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Speaker 3 (02:02):
Obviously we have Black Friday football Kansas City Chiefs, but
first we'll get to that. But first let's welcome in
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Patrick, Hello, Ra, how are you? I'm doing good? It's
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I saw that on no doubt about it. All right,
Steve de Seger's at the anchor desk. He'll keep us
updated throughout the program. Steve had a nice Thanksgiving, he said,
after a rare Thanksgiving off at least since I've been
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he had a little respite. He's back and on the
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ones in two. All right, let's start with the football
game that just ended not too long ago, and the
Kansas City Chiefs moved to eleven and one with a
nineteen seventeen squeaker over the pathetic Las Vegas Raiders. This
was in Kansas City. And I'm gonna go on the record.
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I know you Chief fans. Chiefs fans are excited your
team as eleven and one, they posted the playoff, but
they made the playoffs again ten straight years. Celebrate all
you want, but I got a message for Chiefs fans
all over NFL America. They are the worst eleven and
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one football team I've seen. My God, how lucky can
you get? It's just on and on and on. This
season nine one score games. Every game is a struggle.
The Raiders that lost seven straight coming in they go
on the road and have actually a chance to.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Beat the Chiefs. They can't cover.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Like people are like, oh, what were they the spread
ten and a half? What was it eleven and a half?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The spread? Yeah, double digits. I can't cover that.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I even saw something on one of the sites saying,
will the Chiefs be finally be able to cover?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, they don't cover.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But I cannot get over how many games and where
teams just make bad decisions, turn the ball over, have
a field goal block, whatever it takes. It's like, it's
unbelievable when you take a look at this team. This
team reminds me of a few years back when the
Stealers started out. I think they were ten and one
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and they were the worst ten and one team I saw,
or nine to one or whatever was something like that,
and I just kept saying.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I just can't get it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
The Chiefs should be five, six and six or five,
and I mean easily in the red zone. They can't score.
How do they have Patrick Mahomes and they can't score
in the red zone. Five trips to the red zone,
four field goals and one touchdown. That's Patrick Mahomes. Not
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the same guy I remember, kay I cannot get over
how bad they are in the red zone, like one
of the worst teams all year.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But there they are eleven and one.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Feel good if you want breathing, like, yeah, three pt
we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
We're so good.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
This ain't gonna play when you play the big boys
when it really matters. They gotta play better. Their defense.
What has happened to the defense? That's what's been carrying
them before today? They gave up one twenty seven points
to a bad Panthers team and thirty points before that.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
This team they keep winning as a mirage.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
They're not the same team that they were a couple
of years, even last year with that defense played better.
The defense isn't playing well and Patrick Mahomes continues to struggle.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I mean sure, but they also won the game, so
you know that's the number one thing. Their record, their
top the AFC. They'll be the one seed. So all
of this it's luck.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
It's not like the Chiefs didn't block two field goals
on the way to this win streak, right. They blocked
the field goal today, blocked the potential game winning field
goal in Denver, and then fell on a fumble today
that would have ended up. If they had allowed Vegas
to recover, they would have gotten off another field goal.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So I mean, I sure they're lucky, it's this, just that,
but the other team has something to do with it.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And the fact that Kansas City is forcing turnovers, I
don't don't think that's happenstance. I don't think that's luck.
And I mean, you can't to me say that they're
the worst eleven and one team that we've seen, when
the Steelers just from a few years ago exist. And
plus I know that Vikings team they had lost two
games in the first twelve, but that team that lost
to New York, the lost to Daniel Jones to the
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New York Giants in the first run of the playoffs,
that team was worse than this team. But ultimately, the
Kansas City Chiefs are the pre eminent favorite out of
the AFC and deserved to be. And that's the reason
and the reason why is because they win games like this.
They don't lose to the Raiders, they don't lose to
the Broncos, they don't lose.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
These games type of games. Yeah, I disagree. I think
it's a that the other teams melt down and it happens.
That's why tom Brady's the low. Tom Brady's been in
so many situations to me where he shouldn't even had opportunities,
but teams for whatever reason. You're Kyle Shanahan, You're in
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field goal range in the Super Bowl, and what do
you do?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You pass the ball.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It doesn't even make It's not even logical football, since
you don't have to be a football coach first.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And ten at to twenty two.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
All you need to do is run the ball three
straight times, kick a field goal. You're up by eleven,
and tom Brady can't beat you in that Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
What do they do holding a sack? You're out of
field goal range? Dumb? It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I keep seeing the same thing when tom Brady then
beat the Panthers. Their kicker on a kickoff kicks the
ball out of back. Who kicks the ball out of
bounds in a Super Bowl? Just mind boggling, over and over.
