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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome to Cindy Stumpo toughest Nails on wb Z,
and we are here tonight with who Sammy Stumpo. Okay,
let's go, let's move it. Come on, Dennis, get a
personality the mic.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Come on, Dennis Patrisino. Okay, Rex Obama, Vincenti.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Morino, Okay, Vincent, tell my listeners, who are you?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Vincent Chigi Marino I was.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Born closer to the Mike Honey.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Vincent Chisei Marino. I was born in Boston, grew up
in Revere, lived in East Boston, and lived in the
North End. I had the benefits of three cities.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You got Revere.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I was born in Boston. Yeah, grew up in Revere.
I lived in East and I lived in the North.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
End, around a bunch of Italians, your home, A bunch
of good guys, A bunch of good guys. Okay, where
do you want to start with your story? You tell me.
I guess we can say take it from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I guess we can start where. I grew up
in the Revere projects, play sports every day, football base.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
By the way, Ray, Yes, you did grow up with Gigi. Okay,
So I just want you to realize that your reputation
in high school in Revere was a solid kid, good kid,
easy going, great guy.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Right, that was your reputation an athlete, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Student and athlete. Okay, he had the whole You had
everything going for you. Okay, take it from there.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Everything was going smooth, you know, playing sports every day,
like I said, football, baseball and basketball and hockey, and
you know, everything went good until I found out who
my real father was. And I found out in a
rough way because what happened was I walked into the
(01:40):
house and my stepfather, who I thought was my real father,
wanted to arm wrestle me. So I was arm wrestling,
but I you know, I was like nineteen years old.
I took it as a joke. And he was a big,
strong long shoreman and I beat him left hand, and
then he wanted to arm wrestle right hand, and I
beat him right hand, and then he tipped the table
over and he started to come at me with punches.
But I was like, nothing could bother me, you know
(02:01):
what I mean. He's throwing these punchers and I'm blocking them.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But this here's You're thinking, this is your father.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Absolutely, and it's like to me, it's like playfighting, you
know what I mean. And I was strong and so
nothing hurted me anyway. My mother walked in and screamed,
take your hands off my son, and I was like,
what you know what I mean, he's not your real son.
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And you were howled well, nineteen, so you're nineteen when
you figure.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Out nineteen twenty right around.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
There and then so she must have known there had
to be some a little tension in the house between
you and your stepdad.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, well, there was always tension, you know what I mean.
It was you're a good kid, but I didn't think
anything out of the order. Every like he would match
me with a son, which I found out later that
was his real son.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He was always bigger, so he would compare you or
match She would.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Match me and compete me with his son, who was
bigger and stronger. We'd have a fight over like let's
say a cod game. Come on going downstairs, We're going
to have to straighten this out. We went down the
cell of the fight, let off a bunch of punches.
He didn't win, and that was the last time he
invited us down stairs with his son. But I thought
he was my real brother. So I didn't think there
was anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So this is all normal. But did you see that
he might have been rooting for his side.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I didn't pay attention to that. That wasn't relevant to
me growing up exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And then mom comes down and then spits out what
she spits.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Out, Well, during that one incident, which was years later,
it wasn't during the fight with his son.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
No, this is nineteen This when you're nineteen.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right around nineteen twenty, and.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You say what at that point to your mom?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And I was like what, And then you know, tears
went from my eyes and I just gone on my
bike and just kept driving, driving through cities and just
kept going and trying to figure this whole thing out.
And at that point I felt deceived. You never want
to lie to your kids, that's number one. You never
want to deceive your kids because they're going to grow
up to hate you, you know what I mean, They're
gonna grow up with some type of bendetta.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So that's right, Okay, So if a mom deceives her child,
it's not protective.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's not no, because you have to be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
With your kids, no matter what age.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
No matter what you have to be honest with them.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No one asked you over there, blonde, you go ahead.
That was a selfish question that I just asked. Okay,
I know you don't think there's certain things children shouldn't
know so they're a little bit older.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I mean certain things. It depends on you know, but
something like that you should know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So you think your mom should have told you to
and she.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Should have ever changed my name at two years old,
I was an identity victim that had no say in it.
I was born Vincent Michael Marino. She changed it to Portella.
See when we all have the same name. And then
that caused a dilemma later in life because now when
I changed my name back legally through the courts, you know,
they think everything's fraud today. So you have to change
(04:43):
your solid security, you got to change your birth certificate.
It's a big headache.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And then you find out who your real dad is, correct,
and then you say, what I'm supposed to follow in
his footsteps?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, not necessarily. I wanted to meet that side of
the family, and we did. I met that side of
the family. They were from Shaka, Sicily commercial fisherman, and
my aunt was a successful restaurant tour. She had two restaurants,
one on Fleet Street in the north then called Bernado's,
and then she had one on Little Prince Street called
Kylum Marinos, named after my grandfather. I went to work
(05:14):
for her there and learned the restaurant business.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And would your dad do your real dad?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
My dad was only twenty years old when he died, No,
twenty two. He died about two three months before I
was born.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So he was was he a hood kid?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Was on the streets wild?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Pretty wild?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And your stepfather was what a police officer?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
He was? No? He was an international longshoreman. He was
a tough.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Travel around review. Excuse me, it's how rumors travel. I
heard that he was a police officer, but I know
he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, no, no, he was a long shoreman, my stepfather
you're talking about, right, Yeah, he was a long showman Irish.
He was actually half a time half Irish.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Okay, take it from there.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
What does a longshoreman mean?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Am I allowed to ask?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They unload the ships that come from all over the world.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And back then when he was along shoreman, everything was bulwark.
They had to walk. Now it's all machines. They're pushing
bottons and things are coming off. You know, my grandfather
was one, right, that's a blood.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
We don't care.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I need to know Jesus life. Now you're okay, We'll
let him speak when he can speak. I'm speaking to
you directly. And then you're the producer of the movie
like correct, okay, and you're the best, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's how we got this located.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'm going on right now. Okay, I got more Italians
in this room. I know what to do.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I didn't want you. Guys are tight, No, you're not tight.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, all right, So now mom and dad, Mom and
your stepdad stay together.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They do, they do, they do. But there was a
little turbulence in the family. He worked hard, but he'd
like to drink hard too, and when he drank, he
would get pretty much out of control.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And then you'd have to protect her.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Right, And of course, you know, as we got older
and got bigger and we got stronger, we protected a
little or proficient And I.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like that word. That's a good word. I like that word. Yeah,
that's a great word. I like that word. I think
that's a new word.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I need to use.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Tennis.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
What we're doing. And then at that point he couldn't
live in the same household as me because I got
very proficient at protecting her.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yes, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And I went and I.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Left and you left there, right, but.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I would come back here and they're just to taunt them.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, sometimes you have to do that kind of kept
them in life.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's still your mom, right, excuse me, it's still your
mom exactly. Jobs to protect her as that's a double
edged sword. You pissed at her because she didn't tell
you the truth, but you still want to protect her exactly.
