July 13, 2024 • 36 mins
Chris and Rob take Kevin Durant to task for claiming that he, Steph Curry and LeBron James are still the current Big 3 of the NBA, tell us if it's fair of Jaylen Brown to blame Nike for him being left off the Team USA roster in favor of his Boston Celtics teammate Derrick White and rip the Pittsburgh Pirates for pulling rookie phenom Paul Skenes after he threw 7 innings of no-hit ball.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Kevin Durant was talking.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
He was on the Logan Paul's podcast called Impulsive Like
Impulsive Impulsive, and he was asked who was the Big
three in the NBA? Now, I wonder if Logan Paul
asked the question. I don't know who did ask it,
but if it was Logan Paul, did he really it
(00:54):
was his called? Did they know what they were talking about?
They say, who's the Big three in the NBA? Roger
the sound here has a Big three, Yeah, and then
the sound of the league.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I believe you'll hear the question in the sound here, however,
full full context in the conversation. It's Logan Paul, his
co host, and a social media influencer by the name
of Speed or something like that. And they're talking to
the influencer and he says, yeah, I'm part of kind
of like the big three when it comes to streaming.
It's me and these two other guys. And then that's
(01:27):
when the co says, hey, well, KD, who's the big
three of the NBA right now?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Here was his answer, take to listen. Okay, that's cool.
Who's the who's the big three in the NBA right now?
In your eyes? Don't just say it just big me?
Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I mean, if you would look at it, you could
say Lebron, Steph myself.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I mean it's I mean the NBA is different, right,
No big threes, It's like a big thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So that that straightens it out.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I mean, that's that's logical, right, You're talking about a
big three of this or that.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And he says, who's a big three of the NBA? Okay,
that's cool. Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I agree that Lebron's Steph and then to a lesser degree,
but still, Kevin Durant are the three giants of this generation.
Lebron's just playing so long that he's now in the
Steph generation as well, But they would be the three
giants of this generation. So from that perspective, I give
(02:27):
it to Kevin Durant. But if there was a Big three,
if you had the name, I mean, just the three
best players. I think there is a clear Big three
in the NBA, and right now.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It would be Nikole Jokic, Luka Doncic, and Giannis Sonte
de Koupo. I think that would be the Big three
if there was such a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Rock And this is a total disregard of international players
and acting like they haven't done anything and they don't
raid or whatever. It doesn't make any sense. The Jokers
won three of the last four MVPs.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Chris, Hello, well, yeah, you're right, and the three guys
we named and Luke hadn't even won one, but they've
won five of the last six, right, I mean, like
the are the one in MVPs is twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean, like, what really and where is again listening
to these lame podcasts. Where can somebody just push back
on Kevin Durant and say, the Jokers won three in
the last four, he doesn't raid, he's not in your
top three of the Big three. Can we get a
little bit of that? Can you work for five seconds
(03:43):
on the podcast. Can you work for the listener and
make you feel like you're listening and you're not just
head nodding every time somebody opens their pie hole and
just spouts anything out that's ridic Chris.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
They don't even flinch. Wh we just talked about. To
forget about is a boxer.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Like I don't even know what these docking questions as
if they're reporters and they're trying to get information and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
If you're gonna ask questions, can you please have a
follow up? Can you please make him explain why he
believes what he believes? Can you please just throw them
a little bit and say, why are you disregarding and
disrespecting the international players who have won the last six
m vps.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Kevin Durant? Why I do agree with that?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And you know, I think these podcasts and I'm not
even gonna put Logan Paul you know, the other Micah Parsons,
the you know, Draymond Green's and the Paul George's and
all those guys, the Kelsey brothers who have their podcast.
You know, I think they do have value in that
(05:01):
they get the player that typically players will really be
themselves with Kevin Garnett's certified podcast things like that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So there, that's a there's a value in that. But
you're right.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean, imagine how much better it would have been
if if they have pushed back, like, wait a minute,
yr Kischen isn't in a big three? They? You know, no,
it would right, And then explain yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And then if you said, well, this, that and the
other thing, I might be intrigued to say, right, wow, okay,
is that what you think? Okay, so now I understand
why you feel the way you feel. I said this
all the time because it's people don't have to agree
with your opinion. The one thing that people want is
(05:53):
they want to feel like, can you make the arguments?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So at least I know how you got there? You
know what I mean? Hey, I value this over that.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
When I look at it, winning doesn't matter because you
talk about all the time, winning the finals, MVP isn't
a big deal to you, So it doesn't affect you,
know the way you look at people.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I look at it a little different, right, But you
you can both explain our our vantage point, right, what.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You look for and what matters to you, And then
you could I've had people say, I totally disagree with
you on your take, but I understand how you got there.
You know, you explained it to me, and I understand
why you think the way you do. I just don't
agree with it, and I think that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's not about a right or wrong opinion. Kevin Durant.
That's his opinion.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But if it would just be better for all of
us if he could just explain it a little bit
more and dig and give me insight why he's abandoned
all of the international players who was he didn't even name.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I mean, and if you listen to the you know,
we only played a little bit of it. But as
he goes on, you know, he says everybody you know
he goes We heard him say there's a big three.
There's no big threes, it's like a big thirty. Well no,
it's not a big thirty. There's not a big thirty, right,
But everybody got their own brands. But the three oldest
(07:21):
that's still playing at a high level is me, Lebron
and Steph. Then he throws in Kawhi and Paul George.
There's a lot of guys Bro, you can't just put
three in it, like he's basically kind of nullifying. He
gives an answer and then kind of nullifies it, kind
of backs up from it. And so that's where like
you said, we do on this show, especially you, well, no,
(07:45):
you gotta give us, give us a three, give us
a three, right, And okay, that's your three?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Why you know?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
And so I look, that's why I agree with when
he said the guys that have been playing for the longest,
the three oldest guys that are still at a high level.
And he can be in that group because he, Lebron,
and step are all putting up essentially the same numbers
they've put up throughout their careers.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So there's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But if you go if rob, if somebody wants to
say Lebron and Steph are still a part of the
quote unquote big three of the league, you can make
an argument for.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That because.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
They're both you know, they're still two of the biggest
draws in the league.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They're two of the most popular players in the league.
