November 19, 2025 • 30 mins
Former All-Pro safety Kerry Rhodes is in for Kelvin, and he and Rob explain why Shedeur Sanders is under tremendous pressure to perform this Sunday in his first NFL start, tell us why the Dallas Mavericks would be crazy to shop Anthony Davis ahead of the NBA Trade Deadline, and discuss why LeBron James has to become the Los Angeles Lakers third option for the team to reach their full potential.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Fresh on the heels of what may have been the
worst debut in NFL instry.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
From a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh day, but you mean day, Bud Shoulder Sanders will
be getting to start on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Carry what if? What was this QBR or quarterback?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We're the lowest for a debut by any quarterback I
think in fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Man, Listen, those are fact, that's a fact. But this
man hasn't even taken a first team rep. Well, he's
gonna be.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Getting all the refs this week because again should your
Sanders will be getting to start QB one for the
Cleveland Browns this Sunday in Vegas when they take on
the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
All Right, I'm just gonna say it out front, and
I know you're gonna think it's hyperbole. And here's rob
of course, going overboard and making something bigger than it is.
But this is judgment day for Shador Sanders. Judgment day.
(01:23):
I don't want to hear about snaps. I don't want
to about he didn't they who have a week's practice,
all of that under his belt.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
He better not hold onto the ball too long. He
better not fumble.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
He better not throw a couple of interceptions against this
terrible team called the Las Vegas Raiders. If you can't
beat them and perform like everybody's been beating them like
a drum, here's your opportunity.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You better play well. All of your excuse makers.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't want a hear you if he throws two
or three pigs or fumble and they lose to the Raiders,
It's set up on a.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Platter for you. This is better than Thanksgiving. You know why.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You don't have to have the gravy or the joy,
the cranberry sauce. This is straight turkey juicy, and what
okaypta about the turkey.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
All you need to do.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Is come out and ball out and beat the Raiders
like everybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Put your athletic talent on display.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We already know that the Browns have the defense that's
gonna stop the Raiders. Right, yes, So now it's just
a question of can you put up points against that team,
that pathetic team that Pete Carroll has in Las Vegas.
You better play well, you better excel. If not, don't
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want to hear it, don't want to hear the excuses.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Here's your opportunity. Should do no one, this is a
prime opportunity. He's playing a team that is not good.
I'm not gonna go to your level with the rod,
but they are not good, not a good team. Ideal situation.
Pete Carroll should be embarrassed. It's one thing carrying and
I'm just gonna say that. You could be like, Okay,
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Pete Carroll's there.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know you know you expected Gino to play batteries
play really bad. So the quarterback players isn't great, but
they got a decent defense. They still got a decent
special team. No, no, they're not nothing. They can't run
the ball, quarterback players atrocious. Their defense is bad like
not special teams as bad. They fired a special teams
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coach earlier this year. Yeah nothing, no, no, that they're
a bad team. And Shada does have a chance to
come out and get get solid footing early against a
really bad team and put up some numbers and show
why he should be the guy there. This is this
may be his only chance in Cleveland, which it sounds crazy.
I mean, obviously he's a rookie and he hasn't played
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any games. But for some reason, they weren't giving them
snaps and they weren't putting them in that position to
succeed anyway.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
So now, but you saw maybe there's a reason. Oh,
I mean you see that game one the numbers. Yeah,
he holds on to the ball. Yeah, am I right?
That's that? Is that a fair criticism? You're like, he
holds on to the ball.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Ye, he doesn't know what he's looking at yet, right,
And that's part of it, right, Like he hasn't gotten
the reps, he hasn't gotten the time to be on
the field to actually process things. And so when you're
putting that situation in the game, a lot of people
aren't going to succeed.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But in this game, he has a week to practice.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
He's going to be the guy that has rapport with
all those guys and they're going to know a snap count,
they're going to know what he needs to look at
and be successful. If he doesn't succeed this one, it's
going to be a lot of a lot of people
coming out coming out the woodworks ready to crucify him
for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Could I raise my hand? Go ahead? You are? You
already said? I already said it. I do. I believe
this is a layup.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm saying this is set up for him for all
the people. The NFL has conspired because they don't like Shador.
They would to put him in his play, so they
had him dropped down to the fifth round. I remind
you that Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round, right,
But they conspired against Shador? Why why? In Cleveland they
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having won, Jack, don't tell me that Stefanski and the
GM that they would rather lose their jobs by not
playing a guy who can play.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Come on, carry, it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. What
is the NFL stand for?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Not for long? So if you don't win, you think
you're gonna get to stick around?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And who doesn't play? Everybody in that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Locker room, everybody I've never been in there, but I've
been covering sports for almost forty years. They know who
should be playing and who's shouldn't play?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
One hundred per am I right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
If that guy was ready to play, and he was
a guy that was gonna get them wins, he would
have been playing.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
All the players were going to the coach and go,
what are you doing? This guy should be the quarterback.
He can't. The guy can't play. One thousand, Yes, that's
how it happens. No, for sure, like, yeah, this is
his chance, man, Rob, this is one of those moments
where you're a fifth round guy. The fifth round guy
usually usually does get the scraps right, but that doesn't
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mean you can't change those scraps into a like into
a into a big tasty meal.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Even in that game, Yeah, carry was there, did the.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Last drive he could have drove down and throw a
game time touchdown.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
There's a couple opportunities there.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
What so, So it's not like, oh my god, no,
there was a chance that on his first game he
had a chance to throw a game time touchdown. Todd Baltimore,
who knows winning overtime? And then you have a totally
different narrative, wouldn't you? You would, But I'll tell you this,
I don't think. Yes, there was an opportunity, the opportunity
presented is up. But I don't think he would have
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been able to process that and win that game. Baltimore
the only big completion he had on that drive. Baltimore
plays his own and they of course he's singing cover two,
cover four, his whole life, right, he knows where to
go with the ball. After that, they pressured that man.