And now we see the same things with the Chiefs
and they get every call too, So those things happen.
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But I can't believe that Patrick Mahomes, who started his
career like a house on fire, and I get injuries
and all that, but I is shocking on how bad
this has come down to it when it comes to
their offense and now where their defense is. Their defense
last year won them that Super Bowl, and I'll give
them all the credit in the world, but you can't
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keep on a shoe string. This will be the one
where the finally you'll wind up losing because everybody he's
not going to give you a break.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Someone is finally going to.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Do it, and it might be just in the playoffs
when it when it happens, and then you'll go back
and go, you know what, Yeah, we saw it all year.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, we saw it all year.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
They struggled all year in the red zone and finally
nothing goes their way and they wind up losing. And
that's how it's gonna end for them. I believe that's
how their season will end. All the stuff that we've
seen all year will finally cut catch up to them.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Maybe not now, but when it matters most.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I mean, sure it very well made, but at this
moment right now, that the best team in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And there's not really much debate on that.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
When you I don't go by records, I don't go
by records that records do not mean you're the best team.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So what exactly is the short menu for sports?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
No, I'm talking about when I it's the it's the
eye test of looking at teams. I don't think they're
the best team in the AFC or the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I didn't say the NFL. I said the AFC. But
when you look at it, to me, it's just to
me plainly, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
They're not better than the Lions. I should have They've
won two super Bowls in the last two years. They're
not better than the Lions.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Because the Lions are the only team in the NFL
that can withstand their quarterback playing a bad game and
still win.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So so you're based on that. They don't have to
hit last year. I'm not talking anything about that. But
I'm talking about when people give the Chiefs a past
is because of their past?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Is that not true? I'm not giving the Chiefs a
pass or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Most people will give the whole idea like even that
at one point this year Patrick Mahomes was in the
MVP race. How on what stats? What stats would he
have to be in the MVP race? But that's because
people always mix in uh, like it's a lifetime achievement.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
A betting market and who's actually going to win the
MVP is two drastically different things.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I'm just saying I agree with that. They're not always correlates.
I didn't say that. I said they are people who
still thought Patrick Mahons.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I'm not theirs, I'm not them so, but the virality
of it is when you look at this team offensively, sure,
are they as as explosive as they've been in the past. No,
but they're right there in the top fifteen in total office,
they're right there.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Offense is completely good on red zone sixteenth in the league,
they're like near the bottom. No, they're not.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
They're better than the Eagles in the red zone. They're
better than the I had it right here, They're not.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
That's just not true. They're the fifteenth or sixteenth best team,
and the exactly you've got that exactly if you give
me a second. But they're the fifteenth or sixteenth best
team in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They're the best team in the NFL on third down,
and even in the game today in which they only
scored nineteen points seven for sixteen on third down, they
continue to possess the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Where were they?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
How many in the red zone today? How many touchdowns
did they get?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think they only what they only scored two touchdowns
of the whole game. The Reds master one touchdown the
whole game. The rest of what's field goals.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But that also works out because they have excellent special teams.
They've blocked two field goal kicks in games in which
they won by three points. I don't think that's all
happenstance are as you said earlier. Look, I will take
this for whatever reason. I think the other reason these
teams struggle is because of the team they're playing against.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know, it's a little thing like defense. But the
other thing is too teams melt down in the NFL
all the time.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
The Packers last night tried their best to melt down
against the against the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
The Dolphins weren't good enough to overcome them, to overtake them.
That's the difference. You want to talk about.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Why the Chiefs seemingly always on the right side of
these things is because they are good enough to win.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They well.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Other teams melt down, or they have a moment where
they melt down, or Patrick Mahomes dows An interception. It's
not all is lost, it's oh, this is one step back.
Let's go ahead take two steps forward.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine, six sixty three sixty nine. The Kansas City
Chiefs are the worst eleven to one team I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
If Martin says fifty.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Five point eight percent in the red zone, better than
the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Packers, the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Martin said, forty nine Ers, Seaman, Steelers. All of those teams,
he says, they're the best a team in the AFC.