But she was growing up.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
She was a good mom. She cooked for us, she
you know, clean. She was a very over disciplinary just
like myself father. They you know, nowadays you just want
to discipline your kids. You don't want to hit them.
I mean we got beat like we got hit with everything. Woods.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think pro was getting hit.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I believe in discipline. Like nowadays, the kids they're not disciplined.
You know, if the mother and.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Father goes to this, we don't discipline them at all.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
They tell them, they tell them in school when they
get arrested. So you have these brats growing up that
doesn't know the wood consequences or respect.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And my biggest problem, by the way, excuse me, my
biggest problem.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Right, And I don't think it's just your problem. I
think it's a lot of people's problem.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I know I think that, oh God, this sticking the camera. Okay,
we're going off to break. I'm sending stump when you're
listening to Toughest Nails on WBZ and we'll be right
back and welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ News
Radio ten thirty. And I'm sinding I'm here with go
ahead and let them go. Thatis what can you move? Listen,
I need personnel in the studio.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Dennis Petrosino okay, and Vincent.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Marino Okay, go ahead, Gigi, pick it up. I'm still
gonna always call you Gigi. I can't do the wor
no problem whatsoever?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Where do we leave off it?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I don't know. The kids didn't need to have consequences
in my bras right.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
These kids today, they're not growing up with discipline. And
I don't mean beach your kids, but discipline is necessarily
in a family because you want the kids to grow
up with respect for their mother and father and know
that there is consequences for anything you do wrong and
actually learn the word no, because if you don't learn
the word no when you're younger, you grow up and
become an uncontrollable monster. And you could spoil your kids.
(09:21):
It's not the right way to go. Let them earn
their dollar, let them earn respect, let them earn you know,
their living. Okay, you can help them a little head,
give them a little head. Stop. But today the parents
are just spoiling the kids so rotten they just don't
know the word respect.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Called I call the parents' wackerdoodles, and I call the
kids aliens. But it's okay, right, it is what it is.
We grew up in a different generation right where you
did respect.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
My college had to give you that eyebrow and I
went stage left. Oh sure, I didn't push, right, I
didn't push. Okay, take me from here.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Now you're twenty something and you decide what you're going
to do we with your life.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, I mean when I left high school, I
was on my way to come to State Trooper. I
took the test, and how I took this test was
pretty usual. I'm driving down the street in Broadway, Revere
and my friend that was a member of the Boxton
club that I was at belonged to. He was hitchhiking,
so I gave him a ride. He said, listen, can
you give me to ride a Boston State College? I
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have to take a state Civil Service exam. And so
I said, yeah, jump in. So I gave a ride.
So I'm on my way to Boston State College. He goes,
why don't you take the test with me? I said,
I'm not interested. He goes, oh, I'm going to take
the test. You should take the test. It's only like
twenty dollars. I took the test, I passed. He flunked,
and ended up being the state police exam. I got
like an eighty six on it. He flunked. So they
(10:45):
called me to the academy to do the physical agility
tests and all that stuff. And I passed it fluently.
And then they say, listen, you're perfect for this job,
but we can't hire you because a proposition two and
a half back then, back in nineteen eighty, Proposition two
and a half was we can't hire white people. We
have to hire minorities first, even if they got a
(11:05):
sixty on the exam compared to your eighty six, and
I got bumped. And that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You got bumped because of DII.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I got bumped because I wasn't a minority and because
of that proposition two and a half. So from that
point on.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I so if you didn't get bumped, there's a good
chance you was stata.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I mean probably been good sense. I was going to
become a state trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, that doesn't happen playing the state for them. No,
it is what it is, right, So that's a conversation
for another day. But because of that, now you decide
you're going to go from the legal path.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It wasn't like that quick. I mean I was always working.
I started washing dishes at Durgon Park, making twenty five
cash a day.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I remember that place you used to call your ass
and this and that, yell at you, scream with you,
those ways to says down to fear your house. That
was part of the game.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What do you want? What do you want? What do
you want?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That like our version of Dick slass resort. I don't
know what Dick's class resort was. That's what they did.
They yell you, Oh yeah, they yell Okay, So you're
out there working. Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And like I said, I was making twenty five cash
a day. I was a you know, a rich little
kid like because I was making money. Not that I
was rich, but you know, I was making twenty five
cash a day back then when I was doing teen years.
Oh that was a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And then so I always worked, all right, So you've
always been a worker.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Then I worked as a bouncer for Deja Vu, the
Harbor House and Lynn. I don't if you remember that
cross from Jacob Lowd.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Those are my stopping grounds. So Daja Vu, I'm working
there as a waitress out by the pool with crazy
a Nastas.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Okay, so remember Frankie deepas quality.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Frankie is a very different was with my.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I used to work for them.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay. So we are Joe with Joe Cataldo, Tony the Brother,
all the crazies, my father and Max. Well wow, so yeah,
so now you're talking to the hob House.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, walk some night Monday night.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
The rock clubs, Aerosmith would come out, not let us
know they're even coming out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Greek Night on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And then we had Jacob's Ladder on a Sunday night,
Sunday night, and Monday night.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
If we have Monday, I think it was Monday Monday night.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, yep. We all grew up in the same yeah,
doing the same. So now what goes on in Gigi.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, so since I'm on my own because I got
thrown out of the house, now I have to make
a living. Just working as a bouncer at the night
club is just not going to do it. So I
shoted graduating to stick ups and other things, and.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, let's go there, graduate to stick.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Actually nobody got killed, No, we got hurt. I got
my money.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, so stick ups meant what I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Robbie's like where Robin things just things, everything, everything, anything
can get my hands on.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Were you down the North End doing it?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I was everywhere everywhere that there was money.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Were you sticking up your own?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Never? Never?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So you didn't go down the North End act like an.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Ass sticking up those guys?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, No, So when they when you decided that, okay,
we're going to go from sticking up to what.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Of course it's over the statue of limitations.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Okay, a long long time ago, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
We're only going to talk about anything that can't hurt
you here, right right, So we're gonna be very careful
and we can always and if we say something wrong,
because that's why I would not never bring you on live. Okay,
So we go to stick ups and then I hear
this is me now, this is what I hear, and
this is what's coming to me. So statue might mean
(14:37):
nothing here I'm hearing Gijus taken over the North End.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, that just doesn't happen it one day. I
get that I'm saying, And that's basically something that you know,
sometimes people just pumping stuff up in the newspaper too,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Were you ready to take over that area? Did you
want that?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean, the North End was just a little small
area that the Jewels ran forever, right, they ran it
for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, did you want that area?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean it was probably podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Let me ask you a bigger question. Did you want
to become the big guy down there?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I mean, when I was younger, I probably had that ambition.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You got to go back in time now.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, I have to go back in time. I mean,
of course, nowadays.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Your philosophy is going to be different now, right Exactly,
You've spent how many years in jail?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Twenty eight since nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Six, So you went into jail at what.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Age thirty five and left at sixty three and.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
At thirty five when God put it, they got you
on what say that again? When they got you? Right,
how did you get you?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Actually they created manufactured the whole case. Okay, it's political.
