Dating Done Differently

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For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpohas been a female home builder with a
passion for design, a mastery ofdetail, and a commitment to her crack.
With daughter Samantha Stumpo by her side, I don't need my whole family
on a date with me. That'sa good note. It's goddemn weird.
See. Stumpo Development is the onlysecond generation female construction company in the country.
You're crazy, You're a wacko,You're insane. I mean, it

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just doesn't end together. Cindy andSamantha welcome guests to explore the world of
construction, real estate, development,design, and more. Unpredictable. Every
time I think I know what youwant, you switch it out. But
that's what makes sure houses all us. They discuss anything that happens between the
roof and the foundation. Nothing isoff limits. You truly do care about
everybody. She can yell at youget scream, but when you get her

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alone, she's the best person onthe planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as
nails and welcome to Cidy Stumper Toughas Nails on WVZ News Radio ten third
and I swear to god, they'regonna put them on my headstone. Okay,
I think's the mining tough as nailslike style. The h GTV even
ended up on my heart media.Hey, who's over there? Who's my
new Blondieunette Burnette? Now know whatblond Sam? That's your name? Yeah?

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You sure? Yeah? Okay,yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay
spell that one, Sam? Sam? Okay, thank you? Sam eats
him? Okay, who's in thestudio? Sam? I don't know.
You tell me. I don't know. You tell me. I don't really
actually know. That's really great?That out. Okay, I'll take it
from here. Paul. Great tomeet you. I am Paul. That's
right, Paul English. Yes,thanks, last name? Thank you?

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You're not related to Olivia English?Are you in taught English? No?
They wish they were related to me. Ah okay, I like that,
and Boston Brays related to everybody.Okay, Paul, tell everybody? What
do we hear? What are wedoing? What are you doing? So
right now we're going to talk abouta new app that I've created with my
fiance. It's called Lola and it'sgoing to everything you touch turns to gold.

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By the way, I'm six forsix, yes, six or six
Okay, I would say that's platinum, go ahead, Yeah, pretty good
me. The next one's not goingto fix everybody with the sixes. So
I'm best known for Kayak, thetravel site, which I started two thousand
and four and took a public andthen sold it a price line for two
billion dollars, so it was areally nice outcome. But I've also done
e commerce, customer service, securitysoftware, consumer travel, business, travel

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and podcasting and my six companies,and now I'm running a little adventure studio
called Boston Bench Studio. And whatAventure Studio does is we come up with
ideas for new companies and we buildthem and then we raise money, We
hire CEOs, and there off tothe races, and we've sold one company
so far. We have five companiesunder development. I'm just sitting here a

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little because and you do all this, and have you ever had any issues
with anything in your life? Major? Like, let me see. One
thing I've been talking about recently isjust my journey with bipolar illness. I
got diagnosed at age twenty five andstruggled in my twenties and thirties. But
I've been doing really well the lastten years. Ten last years this is

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amazing, Like we wouldn't have admittedthis fifteen twenty years ago, and now
you're cool if you have some crazything, I don't know, Like I've
been talking about my panic attacks fortwenty since for thirty six years, but
and people say, why do youtell people you have panic attacks? Because
people will judge you, and peoplewill I don't give two craps who judges
me? Right, But it's funnyhow now we're letting all the stuff out,

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so and I think that's great.Yeah, And what I would say
is smash the stigma, smash thestate. We want to make it safe
exactly. Back in January, Itook over Tedex Boston and we hosted a
day of nonprofits at UMass Boston,and we had fifteen nonprofit leaders each tell
their story, and I told mystory with a nonprofit. I've started five
nonprofits and one of them is calledthe Bipolar Social Club. And I cried

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my own presentation a little bit.It was tough. When I was done
with it, it was the mostvulnerable I'd ever been on tape. I
sort of collapsed and had to gohome and be a recluse for a day
or two to get my energy backand it's out there. It's up on
YouTube now and I can't take itback. But I've heard it helps people.
Do you want to Yeah, I'veheard it. It helps people like

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people that are real. I've beenreal my whole life. I don't know
any other way. So when Imeet other people that are real, then
I like real people. I don'tlike people that are fake and phony and
people think, oh god, theygot so much money. No this,
I always say, the poor personthat becomes rich if they were we use

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the word PRII we won't use,but you know what I'm saying. If
the guy was a PRI before hehad money, he's going to be a
PRI after he's got money. Right, and the woman too. I don't
think money should change anybody. Moneyshould be about something that makes life easier
and help others that you can helpmake maybe somebody else's life a little bit
easier, but should change who youare, right, And I don't think

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money has changed to Paul English?Is am I right now? Not a
lot? I mean my best friends, of my high school friends, and
there's five of us and we've beenplaying proger since we're twelve years old.
We still get together and we knowthe good back and ugly. We know
where the bodies are buried exactly,and they don't give me any credit for
anything. We just give each otherand have the best time. So you
hold on to your old friends.I love them. I'm just going to