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine, six sixty three sixty nine. It is the
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Fox Sports Radio. Stick and stay unless you're delusional about
the Chiefs Kingdom in the US of A.
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It is the odd couple on a funky flashback Friday,
A Black Friday. Are you out there shopping or you're
doing it online? You know I still like to go
to the stores a little bit. Rob Parker, Martin weiz
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on Fox eight seven seven nine, nine to six sixty
three sixty nine. Real simple. It's the worst eleven in
one team i've seen. Reminds me of that bad Pittsburgh
team that started off like nine to one or ten
and one, something like that, and then they lost in
the playoffs, got blown out by Cleveland that year.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Martin White says they're just good and the other teams
melt down, and he still thinks they're the best team
in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Drew in Florida, you're on the odd couple, Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, Drew?
Speaker 6 (14:31):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Man? How are you?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
I'm good? How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Well?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Good? You that?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Did we lose you?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I'm here, man, go ahead here? What's up?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Man?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Would you take me?
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I just wanted to agree with you. Man.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
I think there's no reason at all that this Chiefs
team to.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Be eleven and one. So I don't know who that
was over there. Trying to justify that record, but they
definitely shouldn't be eleven and one.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So Drew in Florida, who in the AFC is better
than Kansas City right now?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Which okay? And see when you put it like that,
it's like, Okay, they probably are the best team.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But no, okay, not in one.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So if they were ten and two, Drew more in
the AFC is better than them. I think that's still
I believe that the Ravens are better. The Ravens lost
to the team that the Chiefs just beat. Yeah, Yo,
that doesn't mean anything. It's a football, man. It happens
all the time. That doesn't mean that because somebody beat
one team and you lost to them, that that means
that they're better than you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Come on more interesting when the results of the no
longer matter.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That's that did you know the difference? It's an eye
test that goes with it. Thanks, Drew, appreciated. Andrew in Bakersfield, California.
You're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (15:45):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Guys?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
How are you hey?
Speaker 8 (15:48):
First of all, when you put mashed potatoes as an
option for Thanksgiving, I think you got to put mashed
potatoes in gravy.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I agree with you if you're going to do that,
not just playing mashed potatoes with butter.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Right, Yeah, Okay, the Chiefs. Here's my thought. I think
people are losing to the idea of the chiefs and sometimes,
you know, you just got to say, F the chief,
F Patrick Mahms, F Andy Reid, F Travis Kelsey and
win the game. I'm you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
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think of it. They're like the chiefs are like a
rabbit dog with a broken leg. Put them down.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I mean if the rabbit dog with the broken leg
had also bitten every single person who tried to shoot
them with like, tried to put them down the shore,
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Andrew, thanks for the call. Appreciated. Douglas from New York.
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Douglas
is cold in New York. My man, how are you?
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Just cleaned off the car?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Am I right? Where are you in New York? Douglas?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
All they no word to the outside of north of here.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Albany, Syracuse, Rochester.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Are those are in New York? Is completely different? We're divided.
We got Syracuse and Rochester or out west Albany's in
the middle. We's central, We're the capital. Plattsburg's up top
that's by the border. New York City we don't even
affiliate with.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
We do not like them.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You know, what's always great is that it's New York City,
which is like a pin head on a map, and
then upstate New York, which is massive rock.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I wish, I wish you would talk more junk about
New York City. How dirty it is, like it is
the worse. I won't even go there, Like I have
family that goes there every year. It is every one
of my family members. I will not go because how
dirty and unsafe it is. And then I'll just get
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to the point.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Get to your point now, okay.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Okay, I'll do it quick. I'll do it very quick.
Patrick Mahomes. These guys, the public bets them so much,
and they always take them with the line. They take
the point or they take them.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I get you. They take Kansas City to cover everything would.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
They never covered, They never cover, They never cover. They
always win, Vegas always wins. It helps out the NFL.
And I know this is like conspiracy. Blah blah blah,
but they always wind up winning against these games and
their standalone games all the time. That you have to
be smart enough to just take the points against them
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because they never cover against big spreads when you expect them.
