July 31, 2024 • 40 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris debate where Nikola Jokic ranks amongst the Best Players in the World and tell us if Lamar Jackson needs to win a Super Bowl to help legitimize his two NFL MVP awards. Plus, podcast host Cuffs the Legend swings by to discuss how the 2024 and 2012 Team USA Basketball teams would fare in a hypothetical matchup with the 1992 Dream Team.
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Got hot and heated in that first hour, so we're
gonna keep it going.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
My co host Sean King, who's in for Rob Parker,
is into field.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Apparently I didn't know. He's sensitive.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You know, he's into his feelings and you know when
he watches an athlete, he wants that warm and fuzzy,
you know, feeling to just engulf him.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So I get it. That's be more different. I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Otherwise, then why be in the presence of greatness if
you don't feel a differentation emotionally from when you're just
watching really good.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I'm just saying that to me, how you personally feel.
It's not an objective fact or Honestly, I don't think
it's a legitimate point in a discussion, in a debate
like I'm debating somebody on the Gold conversation such as well,
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if I'm going at somebody with Lebron versus MJ, and
I'm saying MJ's the goat, yo. But man, look, I
just felt when I watched Jordan, I just fell all
fuzzy inside. I don't think that's a legitimate point. You
can't that does it? That that is not because he
made the person I'm talking to, or some other person
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or every other person on earth may not feel anything
like I felt.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It objective the separation to me when it comes to
Jordan and Lebron, and a lot of it has to
do with the fact that there was more coverage doing
Lebron's run than there was Jordan, so you didn't see
all of Jordan's games. But emotionally, even when the Bulls lost,
Jordan made you feel like he was the best ever.
(02:37):
He was the best that night, his team just came
up short. There were moments where Lebron shot away from
taking the big shots. We watched him grow up right
in front of us. He didn't go to college, so
we saw him from right out of high school.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And those are facts other than Jordan made you feel
like that to me, that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's one in the same. It's one in the same.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Does not feel have nothing to do with it. I
might feel like I'm a hard for graduate, I'm not.
I mean, I might feel like I'm an NBA x
NBA player. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's about the facts, but that that's not even what
I wanted to get into. I mean, well, who's denying
the facts.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You're denying emotional attachment, which is the most.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Every Scott feelings that could have can be completely different.
I can't worry about feelings. When I gotta make my
my twelve man roster out of fifty players, I gotta
crazy people.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I'm able to do it. I'm sorry, Emotionally, I feel bad.
I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I gotta cut because because sports is emotion like. That's
why when you go to a live sport going crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's when when you hating based on emotion. No, but okay,
why don't we just pick the best team we think
is the best?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
See I used to do that in college football, and
it was kind of a mess.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You're trying to isolate one point and make it big
picture when I'm saying it's a part of the entirety
of me believing that someone is the best, greater than
all of the others. I'm saying, for me, it's more
than just analytics stats.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It includes those somebody saying you're trying to say it's
it's a compliment or accomplishments. It's the eye test, it's
it's so many things.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It's weaknesses and strengths.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I get all that, but those things are measurable, objectively
measurable for the most part, For the most part, your feelings, Sean,
you could have a feeling that no one else on
earth has, but that you can't. I can't say a
person is definitively the best player just based on feelings.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And it's a debate.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I mean, there is list of the actual best players
in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But I tell you what, when I'm voting All NBA team,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I can't go by you know what, I feel, but
can feel better when I watch.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Definitely an NBA player. I'm not diminishing his eliteness.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm saying that you have to make decisions. When you
pick an All NBA team, you have to make a decision.
I think he's NBA based on subjectivity, and he's.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
An All NBA player, I think subjectively, objectively statistically, there's
an argument on who is currently the greatest player in
the game of basketball as we sit here about to
be August of twenty twenty four. That's all I'm simply saying.
I don't think it's cut and dry, black and white
that automatically it's joking.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, look, of course, that's fine. I mean this is
a subjective thing.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
We're no. You say it like it's law.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, I mean I think he's clearly the best, but
you yes, I would like you to because I say this,
First of all, can we get Steph at thirty five,
the Aaron Fox, Jason Tatum out of it?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
First of all, if it's no one, that that means
it's wide open and it's a bunch of guys that
are coming it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Not necessarily to me, it could be no one and
it be between three guys listen.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Kansas City drafted Patrick Mahomes. Alex Smith was a starting
quarterback in Kansas City. Tom Brady was the unquestioned goat
at the quarterback position currently and as far as we
could foresee into the future. Then all of a sudden,
Alex Smith, I don't know if he got hurt, if
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they just played.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They knew they were going to play.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Mahomes comes in and now look what we sit. But
nobody understand what that has to do, because nobody thought
Mahomes was the next coming. He was the one that
was going to follow Brady and.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Be on the way in. So I'm saying, you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Just kick dearon Fox and some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And I don't want to make this anti dear.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Alexander.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You are putting the air of Fox in the ring up.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You are putting the air No you brought him up.
He should He does not belong in his house.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Down the list after shake, Alexander gamed about four dudes
and he was one of them.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And come on, I mean, you can't Shae.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't think Shane's the best player in the world,
but you can put you.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Can say Shaye.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And I'm not gonna be like what the airon Fox.
I'm sorry, he's not in the best player in the
world discussion, and don't put him in.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The same class as Patrick Mahomes. I mean Mahomes through.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Fifty touchdowns and what fifty two hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Is first season playing the contact. Why we start saying, man,
this dude. One day.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
My teague to go was there was not that premeditated
a annointing of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
He not in basketball anointed. Jokichi is the second round job.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I didn't say anybody did. I didn't say anybody anointed Brady.
He got it from the mud to six round draft pick.
Maybe a bledshoe runs out of bounds. We don't even
know Tom Brady. I don't know things happen. What I'm
saying is, I don't think right now Jokick is undeniably
the best basketball player in the world.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not saying he's not one of the top three
or five.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
But you can't give me twenty guys. It's wide open.
It ain't wide open. It is Yoki.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I think we're.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Gonna reconvene at the All Star break, and I bet
there are some names in this conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Hold on Yokic, MB or Yannis Luca.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
The only reason Yannis isn't the first name out of
my mouth because he's coming off of being injured.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, I don't think that should take him out. He's
still in his prime, he's still gonna be you know,
he's good. But I think it's between Jokic, Luca and
Yannis that those are only three guys. I think if
you want to throw shade, you can throw in.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
There's a baller by the way, the Clippers, great job,
But I don't there's.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Not twenty names. So we gonna we're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
We're gonna talk about comparisons before the end of the show.