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take a guess that you can't bea cancer or virgo? Are you?
I'm a virgo? Okay, Virgosdon't hold on the friends. Virgo's and
cancers to hold on to friends.Yeah, I have all my friends since
fourth grade amazing and I like thosefriends. But the new friends I made
right. So people always ask mehow many friends did you make on the
ladder of success? Right? Ilaugh? I go no, no,
no, no, no, youmean how many friends did I lose?
Right? I really want my friendsto begin with, and how many acquaintances

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did I make? Right? So, yes, I lean on my old
friends because they know you, theyknow and they know everything. Yeah,
and they're not the judge in orwe're just we're just we're back in our
little bodies as kids. But we'regrowing ups, right, And it's a
good. Virgos and cancers love theirold friends because it's a feeling of safety
and home. Great. So that'sa good thing, all right. Talked
to me about this dating app.Here's called LOLA. It stands fine for

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Love Language l LA. It's Loladot com. And there's two things about
it that are different than any otherdating app. And the reason we came
up with Lola was on my seconddate with Rachel, which is four years
ago, she pitched me on someideas for dating app. I'm like,
it sounds interesting. I get pitchedlike every day for yeah, my now
fiance. We met four years agoand on our second date, she said,

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I have an idea for dating app, and pitch me and we would
talk about it. She could goon that second date, the first date
to try to pitch you. Howdid you actually meet her on a dating
Yeah? And she would pitch meevery now. And because both of us
were like I would describe as prolificdaters, we did it a lot.

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I mean two in one night,three on the weekends. I mean really,
Yeah, I love meeting people.I love meeting people. So to
me, dating was away just tomeet different people, you know, in
different places. Anyway, Rachel andI hit it off, and well way,
first of all, like, seewhat will say to me in the
old days, like early on,if I if I sing this text,
say you need me, it's somepoint, it's amazing. Yeah, yeah,

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I love it. How many ofthose did you do in one night?
How do you escape? Scapevals?Is that they called the escape belves.
I've literally had friends that like gofor drinks and they'll be like the
person looks at the picture and theygo out. They like walk by their
date and go out the back doorof the bar. Yeah, that's not
a good thing. Like you getto look your picture. You can't clean
your picture up to a point whereyou don't look neat the picture. One
of my women friends, single woman, once was on a date, a

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bad date, and she excused herselfto go to the bathroom. When she
called me from the bathroom and shesaid, call me in five minutes and
tell me there's been an accident inmy family. And then then we don't
want to bring bad comic to ourfamily. Right, there's been an accent
to a friend of a friend justcan't be out of her gate. So
all right, so go ahead,I'm sorry to interrupt. So we were
talking about it every now and then, and then finally last summer, I'm

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not running this venture studio, andour job is to create apps and create
companies. So I said, letme look into this dating thing. So
we did a last summer and weinterviewed two hundred and fifty people about dating
and we asked him what they didn'tlike about dating apps. They told us
ten or a dozen things they hatedabout dating apps. There's a lot of
terrible things about dating apps. Butthe two biggest problems was one people said,

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it's just way too much work.You're swiping and swiping, it'sart chatting
with someone. You think you're connecting, then they ghost you. They just
sort of disappear. You're talking toten people at once, you forget who
you're talking to, and it justtakes forever to meet someone. And then
the second problem that we heard fromwomen in particular is a met a guy
online. He seemed cool, theygo to meet him in person, big
letdown. Either guy was catfishing them, looks nothing like his photos he used

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like his college photos instead of whathe looks like now, or the guy
was just a jerk, you know, And we want to solve both those
problems. Okay, So just soyou know where I'm coming from, right
when my daughter firus got onto adating app. I'm like, only we
had people do that. She goes, no, Mom, this is the
news. It's the majority now right. So but to me at my generation,

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like yeah, with all first thatlike you're on a what oh my
god, you're such a loser,right, Like this is like can't you
meet a person that's the majority?That's the majority? Right? So,
but that was my my brain going, get off that thing, like what
if you meet something they hurt you. Listen, let's hold that offtment.
We go to break I'm Sidy stumblingand listen to WBZ News Radio ten thirty.

