and out punt,
never got the ball back.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, now they put themselves in a position. Rob again,
they win that one. Okay, we got a you know,
nice little cushion. They're in a position where now max
they lose if they they might to your earlier port, Robbers,
it might be six.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
The other teams makes it even tougher.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
What what's the what's the bigger call for me that
I said the Chiefs would make the playoffs or the
Lions like which I.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Think the Lions that the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But I'm just saying three season for me to go
on the limb on to a team that are perennial
going to the playoffs the last few years is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Probably the Chiefs. They dominated that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That's that's who they are. The Lions might go lying
and you be like, all right, it's.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
The chief and you could have said coming in, like
how you did that division? The NFC North is, if
not the best division, it's one of the best divisions.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I don't like the Bears either, rob they get them.
My nerves like them either.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
They're not that good, but they keep winning, which is
you know which is That's what the teams I meant
to talk to my job have time. You know, I
love we know you love by McDonald's over here anyway.
By point, there's teams that are like eight to two
and not the Eagles, the Broncos, the Bears, a handful
of team I'm like, I just do don't buy them,
but they're winning.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight
seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. You
know you could give me love and say, rob you
told us so. No, I'm saying it ain't over yet.
Do you still believe in the Chiefs and will they
make the playoffs this season or not?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Where are you? What are you saying?
Speaker 6 (15:21):
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Speaker 4 (15:23):
Where are you? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, man?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, I want you yes, yeah, confidently yeah, rob G.
Yes to they Chiefs make the playoffs? Yes or no?
Rob G, Chiefs make the playoff? I want you on
the record, yes or no?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
No? Okay, yep, you got two no's in one. Yes. Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (16:54):
Another odds that Shador Sanders isn't going to make the
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
How's that that? I'm very good, very good way to
be going. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Let him have two more good games, two games the
rest of the season. He might be a good game
with's the first down, slow down?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I said, He's gonna have to really do better the
next tea. People in Cleveland got their wish, they got their.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Mad did Shador Sanders played an entire half of football
for the Cleveland Browns, and he looked horrible all right,
four for sixteen passing forty seven yards.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Don't forget he completed his first two. He did so.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
He actually finished two or fourteen there at the end,
with an interception and the thirteen and a half passer rated.
He was sacked twice, including his sack fumble, thankfully recovered
by his own team, so it wasn't a second turnover.
He also had one intentional grounding call.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
His thirteen and a half passer rating marked the lowest
passer rating by any player with at least fifteen at
tenths at NFL debut since the immortal Brandon Whedon.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And twelve who even Shador himself.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Despite what your favorite NFL report what it will say said,
he had a rough game.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
It was a tough game, all bad in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yes, unless you want to blame everybody other than Shador,
which is the conversation going around, even the guys like
Rex Ryan I saw and the issue I had saying
I had to put on my son.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I was waiting. I'm like, look at you, but you
were not talking about his teeth turn a new leaf.
I don't know who you are right now. I put
the sun. Okay, now that feels right now, so I
can at least look at him.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
But my point is he's talking about all about you know,
how they prepared him or didn't give him any.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Stabs and how like like he.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Didn't he couldn't explain it, but he said it was
weird or strange.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I can't remember exactly the word that he used.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Dan Orlascu, who played a long time as a backup set, No,
it ain't. I didn't get snaps and I was a
veteran guy who was a backup for a long time.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I didn't get snaps with the first team. It did,
it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So I guess it's different depending on the coach and
the organization or whatever. And people have just forgot that
these are two young quarterbacks drafted the same draft you
want to get And I mentioned as the tej you
want to get Dylan Gabriel as many snaps as you
can to get him. If you picked him, you drafted
him third in Shador fifth. And then the other thing too,
(19:24):
is if the roles were reversed and Shadoor was named
the star, they got a concussion and Dylan Gabriel came
in and had that performance, people would say he can't play.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And then you know what I mean, Oh, look did
you see see? I told you he can't play.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Like that is the conversation that I'm convinced people will have.
And I understand people have a soft spot for Shador
because of Dion, and it does because if his name
was Joe Smith, it wouldn't be the same. It's because
it's Dion's kid, and people like Dion.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
And for a good reason.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Okay, Dion was a Hall of Fame football player played
Major League Baseball, hit a home run and scored a
touchdown and again in the same day for two different
teams and two different major league sports. Like, he's that guy.
But to just pin it and say it's because of
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not getting reps or fumbling the ball or you know,
or whatever it is, because had he drove the team
down and scored the touchdown at the end, no one
would have brought up about not having the snaps and
all the other stuff that people use. It would have
been like, see, I told you he could play. Look
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at what he did. He beat the Ravens, he marched
down the field, whatever, whatever like. It was set up
for Chador to do that and have a chance to
have a different conversation, but it didn't. It didn't materialize,
and there was a lot of stuff that didn't work out.
My point is just this. For people to think that
(21:02):
uh Stefanski and the brain trust at the Browns have
come up with a scheme so that Shador can't succeed,
it is ludicrous to me.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's it's against everything.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That goes into sports where an organization hasn't been able
to find a quarterback uh and develop one or whatever
in a long time. And it just doesn't make any sense.
If that kid really was the real deal, they were
to put him in and I and I can't for
the life of me not think of Tom Brady and
(21:43):
the Raiders, like, like, seriously, this is somebody who work
with Shador.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Who claims to be you know, a mentor right to
Shador Gino? Is that is that really?
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Should okay?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like they want to know part of him him and
they could have easily had him a couple times in
the draft.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
So I looked at it. Am I saying he can't play.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Of course he can play play major college football, but
stop making excuses for Shador.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Guess what?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Just forget about everything else and just look at his play.
He played poorly. There's no other way up. Did you
could look at it? He played poorly period. I think
two things can be true. I think he played. Let
me not say that he played poorly. I don't think
he did play poorly. He left.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And what's crazy I was talking Robb g about this
that touchdown opportunity he had. If he hits that receiver
in the end zone there who had a nice distance
between and the defender, that changes things, right, because then
you stop looking at the completion percentage, you say, hey,
they're right back in this thing. I don't remember if
they would had a lead at that point, but it'd
have been right. They had have tied the game up
right there. Big play was like, yeah, it was a
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moment he missed that throw. You that has to what
were watching? I think off camera you said Geno Smith
had an opportunity, Like, man, he's got to make that
throw in the end zone. You gotta make those strows.
