July 31, 2024 • 39 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris discuss Steve Kerr’s decision to bench Joel Embiid one game after benching Jayson Tatum, whether or not Nikola Jokic is still easily the Best Player in the World and why your opinion of the Jeffrey Simmons viral moment with a Nashville radio host depends on what side of the microphone you’re on.
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Speaker 1 (01:20):
Even SAMs Rob Parker, and in.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
His place none other than former NFL quarterback Sean King.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What's up man?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
I'm good to my steam brother and the bond glad
to be.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I am fired up.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
I can smell the grass. Football's almost back.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Chris Olympics are going on Major League Baseball trade deadline.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Like I'm starting to get that feel again.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
It is a great time of year, like you said,
the anticipation for the football season, the Olympics, and yes,
we got plenty to talk about, and we will get
into it in the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
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Speaker 5 (01:59):
Supercer rived G is in the house on the ones
and twos, our man Mighty Mark Ramsey in for DJ,
Alex Tyshert on the updates.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Isaac Loewen Crime you just heard.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Him a moment ago and on social media, our man
Elijah Sebuna. So let's start here Sean with Team USA,
and you know they're expected to win the gold and.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So far, so good. They beat Serbia.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Now, Serbia obviously had who many people think, including myself,
is the best player in the world in Nicola Jokic
uh and then he had a squad with him that
last year last summer won or finished second in the
World Cup. They got the silver medal without Jokic, So
(02:52):
you know you thought, okay, they're a pretty good team.
We may handled them, beat them by twenty six. And
then today we met South Sudan, which had shocked America
in almost beating them in an exhibition game, lost by
a point on a last second shot by Lebron James, and.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Today it was kind of get back.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
We definitely took South Sudan lightly to take nothing away
from them, but today we ended up putting it on
them from the get go, had the lead essentially and
beat them by seventeen. Now, before we get into everything,
I was talking with some people earlier, and you know,
their exhibition games for Team USA were against teams in
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their group. So they played Serbia in an exhibition, played
South Sudan, and someone was saying to me, was that
really fair to not America necessarily? But like South Sudan,
if they had never played America in that exhibition game,
they would have had a chance. I'm not saying they
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would have beat them, but they could have snuck up,
you know what I mean, in America like they did
in the first game and they almost beat him, Whereas
this time, when it really counted, you couldn't sneak up
on them. So I thought there was some you know,
some some logic there, but nonetheless it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And one of the big stories today Jason.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Tatum, who had not played in the last game when
we beat Serby, and that was a huge story. He
actually started this game with Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Devin Booker,
and Steph Curry, and instead of Tatum not playing at all,
it was Joel Embiid and MVP, who you know did
(04:39):
not see any time. I'm sure and I don't know,
rob G. Did Steve Kurse say something about it?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Was he?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I'm sure it was asked about it, but I'm I'm
without even knowing. I have to believe he talked to
MB before the game and said, look, you know matchups
last game, Jason Tatum didn't play, so this game because
of the matchups, they're smaller, they're quicker.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
We're gonna give you the day off. But here here's
a quote from Steve Kerr.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Yeah, I wish we had the sound, but apparently it's
hard to get that kind of stuff from overseas. Steve
Kerr told the media the reason why he benched Joe
l Embiid was quote, this is the fastest team of
the tournament we're gonna play. We wanted to match up.
They made fourteen threes against us in London. The whole
game plan today was gonna be about switching and staying
in front of people. And then he also said later
(05:32):
that Joel Embiid will start the next game alongside Lebron James,
Steph Curry, Devin Booker and Drew Holiday. So Jason Tatum
back to the bench.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Who do we know? Who they're playing Puerto Rico.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Okay, all right, you said a lot. I mean you
said a lot.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
I'm going to put you on a word count moving
forward the rest of the three hours. I gotta be
able to get my opinions in points. Chris, stop trying
to bully be. I'm a guest in your house.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To your that's right, you are, remember to your first.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Point two NBA MVPs.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Nonwithstanding, Nikola Joker is not the best player in the world.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Anymore, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Who's better.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We might have to. We got three hours, right.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
I don't just bogged down in the first sea with
that people talk about that he's not the best player
in the world.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I'm not even gonna ask you that. I'm not gonna
have you spoil it.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Your answer is probably nonsensical, but we'll get it out.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Secondly, Steve Kurz tripping. I mean, they beat Serbia by
I think twenty six. They beat Sudan to day by
twenty I think seventeen. I mean, come on, everybody should
be getting minutes. I think in this stage of the
tournament or the Olympics, it's a tournament still that their group.
You're still trying to figure out what's your best five. Like,
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I think the one thing that has kind of separated
the team so far is anybody can have an offa
and they can still win. Like people talked about Tatum
not scoring or not playing right, they still won by
twenty six. Today Steph Curry was one to nine oh
six from three and they still won, but by seventeen.
So I think they're so loaded offensively, they have so
(07:14):
much firepower. I think people are just trying to make
a big deal out of small things. But then, and
if you're Steve Kurr, like why does Tatum not get
at least ten minutes? I agree that I could see
him be not playing because it's an entry too much,
you know, I can see him. I could see guys
like MB Anthony Davis, if they're not playing a big team,
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them resting because of their injury history. But come on, man,
Tatum's an athletic wing that can defend, that can score.
There's no reason for him not to see at least
double digit minutes.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah, I agree, I mean I got no issue there.
I will say this like we can't look at it like, oh,
they blew them out by twenty, So just empty the
benches because and look, the bench is great, right, we're
talking about all NBA level players all throughout the roster.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Do they even have a bench though, Chris, I mean
they started like a different five.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Well, yeah, I mean I'm just talking about per you know.
I mean, the only consistent starters have been Lebron, Steph
and kept. Well, I think it'll be Kevin Durant going forward,
but really he had been a consistent starter. But right,
the only ones who started I believe every game is
Lebron and Steph. But in the early rounds, it matters
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how much you beat a team by, like that's calculate, right,
So but again, you could still you can't tell me
you couldn't have put Jason Tatum in and still blown
out Serbia or EMBIID in tonight and still blown out
South Sudan.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But I think the EMBIID situation today.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Sean, Steve Kerr took a lot of heat, Charles Barkley,
Steven A. Smith, Kendrick Perkins, like a lot of people,
Rob Parker jumped on Steve Kerr and many more than
I just named for benching an All NBA player in
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Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So I honestly believe, and I don't know for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Maybe he would have done it anyway, but not playing
in bad which was a matchup, Like I get the
matchup thing, but not playing him at all. Sean, this
helped Steve Kerr with the Jason Tatum situation absolutely because.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He can now say it was never about Jason.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
You know, Jason's a phenomenal player, and you saw we
started in the next game and we needed him. I
mean that team was athletic and stuff. It was always
about the matchups. And like I said, I talked to
Jason before the game. I talked to Joel before this game.