I would not put KD in that.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Group, in that group with them if we're basing it
on like kind of relevance in the League. Now, people
still are wondering, will will Lebron find a way to
get another one? Will Steph find a way to get
another one? Not most likely, but people are still wondering that.
(09:04):
I don't know that people are wondering that about KD.
I mean, you said it a while ago that he's
kind of NBA dead. He is because just not as
like those two.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
They're just they're more relevant than KD at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yep, and KD having a great had a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Great season last year. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Well, I think it's because they've won more than him.
I think that it just boils down to that that
those those two, if you know, in addition to being
synonymous with, you know, their individual brilliance in this generation,
they won four rings each.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's great. Kd's got his two, which is great.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
But it's not like those guys, and they've they're winning
has spanned I mean, Lebron's won from what twenty twelve
to twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Two, that's eight years.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Ah Stap's one from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty two,
that's seven years.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Kd's winning was two years back to back.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So I think that's why they're more relevant than him.
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Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, Rob g So Jalen Brown. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Grant Hill addressed why he did not make the team
and instead his teammate Derek White, who's not a star. Uh,
not as good as Jalen Brown, he was chosen and
essentially they played the same position. But Grant talked about
wanting a player who you know, they're building the team.
(11:31):
It's not just getting the best names and how they
like that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Derek White not only.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You know, is a he's a great defender and shooter,
but he the role he plays for Boston is the
role he'll play for Team USA. So it's not like
you have to ask a star to hey, can you
just be a role player on this team. That's what
Derek White does. That's what Derek White is, and so
(12:00):
it'll be second nature for him to fit in where
get in where he can fit in and play the role.
But Jalen Brown, we we said it, Rob rightly, upset
Rob g give us kind of the latest.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He's he's blaming Nike.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, he's not buying what grat Hill is selling.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like he's doubled down on it.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Right Grant even saying, I wore Felis most of my career.
He kind of jokingly was saying, it's not about Nike,
but Jalen's not buying it.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
So you'll recall yesterday he did the the monocle emoji,
you know, and then he did the at Nike, this
is what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
On Thursday, he doubled down on it with another tweet
saying I'm not afraid of you or your resources, a
direct shot at Nike, saying that Nike is the reason
why he's not on Team USA, regardless of what grat
Hill says. And actually The Athletic did a deep dive
on this exact situation months ago because, according to them,
(12:58):
Brown has had a a rocky relationship with Nike for
years now. You know, we talked about the Kyrie Irving
tweet that he put out where he said he questioned
their ethics, He had an Adidas deal that expired three
years ago, and he's so anti conglomerate according to this
report that he's never reared with another shoe company, and
(13:18):
when he wears Nikes in games, he'll actually cover up
the swoosh. That's how much he dislikes what they got
going on over there. So, if you believe Jalen Brown,
this has nothing to do with fit or chemistry or
skill set. It has to do with him being anti
establishment when it comes to the swoosh.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Well, I'll say this, Rob, I'm not automatically dismissing what
Jalen Brown is saying because we know business politics, it's
always lingering in the background somewhere. And Nike is a
(13:57):
sponsor for Team USA. Most of the players on the team,
I think all but three are Nike guys, and the
last thing they want is for Jalen Brown to be
up on the podium with a world on the world
stage and to say something about Nike. So I'm not
(14:19):
dismissing that that could have been a factor, or maybe
even the factor. I don't know, but I'm certainly not
just throwing it out as an impossibility.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We know that these things are all somewhat connected, so
it's not a shocker. And they do know. They remember
what people do and what people say and all kinds
of stuff, and they know whether you're on board or not.
And Jalen is not on board, which is fine, and
that's what you just have to deal with or live with,
(14:53):
Chris in some of these situations. But the idea that
Derek White is replacing uh Kawhi Leonard just to I
understand all the role players and we need him to
do to he should have been on a team. Then
why wouldn't he on a team? Come on, come on, stop,
you can't have it both ways, or somebody of that
(15:15):
ilk Chris, who was just better than him, you know,
like somebody who does the same stuff that was better
than him. If Kawhi Leonard was healthy, he'd still be there,
but he wouldn't be a le and he wouldn't be
a role player, and he wouldn't be doing the uh
stuff that you need guys like that to do.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And Chris the only other non Nike athletes on this team,
Joel embiid sketchers, I think, is who he's with. So
he likes comfortable shoes that don't cost a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Steph Curry, he does have those lower limb.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So he needs right like you know, he's like to
help his under armor.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
People make fun of Steph Curry and his shoes, but
the nurses in the hospitals, a lot of them wear
his sneakers because.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They everybody said that because of the one the first?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Right was it the first? Because the first early ones
that came out Christ the Hunts ones were white. His
first signature sho was white first, yes and fluffy. They
look like nurse shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think those were after anyway, well you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But you know that they were a pair that people
were like, those are nurse's shoes.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And then Anthony Edwards Chris was with the right. So
those are the only three nine Nike guys on the team.
Everybody else's Nike.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I would say this.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
And Jalen, Look, he has a problem with conglomerates, as
Rob G said, So he doesn't have a shoe deal
with anybody, but he's wearing the shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I get it. You have to play in something,
but you kept playing.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
If you're gonna play in Adidas, you might as well
get get some of their money from them, I say.
But I would also say this, Rob, don't wear Nikes.
Why why if you're that upset with Nike, why are
you wearing their sneaker?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Probably for comfort, like like you get you used to
wearing something Christmas.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
But he's not wearing them all the time. He's wearing
Adidas sometimes, you know, like I just if you're you,
you are covering up the logo. That's probably bringing more
attention to them.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And And someone could say, I guess it could be
viewed as negative, you're covering up the logo, but nobody's
stopping buying Nikes because of that.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So I would.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Say, if you're if you don't like Nike to the
point where you have to cover up the logo, Now
maybe you don't like Adidas either, but you're not to
the point where you're covering up the three stripes.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So just wear Adidas.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Or under armor or something else that you're not as
upset about. But I'm saying, if you're that tick thaw
by Nike, don't wear the shoe.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
That would make sense if you really are that bothered
by it. But maybe he really isn't. Now he's just
of course upset or frustrated because he's not on the
team and believes that they're behind it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So that's a little bit more. And I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I know, if somebody did something maybe that I didn't like,
or had something, I definitely wouldn't entertain it, or wouldn't
go back to their restaurant, or wouldn't, you know what
I mean, patronize anything. I mean, you know, if you
raise the money on a diet coke on me, I
might not ever come back into your restaurant.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I'm just saying I think you've done that. But you
know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Saying, right, I could easily say, well, it's convenient, right,
and it's close and I want to fountain drink and no,
but I decided that I wasn't gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So I hear you.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I don't think it will cause a
problem with the Celtics. I think he understand, you know,
it's it's Derek White, is not his fault. I don't
want to, you know, say it like it's just a negative.
