September 11, 2024 • 35 mins
Chris and Rob discuss whether it’s even reasonable for football fans to say anybody other than Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL right now and tell us if the WNBA commissioner is right when she insinuates that all publicity is good publicity when it comes to the Caitlin Clark-Angel Reese rivalry.
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
And Chris, we should just take a quick pause for
nine to eleven. Yeah we see uh at the Yankees
game there. Yeah, they're wearing police uh and fireman hats,
you know, New York City in honor of the first
responders for nine to eleven and uh, man, I just
(01:15):
cannot get over what that day was like. You know,
it just was were you and you weren't. I was
in Detroit, Chris, I was doing a morning show in
Detroit and I had, uh come home or something. I
was sleep and I can't remember, and uh, my wife
was calling to wake me up, you know, because she
(01:36):
was already at work or something.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I must have been you were still married.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, that's how long. It was a long time ago,
my god. And uh, I was watching when the second
plane hit the first one. I was like, that's just
so weird. There's no way I've flown into New York
a million times, because I was like, I don't remember
the plane ever being that closed. Yeah, like you know,
I was like, I know the pattern in the Laguardi.
That just doesn't even seem right. And I was watching
(02:01):
when the second plane hit.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, I had Similarly, I was in New York or
New Jersey. I was at my home in New Jersey,
if I remember correctly, I was about I was working
for the New York Times, and I was about to
head into the city, New York City to cover a
press conference for Roy Jones Junior. And I mean I
(02:25):
was probably fifteen minutes from leaving, and we had the
television on in my bedroom and we saw, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You saw the first one.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I don't remember if I saw the first one or
I definitely saw the second one. I definitely saw the
second one.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And when you saw the second one, you were like,
oh no, this is something.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, And obviously everything was shut down, so I didn't
didn't go into the city. But it's interesting, rob because
that week, like literally a few days because it was
it a Tuesday. I feel for some rea then I
feel like it was a Tuesday. I might be wrong,
but that Saturday, my family and I and some friends
(03:07):
had taken a boat ride tour, you know, because the
friends were from out of town on the Hudson River
and you know, obviously one of the sites you see
are the Twin Towers. And so that was like three
days I think before it happened. Wow, that we saw
with our kids and everything. So yeah, it's just you know,
(03:28):
prayer still. He'll go out to all of the family
members and friends. How about the people Chris lost people
and because you know, it go time goes on for
the rest of us, obviously, but if you lost somebody
in that, you still live with that.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And it's tough.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh, I have no doubt about it. And the pictures
of people walking home to Queens and to Brooklyn they
had to walk home. Chris from Manhattan, like the epic
walk home that's on the way they could get home.
And I'll still I'll never forget the sight of that
and people covered in dust and I ate, I ate
(04:08):
on did you ever eat on Windows on the World
on top the top of the World Trade? Sound believe
so so the restaurant Chris is at the top right,
and the elevator ride is unbelievable, you know what I mean,
Like to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Was it one? Did it spin around?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Did it nod?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Just like a straight shot all the way?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Like I mean the restaurant, you know how sometimes Yeah,
the restaurants that revolved.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't think. I don't think Windows on the World
did not that I remember, But I just remember eating there,
thinking about and then you look down the city and
see how small it is from there, like my god.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah. So yeah, that's tough day. But anyway, we're here
to talk sports.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And Gerald McCoy, a great defensive tackle for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, played most of his career with the Buccaneers,
retired a few years ago. Now is a commentator rob
in our business, and he's good. He's been on first
Things First with us a couple of times he's good.
But he had this I guess, Rob g it was
a tweet about Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
So he was actually doing something with Kyle Van Noy.
I don't know if it was a podcast or some
kind of discussion, but his quote verbatim read, if a
person goes out and says Josh Allen is the best
quarterback in football, you can't get upset. So that graphic
was shared by a number of outlets, most specifically Yahoo Sports,
(05:32):
to which McCoy quote tweeted and tried to explain.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Himself, but it didn't really go over too well.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Here's what he said before all y'all Mahomes' minions come
trying to attack me. Chris Bussarry, I think Mahomes is
the best, but Josh Allen has all the tools and
game worth. Somebody saying that he's the best. It's not outlandish.
I don't agree, but I won't argue with anybody who
feels that way either, Rob.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I don't think it's right now.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
It's not debatable who's the best quarterback in the NFL.
I mean, Patrick Mahomes has done it statistically, He's won
two MVPs, he's got the team victory's three Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He already already I believe, is.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
The second has the second most playoff wins in the
history of football. I mean, he is off to the
best start in the history of the league. And the
difference with him and Brady, who has obviously the seven championships,
is that when Brady won his first three, now he
obviously gets major credit for him, and he was. He
(06:47):
did turn that team around, you know, rob I said
all the time. They were five and eleven the year
before he got there, with Belichick and a good quarterback
in Drew Bledsoe.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Vin started zero to two.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Bledsoe gets hurt, Brady goes in, and they just going
this tear.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
All of a sudden, they were like a top team
and ended up winning eleven games that year. And Brady
of course leads him to the Super Bowl. So he
was instrumental, but he was not an individual force as
far as statistics, as far as you know, just killing
defenses with his arm and the things that Mahomes does.
(07:27):
And so that's why I say Mahomes off to the
greatest start in the NFL history as far as the.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Career start, but I just don't think.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Look, I think Josh Allen is great, and I think
the argument for who's the second best quarterback in the
league Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, take your choice,
maybe soon to be CJ. Stroud is in that discussion,
but the best to me Rob I.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And Gerald said he does.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Think Mahomes the best, but I think he's the best
so clearly, and his accolades are so far ahead of
everyone else at this stage in the league that's still
in the league right now that I.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Don't even think it's like can be debated.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I just I just think it's a lame to me,
it's just a lame take from the standpoint of if
somebody else makes the case for Josh Allen, I'm not
gonna be mad at them, but my Homes is the best.