Every game, it may be a different player.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know. First of all, I don't know that
that's the truth.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
And secondly, it doesn't have to be that way, because
to your point, everybody can get a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
But this helps, This gives Kerr.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
A somewhat believable and certainly logical explanation for why he
didn't play Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
What could you be playing against in Jason Tatum's a
bad matchup?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
No what I'm saying, Well, but the matchups, the matchups
were like they looked at Serbia was big and strong
and so they played three right, and they have guards.
Now you could I agree, because Tatum obviously can play guard.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But my point is just this, Now Steve.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Kirk can say with a straight face, it wasn't about
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It was about the matchups.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
And I mean, Joe Limby's one of the best five
players in the world and we didn't play him.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So don't come at me.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
He wouldn't say it like this, but don't come at
me like I benched Jason Tatum because it's just about
forty minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I can't get everybody in.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
There might be a player every game that doesn't play
happen to be Tatum.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
First, it was.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Joe LMB second, next time it might be he'll throw
out a name Devin Booker or something. So I'm just
saying it gives him a little cover. I agree with you.
I think it's hogwashed, but it certainly gives him some cover.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I just think this is Steve Kurr's biggest flaw because
we've seen it manifest hself with the Warriors last year
when he didn't wouldn't play not this, not this, not
Clay's last season there. The year were four when he
wouldn't play Kaminga in a series where you knew you
needed athleticism in youth. But he was in his feelings
against Kminga whn't playing. I don't know if something happened between.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Him and Tatum.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
I don't know if Tatum showed up like to shoot around,
and I'm speculating. I have no factual evidence whatsoever, but
I just think this might have been Kerr trying to
prove a point to Tatum. I don't know what that
point was, but I think that's what occurs weaknesses.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
He's sensitive. He holds is, in my opinion, to God.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
So why do you think he didn't play EMBIID. I
think it was complete. I think it was very much
related to the Tatum situation.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
And see I think he was and Bead's more believable
because you're playing a smaller Sudan team Anthony Davis and
Bam give you way more athleticism, way more ability to
run the court, get out on a fast break. I
just don't know who you could play against. What Jason
Tatum's like not a great.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Matchup for you? Well, look, especially when you.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Played Derek White and Devin Booker and I mean Anthony
Edwards and Drew Like. It's hard for you to tell
me Tatum sat because of matchup.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
I get him. Bid.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Here's what Tatum has to tell himself for his own
mental health, you know, insanity.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
This is not about and I want your opinion before
we go to break. This is not about who's better.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Jason Tatum is better than Derek White, better than Drew
hollid Day, better than Bam out of Bayu, and I
think he's.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Better than Devin Booker.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
But so he's got to understand they're not playing because
they're better than me, or they didn't play that game
because they're better than me. It's because of the you know,
matchups or whatever curse saw. But I know it's not
because I'm not better than those cats.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Do you be taking it personal? It should be about who.
This is an identical scenarios. This is an identical scenario
from the Dream Team Magic Bird of old Lebron KD.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
You're older.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
One of these guys got to step up and establish
themselves because the throne is empty, Tatum should be trying
to pull it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I am now, And the world wasn't empty.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
It didn't necessarily have an occupant yet. It was a
player of thrones the.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Last two championships.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Hey, the Targarians, the Starks like who whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You saw that on? Who was challenging Jordan in ninety two?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Hey, Magic Sons, him and Bird hadn't really relinquished to
get They had heard they they they know that Olympic
teams was winning actually.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Final in the league anymore.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
I mean, if I'm Jason Tatum, and if I'm Anthony
Edwards or Halla Burton, any of these young guys.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, and I want to leave the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
With Lebron, James and KD knowing in their mind that
their time is passed.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
And I'm now it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
All right, that's fresh, that's fresh.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
All right? Uh, we gonna come back.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Because Sean King threw out some nonsense about Nicola Yoga is.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Not the best player in the world.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
We didn't find out who he thinks is the best
player in the world around the corner, So keep it
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and dropped a bomb on me, like the gap band
type bomb when he said, NIKOLEA. Jokic is not the
best player in the world. And you know we we
teased you a little because we didn't have him name
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who he thinks is. So now, Sean King, the floor
is yours. Who is the best player in the world?
Speaker 7 (16:32):
And why there isn't one, Chris, there's a group of
gods that are competing to establish themselves as that person.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Let's go back.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Because people have a revisionist history. They like to look
at things and say that they said this or said that.
In twenty one, it was Giannis after the Bucks won.
Then in twenty two it was Steph Curry after they won,
and then it was Jokerson.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Now, Jason hold on, what.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Nobody thinks, n Steve Kerr, I didn't say that nobody
was saying. I did not that word. I didn't say
that the.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Best where on the championship team.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
What I'm saying is the last four years, we've had
four different title teams that all have players who, to me,
should be considered in the group that's competing to be
the best player in the world. When I watched Joker,
I see a extremely skilled big that probably fits with
almost every team in the NBA. But I don't walk
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away from the game thinking I just watched the best
basketball player in the world.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I don't feel like he should get that title and
be annoyed at that perch and be able to sit
in the on the iron throne just quite yet. Shake Gilders,
Alexander stand up, Daron Fox, stand up, Jason Tatum Edwards.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I want these guys hold on.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
He did not come on these airwaves. Shout out to
de Aaron foxes, he is a great player. De Aaron Fox,
Mama Fox, popa Fox. They don't think he's the best
player in the world, so will you stop simply The
argument grew with Jason Tatum d airon Fox Steph Curry
(18:18):
at thirty five years.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Old in the discussion, Hey listen, all I'm saying is
it's up for grabs and all of those guys.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Those you think somebody want to see to be the
best player in the world.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
No, I mean sounds like I'm not also not going
to diminish the fact that I think if de Aaron
Fox goes out and elevates next year, he could be considered,
you know, best playing the world. Same thing with Jason
Taylor if he takes this, if he takes this disrespect
that he's gotten so far as the Olympic team and
works on a back to the basket game on the
block like Kobe and Jordan had Jason Tatum almost be unstoppable,
(18:52):
Like these guys aren't that far away. And I'm saying
joker to me, hadn't separated himself in such a way
where he's the unquestioned best player in the well.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I didn't even mention Luke.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
All right, let me let me say this to you
first of all, because we could do the whole show
on this, because you're dropping so many just just doozies
that they demand the reply.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Dear Fox again, shout out d Fox. You're nice. You
know how tall darn Fox is?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
That matter?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
How tall is Dan Fox?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Uh, he's taller than Steph six three. He's taller than
Steph six three?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Right, Is there any point in the history of the
NBA that a player six three or shorter has been
the best.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Player in the world?