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ten thirty. And I'm Cindy andI'm here my daughter Samantha, my new
brunette, and I'm here with allEnglish. Okay, now introduce themselves.
Good now, Eric can start introducethemselves. Go ahead, Paul, finish
up what you were saying. Sothose are the two biggest problems we heard.
Way too much work takes too longto actually meet someone in real life,

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and then somebody to meet someone's acreep, like you meet someone's a
jerk, and we want to fixboth of them more jerks than not jerks
in your eyes. I have toput this app together, I will say,
in my humble opinion single career,yes, like sort of between serious
girlfriends and I'm using the apps.I think most people are pretty nice,

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really. I mean I did meeta number of people who catfished me,
would send me like their modeling photosfrom twenty years ago, exactly what they
look like when I met them atMasters and Seaport or whatever. But most
people are nice people. I mean, we all have our stories, but
can these dating apps like we ifwe all remember we had the what was

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that? We watched it on Lifetimeoriginal The Twindler No Tinder Swindler, Right,
I saw that? Yeah? Likecrazy crazy? So is there any
way to vet these people before comingon Apple? You really can't. So
this is what we're doing. Thefirst thing is when you install Lola for
the very first time, we sayLola is for people who want to go

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out on dates this week, andthen we say what night do you want
to go out? You know,Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, there's a
Friday. We share the next fivenights. There's a little button saying not
ready yet. If you click that, we say Lola for people want to
go out on dates this week andmeet in real life. If you just
want to chat, we highly recommendTinder Bumble. They're great for chatting,
which is sort of a you knowsaying, the other apps aren't really about

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meeting people, they're just about chattingendlessly. The second thing we do is,
let's say you what's your husband saying? Again, right, Ray?
Let's say you match. Let's sayyou say I'll go out. Well,
you're going up great form fiance thehusband go ahead, okay good. Let's
say you say I'll go out onTuesday night. That's your free night.
We only show you people who areready to go out Tuesday night. So

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let's say you match with Ray,you chat with them in the app,
you make plans to go out Tuesdaynight. On Wednesday morning, we message
you and we say, did yougo out with Ray last night? Yes?
So no, how would you rateyour experience one to five? I'm
gona tell you more about this ina second. Then we say, which
of these positive and negative actibutes.Would you associate with Ray? So you're
asking both parties yes, and ittakes one minute to answer these four questions.

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He's an idiot. He didn't looklike what he looked like. Let's
say if you rate him A one, we ask whoa what went wrong?
And one of the things you canclick is I felt unsafe? Okay,
if someone is marked is unsafe bypeople who are like good people on the
platform lifetime ban So we're kicking outall the like really bad daters, like

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the awful people are going to beas we speak. What downloading this as
we speak? Oh, we're downloadingthis as we speak. Okay. Now
I have a direct line to Paulif anything ever happens to my daughter.
Okay, So anybody's listening that's onthis app, Okay, we'll take good
care of her. Paul's can watchover you. You're going on the the
ip liss absolutely and then these peoplepay how much a month to be on

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your app? Right now, it'sfree for this year because we're just trying
to build an audience. We're launchingin Boston. Most dating apps are around,
it's just going to be for Bostonpeople. Right now. Right now,
it's just in Boston. We're goingto launch in New York, Batam
right Boston. Yeah, we're tryingto make just get all the kinks out,
make sure it works well, peopleunderstand that they like it. We'll

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launch in New York and the summer. We'll launch in Miami in the fall,
and then we'll raise around to financingand take it national. And that's
the game plan. Let's plan.And any of these dating software whatever,
Twindler, what is it called Bubbleor the tender Bumble, Have any of
these companies been brought out. Yeah, there's there's quite a lot of buyout.

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There's one company called the Match Group, which is the old match dot
com. Yeah, they own Iwant to say, at least fifteen or
twenty dating companies. They're buying alot of them up, Bumble Independent Bumble
is wildly successful. And then theMatch Group they own Match, Tinder,
Plenty of Fish, the League whichI'm friends with the founder Hinge. I'm

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friends of the founder. I wasan investor in Hinge, so I'm friends
with one of the Tender founders.I have connections in the industry. I
have some great advisors who are tellingme watch out for these landmines. So
the Timlos Swindler, whatever came out, did that hurt? Did that hurt
that app for a while. Idon't think it did, which is surprising.
Yeah, you would have thought thatthat would have hurt all the app.

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It did it, But that guywe kicked off our app because as
soon as someone figures them out,lifetime ban. Okay, now with these
apps or your app, because Iknow nothing about these apps, so I'm
talking from the dumbest part of mybrain right now. Do you have a
VIP section that people have to paymore money to upgrade? Because I don't

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know, like they should be aVIP section. Are you even have a
VIP section? We don't have thatyet. But one thing we do have,
and Samantha is now on the list, is we have a friends of
Lola. So there's certain profiles thatget like a gold star and when people
see that, they're going to say, whoa, why do you have a
gold star? Okay? And inthe short term, you know, maybe

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that means this is one of ourpremium users, and the shortter means you're
like you're friends with the Lola founders. There's certain people were going to highlight
and show their profile more often andshow them to high profile people other high
profile people. So that's what you'redoing. So basically, like all my
verification badges that I never paid for, that I actually earned on my own,
Yeah, now you can buy them. Yeah, well that's fine.