Like like, it doesn't even make any sense, Chris, Like seriously,
(08:35):
like this is this is you're playing two sides? Oh
you know somebody pushed back now I'm telling you this
is like.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Who do we have to stand on your stand on
your square? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We had fry a chanting change, remember that, Chris, Oh, Well,
Jordan's one A and Lebron's one B and we're like, no,
what was he did?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He say Jordan was the goat? Is that what he know?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
That Lebron was Lebron. That's what I'm bad, right, he
said Lebron was. No. We we challenged it, right, And
then he said, well I didn't and he folded like
a cheap tin.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
He did, oh, one A and one B, and we're like,
we don't. We don't do that here. We don't play
that on the odd couple. There's no one A on
one B.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Make a pick? Make a pick?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Absolutely rock.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Can I say this?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You'n these take streets. If you're gonna be in these
opinion streets, then it's.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Tough out here. Can I say this?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I lost it for Bill O'Reilly last night? You know
what he said, No, nobody wanted a debate? Is that
that is that Chris? Bill O'Reilly like, like, we're bringing
you on to say that nobody won? What kind of
take is that?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Chris wasn't really a tie? Well that's what bill o
Bill O'Reilly said, nobody won. I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
He said, Oh my god, I couldn't believe of all
people Chris who had.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Opinions because he was a big opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But that's my point on bringing up that is the
point of this is that what would pick a side?
If you really believe Mahomes is the best, then I'm
not entertaining Josh Allen, how are you up town, I'm
entertaining that.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And and correction, I said Mahomes had the second most
playoff wins. Ever, Brady's number one way out there with
thirty five. Montana second ride with sixteen. Mahomes has fifteen.
He's third, but he's ahead of Peyton Manning, Steve Young,
John L.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Wait Terry Bradshaw fourth.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
With Let me ask you this, Chris, let me ask
you this real quick. This is off the topic, real quick.
We just gave up number or whatever. You just gave
the Montana number of Mahomes. Right, Just say Mahomes plays
eight more years, doesn't win again.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Just let's just.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Did he pass Montana?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I feel like he's already passed on my list, I
got Brady Mahomes, Montana, Peyton Manning. But yeah, so to me, yes,
now you know, look, I'm i just built in whether
I consciously am saying this or not, Rob built into
(11:17):
a take when a guy has played what six seasons
and has three Super Bowls already, is you know, it's
kind of like you're you are putting a little projection
in there with Russell Wilson. When I used to say
when he was in Seattle, Rob, remember we talked about it,
like when he started making noise about wanting to be traded,
(11:39):
and I constantly referred to him as a future Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm not sure now.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know, because it was like he's he's clearly on track.
But here's the other thing. And so that would be
interesting if he does it. If he goes the next
eight years it doesn't win, then you know, I mean,
I might have to rethink it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I mean, and the only reason I say that is
and it's not anything against Mahomes. Tom Brady went nine years, Chris,
he had a second career when he started winning again.
If Tom Brady would have ended his career Chris, after
those nine years of winning, there's no go conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He wouldn't be Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's like with just those three super Bowl early No,
those three early right.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, no, no way, no way, No.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I didn't want to get off try, Yeah, you would
just start rethinking it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But I do you agree?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I mean, in Gerald, it is what he said, Mahomes
is the best. Yes, if somebody wants to Seawan, say
Sean King, and I don't think Sean would argue this.
But if Sean King comes on and it's like I
think Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the league. Now,
he can make his argument and we can firmly disagree,
but his opinion is his opinion, and I don't get that,
(12:51):
you know what I'm saying, Like he can have his opinion,
I would think it's silly, just like I thought Greg
Jenny's saying Daniel Jones was the top ten.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Quarter back.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That was a first guest, that wasn't even coming off
that playoff win and whatever all that. We were like, no, dude,
we've watched this guy and there's no way's top ten quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Do you think, though, would you agree with me that?
Right now?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Just just objectively, it's not debatable that Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No, coming off of last year winning the back to back,
it would be hard to make an honest case for
anybody right else, that's it, especially coming off of that,
right all right, It's.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
The Couple Chris around eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox You'll turn the Way in. Is there an argument
for Josh Allen or anybody, to be honest, to be
the best quarterback in the league besides Patrick Mahomes. Is
it arguable that Josh Allen or another quarterback is actually
(13:59):
better playing right now?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Is better than Patrick Mahomes?
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nine on Fox. Can you argue that any other quarterback
in the NFL right now is better than Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Let's kick it off with y'all, sir in Detroit. You're
on the Odd Couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Hey guys, how's it going. I just wanted to say
I want to miss to you Chris a lot on
this show. I've been watching this show or listening to
it for the last like four years almost. I've listened
to all the older episodes on YouTube as well. But yeah,
that's the luck Rob going forward with the Odd Couple
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Thank you, Thank you, Yosser. We appreciate that, no doubt about.
It's been a fantastic six year run for me and Chris.
That's a long time in radio, and we're happy with
what we did here.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Definitely, sure, for sure, I think this is like one
of those shows that's groundbreaking. But I wanted to add
that I think there's no debate, honestly with what quarterback
is better. I think with mahomes playoff success the last
two years and the fact that even somebody like Joe Burrow,
who I used to think was better than Mahomes but
I don't anymore, just the fact that he's always injured
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and inconsistent. Same thing with Josh Allen as well. I
just don't think there's another argument for somebody else right now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
See, that's it, And that's what I'm saying, Chris, coming
off of what Mahomes did again winning a second in
a row, it's just hard to make that argument. And
two years ago after he lost to Joe Burrow in
Kansas City, and you know what I mean, Chris, And
now there was definitely an argument.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
No, I just hardly only had one Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Right It's hard now to really make that argument. Andre
in Massachusetts, You're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
How you doing? Thanks for taking the call, listen. I
think the argument, frankly, can be made that people are
creeping up on Patrick Mahomes. What hasn't happened is he's
got the TV twelve method master, and he seems to
always get over the hump at the last yard, you know,
the last second. He has the championships. But I do
think that Lamar, excuse me, Lamar Jackson is right there. Frankly,
(17:29):
Josh Allen at number two concerns me because he hasn't
done it in prime time. Okay, he's got all the reguard.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Well, Jolo, Josh, Josh Andre and you know I love Lamar,
but Josh has been had better playoff games than Lamar.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's not even debatable.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Lamar broke through to the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Let Jo has been to the AFC Championship game, but
Lamar didn't play a particularly good game. Josh has had
historically great game. He hasn't been great in every playoff game,
but he has had some monster playoff games. Lamar has
yet to really have a monster playoff game.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Okay, point taking Chris and if they would have played
some defense in the last thirty seconds, then the narrative
would be different. But that's my overarching point. Patrick Mahomes,
because he has the Super Bowls, there's this gap in
people's mind that I don't believe is consistent in reality.