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Is that Alan online?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know, Allen was never the best player in.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
The word who He's not taller than six He was
never the best player in the world either. There was
a stretch there when he was in the conversation Jordan
has gotten old.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Kobe was still young young.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
No, no, no, yeah, jordanick I resented Kobe came in the
same year. I get it, iris old. Did you ever
heard of Shock? Ever heard of Tim Duncan conversation? Because
it was Jordan's until he retired in ninety eight and
then came Shack and Duncan, the.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Your AI and the sixers to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He was it the best player.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
There were people that would argue with you, the AI
fan boys.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean really fan boys. There are people saying
Paul George is the goat. I mean, you can always
find somebody to say something and.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It's not as a curve. Was never he was never
the best player.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Lebron was at that time.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
You can make an argument that Steph Curry has had
the biggest impact on the game of basketball as any
NBA player.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I don't mean you the best player. I agree, so
you know it's Stephan.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
The goat conversation is that what you're saying, Time was
never the even when Isaiah went back, because it's the
best player.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
As good as Steph Curry. Ever, I'm knocking to.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Just scrap the whole show.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I'm notized teaching Isaiah Times was never teaching as good
as Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
This was the best small player in the.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
World, Chris, Yeah, that was a travesty. He was the
best small player in the world or ever until Steph.
He's the second best small player ever, and he wasn't
the best player in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That's my like.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I'm just saying, don't don't bring up their their Fox
is saying, don't bring me.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Up brous his motivation, Darren.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You didn't. You didn't even give an answer.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
One I said that you want to give me a name.
At times, they're just.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Derek White's my name ain't coming out of your mouth
in the next city.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
See, now you're taking something and you're making it something
that it isn't.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
At the same time, can you.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Can you acknowledge with me that just because there are
conversations about who's the best player doesn't mean that there
always is a best player.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I agree with that, But what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Is Braun has gotten older as KD has gotten injured more,
they've kind of They're still top ten, But.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I don't know that Joker.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
I've ever felt watching Joker like I felt watching KD
or Braun in their prime, and I use them because
we're to.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Get back reset.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
We're gonna have to get back to that because I
just can't let this sit with you putting this nonsense
on the airwave.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So we will get back to this. But Rob has
something he wants to get on the air.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Rob G I was just saying that if you were
going to teach anybody or educate the masses, that you
should do that. After the award winning trending update for
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Speaker 1 (23:00):
I really could talk NBA with you all day because you.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Just I appreciate that compliment.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Madness.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
One last, one last thing.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I just want you to I want to I want
this to simmer in your soul and I want you
to think about this. When you watch Nicola Jokic, dode
you ever feel like you're watching the best basketball player
in the world.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
It's not a knock on saying it's not a great player.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I don't get that feeling when I watch him. I
just feel like I'm watching a really good basketball player.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, your feelings, you know, that might be something you
ain't for dinner that night, but that that he that
boy's bad and I feel that way when I watch him.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But we'll get to that later.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Jeffrey Simons, rob g explain or Simmons, I'm sorry, uh,
explain the situation here with the offensive time.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Yeah, he is one of the best players in football team.
You know, don't let Sean fool you. He may not
be the joker, but he is a two time off.
Simmons is Jeffrey Simmons. And I don't know if you
guys saw this, but on Tuesday they had the Titans
training camp and there were media outlis broadcasting live from camp,
which is not unusual.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Simmons walked up.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
To Buck Rising, who was a radio host in the area,
after practice while Rising was still on air, and had
some choice words for Rising, at one point calling him
a word that people use for cat, which obviously bled
out onto the air was picked up by several cameras.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
It became a viral moment.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Well, somebody within the Titans organization got to Simmons and
on Wednesday, he issued a statement through the team saying, quote,
that's not who I am or who I want to
be seen as. At the end of the day, I
take full accountability of my actions on the field, and
I promise that won't ever happen again. Now, guys, Chris
is in the media. Sean, you played and you're down
(24:51):
in the media. How do you handle a situation like
this from both perspectives?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, we got two different you know, we have two perspectives.
They may be the same, but from different viewpoints. So
tell me what you think as an athlete being criticized
by media members.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I mean, I just playing quarterback in that league. You
learn and it takes time. Nobody wants to turn the
TV on to hear people criticizing them, you know, or
being overly I guess harsh in their evaluation, especially if
you feel like they're not justified or not right. But
this seemed personal and the fact that Jeffrey Simmons didn't
(25:32):
apologize himself lets me know that he meant every word
that he said to Buck Rising and he's not really
sorry about it. And sometimes when you have local media
members that cover the team, you know, if you're talking
Titans four or five days a week, you know, eight
nine months out of the twelve, like sometimes content like
(25:54):
you go beyond and above, like just giving your opinion.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
And that seemed so don't you think it could happen
with national media's I mean, somebody could get mad as
something I said or you said, or Rob said or
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Smith said or skip back, you.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
And I think I think I think athletes are more
forgiving at times to the national guys because like Chris,
for instance, on the show that you do with Nick,
you guys are talking all thirty two teams over the
course of a year at different points. It would be
different if you guys are based in Nashville and all
you really talk is Titans, like the level of accountability
I guess from player to media member to me is
(26:33):
a little more and more like you should know better
than to say this or to have this opinion based
on what's actually really been transpiring. And this could go
back to I don't know this for a fact, but
this could go back to Buck maybe feeling a certain
way that Jeffrey disagreed with when they fired Vrabel, Like
this was something that built up to. Now this, this
(26:54):
wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This was Jeffrey
saying I can't wait to bump into him.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I will say this and you can speak to this show.
You know, I wasn't a world class athlete. You were,
and I mean anybody makes it NFL was a world
class athlete, has a career. I could understand, even as
I sit here in the media for thirty plus years,
I can understand how a player who's a world class
(27:24):
athlete might look at a medium, a reporter, a writer,
a broadcaster and be like, you serious, br you could
not carry my jockstrap. You, I mean, you didn't even
play high school football, basketball, whatever it might be, and
you got the audacity that criticized my game.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I get that.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
I mean, there's a part of me that definitely understands that.
But here's where I do believe we in the media
do have that right to criticize it. Obviously it's our jobs,
but it's beyond that. Some it can be right and
wrong too. I think Sean, look, I don't know the
first thing about fixing cars. But if I pay somebody
(28:11):
to fix my car and they jack it up, I'm
well within my rights to go out and I'm like, yo,
what do you I paid you five hundred dollars or
whatever and you ruined my car, or if if maybe
wasn't my car. But he consistently an auto mechanic is
messing up people's car. He doesn't do a good job.
(28:31):
They're not professional, whatever it might be. I even though
I don't know anything about fixing cars, I do think
I have a right to tell people, look, don't go there.
I'm sorry, this guy is not professional. He doesn't fix cars. Well,
he messed my car up. So I do think, even
though media members aren't that didn't play, were never as
(28:54):
good as these professional athletes. Because you're professional and you
are being paid, we can judge you and say, well,
you're getting paid to play football and you're not doing
you didn't do this right, or you didn't do that right.