Oh yeah, he had They did what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No answers. But now he has a week, so hopefully
he has the answer to the test.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
All right, we want to hear your answer. Eight seven
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Speaker 4 (07:42):
Six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
That's because Alex records everything, so I didn't want to
say to everything, So I just let that one go.
How much pressure is on cha door, Sanders? I think
there's so much pressure. Pressure bust pipes and chador Sanders.
If he doesn't get it done.
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Speaker 3 (09:15):
ESPN's Tim mcmah who's covered the team for decades now,
he covers the NBA at large free ESPN reported today
in a long form piece discussing actually Mark Cuban and
Ico Harrison in their battle for power.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There at the end.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
That the club is expected. Team sources tell him to
try to trade Anthony Davis ahead of the upcoming NBA
traded line, which means the headlining guy in the Luka
Doncic deal they're looking to move off of.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Well Rob that was trending earlier. But then Cuban just
came out probably that he did say they're not trading.
The problem is he does have any say in the deal.
That's the only problem that's like me say no, we
ain't trading it. But the only thing out on the stand. Seriously, Mark,
if I'm the new owner, do go away.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I want you to go away.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yes, why because I gave you the you sold the
team to me. You don't get to sell a team
and then and then play with it. That's all I'm saying, Like, seriously,
you know what like and then you're going to be
the spokesman.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
No, you sold the team. Why did you sell? Then?
I know that's crazy. I don't know why I did it?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Why sell off?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is your passion and you love the NBA and
you still want to be out there that it's just
so you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I agree with that, But the fact that he's back
in the mix, I don't know how I feel better
about that.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Nico is just I don't know what he was doing.
So Carri's your team.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
If the report holds true that they are going to
shop Anthony Davis on the deadline, is that a mistake?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yes? It is.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I mean, obviously at this point, everybody's panicing right and
saying it's time to hand the keys to Cooper flag
and plan for the future. No, you got guys there
who are ready to play. So if you're trying to
get rid of Anthony Davis, and if that's the play,
then all those other veterans around Naji Marshall, PJ.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Those guys want to win. They came there to win.
You gotta start shopping them too. So if that's the case,
then you're in a total rebuild and it just doesn't
make sense to me right now.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
See, I'm with you. It's illogical. Okay, you built this team.
It's one thing. If Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving were
healthy and you were playing this poorly, then it ain't
gonna work.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
This is a mistake. Let's do something else.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Can we see it together first before we're ready to
I get it.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
And Cooper Flagg, Now that's the other part.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
If he would have started like better and like people
would feel better about like he hasn't. Yeah, so that
compounded with the losing and the injuries, people think they
should do something else.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I don't. I want to see it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I want to see it together first before I decide
that I'm gonna pull a plug on it.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That was the disappointing thing in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Seriously, they had a team, Yes, of course we rob
g how many games did they play in Brooklyn together?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Like eighteen? Like Suri? Yeah, what was it? Thirteen? Like?
Think about that?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Like all three of them healthy played thirteen games together,
which is just mind boggling, I know. And with this
down they saying, oh it failed in Brooklyn, Well did
it really? Did it really right?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
And you know, like and even with the Dallas situation, right, like,
so Kyrie is out, eighty's been out and then Derek
Gladley's been out too, So nobody talked about that like that, Right,
that's another big pre you go, and then you talk
about Cooper Flag not playing well and beginning, of course
he wasn't. He's not playing with the guys who's going
to give him space to operate in the first place.
So now the focal point is solely based on Cooper Flag,
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an eighteen year old rookie to go ahead and think
and go.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Right, And you think those NBA players are gonna do that?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
No, no, no, I ain't going to go on nobody else.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I'm sticking right on you right here. You ain't getting
And then he had to play point, which is another one.
I mean, it's just it, it's all of that that
made no sense.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That was that was weird by Jason Kidd and I
it was his idea. What was it that you know,
using this time with Kyrie or whatever, or just the idea.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Of him handling the basketball.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Well, he did that with Yanna, remember, so he had
that as his as his deal to try to make
this thing happen. And I mean, and even Yanna's he
struggled with it at first. And so for this guy
to do it in his rookie year, just.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
As an eighteen year old, I agree with you. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not. I'm not there. I just just yeah, people
are so my goodness, gracious, I get it. When you
start off three and eleven or whatever they started off.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
They were zero and two and they were saying break
it up quick like the Maverick fans were the mff als.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But how I mean, don't they won one championship since
the Louisiana purchase. Like really, all of a sudden, they
feel like, lou I hate to break Luca didn't win
you in a championship.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I hate to break it to you in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
And he's looking great in LA because he's on, he's on,
he's on a revene tour. He's going to look that
way and it looks he's been balling.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But we'll see what happened exactly just like I was
told by all these NBA people that who Luca and Lebron?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Who else you would rather have in the West. That's
what That's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Well right now, I'd rather have Shaye Gilders Alexander. Okay,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But the but they were saying that, you know what
I mean, going into the playoffs, as if they were
going to make this run and Luca, Lebron and all
that last year.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm saying that was the talk.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
And of course when they got knocked out in the
first round, we didn't hear that anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I did tell you all about Rob g I told
you about Ayton was going to play well with the
Lakers though I told you to Rob dominating what I
tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I thought, he he's gonna play well. He's in the like,
is this a contract year? Yeah, well he's there was
a buyout, so he only has one year.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Game on you Lakers. He's going to play well. Yeah,
they're looking all right, they're looking good. Look a just
look at how.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Much carries The eyes light up when he's talking basketball.
When he talks football, he gets muted, his head goes down.
He's like, you know, we'll talk because he knows the
deal with the football basketball definitely. Yeah, I don't know.
So when you said the Lakers look good, what are
you saying? Are they top four? Are they easily top
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four right now?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
No? No, not right now?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well they will be the top four? Rob g you
with that too, Yeah, And this is real simple. And
we talked about us on the air. I think carry
I might have talked to you off the air with it.