I'm not not on Look, I don't even want to
say it because I don't want to come off like
anti this player.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But no, I'm not gonna agree with you.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I bet there are a lot of people riding around,
a lot of people at work thinking listening to the
odd couple that agree with me that Joker is not
the unquestioned best player in the world.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's just not that's fine. I mean, I'm just saying
that's the answer if there is none.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I mean, come on, I don't think there is. I
think you make an argument for quite a few guys
that are.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We can always say there is none, because I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That's not true. No, it is Kobe.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
When was Kobe the best player in the world.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That second run of championships with buying them and Goosol. No,
I thought it was Kobe at that point because Lebron
had won one yet.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Nie still, I think Lebron was not Lebron.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Lebron still in Cleveland. He had issues at that time.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
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Speaker 2 (12:13):
He will be coming on to discuss his.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Opinion that the twoenty twelve team USA.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I mean, every team's not the Dream Team, all right,
but twenty twelve Kevin Durant, Lebron Westbrook, Tyson Chandler, Darren Williams,
Andre Goodala, Kobe so on and so forth, James harden
Or Carmelo, Anthony, Anthony Davis, they won gold and he
thinks they were better than the original Dream Team, Skip Bayless,
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Keishawn Johnson, Paul Pierce. They were discussing this year's squad
twenty twenty four versus the Dream Team of ninety two,
which one was better?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
They did that on Undispute.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We at first things first, myself and my co hosts
Nick Wright and Kevin Wilds, we did a draft of
players from those two teams, and who would you take?
And so it seems and there are other people out
there that have compared.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Them, but it seems fashionable all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To compare this team in twenty twenty four to the
original Dream Team, which has generally been viewed as the
best team ever assembled. How would you compare these two teams?
And I've said, and I've talked with Rob g I'm
fine doing it today.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's a great conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
But let them win gold first, win goal first, which
I think they will.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But how do you compare this team to ninety two?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It's so tough, Chris, because we ever really saw the
best of the ninety two team. I mean, they were
so much better than the rest of the world at
that time in the game of basketball, right you know,
everything was a blowout. I mean, so they were so dominant.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
They won by about forty GC with their average victory
it was forty one or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean, how and it's not like they had bad players.
That Croatia team had what Drazen Petrovic and Coucoke and
a couple other NBA guys, So they played like a
team or two, you know, they.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Four points was the average margin, right.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like, I mean, no one's been that dominant off the
top of my head.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Since then, well, we were for the next few year,
like ninety six, they routed them. I mean we two
thousand was the first time it was close. Lithuania gave
us a battle, and because we were trading two pointers
for threes, they were in a bunch of threes and
we were playing big inside out. And then of course,
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for a few years we started losing in the feet competitions.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And then in four we actually lost the you.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Know, the the NBA or Team USA lost and then
that's when the Redeemed Team came back in O eight
and we've won ever since.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I just mean, it's hard for me to ever say
that anybody would have beaten the Dream Team competitive, yeah,
but I mean they didn't have any weakness.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
They had the two.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Best distributors of the basketball we've ever seen, Magic Johnson,
John Stockton running the point, I really had a lead shooting,
Chris Mullin, Larry Bird. I mean, they had athleticism and
all time greats on the wing, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan,
Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I mean, they had the best.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Under six foot six four we've ever seen, Charles Barkley,
Caul Malone maybe the best offensive back to the basket
game of any power forward in the history him Duncan probably
in that conversation. And then you got David Robinson and
Patrick ew and Donna Ankorn. I mean, they're big, they're athletic,
they got hot basketball at Q. They played great defense,
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Like people don't understand what it was like just trying
to get the ball cross half court when Jordan and
Pippin really were like, Okay, we really go d up.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That was a big part of their dynasty. Yeah, it
was their their wing defense.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Here's the one thing, the one thing, the one thing
that the modern NBA team or the modern Olympic teams
don't really have that I think would be an issue.
They don't have the same level of rim protection. No,
that that that that dream team had.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Although this team within bid and Anthony Davis's he's not
he's not really good protection action.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I mean I would say.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
He's he's BAM's a better defender, but a good defender.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Could you imagine Bam trying to guard Barkley.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, I think Barkley too strong form, but Bam Bam
obviously would have a height events.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We talk about I agree, like when the way you
laid it out for that dream team was like, oh
my gosh. But here's what we have to remember. Larry
Bird was the shell of himsel.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
His back was hurting.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
He was thirty five years old.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Back was jack that he wasn't practicing, and so he
didn't even play that much in the game.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
So we're not talking about vintage Larry.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But when he did play, he was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But I mean he just went out there and shot
open jumpers, you know. I mean that the competition was
so thin. But Magic Johnson Magic was Remember he had
retired a year earlier because of HIV, and so he
was a year removed from competitive NBA basketball, so he
wasn't at his best.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
How Lebron and ad won that title in the bubble,
they got the refresh.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, but it wasn't a whole season.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Like I would argue that Magic was not at his best,
even though you couldn't tell in those games because it
was so easy.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But I mean, a year removed, he probably wasn't at
his best. I think that's a safe assumption.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So though I think that's the thing that you're not
talking about all these guys in their prime.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So that's one of the things. But what I do give.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Them as an advantage too, And you mentioned some good ones.
Back then NBA players played five man basketball. It wasn't
all high pick and roll, spread the floor and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It was five man.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
We're moving, I'm moving without the ball, We're setting screens
and things like that. And that's a more effective way
to play basketball. That's why Golden State had their dynasty.
They weren't I mean without Durant, they weren't like the wildest,
more wildly talented, you know, but they moved around and
that was unique San Antonio when they ran through the
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heat in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Duncan was past his prime.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But they moved the ball and they moved their players
around and stuff like that. And so today's NBA players
aren't as effective at doing that. And so I think
you cannot write off the Dream Team, even with the
deficiencies I mentioned, because Bird and Magic.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Were at the end of their career. They were playing
with ten because Layton and Bird really don't count. But
Magic played really good in those Olympics.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I mean, but again, I mean who didn't, But everybody
played well. I I don't think he was at his best.
But Magic Johnson also, Sean is the best player ever
at developing chemistry and incorporating teammates.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And he's a matchup nightmare for this current team on him,
who's gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I mean you whether it's Tatum or try to put
Tatum on him?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If you think Colonel Tatum in the game now, I I.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Mean but that, I mean that's really who it might
come down.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Like to me?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Was their lack of size. I don't think team Yeah,
I don't know this one compared to this team.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, you got MB. MB would bang with ewing and.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And I can't run the floor with David Robins, David
Robinson running MB right back to the bench the way
those boys got up and down the court and with
Magic and stocked and discribed in that ball with Loan
and just to play the game harder. More for the
issue for guys like MB.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's hard to write off the Dream Team because of
how smart they played.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And I just think players place they're better.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They were better at team basketball back then than they
are now.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
And I couldn't make either team a problem, huh. Jo
couldn't make either team.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
First of all, he couldn't make the team. He better
than Patrick Ewitt and David Robinson.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
He doesn't fit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
He would have fit, he'd have been in burdsed by.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
All right, if we got cuffed the Legend around the corner,
we'll get into this more with him.