They expected more from you when they paid you, and
the fans paid your salary, you know, in a then
(29:14):
direct way, and they.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Expected more, you know what I mean. So that's how
I look at it, Sean.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
I mean, I was raised to who much is given,
much is required, And when you become a professional athlete,
especially now you know in this information age, with all
the technology, that's.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Just a part of it. Like man, you got to
have bulletproof emotions.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
If you want to be an elite professional athlete, you
can't let opinions impact you emotionally. And it's been frustrating
for jeff you know what I know. I think it
was a rob Jed that said he compared Simmons to Joker,
But in reality, Jeffrey Simmons one of the top five
to six defensive players in football, and he's been stuck
(29:54):
on bad teams. So there's a frustration that goes with that,
and sometimes you lash out. I mean, football is a violent,
physical game is played with emotion. That's a huge part
of it, you know. I think in Jeffery's defense because
one of his teammates was walking over to do an
interview when he initially started that interaction. I don't know
if he knew that they were live on air, because
(30:16):
if you go and rewatch the actual video his teammates
walking over to sit down when it starts, and then
Buck says, you can come on right now, and you
could tell from from Buck's response that there's been some
back and forth there.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
I don't think Polly didn't know if he was on
the air, but that's still I mean, I think I
love what you said, like, and I'm when athletes come
into the.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
League, they need to be told this.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
You know, have rookie transition programs and things like that
where it needs to be explained. Look, this is a
part of it, right, This is a part of your
job is actually dealing with the media, talking to them
at practices, games, and even dealing with the criticism like
it is there. I mean, in our job now you're media,
(31:01):
we have to deal with criticism too.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, don't read the comments.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
You have to always say you have to know what
type of person you are.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
If you want to get all into comments and it
doesn't affect you, fine, but if you think it would
affect you don't read them, you know, because you do
have to have thicked skin when in any public job,
I call.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
It bullet People entertain this especially in football, Chris, because
of this reason, you only get seventeen performances. You know,
in basketball you get eighty two, Baseball you do one
hundred and sixty something, sixty two, in football you get seventeen.
I've seen it impact players like there have been times
that I'm not picking on him. He's just an example
(31:44):
that I think everybody listening can kind of relate to.
I've seen Lamar Jackson play a football game trying to
denounce and disprove what the critics are saying about him.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, I thought that AFC Championship.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
Well, I'm not gonna run today. I'm gonna play strictly
from the pocket.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Right. I can see what it impacts players, like did you?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
We don't have to redo the whole game, but I
want your opinion on this because remember he had the
long run. I think it was twenty one yards, and
I don't know that he could have broken away from
the guy, but he wasn't really even trying, you know,
he was kind of looking back and like you know,
reaching out to the guy almost the stiff army, but
kind of looking back instead of just taking off and
(32:27):
trying to get out on the sideline and go all
the way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And that was a mistake.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
I think he gets impacted at times by the noise.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
He does.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
It happens to athletes all the time, and you know,
I've been there. So I'm not criticizing the athletes because man,
it takes experience. Now, I'm telling you when especially in
the NFL, and this is what is seventeen games coming
to play, Chris, you played in its six days of
evaluation on all these furs, and everybody's got an opinion.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
It's a lot to deal with their no question, it
is all right. Look, I'm sorry, I'm like fire. It's
like fire.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Shut in my bones. Shut up in my bones.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
With all this stuff you've been talking about the NBA,
I've got so much knowledge to drop about Nicoleon Jokics.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
That's next.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Give me numbers, give me a motion.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I'm gonna give you to you.
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I do believe he's the best player in the world.
I believe he is the first point Here's some of
the reasons he's the first point center ever.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
We've heard of point forwards. He's a legitimate point center.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Plays the point, brings the ball up on the perimeter
a lot, but when it's when it when he needs to,
he'll back you down. Unlike a Joe LMB. He'll back
you down in the post and score over you. He
basically plays every position because he plays point guard, he
obviously plays center he shoots it like a two guard
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or a small forward.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
He can hit the three, he can hit the mid range.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
He's arguably, arguably I think Lebron's probably a better, probably
a better passer, but he's he can you can argue
he's the best passer in the game. He's certainly the best,
I think, big man passer.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
In the game.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
He is a walking triple double threat, not for a game,
for a season, every year, for a season.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He's won three of the last four MVPs.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
He did not have anything close to a super team
when they won that championship.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
His second best player.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Jamal Murray, has never even been an All Star, and
in these playoffs was banged up and not healthy. I
will give you that Murray is an All Star caliber player,
but the fact is he's never been an All Star.
Virtually none of his teammates were All Stars. Aaron Gordon
never been not an All Star, Contavious Carwell, Pope, Michael
(35:43):
Porter Junior, and yet he was able to win a championship.
He clearly makes his teammates better. He's not a lockdown defender,
but because of his size and intelligence, he's a good defender.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
He's like, not you can't expose him. It's not a weakness.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
He's and a Lyn numbers defensively are always around the
top of the league. I'm not saying he's a great
all league defender, but he's It's not a weakness of
his And so like I, I don't know what like
he's to me when you watch him. For those that
didn't see a Larry Bird, that's how because people probably
(36:20):
look at Bird, I mean this, this slow white dude,
couldn't jump, wasn't quick, He couldn't have been that good.
And that's a that's an indictment on the eighties that
this dude was so dominant. No Washington, Cola Yochis. That's
that's how Bird was. Nicola doesn't dominate the rock Sean like.
He touches it virtually every possession, but he's getting rid
(36:42):
of it quickly.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
He's getting into the white man. Everybody's getting in and
I don't, I don't. That's a weakness to me.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I think that was a weakness from Lebron throughout his
prime because it takes away from your other teammates that
can do stuff on their own. And so I don't
those are reasons I think he's the best, and I
could argue against some of the guys you might name.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
And here's my thing. I think two things can be right.
I don't want to turn this into a a I
don't like Yokik's game. I love kicks game. I think
he's probably one of the most skilled big men we've
ever seen. You talked about him dancing around a triple
double for the season. Hell Russell Westbrook averaged a triple
double over a season, and I never watched one of
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those games and said I'm looking at the best player
in Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, oh no, I mean, no, no, I mean.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
But that's like, that's like if I say he won
three of the last four MVPs, it's like you're saying, well,
Steve Nash won an MVP that he never was the
best player world.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm just giving you it's an act place.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Yes, and that's two things can be true.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
But I also don't think there are a lot of
American basketball fans that have watched Joker play and got
the emotion they got from watching prime Brawn, prime Kobe,
prime Jordan.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
But but we're not talking about excite.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yes, we're talking about quick, but we're talking about but
they're more exciting players.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
Yes, but we're also talking about the combination of everything
you said plus that emotional attachment.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Like I saw something in all.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
The world that do everything YO does. Ain't none of
them been point centers, ain't.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I mean very few of them could do every like
in this prime Lebron wasn't a knockdown three point shooter,
and some of his prime we I don't.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Think that knocked down three point shoot. I think he
shoots the three good big man. He's a really he
shoots it good for theisdas and BEB and they criticize
him for them.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
He shot the mid range great.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
He's what I'm saying, Chris.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
People throw that out there like to me, it's without question,
and I just disagree. I think it's up for ground.
You can't give me an answer because it's up for ground.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
You just going off emotion. You're just going off it
don't feel right? I mean, what is that?