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A lot of the apps they alsomake you, like even if you post
photos, they make you verify yourphotos. They make you take a photo
of yourself right in that moment.We do that as well. You do
that, yeah, because we wantto make sure that they're not catfishing and
sending photos of other people. Catfishingmeals, so catfishing means uh here.
So basically, like if I wason the app and I used your photo
and said I was you, andthen you're meeting me thinking it's you,

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they change their photos. Yeah,absolutely. And the other thing that happens
a lot, and this creeps meout, but men go on dating apps
and they upload photos of women andthey say they're a woman. What,
yeah, I know that one.No, it's weird. What do you
mean they say, the woman?I don't know. It's weird, but
it happens. And so what itmeans is if you're a guy on one

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of these dating apps and you're messagingwith a woman and kind of falling for
it. You might be messaging aguy, right, what the right?
That doesn't happen on Lola because wedo the photo verification. Oh okay,
when you upload photos, we thensay, turn on the camera, do
a selfie of yourself. We analyzeto make sure it's a real human.
You're not holding up to a photo. This different technology. We can make

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sure you hold up to a faceand we make sure that face matches the
photos you upload. Got it,so we get rid of cat fishing,
Sammy, you know more about thisstuff than I do. Okay, what
do you want to know? Iwant you to ask Paul some questions because
you know why, like base itoff of love languages. I mean I
always ask people with their love languages, but like why it's not so the
term love language was in use waybefore that book came out. There's a

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book called Love Lingue the Five LoveLanguages. Yeah, but love language,
that phrase has been around for hundredsof years, and we just think it's
you know, what's the chemistry betweentwo people, Like what's important to what's
important to me? And it's notliterally the book. We don't ask you,
you know, I like gifts,affirmation, whatever the five are.
It's more like we're going to connectyou to someone. And the other thing

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about going out this week is we'retelling people take a chance. Meet someone
online who looks interesting, Go meetthem. That might be the love of
your life. And maybe they don'tlook maybe they don't exactly what you think
you're looking for. Rachel often tellspeople that issue was paying more attention.
She would have filtered me out andnot met me. We have an age

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difference, and she says, Idon't know why I'm dating someone so old,
but anyway, I clicked it's big. It's twenty years so she's how
old about thirty five? In sixty? No, you're not, I am
get out of here in sixty?He give me a fist bum bro.
Okay, that's because you have theywould say, because you have a full

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head of here. Okay, yeah, that's it his thing. I've got
a full head of here. Younever look at your age, No,
you don't look you know, youactually look like you're in your late forties.
The best? How's that word?Sixty? And I'm not I got
to say that in a few moremonths. I don't know if I can
handle that word. That's like,oh God, Okay, so you and
Rachel found each other and you're madlyin love and coming from some of my

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generation, we met through I don'tknow, like we all got kind of
marry young and we knew everybody,and everybody knew each other, and this
is just a different world for me. Yeah. I mean back in the
day, I would meet people throughwork, through friends at bars. So
there's no dating apps. People don'twant to go out the way they used
to go out in the eighties andnineties anymore. They don't want to do

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that. And after a certain age, what you're working, you're tired.
It's a game of numbers. Ithink choosing your mate, your life partner,
is the most important decision you'll makeyour entire life. That person will
determine in many ways. Do youfeel supported love, Do you feel safe?
Do you feel safe to innovate,safe to try things, safe to
take risks. Your partner should beall that for you. Now, why

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would you choose amongst three people?It's a game of numbers. You should
meet a lot of people, andmaybe it's not the third person. You'll
meet. It might be the twentythird person you'll meet, but if you
meet some more people, you mightjust fut slash all that thought. We're
going to break come city stumbling.You listen to a nails on w Busy
News Radio ten thirty Ripe sponsored byPillar Windows of Boston, Next Day Molding

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and Kennedy Carpet Always Welcome back toTim's Nails on wb News Radio ten thirty.
And I'm Cindy and I'm here withSamantha and Paul, who is now

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dating now just commits me to downloada new dating app or what's that called
again, Lola? Hey, yeah, yeay, yay, yay, you
know what we do. No,she's gonna make you out a feature that
she can spy on what I'm doing. And she's gonna be like, I
will pay like three times the amountfor that because she's going to do that.
That's I'll play the movie because Isaid so where she created a dating
app for her daughter, her hopeprofile. Oh yeah, I remember that.