Obviously it's a great thing for Derek White. So I
wouldn't think that Jalen Brown would allow us to mess
(19:14):
up their locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Uh. They have three Celtics.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
On the team, Team USA and Brown.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, he shouldn't hold against Derek. Derek didn't pick itself
for the team. That's not fair, right.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
And I'll say this too because somebody I don't know
if it was maybe it was Rob g saying it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
How or maybe it was a caller.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I don't am not a guest, but somebody brought up
how you know it was Eddie House actually, how he's
been snubbed, you know, didn't make all NBA. There are
a couple that was once now of course this team USA,
and there was one other snub.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I couldn't think about what it was.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
But remember he was voted Eastern Conference Finals MVP and
robbed in a situation which I'm not I don't think
it was you know that Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Got jobbed or got robbed.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But I do think Jason Tatum should have been the
finals MVP.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think it was close, and I think you know
the numbers.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I mean, he led them in his points, rebounded and assists,
so I think he is the only one who had
two thirty point games.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So I think, even.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Though he certainly wasn't didn't play an A plus series
or even maybe an A series, I thought he should
have been the finals MVP.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You thought that as well, well, well, he led in
every category.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's hard to not get it when you do that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And the other thing too, And I don't remember off
the top of my head, was it six for twenty.
Jalen Play had a terrible shooting night in the closeout.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Game, right right right right.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
A lot of I'm saying, well, the first three games
were the most important.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, but the close out is a close out. It's tough.
It's tough to close.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I just not when you shoot that poorly, you know what,
Like it was a really six for twenty two this
something like that.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It was, it was, it was pretty bad, and so
I just you know, he didn't get you know, snub
became the finals MVP. Maybe he got you know, even
you know, it was close. I mean it was very close.
I think it was five four, so it was close.
But you know, I just don't want it to paint like, oh,
(21:34):
everybody hates Jalen when he did, you know, just get
too great awards. But it's unfortunate because we do think
he should be on the team.
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Speaker 4 (21:56):
Rob I'm ticked, I'm upset.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I'm at my wits end. And it had something to
do with baseball.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yes, wow, Why oh why does it keep happening.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I know, I know what your analytics say, I know
what the trend is, but the fact is it ain't working.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Guys are still getting hurt. I'm not saying eliminate pitch counts.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And all that altogether.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But when someone who is having a legendary start to
a career, someone who can bring eyeballs to baseball that
usually are on baseball, someone who on average his average
(23:05):
fast bass darn near one.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Hundred miles an hour, not his best.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
His average fast balls darn near one hundred miles an hour,
he is rob We talked about Fernando Valenzuela a few.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Days ago, Fernando Mania, Yes, nineteen eighty one. Right.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, Paul Schemes with his eighty nine strikeouts his one
point nine zero ERA this season, he has the most
strikeouts with a sub two point zero RA three eleven
starts since ERRA became an official statistic in nineteen thirteen.
(23:52):
The second guy with the most was Valezuela in nineteen
eighty one, he had seventy nine. My point, I say
all that to say this. You heard Steve the Seger
say it earlier. Paul Schemes, who has taken the major
leagues by storm, just got drafted out of lsu Is,
(24:15):
has been the best pitcher in the league since he's
you know what made when he.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Started throwing, he had a no hitter going.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Through six was his six or seven innings a no
hitter going through seven innings eleven K's was mowing them down.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
In Milwaukee. Oh, but he threw.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Ninety nine pitches, never mind that sixty five of them
were strikes. He wasn't getting weary, but the analytics geeks
were getting scared.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Ninety nine pitches, no hitter? Who cares? History in the making.
Who cares? The fans who paid top dollar and want
to see something special? Who cares?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
They took him out. Rob and his replacement gave up
a hit. With the quickness, there would be no combined
and no hitter. The Pirates still won, but they lost
the no hitter, and more importantly, Paul's schemes lost the
(25:35):
no hitter and Rob.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I'm tired of it. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It's hard for me to push back or argue on
this because I'm with you. I just do not understand
the thought process. This is a young guy, a rookie, Chris.
Give him a chance. If he gives up a hit,
or you know, he walks somebody or you know where,
it's obvious. Okay, maybe he's a tiring or something. But
(26:00):
to just take it out of his hands, makes no
sense to me. Paul Skeins has been so impressive Chris,
and I'm not this prisoner of the moment. Hey put
him in the All Star Game?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Do this?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Do that his numbers are worthy? Like what you just
brought up, Fernando Valezuela. When you start to mention, go
look at some of the other pitchers he's linked with.
You know who Carrie Wood to pitch for the Cubs.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
You remember him.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Chris was a fireball. Dwight Good and Doctor k pitched
for the Mets. He's in He's in the territory with
all those guys. Yep, Mark Fiedrich. The Bird Chris pitched
and started the All Star Game in nineteen seventy six
after only eleven starts.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
So I love you remember the Bird.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
He was exciting, He brought like color, you know, he
was charismatic and all that.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But but he pitched on it. He only had eleven starts. Chris,
he started the All Star Game for them. He's the
biggest thing in baseball.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Skeens is in the Star right.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What I'm saying, I'd make him the starter is what
I'm say saying, like, oh yeah, he should be.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
He should start the game.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Absolutely, But the idea that they keep robbing us there,
you know, in trying to, you know, safeguard people, people
still get hurt. Even with all these kid gloves going around, Chris,
it doesn't stop people from getting hurt. People are still
getting hurt and whatnot. So I don't know what the
kid gloves are all about. And the other thing I
(27:24):
don't like is you're robbing the fans of some history
and you don't go to the ballpark all the time.
I watched David Wells pitch a perfect game against the
Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Chris and Yankees.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Said, I remember it, and I remember his stuff, and
I was like, can you imagine had they taken him out, because,
oh my god, how many pictures he's thrown. It's ridiculous.