Speaker 5 (38:59):
That's why we played a games because we can't go
off feelings any emotions.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Know when you're suck, when you getting nostalgic when you
watch a great one. I don't get nostalgic when I watch.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
How you don't get I don't know what you even
talk about, but I mean, come on, the dude is
bad and he I don't see a real weakness in
his game or other than maybe be more assertive at times.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:20):
Even SAMs Rob Parker, and in.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
His place none other than former NFL quarterback Sean King.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What's up man?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
I'm good to my steam brother and the bond glad
to be.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I am fired up.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
I can smell the grass. Football's almost back.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Chris Olympics are going on Major League Baseball trade deadline.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Like I'm starting to get that feel again.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
It is a great time of year, like you said,
the anticipation for the football season, the Olympics, and yes,
we got plenty to talk about, and we will get
into it in the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
First, the odd Couple crew is in full effect.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Supercer rived G is in the house on the ones
and twos, our man Mighty Mark Ramsey in for DJ,
Alex Tyshert on the updates.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Isaac Loewen Crime you just heard.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Him a moment ago and on social media, our man
Elijah Sebuna. So let's start here Sean with Team USA,
and you know they're expected to win the gold and.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So far, so good. They beat Serbia.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Now, Serbia obviously had who many people think, including myself,
is the best player in the world in Nicola Jokic
uh and then he had a squad with him that
last year last summer won or finished second in the
World Cup. They got the silver medal without Jokic, So
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you know you thought, okay, they're a pretty good team.
We may handled them, beat them by twenty six. And
then today we met South Sudan, which had shocked America
in almost beating them in an exhibition game, lost by
a point on a last second shot by Lebron James, and.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Today it was kind of get back.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
We definitely took South Sudan lightly to take nothing away
from them, but today we ended up putting it on
them from the get go, had the lead essentially and
beat them by seventeen. Now, before we get into everything,
I was talking with some people earlier, and you know,
their exhibition games for Team USA were against teams in
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their group. So they played Serbia in an exhibition, played
South Sudan, and someone was saying to me, was that
really fair to not America necessarily? But like South Sudan,
if they had never played America in that exhibition game,
they would have had a chance. I'm not saying they
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would have beat them, but they could have snuck up,
you know what I mean, in America like they did
in the first game and they almost beat him, Whereas
this time, when it really counted, you couldn't sneak up
on them. So I thought there was some you know,
some some logic there, but nonetheless it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And one of the big stories today Jason.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Tatum, who had not played in the last game when
we beat Serby, and that was a huge story. He
actually started this game with Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Devin Booker,
and Steph Curry, and instead of Tatum not playing at all,
it was Joel Embiid and MVP, who you know did
(04:39):
not see any time. I'm sure and I don't know,
rob G. Did Steve Kurse say something about it?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Was he?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I'm sure it was asked about it, but I'm I'm
without even knowing. I have to believe he talked to
MB before the game and said, look, you know matchups
last game, Jason Tatum didn't play, so this game because
of the matchups, they're smaller, they're quicker.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
We're gonna give you the day off. But here here's
a quote from Steve Kerr.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Yeah, I wish we had the sound, but apparently it's
hard to get that kind of stuff from overseas. Steve
Kerr told the media the reason why he benched Joe
l Embiid was quote, this is the fastest team of
the tournament we're gonna play. We wanted to match up.
They made fourteen threes against us in London. The whole
game plan today was gonna be about switching and staying
in front of people. And then he also said later
(05:32):
that Joel Embiid will start the next game alongside Lebron James,
Steph Curry, Devin Booker and Drew Holiday. So Jason Tatum
back to the bench.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Who do we know? Who they're playing Puerto Rico.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Okay, all right, you said a lot. I mean you
said a lot.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
I'm going to put you on a word count moving
forward the rest of the three hours. I gotta be
able to get my opinions in points. Chris, stop trying
to bully be. I'm a guest in your house.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To your that's right, you are, remember to your first.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Point two NBA MVPs.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Nonwithstanding, Nikola Joker is not the best player in the world.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Anymore, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Who's better.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We might have to. We got three hours, right.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
I don't just bogged down in the first sea with
that people talk about that he's not the best player
in the world.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I'm not even gonna ask you that. I'm not gonna
have you spoil it.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Your answer is probably nonsensical, but we'll get it out.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Secondly, Steve Kurz tripping. I mean, they beat Serbia by
I think twenty six. They beat Sudan to day by
twenty I think seventeen. I mean, come on, everybody should
be getting minutes. I think in this stage of the
tournament or the Olympics, it's a tournament still that their group.
You're still trying to figure out what's your best five. Like,
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I think the one thing that has kind of separated
the team so far is anybody can have an offa
and they can still win. Like people talked about Tatum
not scoring or not playing right, they still won by
twenty six. Today Steph Curry was one to nine oh
six from three and they still won, but by seventeen.
So I think they're so loaded offensively, they have so
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much firepower. I think people are just trying to make
a big deal out of small things. But then, and
if you're Steve Kurr, like why does Tatum not get
at least ten minutes? I agree that I could see
him be not playing because it's an entry too much,
you know, I can see him. I could see guys
like MB Anthony Davis, if they're not playing a big team,
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them resting because of their injury history. But come on, man,
Tatum's an athletic wing that can defend, that can score.
There's no reason for him not to see at least
double digit minutes.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah, I agree, I mean I got no issue there.
I will say this like we can't look at it like, oh,
they blew them out by twenty, So just empty the
benches because and look, the bench is great, right, we're
talking about all NBA level players all throughout the roster.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Do they even have a bench though, Chris, I mean
they started like a different five.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Well, yeah, I mean I'm just talking about per you know.
I mean, the only consistent starters have been Lebron, Steph
and kept. Well, I think it'll be Kevin Durant going forward,
but really he had been a consistent starter. But right,
the only ones who started I believe every game is
Lebron and Steph. But in the early rounds, it matters
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how much you beat a team by, like that's calculate, right,
So but again, you could still you can't tell me
you couldn't have put Jason Tatum in and still blown
out Serbia or EMBIID in tonight and still blown out
South Sudan.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But I think the EMBIID situation today.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Sean, Steve Kerr took a lot of heat, Charles Barkley,
Steven A. Smith, Kendrick Perkins, like a lot of people,
Rob Parker jumped on Steve Kerr and many more than
I just named for benching an All NBA player in
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Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So I honestly believe, and I don't know for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Maybe he would have done it anyway, but not playing
in bad which was a matchup, Like I get the
matchup thing, but not playing him at all. Sean, this
helped Steve Kerr with the Jason Tatum situation absolutely because.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He can now say it was never about Jason.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
You know, Jason's a phenomenal player, and you saw we
started in the next game and we needed him. I
mean that team was athletic and stuff. It was always
about the matchups. And like I said, I talked to
Jason before the game. I talked to Joel before this game.
Every game, it may be a different player.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know. First of all, I don't know that
that's the truth.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
And secondly, it doesn't have to be that way, because
to your point, everybody can get a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
But this helps, This gives Kerr.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
A somewhat believable and certainly logical explanation for why he
didn't play Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
What could you be playing against in Jason Tatum's a
bad matchup?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
No what I'm saying, Well, but the matchups, the matchups
were like they looked at Serbia was big and strong
and so they played three right, and they have guards.