The government instigated the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Case because they won another Italian off the streets.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Absolutely, I mean, that's definitely one of the prongs today.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So they said, let's get the let's get the guinea
off the streets before he gets some traction underneath them.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right, Well, especially when you know I wasn't their informant,
which a lot of them were.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And that's what dearing lies the problem. You knew that
you were coming in at a time right after the
jewels all get put away, there's all rats going on,
there's no loyalty. Did you think you were going to
get the loyalty out of these guys?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well? You young, remember a lot of this stuff wasn't
exposed back then. Eventually it did get exposed. So you
know when I was coming up. It was starting to
get exposed little by little, but it took years to
be exposed because the FBI informants were a lot of
the serial killer informants.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So hold on here, you're thirty, I'm trying to do
my from my age ninety six, thirty five. Well, we
already knew why the Bulger was an informant.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, it was, it was. It was in the paper
in nineteen eighty eight, and then they retracted because they
didn't want to get everybody killed. So it was there.
There was a leak, and some people thought he was,
some people didn't think it was, and some people thought
it was medium manipulation trying to get him killed or whatever.
So there's, you know, there's two versions to that. So
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nobody really knew for a fact he was, and then
later they found out.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Later the whole world followed exactly, but a lot of
people did.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
After twenty something, thirty something murders later, Yeah, by an
infloyment being protected by the.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
FBI, and he's in jail too.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Still well, yeah, eventually they target him and he goes
to jail and he ends up getting killed by suppose
he hypothetically three Boston.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Guys, how many stents in jail did you do?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I lost count, but overall I did, But overall?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay, your first time thirty five years, we've done thirty
five years.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Your first time that you was going and a half
years in the Hampshire cre prison. How old I was
in my twenties?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So okay, I'm gonna put my head in your head.
I go to jail in my early twenty right, maybe
middle twenties. Yeah, and you got two and a half years.
Was that enough to make you come out and say,
you know what, maybe I don't want to fly down
this road?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Actually no, it was. It was more like excitement to me.
It wasn't anything like, hey listen, let's not go this way.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It was work all the time, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So you guys, okay, you come out after two and
a half years, and how long before you're back in there? Ah?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well that was like what I went back home that thought.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Commercial break, This is Cindy Stumpo. You listen Toughest Nails
on WBZ. Will be right back and welcome back to
Toughest Nails on WBZ. And I'm City Stumpo and let's
go sanmy.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Tempo and I'm Dennis Petrosino, Vincent gig Marino, and Rex
upon went.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
When did we evencome? Vincent, I'd always known you as Gigi.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, I was born Vincent Michael Marino. Okay, my nickname
Gigi came from my grandfather on my mother's side, to
Santapio Santapio's Pizza in East Boston.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
This ck house waity with santapo was yours too.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That was No, it wasn't mine specifically, it was my cousin,
my family, my year. My mother was a Santapio and
her father, which was my grandfather, was Vincent Giggi Santapio,
who was one of the biggest bookmakers in New England history.
Back in sixty years ago. He was making like nine
man a year. But he was a good guy. He
was one of eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Sixty years ago he was making about nine million a year.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Do you know what that is today?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I can't do the numbers right now my brain either. Okay,
but nine million dollars a year year? What year?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Oh, it was like sixty years ago, so figured out
n three nineteen sixty four maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So this is all on your dad's side. No, my
mother's side, So your mom was also tied into my
mother craziness too.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
My mother father was one of eighteen brothers and sisters,
and when they came over, they had to feed the family.
So one was a baker, one was a pizza maker,
one was a seamstress, one was a book maker, one
was a gywalk one was professional boxer. They all had
a feece.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Some people don't know what charlocks are.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
They loan money at an interest rate and you have
to pay it, and if you don't pay it, usually
something bad happens.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now they're called hard money guys, but I see money guys.
I like that is that now the illegal they're all
called hard money guys.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But in the day, it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You didn't pay, you didn't pay, Yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So I even hear the word hard money guys when
I started building a twenty three, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Like, it's equated with the Uh it goes right for that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, it goes right to that world to me. So like,
I'm like, you have hard money, guys, would be crazy.
You're gonna lose a couple of legs.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Nice way of saying it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Now, hard money guys. You know they've legalized that business. Okay,
So now you come out of jail and then you're
back in jail. How much longer?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well, let's do the math. Uh, firearm charge nineteen eighty nine,
so it wasn't that long, maybe a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
So now firearm charge, right.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A firearms charge okayed by the state police.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So you got in trouble for holding a weapon, right,
and they put you in jail for how much long?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay? Now it was originally a stage.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
There's more going on behind the scenes. They're just getting
you on them. There's what There's more going on behind
the scenes, but this is what they get you on exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So seven hours after so let me get shot, I
get rested with a firearms.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
With three other people, and that's what they accused you of.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, they had me suspect in it. So they're doing
the math. They're saying there was four people in the car,
but four people just got rested with firearms. So they're
trying to say that the four that got rest of
the firearms was the ones that were responsible for the
celembia attempt that the government instigated and fermented the violence,
which not too many people know.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So when you look back and we'll go forward and backwards.