And the point about Joe Burrow, Yes, he hasn't been
healthy and that's the only thing that's going to be
holding him back. But we did see him go toe
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to toe with Mahomes and get the job done. And
he does have a good record against Mahomes, So what's
holding him back? I EA Kawhi Leonard is can he
stay healthy? But when when they go toe to toe,
Joe Burrow shows that he's human and he can be
and he can't be beat. And by the way, if
we didn't have that crazy off defensive penalty against the
against the Eagles, we might have saw something different. But
(18:44):
that's not off. You know. There to the victor goes
to spoils. So Mahomes is the king. But this next
tier of Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Yes, Josh Allen and
watch out for CJ. Strouds. They're coming up his heels.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Josh Allen has no MVPs Joe Burrow has no MVPs obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
CJ's just in his second year.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Like Labar's got the MVPs, but no postseason hard where
the accolades.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And again, Mahomes is young too. I get it.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He hasn't had you know, like last year he wasn't
didn't have a great season, No anybody.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You could if you're even if you're a Mahomes fan,
if you if you don't acknowledge that last year wasn't
a Mahomes year.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It just wasn't pretty much even acknowledged.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Sonny through six fourteen interceptions, Yep, that ain't fun. He
was never throwing that many interceptions, Chrisy. He wasn't that guy.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
No, So I do think that's why. And we'll see
if he gets it done. But he wants to really
have one of those, you know, one of those years
where he throws forty plus tds and you know, over
five thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We'll see if he can do it.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
But Rob G, you hop on in here, is there
an argument for another quarterback over Mahome?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Rob G said Gardner.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Minshew, you know, fan, No, you know what's funny is
I've made the comment and I think Rob has heard
me say it that I agree Tom Brady's the greatest
quarterback of all time. But to me, the best quarterback
I've ever seen is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
But so so here's the thing though with Patrick Mahomes
is he is legitimately right now the greatest in terms
of wins and accolades and MVP Super Bowls. He's also
the best based on any metric you want since he's
been in the league. He has all the passing yard numbers,
all the touchdowns. His down year last year is a
Pro Bowl year for most guys. So I don't see
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how you can make any legitimate argument that says anybody
other than him is the best guy right now.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well but that but that's the whole reason why Jerald
McCoy's take was just just saying right, they're like like,
it didn't make any sense to me because because he's
saying no, after the pushback or the onions came out,
then he's talking about all it's Patrick.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
My home for me won't.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But but if somebody made a case for Josh Allen,
you were.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Cool with it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Wow, right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Chris all Right, one of our new segments for the
new show. It's called the Parker pushback, and that would
have been a perfect example of the Parker pushbacks.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
So you were gonna take like a comment some media
person made.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Some former a some ridiculous pot Yeah, okay, that's good.
The park should have done that. Man, well, we were
saving it for the new show.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I know you probably had it in your pocket for
about seven months.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But you want to wait. That's all good?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
All right, Moro, couple coming your way. The w n
B a more popular than ever.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Rob. I'm sitting here watching the w NBA game Indiana.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Ay, but a lot of people, I'm gonna tell you this, Chris,
we're all those women who were bashing Caitlyn Clark and
all our way.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
They might be come up where on it, Chris, We
will get to it. Be first, we weren't passioned.
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Speaker 2 (22:17):
Rogie, there's some stuff going on, so kind of summarize
the latest controversy. I guess there's a lot going on.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
WNBA Commissioner Kathy Engelberg was on CNBC for whatever reason,
doing an interview on their panel.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Talking about the corporations that lose fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I'm sorry and just.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Take a listen to this exchange between her and the reporter.
This is just facts, I'm saying, just facts focused on
the discourse social media wise, at least on the Kaitlin
Clark Angel Reese rivalry.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
Take listen that question, which raises some sensitivities of rivalries
between players, in the case of Angel Reese, who's just
had to shut it down because of a risk, in
Caitlin Clark, who's continuing to play rivalry that goes back
to their college days, presumably where I guess some trash
talking entered in.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But now it seems on some social.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Media channels to have taken a darker turn, a more
menacing turn, where race has been introduced into the conversation,
where sexuality is sometimes introduced into the conversation. How do
you try and stay ahead of that, try and tamp
it down or act as a league when two of
(23:34):
your most visible players are involved, not personally, it would seem,
but their fan bases are involved in saying some very
uncharitable things, well, Welle.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
Thing that's great about the league right now, we do
sit at this intersection of culture and sport and fashion
and music. Like the WNBA players are really looked at
now as kind of cultural icons. True, and when you
have that, you have a lot of attention on you.
There's no more apathy. Everybody cares. It is a little
that bird magic moment if you recall from nineteen seventy
nine when those two rookies came in from a big
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college rivalry, one white, one black, and so we have
that moment with these two. But the one thing I
know about sports, you need rivalry. That's what makes people watch.
They want to watch games of consequence between rivals. They
don't want everybody being nice to one another. So social
media is different today than it was in nineteen seventy
nine when it didn't exist. But you know, I always
tell the players, you know I was told a long
(24:27):
time ago. If someone's typing something in and you wouldn't
ask their advice, ignore it. So it's it's a balance,
but certainly from a marketing dollars, but corporate partners are
stepping up to endorse these players much much more so
than they were five years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Well was this ABC Dudes Nightline or CNBC? I mean
this was, like Chris, this was he had a very
involved or provoking question that you wouldn't expect to hear
on a business channel, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, No, I thought it was a good question. Yeah,
and you heard her answer. Well, we'll get into We
want to have a little time to unpack this, Rob,
So we'll go to our break right now, and then
you and I can talk about her answer.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And there's more controversy coming.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Like the Players of Association and players.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Bothered by So we'll get to that around the break.
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Speaker 1 (25:35):
Huh hey is Chris are you there?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Could be all right? We were talking, Rob.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
We heard the commissioner of the w n B a
answer the question about kind of the ugly turn that
the Caitlin Clark Angel Reese debate. Rivalry took among fans
on social media and Rob G fill us in.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
The players didn't like her answers.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
That correct, correct, because as you heard in the answer,
she didn't necessarily condemn that kind of conversation or that
kind of hate speech at all. She basically said, hey,
we have more attention on us than ever people care
about our league, and the marketing dollars are higher than
they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And once she could have said, Chris and and all
of that stuff that she's talking about is true, and
all she had to say was we love the attention.