Those are what pro quarterbacks do. So he played miserably
for most of that game, had a few plays here
or there that were, you know, some nice plays, some
couple completions, you know, way he checked down a couple
of times. It's okay, there's some things left desirable. However,
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the other side of this is there is something to
be thrown in in a second half when you never
have gotten snaps. And Cam Newton had this to say,
kind of as a quarterback and with his excit men,
you brought it up. Each team might be different. Here's
what he said his experience being the starter, but what
it was like for his backup.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
This is the thing that really irks me the most
is because he doesn't get any reps circa twenty fifteen
circle when Cam Newton was the MVP Circle, when.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Hey, nobody needed to know that majority of.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
My career was probably the biggest blessing of my career
to have a veteran in Derek Anderson, Rob Rivera still
new we're one playaway kid from you not being available.
We would have anywhere from six to twelve reps in
every single practice. That allowed Derek to still have an
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ability to say, hey.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
If it goes how it goes.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Not granted, someone.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Say well, Cam, you played the position any different.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Well, what is that to say about properity?
Speaker 10 (24:20):
Well, what is that to say about any other quarterback
that's here?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You plan for the what if in this league.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
So you brought up a great point.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I believe if we asked thirty two teams there would
be something that will say I never got snapped.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
And he played for the lines for a long time.
Not making that story up.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Rob g with talking to every of the old joke
about what they Payton Manning. They're basically saying his backup
never gets many reps. They said why, they said, because
if eighteen.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Go out, we're screwed. Essentially, the paraphrase that and keep
my job.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So I do think organizations are different, but it makes
this one strange to me. Is Dylan Gabriel you say
needs all the snaps? I say, hasn't? Why me to
the point if I'm them saying where we should be
giving both snaps to just a few, just a few,
Dylan gabors our starter, You get a few because you're
both rookies. We're both trying to see what you got
to see who our guy is Dylan to start in practice, though, well,
(25:15):
I want to want to watch him go up against
the ones, is what I'm saying. So Dylan, you're starting,
That's not a question. You are a starter. You're getting
ninety five ninety ninety five. We want to see just
a few, because hey, your rookie is not You're not
Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Will we know goodwill you
know you are everything? You might have a bad two
three game stretch. We want to see what this guy has.
So I'm more shocked that they haven't given him a
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few reps just simply because Dylan Gabriel is your quarterback,
and that means you don't have a quarterback as of
right now, because he hasn't played that great. He still
deserves to be a starter. I'm not saying as long
as he's healthy. Also, it'll be interesting. You brought it
up with the people being like, man, something going on
with this team, and they it is something about it
just feels like they almost have buyer remorse immediately. Maybe
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it's justifiable, Maybe there's something to you. Maybe it's maybe
they don't like the man or stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
He says. I don't know, but it does feel.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like they could cut him if they really like, like, sir,
what are they holding on for?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Seriously?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
No, no, no, But I'm just they could cut him.
It ain't about selling no jersey. You sold all the
jersey you want to. You're done with that. If it
was about a PRS, he's not playing, we don't even
talk about him up until his point because he wasn't playing,
so you didn't get any extra juice. If you really
don't want the guy in the building or don't want him,
or you looked at him.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
That's what you were like, he's here, but we're not
young ho about it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
That's what it feels.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, But I'm just saying the idea that you would
you would have a talent in your building and ignore
him because you're trying there's some bigger power or some
bigger oh you know, because for all the people, and
you were one of them, Oh this doesn't make sense
to me, you know, and all this and and and
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there's conspiracy or whatever. And then you find out that
teams did call, and they and he said, I don't
want to go to Baltimore. I don't want to go
to Philly. I don't want to go to teams that
have starting court. Well, well that's why he kept dropping.
But they actually but but but but people were saying
it was because they were trying to make a make
a point or the league was trying to say, you
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know what I mean, like put him in his place.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I still believe that plays a role. The Ravens calls
for him.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'm just saying, because the Ravens actually, and you're gonna
sit behind Lamar Jackson. Which is the irony is that
this would have been he would have started, because Lamar
missed a handful of games. But the Ravens are an
organization that have done things differently. Look, they took Lamar
Philly and those are both teams that have a quarterback
I had some you know, have had they took in
Mike Vick some years ago. They don't mind maybe some
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of the what comes with that. So that might have
been his own, you know, doing to not want to
go and back up those guys because they look at
their projected starters for a year.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But people made it that the NFL sent out the
word not to draft him.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But that doesn't make sense that actually, but we get
that explanation later. It at least makes sense because there
had to be some explanation why guy that for a
long time was talking as the first rounder, okay, maybe
a second rounder the third dropped on a fourth to fifth.
So at least that even if that's what happened, that
makes sense. There's some type of explanation as to how
we got to know.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
But but then if the NFL wanted to put the
cop boss, he would have been drafted at all. I
don't understand why would he be drafted at all if
they wanted to put him in his play.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I still believe that there are people who didn't like
his disposition, not that they're saying he done didn't need
to be drafted, but I don't there's something about him
I don't like or I don't like his disposition?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Is his attitude still NFL quarterback and he's in the game.
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So I want to see if he gets his first
starter position where he gets the one snaps, and I
want to see what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
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Speaker 4 (29:00):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Who's Masada? I can't say, but I can't say, bos TJ?
Up brod, what's happening?
Speaker 8 (29:08):
What's up feeling?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
He?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Hey, we got to get a couple of things. Definitely,
we want to chop it up with you. We were
just talking about the Chiefs before the season started. I
had them not making the playoffs. What's your gauge on them?
They don't win those games? They used to win all
the close games, Patrick Mahomes at the end, you give
them the ball with three four minutes, you losing those
days don't seem to be around anymore.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
What's your read on it? Because that was coming off
of buy and that was a big game. TJ.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
The thing I didn't have the Chiefs winning the division.