Now you could I agree, because Tatum obviously can play guard.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But my point is just this, Now Steve.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Kirk can say with a straight face, it wasn't about
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It was about the matchups.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
And I mean, Joe Limby's one of the best five
players in the world and we didn't play him.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So don't come at me.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
He wouldn't say it like this, but don't come at
me like I benched Jason Tatum because it's just about
forty minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I can't get everybody in.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
There might be a player every game that doesn't play
happen to be Tatum.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
First, it was.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Joe LMB second, next time it might be he'll throw
out a name Devin Booker or something. So I'm just
saying it gives him a little cover. I agree with you.
I think it's hogwashed, but it certainly gives him some cover.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I just think this is Steve Kurr's biggest flaw because
we've seen it manifest hself with the Warriors last year
when he didn't wouldn't play not this, not this, not
Clay's last season there. The year were four when he
wouldn't play Kaminga in a series where you knew you
needed athleticism in youth. But he was in his feelings
against Kminga whn't playing. I don't know if something happened between.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Him and Tatum.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
I don't know if Tatum showed up like to shoot around,
and I'm speculating. I have no factual evidence whatsoever, but
I just think this might have been Kerr trying to
prove a point to Tatum. I don't know what that
point was, but I think that's what occurs weaknesses.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
He's sensitive. He holds is, in my opinion, to God.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
So why do you think he didn't play EMBIID. I
think it was complete. I think it was very much
related to the Tatum situation.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
And see I think he was and Bead's more believable
because you're playing a smaller Sudan team Anthony Davis and
Bam give you way more athleticism, way more ability to
run the court, get out on a fast break. I
just don't know who you could play against. What Jason
Tatum's like not a great.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Matchup for you? Well, look, especially when you.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Played Derek White and Devin Booker and I mean Anthony
Edwards and Drew Like. It's hard for you to tell
me Tatum sat because of matchup.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
I get him. Bid.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Here's what Tatum has to tell himself for his own
mental health, you know, insanity.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
This is not about and I want your opinion before
we go to break. This is not about who's better.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Jason Tatum is better than Derek White, better than Drew
hollid Day, better than Bam out of Bayu, and I
think he's.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Better than Devin Booker.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
But so he's got to understand they're not playing because
they're better than me, or they didn't play that game
because they're better than me. It's because of the you know,
matchups or whatever curse saw. But I know it's not
because I'm not better than those cats.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Do you be taking it personal? It should be about who.
This is an identical scenarios. This is an identical scenario
from the Dream Team Magic Bird of old Lebron KD.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
You're older.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
One of these guys got to step up and establish
themselves because the throne is empty, Tatum should be trying
to pull it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I am now, And the world wasn't empty.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
It didn't necessarily have an occupant yet. It was a
player of thrones the.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Last two championships.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Hey, the Targarians, the Starks like who whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You saw that on? Who was challenging Jordan in ninety two?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Hey, Magic Sons, him and Bird hadn't really relinquished to
get They had heard they they they know that Olympic
teams was winning actually.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Final in the league anymore.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
I mean, if I'm Jason Tatum, and if I'm Anthony
Edwards or Halla Burton, any of these young guys.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, and I want to leave the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
With Lebron, James and KD knowing in their mind that
their time is passed.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
And I'm now it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
All right, that's fresh, that's fresh.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
All right? Uh, we gonna come back.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Because Sean King threw out some nonsense about Nicola Yoga is.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Not the best player in the world.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
We didn't find out who he thinks is the best
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and dropped a bomb on me, like the gap band
type bomb when he said, NIKOLEA. Jokic is not the
best player in the world. And you know we we
teased you a little because we didn't have him name
(16:25):
who he thinks is. So now, Sean King, the floor
is yours. Who is the best player in the world?
Speaker 7 (16:32):
And why there isn't one, Chris, there's a group of
gods that are competing to establish themselves as that person.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Let's go back.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Because people have a revisionist history. They like to look
at things and say that they said this or said that.
In twenty one, it was Giannis after the Bucks won.
Then in twenty two it was Steph Curry after they won,
and then it was Jokerson.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Now, Jason hold on, what.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Nobody thinks, n Steve Kerr, I didn't say that nobody
was saying. I did not that word. I didn't say
that the.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Best where on the championship team.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
What I'm saying is the last four years, we've had
four different title teams that all have players who, to me,
should be considered in the group that's competing to be
the best player in the world. When I watched Joker,
I see a extremely skilled big that probably fits with
almost every team in the NBA. But I don't walk
(17:33):
away from the game thinking I just watched the best
basketball player in the world.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I don't feel like he should get that title and
be annoyed at that perch and be able to sit
in the on the iron throne just quite yet. Shake Gilders,
Alexander stand up, Daron Fox, stand up, Jason Tatum Edwards.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I want these guys hold on.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
He did not come on these airwaves. Shout out to
de Aaron foxes, he is a great player. De Aaron Fox,
Mama Fox, popa Fox. They don't think he's the best
player in the world, so will you stop simply The
argument grew with Jason Tatum d airon Fox Steph Curry
(18:18):
at thirty five years.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Old in the discussion, Hey listen, all I'm saying is
it's up for grabs and all of those guys.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Those you think somebody want to see to be the
best player in the world.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
No, I mean sounds like I'm not also not going
to diminish the fact that I think if de Aaron
Fox goes out and elevates next year, he could be considered,
you know, best playing the world. Same thing with Jason
Taylor if he takes this, if he takes this disrespect
that he's gotten so far as the Olympic team and
works on a back to the basket game on the
block like Kobe and Jordan had Jason Tatum almost be unstoppable,
(18:52):
Like these guys aren't that far away. And I'm saying
joker to me, hadn't separated himself in such a way
where he's the unquestioned best player in the well.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I didn't even mention Luke.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
All right, let me let me say this to you
first of all, because we could do the whole show
on this, because you're dropping so many just just doozies
that they demand the reply.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Dear Fox again, shout out d Fox. You're nice. You
know how tall darn Fox is?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
That matter?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
How tall is Dan Fox?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Uh, he's taller than Steph six three. He's taller than
Steph six three?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Right, Is there any point in the history of the
NBA that a player six three or shorter has been
the best.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Player in the world?
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Is that Alan online?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know, Allen was never the best player in.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
The word who He's not taller than six He was
never the best player in the world either. There was
a stretch there when he was in the conversation Jordan
has gotten old.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Kobe was still young young.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
No, no, no, yeah, jordanick I resented Kobe came in the
same year. I get it, iris old. Did you ever
heard of Shock? Ever heard of Tim Duncan conversation? Because
it was Jordan's until he retired in ninety eight and
then came Shack and Duncan, the.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Your AI and the sixers to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He was it the best player.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
There were people that would argue with you, the AI
fan boys.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean really fan boys. There are people saying
Paul George is the goat. I mean, you can always
find somebody to say something and.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It's not as a curve. Was never he was never
the best player.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Lebron was at that time.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
You can make an argument that Steph Curry has had
the biggest impact on the game of basketball as any
NBA player.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I don't mean you the best player. I agree, so
you know it's Stephan.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
The goat conversation is that what you're saying, Time was
never the even when Isaiah went back, because it's the
best player.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
As good as Steph Curry. Ever, I'm knocking to.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Just scrap the whole show.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I'm notized teaching Isaiah Times was never teaching as good
as Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
This was the best small player in the.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
World, Chris, Yeah, that was a travesty. He was the
best small player in the world or ever until Steph.