Everyone's sitting down at three o'clock, bove o'clock, nine o'clock
in whatever state you are for them to win. It's
crazy anything, Rob, I love you. You're my favorite first
thing sport.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I appreciate the other thing, thanks Douglas. Second Division. You
know Division game teams play each other every year. I
mean that's where they have the familiarity. This is the
last team, uh last I mean last year. This team
beat Kansas City, right though, one of the two of
the last losses they've had in three hundred and sixty
five days, so they're from very familiar. Eleven points are
ten points. There's way too many in this game. It
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was way too many in the game.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Anthony and Florida, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up?
Speaker 7 (19:21):
And they are you guys doing today?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Great?
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Real quick man, the conversation going back to Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
This is very simple man.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
And and by the way, I'm just a fan of
the game. I tell you one thing, but that guy,
that kid is just he's just a big winner.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Man.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
That guy you take off Mahomes, Is it take Peter Swift?
Did it take everybody you want from Kansas City? You
take away Mahomes?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
And I'm telling you.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Probably is a whole different team win the fool things
that guy is in every game I got place of
hard man. That's think the guy you want to play
with me, not for it? You want to play with
next to that guy? You want to go to one
with that guy I got one f doesn't matter how
much money doesn't matter. It's me hurts, doesn't matter if
it's fourth to nineteen. That guy wants to win. And
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that's all I see as a fan man like everybody else.
And the other thing is the only thing I see
that a little bit of preposition. Everybody gets their best
shot to Castas City right get in my opinion, every team.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I think people say that, but they always melt down
in situations where they don't even have to do anything
spectacular to win.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And that's the thing that is shocking to me. Not spectacular.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
They don't need a hundred ninety nine yard pass to
beat the Chiefs or something like that. Most of the time,
it's simple plays that just don't get executed. It's not
and that's the part that is surprising to me. Thanks, Anthony, appreciated.
How about Bobby from Florida. You're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
What's up? Bobby?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Rob, you too? Are how about you?
Speaker 9 (20:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I'm good. I'm hanging in there. I have to agree
with you again. Kansas City is horrible. I mean, if
you look at Andy Reid's face and Mahmes on the sideline,
they were stunned.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, you're always stun because they keep winning and they
can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
All right, Bobby, who's better in the a f C
than Kansas City?
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Excuse?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Who is better in the a f C than Kansas City?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Buffalo?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
With that?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
The Buffalo else? Well, that's good, he just answered your question. Thanks.
Is terrible. If Kansas City is the terrible, first eleven
in one terrible talk about it? Are eleven and one?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Andrea in Massachusetts, you're in the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Listen?
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Look what does Mike Tomlin say with the Steelers he says,
I'm gonna deal with it until I can replace it.
I'm dealing with intell I can replace it. And the
Chiefs right now, Rob, they're that irreplaceable team. Yes, the
Baltimore Ravens are better than them on paper. The Buffalo
Bills are playing with a mission no less, it's more
they've lost some talent, but are playing together and are
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playing inspired football. Nonetheless, when it matters most, we haven't.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Seen these teams take advantage of the Chiefs and get
it done.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So that's why for me, Well, when Cincinnati do it
in Kansas City, we saw that.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
It was.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
No, it doesn't matter. I saw it.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
They could be beat. They got Patrick Mahomes to a
pick at the end of the game, and guess what
they did. Cincinnati didn't get it blocked. Cincinnati didn't miss
the field goal. Guess what they did. They made the
field goal and went to the Super Bowl. Do you
remember that? And that's what's going to happen this year.
That's what's going to happen this year. Remember this conversation.
That's what will happen this year. They've been playing andre
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with fire all ye year. It's going to come back
to burn them all year.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
Rob, I see what you're saying. But for me, it
should have happened last year with Baltimore and Crunchtown and
they didn't get it done. Different team with King.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, but but yeah, this is my point. And you
just said it. Derek Henry's a difference maker. And last year,
UH and the and the same thing that I heard
over and over about Jason Tatum and the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Oh they can't win.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I don't care how many games they win during their
regular season. I don't care about Jason Tatum and his stats.
They can't win the champ Everybody Andre, and you know this.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
You're up in the mass in Massachusetts, everybody picked who
Dallas right, Nobody wanted to believe in in the UH
in Boston, and guess what happened.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
They finally broke through, correct broke through.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
They ran the table Boston.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
Rob, back to your original point, this was a team
that had the number one offensive efficiency in NBA history,
so they had a lot of momentum going into that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
But still people didn't pick them.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Is my point is because they didn't, and that they
won't pick the Wavens and they won't believe the Wavens.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Until they get it done. That's all I'm saying. That's it.