I just couldn't. I guess I didn't have the guests
to say they would make the playoffs, right that to
say that with the Chiefs. But they're just not They're
not good. They're not as good as they used to
be or last year the ball bouncer what they want.
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They're eleven and one score games. I believe this year
are on fine god to be the playoff team. And
so every team they play, they gonna get the best
shot of every team they played. And they're just not
making the right plays at the right time. Like that
pick that Mahomes do in the red zone when he
had the back going into the end zone and the
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corner pulled off, that was like did he really make
that throw?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
And that was a ten point swing.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
A huge swing. And think about this, they're five and five.
They played the Coats, who are really good next, and
then they played the lowly Cowboys, and then they played
the Texans with cy Strout with a great defense. They
lose those two games. They lose to the Coats, they
lose to the Texans. They might not make it because
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after the Texans, they played the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That they Broncos a game, right, Yeah, yeah, Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
And so Robin, I will say this, that was a
great call by you because the percentage and the prospects
of them making the playoffs ain't looking good right now.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
It's not they we were talking about earlier. I said
maybe two two losses, that's max they probably came and
that might even be pushing it.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I want to go to another game that happened last night,
which was the Eagles beating the Lions. I wanted we
were talking about it, the Keta beating Jack Goffer is
out there beyond it's pressure. He can't scramble, he can't
get out of it like all these other quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Do you get after him? He's right on it. It's
a whole different game plan.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Was that just a great defense that they went against,
because the last two games they lost were against some
of the best defense in the league in the Vikings
and the Eagles. Is that sustainable for other teams to
get at them like that or is it just those
were just two great teams?
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Oh? No, it's the great teams because if it was
that easy, everybody would pressure the Detroit Lions and they
would do absolutely nothing. You pressure from if you want
some when they start throwing them slip screens the Jamier
Giz and you see how he was gashing Eagles. The
Eagles are just good enough to where is long as
Jamior Giz on score, they can still stop you. The
Eagles are so good because the Eagles didn't play well offensively.
(32:07):
Third defense is just so damn good. And it's like
Dan Campbell, your defense was very good.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yep, kick, thank you, thank you. Come on, TJ. You
don't have to be a football coach for that. You
know you're in a tight.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Game, right It went oer for five? I believe on
four it was over followed.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
What do you ask him?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Let me ask you if you're on the team, your receiver,
your Pro Bowl, or you're doing your thing.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You're saying I'm say anything. Do you yeah? Or do
you love that he trust you? Which which one is it?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Man?
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Listen all this love I trust my teammates or my
offensive score? Listen, man, I'm trying to win the game.
If I feel like I can't say nothing to the
head coach, which on the majority of all my teams
I could have said something to them, I probably would
have it on TJ. And if I can't, I'm going
to the quarterback like, hey, bron your coach to kick
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the field.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Goal, these points, get these points on there, let's go here.
And you know, I'm tired of hearing like the Browns
want to win. They got a coach in the GM.
Come on with the They set up Schador to fail.
They don't want him to play, or they don't want
him to succeed or whatever. How come he just can't
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Shador had a bad game. He'd he completed his first
two and then was two for fourteen, had a pick,
hold on to the ball too long. I mean, what
you watch. I'm not saying that one game makes you
or breaks you. But he didn't look good in that game.
Why can't it just be he didn't play well in
his first game in the NFL, rather than he don't
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get no snaps and they didn't they didn't know his
cadence and.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
They didn't every excuse other than he didn't play well.
Is it okay to say he didn't play well.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
I believe anybody that watched that game and they're honest,
will say he did not play well.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Know, he didn't play well. But there's always a butt
to this. Rod you know how hard it is to
go in the game when you've never really thrown to
any of these guys and be effective. Let alone, you're
a rookie and this is the first time you've ever
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played in the National Football League in a regular season game.
That's hard. Look at Kirk Cousins, he's a veteran. He
got into the game. They had to lead what he
do and so it's not easy whether you're a vet
or a rookie. But when you're a rookie and you
have yet to play in the National Football League in
a regular season game and you get thrust into that
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position against a team that's fighting.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
For their life, there was this moment, though, the moment
was there to win that game at the end, I'm
just saying it was.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
You're a rookie. You're a rookie, and I'm gonna tell
you this. People act like that. Cadence don't matter, man.
You got you got some quarterbacks. Let me so. Cadence
is color number. Color numbers set us so green eighty
green eighty to that that's one, green eighty green eighty
to go that's two, or you may just get first down.
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And they snapped the ball every quarterback cadence is different,
you know, Lie. It takes time to get used to that. Now,
that's no excuse he didn't play well, But when you're
not getting any reps, it doesn't make it any easier
to play well.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I get the reps thing, but maybe they've watched him.
And here's the thing that that that we have to
look at two rookie quarterbacks, right, and if you've picked
Dart right, then you want to get him as many
reps as possible because you're trying. Abriel you mean, I mean, yeah, Gabriel.
I'm sorry, Dylan, Gabriel. You get my point, right, So
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you want you've picked him, so you need to get
him as much as you can. So that's the reason.
Does that not make sense?
Speaker 8 (35:56):
I played a long time. Every team I've been on,
the backup, the backup has always got reps with the
starters in practice. Every team I've ever been on. If
we're go seven on seven and there's twelve plays, the
backup is gonna get two to four reps, maybe maybe
two or three. You go team, the backup is gonna
get two to three reps. Nine on seven, the backup
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is going to get reps with the starters here one
maybe one or two reps with the starters.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Okay, let me ask you this real quick, and we
got to run. Say he got some reps and he
still played that game. What would be the conversation today
if he if he got the reps and they heard
you wanted a few said he didn't play well, But
you talk to other people.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
It's everybody's reps.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
Reps are no reps. They still with a lost.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Okay, right, J Yes, go ahead, Bro. I was gonna say,
we're up against it.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Man. We appreciate.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I appreciate me and him gonna argue about that at
the top of the next hour, so I don't worry
about it. We'll argue about it. Uh you you just
may have my argument. So that's coming up. It's just
a bit DJ. I appreciate you, Bro, Thank you, no
doubt
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Couple and rob G. There is a team that went
to the Super Bowl. Well one of them is rolling
at eight and two, the Chiefs, No, the Eagles, and
the other one is scruggling, struggling, struggling at five and five.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Who would that be, Rob G. That would be the
Kansas City Chieftains.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Did you see the way I didn't give it all
the way away?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It's fine, strawggling. Now you mentioned that they lost.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It was a tough game coming off of buy which
makes it even more an excuse me.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I thought that what's his name, Andy Wee is unbelievable
coming off what they say.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
That's what they said, and apparently not.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Patrick Mahomes threw a pick six, got overturned and he's like,
you know, I'll throw another one later on in the drive.