Everything you've seen with your corruption, the governments is corrupted as.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You guys, probably more a little edge with that, you know, dge.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
They get the edge with the badge.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
They have a license to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I've been saying this for thirty years. But they're basically no, no, no, no,
you know. But okay, so now they get you in
a fire on possession and then they move you to where.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Okay, I get arrested by the state. So I was
in every police station for three days. I get bill,
I go to who's your lawyer?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Back then?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Edward gon Jewel, excellent lawyer, former district attorney, excellent lawyer. Yeah,
I know it, great lawyer. He uh was my lawyer.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And but most of the guys who are using the
guy at the Brookline, what's his name? Another tang guy
who's that You're gonna ask my brain right now? Who
not Ballero? I didn't trust Ballero?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, Richie Egbert was a big well which she was
the mountain? Was he from over there?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Leppo is a Newton guy. He wasn't as big. Another
one that's chess and Hilaria, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Trying to remember. Yeah, I know exactly Frank something.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Frank, Yes, Frank is his last name. Wow, he handled
Joey whye right, so but Frank, yeah, he was like.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I know exactly that wasable where I live.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
A good lawyer, not the good lawyer, but Eggbroke was one.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Of the best, right, definitely is one of the best.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So now you're back in the can right on a
gun charge.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Correct, but it's deeper than that.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
But they get you on the gun charge, right.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And they have they only made it federal to basically
to squeeze me, hoping I would come forward with the
to be a rat, right, in which that never happened.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, so now you go spend how many more years
and you.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
All together four and a half on that. The only
reason the gun charge right, only reason why I didn't
get more time because back then, in nineteen eighty nine,
eighteen us C. Chection nine twenty two G one found
the possession of firearm carried zero to five, but then
it jumped after that to zero to ten. But I
still wuldn't have got that much signed because they had
no prior drug violent convictions. And that's when it enhances
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your sentence up to fifteen to life if you have
a prior drug violent convictions. It's called I'm correct criminal
or correct criminal. And I wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So are you amazed that guys like break into people's
homes home time? So say that's again, hold on, give
me a second armed home invasions getting an ankle bracelet
out on one thousand dollars and not having to cover a.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Lot of some When you see people get sweet hot
deals like that, they'd usually something behind it.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
They usually we've had a lot of problems with migrants
and Brookline and that's what.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
They were, right.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But when people get that usually like like you get
a liberal file left judge Democrat, they'll probably let them out,
you know what I mean. But and if they do
get a good deal like that, they get on bail.
Use it. They told the police something to get that
sweet hot deal. That's what you u happens, all.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Right, So now you're back in jail, You come out
of jail, and Gegi still doesn't want to fly.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, eighty nine, I was only on the street. Probably
before this was like three years, so actually since eighty nine,
it was only on the streets. For like three years.
So and then they creating manufacture a drug case against
me East Coast, West Coast thing John Smiley Meal, he's
wearing a wire. He's from BC. And Charlie mcconniald from ME.
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C's wearing a wire. John Smiley meetings all the time.
Mcconnald's half a time, half Irish. They both have wires
and they both working for two different agencies, and they
don't know about each other, and they're both tigging to me.
So mcconnald's wearing a wire.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
One doesn't know their target.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They don't. Yeah, they don't know about each other because
it's two different stings on me at the same time.
So mcconnald's wife by the FBI tiggering to me and
me Lee on a conspiracy. Me Lee's TI is wired
by the DA tiggering me and McConnell. We both we
all go out to Vegas in Arizona and there's still
this you know, this this sting on me. But guess what,
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there's not a crime because I can't conspire with no
agents or informats of government. I lose fifteen thousand hypothetically
on a buy which I can't conspire with agents are
informers of the government, So really there was no crime committed.
Then when they find out that there was no crime committed,
they said, oh my god, this guy's going to let go.
And they don't tell me that there was no crime committed.
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They have me pleading out to something that's not a crime,
so my brother wouldn't get arrested. I took a ten
year hit, but they volunteered the informant. I took a
ten year hit right at the same time, I get
hit with a RICO racketeering influence corupt the organization at
the same time. They created the RICO because they were
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losing that case because if they had to come forward
with the discovery, it would be no crime. So they
don't want to let me go, so they throw me
on this RICO case. I really have nothing to do with.
They told me on this case. And what happened was
I got thirty five on the RICO and I got
the ten cocoment with the thirty five. But they didn't
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disclose that McConnell was an informant. Obviously, we knew Mealy
was informed because he testified on my RICO case. So
by them not disclosing it. I had this conviction and
a loss of fifteen thousand supposed to buy money, which
wasn't a crime.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Gigi.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Everything you've said, they've not caught you on Murdy yet,
They've not got you on anything nothing.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Everything was heresay, he said, She said, The informists can't
understand that. My Rico Troal says, what do you know
about Jigi? Well, he did this, he shot this one,
stabbed this one. Did you see it? No? How do
you know? I read in the newspaper or I saw
it on the news. Nobody was physically seen. It was
no tangible evidence.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Do you think when you got to that twenty something
year old stage you just had a lot of anger
in you?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yes, and you had a point to prove.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Was definitely anger for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
If you could look back now and go back to
those days, would you've done anything different.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Not had the anger? I probably would eliminate the anger.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Pot So you think the anger is what put you
on the streets.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm thinking so, you know, because I got there.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
There a long time to think about in the king
to see, Yeah, you are in a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And I certainly did, and I got to see it,
and like I said, the best revenge is to be
healthy and successful.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I say the best revenge is living a good life.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But but successful one being healthy lives a good life.
If you're not healthy, you're not going to live a
good life because you're not gonna be around. So you
have to be health.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That stage, you're only about street justice, okay, And a
lot of us Boston people, we can't get that out
of our heads, right. It's just never leaving us, right,
And that's just the way we were raised. Hold that thought,
we're gonna break. I'm Sinny stumbling you listening to Toughest
Nails and we'll be right back. And welcome back to
Toughest Nails on WBZ and Dennis I hear you with
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Terra Smith. But that was our group, guys. That was
our Boston group. That was our Revere groupial group of Rever.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
What's that official group of rev.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Absolutely official group of Revere. Okay, I'm just trying to
get past all the I'll go back to there, but
I'm trying to get how many years straight? So your
next stunt in jail, stint and jail is when that was?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, So I did a two and a half in
the state, and then I did four and a half
in the federal. Then I was out on the street
well three years, and then I picked up twenty eight straight.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So you actually had how many years on the street before?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Three since nineteen eighty nine, not counting the time my mouth.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
So the three years you were on the streets out
of all these years, and they put you in jail
for all this length of time, what was the best
they got you on?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Actually evaning was he said? She said here say they
really had no independently.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Grab how'd you end up spending?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So because I have a corrupt judge, Nathaniel, I'm going
thirty three degree mason, multi billionaire. He never went by
the ruse, He didn't go by the constitution. Every time
my lawyer, Robert Sheketov was a good lawyer. It was
a Russian Jewish guy, excellent lawyer. Every time he brought
up the white balls to see rife mcflemy andrew sonny
maccurial corruption with John Cornley, the judge would threaten my
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lure in court, say you mention them names again, I'm
holding your contempt to court. So we couldn't get the discovery.
The real truth out and we wasn't getting the discovery
from the government because they were concailing it because it
proved egregious governmental misconduct.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Do you think they were trying to put the Flemy
shooting on.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You the celem They were definitely well, I was charging.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Me while that was Diane's father.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I was charged with it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I was indicted for it. It was over the Satchel limitations,
so it wasn't a substantive act, which would have made
it stronger. It was a recal predicate act, which is
very weak. So they did it within a ten year
span because the five year satue already ran out. It
was seven years, nine months, four days when I got
indicted for it, and they had no proof that I
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had any involvement whatsoever. They Michael Buckley was a corrupt
FBI agent. Was John Cornley's pounder who was way way
the one. Well, he just got out. I got forty
years for a murder. He got out. He did ten
in the FEDS.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I thought, Colly they let up, maybe because he got out.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He got on the campature at least on in the state.