The hate stuff is nothing that we want to part right,
that's all right.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
She just had to acknowledge it that the hate now
we're not and she tried to do that after that,
the hate stuff and all that, so we're not.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
We're not with that.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
So late last night she put out a tweet saying,
you know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
But by then the cats.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But here's what I would say, though, and I agree,
I totally agree with Rob. She she just should have said,
look is definitely gone too far social media. But you know,
but you know, we we you know what she said
about the people wanting to watch our game more and
things like that, she could have said that all she
(27:14):
had to do was throwing that acknowledgment. I will say
this though, I don't think her original statement was anything
close to an endorsement of that type of you know,
the negative talk like for I think for people to
take it that far.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't think you're right.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You're looking for something to complain about, Like she can
only control the player. Now, if there were players in
the league making nasty comments, racially insensitive comments and anything
about it, yeah, gender insensitive comments, yes, then she she
(27:52):
can do something about it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
If she didn't, you can call her on it or Rob.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Even if fans in the arenas are doing that, like
the NBA has done it, you can cross the line.
They'll kick you out of the arena. They may suspend
you for life from that arena. That's what she can control.
She can't control some people on social media what they tweet.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So all she had to do, like Rob said, acknowledge
that that's.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We're not in the bad.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
We don't promote that, we don't endorse that. In fact,
we object to it, to it wholeheartedly. That's all she
had to say.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That's the line. If you put that out there and
then say, hey, you know the attention we're getting, all
the sponsorships and all this stuff. Trust me, three years
ago we weren't getting this kind of attention and all that.
Then you're good to go. And she just missed an
opportunity to say, you know, like, we don't endorse it.
We just don't endorse the bad stuff. That's not what
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we want. We don't want our players to be the
objects Chris or you know, racially target targeted or profiled
or vilified, racially vilified or something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Right, she should have made a statement like that.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Unfortunately, right with popularity, sometimes negatives do come with it. Yea,
And she is right, like, let's just keep it real. Right,
a year ago, forget five years ago. A year ago,
people weren't really nobody was talking about the w NBA Chris.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
We talked me, We talked about this from jump Caitlin
Clark was going to be the Halem Globe trotters and
all these people who never paid attention because she played
basketball so different from women, and the three pointers from
the logo Chris and all the other stuff that got
everybody's attention. We knew it, we talked about it, that
(29:49):
this was gonna happen. Other people were trying to downplayer
Chris and all this other stuff. Oh yeah, wait till
she gets in the league? Well was there about that?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Where are those people right?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean, she's eating the league up and show Swoops
still hanging in there, Rob g on that she's still
trying to.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Fighting the good fight. To be honest with you, she like,
what does she say?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
What what does she say?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
What is most This was three weeks in a row,
right player of the week?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
What what is what?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Shoe Swoop said, Well, she didn't do it four weeks
in a row. Host recently she was going at stephen A.
Smith over the way that he was pointing out that
she wasn't being objective about it, and then that became
a whole nother situation.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I did see that far she hadn't be an objective
objective what.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't know how she's to be objective? Like, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And I will say somebody said broadcast nobody says she's
the greatest player ever.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
No, but they had to plus Cheryl Swoops off of
broadcast because it was so blatantly obvious that she had
it out for kid.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes during the game or no, the next game.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
The next game, I believe that game and for her, Wow,
what kind of stuff was she saying? She like, if
Kayln Clark was doing anything great, she'd be silent and
she wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Why that's a good question why.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
I mean, I would get her on, but I don't
think she wants to come on a show anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, well, let's let's is it like?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
And obviously the league has been mostly African American and
there have been some phenomenal players, and like Rob said,
nobody's saying Kaitlyn Clark is the greatest. No, No, she's
played one year, nobody's saying it at all.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And the league has never gotten major attention.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So I do think some of the black players feel like, well,
we've been we built this league, and we you know,
the league wasn't getting the attention that it should have.
So maybe maybe that's why they're maybe resentful of Caitlyn
Clark and the attention she's brought. What I would say, Rob,
is that there have been great white players in the
(31:58):
w NBA, I mean Brianna Stewart and Deana Tara like
a lot, but it's much more than like the NBA.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
You know in modern Dayna, but I.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Just think, you know, with the numbers she got, Chris,
and the TV numbers and all the attention and the
sneakers and you know what I mean, and the endorsements.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
She's been and does race does her being white?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It doesn't some.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Fans, probably probably because even with the Diana Tarassi's and
the Brianna Stewarts and all that. I mean, it's still
the league is still majority black. You think of Lisa Leslie,
you think of Cheryl Swoops and all the other great
African American players who may have dominated the league, and
(32:47):
it's it's different, and again not as much with women,
but it's still somewhat unique for a.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
White girl to dominate like this.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And I think it's American play style of play too, Yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Because yeah, because like no other white player has captivated
our imaginations like this.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Her style of play is what separates her from the
Donna Tarassis and the people who did you play women basketball? Chris, Diane,
I'm sorry, what do I say?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Donna? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Sorry, I'm ella, Donna, don Ella, you know all these
all these other great white players. You're right, her style
of player is different. And look, we are in the
majority white country. The country is still sixty white, so
there are just more white people. And if they take
to her, they're gonna have more numbers. And that's gonna
(33:41):
if they really take through it, that's gonna lead to
more ratings.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It's not things like and we saw that, Chris, when uh,
you know, Larry Bird showed though, and that's.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
What I see mat looking Bird. There was also there
was a huge racial.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Element to that.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
There's no doubt about it, and and and and also Chris,
you know, like it couldn't have been any more perfect.
It really couldn't.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Bird.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
But the white guy in Boston, you know what I'm saying,
Like white guy in Boston, a showman in l a right,
like you.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Could Glamorers fancies playing yeah No, and Rob to be in.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Obviously the WNBA isn't at the level of the NBBL.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But look at this one.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
You got Angel Rees and Chicago, the black girl in Chicago.
You got Caitlyn Clark in Indiana, the white girl in
Like that's worked out.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That's interesting too.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
So I just think that that's an element of our
life in this country.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Unfortunately, and like we said, Rob, it was an element.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
With Bird and Mac remember when Bird won three straight
MVPs and I was a kid, but I also was like, man,
he won these because he's white, Like he shouldn't have
won three straight like that, and conversation and if.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
You remember, Chris, I don't know because you're you know,
five years younger than me. But they're announce what the
Celtics for CBS. Where the Boston Celtics announcers Dick Stockton
and Tommy Heinsen.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I remember they did the national game.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, but they did the Celtics too, so you know,
like Mike Breen does the Nicks or whatever, they were
the national team but CBS, Yes, that's different both. And
that was the big thing is that they would every
bounce passed by Bird, everything he did, like it was
like over the top, like he invented the bounce pass.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
No, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So Look at the end of the day, the league
is more popular, at least than it's been in years,
and that is a good thing. And you do want
to keep you know, the bad apples at Bay, but
it's also a positive to it too.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
And Chris, we should just take a quick pause for
nine to eleven. Yeah we see uh at the Yankees
game there. Yeah, they're wearing police uh and fireman hats,
you know, New York City in honor of the first
responders for nine to eleven and uh, man, I just
(01:15):
cannot get over what that day was like. You know,
it just was were you and you weren't. I was
in Detroit, Chris, I was doing a morning show in
Detroit and I had, uh come home or something. I
was sleep and I can't remember, and uh, my wife
was calling to wake me up, you know, because she
(01:36):
was already at work or something.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I must have been you were still married.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, that's how long. It was a long time ago,
my god. And uh, I was watching when the second
plane hit the first one. I was like, that's just
so weird. There's no way I've flown into New York
a million times, because I was like, I don't remember
the plane ever being that closed. Yeah, like you know,
I was like, I know the pattern in the Laguardi.