Will make it right, so don't worry about it. It was
one of those games for the Chiefs. But the big story,
I mean, obviously the game is the game. We'll get
to that later. The big story is what's up next
for Kansas City. As of right now, NFL next Gen
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Stats pegs them as having a ten percent chance to
win the division. They're three and a half games back
of Denver, plus Denver now as the tiebreaker, at least
for now. More importantly, however, teams that start the season
five and five historically only make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Nine percent of the time. Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
And if that wasn't bad enough, if Kansas City were
to make the postseason, and let's say they don't win
the division, but hey, we can get in as a wildcard.
We got one extra team from a couple of years ago.
We'll sneak as a wildcard above Kansas City. The three
wildcard teams right now seven and three Buffalo Bills, seven
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and four, LA Chargers, six and four Jacksonville Jaguars. All
three of those teams number one, have beaten Kansas City.
That's something. Number two. All three of those teams have
considerably easier schedules moving forward, which means it is possible,
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if not likely, that at least one, if not all three,
will win ten games. In that scenario, the Kansas City
Chiefs would have to win eleven games just to make
the postseason, which means winning six of the Lions six.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Seven. Yeah, I mean they are in between a rock
and a harbor. Yeah, that game yesterday was huge.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
All the way around. Yeah, that was a game they
needed to have. And I'm not gonna say I told
you so or anything.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
The season is not.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Over, but I told you so before the season started.
I did say they wouldn't make the playoffs. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I'm not. Also, you mentioned the Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
He has three red zone interceptions that basically have helped
him lose games. Yesterday was Terry Philly is one to
pick six Jacksonville, and then yesterday, which was a ten
point swing, you know what I mean. I mean, No,
that's huge from a touchdown and then a field goal
for them on the other end in a game you
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lose by three, it's a huge, huge. But last year
I talked about it. I don't know if I've seen different,
Rob g I've seen uh ten and oher in one
score games eleven and zero one score, and even ESPN
just had a said twelve and oher, you know in
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one score games.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Am I don't know if the people are including like
postseason and not saying it or something, but ESPN had twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Right, and I'm looking at it. We've been talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Eleven and at least we have and then Iver saw
somebody said ten. No, Well, the other thing too, is
a h and five and one score game. That's what
they used to be about. Don't let it be close
because guess what, they'll beat you in the end. And
when Kelsey got the touchdown, what happened? You thought, Oh
it is look at the magic Kelsey at least for
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one game. Oh he's back. And then one one one
just didn't happen. And bow Knicks we talked about it.
Let me say I said this to you before. Defense
always gives you a shot at being in games. I
don't care what anybody says. If you have a D
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you always have a shot because the other team is
not gonna get enough points to run away from you,
you know. And then bow knicks a couple of big
throws that third down throw right, big catch and throw
throw and catch. But this what I'm saying, This doesn't
feel the same. It feels and I know we can
(05:06):
talk about it, you know, the end of a dynasty
or whatever. I just think that it ain't the same team.
I know you thought once he got the receivers back
that they were going to be a juggernaut offensively, and
they had a few games against some bad teams, but
that offense isn't the same. Patrick Mahomes isn't the same.
He hasn't been really the same for a while. And
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he had I'll give you three or four games this
year where he put lit up the scoreboard and you
can look at the opponents. I think they're well, they
beat the Lions and what other game? Only two teams
they're the same Lions. There's only two teams that they beat. Yeah,
got the beat.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And uh and the Ravens are five or five?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Who else?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And then as far as those types of went going
to beat through Commanders, they beat the Raiders, they beat
the you know you mentioned the Lions.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Uh, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean they lost to the Jacks, they beat the
they lost to the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
That being.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The lines of the Ravens and the Ravens are five
and five, and I get it, there are right, but
at that time they were bad when they beat them
on the.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Offensively, they were they were going trying to figure things out.
They were string.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
They were struggling big time. But but I don't know
where you want to.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know you felt good like they were going to
the super Bowl and they had and they had the
run that I thought offensively right, because we've seen this
season a lot of teams play down to other teams
and not do stuff, and they were.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
They were putting up big time points. I mean prior
to this game.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know, they obviously lose to the Bills, but then
they had twenty eight points, at thirty one points, at
thirty points, they had twenty eight points of their thirty
seven points of their offense. That got back to what
you kind of expected. And Patrick Mahomes was looking really
good to the tune of Vegas, which obviously they altered
that every other week or so, but he was up playing.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
He adn't MVP anymore. That's gone. That was a big game.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And that was a game to me to what we're
saying that they would typically win, and he they.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Were favorites on the road coming off to buy and
the idea that the Broncos had won seven in a row.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That's how much people believed believed in him. Yes, and
it was right there as you mentioned. But I have
to give credit to bow Knicks. First off, we already
know the Broncos defense is spectacular and that's what super
Bowl Camp.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
That has kept them in it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You look at the Eagles didn't have great game offensively
the last few but the defense keeps submitted. The Bears
to an extent, have had a couple of times where
the defense that kept you. And that's just a huge
party games. It's three facets of the game. Special teams, defense, offense.