He had forty years for murder in Florida, who he
got out but Buckley was his partner. Buckley was far
worse than Conley. Buckley slipped through the cracks.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm confused. You're telling me Conley's now out of jail.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
He's been out of jail way before I got out
about the FBA. Yeah, the FBI agent, he got out.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I thought he got cancer.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
No, he got out. Well, whether that was he got
cancer or not, he got out. He's still alive. He
got out. He got out years before me. Okay, But Buckley,
the agent, was far worse than Conley. He slipped through
the cracks.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What do they have you on? The worst thing that
you did?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Conspiracy the murder. Conspiracy's murders me and you can be
talking about killing this guy or that guy. And there's
no overdeck required to be convicted. So therefore it's not
a violent crime. If you look at creonas versus the
Attorney General out of the Third Circuit twenty nineteen and
McCollum versus the United States out of the Fourth Circuit
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clearly and concededly says it's not a violent crime because
it's an aquitic crime and it has no substance. So
I got convicted of conspiracy the murder and the maximum
I should have got was ten years. I got it
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Say were you getting cocaine conspiracy? We go charges right?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I was convicted of two predicate acts cocaine conspiracy and conspiracy,
the murder conspiracy. The murder maximum charge is ten years.
They gave me a twenty five year enhancement for the
June sixteen, eighty nine Selem attempted murder that the jury
found me not proven beyond a reasonable doubt on December
twenty second, nineteen ninety nine as predicate Act A two
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and Rico and Reco conspiracy. Then they enhanced me for
the suiser murder that I wasn't even indicted for that
my co defend and admitted killing the guy to protect
his son because he killed his son.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm confused now, Yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, I got a hanced.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Was the question, they're paying attention to you? Okay, I think,
using my common sense and knowing that world the way
I know it, they knew you were making traction, So
we're going to do anything to take you down. That's
just my take on. So they had to find a
way to put you in that can, and they created
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manufactured decrease because as I was hearing and it could
be false. Right again, this is rumors again. Guys are
going off the buildings the north then right like there's
a lot going on. So and somebody had to run.
They tell him up, if you never got put away,
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would you have stayed in there and became the made
man there? You think?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I mean, anything is possible. But what I'm what I'm
saying is they instigated the whole thing. I was walking
in my house one day and Cornley, Callen and Buckley
approached me and said, FBI, we're here to warn you,
Frank celem Me's trying to kill you. They go and
bump into my my friend's lawyer at Joe Tecci's restaurant,
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and John Connley, the agent, tells Anti Continial the lawyer
that so let Me's trying to kill his client forever.
So what the government did was instigated fermented violence, you understand.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So they put in your head that they're going to
kill you to get them before they let me, who.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Was a professional bomb maker who was successful with Bobosa
and wiping out the Irish Marmon child sound single handley
to both of them and they're letting me think that
this guy's trying to kill me, you know, so they
instigate them fermented violence.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So they're just playing a whole big game, right.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And there's a book called cornteil Pro where they go
within an organization and have everybody kill each other and
then they arrest everybody later. You have to read the book,
go and tel pro. It was a method that Jay
Egar Hoover used, destroy from within.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And then you come out of jail all these years later,
you've given up more than half your life in jail.
Was it really worth it?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I mean, none of it was words, But whoever counted
on the corruption? They created a manufactured create. I got
a twenty five year enhancement for conduct. I beat a
trial that can't happen in a civilized, democratic society.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
So your constitutional rights were taken away?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, I mean you enhanced my the judge enhanced my
sentence for crime I was found not proven by a
jury beyond a reasonable doubt. How do you do that now?
Amendment one of the US Sentence Commission comes along says
that illegally can't do it. That came out November one,
twenty twenty four. McClinton out of Spreme Court unanimously says
you can't do it, and Congress Bipartisan Republican Democrats HR
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sixteen sixteen twenty one and Bill S six or one
or all on boards saying it's illegal, you can't do it.
And they did it, and I got away with it,
and I finished the time.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Let me ask your presal now I'm gonna I'm going
to ask you. You're just an opinion. I'm not asking.
This is just how they say it. What you think, okay,
doesn't mean it's factual. How come every time the Italians
start to make movement in Boston, legs come right underneath them.
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But then you get all the other Vietnamese, Russian blah
blah blah blah. Why is it always the Italians had
taken down?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Because it's a vendetta. What happened was years ago when
the Irish controlled the bootleg and the organised organized crime
in Boston. I'm talking years ago with Kennedy. There's a
book right, it's called Pattywocks. You have to read the
book what is by TJ. English, very good book. It's
about nine hundred thousand pages thousand nine two one thousand pages.
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You have to Yeah, you come download it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You have to read this book, a very good book. Well,
at the time, the Irish got called Patty Whack, got
whack throughout the country that were controlling all the bulltlegg
and hypothetically by the Italian. So what ended up happening
is the Irish got smart and said, hey, let's become cops,
let's become prosecutors, let's become judges. And I have a
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lot of good Irish friends. Don't get me wrong, then
I'm not like that. And that's what happened. It was
a vendetta. So when they became prosecutors and judges and
lawyers and politicians and agents and cops, it was get
back time. And that's what happened. There was a vendetta.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It is amazing. It's like Balder and his brother right,
one became a politician and one became Whity.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
A serial killer round.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So that seemed to be the thing.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So you take Federal Hill up in Rhode Island, Irish
Italian and it's you've watched the show Brotherhood. I don't
know it goes way back, but it seems like they
went down that road to protect their own people.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You're talking about who I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Talking about when the Irish became cops. Oh yeah, yeah,
they use that at their viaa.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
But then they.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
They're getting globes, they're getting everything right.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They weaponized their position of power, so it became a vendetta,
you know what I'm saying. And that's basically what happened.
And throughout the years it was just an animosity type
of thing. And but they had the positions, you know,
they weaponized the judicial system, you know, being uh, prosecutors
and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
When did you wake up and realize what the hell
did I do with my life?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
You don't care?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Still?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh? I mean, of course I care. I mean, but
like I said, I can't control the corruption.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh that thought we was going to break. I'm sitting
stumbling you listen. Toughes Nails on WBZ will be right
back and welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ. Sammy
take it from here, Gigi. We really like you to
come back because there's obviously so much more that we
haven't heard. So can you come back next Saturday night?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Absolutely would love to.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
We would love to have you. Perfect. Great, We'll pick
this up next weekend. Everybody, have a great safe weekend
and we will see you next week. This is Cindy
Stompo Toughest Nails on WBZ and have a great safe
weekend
And welcome to Cindy Stumpo toughest Nails on wb Z,
and we are here tonight with who Sammy Stumpo. Okay,
let's go, let's move it. Come on, Dennis, get a
personality the mic.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Come on, Dennis Patrisino. Okay, Rex Obama, Vincenti.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Morino, Okay, Vincent, tell my listeners, who are you?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Vincent Chigi Marino I was.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Born closer to the Mike Honey.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Vincent Chisei Marino. I was born in Boston, grew up
in Revere, lived in East Boston, and lived in the
North End. I had the benefits of three cities.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You got Revere.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I was born in Boston. Yeah, grew up in Revere.