They got it.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
They gotta win, agreed, and I hope they do it.
I just need to see it. Thanks taking a call.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Appreciate it all right. It is the odd couple on
a funky flashback Friday. Let's get you caught up. Mister
Steve de Saga is at the anchor death Hello.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Gentlemen, how are you? I hope you're seated. I'm doing well.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
But the Raiders have been eliminated from playoffs?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (24:32):
So?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Did Antonio Pierce get a three year contract extension from
Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Answer?
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Right, he's gone like that Bellichick assistant Charlie Weiz, that
just kept getting you.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Remember that we came close, so let's give them an extension.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
By the way, I saw a great stand from Associated
Press in the Bay Area the win loss records of
coaches that Mark Davis has hired as Raiders owner, the
non interim coaches, they have the winning percentage of under
three eighty.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
That is just believable.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And Antonio Pierce adds to it, if there was uh
some of his decisions today and then again they got
a bad kicker.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
What to have kicking fifty six and fifty eight yard field.
Speaker 10 (25:11):
Goal and fifty five was also iced as well. Make
one of those three. When the long ones do get made,
then you yeah, maybe they got to win the game.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Steve, you know what's sick.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
If you counted interim coaches, the winning percentages will probably
go up.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Because rich Versacia had a winning record, he was one.
Antonio Pierce did he have a winning record. Last year's
Raiders head coach.
Speaker 10 (25:31):
Was interim coach interiom coach exactly and that one.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
Now.
Speaker 10 (25:34):
The winning percentage for the non or an interim Raider
coaches under Mark Davis about three eighty. The interim coach
is about a four to fifty five winning percent Watch
all you need to know. The Raiders lost their eighth
straight lost to Kansas City nineteen to seventeen. Raiders in
the final seconds down at the Chiefs thirty two, fumbled
a snap, Kansas City recovered, Chiefs clinched a playoff spot.
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Patrick Mahomes three hundred and six yards passing one TV
sacked five times. The Bears fired coach Matt Eberflus. Jacksonville
quarterback Trevor Lawrence due to return Sunday against Houston. San
Francisco quarterback Brock Perty expected to play against Buffalo this
weekend after missing a game with a sore shoulder to
college football Number eleven Boise State now eleven and one.
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After beating Oregon State thirty four eighteen. Ashton gent with
thirty seven carries two hundred and twenty six yards in
a score Number twenty five Colorado shut out Oklahoma State
fifty two nothing Oklahoma State oh N nine at the
Big Twelve Conference. Travis Hunter three touchdown receptions and an
interception on defense. Fourteenth ranked Old Miss beat Mississippi State
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twenty six to fourteen, and Georgia ranks seventh, is getting
underway at home against Georgia Tech. There's also a game
on Fox in a half an hour, Utah at UCF
in the NHL. Among the fourteen games, Minnesota and New
Jersey each one in the NBA, New York at Charlotte
ninety nine ninety eight. Memphis has beatn New Orleans won
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twenty one oh nine, ran to the Grizzlies back twenty
seven points.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Back to you, all right, thanks, Steve, appreciate it. It
is the odd couple. Rob Parker Martin Wise here on
Fox Sports Radio. We're broadcast alive from the tire rack
dot Com studios. Yesterday we talked about Antonio Pears after
today's game. I saw a lot of stuff on Twitter
about he should have kicked it with no timeouts left,
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only fifteen seconds. If he doesn't get the ball, if
they don't get to play, you know where it's out
of bounds for sure or incomplete pass. I guess that
the clock could have run out without them even having
a chance to attempt the field goal.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Where are you on that? A lot of people criticizing him.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I can't necessarily knock that decision because I think ultimately
the NFL, can you execute the snap appropriately?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I get that then, Like to me, that's unacceptable, Like
the court not even getting an opportunity to run the
last play is unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
That is a big time lost.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And if they had actually gotten a play, ran like
a seven yard and then maybe didn't execute that, but
just not being able to simply get the snap count
correct and the most important moment of the game, to me,
it speaks to like we talk about these you say
you t teams melt down. These teams are poorly coached.