Bow Knicks made the plays that you expect Patrick Mahomes
to make and so I give credit to him because
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he made that throw reminded me of that Eli Manning
Mario Manningham type, Like that was a big time throw
he made on the edge there, deep pass got them
in field goal range and ultimately would kick the field
goal and win the game. But yeah, the Chiefs their
ability to not finish games, and you don't have to
be eleven and oh twelve and oh whatever it ended
up being last season, but you can't beat oh and five. Right,
(08:00):
you're two and two and three, you're three and two.
You had a whole different outcome. Now you got some leeway.
You cut yourself some slack if you do lose a
game or two and that, and so nobody's asking me
twelve and zero again, that's that's almost impossibility. But you
can't be this bad. You can't not finish games. And
some of this is Patrick Mahomes. Some of this is
the offensive. You know the schematics if you will, but
the defense has been solid enough to keep you in games.
(08:22):
You have an opportunity to win with Patrick Mahomes, and
they have it, and they haven't beaten good teams.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And I have the scary part, when you honestly look
at it, you gotta.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Say, who are they beating?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And teams are no The magic of the fear of
playing them is no longer there now if they get
to the postseason, whatever happens, you never know, but the
simply just the.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Fear of it is gone.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Teams have had to play them now for seven eight years,
whatever it's been with Patrick Mahomes in his run, Teams
ain't scared of them.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I just gave you the three examples Philly, h
Jacksonville and Bill and Denver and the Bills.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Don't forget the Bills too. Did he talk turn it
over there?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I say that the right but I'm just saying in
that one Mahomes gave it up red zone interception and
again last night was terrible, like he was right there,
just throw it away or the guy, I don't know
if he didn't see him. It was right in front
of him, doing right to him. So they're they're they're
in an unfamiliar territory. They're currently on the outside looking
at the postseason and this is gonna be a gut
(09:20):
check for them.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But this was supposed to be that moment right there.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It was like, Okay, we don't care what you've done, Broncos.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
We're the change. We've owned this division. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
If they would have been able to come in there
off the by beat them, the team right in their
seven game winning streak and it did not happen.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's Vegan.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Don't giveaway toe and half points at for a team
that's won seven games. They looked at the at the
at the the Broncos. Broncos just said, look out the
struggle offensively. Team man that defense, and it's about making plays.
I keep telling you all the time. It's not always
about style points are piling up stats and numbers.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
It's just about winning. And that's what they did. I'll
give them credit. They it's it's unusual.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Makes it weird because the Broncos are sean Payton team
and you expected to be the opposite defense cools, all right,
you know, but the defense in this case is the opposite.
Their defense is spectacular, uh, and they make just enough plays,
whether it be through the run or obviously through bow knicks.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
But if you look at the chief schedule, that coach,
game is gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Whether they won last night or yesterday or not, that's
a tough game, coach. And maybe it's at home for
the Chiefs, so maybe they feel it's winning their coach.
You know they're feeling like, all right, it's a big
game for us too, and we established themselves to coat
a little and the Cowboys will see what happens tonight.
But you know you're gonna have to beat them offensively.
You know, they're gonna try to score some points. Texans
are gonna be ugly. That's gonna be an ugly Mucket up.
(10:48):
It's gonna be very similar to the Broncos to me,
like both teams defensively playing good, a couple of turnovers
and then it Chargers and then okay, they'll be the Titans.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
But then right back at the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know, it's crazy you said that the Titans actually
have Like, don't they have a better record?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Or they five and five too? The Titans? What are they? No,
the Titans are?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
What am I thinking of? What's Titans youre talking about?
Youmb you're talking about Remember the Titans?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I thought that what they want? They've won games?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Play?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
What's the record?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Now?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I thought they were you're thinking of the Texans? Am
I thinking of the five and five? Okay, they're five
and five. I'm remember I thought he was talking about
the Denzel Waxington Titans. I'm like, Titans one nine, Texas Texans.
That's why I said that's gonna be ugly. You know
what that'll be like a tough matchup between the Texans.
Texans are one of the teams. What's the Panthers record?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Five and five? They've won?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, that's what That's what I was thinking of the
Panthers six and five okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
It with the Panthers. I was thinking, I knew it
was one of those teams.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
One of those like but I knew like I was
like one of these bad team historically, you know, bad teams.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I talked to you wanted to add something. I just
got some numbers for you. Guys.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You've been this whole what fourteen minutes IM talking about
chie and the emphasis has been, Hey, they're just not
winning these games. They're not closing the games. This is
supposed to be what they do historically, especially last season.
The Athletic published the whole piece about it. Through the
first ten games this year versus last year, the Chiefs,
averaging more points per game, giving up less points per game,
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have a wider point differential in a positive way. EPA
is better offensively defensive, EPA better defensively. Turnover margin. They
were minus five this time last year. They're plus three
this time this year. The difference is once score games,
they were undefeated, they're nine to one. This year they
lose them all.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
They're five and five, So would they be they'd be
what ten and zero if they would have won those ones?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
By every metric, they are better this year than they
were just crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I mean, you're the show, they're better. That's not even
what they were, very very hard to watch it.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, but but but what plays are you giving up?
And I just gave you three? You know what I mean?
In the games a round and there's three right there.
And that's what I would not have hung my hat on.
Would be mishaps from Patrick or just a team in
general losing and making bad play Travis Kelsey's fumbled or
not running into your teammate or just little players that
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you'd be like, all right, a team might beat them,
they're not gonna go undefeated, but not shooting themselves in
the foot. And they become cheddar Bob shooting themselves in
the leg lately, which is uncommon for this team. Now
they're in a position where what max two more games
they can lose max and that might be pushing to them.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And just to give the full contact what was going
on with the Kansas City Chiefs. Historically, you get the
ball four minutes, five minutes leven the game, Patrick Mahomes
is gonna do some game winning field game on the
touches on whatever. Yesterday four minutes left Chass to lead
a game winning drive they didn't gain a single.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yard, which is crazy, that's crazy. Three and out punt,
never got the ball back.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, now they put themselves in a position. Rob again,
they win that one. Okay, we got a you know,
nice little cushion. They're in a position where now max
they lose if they they might to your earlier port, Robbers,
it might be six.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
The other teams makes it even tougher.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
What what's the what's the bigger call for me that
I said the Chiefs would make the playoffs or the
Lions like which I.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Think the Lions that the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But I'm just saying three season for me to go
on the limb on to a team that are perennial
going to the playoffs the last few years is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Probably the Chiefs. They dominated that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That's that's who they are. The Lions might go lying
and you be like, all right, it's.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
The chief and you could have said coming in, like
how you did that division? The NFC North is, if
not the best division, it's one of the best divisions.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I don't like the Bears either, rob they get them.