If you have a top five player in the NBA,
whether it's Giannis or Sga or Luca or Yolkic, whatever, yeah,
why would I all bet against you? Like if you're saying, hey,
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they were the force to three seed last year and
now they're going to be the seventh seed, It's like,
well why, well but historically that doesn't happen any yet because.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Other teams can improve as well. But you never bet
against the best player historically? Well, but would you?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But I'm not saying that we're counting him out, like
you're not going to make the playoffs. He could be
fifth if Denver or somebody else. I'm just saying, no,
right can play better. It's not like it's that man.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
The three best players in the West are all the
top three seeds, but.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It doesn't always work out like that was the case,
then Luca and Lebron would have went to the next round.
But they did not because because you still got to
play it is all I'm saying. I agree, if you
would have matched it, you would think, oh yeah, that's
why people were saying that, and it still didn't come
to fruition because you still have to execute, you still
have to play, you still have to get uh a
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production from other people.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
It's just not one or two people. That's the that's
a playoff rock like if you're saying the length of
a regular.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Sem But I'm not convinced that they. I got to
see how it works out. Lebron right has an injury.
It is not always healthy. I've seen the bad Austin
Weeds as well. Right, I'm seeing the great right now,
the great, but I've seen the bad one in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Couldn't get makeup asking sure, right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I can't believe that a guy who is so anti
black quarterbacks would have an issue with the Snow Time Lakers.
The snow we got three Caucasians on the exciting white
exciting whites Luca Revees and La Ravo on the court
at the same time. Robins like nineteen CTL over again,
you know that it is the best decade in this
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country's history.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Nineteen Liverpool crazy. I told you this before.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I don't think carry I told you, but I remember
watching an NBA game.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
This is old CBS.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, and they had uh the Jazz were playing the
Celtics and it was ten. It was like an end
of a blowout, and the coaches emptied the bench and
it was ten white players on.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
The court at the same time.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Uh, five and five And of course Utahn Boston that
it makes total sense. And I just remember Tommy Heinsen
was doing the color for CBS. Dick Stockton was doing
the play by play, and he said, hey, Dick, hey, there,
you guys at home, hit your and wrong record on
your VCR.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
This is the last time you've ever.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Seen ten white guys in an NBA game at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Ever, because he played back.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
With the Celtics in the fifty it might have been
twelve thirteen there including the ref Yeah, back in those days.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
No doubt.
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Speaker 1 (18:28):
Lebron James made his uh twenty twenty five NBA day.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Butt it was not a day, but it was more
than Okay, that was better a debut. Yeah, his debut,
that's right. Yeah it's bad, I call it all the day,
but yeah, that's a day, budd Lebron.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Set the NBA record his twenty third NBA season came in,
started off sluggish, you know, kind of standoffice there, but
closed with the flurry. Finished the game with the double
double eleven points, twelve assists utah, six of them in
a three minute stretch. He looked like the vintage of
Lebron there and the Lakers cruise to a victory.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
But the big story to.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Come out of that game was everybody was saying, well,
the Lakers got good chemistry right now, they're kind of
rolling along.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
They look really good.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
What's gonna happen when Lebron James comes back into the lineup.
He's gonna dominate the ball like he always has, And
to his credit, for Night one at least took a
back seat, played the third fiddle willingly and the Lakers cruise.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
That was easy to do.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Okay, let me go first on this robe because he
has he has, he has no choice at this point.
He may be second, but he's not first anymore. This
is Lucas team. His time out even put a bigger
stamp on this being Lucas team Rob.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He has no choice but the b two.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Now, will he take the back seat to Austin Reeves
that the season goes along. Now, that's gonna be the
real question, right Austin Reeves doesn't have the credentials that
Lebron has, so he can't really puss back on him
if he wants to be that guy. But for Lebron
right now, this is actually the best situation for him.
If his ego doesn't get in the way, Rob, he
gets to go in, have fifteen points, eight rebounds, five assists,
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and not be tired as the season progresses and actually
have a little energy in the playoffs. If that happened,
so for me, he should take a back seat, and
if his ego doesn't get in the way, I think
this thing could could work out.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You make sense, okay, But whether or not Lebron will
subscribe to that, you don't think he will, but he
should be the third option.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And no matter what, and if.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The Lakers remember new ownership, new this is not the
people who tu recruited you and Magic and Genie Buss. No,
this is not those people anymore. No, Okay, they brought
in Luca. He's twenty five or six, you know, you're
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forty five.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
You know, like, like, let's just.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Keep it real, and they should be building for the
future as you go on. And Austin Reeves has more
of a chance of being around with Luca for the
next five or six years than Lebron.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So it should be obvious.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You don't owe anybody a victory lap sentimental reasons all that,
and once you get into that, you might as well
move on totally. If it should never be about that
Lebron has outstayed his welcome, I agree, period. I know
people think that's hard. Tom Brady outstayed is welcome. You know, like,
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when you play that long, it becomes an issue. It
just does because people are like, well, you can't say
nothing to him, Yeah, what are you gonna do If
he wants to play, you gotta play him. How are
you gonna tell him to take a back seat? A
third seat at that, not even just a backseat, third set.
But if you're serious about winning, serious about moving the
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Lakers forward, Lebron represents the past, not the present, not
the future. Who operates like that? You can't live in
the past. A lot of people, dude, it was great.
You see this happen with teams. They don't want to
let people go. I'll give you a perfect example, the Celtics,
the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parrisher.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
They didn't trade any of those guys. They weren't.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh no, we get if they would have moved off
of some of those guys at you know what I
mean at the time when they were stars, after they
had already won their few championships, and then replenish and
keep one of those three, they could have done something.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Do you think that's different because they've already had success
in the legacy Because in that same vein, I agree
with you. But in the same vein, like if Dallas
was to move on from Dirk in the years when
he wasn't good, you think it would have been received
the same.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I just think Dallas and them they only won one.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That's and that's what I'm saying, and he won. Now
the Celtics, I think he won three, so you know
what I mean. And yeah, and they held on to
all those guys and they got old and that team,
if you remember from the last championship, I might be
off a year with Larry burn them to the next.