That just doesn't even seem right. And I was watching
(02:01):
when the second plane hit.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, I had Similarly, I was in New York or
New Jersey. I was at my home in New Jersey,
if I remember correctly, I was about I was working
for the New York Times, and I was about to
head into the city, New York City to cover a
press conference for Roy Jones Junior. And I mean I
(02:25):
was probably fifteen minutes from leaving, and we had the
television on in my bedroom and we saw, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You saw the first one.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I don't remember if I saw the first one or
I definitely saw the second one. I definitely saw the
second one.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And when you saw the second one, you were like,
oh no, this is something.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, And obviously everything was shut down, so I didn't
didn't go into the city. But it's interesting, rob because
that week, like literally a few days because it was
it a Tuesday. I feel for some rea then I
feel like it was a Tuesday. I might be wrong,
but that Saturday, my family and I and some friends
(03:07):
had taken a boat ride tour, you know, because the
friends were from out of town on the Hudson River
and you know, obviously one of the sites you see
are the Twin Towers. And so that was like three
days I think before it happened. Wow, that we saw
with our kids and everything. So yeah, it's just you know,
(03:28):
prayer still. He'll go out to all of the family
members and friends. How about the people Chris lost people
and because you know, it go time goes on for
the rest of us, obviously, but if you lost somebody
in that, you still live with that.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And it's tough.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh, I have no doubt about it. And the pictures
of people walking home to Queens and to Brooklyn they
had to walk home. Chris from Manhattan, like the epic
walk home that's on the way they could get home.
And I'll still I'll never forget the sight of that
and people covered in dust and I ate, I ate
(04:08):
on did you ever eat on Windows on the World
on top the top of the World Trade? Sound believe
so so the restaurant Chris is at the top right,
and the elevator ride is unbelievable, you know what I mean,
Like to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Was it one? Did it spin around?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Did it nod?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Just like a straight shot all the way?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Like I mean the restaurant, you know how sometimes Yeah,
the restaurants that revolved.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't think. I don't think Windows on the World
did not that I remember, But I just remember eating there,
thinking about and then you look down the city and
see how small it is from there, like my god.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah. So yeah, that's tough day. But anyway, we're here
to talk sports.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And Gerald McCoy, a great defensive tackle for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, played most of his career with the Buccaneers,
retired a few years ago. Now is a commentator rob
in our business, and he's good. He's been on first
Things First with us a couple of times he's good.
But he had this I guess, Rob g it was
a tweet about Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
So he was actually doing something with Kyle Van Noy.
I don't know if it was a podcast or some
kind of discussion, but his quote verbatim read, if a
person goes out and says Josh Allen is the best
quarterback in football, you can't get upset. So that graphic
was shared by a number of outlets, most specifically Yahoo Sports,
(05:32):
to which McCoy quote tweeted and tried to explain.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Himself, but it didn't really go over too well.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Here's what he said before all y'all Mahomes' minions come
trying to attack me. Chris Bussarry, I think Mahomes is
the best, but Josh Allen has all the tools and
game worth. Somebody saying that he's the best. It's not outlandish.
I don't agree, but I won't argue with anybody who
feels that way either, Rob.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I don't think it's right now.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
It's not debatable who's the best quarterback in the NFL.
I mean, Patrick Mahomes has done it statistically, He's won
two MVPs, he's got the team victory's three Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He already already I believe, is.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
The second has the second most playoff wins in the
history of football. I mean, he is off to the
best start in the history of the league. And the
difference with him and Brady, who has obviously the seven championships,
is that when Brady won his first three, now he
obviously gets major credit for him, and he was. He
(06:47):
did turn that team around, you know, rob I said
all the time. They were five and eleven the year
before he got there, with Belichick and a good quarterback
in Drew Bledsoe.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Vin started zero to two.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Bledsoe gets hurt, Brady goes in, and they just going
this tear.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
All of a sudden, they were like a top team
and ended up winning eleven games that year. And Brady
of course leads him to the Super Bowl. So he
was instrumental, but he was not an individual force as
far as statistics, as far as you know, just killing
defenses with his arm and the things that Mahomes does.
(07:27):
And so that's why I say Mahomes off to the
greatest start in the NFL history as far as the.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Career start, but I just don't think.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Look, I think Josh Allen is great, and I think
the argument for who's the second best quarterback in the
league Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, take your choice,
maybe soon to be CJ. Stroud is in that discussion,
but the best to me Rob I.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And Gerald said he does.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Think Mahomes the best, but I think he's the best
so clearly, and his accolades are so far ahead of
everyone else at this stage in the league that's still
in the league right now that I.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Don't even think it's like can be debated.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I just I just think it's a lame to me,
it's just a lame take from the standpoint of if
somebody else makes the case for Josh Allen, I'm not
gonna be mad at them, but my Homes is the best.
Like like, it doesn't even make any sense, Chris, Like seriously,
(08:35):
like this is this is you're playing two sides? Oh
you know somebody pushed back now I'm telling you this
is like.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Who do we have to stand on your stand on
your square? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We had fry a chanting change, remember that, Chris, Oh, Well,
Jordan's one A and Lebron's one B and we're like, no,
what was he did?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He say Jordan was the goat? Is that what he know?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
That Lebron was Lebron. That's what I'm bad, right, he
said Lebron was. No. We we challenged it, right, And
then he said, well I didn't and he folded like
a cheap tin.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
He did, oh, one A and one B, and we're like,
we don't. We don't do that here. We don't play
that on the odd couple. There's no one A on
one B.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Make a pick? Make a pick?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Absolutely rock.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Can I say this?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You'n these take streets. If you're gonna be in these
opinion streets, then it's.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Tough out here. Can I say this?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I lost it for Bill O'Reilly last night? You know
what he said, No, nobody wanted a debate? Is that
that is that Chris? Bill O'Reilly like, like, we're bringing
you on to say that nobody won? What kind of
take is that?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Chris wasn't really a tie? Well that's what bill o
Bill O'Reilly said, nobody won. I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
He said, Oh my god, I couldn't believe of all
people Chris who had.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Opinions because he was a big opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But that's my point on bringing up that is the
point of this is that what would pick a side?