Give the guy a chance. Somebody gets a hate Chris,
and it's broken up. Okay, it's over right. We're gonna
leave you in kid until you if you got it,
And now it's just like, well, ninety nine pictures. We
(27:58):
need to get him out of there. We don't need
to because we don't want to burn them out. We
don't want to do that. What a young kid, the
prime of his life what's wrong with these guys?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Rob, we talked about it yesterday. How you know Willie
Mays and Hank Air and made twenty plus All Star games.
Will we ever see it again? No one's made twelve
more than twelve straight because of the injury since Mariano right,
the injuries guys back in the day, ninety nine pitches
(28:31):
was nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
What do we always bring up Nolan Ryan the two
thirty five? What he pitches?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, in a game and Rob, he ended up pitching
till he was what forty six in his forties, but
he had unbelievable and throw hard as anybody. He was
the hardest thrower at that time. Yep, So I'm like
and schemes. By the way, Rob, and I was alluding
to this at the start of the segment. His average
(28:57):
fastball velocity is ninety nine miles an hour average. You
know what the average is in the in MLB among
the starting pitchers, ninety three, ninety three, You're right, ninety three.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So this dude on averages throw at ninety nine and
Chris I was right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It was June fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, Nolan Ryan threw
two hundred and thirty five pitches Chris in a start
against the Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
His stat line it was a thirteen inning game.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Chris, Nobody didn't the bullpen didn't come in. Two hundred
and thirty five pitches hitch ready, thirteen innings, nineteen strikeouts,
He walked ten guys and he faced fifty eight batters.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Can you he didn't even miss a start? No, he
pitched his next start.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He absolutely did, because I did read that in thinking, well,
did that cost him a starter or too after? No,
he made his next start. Can you imagine a manager
coming to getting Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Rob here in the look?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
It bears repeating because I've said it before, as we've
talked about this, because I'm sure the analytics, we know
they're telling them it's just better for the picture. You're
saving his arm, which there's no, we don't see the
evidence because guys keep getting hurt now it seems more
than ever. But maybe there's something else they'll say, because
(30:21):
it's maybe not in this case. I don't see how
they would have in this case, but other cases, Rob
they'll say, well, this is the third time or fourth
time around that they're seeing this picture right the lineup?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, can I stop that, Yeah, he would chide his
final sixteen Chris Right, striking out eight of them. This
is like his final final sixteen batters, right that he
faked Right and schemes. Now is the only player in
Major League Baseball history to have multiple games with six
plus innings.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Chris pitched zero hits and allowed as a rookie in
a rookie season. So think about that. The taking away moments. Rob,
they're taking away moments.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
The no hitters always been special, always been special.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It is special, you know how they're taking it away.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
As I told you before, as a guy Chris who
goes to baseball games, who covered baseball since nineteen eighty six,
I haven't seen that many no.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Hitters, you know, like it doesn't happen every day.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I just gave you the perfect game of David Wells
against the Twins, and you remember it and I remember
it because it is special.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You don't see that every day you go to the ballpark.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Right, and now they're they're taking away those moments. I
don't care if you think it's more effective to bring
in a reliever who's got a fresh arm. At the
end of the day, this is entertainment too. These are
It is about creating memories too. There's there were young
(31:56):
kids there rob at the game who would have loved
to have seen a no hitter. They would have been
able to tell that story their entire lives. Now it's gone.
The shift drop. It's the same thing as the ship.
The shift was great. Strategically, it's not and this isn't
(32:19):
good for the game. When you take the ball out
of the player's hands, Chris, let the players decide, not
the managers in some geek with a pencil protector's there
stop it. We saw them do this to uh, even
Clayton Kershaw. You remember a couple of years ago, Chris,
he had a perfect game going.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't and they were like, whoa, we're trying to
save him from getting hurt. He still got hurt that
year they took him out. He still got hurt. What
are you doing a chance to pitch a perfect game?
Let him walk the guy in he ate to start
the eighth Chris. If he walks a guy, or if
he gives up a hit, then you take him outright.
He might have got a first pitch pop up, you
(33:00):
know what I mean, and got out of the inning
after giving up eight pitches, and.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I don't think it had anything to do with them
thinking he you know, oh he's losing it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
No, no, no, not gonna be able to stay hot.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I think it was totally like they got a rule, right,
you don't get more than one hundred pitches or whatever.
I mean, it's just terrible because look, these games, we
need stars, we need superstars, we need big names. And
players become in any of the sports, they become big
(33:35):
names by doing the incredible and one of the incredible
things is the no hitter.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And you just this.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Chris So the manager was questioned about the whole thing
after the game, and the you know, the media pushedback
and said, was this analytics and asked him that directly,
and he said, no, it wasn't, which of course company line,
but he's said Christian was the eye test. The eye
test is that he retire sixteen straight right and struck
out eight of them.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I would say, what eye tests?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What did you see when he was retiring sixteen in
a row that made you think he.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Was losing it? What? What? What was it?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
He's struck out of guy, He's struck out a guy
on five pitches instead of three.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Is that when he was losing.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
It, right, I mean, come on, he and eight yeah,
eight of those guys went down strikeout right, eight of
those last sixteen. It's just look, it's just baseball getting
in its own way again, Rob. They made some good
decisions with the pitch cla have, They've changed the stolen
bases back and all that, but it's just I'm sorry,
(34:42):
like analytics just it's like takes all the fun out
of the.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Big time in some ways. You know, Rob g tell us,
I think you have the breakdown.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, So they said he was tired the eye test,
that's what the manager said that he looked tired. Christ
to the manager, Derek Shelton, here are the speeds of
the last six or he threw seven pitches in the
seventh inning, so it's not like he was laboring there
at the end. Ninety seven mile hour fastball, eighty one curve,
ninety one splitter, ninety three splitter, eighty one curve, ninety
(35:15):
three splitter, and you talked about it and he looked tired,
and to get him out of there.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Ninety three is the average pitch. That's the pitch in
the major leg and that was a splitter.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Was splitter right now.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
That's just and that's the thing about Skins like he
he's I mean, as hard as he throws, he's got
more than.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Just He looks older than than he does. Yeah, he
definitely does.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
He has an older look to him like that, No doubt,
he definitely does, no doubt. I hope Rob that he
stays healthy because this dude is you know and you mentioned,
you mentioned the carry Woods and you know good even
Fernando didn't go on, you know what I mean, to
like have the career that that would equate to the
(35:58):
hot start, right, I hope this kid does
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Kevin Durant was talking.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
He was on the Logan Paul's podcast called Impulsive Like
Impulsive Impulsive, and he was asked who was the Big
three in the NBA? Now, I wonder if Logan Paul
asked the question. I don't know who did ask it,
but if it was Logan Paul, did he really it
(00:54):
was his called? Did they know what they were talking about?