And of course Lambias died and a couple of yes,
(23:23):
So I'm not acting like those things didn't happen. They
went twenty years with I want like twenty like twenty years.
So it was a long stretch, a long drought. And
that's why Rick Petino will remember that whole fame.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Remember Larry Bird ain't walking through that door, you.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Know what I mean or whatever, because that's how bad
it was and ugly. But if I'm the Lakers, I'm
just dude, this is working. We're winning. But there's no
way Lebron is going to agree to it. But I
think that he should have no choice. Here's the problem.
Who's the coach? J J Reddick Lebron's boy, Lebron Lebron's
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podcast partners.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
So you know, I mean, what, what's the ideal situation?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Rob? I mean, obviously I think we're on the same page.
He needs to be like the third option. I agree,
you're the biggest lak of going. I mean, that is
what should happen.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I just don't believe it will happen because Lebron's ego
is too big.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's the ego that always gets in the way.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I'm with you, I think that I think we all
predicted that he was gonna be the good soldier last night, like.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Right right, you're not gonna come in and like.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And just right.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The problem comes, if you know, come Christmas time or whatever.
And they had a tougher part of their schedule, take
a couple of losses back to back, which is gonna
happen to every team unless.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You're O K C. And then what because.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Because Lebron James, whether he's forty one, thirty one or
twenty one, has never taken a back seat to anybody,
no matter what was happening. And you could have this,
you know, illusion that he was trying to pass the
keys over to Anthony.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Davis and then that wasn't working.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
It never happened, never happened, even though Anthony Davis was
the best player and he had all the numbers.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
It was so no, it's Lebron's team.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
So it's gonna go. He never wanted to give it
to Kyrie in Cleveland. When he was in Miami, he
took it from Dwayne Wade like his lunch month because
so far and this has been the problem. And rest
in peace, Christmas. Sorry Chris has said this now going
back on the original, He's not here no more.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He's not with this, you know what I mean. But Chris.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I was.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Pray for Chris.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But Chris had said, you know, you're one of the
odd couple, right, he was saying, the biggest reason why
he never thought that lebron fully fulfill this potential want
all the champions that he thinks his talent probably should
have was because he insisted on being the system.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Everywhere and a lot of players who could have been
even better didn't always get the new you know, to
use their talent. Chris Bosch is a perfect example. Even
in Miami, even though they went to four, Chris Boss
wound up standing on the perimeter, standing out there right
like this, dude, go look at his numbers in.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Toronto and Toronto, Am I razy?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yea, yeah? Absolutely. Look at Kevin Love in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Kevin Love was doing a double double and it was
like twenty and twenty two, it was forty. He was going,
he was going. He was not even close to that
when he played Lebron.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Yeah, and I mean even later on, like right like
even the the Russell Westbrooks and all that. Like obviously
their games is falling off. But if you team up
with the Lebron, what do you have to gain? If
you win, it's Lebron's he gets the credit. If you lose,
you're the one getting to blame.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So I always said that, like if you win, if
they win, Lebron's the goat, and if they lose, your escape.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
That's how That's how it.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Went, and that's what makes nights like last night. I'm
not gonna say fresh frustrating is the wrong word. But
you see that he's entirely capable of playing that way.
You see fitting in because he's so good and he's
so dynamic, he can do whatever you ask him to do.
The problem is is he has to be willing to
set aside his ego to play a certain role, and
so far in twenty three plus years in the NBA,
(27:29):
he hasn't shown a willingness to do that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And you got to remember, Okay, so he gets praised.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now after a while on the shows on people start
talking Lebron's washed. He's the third option, you know what
I mean, Like the Lakers don't need him, like all that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Then you get in your feeling. What are you talking?
He said?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He proclaimed himself the goat. I say, you can't be
King of the United States. I only recognize one kid,
who's that's Burger King. Other than that, I don't recognize
Eddie Kings. Oh my goodness, and that's a bad that's
a bad king. Recognize no man.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
I just I hope for his sake, just for his sake,
And like you said it, he's already outlived. He's outlived
as basketball days, he said, Like seriously, like and let
these kids eat and play well, and you do the
ancillary things to help your team win.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Be that guy that you wanted other people to be
your whole career.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I'm with you, you know, I don't see me sticking around
too long watching What do you think he's going to?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
What is he going? Is he gonna take a back
seat and say that's better for the team. No, But the.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Crazy part g he has to, like you know what
I mean, Like, I know what you're saying, because I
agree with you, like the ego is a thing, right,
But he can't We've seen the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
He can't do it alone anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But but look if Austin Reeves has a bad week
or you know what I mean, that's all it would take,
is like they lose too with three in a row
and say Austin's shooting. Well, oh, y'all don't need me,
you know what I mean? Oh, y'all what you know
what y'all thought, y'all thought I was the wash k
I'm gonna go out there and then one night maybe
(29:12):
forces up to be able to score forty points, you know,
and to say he could.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Still do it. You know what he will do.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I think he would actually pull with Kobe though, and
not shoot the ball at all in the whole game,
just to prove a point.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
That was the That was the low point in Koby,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Like and would you admit that, Oh yeah, that was
that He could his basketball career. Absolutely he could.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
If he could take that back, he would because that
was so un Kobe like.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Hey, but it worked. They got them power song and
a couple of chips later. But that was playing chess,
not checkers over here.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, but that was.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Only because they what's his name, the GM had a
deal with the devil in Charlotte. That was a terrible
trade to getis Memphis. Jerry West, Jerry Jerry West. That
was like like that was a wink wing. Jerry West
helped the Lakers in that tree, you know that.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Who did they get? Who did they give up? Marcasol
Marcasot's good. They gave up nobody Kwame Brown just because
he called you ugly, Rob, You don't like Kwami. Before that,
you will talking out what happened. Rob and Chris were
getting ripped on these viral videos for like a week straight.