I lived in East and I lived in the North.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
End, around a bunch of Italians, your home, A bunch
of good guys, A bunch of good guys. Okay, where
do you want to start with your story? You tell me.
I guess we can say take it from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I guess we can start where. I grew up
in the Revere projects, play sports every day, football base.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
By the way, Ray, Yes, you did grow up with Gigi. Okay,
So I just want you to realize that your reputation
in high school in Revere was a solid kid, good kid,
easy going, great guy.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Right, that was your reputation an athlete, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Student and athlete. Okay, he had the whole You had
everything going for you. Okay, take it from there.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Everything was going smooth, you know, playing sports every day,
like I said, football, baseball and basketball and hockey, and
you know, everything went good until I found out who
my real father was. And I found out in a
rough way because what happened was I walked into the
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house and my stepfather, who I thought was my real father,
wanted to arm wrestle me. So I was arm wrestling,
but I you know, I was like nineteen years old.
I took it as a joke. And he was a big,
strong long shoreman and I beat him left hand, and
then he wanted to arm wrestle right hand, and I
beat him right hand, and then he tipped the table
over and he started to come at me with punches.
But I was like, nothing could bother me, you know
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what I mean. He's throwing these punchers and I'm blocking them.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But this here's You're thinking, this is your father.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Absolutely, and it's like to me, it's like playfighting, you
know what I mean. And I was strong and so
nothing hurted me anyway. My mother walked in and screamed,
take your hands off my son, and I was like,
what you know what I mean, he's not your real son.
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And you were howled well, nineteen, so you're nineteen when
you figure.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Out nineteen twenty right around.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
There and then so she must have known there had
to be some a little tension in the house between
you and your stepdad.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, well, there was always tension, you know what I mean.
It was you're a good kid, but I didn't think
anything out of the order. Every like he would match
me with a son, which I found out later that
was his real son.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He was always bigger, so he would compare you or
match She would.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Match me and compete me with his son, who was
bigger and stronger. We'd have a fight over like let's
say a cod game. Come on going downstairs, We're going
to have to straighten this out. We went down the
cell of the fight, let off a bunch of punches.
He didn't win, and that was the last time he
invited us down stairs with his son. But I thought
he was my real brother. So I didn't think there
was anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So this is all normal. But did you see that
he might have been rooting for his side.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I didn't pay attention to that. That wasn't relevant to
me growing up exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And then mom comes down and then spits out what
she spits.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Out, Well, during that one incident, which was years later,
it wasn't during the fight with his son.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
No, this is nineteen This when you're nineteen.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right around nineteen twenty, and.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You say what at that point to your mom?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And I was like what, And then you know, tears
went from my eyes and I just gone on my
bike and just kept driving, driving through cities and just
kept going and trying to figure this whole thing out.
And at that point I felt deceived. You never want
to lie to your kids, that's number one. You never
want to deceive your kids because they're going to grow
up to hate you, you know what I mean, They're
gonna grow up with some type of bendetta.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So that's right, Okay, So if a mom deceives her child,
it's not protective.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's not no, because you have to be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
With your kids, no matter what age.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
No matter what you have to be honest with them.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No one asked you over there, blonde, you go ahead.
That was a selfish question that I just asked. Okay,
I know you don't think there's certain things children shouldn't
know so they're a little bit older.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I mean certain things. It depends on you know, but
something like that you should know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So you think your mom should have told you to
and she.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Should have ever changed my name at two years old,
I was an identity victim that had no say in it.
I was born Vincent Michael Marino. She changed it to Portella.
See when we all have the same name. And then
that caused a dilemma later in life because now when
I changed my name back legally through the courts, you know,
they think everything's fraud today. So you have to change
(04:43):
your solid security, you got to change your birth certificate.
It's a big headache.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And then you find out who your real dad is, correct,
and then you say, what I'm supposed to follow in
his footsteps?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, not necessarily. I wanted to meet that side of
the family, and we did. I met that side of
the family. They were from Shaka, Sicily commercial fisherman, and
my aunt was a successful restaurant tour. She had two restaurants,
one on Fleet Street in the north then called Bernado's,
and then she had one on Little Prince Street called
Kylum Marinos, named after my grandfather. I went to work
(05:14):
for her there and learned the restaurant business.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And would your dad do your real dad?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
My dad was only twenty years old when he died, No,
twenty two. He died about two three months before I
was born.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So he was was he a hood kid?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Was on the streets wild?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Pretty wild?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And your stepfather was what a police officer?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
He was? No? He was an international longshoreman. He was
a tough.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Travel around review. Excuse me, it's how rumors travel. I
heard that he was a police officer, but I know
he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, no, no, he was a long shoreman, my stepfather
you're talking about, right, Yeah, he was a long showman Irish.
He was actually half a time half Irish.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Okay, take it from there.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
What does a longshoreman mean?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Am I allowed to ask?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They unload the ships that come from all over the world.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And back then when he was along shoreman, everything was bulwark.
They had to walk. Now it's all machines. They're pushing
bottons and things are coming off. You know, my grandfather
was one, right, that's a blood.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
We don't care.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I need to know Jesus life. Now you're okay, We'll
let him speak when he can speak. I'm speaking to
you directly. And then you're the producer of the movie
like correct, okay, and you're the best, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's how we got this located.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'm going on right now. Okay, I got more Italians
in this room. I know what to do.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I didn't want you. Guys are tight, No, you're not tight.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, all right, So now mom and dad, Mom and
your stepdad stay together.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They do, they do, they do. But there was a
little turbulence in the family. He worked hard, but he'd
like to drink hard too, and when he drank, he
would get pretty much out of control.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And then you'd have to protect her.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Right, And of course, you know, as we got older
and got bigger and we got stronger, we protected a
little or proficient And I.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like that word. That's a good word. I like that word. Yeah,
that's a great word. I like that word. I think
that's a new word.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I need to use.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Tennis.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
What we're doing. And then at that point he couldn't
live in the same household as me because I got
very proficient at protecting her.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yes, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And I went and I.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Left and you left there, right, but.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I would come back here and they're just to taunt them.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, sometimes you have to do that kind of kept
them in life.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's still your mom, right, excuse me, it's still your
mom exactly. Jobs to protect her as that's a double
edged sword. You pissed at her because she didn't tell
you the truth, but you still want to protect her exactly.