That's what it That's why it melt it downs, Antonio. No,
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it's why the entire attention. I'm telling you, this is
why the entire attention, lack of a lack of detail
and lack of attention occurs, like in Chicago yesterday. How
that timeout doesn't get called here today, how that ball
is snapped without this just not enough time on task.
It's not enough time practicing that things are not enough
time executed correctly, the things that win you football games.
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It's not a big masterful secret. When you execute better
on third down, when you execute better on fourth down,
when you make field goals and don't turn the ball over,
you win games.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I talked to Carrie Roads, who did the Covino and
Rich's show earlier before he left, and I wanted to
get a feel for him, you know, or fifteen seconds
ago where a guy who's playing in the NFL if
is possible, And he said that if everybody's on the
right page and they do it right, they could pull
it off. But so he wasn't like it. It was,
(29:14):
you know, egregious and the end of the world. But
I know people already when you lose eight in a row.
When you're on the thirty two yard line, you have
a chance to upset the Chiefs. Fans are gonna be
bummed out about it. And if you're Antonio Peers, where
you were the flavor of the month last year when
he took over and people felt better about the Raiders
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because he was a player's former player for players coach
and they were excited about him. And now this season,
and of course there's a lot of things that went wrong.
But I don't know if he really has enhanced the
way people look at him, where people are just able
to just say it's the players and this injuries and
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not Antonio Peers. I don't think he's solidified himself as
a coach.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
There are bad teams in the NFL that we look
at and say, oh, this roster is bad. This coach
is pretty good, like Kevin Stefanski is pretty dog on good.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Like Is he a super Bowl winning head coach?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I don't know about that yet, but I know he's
better than probably half the head coaches in the league.
I think Brian Daboll is a pretty good head coach
when you look at his actual end game shit, I
think he can be fired though I think he can
be fired, I'm not those area because of the results
on the win loss results, the women loss results, and
the idea that he was supposed to be able to
(30:35):
transform Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Now maybe Daniel just doesn't have talent, but that was
one of the reasons that they bought him to the Giants,
and they thought they were gonna be able to you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
That's cast and Brian Dable would have had to graduate
with Harry Potter and read Ron grangerate and do a
magic trick on Danio.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But he did make him into a quarterback. I agree.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't think Daniel Jones was ever a quarterback, but
because he came with from the Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You know Josh Allen what he did in Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
But any bad teams in the NFL that have coaches
that we can say, Okay, this coach is better than
what this team is putting on the field. Conversely, we
have good teams in the NFL look at their coach
and say, man, if they had a little bit of
a better coach, like Cincinnati, for example, they had a
better coaching staff, they'd be a they would be real
threats in the AFC every single year. Now, Antonio appears
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didn't do enough here to show that he could get
a job somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
But I do ultimately think this.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Roster, Jim Harbaugh, Jesus Christ himself could not win with
this roster. I don't think anybody could. When you're walking
into a season with Gardner, Mitchell and Aidan O'Connell as
you're one and two playing right, So the idea that
they're close in this game, that's impressive.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But all these games is that impressive on them? Or
or is that a knock on? Almost? Seriously, I got
almost all of these games in the NFL are close.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And to me, when you consistently show the ability to
win close games, that means your coaches are preparing you.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Better, but not the other way around, aren't you? Okay?
So when you lose close games, their coaches are not.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
This This is the idea of not being able to
close it out, not being able to finish, and that's
we see it all the time. It happens in the
NBA a lot too. You can't finish the game, and
those are the things that happened. You just can't get
it done at the end, all right? Eight seven, seven
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Speaker 2 (33:35):
Nine picks in a row, nine picks in.
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all put on social media earlier.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Today. I have the Heat minus seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
That's the best bet taking on the Raptors in Miami,
Pacers minus five and a half at home taking on
the Pistons, and the Celtics minus eleven and a half
taking on the Bulls in chicag It's a lot of points,
but we know how the NBA plays it, so again,
best bet he minus seven and a half. I also
have the Pacers minus five and a half, and I
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have the Celtics minus eleven and a half.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And remember, I'm not telling you who to bet on.
I'm telling you who I bet on.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
All right, Martin Eba Flewes, I mean, I know the
people in Chicago are happy.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
What was your reaction today when he got fired and
apparently he didn't even know.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
He did a zoom or something. He did a zoom earlier.