He called Chris glowstick. He said, Rob Parker's ugly, Right,
(30:23):
that was it.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I remember that you were fine with him when he
was tracking everybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Then he came at you, and you're like, nas the
line I crossed the line I did.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
You're gonna say I'm ugly you, Rob
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Fresh on the heels of what may have been the
worst debut in NFL instry.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
From a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh day, but you mean day, Bud Shoulder Sanders will
be getting to start on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Carry what if? What was this QBR or quarterback?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We're the lowest for a debut by any quarterback I
think in fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Man, Listen, those are fact, that's a fact. But this
man hasn't even taken a first team rep. Well, he's
gonna be.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Getting all the refs this week because again should your
Sanders will be getting to start QB one for the
Cleveland Browns this Sunday in Vegas when they take on
the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
All Right, I'm just gonna say it out front, and
I know you're gonna think it's hyperbole. And here's rob
of course, going overboard and making something bigger than it is.
But this is judgment day for Shador Sanders. Judgment day.
(01:23):
I don't want to hear about snaps. I don't want
to about he didn't they who have a week's practice,
all of that under his belt.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
He better not hold onto the ball too long. He
better not fumble.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
He better not throw a couple of interceptions against this
terrible team called the Las Vegas Raiders. If you can't
beat them and perform like everybody's been beating them like
a drum, here's your opportunity.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You better play well. All of your excuse makers.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't want a hear you if he throws two
or three pigs or fumble and they lose to the Raiders,
It's set up on a.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Platter for you. This is better than Thanksgiving. You know why.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You don't have to have the gravy or the joy,
the cranberry sauce. This is straight turkey juicy, and what
okaypta about the turkey.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
All you need to do.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Is come out and ball out and beat the Raiders
like everybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Put your athletic talent on display.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We already know that the Browns have the defense that's
gonna stop the Raiders. Right, yes, So now it's just
a question of can you put up points against that team,
that pathetic team that Pete Carroll has in Las Vegas.
You better play well, you better excel. If not, don't
(03:01):
want to hear it, don't want to hear the excuses.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Here's your opportunity. Should do no one, this is a
prime opportunity. He's playing a team that is not good.
I'm not gonna go to your level with the rod,
but they are not good, not a good team. Ideal situation.
Pete Carroll should be embarrassed. It's one thing carrying and
I'm just gonna say that. You could be like, Okay,
(03:25):
Pete Carroll's there.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know you know you expected Gino to play batteries
play really bad. So the quarterback players isn't great, but
they got a decent defense. They still got a decent
special team. No, no, they're not nothing. They can't run
the ball, quarterback players atrocious. Their defense is bad like
not special teams as bad. They fired a special teams
(03:49):
coach earlier this year. Yeah nothing, no, no, that they're
a bad team. And Shada does have a chance to
come out and get get solid footing early against a
really bad team and put up some numbers and show
why he should be the guy there. This is this
may be his only chance in Cleveland, which it sounds crazy.
I mean, obviously he's a rookie and he hasn't played
(04:09):
any games. But for some reason, they weren't giving them
snaps and they weren't putting them in that position to
succeed anyway.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
So now, but you saw maybe there's a reason. Oh,
I mean you see that game one the numbers. Yeah,
he holds on to the ball. Yeah, am I right?
That's that? Is that a fair criticism? You're like, he
holds on to the ball.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Ye, he doesn't know what he's looking at yet, right,
And that's part of it, right, Like he hasn't gotten
the reps, he hasn't gotten the time to be on
the field to actually process things. And so when you're
putting that situation in the game, a lot of people
aren't going to succeed.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But in this game, he has a week to practice.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
He's going to be the guy that has rapport with
all those guys and they're going to know a snap count,
they're going to know what he needs to look at
and be successful. If he doesn't succeed this one, it's
going to be a lot of a lot of people
coming out coming out the woodworks ready to crucify him
for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Could I raise my hand? Go ahead? You are? You
already said? I already said it. I do. I believe
this is a layup.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm saying this is set up for him for all
the people. The NFL has conspired because they don't like Shador.
They would to put him in his play, so they
had him dropped down to the fifth round. I remind
you that Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round, right,
But they conspired against Shador? Why why? In Cleveland they
(05:27):
having won, Jack, don't tell me that Stefanski and the
GM that they would rather lose their jobs by not
playing a guy who can play.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Come on, carry, it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. What
is the NFL stand for?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Not for long? So if you don't win, you think
you're gonna get to stick around?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And who doesn't play? Everybody in that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Locker room, everybody I've never been in there, but I've
been covering sports for almost forty years. They know who
should be playing and who's shouldn't play?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
One hundred per am I right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
If that guy was ready to play, and he was
a guy that was gonna get them wins, he would
have been playing.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
All the players were going to the coach and go,
what are you doing? This guy should be the quarterback.
He can't. The guy can't play. One thousand, Yes, that's
how it happens. No, for sure, like, yeah, this is
his chance, man, Rob, this is one of those moments
where you're a fifth round guy. The fifth round guy
usually usually does get the scraps right, but that doesn't
(06:28):
mean you can't change those scraps into a like into
a into a big tasty meal.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Even in that game, Yeah, carry was there, did the.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Last drive he could have drove down and throw a
game time touchdown.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
There's a couple opportunities there.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
What so, So it's not like, oh my god, no,
there was a chance that on his first game he
had a chance to throw a game time touchdown. Todd Baltimore,
who knows winning overtime? And then you have a totally
different narrative, wouldn't you? You would, But I'll tell you this,
I don't think. Yes, there was an opportunity, the opportunity
presented is up. But I don't think he would have
(07:01):
been able to process that and win that game. Baltimore
the only big completion he had on that drive. Baltimore
plays his own and they of course he's singing cover two,
cover four, his whole life, right, he knows where to
go with the ball. After that, they pressured that man.
Oh yeah, he had They did what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No answers. But now he has a week, so hopefully
he has the answer to the test.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
All right, we want to hear your answer. Eight seven
seven ninety nine on Fox. I'm fired up on this
worship Wednesday. I see you know I never come in,
you know, uh half, I don't want to use that word.
I'm never eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight
seven seven nine nine.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
That's because Alex records everything, so I didn't want to
say to everything, So I just let that one go.