But she was growing up.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
She was a good mom. She cooked for us, she
you know, clean. She was a very over disciplinary just
like myself father. They you know, nowadays you just want
to discipline your kids. You don't want to hit them.
I mean we got beat like we got hit with everything. Woods.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think pro was getting hit.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I believe in discipline. Like nowadays, the kids they're not disciplined.
You know, if the mother and.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Father goes to this, we don't discipline them at all.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
They tell them, they tell them in school when they
get arrested. So you have these brats growing up that
doesn't know the wood consequences or respect.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And my biggest problem, by the way, excuse me, my
biggest problem.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Right, And I don't think it's just your problem. I
think it's a lot of people's problem.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I know I think that, oh God, this sticking the camera. Okay,
we're going off to break. I'm sending stump when you're
listening to Toughest Nails on WBZ and we'll be right
back and welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ News
Radio ten thirty. And I'm sinding I'm here with go
ahead and let them go. Thatis what can you move? Listen,
I need personnel in the studio.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Dennis Petrosino okay, and Vincent.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Marino Okay, go ahead, Gigi, pick it up. I'm still
gonna always call you Gigi. I can't do the wor
no problem whatsoever?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Where do we leave off it?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I don't know. The kids didn't need to have consequences
in my bras right.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
These kids today, they're not growing up with discipline. And
I don't mean beach your kids, but discipline is necessarily
in a family because you want the kids to grow
up with respect for their mother and father and know
that there is consequences for anything you do wrong and
actually learn the word no, because if you don't learn
the word no when you're younger, you grow up and
become an uncontrollable monster. And you could spoil your kids.
(09:21):
It's not the right way to go. Let them earn
their dollar, let them earn respect, let them earn you know,
their living. Okay, you can help them a little head,
give them a little head. Stop. But today the parents
are just spoiling the kids so rotten they just don't
know the word respect.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Called I call the parents' wackerdoodles, and I call the
kids aliens. But it's okay, right, it is what it is.
We grew up in a different generation right where you
did respect.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
My college had to give you that eyebrow and I
went stage left. Oh sure, I didn't push, right, I
didn't push. Okay, take me from here.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Now you're twenty something and you decide what you're going
to do we with your life.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, I mean when I left high school, I
was on my way to come to State Trooper. I
took the test, and how I took this test was
pretty usual. I'm driving down the street in Broadway, Revere
and my friend that was a member of the Boxton
club that I was at belonged to. He was hitchhiking,
so I gave him a ride. He said, listen, can
you give me to ride a Boston State College? I
(10:22):
have to take a state Civil Service exam. And so
I said, yeah, jump in. So I gave a ride.
So I'm on my way to Boston State College. He goes,
why don't you take the test with me? I said,
I'm not interested. He goes, oh, I'm going to take
the test. You should take the test. It's only like
twenty dollars. I took the test, I passed. He flunked,
and ended up being the state police exam. I got
like an eighty six on it. He flunked. So they
(10:45):
called me to the academy to do the physical agility
tests and all that stuff. And I passed it fluently.
And then they say, listen, you're perfect for this job,
but we can't hire you because a proposition two and
a half back then, back in nineteen eighty, Proposition two
and a half was we can't hire white people. We
have to hire minorities first, even if they got a
(11:05):
sixty on the exam compared to your eighty six, and
I got bumped. And that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You got bumped because of DII.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I got bumped because I wasn't a minority and because
of that proposition two and a half. So from that
point on.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I so if you didn't get bumped, there's a good
chance you was stata.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I mean probably been good sense. I was going to
become a state trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, that doesn't happen playing the state for them. No,
it is what it is, right, So that's a conversation
for another day. But because of that, now you decide
you're going to go from the legal path.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It wasn't like that quick. I mean I was always working.
I started washing dishes at Durgon Park, making twenty five
cash a day.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I remember that place you used to call your ass
and this and that, yell at you, scream with you,
those ways to says down to fear your house. That
was part of the game.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What do you want? What do you want? What do
you want?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That like our version of Dick slass resort. I don't
know what Dick's class resort was. That's what they did.
They yell you, Oh yeah, they yell Okay, So you're
out there working. Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And like I said, I was making twenty five cash
a day. I was a you know, a rich little
kid like because I was making money. Not that I
was rich, but you know, I was making twenty five
cash a day back then when I was doing teen years.
Oh that was a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And then so I always worked, all right, So you've
always been a worker.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Then I worked as a bouncer for Deja Vu, the
Harbor House and Lynn. I don't if you remember that
cross from Jacob Lowd.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Those are my stopping grounds. So Daja Vu, I'm working
there as a waitress out by the pool with crazy
a Nastas.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Okay, so remember Frankie deepas quality.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Frankie is a very different was with my.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I used to work for them.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay. So we are Joe with Joe Cataldo, Tony the Brother,
all the crazies, my father and Max. Well wow, so yeah,
so now you're talking to the hob House.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, walk some night Monday night.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
The rock clubs, Aerosmith would come out, not let us
know they're even coming out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Greek Night on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And then we had Jacob's Ladder on a Sunday night,
Sunday night, and Monday night.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
If we have Monday, I think it was Monday Monday night.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, yep. We all grew up in the same yeah,
doing the same. So now what goes on in Gigi.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, so since I'm on my own because I got
thrown out of the house, now I have to make
a living. Just working as a bouncer at the night
club is just not going to do it. So I
shoted graduating to stick ups and other things, and.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, let's go there, graduate to stick.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Actually nobody got killed, No, we got hurt. I got
my money.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, so stick ups meant what I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Robbie's like where Robin things just things, everything, everything, anything
can get my hands on.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Were you down the North End doing it?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I was everywhere everywhere that there was money.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Were you sticking up your own?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Never? Never?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So you didn't go down the North End act like an.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Ass sticking up those guys?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, No, So when they when you decided that, okay,
we're going to go from sticking up to what.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Of course it's over the statue of limitations.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Okay, a long long time ago, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
We're only going to talk about anything that can't hurt
you here, right right, So we're gonna be very careful
and we can always and if we say something wrong,
because that's why I would not never bring you on live. Okay,
So we go to stick ups and then I hear
this is me now, this is what I hear, and
this is what's coming to me. So statue might mean
(14:37):
nothing here I'm hearing Gijus taken over the North End.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, that just doesn't happen it one day. I
get that I'm saying, And that's basically something that you know,
sometimes people just pumping stuff up in the newspaper too,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Were you ready to take over that area? Did you
want that?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean, the North End was just a little small
area that the Jewels ran forever, right, they ran it
for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, did you want that area?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean it was probably podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Let me ask you a bigger question. Did you want
to become the big guy down there?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I mean, when I was younger, I probably had that ambition.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You got to go back in time now.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, I have to go back in time. I mean,
of course, nowadays.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Your philosophy is going to be different now, right Exactly,
You've spent how many years in jail?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Twenty eight since nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Six, So you went into jail at what.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Age thirty five and left at sixty three and.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
At thirty five when God put it, they got you
on what say that again? When they got you? Right,
how did you get you?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Actually they created manufactured the whole case. Okay, it's political.