They say, who's the Big three in the NBA? Roger
the sound here has a Big three, Yeah, and then
the sound of the league.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I believe you'll hear the question in the sound here, however,
full full context in the conversation. It's Logan Paul, his
co host, and a social media influencer by the name
of Speed or something like that. And they're talking to
the influencer and he says, yeah, I'm part of kind
of like the big three when it comes to streaming.
It's me and these two other guys. And then that's
(01:27):
when the co says, hey, well, KD, who's the big
three of the NBA right now?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Here was his answer, take to listen. Okay, that's cool.
Who's the who's the big three in the NBA right now?
In your eyes? Don't just say it just big me?
Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I mean, if you would look at it, you could
say Lebron, Steph myself.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I mean it's I mean the NBA is different, right,
No big threes, It's like a big thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So that that straightens it out.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I mean, that's that's logical, right, You're talking about a
big three of this or that.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And he says, who's a big three of the NBA? Okay,
that's cool. Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I agree that Lebron's Steph and then to a lesser degree,
but still, Kevin Durant are the three giants of this generation.
Lebron's just playing so long that he's now in the
Steph generation as well, But they would be the three
giants of this generation. So from that perspective, I give
(02:27):
it to Kevin Durant. But if there was a Big three,
if you had the name, I mean, just the three
best players. I think there is a clear Big three
in the NBA, and right now.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It would be Nikole Jokic, Luka Doncic, and Giannis Sonte
de Koupo. I think that would be the Big three
if there was such a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Rock And this is a total disregard of international players
and acting like they haven't done anything and they don't
raid or whatever. It doesn't make any sense. The Jokers
won three of the last four MVPs.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Chris, Hello, well, yeah, you're right, and the three guys
we named and Luke hadn't even won one, but they've
won five of the last six, right, I mean, like
the are the one in MVPs is twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean, like, what really and where is again listening
to these lame podcasts. Where can somebody just push back
on Kevin Durant and say, the Jokers won three in
the last four, he doesn't raid, he's not in your
top three of the Big three. Can we get a
little bit of that? Can you work for five seconds
(03:43):
on the podcast. Can you work for the listener and
make you feel like you're listening and you're not just
head nodding every time somebody opens their pie hole and
just spouts anything out that's ridic Chris.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
They don't even flinch. Wh we just talked about. To
forget about is a boxer.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Like I don't even know what these docking questions as
if they're reporters and they're trying to get information and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
If you're gonna ask questions, can you please have a
follow up? Can you please make him explain why he
believes what he believes? Can you please just throw them
a little bit and say, why are you disregarding and
disrespecting the international players who have won the last six
m vps.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Kevin Durant? Why I do agree with that?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And you know, I think these podcasts and I'm not
even gonna put Logan Paul you know, the other Micah Parsons,
the you know, Draymond Green's and the Paul George's and
all those guys, the Kelsey brothers who have their podcast.
You know, I think they do have value in that
(05:01):
they get the player that typically players will really be
themselves with Kevin Garnett's certified podcast things like that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So there, that's a there's a value in that. But
you're right.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean, imagine how much better it would have been
if if they have pushed back, like, wait a minute,
yr Kischen isn't in a big three? They? You know, no,
it would right, And then explain yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And then if you said, well, this, that and the
other thing, I might be intrigued to say, right, wow, okay,
is that what you think? Okay, so now I understand
why you feel the way you feel. I said this
all the time because it's people don't have to agree
with your opinion. The one thing that people want is
(05:53):
they want to feel like, can you make the arguments?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So at least I know how you got there? You
know what I mean? Hey, I value this over that.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
When I look at it, winning doesn't matter because you
talk about all the time, winning the finals, MVP isn't
a big deal to you, So it doesn't affect you,
know the way you look at people.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I look at it a little different, right, But you
you can both explain our our vantage point, right, what.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You look for and what matters to you, And then
you could I've had people say, I totally disagree with
you on your take, but I understand how you got there.
You know, you explained it to me, and I understand
why you think the way you do. I just don't
agree with it, and I think that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's not about a right or wrong opinion. Kevin Durant.
That's his opinion.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But if it would just be better for all of
us if he could just explain it a little bit
more and dig and give me insight why he's abandoned
all of the international players who was he didn't even name.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I mean, and if you listen to the you know,
we only played a little bit of it. But as
he goes on, you know, he says everybody you know
he goes We heard him say there's a big three.
There's no big threes, it's like a big thirty. Well no,
it's not a big thirty. There's not a big thirty, right,
But everybody got their own brands. But the three oldest
(07:21):
that's still playing at a high level is me, Lebron
and Steph. Then he throws in Kawhi and Paul George.
There's a lot of guys Bro, you can't just put
three in it, like he's basically kind of nullifying. He
gives an answer and then kind of nullifies it, kind
of backs up from it. And so that's where like
you said, we do on this show, especially you, well, no,
(07:45):
you gotta give us, give us a three, give us
a three, right, And okay, that's your three?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Why you know?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
And so I look, that's why I agree with when
he said the guys that have been playing for the longest,
the three oldest guys that are still at a high level.
And he can be in that group because he, Lebron,
and step are all putting up essentially the same numbers
they've put up throughout their careers.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So there's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But if you go if rob, if somebody wants to
say Lebron and Steph are still a part of the
quote unquote big three of the league, you can make
an argument for.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That because.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
They're both you know, they're still two of the biggest
draws in the league.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They're two of the most popular players in the league.
I would not put KD in that.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Group, in that group with them if we're basing it
on like kind of relevance in the League. Now, people
still are wondering, will will Lebron find a way to
get another one? Will Steph find a way to get
another one? Not most likely, but people are still wondering that.
(09:04):
I don't know that people are wondering that about KD.