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Yeah, I have a question foryou. Do you share your location
with your mom? No, butshe does, but all my friends have
my location and she does with myfiance, And so you share your location
with Ray but not Mom. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny. So
good night's because we also worked here. You don't want you don't want Mom

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to show up on the date?Oh, she won't. She won't even
drive the bar. I used todo that all the time back in the
day. But the point is,like I couldn't find Sammy's fast on her
texts, like, right, boomboom boom, you sent her text like
last week. So I sent hertext, Hi, Sam, I got
a question and we're working on thisis a this is a twenty million dollar
land by right, Like, she'snot returning my text right, Like I

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need to know that, Sam.And then I see her father coming into
the group family text, Hey,has anybody talked to Sam? Say?
I'm like, come to think ofit, I haven't spoke to Sam.
Say my son comes in. Ihaven't spoke to her. Well where is
she? Sindey? I go,how do I know where she is?
Right? Like, let me findher? So I privately text her.
She doesn't reply. I'm like,Ray, I know Sammy, she has
a location. Just let me knowshe's safe. So he goes, I'm

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not getting involved, so he mustknow that she's safe. Right. So,
but I'm still I go. Youknow, I forget you, right,
like if you saw that she wasin the library. I don't know
what he thought, commentsman parks somewherenear where she lives. Right. So
I then text her friend Danielle,and I go, Danielle, it's sin
blah blah bah. Have you spokethe same thing? Yep, I get

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one answers back. Right, Okay, have you spoke to the last couple
of hours? Yes, we're atSammy. Do you know yes? Weah,
she's on a date. Do weknow who this dude is? Yes?
Is she safe? Yes? Okay, thank you. Then I come
back again. How do you knowhe's safe? I think they went to

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school together at some point in theirlives. Right, And then I just
backed it off, right because withtwitch Yeah he ma's my phone. Thirty
two texts later. But understand whyI live in a real world. I
live in. If Chad didn't answer, you don't look for him every five
seconds. It's not me because I'mrespond like that. No, because your
brother a strong thirty year old guythat can handle himself better than most,

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and I know like no one's gonnagrab him. No, all the guy's
gonna grab him. Good luck,and he's he's his common sense, he's
sharp, hes street, he's allthat. Sammy thinks. The world is
made of wonderful people. There's nobad there's no boogeyman. Okay, they're
all good people. Right, Sodifferent kids, it's to same parents.
But okay, we're going to goback to the app. But yes,
I worry about my children. Goahead, you asked Paul the hot question.

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How do you plan to different eachdifferentiate this app with all the other
dating apps. There's a couple ofthings. I mean, the most important
things. The city stuff was goingto be wanted. The most important thing
is we want a great community ofdaters. We wanted we want to be
able to filter out the bad guysalmost to the point where you can go

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out bad woman too, and badwomen. Yeah, we're going to becoming
very abusive. Have noticed that too? Do you want them? Answer?
Okay, go ahead, sorry,but we want we want to hooks now.
We want to filter the baddies andalmost where you could have dinner with
anyone on Lola, male, female, whatever and have a good time.
Because it's a great community people.So we're doing a lot to market to

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that. We're doing a lot tocurate that, and we're doing things to
filter out people that aren't good daters. Okay, well, just because they're
a bad data doesn't mean they're abad person. Right, Well, it
depends how the If someone gets rateda one star, we ask why they
rated a one star. This isthe other thing. If you rate Let's
say you got on Ray on thatfirst Tuesday night on Monday, we ask

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you to rate him one to five. Right, I get feedback, the
positive native feedback includes things like thepositive things like yeah, but what if
I'm crazy. Well, we lookat how people rate you, and we
look at everyone you rate. Ifyou give every guy, if you give
every guy one, the problem's notthe guy, it's right, it's you.
The problems you. But when yourate Ray and I'm sure you would

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have given him a five, wethen show what are these positive actibuis?
I dated Rate in high school,married my husband Joe, and I got
divorced like eighteen years before he did, and then he got divorced like three
years before he came into my life. Well not divorced, but was separated
for three years. So I wentfrom Jille to Ray, Right, a

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way to Joe to Ray right,welcome to be in a cancer But that's
me. I need that. Ineed to know who you are, like
I don't know you all live ina weird alien world book Well, because
there's also a sense of like ifif you know them too much and you're
not interested, then you feel likeyou're stuck with that person in your life
and maybe you don't want them inyour life. What's that mean? Like

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if you like, when you're meetingsomeone in dating app and like you don't
actually know them, say it doesn'twork out, no harm, no foulow,
and you don't have to then dealwith them. But no one gets
a little psycho and like likes youmore, maybe chase you a little bit
hotter, and you push them awayand they don't like that. They don't
like to get I don't really gopast one day if I don't like you,
Okay, what happens? You goin two, three days and they
don't like that you're blowing them off? Does that happen? Paul? I

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usually tell someone I'm not interested,but a lot of people do ghost people.
But I usually say I'm not interested, And what if they are still
interested and become like creepy people.I mean that can happen even you meet
somebody in real life. That's true. You got me on that one.
You got to answer. I'm gladyou answered that one is true to give