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Our man cuffs the Legend.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
What's up, Bro Fellas Man? Happy to be back, man,
I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Man.
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Always a good time with y'all. Man. Sean, my god,
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Brother man?
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Bless us man to finally being able to get on
the platform and talk a little ball with you.
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Man. We've been following each other on.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
The platform formerly known as Twitter.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I guess I can call him. I'm not for quite
a time.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, Cuffs, you tweeted at me a couple I was yesterday,
a couple days ago. Yeah, my guess is you just
wanted to get on the show because the subs in
the tweet, the substance in the tweet is a little crazy.
I mean, so I'm mad at you because we needed
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to get you on anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
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Speaker 1 (22:32):
The twenty twelve Team USA would beat nineteen ninety two
Dream Team at Chris Brusarry. So, Cuffs, just let me
let me quickly go over the roster for twenty tweets.
Please do uh Tyson Chandler and Anthony Davis are the
Biggs and Kevin Love I guess, but no, no, just
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just stop at Chandler and Davis. They gotta match up
with you in and Robinson. I'll take you in in
David Robinson Power Forwards.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You got Kevin.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Love Prime, Kevin Love Man, Prime.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Kevin Love is getting demolished by Prime Charles Barkley or
call Malone or call Malone absolutely and then I'm not
But let me now you the rest of the name.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Kevin Durant. That's fine. Lebron great in his prime.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Russell Westbrook not really the setting for him, you gotta
admit that, but he's on there. Darren Williams was great
at that time, Andre Woodala, Kobe James, Harden, Chris Paul
and Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
That's a squad.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But why are they beating the ninety two dreams?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I think this the twenty twelve squad. First of all,
it's a lot of veribles, it's all hypothetical. Ilight have
fun with this stuff. I'm saying, a seven game series scenario,
seven games, not a one game scenario, been game series
anywhere in the world, right neutral court, whenever you have
Lebron James, the NBA's all time leading scorer, right and
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Kevin Durant. I'm gonna stop at those two guys, that
right there alone would be the best duo we've ever
seen on the court. Versatility wise, the lives the IQ.
I feel like KD would equalize or neutralize Michael Jordan's right.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Here's the prib with KD like because I think you
could argue Magic and Kareem. Now, Kareem was at the
tail end of his prime when Magic is earlier in
his career. But Kevin Durant, I think you'll admit this,
and and Durant's great. They're all great, So I'm not
arguing against his greatness. Physical basket, physical defense bothers him
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like against really really no, I'm gonna tell Boston, and
Kyrie was on the floor with him, so it ain't
like you didn't have any other players that the defense
had to worry about.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They got physical.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
And when he was in Brooklyn with him in that
sweep in the playoffs, Kevin Durant was struggling to get
the ball up court.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He was turning the ball over uncharacteristically.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He shot in the thirty percents, you know something, in
thirty percent, under forty percent. Jason Tatum out played him,
and they all they did was get physical, kind of
like nineties basketball. So this notion Durant would have been
a superstar back then, Don't get me wrong, but this
notion that, oh my gosh, they wouldn't have known what
to do with Durant.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Naw, they would have got physical with Durant because you.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Were allowed to back then, and he still would have
been great, but he wouldn't have been any better than
he is.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Right now, Let's put the puzzle together. Let's put the
puzzle together, Like the advisers, who is your five you're
putting out there against not only the twenty twelve teams,
but even the team now on like the twenty twenty four,
this team, we watch it right now. I agree with y'all.
They have to get it done. They can't show. They
got to go out here and get the gold medal
first and foremost. Look at the crows they're playing against.
(26:13):
They're not playing against Angola in ninety two, who were
happy to be there signing autographs. They were.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
They were playing against South Sudan that just started playing basket, just.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Their first bons out there. There's prone a couple of dudes.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
They had a cup of coffee in NBA.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Let me arrest one player. Basketball is about matchups. Who's
your starting five on that twelve team? If you're playing
the dream team, who's your who's your starting five?
Speaker 7 (26:40):
I'm playing Lebron James at point guard, and then I'm
putting Kobe at the two, Kati at the three. We're
going Carmelo Anthony. I don't know why, all of a sudden,
everybody acting like camel Carmelo is not a top ten
all time leading scorer, win the top three cure scorers ever,
one of the greatest tops three.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Purest scores ever. I mean, look, mellows great. I don't
want to disparage Melo, but you tripped here.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Currently that's the current players, Chris, the.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Top three pure scores ever.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
I mean, stop that top five.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, oh my god, Mello is great again.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I don't want to disparage mellow but you're going too far.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I mean, come on, we're talking international fever basketball rules.
We talked with.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Memos, so you not talking about you're talking about I'm
talking about NB of NBA players.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm talking about NBA career.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, so you're saying he's one of the top five
pure scores ever.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Mello, mellow Fish, he didn't even shoot forty five for
his career. He was hot. Value of Chris. You know
that he was a hot that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's the problem if you high volume and you don't
ain't efficient, that's a negative.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
So here's my five, Bron and Mellow and I'm gonna
go with Crime Blake Griffin at my five.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
So, so Watson, here's what I feel like, and the
rules depend the matter to what rules we're playing.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
We're playing ninety two.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Looking at so, so when Blake was on that team,
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I think it was Tyson Chanler. I think it was
Tyson Chanler and somebody else.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Blake wasn't on that team.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And he was on the team.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Man, I'm look up the roster.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
ROGI look up the roster that works in my favor
even more, Chris, because they're gonna counter with the Admiral
Paul Malone, Pippin Jordan Magic and Nope, Malone might score
one hundred and twenty points.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
That no, no, no, Malone is Malone is getting space.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Here's my I'm putting Barkley in over Mill.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Either way, Barkley and Malone would get played off the
floor with Durant and Braun and them. That's spacing, I'm
telling you. And Blake was.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Blake was replaced by Anthony Davis because of injury. Here's
here's this to me, cuffs, this should have been your argument.
Bird was a shell of himself. He never played again.
Right after that, he wasn't practicing, didn't play much, and
that Magic was a year removed from the NBA. Magic
was a year removed from the NBA. But here's the problem,
(29:24):
and you might you might disagree with this. Cuffs players
back then played team basketball better than they do today.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Most players grow up playing and playing the NBA. Most
one or two man basketball. I soo, they're great with
the ball in their hands, not so great without it
in their hands, or high pick and roll, spread the floor.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's one or two man ball.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Back then, they played five man basketball, including Jordan, like
all of them played five man basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's a more effective way of player than.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Hey. Listen, Chris, I agree with I'm like my pop
says it all the time. They shoot too many threes. Now,
that's the one thing I will agree with y'all with.
But let's be let's be real here. Jory was playing
in the triangle offense, but outside of that, they were
playing bodybuilder basketball. Those Nicks, they was clogging up the paint.