I mean, you said it a while ago that he's
kind of NBA dead. He is because just not as
like those two.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
They're just they're more relevant than KD at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yep, and KD having a great had a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Great season last year. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Well, I think it's because they've won more than him.
I think that it just boils down to that that
those those two, if you know, in addition to being
synonymous with, you know, their individual brilliance in this generation,
they won four rings each.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's great. Kd's got his two, which is great.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
But it's not like those guys, and they've they're winning
has spanned I mean, Lebron's won from what twenty twelve
to twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Two, that's eight years.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Ah Stap's one from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty two,
that's seven years.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Kd's winning was two years back to back.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So I think that's why they're more relevant than him.
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Yeah, Rob g So Jalen Brown. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Grant Hill addressed why he did not make the team
and instead his teammate Derek White, who's not a star. Uh,
not as good as Jalen Brown, he was chosen and
essentially they played the same position. But Grant talked about
wanting a player who you know, they're building the team.
(11:31):
It's not just getting the best names and how they
like that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Derek White not only.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You know, is a he's a great defender and shooter,
but he the role he plays for Boston is the
role he'll play for Team USA. So it's not like
you have to ask a star to hey, can you
just be a role player on this team. That's what
Derek White does. That's what Derek White is, and so
(12:00):
it'll be second nature for him to fit in where
get in where he can fit in and play the role.
But Jalen Brown, we we said it, Rob rightly, upset
Rob g give us kind of the latest.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He's he's blaming Nike.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, he's not buying what grat Hill is selling.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like he's doubled down on it.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Right Grant even saying, I wore Felis most of my career.
He kind of jokingly was saying, it's not about Nike,
but Jalen's not buying it.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
So you'll recall yesterday he did the the monocle emoji,
you know, and then he did the at Nike, this
is what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
On Thursday, he doubled down on it with another tweet
saying I'm not afraid of you or your resources, a
direct shot at Nike, saying that Nike is the reason
why he's not on Team USA, regardless of what grat
Hill says. And actually The Athletic did a deep dive
on this exact situation months ago because, according to them,
(12:58):
Brown has had a a rocky relationship with Nike for
years now. You know, we talked about the Kyrie Irving
tweet that he put out where he said he questioned
their ethics, He had an Adidas deal that expired three
years ago, and he's so anti conglomerate according to this
report that he's never reared with another shoe company, and
(13:18):
when he wears Nikes in games, he'll actually cover up
the swoosh. That's how much he dislikes what they got
going on over there. So, if you believe Jalen Brown,
this has nothing to do with fit or chemistry or
skill set. It has to do with him being anti
establishment when it comes to the swoosh.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Well, I'll say this, Rob, I'm not automatically dismissing what
Jalen Brown is saying because we know business politics, it's
always lingering in the background somewhere. And Nike is a
(13:57):
sponsor for Team USA. Most of the players on the team,
I think all but three are Nike guys, and the
last thing they want is for Jalen Brown to be
up on the podium with a world on the world
stage and to say something about Nike. So I'm not
(14:19):
dismissing that that could have been a factor, or maybe
even the factor. I don't know, but I'm certainly not
just throwing it out as an impossibility.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We know that these things are all somewhat connected, so
it's not a shocker. And they do know. They remember
what people do and what people say and all kinds
of stuff, and they know whether you're on board or not.
And Jalen is not on board, which is fine, and
that's what you just have to deal with or live with,
(14:53):
Chris in some of these situations. But the idea that
Derek White is replacing uh Kawhi Leonard just to I
understand all the role players and we need him to
do to he should have been on a team. Then
why wouldn't he on a team? Come on, come on, stop,
you can't have it both ways, or somebody of that
(15:15):
ilk Chris, who was just better than him, you know,
like somebody who does the same stuff that was better
than him. If Kawhi Leonard was healthy, he'd still be there,
but he wouldn't be a le and he wouldn't be
a role player, and he wouldn't be doing the uh
stuff that you need guys like that to do.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And Chris the only other non Nike athletes on this team,
Joel embiid sketchers, I think, is who he's with. So
he likes comfortable shoes that don't cost a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Steph Curry, he does have those lower limb.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So he needs right like you know, he's like to
help his under armor.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
People make fun of Steph Curry and his shoes, but
the nurses in the hospitals, a lot of them wear
his sneakers because.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They everybody said that because of the one the first?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Right was it the first? Because the first early ones
that came out Christ the Hunts ones were white. His
first signature sho was white first, yes and fluffy. They
look like nurse shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think those were after anyway, well you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But you know that they were a pair that people
were like, those are nurse's shoes.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And then Anthony Edwards Chris was with the right. So
those are the only three nine Nike guys on the team.
Everybody else's Nike.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I would say this.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
And Jalen, Look, he has a problem with conglomerates, as
Rob G said, So he doesn't have a shoe deal
with anybody, but he's wearing the shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I get it. You have to play in something,
but you kept playing.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
If you're gonna play in Adidas, you might as well
get get some of their money from them, I say.
But I would also say this, Rob, don't wear Nikes.
Why why if you're that upset with Nike, why are
you wearing their sneaker?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Probably for comfort, like like you get you used to
wearing something Christmas.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
But he's not wearing them all the time. He's wearing
Adidas sometimes, you know, like I just if you're you,
you are covering up the logo. That's probably bringing more
attention to them.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And And someone could say, I guess it could be
viewed as negative, you're covering up the logo, but nobody's
stopping buying Nikes because of that.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So I would.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Say, if you're if you don't like Nike to the
point where you have to cover up the logo, Now
maybe you don't like Adidas either, but you're not to
the point where you're covering up the three stripes.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So just wear Adidas.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Or under armor or something else that you're not as
upset about. But I'm saying, if you're that tick thaw
by Nike, don't wear the shoe.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
That would make sense if you really are that bothered
by it. But maybe he really isn't. Now he's just
of course upset or frustrated because he's not on the
team and believes that they're behind it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So that's a little bit more. And I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I know, if somebody did something maybe that I didn't like,
or had something, I definitely wouldn't entertain it, or wouldn't
go back to their restaurant, or wouldn't, you know what
I mean, patronize anything. I mean, you know, if you
raise the money on a diet coke on me, I
might not ever come back into your restaurant.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I'm just saying I think you've done that. But you
know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Saying, right, I could easily say, well, it's convenient, right,
and it's close and I want to fountain drink and no,
but I decided that I wasn't gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So I hear you.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I don't think it will cause a
problem with the Celtics. I think he understand, you know,
it's it's Derek White, is not his fault. I don't
want to, you know, say it like it's just a negative.