He's the second best small player ever, and he wasn't
the best player in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That's my like.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I'm just saying, don't don't bring up their their Fox
is saying, don't bring me.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Up brous his motivation, Darren.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You didn't. You didn't even give an answer.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
One I said that you want to give me a name.
At times, they're just.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Derek White's my name ain't coming out of your mouth
in the next city.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
See, now you're taking something and you're making it something
that it isn't.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
At the same time, can you.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Can you acknowledge with me that just because there are
conversations about who's the best player doesn't mean that there
always is a best player.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I agree with that, But what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Is Braun has gotten older as KD has gotten injured more,
they've kind of They're still top ten, But.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I don't know that Joker.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
I've ever felt watching Joker like I felt watching KD
or Braun in their prime, and I use them because
we're to.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Get back reset.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
We're gonna have to get back to that because I
just can't let this sit with you putting this nonsense
on the airwave.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So we will get back to this. But Rob has
something he wants to get on the air.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Rob G I was just saying that if you were
going to teach anybody or educate the masses, that you
should do that. After the award winning trending update for
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Speaker 1 (23:00):
I really could talk NBA with you all day because you.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Just I appreciate that compliment.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Madness.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
One last, one last thing.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I just want you to I want to I want
this to simmer in your soul and I want you
to think about this. When you watch Nicola Jokic, dode
you ever feel like you're watching the best basketball player
in the world.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
It's not a knock on saying it's not a great player.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I don't get that feeling when I watch him. I
just feel like I'm watching a really good basketball player.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, your feelings, you know, that might be something you
ain't for dinner that night, but that that he that
boy's bad and I feel that way when I watch him.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But we'll get to that later.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Jeffrey Simons, rob g explain or Simmons, I'm sorry, uh,
explain the situation here with the offensive time.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Yeah, he is one of the best players in football team.
You know, don't let Sean fool you. He may not
be the joker, but he is a two time off.
Simmons is Jeffrey Simmons. And I don't know if you
guys saw this, but on Tuesday they had the Titans
training camp and there were media outlis broadcasting live from camp,
which is not unusual.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Simmons walked up.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
To Buck Rising, who was a radio host in the area,
after practice while Rising was still on air, and had
some choice words for Rising, at one point calling him
a word that people use for cat, which obviously bled
out onto the air was picked up by several cameras.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
It became a viral moment.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Well, somebody within the Titans organization got to Simmons and
on Wednesday, he issued a statement through the team saying, quote,
that's not who I am or who I want to
be seen as. At the end of the day, I
take full accountability of my actions on the field, and
I promise that won't ever happen again. Now, guys, Chris
is in the media. Sean, you played and you're down
(24:51):
in the media. How do you handle a situation like
this from both perspectives?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, we got two different you know, we have two perspectives.
They may be the same, but from different viewpoints. So
tell me what you think as an athlete being criticized
by media members.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I mean, I just playing quarterback in that league. You
learn and it takes time. Nobody wants to turn the
TV on to hear people criticizing them, you know, or
being overly I guess harsh in their evaluation, especially if
you feel like they're not justified or not right. But
this seemed personal and the fact that Jeffrey Simmons didn't
(25:32):
apologize himself lets me know that he meant every word
that he said to Buck Rising and he's not really
sorry about it. And sometimes when you have local media
members that cover the team, you know, if you're talking
Titans four or five days a week, you know, eight
nine months out of the twelve, like sometimes content like
(25:54):
you go beyond and above, like just giving your opinion.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
And that seemed so don't you think it could happen
with national media's I mean, somebody could get mad as
something I said or you said, or Rob said or
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Smith said or skip back, you.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
And I think I think I think athletes are more
forgiving at times to the national guys because like Chris,
for instance, on the show that you do with Nick,
you guys are talking all thirty two teams over the
course of a year at different points. It would be
different if you guys are based in Nashville and all
you really talk is Titans, like the level of accountability
I guess from player to media member to me is
(26:33):
a little more and more like you should know better
than to say this or to have this opinion based
on what's actually really been transpiring. And this could go
back to I don't know this for a fact, but
this could go back to Buck maybe feeling a certain
way that Jeffrey disagreed with when they fired Vrabel, Like
this was something that built up to. Now this, this
(26:54):
wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This was Jeffrey
saying I can't wait to bump into him.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I will say this and you can speak to this show.
You know, I wasn't a world class athlete. You were,
and I mean anybody makes it NFL was a world
class athlete, has a career. I could understand, even as
I sit here in the media for thirty plus years,
I can understand how a player who's a world class
(27:24):
athlete might look at a medium, a reporter, a writer,
a broadcaster and be like, you serious, br you could
not carry my jockstrap. You, I mean, you didn't even
play high school football, basketball, whatever it might be, and
you got the audacity that criticized my game.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I get that.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
I mean, there's a part of me that definitely understands that.
But here's where I do believe we in the media
do have that right to criticize it. Obviously it's our jobs,
but it's beyond that. Some it can be right and
wrong too. I think Sean, look, I don't know the
first thing about fixing cars. But if I pay somebody
(28:11):
to fix my car and they jack it up, I'm
well within my rights to go out and I'm like, yo,
what do you I paid you five hundred dollars or
whatever and you ruined my car, or if if maybe
wasn't my car. But he consistently an auto mechanic is
messing up people's car. He doesn't do a good job.
(28:31):
They're not professional, whatever it might be. I even though
I don't know anything about fixing cars, I do think
I have a right to tell people, look, don't go there.
I'm sorry, this guy is not professional. He doesn't fix cars. Well,
he messed my car up. So I do think, even
though media members aren't that didn't play, were never as
(28:54):
good as these professional athletes. Because you're professional and you
are being paid, we can judge you and say, well,
you're getting paid to play football and you're not doing
you didn't do this right, or you didn't do that right.