How much pressure is on cha door, Sanders? I think
there's so much pressure. Pressure bust pipes and chador Sanders.
If he doesn't get it done.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
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Yeah, you blubber list lame and me.
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Speaker 3 (09:15):
ESPN's Tim mcmah who's covered the team for decades now,
he covers the NBA at large free ESPN reported today
in a long form piece discussing actually Mark Cuban and
Ico Harrison in their battle for power.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There at the end.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
That the club is expected. Team sources tell him to
try to trade Anthony Davis ahead of the upcoming NBA
traded line, which means the headlining guy in the Luka
Doncic deal they're looking to move off of.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Well Rob that was trending earlier. But then Cuban just
came out probably that he did say they're not trading.
The problem is he does have any say in the deal.
That's the only problem that's like me say no, we
ain't trading it. But the only thing out on the stand. Seriously, Mark,
if I'm the new owner, do go away.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I want you to go away.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yes, why because I gave you the you sold the
team to me. You don't get to sell a team
and then and then play with it. That's all I'm saying, Like, seriously,
you know what like and then you're going to be
the spokesman.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
No, you sold the team. Why did you sell? Then?
I know that's crazy. I don't know why I did it?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Why sell off?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is your passion and you love the NBA and
you still want to be out there that it's just
so you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I agree with that, But the fact that he's back
in the mix, I don't know how I feel better
about that.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Nico is just I don't know what he was doing.
So Carri's your team.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
If the report holds true that they are going to
shop Anthony Davis on the deadline, is that a mistake?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yes? It is.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I mean, obviously at this point, everybody's panicing right and
saying it's time to hand the keys to Cooper flag
and plan for the future. No, you got guys there
who are ready to play. So if you're trying to
get rid of Anthony Davis, and if that's the play,
then all those other veterans around Naji Marshall, PJ.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Those guys want to win. They came there to win.
You gotta start shopping them too. So if that's the case,
then you're in a total rebuild and it just doesn't
make sense to me right now.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
See, I'm with you. It's illogical. Okay, you built this team.
It's one thing. If Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving were
healthy and you were playing this poorly, then it ain't
gonna work.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
This is a mistake. Let's do something else.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Can we see it together first before we're ready to
I get it.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
And Cooper Flagg, Now that's the other part.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
If he would have started like better and like people
would feel better about like he hasn't. Yeah, so that
compounded with the losing and the injuries, people think they
should do something else.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I don't. I want to see it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I want to see it together first before I decide
that I'm gonna pull a plug on it.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That was the disappointing thing in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Seriously, they had a team, Yes, of course we rob
g how many games did they play in Brooklyn together?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Like eighteen? Like Suri? Yeah, what was it? Thirteen? Like?
Think about that?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Like all three of them healthy played thirteen games together,
which is just mind boggling, I know. And with this
down they saying, oh it failed in Brooklyn, Well did
it really? Did it really right?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
And you know, like and even with the Dallas situation, right, like,
so Kyrie is out, eighty's been out and then Derek
Gladley's been out too, So nobody talked about that like that, Right,
that's another big pre you go, and then you talk
about Cooper Flag not playing well and beginning, of course
he wasn't. He's not playing with the guys who's going
to give him space to operate in the first place.
So now the focal point is solely based on Cooper Flag,
(12:47):
an eighteen year old rookie to go ahead and think
and go.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Right, And you think those NBA players are gonna do that?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
No, no, no, I ain't going to go on nobody else.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I'm sticking right on you right here. You ain't getting
And then he had to play point, which is another one.
I mean, it's just it, it's all of that that
made no sense.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That was that was weird by Jason Kidd and I
it was his idea. What was it that you know,
using this time with Kyrie or whatever, or just the idea.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Of him handling the basketball.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Well, he did that with Yanna, remember, so he had
that as his as his deal to try to make
this thing happen. And I mean, and even Yanna's he
struggled with it at first. And so for this guy
to do it in his rookie year, just.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
As an eighteen year old, I agree with you. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not. I'm not there. I just just yeah, people
are so my goodness, gracious, I get it. When you
start off three and eleven or whatever they started off.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
They were zero and two and they were saying break
it up quick like the Maverick fans were the mff als.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But how I mean, don't they won one championship since
the Louisiana purchase. Like really, all of a sudden, they
feel like, lou I hate to break Luca didn't win
you in a championship.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I hate to break it to you in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
And he's looking great in LA because he's on, he's on,
he's on a revene tour. He's going to look that
way and it looks he's been balling.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But we'll see what happened exactly just like I was
told by all these NBA people that who Luca and Lebron?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Who else you would rather have in the West. That's
what That's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Well right now, I'd rather have Shaye Gilders Alexander. Okay,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But the but they were saying that, you know what
I mean, going into the playoffs, as if they were
going to make this run and Luca, Lebron and all
that last year.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm saying that was the talk.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
And of course when they got knocked out in the
first round, we didn't hear that anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I did tell you all about Rob g I told
you about Ayton was going to play well with the
Lakers though I told you to Rob dominating what I
tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I thought, he he's gonna play well. He's in the like,
is this a contract year? Yeah, well he's there was
a buyout, so he only has one year.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Game on you Lakers. He's going to play well. Yeah,
they're looking all right, they're looking good. Look a just
look at how.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Much carries The eyes light up when he's talking basketball.
When he talks football, he gets muted, his head goes down.
He's like, you know, we'll talk because he knows the
deal with the football basketball definitely. Yeah, I don't know.
So when you said the Lakers look good, what are
you saying? Are they top four? Are they easily top
(15:23):
four right now?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
No? No, not right now?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well they will be the top four? Rob g you
with that too, Yeah, And this is real simple. And
we talked about us on the air. I think carry
I might have talked to you off the air with it.