Obviously it's a great thing for Derek White. So I
wouldn't think that Jalen Brown would allow us to mess
(19:14):
up their locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Uh. They have three Celtics.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
On the team, Team USA and Brown.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, he shouldn't hold against Derek. Derek didn't pick itself
for the team. That's not fair, right.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
And I'll say this too because somebody I don't know
if it was maybe it was Rob g saying it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
How or maybe it was a caller.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I don't am not a guest, but somebody brought up
how you know it was Eddie House actually, how he's
been snubbed, you know, didn't make all NBA. There are
a couple that was once now of course this team USA,
and there was one other snub.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I couldn't think about what it was.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
But remember he was voted Eastern Conference Finals MVP and
robbed in a situation which I'm not I don't think
it was you know that Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Got jobbed or got robbed.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But I do think Jason Tatum should have been the
finals MVP.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think it was close, and I think you know
the numbers.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I mean, he led them in his points, rebounded and assists,
so I think he is the only one who had
two thirty point games.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So I think, even.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Though he certainly wasn't didn't play an A plus series
or even maybe an A series, I thought he should
have been the finals MVP.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You thought that as well, well, well, he led in
every category.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's hard to not get it when you do that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And the other thing too, And I don't remember off
the top of my head, was it six for twenty.
Jalen Play had a terrible shooting night in the closeout.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Game, right right right right.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
A lot of I'm saying, well, the first three games
were the most important.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, but the close out is a close out. It's tough.
It's tough to close.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I just not when you shoot that poorly, you know what,
Like it was a really six for twenty two this
something like that.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It was, it was, it was pretty bad, and so
I just you know, he didn't get you know, snub
became the finals MVP. Maybe he got you know, even
you know, it was close. I mean it was very close.
I think it was five four, so it was close.
But you know, I just don't want it to paint like, oh,
(21:34):
everybody hates Jalen when he did, you know, just get
too great awards. But it's unfortunate because we do think
he should be on the team.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
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Speaker 4 (21:56):
Rob I'm ticked, I'm upset.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I'm at my wits end. And it had something to
do with baseball.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yes, wow, Why oh why does it keep happening.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I know, I know what your analytics say, I know
what the trend is, but the fact is it ain't working.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Guys are still getting hurt. I'm not saying eliminate pitch counts.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And all that altogether.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But when someone who is having a legendary start to
a career, someone who can bring eyeballs to baseball that
usually are on baseball, someone who on average his average
(23:05):
fast bass darn near one.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Hundred miles an hour, not his best.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
His average fast balls darn near one hundred miles an hour,
he is rob We talked about Fernando Valenzuela a few.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Days ago, Fernando Mania, Yes, nineteen eighty one. Right.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, Paul Schemes with his eighty nine strikeouts his one
point nine zero ERA this season, he has the most
strikeouts with a sub two point zero RA three eleven
starts since ERRA became an official statistic in nineteen thirteen.
(23:52):
The second guy with the most was Valezuela in nineteen
eighty one, he had seventy nine. My point, I say
all that to say this. You heard Steve the Seger
say it earlier. Paul Schemes, who has taken the major
leagues by storm, just got drafted out of lsu Is,
(24:15):
has been the best pitcher in the league since he's
you know what made when he.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Started throwing, he had a no hitter going.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Through six was his six or seven innings a no
hitter going through seven innings eleven K's was mowing them down.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
In Milwaukee. Oh, but he threw.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Ninety nine pitches, never mind that sixty five of them
were strikes. He wasn't getting weary, but the analytics geeks
were getting scared.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Ninety nine pitches, no hitter? Who cares? History in the making.
Who cares? The fans who paid top dollar and want
to see something special? Who cares?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
They took him out. Rob and his replacement gave up
a hit. With the quickness, there would be no combined
and no hitter. The Pirates still won, but they lost
the no hitter, and more importantly, Paul's schemes lost the
(25:35):
no hitter and Rob.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I'm tired of it. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It's hard for me to push back or argue on
this because I'm with you. I just do not understand
the thought process. This is a young guy, a rookie, Chris.
Give him a chance. If he gives up a hit,
or you know, he walks somebody or you know where,
it's obvious. Okay, maybe he's a tiring or something. But
(26:00):
to just take it out of his hands, makes no
sense to me. Paul Skeins has been so impressive Chris,
and I'm not this prisoner of the moment. Hey put
him in the All Star Game?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Do this?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Do that his numbers are worthy? Like what you just
brought up, Fernando Valezuela. When you start to mention, go
look at some of the other pitchers he's linked with.
You know who Carrie Wood to pitch for the Cubs.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
You remember him.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Chris was a fireball. Dwight Good and Doctor k pitched
for the Mets. He's in He's in the territory with
all those guys. Yep, Mark Fiedrich. The Bird Chris pitched
and started the All Star Game in nineteen seventy six
after only eleven starts.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
So I love you remember the Bird.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
He was exciting, He brought like color, you know, he
was charismatic and all that.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But but he pitched on it. He only had eleven starts. Chris,
he started the All Star Game for them. He's the
biggest thing in baseball.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Skeens is in the Star right.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What I'm saying, I'd make him the starter is what
I'm say saying, like, oh yeah, he should be.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
He should start the game.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Absolutely, But the idea that they keep robbing us there,
you know, in trying to, you know, safeguard people, people
still get hurt. Even with all these kid gloves going around, Chris,
it doesn't stop people from getting hurt. People are still
getting hurt and whatnot. So I don't know what the
kid gloves are all about. And the other thing I
(27:24):
don't like is you're robbing the fans of some history
and you don't go to the ballpark all the time.
I watched David Wells pitch a perfect game against the
Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Chris and Yankees.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Said, I remember it, and I remember his stuff, and
I was like, can you imagine had they taken him out, because,
oh my god, how many pictures he's thrown. It's ridiculous.