You've seen those Pacer teams with the Davis brothers.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Man, Oh, they were.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
More physical, for sure, they were physical.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
But those Nick games, those Bulls Knick series, go look
at the film. It was clogged up paint.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
No, the paint.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, I agree, but I'm saying the offenses weren't built
around one player.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, there was very little high pick and rolls. At
that point.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Isaiah Thomas said, you were a very little high pick
and roll. It was more five man offenses. And the
reason Golden State, even with ale Kevin Durant, could win
two championships was because they played five man basketball. And
now a lot of players are like, no, my gosh,
what is this?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
But it's better. I mean, I like the three because
obviously three is worth more than two. But I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
One of the reasons these under talented international teams are
able to play with US is because they get everybody involved.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, but but they're still they're pros that aren't stars
in the NBA. For the most part.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
They go over there, they got a bunch of role
players and maybe one star, and they pushing us because.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
They play more, they.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Get more backdoor cuts, they do more screening. It's more
five man basketball.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Let me say this though, a lot of times you
see guys in the international stage, they play with more confidence. Right,
He's like, dang, look at Evan Fourgnie or look at
Dennis Shrewder, or look at Franz Wagner. Right, you see
these guys. But the fans also have to understand in
their NBA role, they're a role player on that team.
These guys. If you unlock them and give them the
green light and give them more shots, you will see
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guys be able.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, Vagner's been unlocked. Wagner's unlocked, and he's mean, I mean,
you dealing like, oh, what's it? If fourty eight had
his opportunities to be unlocked, he just didn't do much
with it.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
But then it Shrewder looks great in international ball.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I thought Shooter was gonna develop into a star, like
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
If Bron would have got off the way Shrewd would
have been, Oh, come on, don't do it.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
I knew I knew it. I knew it now, man,
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I'm just joking you this because we've been debating this.
Who is the best player in the world right now,
right now today, I'm Lebron at thirty.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Two now, right now, I mean we're watching these Olympics
right now, and when I'm watching these international games, Yokich
is over there right He's supposed to be the best
player in the world. I'm gonna be real with you.
Lebron has looked like the best player in the world,
and his teammates agree.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You cough, Lebron, you just fell a whole hour and
a half of Radiote.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Ain't the authority on this. I'm just humor.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, no, no, I'm just but hold on cause you know,
and I'm not just talking about in a sixth game
Olympic tournament, Lebron has looked like the best player in
Team USA, in the world. That's fine right now, but
i'm you can he can do that or over six
games where you're playing twenty five minutes a night, you
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got great help, so you don't your team doesn't lose
the lead when you go to the bench, and like
it's different, you're getting.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Rest, no back to backs.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
He ain't the best player in the NBA season anymore.
And that's no slight on Lebron. You know, I love Lebron,
but he got Anthony Davis and they're not a huge,
you know, top tier contender.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
Right now, you can't say, huh, they're the best duo
in the world. They're showing you everybody that right now. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I mean, I look, I know you're gonna say Lebron
is the best that every single thing.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
He ain't the best player in the world right now.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Okay, this tournament is not the measure of the best
player in the world. Its first He's not. But I
would say is the overall best player in the world?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Is Sean anything to say? Yeahs.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
The discussion was this, I don't think there is a
consensus number one player in the world right now.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I think it's up for grabs some Knight, some nice John.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Even though I think his game is ugly aesthetically like, right,
he don't.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Can he be the best because he doesn't have a
He obviously not a consistent jump shooter, and it's that
would be fine if you went in the post and
was beasting mugs as a seventh but he doesn't do
that either, so you know he doesn't have a go
to shot.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So couse great.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
I'm gonna tell you who was not that guy real quick, dear.
I call him the camera Roon cry Baby, the double Agent,
Joe l EMBII.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Oh, y'all, we.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
We ain't mad at because MB. I think MB is
kind of being exposed in these Olympics.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
My course, I agree with you on that you got
to get in shape. That's my thing. With him. His
game is nice, he's skilled. You gotta get in shape.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
You're talking about embid. Yeah, he's always hurt Kansas. He
got a lazy game, you know what I'm saying. Lazy game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And he looks in the way right now, like they
don't even need him. I mean, he looks like he's
in the way. So he touts the legend BA Bam
is balling. Great stuff, man. Check him out on the
Some Dude Show podcast. Cuffs the legend great stuff as always.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
We will talk soon.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Man, anytime.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Y'all right, three point shoot on the team.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
We're gonna have to talk about m b we we
you know mb I like him, all right, so we
get into that next. Keep it lying a A Couple
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Let's talk about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Raining MVP.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
He now has two youngest player ever to win MVPs
but also the only player to win multiple MVPs who
has never won a championship. And now he is the
only the third highest winning percentage in the regular season ever.
But of the six guys above seventy percent, he's the
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only one that hasn't won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
In fact, all of them have won at least two.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So how much pressure do you feel is on Lamar
Jackson to win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Obviously he's got to do it eventually, but this year.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I think regarding his legacy and how he'll be remembered
when he stops playing the game, there's a mitch pressure.
As a professional athlete. The one thing that you want
to do is you want to be idolized after you're done.
You want to be able to walk back in said stadium,
in said city, on said college campus, whatever it is,
(37:59):
and people be like man Bruce sa was a hell
of a player. Like we remember him, We remember where
we were exactly when you did this, that and the other.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Now I'm just saying, right, I think the issue with
him now is.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I've heard more about off the field marketing, branding type
things this off season I have about him on the field.
Then when the start of training camp he's got little
nick and nagging injuries, can't participate. It'll be interesting. But
I mean, he's an elite talent. He went to a
great organization, has done everything but win a championship. I
(38:37):
can understand how when you look at the competition in
that conference, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, justin Herbert, Joe Burrow,
I mean, all these young guys could get a little antsy.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Now I'm with you, Hi, Look, he's a Hall of
Famer already, just by virtue of THEO the two MVPs.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You thing you don't think, Yeah, I think so, the
two MVPs, the best running quarterback ever, the high win percentage.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I think he is Statistically he might be the best
running quarterback ever. I don't think I view him as
the best running You think it's better Michael Vick. Now
I mean Vic was finished before he went to jail. Absolutely,
Vic was when he got back. But well, I think
his best season ever. Now this wasn't so running.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, that first year in Philly you would agree with that, right, Yeah,
it's a little different level with that year with Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I mean Vic's the best running quarterback we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, I mean statistically is obviously Lamar's running far more yards.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
If you want to argue Vic, I get that. But yeah,
I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But to your point, I mean, he's been so successful
in the regular season that if he doesn't win a
Super Bowl, I think he will.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
It will be Yeah, it'll be he It's to guarantee
the Hall of Fame. It's too many big names. It's
too many big names around him and one you unanimous. Yeah, man,
what if Josh Allen goes what if Allen u Borough
goes on a run.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well, they can both go into Hall of Fame. They
are in fact, it's my opinion. All we got an
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Got hot and heated in that first hour, so we're
gonna keep it going.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
My co host Sean King, who's in for Rob Parker,
is into field.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Apparently I didn't know. He's sensitive.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You know, he's into his feelings and you know when
he watches an athlete, he wants that warm and fuzzy,
you know, feeling to just engulf him.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So I get it. That's be more different. I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Otherwise, then why be in the presence of greatness if
you don't feel a differentation emotionally from when you're just
watching really good.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I'm just saying that to me, how you personally feel.