My nerves like them either.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
They're not that good, but they keep winning, which is
you know which is That's what the teams I meant
to talk to my job have time. You know, I
love we know you love by McDonald's over here anyway.
By point, there's teams that are like eight to two
and not the Eagles, the Broncos, the Bears, a handful
of team I'm like, I just do don't buy them,
but they're winning.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight
seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. You
know you could give me love and say, rob you
told us so. No, I'm saying it ain't over yet.
Do you still believe in the Chiefs and will they
make the playoffs this season or not?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Where are you? What are you saying?
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Where are you? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, man?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, I want you yes, yeah, confidently yeah, rob G.
Yes to they Chiefs make the playoffs? Yes or no?
Rob G, Chiefs make the playoff? I want you on
the record, yes or no?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
No? Okay, yep, you got two no's in one. Yes. Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (16:54):
Another odds that Shador Sanders isn't going to make the
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
How's that that? I'm very good, very good way to
be going. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Let him have two more good games, two games the
rest of the season. He might be a good game
with's the first down, slow down?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I said, He's gonna have to really do better the
next tea. People in Cleveland got their wish, they got their.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Mad did Shador Sanders played an entire half of football
for the Cleveland Browns, and he looked horrible all right,
four for sixteen passing forty seven yards.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Don't forget he completed his first two. He did so.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
He actually finished two or fourteen there at the end,
with an interception and the thirteen and a half passer rated.
He was sacked twice, including his sack fumble, thankfully recovered
by his own team, so it wasn't a second turnover.
He also had one intentional grounding call.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
His thirteen and a half passer rating marked the lowest
passer rating by any player with at least fifteen at
tenths at NFL debut since the immortal Brandon Whedon.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And twelve who even Shador himself.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Despite what your favorite NFL report what it will say said,
he had a rough game.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
It was a tough game, all bad in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yes, unless you want to blame everybody other than Shador,
which is the conversation going around, even the guys like
Rex Ryan I saw and the issue I had saying
I had to put on my son.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I was waiting. I'm like, look at you, but you
were not talking about his teeth turn a new leaf.
I don't know who you are right now. I put
the sun. Okay, now that feels right now, so I
can at least look at him.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
But my point is he's talking about all about you know,
how they prepared him or didn't give him any.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Stabs and how like like he.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Didn't he couldn't explain it, but he said it was
weird or strange.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I can't remember exactly the word that he used.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Dan Orlascu, who played a long time as a backup set, No,
it ain't. I didn't get snaps and I was a
veteran guy who was a backup for a long time.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I didn't get snaps with the first team. It did,
it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So I guess it's different depending on the coach and
the organization or whatever. And people have just forgot that
these are two young quarterbacks drafted the same draft you
want to get And I mentioned as the tej you
want to get Dylan Gabriel as many snaps as you
can to get him. If you picked him, you drafted
him third in Shador fifth. And then the other thing too,
(19:24):
is if the roles were reversed and Shadoor was named
the star, they got a concussion and Dylan Gabriel came
in and had that performance, people would say he can't play.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And then you know what I mean, Oh, look did
you see see? I told you he can't play.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Like that is the conversation that I'm convinced people will have.
And I understand people have a soft spot for Shador
because of Dion, and it does because if his name
was Joe Smith, it wouldn't be the same. It's because
it's Dion's kid, and people like Dion.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
And for a good reason.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Okay, Dion was a Hall of Fame football player played
Major League Baseball, hit a home run and scored a
touchdown and again in the same day for two different
teams and two different major league sports. Like, he's that guy.
But to just pin it and say it's because of
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not getting reps or fumbling the ball or you know,
or whatever it is, because had he drove the team
down and scored the touchdown at the end, no one
would have brought up about not having the snaps and
all the other stuff that people use. It would have
been like, see, I told you he could play. Look
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at what he did. He beat the Ravens, he marched
down the field, whatever, whatever like. It was set up
for Chador to do that and have a chance to
have a different conversation, but it didn't. It didn't materialize,
and there was a lot of stuff that didn't work out.
My point is just this. For people to think that
(21:02):
uh Stefanski and the brain trust at the Browns have
come up with a scheme so that Shador can't succeed,
it is ludicrous to me.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's it's against everything.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That goes into sports where an organization hasn't been able
to find a quarterback uh and develop one or whatever
in a long time. And it just doesn't make any sense.
If that kid really was the real deal, they were
to put him in and I and I can't for
the life of me not think of Tom Brady and
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the Raiders, like, like, seriously, this is somebody who work
with Shador.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Who claims to be you know, a mentor right to
Shador Gino? Is that is that really?
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Should okay?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like they want to know part of him him and
they could have easily had him a couple times in
the draft.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
So I looked at it. Am I saying he can't play.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Of course he can play play major college football, but
stop making excuses for Shador.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Guess what?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Just forget about everything else and just look at his play.
He played poorly. There's no other way up. Did you
could look at it? He played poorly period. I think
two things can be true. I think he played. Let
me not say that he played poorly. I don't think
he did play poorly. He left.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And what's crazy I was talking Robb g about this
that touchdown opportunity he had. If he hits that receiver
in the end zone there who had a nice distance
between and the defender, that changes things, right, because then
you stop looking at the completion percentage, you say, hey,
they're right back in this thing. I don't remember if
they would had a lead at that point, but it'd
have been right. They had have tied the game up
right there. Big play was like, yeah, it was a
(22:53):
moment he missed that throw. You that has to what
were watching? I think off camera you said Geno Smith
had an opportunity, Like, man, he's got to make that
throw in the end zone. You gotta make those strows.