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that. I mean, there couldbe someone that's talking me all the time.
I have no idea and never metthem. The generation on your app
is what ages. The marketing thatwe're doing initially in Boston is so it'd
be demographics. I'm sorry. Theinitial demographics that we're marketing to in Boston
sort of young professionals, like latetwenties and thirties. However, we have

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everything from eighteen to I don't knowabout eighty, but we have every age
on there. The reason we're marketinginitially to the young professionals, it's just
so that when they open an app, there'll be a lot of other people
their age that they can match with, which is smart. Yeah. Plus
they know how to use those appsmuch better than older people do. Should
be toold maybe, yeah, Iknow I'm tech no more, but I

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just hear my phone. Let's Ihave kids. I didn't know that's why
I had kids that my kids hadto fix all my apps. So you
I discovered a new reason to havekids. So you can have grandkids?
Why do we want those? Myson and his wife just had their first
child. I'm so in love.I'm so happy. Really, Oh my
god. So do you love thegrand children more than you love your children?
Not more, but differently. I'mreally enjoying him, and I'm and

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I love my son as a father. He's such a great father. So
watching the son that you raised thatbecame the husband. Yeah, I don't
know what was more magical, thisnew little being entering into the world.
Are seeing my son become a father? Both of them are pretty amazing.
I'm sure it is. Yeah,I still want to know. Right now,
I'm happy. I just want acouple of years not taking care of
anybody. What's my frozen eggs?She frozen ages? Can we put that

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on the dating app? I getfrozen? Ach? No, But they're
matchmakers, they ask you that question. Apparently certain guys will not date a
woman of a certain age unless theyknow they're ex are frozen? I never
heard of that. Yeah, wow, Wow, that's a private question.
That's a personal question. But okay, hip hop with another question. Sammy
says, you're the dating app queen. What kind of user experiences Lola aim

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to provide? And how do youprioritize use, your feedback and satisfication?
Oh my god, I can't talksatisfication yet. Wow, that's a good
question. You dumb that down forme. I don't know how dumb it
down myself. No, I getit. I get it. You know
my career. I'm an engineer.But I can understand the question since I'm
sitting here. What did she justask you? She asked me about the

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use experience, like what does applook like? What does it feel like
to use it? And when Ithink about the questions like this, it's
it's less about the dating features.It's more like is that fast? Is
it clean? Is it fun?Is it simple? Is it understandable the
first time you use it? Sothings like that. And I'm an engineer
by training, but most of mycareer is managing design like a Kayka manage

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a design team. And I'm obsessedwith branding and with perception and with how
people feel about your product. Andif you study and do think, there's
something called usability testing where you bringsomeone into a lab and watch them use
your product, and you put camerasand you watch, you know, how

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they use your products. You canlearn a lot about what works and what
doesn't work. And for example,at Kayak, we used to have this
special monitor that had two little camerasin it and it would lock on the
person's eyeballs to look at where they'relooking on the screen. We'd have someone
interviewing that use of being tested,like me or someone on my team.
In the next room, we mighthave a dozen engineers were watching this user

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trying to use Kayak, and onthe big screen in the second room,
you'd see whatever page you were ona Kayak, let's say flight search.
You see that the first or wastrip Advisor, the first who was oh,
expeedier in Travelocity with the first tip, the first time Priceline. Those
are the original ones O G.Yeah, and then you came up.
We came out in O four.Because sometimes the first one doesn't do even

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though it's the first one. Sometimes, like if you take technology like MySpace
didn't make it, but then Facebookcame up and smarter than the first mover.
Is not always the best exactly.Yeah, I'm going to just tell
you a whole that I thought we'regoing to break ups to be Stumpo and
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Question. Hey, welcome back tocity. Stumpo tough his nails on
WBZ News Radio ten thirty and I'mhere with Sammy and I'm here with Paul.
We're talking about his amazing dating servicethat is now what's the name of

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its? Sam Lola Lola? Okay, go ahead, next question, what
are your goals and aspirations for Lolain the coming years. Okay, this
is gonna sound funny, but Iwould say a year from now, you
want to say, take another threebillion. Let's say this some technology conference,
maybe south By Southwest in Austin,Texas. If my team goes to

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south By and they're wearing their Lolashirts, I wanted to be crowds around
them. I want people to lovemy team. I want to build a
magical, magical team. I havethis thing with each of my companies where
I've said magical teams build magical products, and magical products build magical p and
ls. So my first goal withLola is have like perfection, just this
incredibly high energy team has the mojo. They finish each other's sentences, they