It's not an objective fact or Honestly, I don't think
it's a legitimate point in a discussion, in a debate
like I'm debating somebody on the Gold conversation such as well,
(01:48):
if I'm going at somebody with Lebron versus MJ, and
I'm saying MJ's the goat, yo. But man, look, I
just felt when I watched Jordan, I just fell all
fuzzy inside. I don't think that's a legitimate point. You
can't that does it? That that is not because he
made the person I'm talking to, or some other person
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or every other person on earth may not feel anything
like I felt.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It objective the separation to me when it comes to
Jordan and Lebron, and a lot of it has to
do with the fact that there was more coverage doing
Lebron's run than there was Jordan, so you didn't see
all of Jordan's games. But emotionally, even when the Bulls lost,
Jordan made you feel like he was the best ever.
(02:37):
He was the best that night, his team just came
up short. There were moments where Lebron shot away from
taking the big shots. We watched him grow up right
in front of us. He didn't go to college, so
we saw him from right out of high school.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And those are facts other than Jordan made you feel
like that to me, that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's one in the same. It's one in the same.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Does not feel have nothing to do with it. I
might feel like I'm a hard for graduate, I'm not.
I mean, I might feel like I'm an NBA x
NBA player. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's about the facts, but that that's not even what
I wanted to get into. I mean, well, who's denying
the facts.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You're denying emotional attachment, which is the most.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Every Scott feelings that could have can be completely different.
I can't worry about feelings. When I gotta make my
my twelve man roster out of fifty players, I gotta
crazy people.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I'm able to do it. I'm sorry, Emotionally, I feel bad.
I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I gotta cut because because sports is emotion like. That's
why when you go to a live sport going crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's when when you hating based on emotion. No, but okay,
why don't we just pick the best team we think
is the best?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
See I used to do that in college football, and
it was kind of a mess.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You're trying to isolate one point and make it big
picture when I'm saying it's a part of the entirety
of me believing that someone is the best, greater than
all of the others. I'm saying, for me, it's more
than just analytics stats.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It includes those somebody saying you're trying to say it's
it's a compliment or accomplishments. It's the eye test, it's
it's so many things.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It's weaknesses and strengths.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I get all that, but those things are measurable, objectively
measurable for the most part, For the most part, your feelings, Sean,
you could have a feeling that no one else on
earth has, but that you can't. I can't say a
person is definitively the best player just based on feelings.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And it's a debate.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I mean, there is list of the actual best players
in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But I tell you what, when I'm voting All NBA team,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I can't go by you know what, I feel, but
can feel better when I watch.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Definitely an NBA player. I'm not diminishing his eliteness.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm saying that you have to make decisions. When you
pick an All NBA team, you have to make a decision.
I think he's NBA based on subjectivity, and he's.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
An All NBA player, I think subjectively, objectively statistically, there's
an argument on who is currently the greatest player in
the game of basketball as we sit here about to
be August of twenty twenty four. That's all I'm simply saying.
I don't think it's cut and dry, black and white
that automatically it's joking.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, look, of course, that's fine. I mean this is
a subjective thing.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
We're no. You say it like it's law.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, I mean I think he's clearly the best, but
you yes, I would like you to because I say this,
First of all, can we get Steph at thirty five,
the Aaron Fox, Jason Tatum out of it?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
First of all, if it's no one, that that means
it's wide open and it's a bunch of guys that
are coming it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Not necessarily to me, it could be no one and
it be between three guys listen.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Kansas City drafted Patrick Mahomes. Alex Smith was a starting
quarterback in Kansas City. Tom Brady was the unquestioned goat
at the quarterback position currently and as far as we
could foresee into the future. Then all of a sudden,
Alex Smith, I don't know if he got hurt, if
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they just played.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They knew they were going to play.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Mahomes comes in and now look what we sit. But
nobody understand what that has to do, because nobody thought
Mahomes was the next coming. He was the one that
was going to follow Brady and.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Be on the way in. So I'm saying, you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Just kick dearon Fox and some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And I don't want to make this anti dear.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Alexander.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You are putting the air of Fox in the ring up.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You are putting the air No you brought him up.
He should He does not belong in his house.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Down the list after shake, Alexander gamed about four dudes
and he was one of them.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And come on, I mean, you can't Shae.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't think Shane's the best player in the world,
but you can put you.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Can say Shaye.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And I'm not gonna be like what the airon Fox.
I'm sorry, he's not in the best player in the
world discussion, and don't put him in.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The same class as Patrick Mahomes. I mean Mahomes through.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Fifty touchdowns and what fifty two hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Is first season playing the contact. Why we start saying, man,
this dude. One day.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
My teague to go was there was not that premeditated
a annointing of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
He not in basketball anointed. Jokichi is the second round job.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I didn't say anybody did. I didn't say anybody anointed Brady.
He got it from the mud to six round draft pick.
Maybe a bledshoe runs out of bounds. We don't even
know Tom Brady. I don't know things happen. What I'm
saying is, I don't think right now Jokick is undeniably
the best basketball player in the world.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not saying he's not one of the top three
or five.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
But you can't give me twenty guys. It's wide open.
It ain't wide open. It is Yoki.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I think we're.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Gonna reconvene at the All Star break, and I bet
there are some names in this conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Hold on Yokic, MB or Yannis Luca.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
The only reason Yannis isn't the first name out of
my mouth because he's coming off of being injured.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, I don't think that should take him out. He's
still in his prime, he's still gonna be you know,
he's good. But I think it's between Jokic, Luca and
Yannis that those are only three guys. I think if
you want to throw shade, you can throw in.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
There's a baller by the way, the Clippers, great job,
But I don't there's.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Not twenty names. So we gonna we're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
We're gonna talk about comparisons before the end of the show.
I'm not not on Look, I don't even want to
say it because I don't want to come off like
anti this player.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But no, I'm not gonna agree with you.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I bet there are a lot of people riding around,
a lot of people at work thinking listening to the
odd couple that agree with me that Joker is not
the unquestioned best player in the world.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's just not that's fine. I mean, I'm just saying
that's the answer if there is none.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I mean, come on, I don't think there is. I
think you make an argument for quite a few guys
that are.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We can always say there is none, because I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That's not true. No, it is Kobe.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
When was Kobe the best player in the world.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That second run of championships with buying them and Goosol. No,
I thought it was Kobe at that point because Lebron
had won one yet.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Nie still, I think Lebron was not Lebron.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Lebron still in Cleveland. He had issues at that time.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
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Are knowing we keep it l like a couple.