Those are what pro quarterbacks do. So he played miserably
for most of that game, had a few plays here
or there that were, you know, some nice plays, some
couple completions, you know, way he checked down a couple
of times. It's okay, there's some things left desirable. However,
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the other side of this is there is something to
be thrown in in a second half when you never
have gotten snaps. And Cam Newton had this to say,
kind of as a quarterback and with his excit men,
you brought it up. Each team might be different. Here's
what he said his experience being the starter, but what
it was like for his backup.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
This is the thing that really irks me the most
is because he doesn't get any reps circa twenty fifteen
circle when Cam Newton was the MVP Circle, when.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Hey, nobody needed to know that majority of.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
My career was probably the biggest blessing of my career
to have a veteran in Derek Anderson, Rob Rivera still
new we're one playaway kid from you not being available.
We would have anywhere from six to twelve reps in
every single practice. That allowed Derek to still have an
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ability to say, hey.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
If it goes how it goes.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Not granted, someone.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Say well, Cam, you played the position any different.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Well, what is that to say about properity?
Speaker 10 (24:20):
Well, what is that to say about any other quarterback
that's here?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You plan for the what if in this league.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
So you brought up a great point.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I believe if we asked thirty two teams there would
be something that will say I never got snapped.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
And he played for the lines for a long time.
Not making that story up.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Rob g with talking to every of the old joke
about what they Payton Manning. They're basically saying his backup
never gets many reps. They said why, they said, because
if eighteen.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Go out, we're screwed. Essentially, the paraphrase that and keep
my job.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So I do think organizations are different, but it makes
this one strange to me. Is Dylan Gabriel you say
needs all the snaps? I say, hasn't? Why me to
the point if I'm them saying where we should be
giving both snaps to just a few, just a few,
Dylan gabors our starter, You get a few because you're
both rookies. We're both trying to see what you got
to see who our guy is Dylan to start in practice, though, well,
(25:15):
I want to want to watch him go up against
the ones, is what I'm saying. So Dylan, you're starting,
That's not a question. You are a starter. You're getting
ninety five ninety ninety five. We want to see just
a few, because hey, your rookie is not You're not
Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Will we know goodwill you
know you are everything? You might have a bad two
three game stretch. We want to see what this guy has.
So I'm more shocked that they haven't given him a
(25:35):
few reps just simply because Dylan Gabriel is your quarterback,
and that means you don't have a quarterback as of
right now, because he hasn't played that great. He still
deserves to be a starter. I'm not saying as long
as he's healthy. Also, it'll be interesting. You brought it
up with the people being like, man, something going on
with this team, and they it is something about it
just feels like they almost have buyer remorse immediately. Maybe
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it's justifiable, Maybe there's something to you. Maybe it's maybe
they don't like the man or stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
He says. I don't know, but it does feel.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like they could cut him if they really like, like, sir,
what are they holding on for?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Seriously?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
No, no, no, But I'm just they could cut him.
It ain't about selling no jersey. You sold all the
jersey you want to. You're done with that. If it
was about a PRS, he's not playing, we don't even
talk about him up until his point because he wasn't playing,
so you didn't get any extra juice. If you really
don't want the guy in the building or don't want him,
or you looked at him.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
That's what you were like, he's here, but we're not
young ho about it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
That's what it feels.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, But I'm just saying the idea that you would
you would have a talent in your building and ignore
him because you're trying there's some bigger power or some
bigger oh you know, because for all the people, and
you were one of them, Oh this doesn't make sense
to me, you know, and all this and and and
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there's conspiracy or whatever. And then you find out that
teams did call, and they and he said, I don't
want to go to Baltimore. I don't want to go
to Philly. I don't want to go to teams that
have starting court. Well, well that's why he kept dropping.
But they actually but but but but people were saying
it was because they were trying to make a make
a point or the league was trying to say, you
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know what I mean, like put him in his place.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I still believe that plays a role. The Ravens calls
for him.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'm just saying, because the Ravens actually, and you're gonna
sit behind Lamar Jackson. Which is the irony is that
this would have been he would have started, because Lamar
missed a handful of games. But the Ravens are an
organization that have done things differently. Look, they took Lamar
Philly and those are both teams that have a quarterback
I had some you know, have had they took in
Mike Vick some years ago. They don't mind maybe some
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of the what comes with that. So that might have
been his own, you know, doing to not want to
go and back up those guys because they look at
their projected starters for a year.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But people made it that the NFL sent out the
word not to draft him.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But that doesn't make sense that actually, but we get
that explanation later. It at least makes sense because there
had to be some explanation why guy that for a
long time was talking as the first rounder, okay, maybe
a second rounder the third dropped on a fourth to fifth.
So at least that even if that's what happened, that
makes sense. There's some type of explanation as to how
we got to know.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
But but then if the NFL wanted to put the
cop boss, he would have been drafted at all. I
don't understand why would he be drafted at all if
they wanted to put him in his play.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I still believe that there are people who didn't like
his disposition, not that they're saying he done didn't need
to be drafted, but I don't there's something about him
I don't like or I don't like his disposition?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Is his attitude still NFL quarterback and he's in the game.
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So I want to see if he gets his first
starter position where he gets the one snaps, and I
want to see what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
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Speaker 4 (29:00):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Who's Masada? I can't say, but I can't say, bos TJ?
Up brod, what's happening?
Speaker 8 (29:08):
What's up feeling?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
He?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Hey, we got to get a couple of things. Definitely,
we want to chop it up with you. We were
just talking about the Chiefs before the season started. I
had them not making the playoffs. What's your gauge on them?
They don't win those games? They used to win all
the close games, Patrick Mahomes at the end, you give
them the ball with three four minutes, you losing those
days don't seem to be around anymore.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
What's your read on it? Because that was coming off
of buy and that was a big game. TJ.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
The thing I didn't have the Chiefs winning the division.
I just couldn't. I guess I didn't have the guests
to say they would make the playoffs, right that to
say that with the Chiefs. But they're just not They're
not good. They're not as good as they used to
be or last year the ball bouncer what they want.