If you really believe Mahomes is the best, then I'm
not entertaining Josh Allen, how are you up town, I'm
entertaining that.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And and correction, I said Mahomes had the second most
playoff wins. Ever, Brady's number one way out there with
thirty five. Montana second ride with sixteen. Mahomes has fifteen.
He's third, but he's ahead of Peyton Manning, Steve Young,
John L.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Wait Terry Bradshaw fourth.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
With Let me ask you this, Chris, let me ask
you this real quick. This is off the topic, real quick.
We just gave up number or whatever. You just gave
the Montana number of Mahomes. Right, Just say Mahomes plays
eight more years, doesn't win again.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Just let's just.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Did he pass Montana?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I feel like he's already passed on my list, I
got Brady Mahomes, Montana, Peyton Manning. But yeah, so to me, yes,
now you know, look, I'm i just built in whether
I consciously am saying this or not, Rob built into
(11:17):
a take when a guy has played what six seasons
and has three Super Bowls already, is you know, it's
kind of like you're you are putting a little projection
in there with Russell Wilson. When I used to say
when he was in Seattle, Rob, remember we talked about it,
like when he started making noise about wanting to be traded,
(11:39):
and I constantly referred to him as a future Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm not sure now.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know, because it was like he's he's clearly on track.
But here's the other thing. And so that would be
interesting if he does it. If he goes the next
eight years it doesn't win, then you know, I mean,
I might have to rethink it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I mean, and the only reason I say that is
and it's not anything against Mahomes. Tom Brady went nine years, Chris,
he had a second career when he started winning again.
If Tom Brady would have ended his career Chris, after
those nine years of winning, there's no go conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He wouldn't be Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's like with just those three super Bowl early No,
those three early right.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, no, no way, no way, No.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I didn't want to get off try, Yeah, you would
just start rethinking it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But I do you agree?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I mean, in Gerald, it is what he said, Mahomes
is the best. Yes, if somebody wants to Seawan, say
Sean King, and I don't think Sean would argue this.
But if Sean King comes on and it's like I
think Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the league. Now,
he can make his argument and we can firmly disagree,
but his opinion is his opinion, and I don't get that,
(12:51):
you know what I'm saying, Like he can have his opinion,
I would think it's silly, just like I thought Greg
Jenny's saying Daniel Jones was the top ten.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Quarter back.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That was a first guest, that wasn't even coming off
that playoff win and whatever all that. We were like, no, dude,
we've watched this guy and there's no way's top ten quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Do you think, though, would you agree with me that?
Right now?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Just just objectively, it's not debatable that Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No, coming off of last year winning the back to back,
it would be hard to make an honest case for
anybody right else, that's it, especially coming off of that,
right all right, It's.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
The Couple Chris around eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox You'll turn the Way in. Is there an argument
for Josh Allen or anybody, to be honest, to be
the best quarterback in the league besides Patrick Mahomes. Is
it arguable that Josh Allen or another quarterback is actually
(13:59):
better playing right now?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Is better than Patrick Mahomes?
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nine on Fox. Can you argue that any other quarterback
in the NFL right now is better than Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Let's kick it off with y'all, sir in Detroit. You're
on the Odd Couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Hey guys, how's it going. I just wanted to say
I want to miss to you Chris a lot on
this show. I've been watching this show or listening to
it for the last like four years almost. I've listened
to all the older episodes on YouTube as well. But yeah,
that's the luck Rob going forward with the Odd Couple
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Thank you, Thank you, Yosser. We appreciate that, no doubt about.
It's been a fantastic six year run for me and Chris.
That's a long time in radio, and we're happy with
what we did here.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Definitely, sure, for sure, I think this is like one
of those shows that's groundbreaking. But I wanted to add
that I think there's no debate, honestly with what quarterback
is better. I think with mahomes playoff success the last
two years and the fact that even somebody like Joe Burrow,
who I used to think was better than Mahomes but
I don't anymore, just the fact that he's always injured
(16:30):
and inconsistent. Same thing with Josh Allen as well. I
just don't think there's another argument for somebody else right now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
See, that's it, And that's what I'm saying, Chris, coming
off of what Mahomes did again winning a second in
a row, it's just hard to make that argument. And
two years ago after he lost to Joe Burrow in
Kansas City, and you know what I mean, Chris, And
now there was definitely an argument.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
No, I just hardly only had one Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Right It's hard now to really make that argument. Andre
in Massachusetts, You're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
How you doing? Thanks for taking the call, listen. I
think the argument, frankly, can be made that people are
creeping up on Patrick Mahomes. What hasn't happened is he's
got the TV twelve method master, and he seems to
always get over the hump at the last yard, you know,
the last second. He has the championships. But I do
think that Lamar, excuse me, Lamar Jackson is right there. Frankly,
(17:29):
Josh Allen at number two concerns me because he hasn't
done it in prime time. Okay, he's got all the reguard.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Well, Jolo, Josh, Josh Andre and you know I love Lamar,
but Josh has been had better playoff games than Lamar.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's not even debatable.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Lamar broke through to the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Let Jo has been to the AFC Championship game, but
Lamar didn't play a particularly good game. Josh has had
historically great game. He hasn't been great in every playoff game,
but he has had some monster playoff games. Lamar has
yet to really have a monster playoff game.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Okay, point taking Chris and if they would have played
some defense in the last thirty seconds, then the narrative
would be different. But that's my overarching point. Patrick Mahomes,
because he has the Super Bowls, there's this gap in
people's mind that I don't believe is consistent in reality.