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Speaker 1 (12:03):
Tyre Biding should be in about ten minutes, Sean, We've
got Cuffs, the legend friend of the show and the
host of the Some Dude Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He will be coming on to discuss his.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Opinion that the twoenty twelve team USA.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I mean, every team's not the Dream Team, all right,
but twenty twelve Kevin Durant, Lebron Westbrook, Tyson Chandler, Darren Williams,
Andre Goodala, Kobe so on and so forth, James harden
Or Carmelo, Anthony, Anthony Davis, they won gold and he
thinks they were better than the original Dream Team, Skip Bayless,
(12:48):
Keishawn Johnson, Paul Pierce. They were discussing this year's squad
twenty twenty four versus the Dream Team of ninety two,
which one was better?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
They did that on Undispute.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We at first things first, myself and my co hosts
Nick Wright and Kevin Wilds, we did a draft of
players from those two teams, and who would you take?
And so it seems and there are other people out
there that have compared.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Them, but it seems fashionable all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To compare this team in twenty twenty four to the
original Dream Team, which has generally been viewed as the
best team ever assembled. How would you compare these two teams?
And I've said, and I've talked with Rob g I'm
fine doing it today.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's a great conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
But let them win gold first, win goal first, which
I think they will.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But how do you compare this team to ninety two?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It's so tough, Chris, because we ever really saw the
best of the ninety two team. I mean, they were
so much better than the rest of the world at
that time in the game of basketball, right you know,
everything was a blowout. I mean, so they were so dominant.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
They won by about forty GC with their average victory
it was forty one or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean, how and it's not like they had bad players.
That Croatia team had what Drazen Petrovic and Coucoke and
a couple other NBA guys, So they played like a
team or two, you know, they.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Four points was the average margin, right.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like, I mean, no one's been that dominant off the
top of my head.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Since then, well, we were for the next few year,
like ninety six, they routed them. I mean we two
thousand was the first time it was close. Lithuania gave
us a battle, and because we were trading two pointers
for threes, they were in a bunch of threes and
we were playing big inside out. And then of course,
(14:57):
for a few years we started losing in the feet competitions.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And then in four we actually lost the you.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Know, the the NBA or Team USA lost and then
that's when the Redeemed Team came back in O eight
and we've won ever since.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I just mean, it's hard for me to ever say
that anybody would have beaten the Dream Team competitive, yeah,
but I mean they didn't have any weakness.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
They had the two.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Best distributors of the basketball we've ever seen, Magic Johnson,
John Stockton running the point, I really had a lead shooting,
Chris Mullin, Larry Bird. I mean, they had athleticism and
all time greats on the wing, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan,
Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I mean, they had the best.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Under six foot six four we've ever seen, Charles Barkley,
Caul Malone maybe the best offensive back to the basket
game of any power forward in the history him Duncan probably
in that conversation. And then you got David Robinson and
Patrick ew and Donna Ankorn. I mean, they're big, they're athletic,
they got hot basketball at Q. They played great defense,
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Like people don't understand what it was like just trying
to get the ball cross half court when Jordan and
Pippin really were like, Okay, we really go d up.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That was a big part of their dynasty. Yeah, it
was their their wing defense.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Here's the one thing, the one thing, the one thing
that the modern NBA team or the modern Olympic teams
don't really have that I think would be an issue.
They don't have the same level of rim protection. No,
that that that that dream team had.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Although this team within bid and Anthony Davis's he's not
he's not really good protection action.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I mean I would say.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
He's he's BAM's a better defender, but a good defender.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Could you imagine Bam trying to guard Barkley.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, I think Barkley too strong form, but Bam Bam
obviously would have a height events.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We talk about I agree, like when the way you
laid it out for that dream team was like, oh
my gosh. But here's what we have to remember. Larry
Bird was the shell of himsel.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
His back was hurting.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
He was thirty five years old.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Back was jack that he wasn't practicing, and so he
didn't even play that much in the game.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
So we're not talking about vintage Larry.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But when he did play, he was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But I mean he just went out there and shot
open jumpers, you know. I mean that the competition was
so thin. But Magic Johnson Magic was Remember he had
retired a year earlier because of HIV, and so he
was a year removed from competitive NBA basketball, so he
wasn't at his best.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
How Lebron and ad won that title in the bubble,
they got the refresh.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, but it wasn't a whole season.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Like I would argue that Magic was not at his best,
even though you couldn't tell in those games because it
was so easy.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But I mean, a year removed, he probably wasn't at
his best. I think that's a safe assumption.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So though I think that's the thing that you're not
talking about all these guys in their prime.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So that's one of the things. But what I do give.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Them as an advantage too, And you mentioned some good ones.
Back then NBA players played five man basketball. It wasn't
all high pick and roll, spread the floor and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It was five man.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
We're moving, I'm moving without the ball, We're setting screens
and things like that. And that's a more effective way
to play basketball. That's why Golden State had their dynasty.
They weren't I mean without Durant, they weren't like the wildest,
more wildly talented, you know, but they moved around and
that was unique San Antonio when they ran through the
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heat in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Duncan was past his prime.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But they moved the ball and they moved their players
around and stuff like that. And so today's NBA players
aren't as effective at doing that. And so I think
you cannot write off the Dream Team, even with the
deficiencies I mentioned, because Bird and Magic.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Were at the end of their career. They were playing
with ten because Layton and Bird really don't count. But
Magic played really good in those Olympics.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I mean, but again, I mean who didn't, But everybody
played well. I I don't think he was at his best.
But Magic Johnson also, Sean is the best player ever
at developing chemistry and incorporating teammates.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And he's a matchup nightmare for this current team on him,
who's gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I mean you whether it's Tatum or try to put
Tatum on him?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If you think Colonel Tatum in the game now, I I.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Mean but that, I mean that's really who it might
come down.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Like to me?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Was their lack of size. I don't think team Yeah,
I don't know this one compared to this team.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, you got MB. MB would bang with ewing and.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And I can't run the floor with David Robins, David
Robinson running MB right back to the bench the way
those boys got up and down the court and with
Magic and stocked and discribed in that ball with Loan
and just to play the game harder. More for the
issue for guys like MB.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's hard to write off the Dream Team because of
how smart they played.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And I just think players place they're better.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They were better at team basketball back then than they
are now.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
And I couldn't make either team a problem, huh. Jo
couldn't make either team.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
First of all, he couldn't make the team. He better
than Patrick Ewitt and David Robinson.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
He doesn't fit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
He would have fit, he'd have been in burdsed by.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
All right, if we got cuffed the Legend around the corner,
we'll get into this more with him.