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They're eleven and one score games. I believe this year
are on fine god to be the playoff team. And
so every team they play, they gonna get the best
shot of every team they played. And they're just not
making the right plays at the right time. Like that
pick that Mahomes do in the red zone when he
had the back going into the end zone and the
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corner pulled off, that was like did he really make
that throw?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
And that was a ten point swing.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
A huge swing. And think about this, they're five and five.
They played the Coats, who are really good next, and
then they played the lowly Cowboys, and then they played
the Texans with cy Strout with a great defense. They
lose those two games. They lose to the Coats, they
lose to the Texans. They might not make it because
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after the Texans, they played the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That they Broncos a game, right, Yeah, yeah, Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
And so Robin, I will say this, that was a
great call by you because the percentage and the prospects
of them making the playoffs ain't looking good right now.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
It's not they we were talking about earlier. I said
maybe two two losses, that's max they probably came and
that might even be pushing it.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I want to go to another game that happened last night,
which was the Eagles beating the Lions. I wanted we
were talking about it, the Keta beating Jack Goffer is
out there beyond it's pressure. He can't scramble, he can't
get out of it like all these other quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Do you get after him? He's right on it. It's
a whole different game plan.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Was that just a great defense that they went against,
because the last two games they lost were against some
of the best defense in the league in the Vikings
and the Eagles. Is that sustainable for other teams to
get at them like that or is it just those
were just two great teams?
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Oh? No, it's the great teams because if it was
that easy, everybody would pressure the Detroit Lions and they
would do absolutely nothing. You pressure from if you want
some when they start throwing them slip screens the Jamier
Giz and you see how he was gashing Eagles. The
Eagles are just good enough to where is long as
Jamior Giz on score, they can still stop you. The
Eagles are so good because the Eagles didn't play well offensively.
(32:07):
Third defense is just so damn good. And it's like
Dan Campbell, your defense was very good.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yep, kick, thank you, thank you. Come on, TJ. You
don't have to be a football coach for that. You
know you're in a tight.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Game, right It went oer for five? I believe on
four it was over followed.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
What do you ask him?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Let me ask you if you're on the team, your receiver,
your Pro Bowl, or you're doing your thing.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You're saying I'm say anything. Do you yeah? Or do
you love that he trust you? Which which one is it?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Man?
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Listen all this love I trust my teammates or my
offensive score? Listen, man, I'm trying to win the game.
If I feel like I can't say nothing to the
head coach, which on the majority of all my teams
I could have said something to them, I probably would
have it on TJ. And if I can't, I'm going
to the quarterback like, hey, bron your coach to kick
(32:59):
the field.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Goal, these points, get these points on there, let's go here.
And you know, I'm tired of hearing like the Browns
want to win. They got a coach in the GM.
Come on with the They set up Schador to fail.
They don't want him to play, or they don't want
him to succeed or whatever. How come he just can't
(33:20):
Shador had a bad game. He'd he completed his first
two and then was two for fourteen, had a pick,
hold on to the ball too long. I mean, what
you watch. I'm not saying that one game makes you
or breaks you. But he didn't look good in that game.
Why can't it just be he didn't play well in
his first game in the NFL, rather than he don't
(33:40):
get no snaps and they didn't they didn't know his
cadence and.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
They didn't every excuse other than he didn't play well.
Is it okay to say he didn't play well.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
I believe anybody that watched that game and they're honest,
will say he did not play well.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Know, he didn't play well. But there's always a butt
to this. Rod you know how hard it is to
go in the game when you've never really thrown to
any of these guys and be effective. Let alone, you're
a rookie and this is the first time you've ever
(34:16):
played in the National Football League in a regular season game.
That's hard. Look at Kirk Cousins, he's a veteran. He
got into the game. They had to lead what he
do and so it's not easy whether you're a vet
or a rookie. But when you're a rookie and you
have yet to play in the National Football League in
a regular season game and you get thrust into that
(34:38):
position against a team that's fighting.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
For their life, there was this moment, though, the moment
was there to win that game at the end, I'm
just saying it was.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
You're a rookie. You're a rookie, and I'm gonna tell
you this. People act like that. Cadence don't matter, man.
You got you got some quarterbacks. Let me so. Cadence
is color number. Color numbers set us so green eighty
green eighty to that that's one, green eighty green eighty
to go that's two, or you may just get first down.
(35:10):
And they snapped the ball every quarterback cadence is different,
you know, Lie. It takes time to get used to that. Now,
that's no excuse he didn't play well, But when you're
not getting any reps, it doesn't make it any easier
to play well.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I get the reps thing, but maybe they've watched him.
And here's the thing that that that we have to
look at two rookie quarterbacks, right, and if you've picked
Dart right, then you want to get him as many
reps as possible because you're trying. Abriel you mean, I mean, yeah, Gabriel.
I'm sorry, Dylan, Gabriel. You get my point, right, So
(35:48):
you want you've picked him, so you need to get
him as much as you can. So that's the reason.
Does that not make sense?
Speaker 8 (35:56):
I played a long time. Every team I've been on,
the backup, the backup has always got reps with the
starters in practice. Every team I've ever been on. If
we're go seven on seven and there's twelve plays, the
backup is gonna get two to four reps, maybe maybe
two or three. You go team, the backup is gonna
get two to three reps. Nine on seven, the backup
(36:18):
is going to get reps with the starters here one
maybe one or two reps with the starters.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Okay, let me ask you this real quick, and we
got to run. Say he got some reps and he
still played that game. What would be the conversation today
if he if he got the reps and they heard
you wanted a few said he didn't play well, But
you talk to other people.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
It's everybody's reps.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
Reps are no reps. They still with a lost.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Okay, right, J Yes, go ahead, Bro. I was gonna say,
we're up against it.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Man. We appreciate.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I appreciate me and him gonna argue about that at
the top of the next hour, so I don't worry
about it. We'll argue about it. Uh you you just
may have my argument. So that's coming up. It's just
a bit DJ. I appreciate you, Bro, Thank you, no
doubt
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