And the point about Joe Burrow, Yes, he hasn't been
healthy and that's the only thing that's going to be
holding him back. But we did see him go toe
(18:24):
to toe with Mahomes and get the job done. And
he does have a good record against Mahomes, So what's
holding him back? I EA Kawhi Leonard is can he
stay healthy? But when when they go toe to toe,
Joe Burrow shows that he's human and he can be
and he can't be beat. And by the way, if
we didn't have that crazy off defensive penalty against the
against the Eagles, we might have saw something different. But
(18:44):
that's not off. You know. There to the victor goes
to spoils. So Mahomes is the king. But this next
tier of Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Yes, Josh Allen and
watch out for CJ. Strouds. They're coming up his heels.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Josh Allen has no MVPs Joe Burrow has no MVPs obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
CJ's just in his second year.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Like Labar's got the MVPs, but no postseason hard where
the accolades.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And again, Mahomes is young too. I get it.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He hasn't had you know, like last year he wasn't
didn't have a great season, No anybody.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You could if you're even if you're a Mahomes fan,
if you if you don't acknowledge that last year wasn't
a Mahomes year.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It just wasn't pretty much even acknowledged.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Sonny through six fourteen interceptions, Yep, that ain't fun. He
was never throwing that many interceptions, Chrisy. He wasn't that guy.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
No, So I do think that's why. And we'll see
if he gets it done. But he wants to really
have one of those, you know, one of those years
where he throws forty plus tds and you know, over
five thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We'll see if he can do it.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
But Rob G, you hop on in here, is there
an argument for another quarterback over Mahome?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Rob G said Gardner.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Minshew, you know, fan, No, you know what's funny is
I've made the comment and I think Rob has heard
me say it that I agree Tom Brady's the greatest
quarterback of all time. But to me, the best quarterback
I've ever seen is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
But so so here's the thing though with Patrick Mahomes
is he is legitimately right now the greatest in terms
of wins and accolades and MVP Super Bowls. He's also
the best based on any metric you want since he's
been in the league. He has all the passing yard numbers,
all the touchdowns. His down year last year is a
Pro Bowl year for most guys. So I don't see
(20:41):
how you can make any legitimate argument that says anybody
other than him is the best guy right now.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well but that but that's the whole reason why Jerald
McCoy's take was just just saying right, they're like like,
it didn't make any sense to me because because he's
saying no, after the pushback or the onions came out,
then he's talking about all it's Patrick.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
My home for me won't.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But but if somebody made a case for Josh Allen,
you were.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Cool with it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Wow, right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Chris all Right, one of our new segments for the
new show. It's called the Parker pushback, and that would
have been a perfect example of the Parker pushbacks.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
So you were gonna take like a comment some media
person made.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Some former a some ridiculous pot Yeah, okay, that's good.
The park should have done that. Man, well, we were
saving it for the new show.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I know you probably had it in your pocket for
about seven months.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But you want to wait. That's all good?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
All right, Moro, couple coming your way. The w n
B a more popular than ever.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Rob. I'm sitting here watching the w NBA game Indiana.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Ay, but a lot of people, I'm gonna tell you this, Chris,
we're all those women who were bashing Caitlyn Clark and
all our way.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
They might be come up where on it, Chris, We
will get to it. Be first, we weren't passioned.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
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Speaker 2 (22:17):
Rogie, there's some stuff going on, so kind of summarize
the latest controversy. I guess there's a lot going on.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
WNBA Commissioner Kathy Engelberg was on CNBC for whatever reason,
doing an interview on their panel.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Talking about the corporations that lose fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I'm sorry and just.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Take a listen to this exchange between her and the reporter.
This is just facts, I'm saying, just facts focused on
the discourse social media wise, at least on the Kaitlin
Clark Angel Reese rivalry.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
Take listen that question, which raises some sensitivities of rivalries
between players, in the case of Angel Reese, who's just
had to shut it down because of a risk, in
Caitlin Clark, who's continuing to play rivalry that goes back
to their college days, presumably where I guess some trash
talking entered in.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But now it seems on some social.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Media channels to have taken a darker turn, a more
menacing turn, where race has been introduced into the conversation,
where sexuality is sometimes introduced into the conversation. How do
you try and stay ahead of that, try and tamp
it down or act as a league when two of
(23:34):
your most visible players are involved, not personally, it would seem,
but their fan bases are involved in saying some very
uncharitable things, well, Welle.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
Thing that's great about the league right now, we do
sit at this intersection of culture and sport and fashion
and music. Like the WNBA players are really looked at
now as kind of cultural icons. True, and when you
have that, you have a lot of attention on you.
There's no more apathy. Everybody cares. It is a little
that bird magic moment if you recall from nineteen seventy
nine when those two rookies came in from a big
(24:06):
college rivalry, one white, one black, and so we have
that moment with these two. But the one thing I
know about sports, you need rivalry. That's what makes people watch.
They want to watch games of consequence between rivals. They
don't want everybody being nice to one another. So social
media is different today than it was in nineteen seventy
nine when it didn't exist. But you know, I always
tell the players, you know I was told a long
(24:27):
time ago. If someone's typing something in and you wouldn't
ask their advice, ignore it. So it's it's a balance,
but certainly from a marketing dollars, but corporate partners are
stepping up to endorse these players much much more so
than they were five years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Well was this ABC Dudes Nightline or CNBC? I mean
this was, like Chris, this was he had a very
involved or provoking question that you wouldn't expect to hear
on a business channel, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, No, I thought it was a good question. Yeah,
and you heard her answer. Well, we'll get into We
want to have a little time to unpack this, Rob,
So we'll go to our break right now, and then
you and I can talk about her answer.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And there's more controversy coming.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Like the Players of Association and players.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Bothered by So we'll get to that around the break.
A couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
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Speaker 4 (25:30):
All right, we're broadcasting live from the tireg dot com studios.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Huh hey is Chris are you there?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Could be all right? We were talking, Rob.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
We heard the commissioner of the w n B a
answer the question about kind of the ugly turn that
the Caitlin Clark Angel Reese debate. Rivalry took among fans
on social media and Rob G fill us in.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
The players didn't like her answers.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
That correct, correct, because as you heard in the answer,
she didn't necessarily condemn that kind of conversation or that
kind of hate speech at all. She basically said, hey,
we have more attention on us than ever people care
about our league, and the marketing dollars are higher than
they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And once she could have said, Chris and and all
of that stuff that she's talking about is true, and
all she had to say was we love the attention.