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Speaker 1 (21:29):
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Our man cuffs the Legend.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
What's up, Bro Fellas Man? Happy to be back, man,
I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Man.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Always a good time with y'all. Man. Sean, my god,
what's up?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Brother man?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Bless us man to finally being able to get on
the platform and talk a little ball with you.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Man. We've been following each other on.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
The platform formerly known as Twitter.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I guess I can call him. I'm not for quite
a time.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, Cuffs, you tweeted at me a couple I was yesterday,
a couple days ago. Yeah, my guess is you just
wanted to get on the show because the subs in
the tweet, the substance in the tweet is a little crazy.
I mean, so I'm mad at you because we needed
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to get you on anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
But let me read it. Let me read it so
the audience can laugh at you. Don't take it personal.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The twenty twelve Team USA would beat nineteen ninety two
Dream Team at Chris Brusarry. So, Cuffs, just let me
let me quickly go over the roster for twenty tweets.
Please do uh Tyson Chandler and Anthony Davis are the
Biggs and Kevin Love I guess, but no, no, just
(22:57):
just stop at Chandler and Davis. They gotta match up
with you in and Robinson. I'll take you in in
David Robinson Power Forwards.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You got Kevin.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Love Prime, Kevin Love Man, Prime.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Kevin Love is getting demolished by Prime Charles Barkley or
call Malone or call Malone absolutely and then I'm not
But let me now you the rest of the name.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Kevin Durant. That's fine. Lebron great in his prime.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Russell Westbrook not really the setting for him, you gotta
admit that, but he's on there. Darren Williams was great
at that time, Andre Woodala, Kobe James, Harden, Chris Paul
and Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
That's a squad.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But why are they beating the ninety two dreams?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I think this the twenty twelve squad. First of all,
it's a lot of veribles, it's all hypothetical. Ilight have
fun with this stuff. I'm saying, a seven game series scenario,
seven games, not a one game scenario, been game series
anywhere in the world, right neutral court, whenever you have
Lebron James, the NBA's all time leading scorer, right and
(24:12):
Kevin Durant. I'm gonna stop at those two guys, that
right there alone would be the best duo we've ever
seen on the court. Versatility wise, the lives the IQ.
I feel like KD would equalize or neutralize Michael Jordan's right.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Here's the prib with KD like because I think you
could argue Magic and Kareem. Now, Kareem was at the
tail end of his prime when Magic is earlier in
his career. But Kevin Durant, I think you'll admit this,
and and Durant's great. They're all great, So I'm not
arguing against his greatness. Physical basket, physical defense bothers him
(24:54):
like against really really no, I'm gonna tell Boston, and
Kyrie was on the floor with him, so it ain't
like you didn't have any other players that the defense
had to worry about.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They got physical.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
And when he was in Brooklyn with him in that
sweep in the playoffs, Kevin Durant was struggling to get
the ball up court.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He was turning the ball over uncharacteristically.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He shot in the thirty percents, you know something, in
thirty percent, under forty percent. Jason Tatum out played him,
and they all they did was get physical, kind of
like nineties basketball. So this notion Durant would have been
a superstar back then, Don't get me wrong, but this
notion that, oh my gosh, they wouldn't have known what
to do with Durant.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Naw, they would have got physical with Durant because you.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Were allowed to back then, and he still would have
been great, but he wouldn't have been any better than
he is.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Right now, Let's put the puzzle together. Let's put the
puzzle together, Like the advisers, who is your five you're
putting out there against not only the twenty twelve teams,
but even the team now on like the twenty twenty four,
this team, we watch it right now. I agree with y'all.
They have to get it done. They can't show. They
got to go out here and get the gold medal
first and foremost. Look at the crows they're playing against.
(26:13):
They're not playing against Angola in ninety two, who were
happy to be there signing autographs. They were.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
They were playing against South Sudan that just started playing basket, just.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Their first bons out there. There's prone a couple of dudes.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
They had a cup of coffee in NBA.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Let me arrest one player. Basketball is about matchups. Who's
your starting five on that twelve team? If you're playing
the dream team, who's your who's your starting five?
Speaker 7 (26:40):
I'm playing Lebron James at point guard, and then I'm
putting Kobe at the two, Kati at the three. We're
going Carmelo Anthony. I don't know why, all of a sudden,
everybody acting like camel Carmelo is not a top ten
all time leading scorer, win the top three cure scorers ever,
one of the greatest tops three.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Purest scores ever. I mean, look, mellows great. I don't
want to disparage Melo, but you tripped here.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Currently that's the current players, Chris, the.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Top three pure scores ever.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
I mean, stop that top five.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, oh my god, Mello is great again.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I don't want to disparage mellow but you're going too far.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I mean, come on, we're talking international fever basketball rules.
We talked with.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Memos, so you not talking about you're talking about I'm
talking about NB of NBA players.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm talking about NBA career.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, so you're saying he's one of the top five
pure scores ever.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Mello, mellow Fish, he didn't even shoot forty five for
his career. He was hot. Value of Chris. You know
that he was a hot that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's the problem if you high volume and you don't
ain't efficient, that's a negative.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
So here's my five, Bron and Mellow and I'm gonna
go with Crime Blake Griffin at my five.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
So, so Watson, here's what I feel like, and the
rules depend the matter to what rules we're playing.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
We're playing ninety two.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Looking at so, so when Blake was on that team,
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I think it was Tyson Chanler. I think it was
Tyson Chanler and somebody else.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Blake wasn't on that team.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And he was on the team.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Man, I'm look up the roster.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
ROGI look up the roster that works in my favor
even more, Chris, because they're gonna counter with the Admiral
Paul Malone, Pippin Jordan Magic and Nope, Malone might score
one hundred and twenty points.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
That no, no, no, Malone is Malone is getting space.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Here's my I'm putting Barkley in over Mill.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Either way, Barkley and Malone would get played off the
floor with Durant and Braun and them. That's spacing, I'm
telling you. And Blake was.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Blake was replaced by Anthony Davis because of injury. Here's
here's this to me, cuffs, this should have been your argument.
Bird was a shell of himself. He never played again.
Right after that, he wasn't practicing, didn't play much, and
that Magic was a year removed from the NBA. Magic
was a year removed from the NBA. But here's the problem,
(29:24):
and you might you might disagree with this. Cuffs players
back then played team basketball better than they do today.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Most players grow up playing and playing the NBA. Most
one or two man basketball. I soo, they're great with
the ball in their hands, not so great without it
in their hands, or high pick and roll, spread the floor.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's one or two man ball.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Back then, they played five man basketball, including Jordan, like
all of them played five man basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's a more effective way of player than.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Hey. Listen, Chris, I agree with I'm like my pop
says it all the time. They shoot too many threes. Now,
that's the one thing I will agree with y'all with.
But let's be let's be real here. Jory was playing
in the triangle offense, but outside of that, they were
playing bodybuilder basketball. Those Nicks, they was clogging up the paint.