If you have a top five player in the NBA,
whether it's Giannis or Sga or Luca or Yolkic, whatever, yeah,
why would I all bet against you? Like if you're saying, hey,
(15:47):
they were the force to three seed last year and
now they're going to be the seventh seed, It's like,
well why, well but historically that doesn't happen any yet because.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Other teams can improve as well. But you never bet
against the best player historically? Well, but would you?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But I'm not saying that we're counting him out, like
you're not going to make the playoffs. He could be
fifth if Denver or somebody else. I'm just saying, no,
right can play better. It's not like it's that man.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
The three best players in the West are all the
top three seeds, but.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It doesn't always work out like that was the case,
then Luca and Lebron would have went to the next round.
But they did not because because you still got to
play it is all I'm saying. I agree, if you
would have matched it, you would think, oh yeah, that's
why people were saying that, and it still didn't come
to fruition because you still have to execute, you still
have to play, you still have to get uh a
(16:38):
production from other people.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
It's just not one or two people. That's the that's
a playoff rock like if you're saying the length of
a regular.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Sem But I'm not convinced that they. I got to
see how it works out. Lebron right has an injury.
It is not always healthy. I've seen the bad Austin
Weeds as well. Right, I'm seeing the great right now,
the great, but I've seen the bad one in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Couldn't get makeup asking sure, right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I can't believe that a guy who is so anti
black quarterbacks would have an issue with the Snow Time Lakers.
The snow we got three Caucasians on the exciting white
exciting whites Luca Revees and La Ravo on the court
at the same time. Robins like nineteen CTL over again,
you know that it is the best decade in this
(17:22):
country's history.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Nineteen Liverpool crazy. I told you this before.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I don't think carry I told you, but I remember
watching an NBA game.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
This is old CBS.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, and they had uh the Jazz were playing the
Celtics and it was ten. It was like an end
of a blowout, and the coaches emptied the bench and
it was ten white players on.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
The court at the same time.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Uh, five and five And of course Utahn Boston that
it makes total sense. And I just remember Tommy Heinsen
was doing the color for CBS. Dick Stockton was doing
the play by play, and he said, hey, Dick, hey, there,
you guys at home, hit your and wrong record on
your VCR.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
This is the last time you've ever.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Seen ten white guys in an NBA game at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Ever, because he played back.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
With the Celtics in the fifty it might have been
twelve thirteen there including the ref Yeah, back in those days.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
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Speaker 1 (18:28):
Lebron James made his uh twenty twenty five NBA day.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Butt it was not a day, but it was more
than Okay, that was better a debut. Yeah, his debut,
that's right. Yeah it's bad, I call it all the day,
but yeah, that's a day, budd Lebron.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Set the NBA record his twenty third NBA season came in,
started off sluggish, you know, kind of standoffice there, but
closed with the flurry. Finished the game with the double
double eleven points, twelve assists utah, six of them in
a three minute stretch. He looked like the vintage of
Lebron there and the Lakers cruise to a victory.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
But the big story to.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Come out of that game was everybody was saying, well,
the Lakers got good chemistry right now, they're kind of
rolling along.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
They look really good.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
What's gonna happen when Lebron James comes back into the lineup.
He's gonna dominate the ball like he always has, And
to his credit, for Night one at least took a
back seat, played the third fiddle willingly and the Lakers cruise.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
That was easy to do.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Okay, let me go first on this robe because he
has he has, he has no choice at this point.
He may be second, but he's not first anymore. This
is Lucas team. His time out even put a bigger
stamp on this being Lucas team Rob.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He has no choice but the b two.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Now, will he take the back seat to Austin Reeves
that the season goes along. Now, that's gonna be the
real question, right Austin Reeves doesn't have the credentials that
Lebron has, so he can't really puss back on him
if he wants to be that guy. But for Lebron
right now, this is actually the best situation for him.
If his ego doesn't get in the way, Rob, he
gets to go in, have fifteen points, eight rebounds, five assists,
(20:12):
and not be tired as the season progresses and actually
have a little energy in the playoffs. If that happened,
so for me, he should take a back seat, and
if his ego doesn't get in the way, I think
this thing could could work out.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You make sense, okay, But whether or not Lebron will
subscribe to that, you don't think he will, but he
should be the third option.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And no matter what, and if.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The Lakers remember new ownership, new this is not the
people who tu recruited you and Magic and Genie Buss. No,
this is not those people anymore. No, Okay, they brought
in Luca. He's twenty five or six, you know, you're
(20:58):
forty five.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
You know, like, like, let's just.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Keep it real, and they should be building for the
future as you go on. And Austin Reeves has more
of a chance of being around with Luca for the
next five or six years than Lebron.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So it should be obvious.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You don't owe anybody a victory lap sentimental reasons all that,
and once you get into that, you might as well
move on totally. If it should never be about that
Lebron has outstayed his welcome, I agree, period. I know
people think that's hard. Tom Brady outstayed is welcome. You know, like,
(21:43):
when you play that long, it becomes an issue. It
just does because people are like, well, you can't say
nothing to him, Yeah, what are you gonna do If
he wants to play, you gotta play him. How are
you gonna tell him to take a back seat? A
third seat at that, not even just a backseat, third set.
But if you're serious about winning, serious about moving the
(22:05):
Lakers forward, Lebron represents the past, not the present, not
the future. Who operates like that? You can't live in
the past. A lot of people, dude, it was great.
You see this happen with teams. They don't want to
let people go. I'll give you a perfect example, the Celtics,
the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parrisher.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
They didn't trade any of those guys. They weren't.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh no, we get if they would have moved off
of some of those guys at you know what I
mean at the time when they were stars, after they
had already won their few championships, and then replenish and
keep one of those three, they could have done something.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Do you think that's different because they've already had success
in the legacy Because in that same vein, I agree
with you. But in the same vein, like if Dallas
was to move on from Dirk in the years when
he wasn't good, you think it would have been received
the same.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I just think Dallas and them they only won one.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That's and that's what I'm saying, and he won. Now
the Celtics, I think he won three, so you know
what I mean. And yeah, and they held on to
all those guys and they got old and that team,
if you remember from the last championship, I might be
off a year with Larry burn them to the next.
And of course Lambias died and a couple of yes,
(23:23):
So I'm not acting like those things didn't happen. They
went twenty years with I want like twenty like twenty years.