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laugh at each other's jokes. Theyjust like love, love working together.
The second thing I want is thebest product ever created in the dating industry.
So that seems like what you wantfor the legacy of Lola. It's
kind of you know, obviously Iwant to make money too, right,
Well, no, we want towork for free. No, we want
if we want to work. Ifwe want to work for free, we'll
just go to get exercise, Likewe'll go to the gym, right if

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we need any more exercise at ourreach, we don't need exercise, right,
It's just but this is your hightoo. But I always say that
when you love what you do,it's really not work, nop, Like,
it's not I love what I do. She loves what she does.
People that wait for Monday, likeway for Fridays because they need that weekend.
No, I wait for Monday.It works seven days, right,

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So but there's those people that,oh, God, Friday's here. Right,
So every once in a while I'llsay that because I just need like
a mental break for like four hoursseven right, then I'm right back at
it. But I think you've lovedyour whole career what you do? So
is it really a job when younot? I'm the thing I enjoy every
day? Isn't looking at my bankaccount I enjoy? Well, that's kind

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of fun too. Interacting with theteam. I enjoy interact with customers.
It is fun. But you knowwhat, okay, you know else is
also fun too. Okay, fun, you can compare notes on the break.
But you know what else is funis giving away money. Absolutely.
I love to give me money.When I made my first million when I
was twenty nine, and I madea rule that I said, from now

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on for the rest of my life, my minimum tip is twenty dollars.
So when I buy a cup ofcoffee, since a twenty nine I buy
a cup of coffee, I alwaysgive twenty dollars. Yeah, what I
leave everybody, Doug, You knowits every morning if there's five people working,
everyone gets ten dollars. It's everybodygets to those they could be five
to everybody. They see me coming, My coffee's already made as I'm walking

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through the door. Right, It'sa great feeling. And then it's Christmas
time whatever, and you slip theguy dunk I'm not stop bucking out a
donkeys. I'm a donkey's. Igave them a hundred hundred hundred. And
I couldn't do that if I wasn'tmaking a living, right, And last
week I was. It's a feelgood feeling. Look at we all donate.
I've been donating to Saint Jude's hospitalthat they've been praynant with her,

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right, and the hospitals and andand you name it politicians and this.
But when you can actually hear themight of somebody like raise the most generous
man you've ever met, Like everybodyaround that pool deck every all day,
he's like, open up an acorn account, right, and here here's
one hundred. All you guys putone hundred in your eight corner. He's
just so special like that. We'llbe somewhere. The guy that cleans the

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ash tray, he'll give him twentydollars, like, but that's that.
Like last week, I was inNapa Valley with a good friends. He
grew up a revere, right,he didn't grow up with any money,
right, so he's a hard workingguy. I mean, I grew up
most rocks with My dad was apipe feder. Okay, they are nine
people, three bedroom house, ninepeople three bedroom houses. Yeah, but
I'll tell you something fun happen lastweek. I was in Napa Valley with

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a friend of mine who's wealthy,and we're talking about tippings. We were
tipping people a lot last week.So we're drinking wine, having a good
time, leaving very big tips.And I challenged him and I said,
sometime in the next week, let'sfind the most amazing wadar and tip them
ten thousand dollars. We haven't doneit yet, but I'm going to do
it. You know who's done Ernie'sErnie Box done things like that. Ernie

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does always does crazy. Yeah,right, But imagine when you do something
that you're changing somebody's life, likeyou're really making on the dating app.
Are you a good tipper? No? Most people are cheat. Yeah,
we do have this problem. Thefirst bottom it's for money or the first
communion money and they still have it. Okay, like either you're a generous

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person who you're not. I don'tthink it's something. It's like loyalty.
Either you're loyal or you're not.Either your generously or not. Some people
just have a personality flaw that theyjust can't be generous. They're just cheat.
I have way more fun giving waymoney money, absolutely, and I
like making money. I like bothye me too, Okay, making it
and giving. Ay, that's likethere's something about like when you pay tesch
to what somebody wants and you givethem a present and you see the reaction

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that they notice that you paid attentionand made their day. So there's two
people, Paul. I don't likegifts. I get very uncomfortable language.
No, same, don't buy megiving them. And I love giving.
You know, I send to mykids every Mother's Day, Christmas everything.
I need nothing, just for youguys to be healthy minded, live a

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nice life, be good, behappy. That's it, right, And
then raygo's crazy like call on Sammy, what stop? Like just stop?
Then you buy me the gift andI'm so uncomfortable opening it. But then
I'll give you twenty and I getexcited watching you open them. But I
used to make my kids. I'dsay, okay, we're going to go
buy toys for children that don't haveright, or like I was always selling

(36:05):
wrapping paper and I always got thebiggest prize and I was always maybe gave
it, give it away, Soshe'd get the biggest prize, right for
selling the most wrapping paper, girlsgo cookies or whatever it was, whatever
it was, right, I meanwhile I'm selling them to all my guys
in the business. Right, Andthen she win the prize and said,
Okay, you don't need the bicycle. You're going to find something. You're
going to give that bicycle. Incredible, right, And she'd be like,
first was like, well, whyhave to give the bike away? Because

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you're going to make a difference insomebody else's life. Because truthfully, you
didn't sell any of that wrapping paperor the cookies. I did it,
and now you are going to dosomething for somebody else. I just did
it for you. And that's howshe learns, right, And she'd give
up whatever. She always got thebiggest kid. Yes, that's what you
gotta teach your children. How tobe generous, how to be kind.