You've seen those Pacer teams with the Davis brothers.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Man, Oh, they were.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
More physical, for sure, they were physical.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
But those Nick games, those Bulls Knick series, go look
at the film. It was clogged up paint.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
No, the paint.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, I agree, but I'm saying the offenses weren't built
around one player.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, there was very little high pick and rolls. At
that point.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Isaiah Thomas said, you were a very little high pick
and roll. It was more five man offenses. And the
reason Golden State, even with ale Kevin Durant, could win
two championships was because they played five man basketball. And
now a lot of players are like, no, my gosh,
what is this?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
But it's better. I mean, I like the three because
obviously three is worth more than two. But I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
One of the reasons these under talented international teams are
able to play with US is because they get everybody involved.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, but but they're still they're pros that aren't stars
in the NBA. For the most part.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
They go over there, they got a bunch of role
players and maybe one star, and they pushing us because.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
They play more, they.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Get more backdoor cuts, they do more screening. It's more
five man basketball.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Let me say this though, a lot of times you
see guys in the international stage, they play with more confidence. Right,
He's like, dang, look at Evan Fourgnie or look at
Dennis Shrewder, or look at Franz Wagner. Right, you see
these guys. But the fans also have to understand in
their NBA role, they're a role player on that team.
These guys. If you unlock them and give them the
green light and give them more shots, you will see
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guys be able.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, Vagner's been unlocked. Wagner's unlocked, and he's mean, I mean,
you dealing like, oh, what's it? If fourty eight had
his opportunities to be unlocked, he just didn't do much
with it.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
But then it Shrewder looks great in international ball.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I thought Shooter was gonna develop into a star, like
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
If Bron would have got off the way Shrewd would
have been, Oh, come on, don't do it.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
I knew I knew it. I knew it now, man,
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I'm just joking you this because we've been debating this.
Who is the best player in the world right now,
right now today, I'm Lebron at thirty.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Two now, right now, I mean we're watching these Olympics
right now, and when I'm watching these international games, Yokich
is over there right He's supposed to be the best
player in the world. I'm gonna be real with you.
Lebron has looked like the best player in the world,
and his teammates agree.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You cough, Lebron, you just fell a whole hour and
a half of Radiote.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Ain't the authority on this. I'm just humor.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, no, no, I'm just but hold on cause you know,
and I'm not just talking about in a sixth game
Olympic tournament, Lebron has looked like the best player in
Team USA, in the world. That's fine right now, but
i'm you can he can do that or over six
games where you're playing twenty five minutes a night, you
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got great help, so you don't your team doesn't lose
the lead when you go to the bench, and like
it's different, you're getting.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Rest, no back to backs.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
He ain't the best player in the NBA season anymore.
And that's no slight on Lebron. You know, I love Lebron,
but he got Anthony Davis and they're not a huge,
you know, top tier contender.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
Right now, you can't say, huh, they're the best duo
in the world. They're showing you everybody that right now. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I mean, I look, I know you're gonna say Lebron
is the best that every single thing.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
He ain't the best player in the world right now.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Okay, this tournament is not the measure of the best
player in the world. Its first He's not. But I
would say is the overall best player in the world?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Is Sean anything to say? Yeahs.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
The discussion was this, I don't think there is a
consensus number one player in the world right now.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I think it's up for grabs some Knight, some nice John.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Even though I think his game is ugly aesthetically like, right,
he don't.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Can he be the best because he doesn't have a
He obviously not a consistent jump shooter, and it's that
would be fine if you went in the post and
was beasting mugs as a seventh but he doesn't do
that either, so you know he doesn't have a go
to shot.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So couse great.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
I'm gonna tell you who was not that guy real quick, dear.
I call him the camera Roon cry Baby, the double Agent,
Joe l EMBII.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Oh, y'all, we.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
We ain't mad at because MB. I think MB is
kind of being exposed in these Olympics.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
My course, I agree with you on that you got
to get in shape. That's my thing. With him. His
game is nice, he's skilled. You gotta get in shape.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
You're talking about embid. Yeah, he's always hurt Kansas. He
got a lazy game, you know what I'm saying. Lazy game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And he looks in the way right now, like they
don't even need him. I mean, he looks like he's
in the way. So he touts the legend BA Bam
is balling. Great stuff, man. Check him out on the
Some Dude Show podcast. Cuffs the legend great stuff as always.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
We will talk soon.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Man, anytime.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Y'all right, three point shoot on the team.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
We're gonna have to talk about m b we we
you know mb I like him, all right, so we
get into that next. Keep it lying a A Couple
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Let's talk about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Raining MVP.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
He now has two youngest player ever to win MVPs
but also the only player to win multiple MVPs who
has never won a championship. And now he is the
only the third highest winning percentage in the regular season ever.
But of the six guys above seventy percent, he's the
(37:21):
only one that hasn't won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
In fact, all of them have won at least two.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So how much pressure do you feel is on Lamar
Jackson to win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Obviously he's got to do it eventually, but this year.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I think regarding his legacy and how he'll be remembered
when he stops playing the game, there's a mitch pressure.
As a professional athlete. The one thing that you want
to do is you want to be idolized after you're done.
You want to be able to walk back in said stadium,
in said city, on said college campus, whatever it is,
(37:59):
and people be like man Bruce sa was a hell
of a player. Like we remember him, We remember where
we were exactly when you did this, that and the other.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Now I'm just saying, right, I think the issue with
him now is.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I've heard more about off the field marketing, branding type
things this off season I have about him on the field.
Then when the start of training camp he's got little
nick and nagging injuries, can't participate. It'll be interesting. But
I mean, he's an elite talent. He went to a
great organization, has done everything but win a championship. I
(38:37):
can understand how when you look at the competition in
that conference, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, justin Herbert, Joe Burrow,
I mean, all these young guys could get a little antsy.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Now I'm with you, Hi, Look, he's a Hall of
Famer already, just by virtue of THEO the two MVPs.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You thing you don't think, Yeah, I think so, the
two MVPs, the best running quarterback ever, the high win percentage.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I think he is Statistically he might be the best
running quarterback ever. I don't think I view him as
the best running You think it's better Michael Vick. Now
I mean Vic was finished before he went to jail. Absolutely,
Vic was when he got back. But well, I think
his best season ever. Now this wasn't so running.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, that first year in Philly you would agree with that, right, Yeah,
it's a little different level with that year with Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I mean Vic's the best running quarterback we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, I mean statistically is obviously Lamar's running far more yards.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
If you want to argue Vic, I get that. But yeah,
I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But to your point, I mean, he's been so successful
in the regular season that if he doesn't win a
Super Bowl, I think he will.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
It will be Yeah, it'll be he It's to guarantee
the Hall of Fame. It's too many big names. It's
too many big names around him and one you unanimous. Yeah, man,
what if Josh Allen goes what if Allen u Borough
goes on a run.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well, they can both go into Hall of Fame. They
are in fact, it's my opinion. All we got an
hour left. Keep it like ay, A couple
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