So it was a long stretch, a long drought. And
that's why Rick Petino will remember that whole fame.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Remember Larry Bird ain't walking through that door, you.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Know what I mean or whatever, because that's how bad
it was and ugly. But if I'm the Lakers, I'm
just dude, this is working. We're winning. But there's no
way Lebron is going to agree to it. But I
think that he should have no choice. Here's the problem.
Who's the coach? J J Reddick Lebron's boy, Lebron Lebron's
(24:09):
podcast partners.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
So you know, I mean, what, what's the ideal situation?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Rob? I mean, obviously I think we're on the same page.
He needs to be like the third option. I agree,
you're the biggest lak of going. I mean, that is
what should happen.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I just don't believe it will happen because Lebron's ego
is too big.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's the ego that always gets in the way.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I'm with you, I think that I think we all
predicted that he was gonna be the good soldier last night, like.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Right right, you're not gonna come in and like.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And just right.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The problem comes, if you know, come Christmas time or whatever.
And they had a tougher part of their schedule, take
a couple of losses back to back, which is gonna
happen to every team unless.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You're O K C. And then what because.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Because Lebron James, whether he's forty one, thirty one or
twenty one, has never taken a back seat to anybody,
no matter what was happening. And you could have this,
you know, illusion that he was trying to pass the
keys over to Anthony.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Davis and then that wasn't working.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
It never happened, never happened, even though Anthony Davis was
the best player and he had all the numbers.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
It was so no, it's Lebron's team.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
So it's gonna go. He never wanted to give it
to Kyrie in Cleveland. When he was in Miami, he
took it from Dwayne Wade like his lunch month because
so far and this has been the problem. And rest
in peace, Christmas. Sorry Chris has said this now going
back on the original, He's not here no more.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He's not with this, you know what I mean. But Chris.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I was.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Pray for Chris.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But Chris had said, you know, you're one of the
odd couple, right, he was saying, the biggest reason why
he never thought that lebron fully fulfill this potential want
all the champions that he thinks his talent probably should
have was because he insisted on being the system.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Everywhere and a lot of players who could have been
even better didn't always get the new you know, to
use their talent. Chris Bosch is a perfect example. Even
in Miami, even though they went to four, Chris Boss
wound up standing on the perimeter, standing out there right
like this, dude, go look at his numbers in.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Toronto and Toronto, Am I razy?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yea, yeah? Absolutely. Look at Kevin Love in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Kevin Love was doing a double double and it was
like twenty and twenty two, it was forty. He was going,
he was going. He was not even close to that
when he played Lebron.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Yeah, and I mean even later on, like right like
even the the Russell Westbrooks and all that. Like obviously
their games is falling off. But if you team up
with the Lebron, what do you have to gain? If
you win, it's Lebron's he gets the credit. If you lose,
you're the one getting to blame.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So I always said that, like if you win, if
they win, Lebron's the goat, and if they lose, your escape.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
That's how That's how it.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Went, and that's what makes nights like last night. I'm
not gonna say fresh frustrating is the wrong word. But
you see that he's entirely capable of playing that way.
You see fitting in because he's so good and he's
so dynamic, he can do whatever you ask him to do.
The problem is is he has to be willing to
set aside his ego to play a certain role, and
so far in twenty three plus years in the NBA,
(27:29):
he hasn't shown a willingness to do that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And you got to remember, Okay, so he gets praised.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now after a while on the shows on people start
talking Lebron's washed. He's the third option, you know what
I mean, Like the Lakers don't need him, like all that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Then you get in your feeling. What are you talking?
He said?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He proclaimed himself the goat. I say, you can't be
King of the United States. I only recognize one kid,
who's that's Burger King. Other than that, I don't recognize
Eddie Kings. Oh my goodness, and that's a bad that's
a bad king. Recognize no man.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
I just I hope for his sake, just for his sake,
And like you said it, he's already outlived. He's outlived
as basketball days, he said, Like seriously, like and let
these kids eat and play well, and you do the
ancillary things to help your team win.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Be that guy that you wanted other people to be
your whole career.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I'm with you, you know, I don't see me sticking around
too long watching What do you think he's going to?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
What is he going? Is he gonna take a back
seat and say that's better for the team. No, But the.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Crazy part g he has to, like you know what
I mean, Like, I know what you're saying, because I
agree with you, like the ego is a thing, right,
But he can't We've seen the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
He can't do it alone anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But but look if Austin Reeves has a bad week
or you know what I mean, that's all it would take,
is like they lose too with three in a row
and say Austin's shooting. Well, oh, y'all don't need me,
you know what I mean? Oh, y'all what you know
what y'all thought, y'all thought I was the wash k
I'm gonna go out there and then one night maybe
(29:12):
forces up to be able to score forty points, you know,
and to say he could.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Still do it. You know what he will do.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I think he would actually pull with Kobe though, and
not shoot the ball at all in the whole game,
just to prove a point.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
That was the That was the low point in Koby,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Like and would you admit that, Oh yeah, that was
that He could his basketball career. Absolutely he could.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
If he could take that back, he would because that
was so un Kobe like.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Hey, but it worked. They got them power song and
a couple of chips later. But that was playing chess,
not checkers over here.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, but that was.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Only because they what's his name, the GM had a
deal with the devil in Charlotte. That was a terrible
trade to getis Memphis. Jerry West, Jerry Jerry West. That
was like like that was a wink wing. Jerry West
helped the Lakers in that tree, you know that.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Who did they get? Who did they give up? Marcasol
Marcasot's good. They gave up nobody Kwame Brown just because
he called you ugly, Rob, You don't like Kwami. Before that,
you will talking out what happened. Rob and Chris were
getting ripped on these viral videos for like a week straight.
He called Chris glowstick. He said, Rob Parker's ugly, Right,
(30:23):
that was it.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I remember that you were fine with him when he
was tracking everybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Then he came at you, and you're like, nas the
line I crossed the line I did.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
You're gonna say I'm ugly you, Rob
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