If you read the reports. I mean I watched the
press conference, had a whole press conference. One of the
I thinks was Courtney cronin ESPN asks and says, how
do you feel about your job security? He says, I'm
looking forward to against San Francis. Then as soon as
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it was over, they called him into the offense. I
guess grand opening, grand closing. It's like when they tweet
out the picture saying happy birthday to the player who
got cut earlier that day. But no, my surmise, I
was surprised. I was shocked at all. Amos Brown called
it yesterday as soon as the game was over, said
that's eber Fluch's job, and I say yesterday. Here on
the odd couple, the only logical explanation for not calling
(35:21):
a time out is that Kelly Eberflus was mad at
Matt Eberfluch for missing Thanksgiving and made him promise that
he'd be home for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
That's the only logical explanation that anybody could have for
not calling time out, even though he tried to justify
it in the post game, which might have been even
worse than the actual decision.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Sometimes you just got it. Sometimes hand up. We messed up.
My bad.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
We're gonna do better next time, as opposed to we
liked our operation. Well if you liked the operation, And
that's why you're sitting on the couch going forward, Matt Ebraflus.
But yeah, I'm not when I say not surprised, I'm
not surprised one bit. And that's why I said yesterday
that game ended just as good as it could for
a Chicago Bears fan because you saw a lot of
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growth out of your rookie quarterback in the second half,
but not so much growth that you got ebra.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Flu's bailed out. But uh, you know, for me as
a kid growing up, I was watching and I'll never
forget it. The famous Joe Pisarcik was the quarterback for
the New York Football Giants against the Eagles. It was
called the Miracle of the Metal at the Metallands and
(36:30):
the Giants offensive coordinator was a guy named Bob Gibson.
And for whatever reason, if you go back and watch
this play, go YouTube it, the announcers say.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
All the Giants have to do is kneel on the
ball and they.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Will win this game against the Eagles. And then the
announcer shrieks.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Hand off to.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Zanka Larry Zakaa running back ball never gets to him,
fumble her Herm Edwards. I was watching that, Steve. Were
you watching that game? Okay, I'll never forget it was
one Do you know what, Steve, You're on the West Coast,
it was the East Coast Giants.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You probably didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It was in those days. You only saw the local
teams for the most part. And I'll never forget that.
The only reason I bring it up is he was
fired the next day and and this happened sometimes. I
know the Bears that never fired a coach in their
history during the season, but some players like this will
force a team where they just say, dude, we can't
(37:37):
go on with this. And I think that that's what happened.
Once once the owner and once they've heard all the
other NFL people, the coaches and the players. I mean,
I just I didn't hear anybody defend them.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I just didn't know.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
And so once you can't, there's nobody to defend him.
And that guy still goes into a press conference and
still tries to sell that. I think that you have
almost no choice when you sell such a terrible uh decision.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
At the end of a game.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
I mean you had jawon Brisker Bear safety tweeting after
eber Flukes was fired, tweeting, God, don't make mistakes, like I.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Don't know about that.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
My god.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
He's like, that's how bad it was. And here's you know.
Another thing is interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Thomas Brown started this year as the passing game coordinator
for the Chicago became the offensive coordinator, and I came
to the offensive coordinator when Shane Walter got fired. Now
he's the interim head coach. This is the second year
in a row that Thomas Brown has been an interim
head coach. He was the interim I go to Carolina
last year.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's to be interesting to see maybe he can put
something together here, maybe because this is a team not
the like Caroline last year was devoid of talent to Bears.
The Bears are not.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
And you know what, we were looking at some stuff.
The stat about Caleb Williams two hundred twelve passes without
a rookie record without an interception. I mean, he's had
some games and he looked good in the second half
against the Lions. H there's something that work did. There's
some some scouts. Who one guy that we've had on
a couple of times who said he was still a
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bust or whatever and we got to have him back
on or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Is that the guy's name. Yeah, Yeah, he's he.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
You could say he's not gonna be a Hall of Famer,
Pro Bowl or whatever, but you can't still call him
a bust. I mean, he just set a rookie record
a bus I think that's extreme. All Right, our number
two of the Odd Couple is coming up, and we're
gonna talk about Caleb Williams better than advertise or not.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Are you feeling Caleb?
Speaker 8 (39:44):
I know I am.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I love what I'm seeing, even though they're not getting
the results they want with your wins, I think he
has something to play with. All Right, the Odd Couple,
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