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We do have on the feedback afteryou've been on a date. One of
the things we asked for constructive feedbackis you can rate someone as not nice
to waiters. Oh really, that'sa good Yeah, that's a good question
because we all should be incredibly niceto our waiters. They work hard,
and it's a job no one wantsanymore, right, so you walk the
job. Yeah? So okay,all right, so let's let's give me

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a hypothetic. Sammy goes on adate on your app. Your app's could
be up and running. When isit up and running? Now? It's
up and running. Now for creatingan account and creating a profile. We're
gonna start matching in the next Iwould say two to three weeks. So
the algorithm kind of matches, doesthis? Yes, we ask you a
bunch of preferences. We ask youare you you know your gender, what

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gender you want to date? Yourage, what age range you want to
date? We ask is a questionare you good looking? No? Well
that would be no because they're uglypeople, and they're good looking people.
Sorry, I hate to say it. I know on Facebook everybody thinks the
kids are so beautiful, But there'ssome beautiful kids. How can we have
so many ugly people walking around America? So no, they should be a
good thing. I want a goodlooking guy that looks like, I don't

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know, raise a co looking guy, but I can't use him. I
want a Brad Pitt. Well,that wouldn't be your generation. But I'm
just saying you can't put in there. If it looks from point you,
well, you can see the photosand we will detect on you. Excuse
me, it's his app Okay,I can't call you blonde. You over
there, so shush you over there, brunette. We will watch which profiles

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you interact with. When you seea profile, you either click left or
right, like I want to meetthis pressure, I don't want to meet
them. If we start noticing thatlooks is all you're clicking on, we'll
start sending you just good really goodlooking people. Oh that would be me.
Yeah, I like it looking people. I can't lie. What if
they can't have a conversation. Wecan get past that. You don't really

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need to talk. I just needto look at you. Okay, Okay,
so you're not that's fine, Okay. You can't be as dumb as
a bag of hammers. There's gonnabe a little bit of something going on
that brand. I'm so lucky RaisGod, he's articulately smart and he's handsome.
Well think I don't even know it'swith me. You've better find a
forty year old thirty five twenty five, No I'm kind of like stuck here

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because I still try to understand yourworld, your brain, how it works,
because your brain is like, didyou know you're this smart? I
don't know. I think I knowa lot of people smarter than me.
We can always buy brains, youknow that, right, But some has
to come up with the idea forus. Yeah, and then some he
has to then put the idea.What's the sense of having the knowledge if

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you don't take the action, right? Yeah, and act? One thing,
one thing I will say about myselfpositively is I'm extremely action oriented.
A lot of people talk about ideasand they never do it, and they
never do anything. I read onehundred books on how to be successful and
don't do a thing. Yeah.I love taking risks and just trying stuff

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and you might fail. Just tryagain and again and again and again,
and you'll figure it out. Iagree, Yeah, I always. You
know, we debate this on Clubhouse. Do you need knowledge direction? You
need both? That case, withoutknowledge, you don't take the action.
Without action, you don't take youknow, we'll actually take the more knowledge
gain, the more knowledge, themore action. But they sit there and
read fifty books on how to besuccessful and no one's successful or they don't

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get successful because they didn't take theaction. Sam you have another question because
we got no seconds. Okay,you're out of question. So we got
to go out to break. Okay. Listen to Cindy Stump on Toughest Nails
on WBZ News Radio ten thirty.We'll be ready to common Quin. You're
down and billone and you don't knowwhich way to know you just pick up

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in touch and welcome back to ToughestNails on WBZ News Radio ten thirty.
And I'm Cindy and I'm here withSammy, and I'm here with Paul.
Paul, take us out. Tellme about the app Real Fast Swedes Digest
version. The app's called Lola SinselLove Language l o l a dot com

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and we're the new dating app launchingnow in Boston. We're trying to build
the best community of daters in thecity of Boston, people you really want
to hang out with and have agood time. Okay, and then you'll
move out to the States. Yes, so Boston is going to be our
beta. That's right at beta testing. Okay, everybody, have a great,
safe weekend. We'll see you nextweekend. I'm Citney Stumbo top his

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nails on WBZ News Radio ten thirty