Give the guy a chance. Somebody gets a hate Chris,
and it's broken up. Okay, it's over right. We're gonna
leave you in kid until you if you got it,
And now it's just like, well, ninety nine pictures. We
(27:58):
need to get him out of there. We don't need
to because we don't want to burn them out. We
don't want to do that. What a young kid, the
prime of his life what's wrong with these guys?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Rob, we talked about it yesterday. How you know Willie
Mays and Hank Air and made twenty plus All Star games.
Will we ever see it again? No one's made twelve
more than twelve straight because of the injury since Mariano right,
the injuries guys back in the day, ninety nine pitches
(28:31):
was nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
What do we always bring up Nolan Ryan the two
thirty five? What he pitches?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, in a game and Rob, he ended up pitching
till he was what forty six in his forties, but
he had unbelievable and throw hard as anybody. He was
the hardest thrower at that time. Yep, So I'm like
and schemes. By the way, Rob, and I was alluding
to this at the start of the segment. His average
(28:57):
fastball velocity is ninety nine miles an hour average. You
know what the average is in the in MLB among
the starting pitchers, ninety three, ninety three, You're right, ninety three.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So this dude on averages throw at ninety nine and
Chris I was right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It was June fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, Nolan Ryan threw
two hundred and thirty five pitches Chris in a start
against the Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
His stat line it was a thirteen inning game.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Chris, Nobody didn't the bullpen didn't come in. Two hundred
and thirty five pitches hitch ready, thirteen innings, nineteen strikeouts,
He walked ten guys and he faced fifty eight batters.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Can you he didn't even miss a start? No, he
pitched his next start.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He absolutely did, because I did read that in thinking, well,
did that cost him a starter or too after? No,
he made his next start. Can you imagine a manager
coming to getting Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Rob here in the look?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
It bears repeating because I've said it before, as we've
talked about this, because I'm sure the analytics, we know
they're telling them it's just better for the picture. You're
saving his arm, which there's no, we don't see the
evidence because guys keep getting hurt now it seems more
than ever. But maybe there's something else they'll say, because
(30:21):
it's maybe not in this case. I don't see how
they would have in this case, but other cases, Rob
they'll say, well, this is the third time or fourth
time around that they're seeing this picture right the lineup?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, can I stop that, Yeah, he would chide his
final sixteen Chris Right, striking out eight of them. This
is like his final final sixteen batters, right that he
faked Right and schemes. Now is the only player in
Major League Baseball history to have multiple games with six
plus innings.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Chris pitched zero hits and allowed as a rookie in
a rookie season. So think about that. The taking away moments. Rob,
they're taking away moments.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
The no hitters always been special, always been special.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It is special, you know how they're taking it away.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
As I told you before, as a guy Chris who
goes to baseball games, who covered baseball since nineteen eighty six,
I haven't seen that many no.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Hitters, you know, like it doesn't happen every day.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I just gave you the perfect game of David Wells
against the Twins, and you remember it and I remember
it because it is special.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You don't see that every day you go to the ballpark.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Right, and now they're they're taking away those moments. I
don't care if you think it's more effective to bring
in a reliever who's got a fresh arm. At the
end of the day, this is entertainment too. These are
It is about creating memories too. There's there were young
(31:56):
kids there rob at the game who would have loved
to have seen a no hitter. They would have been
able to tell that story their entire lives. Now it's gone.
The shift drop. It's the same thing as the ship.
The shift was great. Strategically, it's not and this isn't
(32:19):
good for the game. When you take the ball out
of the player's hands, Chris, let the players decide, not
the managers in some geek with a pencil protector's there
stop it. We saw them do this to uh, even
Clayton Kershaw. You remember a couple of years ago, Chris,
he had a perfect game going.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't and they were like, whoa, we're trying to
save him from getting hurt. He still got hurt that
year they took him out. He still got hurt. What
are you doing a chance to pitch a perfect game?
Let him walk the guy in he ate to start
the eighth Chris. If he walks a guy, or if
he gives up a hit, then you take him outright.
He might have got a first pitch pop up, you
(33:00):
know what I mean, and got out of the inning
after giving up eight pitches, and.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I don't think it had anything to do with them
thinking he you know, oh he's losing it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
No, no, no, not gonna be able to stay hot.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I think it was totally like they got a rule, right,
you don't get more than one hundred pitches or whatever.
I mean, it's just terrible because look, these games, we
need stars, we need superstars, we need big names. And
players become in any of the sports, they become big
(33:35):
names by doing the incredible and one of the incredible
things is the no hitter.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And you just this.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Chris So the manager was questioned about the whole thing
after the game, and the you know, the media pushedback
and said, was this analytics and asked him that directly,
and he said, no, it wasn't, which of course company line,
but he's said Christian was the eye test. The eye
test is that he retire sixteen straight right and struck
out eight of them.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I would say, what eye tests?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What did you see when he was retiring sixteen in
a row that made you think he.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Was losing it? What? What? What was it?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
He's struck out of guy, He's struck out a guy
on five pitches instead of three.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Is that when he was losing.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
It, right, I mean, come on, he and eight yeah,
eight of those guys went down strikeout right, eight of
those last sixteen. It's just look, it's just baseball getting
in its own way again, Rob. They made some good
decisions with the pitch cla have, They've changed the stolen
bases back and all that, but it's just I'm sorry,
(34:42):
like analytics just it's like takes all the fun out
of the.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Big time in some ways. You know, Rob g tell us,
I think you have the breakdown.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, So they said he was tired the eye test,
that's what the manager said that he looked tired. Christ
to the manager, Derek Shelton, here are the speeds of
the last six or he threw seven pitches in the
seventh inning, so it's not like he was laboring there
at the end. Ninety seven mile hour fastball, eighty one curve,
ninety one splitter, ninety three splitter, eighty one curve, ninety
(35:15):
three splitter, and you talked about it and he looked tired,
and to get him out of there.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Ninety three is the average pitch. That's the pitch in
the major leg and that was a splitter.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Was splitter right now.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
That's just and that's the thing about Skins like he
he's I mean, as hard as he throws, he's got
more than.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Just He looks older than than he does. Yeah, he
definitely does.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
He has an older look to him like that, No doubt,
he definitely does, no doubt. I hope Rob that he
stays healthy because this dude is you know and you mentioned,
you mentioned the carry Woods and you know good even
Fernando didn't go on, you know what I mean, to
like have the career that that would equate to the
(35:58):
hot start, right, I hope this kid does
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