The hate stuff is nothing that we want to part right,
that's all right.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
She just had to acknowledge it that the hate now
we're not and she tried to do that after that,
the hate stuff and all that, so we're not.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
We're not with that.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
So late last night she put out a tweet saying,
you know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
But by then the cats.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But here's what I would say, though, and I agree,
I totally agree with Rob. She she just should have said,
look is definitely gone too far social media. But you know,
but you know, we we you know what she said
about the people wanting to watch our game more and
things like that, she could have said that all she
(27:14):
had to do was throwing that acknowledgment. I will say
this though, I don't think her original statement was anything
close to an endorsement of that type of you know,
the negative talk like for I think for people to
take it that far.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't think you're right.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You're looking for something to complain about, Like she can
only control the player. Now, if there were players in
the league making nasty comments, racially insensitive comments and anything
about it, yeah, gender insensitive comments, yes, then she she
(27:52):
can do something about it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
If she didn't, you can call her on it or Rob.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Even if fans in the arenas are doing that, like
the NBA has done it, you can cross the line.
They'll kick you out of the arena. They may suspend
you for life from that arena. That's what she can control.
She can't control some people on social media what they tweet.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So all she had to do, like Rob said, acknowledge
that that's.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We're not in the bad.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
We don't promote that, we don't endorse that. In fact,
we object to it, to it wholeheartedly. That's all she
had to say.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That's the line. If you put that out there and
then say, hey, you know the attention we're getting, all
the sponsorships and all this stuff. Trust me, three years
ago we weren't getting this kind of attention and all that.
Then you're good to go. And she just missed an
opportunity to say, you know, like, we don't endorse it.
We just don't endorse the bad stuff. That's not what
(28:47):
we want. We don't want our players to be the
objects Chris or you know, racially target targeted or profiled
or vilified, racially vilified or something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Right, she should have made a statement like that.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Unfortunately, right with popularity, sometimes negatives do come with it. Yea,
And she is right, like, let's just keep it real. Right,
a year ago, forget five years ago. A year ago,
people weren't really nobody was talking about the w NBA Chris.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
We talked me, We talked about this from jump Caitlin
Clark was going to be the Halem Globe trotters and
all these people who never paid attention because she played
basketball so different from women, and the three pointers from
the logo Chris and all the other stuff that got
everybody's attention. We knew it, we talked about it, that
(29:49):
this was gonna happen. Other people were trying to downplayer
Chris and all this other stuff. Oh yeah, wait till
she gets in the league? Well was there about that?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Where are those people right?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean, she's eating the league up and show Swoops
still hanging in there, Rob g on that she's still
trying to.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Fighting the good fight. To be honest with you, she like,
what does she say?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
What what does she say?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
What is most This was three weeks in a row,
right player of the week?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
What what is what?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Shoe Swoop said, Well, she didn't do it four weeks
in a row. Host recently she was going at stephen A.
Smith over the way that he was pointing out that
she wasn't being objective about it, and then that became
a whole nother situation.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I did see that far she hadn't be an objective
objective what.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't know how she's to be objective? Like, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And I will say somebody said broadcast nobody says she's
the greatest player ever.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
No, but they had to plus Cheryl Swoops off of
broadcast because it was so blatantly obvious that she had
it out for kid.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes during the game or no, the next game.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
The next game, I believe that game and for her, Wow,
what kind of stuff was she saying? She like, if
Kayln Clark was doing anything great, she'd be silent and
she wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Why that's a good question why.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
I mean, I would get her on, but I don't
think she wants to come on a show anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, well, let's let's is it like?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
And obviously the league has been mostly African American and
there have been some phenomenal players, and like Rob said,
nobody's saying Kaitlyn Clark is the greatest. No, No, she's
played one year, nobody's saying it at all.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And the league has never gotten major attention.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So I do think some of the black players feel like, well,
we've been we built this league, and we you know,
the league wasn't getting the attention that it should have.
So maybe maybe that's why they're maybe resentful of Caitlyn
Clark and the attention she's brought. What I would say, Rob,
is that there have been great white players in the
(31:58):
w NBA, I mean Brianna Stewart and Deana Tara like
a lot, but it's much more than like the NBA.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
You know in modern Dayna, but I.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Just think, you know, with the numbers she got, Chris,
and the TV numbers and all the attention and the
sneakers and you know what I mean, and the endorsements.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
She's been and does race does her being white?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It doesn't some.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Fans, probably probably because even with the Diana Tarassi's and
the Brianna Stewarts and all that. I mean, it's still
the league is still majority black. You think of Lisa Leslie,
you think of Cheryl Swoops and all the other great
African American players who may have dominated the league, and
(32:47):
it's it's different, and again not as much with women,
but it's still somewhat unique for a.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
White girl to dominate like this.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And I think it's American play style of play too, Yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Because yeah, because like no other white player has captivated
our imaginations like this.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Her style of play is what separates her from the
Donna Tarassis and the people who did you play women basketball? Chris, Diane,
I'm sorry, what do I say?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Donna? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Sorry, I'm ella, Donna, don Ella, you know all these
all these other great white players. You're right, her style
of player is different. And look, we are in the
majority white country. The country is still sixty white, so
there are just more white people. And if they take
to her, they're gonna have more numbers. And that's gonna
(33:41):
if they really take through it, that's gonna lead to
more ratings.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It's not things like and we saw that, Chris, when uh,
you know, Larry Bird showed though, and that's.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
What I see mat looking Bird. There was also there
was a huge racial.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Element to that.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
There's no doubt about it, and and and and also Chris,
you know, like it couldn't have been any more perfect.
It really couldn't.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Bird.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
But the white guy in Boston, you know what I'm saying,
Like white guy in Boston, a showman in l a right,
like you.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Could Glamorers fancies playing yeah No, and Rob to be in.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Obviously the WNBA isn't at the level of the NBBL.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But look at this one.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
You got Angel Rees and Chicago, the black girl in Chicago.
You got Caitlyn Clark in Indiana, the white girl in
Like that's worked out.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That's interesting too.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
So I just think that that's an element of our
life in this country.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Unfortunately, and like we said, Rob, it was an element.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
With Bird and Mac remember when Bird won three straight
MVPs and I was a kid, but I also was like, man,
he won these because he's white, Like he shouldn't have
won three straight like that, and conversation and if.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
You remember, Chris, I don't know because you're you know,
five years younger than me. But they're announce what the
Celtics for CBS. Where the Boston Celtics announcers Dick Stockton
and Tommy Heinsen.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I remember they did the national game.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, but they did the Celtics too, so you know,
like Mike Breen does the Nicks or whatever, they were
the national team but CBS, Yes, that's different both. And
that was the big thing is that they would every
bounce passed by Bird, everything he did, like it was
like over the top, like he invented the bounce pass.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
No, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So Look at the end of the day, the league
is more popular, at least than it's been in years,
and that is a good thing. And you do want
to keep you know, the bad apples at Bay, but
it's also a positive to it too.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
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