They expected more from you when they paid you, and
the fans paid your salary, you know, in a then
(29:14):
direct way, and they.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Expected more, you know what I mean. So that's how
I look at it, Sean.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
I mean, I was raised to who much is given,
much is required, And when you become a professional athlete,
especially now you know in this information age, with all
the technology, that's.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Just a part of it. Like man, you got to
have bulletproof emotions.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
If you want to be an elite professional athlete, you
can't let opinions impact you emotionally. And it's been frustrating
for jeff you know what I know. I think it
was a rob Jed that said he compared Simmons to Joker,
But in reality, Jeffrey Simmons one of the top five
to six defensive players in football, and he's been stuck
(29:54):
on bad teams. So there's a frustration that goes with that,
and sometimes you lash out. I mean, football is a violent,
physical game is played with emotion. That's a huge part
of it, you know. I think in Jeffery's defense because
one of his teammates was walking over to do an
interview when he initially started that interaction. I don't know
if he knew that they were live on air, because
(30:16):
if you go and rewatch the actual video his teammates
walking over to sit down when it starts, and then
Buck says, you can come on right now, and you
could tell from from Buck's response that there's been some
back and forth there.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
I don't think Polly didn't know if he was on
the air, but that's still I mean, I think I
love what you said, like, and I'm when athletes come
into the.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
League, they need to be told this.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
You know, have rookie transition programs and things like that
where it needs to be explained. Look, this is a
part of it, right, This is a part of your
job is actually dealing with the media, talking to them
at practices, games, and even dealing with the criticism like
it is there. I mean, in our job now you're media,
(31:01):
we have to deal with criticism too.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, don't read the comments.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
You have to always say you have to know what
type of person you are.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
If you want to get all into comments and it
doesn't affect you, fine, but if you think it would
affect you don't read them, you know, because you do
have to have thicked skin when in any public job,
I call.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
It bullet People entertain this especially in football, Chris, because
of this reason, you only get seventeen performances. You know,
in basketball you get eighty two, Baseball you do one
hundred and sixty something, sixty two, in football you get seventeen.
I've seen it impact players like there have been times
that I'm not picking on him. He's just an example
(31:44):
that I think everybody listening can kind of relate to.
I've seen Lamar Jackson play a football game trying to
denounce and disprove what the critics are saying about him.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, I thought that AFC Championship.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
Well, I'm not gonna run today. I'm gonna play strictly
from the pocket.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Right. I can see what it impacts players, like did you?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
We don't have to redo the whole game, but I
want your opinion on this because remember he had the
long run. I think it was twenty one yards, and
I don't know that he could have broken away from
the guy, but he wasn't really even trying, you know,
he was kind of looking back and like you know,
reaching out to the guy almost the stiff army, but
kind of looking back instead of just taking off and
(32:27):
trying to get out on the sideline and go all
the way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And that was a mistake.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
I think he gets impacted at times by the noise.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
He does.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
It happens to athletes all the time, and you know,
I've been there. So I'm not criticizing the athletes because man,
it takes experience. Now, I'm telling you when especially in
the NFL, and this is what is seventeen games coming
to play, Chris, you played in its six days of
evaluation on all these furs, and everybody's got an opinion.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
It's a lot to deal with their no question, it
is all right. Look, I'm sorry, I'm like fire. It's
like fire.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Shut in my bones. Shut up in my bones.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
With all this stuff you've been talking about the NBA,
I've got so much knowledge to drop about Nicoleon Jokics.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
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Speaker 6 (33:21):
Give me numbers, give me a motion.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I'm gonna give you to you.
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percent off in free shipping. All right, Sean nikole Jokic Here,
I do believe he's the best player in the world.
I believe he is the first point Here's some of
the reasons he's the first point center ever.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
We've heard of point forwards. He's a legitimate point center.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Plays the point, brings the ball up on the perimeter
a lot, but when it's when it when he needs to,
he'll back you down. Unlike a Joe LMB. He'll back
you down in the post and score over you. He
basically plays every position because he plays point guard, he
obviously plays center he shoots it like a two guard
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or a small forward.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
He can hit the three, he can hit the mid range.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
He's arguably, arguably I think Lebron's probably a better, probably
a better passer, but he's he can you can argue
he's the best passer in the game. He's certainly the best,
I think, big man passer.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
In the game.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
He is a walking triple double threat, not for a game,
for a season, every year, for a season.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He's won three of the last four MVPs.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
He did not have anything close to a super team
when they won that championship.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
His second best player.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Jamal Murray, has never even been an All Star, and
in these playoffs was banged up and not healthy. I
will give you that Murray is an All Star caliber player,
but the fact is he's never been an All Star.
Virtually none of his teammates were All Stars. Aaron Gordon
never been not an All Star, Contavious Carwell, Pope, Michael
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Porter Junior, and yet he was able to win a championship.
He clearly makes his teammates better. He's not a lockdown defender,
but because of his size and intelligence, he's a good defender.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
He's like, not you can't expose him. It's not a weakness.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
He's and a Lyn numbers defensively are always around the
top of the league. I'm not saying he's a great
all league defender, but he's It's not a weakness of
his And so like I, I don't know what like
he's to me when you watch him. For those that
didn't see a Larry Bird, that's how because people probably
(36:20):
look at Bird, I mean this, this slow white dude,
couldn't jump, wasn't quick, He couldn't have been that good.
And that's a that's an indictment on the eighties that
this dude was so dominant. No Washington, Cola Yochis. That's
that's how Bird was. Nicola doesn't dominate the rock Sean like.
He touches it virtually every possession, but he's getting rid
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of it quickly.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
He's getting into the white man. Everybody's getting in and
I don't, I don't. That's a weakness to me.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I think that was a weakness from Lebron throughout his
prime because it takes away from your other teammates that
can do stuff on their own. And so I don't
those are reasons I think he's the best, and I
could argue against some of the guys you might name.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
And here's my thing. I think two things can be right.
I don't want to turn this into a a I
don't like Yokik's game. I love kicks game. I think
he's probably one of the most skilled big men we've
ever seen. You talked about him dancing around a triple
double for the season. Hell Russell Westbrook averaged a triple
double over a season, and I never watched one of
(37:27):
those games and said I'm looking at the best player
in Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, oh no, I mean, no, no, I mean.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
But that's like, that's like if I say he won
three of the last four MVPs, it's like you're saying, well,
Steve Nash won an MVP that he never was the
best player world.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm just giving you it's an act place.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Yes, and that's two things can be true.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
But I also don't think there are a lot of
American basketball fans that have watched Joker play and got
the emotion they got from watching prime Brawn, prime Kobe,
prime Jordan.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
But but we're not talking about excite.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yes, we're talking about quick, but we're talking about but
they're more exciting players.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
Yes, but we're also talking about the combination of everything
you said plus that emotional attachment.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Like I saw something in all.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
The world that do everything YO does. Ain't none of
them been point centers, ain't.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I mean very few of them could do every like
in this prime Lebron wasn't a knockdown three point shooter,
and some of his prime we I don't.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Think that knocked down three point shoot. I think he
shoots the three good big man. He's a really he
shoots it good for theisdas and BEB and they criticize
him for them.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
He shot the mid range great.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
He's what I'm saying, Chris.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
People throw that out there like to me, it's without question,
and I just disagree. I think it's up for ground.
You can't give me an answer because it's up for ground.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
You just going off emotion. You're just going off it
don't feel right? I mean, what is that?
Speaker 5 (38:59):
That's why we played a games because we can't go
off feelings any emotions.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Know when you're suck, when you getting nostalgic when you
watch a great one. I don't get nostalgic when I watch.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
How you don't get I don't know what you even
talk about, but I mean, come on, the dude is
bad and he I don't see a real weakness in
his game or other than maybe be more assertive at times.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
But we'll get more into that. Keep it like a coable.
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