The government instigated the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Case because they won another Italian off the streets.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Absolutely, I mean, that's definitely one of the prongs today.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So they said, let's get the let's get the guinea
off the streets before he gets some traction underneath them.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right, Well, especially when you know I wasn't their informant,
which a lot of them were.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And that's what dearing lies the problem. You knew that
you were coming in at a time right after the
jewels all get put away, there's all rats going on,
there's no loyalty. Did you think you were going to
get the loyalty out of these guys?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well? You young, remember a lot of this stuff wasn't
exposed back then. Eventually it did get exposed. So you
know when I was coming up. It was starting to
get exposed little by little, but it took years to
be exposed because the FBI informants were a lot of
the serial killer informants.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So hold on here, you're thirty, I'm trying to do
my from my age ninety six, thirty five. Well, we
already knew why the Bulger was an informant.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, it was, it was. It was in the paper
in nineteen eighty eight, and then they retracted because they
didn't want to get everybody killed. So it was there.
There was a leak, and some people thought he was,
some people didn't think it was, and some people thought
it was medium manipulation trying to get him killed or whatever.
So there's, you know, there's two versions to that. So
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nobody really knew for a fact he was, and then
later they found out.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Later the whole world followed exactly, but a lot of
people did.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
After twenty something, thirty something murders later, Yeah, by an
infloyment being protected by the.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
FBI, and he's in jail too.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Still well, yeah, eventually they target him and he goes
to jail and he ends up getting killed by suppose
he hypothetically three Boston.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Guys, how many stents in jail did you do?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I lost count, but overall I did, But overall?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay, your first time thirty five years, we've done thirty
five years.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Your first time that you was going and a half
years in the Hampshire cre prison. How old I was
in my twenties?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So okay, I'm gonna put my head in your head.
I go to jail in my early twenty right, maybe
middle twenties. Yeah, and you got two and a half years.
Was that enough to make you come out and say,
you know what, maybe I don't want to fly down
this road?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Actually no, it was. It was more like excitement to me.
It wasn't anything like, hey listen, let's not go this way.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It was work all the time, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So you guys, okay, you come out after two and
a half years, and how long before you're back in there? Ah?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well that was like what I went back home that thought.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Commercial break, This is Cindy Stumpo. You listen Toughest Nails
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Speaker 2 (18:40):
Tempo and I'm Dennis Petrosino, Vincent gig Marino, and Rex
upon went.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
When did we evencome? Vincent, I'd always known you as Gigi.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, I was born Vincent Michael Marino. Okay, my nickname
Gigi came from my grandfather on my mother's side, to
Santapio Santapio's Pizza in East Boston.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
This ck house waity with santapo was yours too.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That was No, it wasn't mine specifically, it was my cousin,
my family, my year. My mother was a Santapio and
her father, which was my grandfather, was Vincent Giggi Santapio,
who was one of the biggest bookmakers in New England history.
Back in sixty years ago. He was making like nine
man a year. But he was a good guy. He
was one of eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Sixty years ago he was making about nine million a year.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Do you know what that is today?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I can't do the numbers right now my brain either. Okay,
but nine million dollars a year year? What year?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Oh, it was like sixty years ago, so figured out
n three nineteen sixty four maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So this is all on your dad's side. No, my
mother's side, So your mom was also tied into my
mother craziness too.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
My mother father was one of eighteen brothers and sisters,
and when they came over, they had to feed the family.
So one was a baker, one was a pizza maker,
one was a seamstress, one was a book maker, one
was a gywalk one was professional boxer. They all had
a feece.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Some people don't know what charlocks are.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
They loan money at an interest rate and you have
to pay it, and if you don't pay it, usually
something bad happens.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now they're called hard money guys, but I see money guys.
I like that is that now the illegal they're all
called hard money guys.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But in the day, it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You didn't pay, you didn't pay, Yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So I even hear the word hard money guys when
I started building a twenty three, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Like, it's equated with the Uh it goes right for that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, it goes right to that world to me. So like,
I'm like, you have hard money, guys, would be crazy.
You're gonna lose a couple of legs.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Nice way of saying it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Now, hard money guys. You know they've legalized that business. Okay,
So now you come out of jail and then you're
back in jail. How much longer?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well, let's do the math. Uh, firearm charge nineteen eighty nine,
so it wasn't that long, maybe a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
So now firearm charge, right.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A firearms charge okayed by the state police.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So you got in trouble for holding a weapon, right,
and they put you in jail for how much long?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay? Now it was originally a stage.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
There's more going on behind the scenes. They're just getting
you on them. There's what There's more going on behind
the scenes, but this is what they get you on exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So seven hours after so let me get shot, I
get rested with a firearms.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
With three other people, and that's what they accused you of.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, they had me suspect in it. So they're doing
the math. They're saying there was four people in the car,
but four people just got rested with firearms. So they're
trying to say that the four that got rest of
the firearms was the ones that were responsible for the
celembia attempt that the government instigated and fermented the violence,
which not too many people know.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So when you look back and we'll go forward and backwards.
Everything you've seen with your corruption, the governments is corrupted as.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You guys, probably more a little edge with that, you know, dge.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
They get the edge with the badge.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
They have a license to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I've been saying this for thirty years. But they're basically no, no, no, no,
you know. But okay, so now they get you in
a fire on possession and then they move you to where.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Okay, I get arrested by the state. So I was
in every police station for three days. I get bill,
I go to who's your lawyer?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Back then?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Edward gon Jewel, excellent lawyer, former district attorney, excellent lawyer. Yeah,
I know it, great lawyer. He uh was my lawyer.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And but most of the guys who are using the
guy at the Brookline, what's his name? Another tang guy
who's that You're gonna ask my brain right now? Who
not Ballero? I didn't trust Ballero?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, Richie Egbert was a big well which she was
the mountain? Was he from over there?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Leppo is a Newton guy. He wasn't as big. Another
one that's chess and Hilaria, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Trying to remember. Yeah, I know exactly Frank something.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Frank, Yes, Frank is his last name. Wow, he handled
Joey whye right, so but Frank, yeah, he was like.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I know exactly that wasable where I live.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
A good lawyer, not the good lawyer, but Eggbroke was one.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Of the best, right, definitely is one of the best.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So now you're back in the can right on a
gun charge.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Correct, but it's deeper than that.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
But they get you on the gun charge, right.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And they have they only made it federal to basically
to squeeze me, hoping I would come forward with the
to be a rat, right, in which that never happened.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, so now you go spend how many more years
and you.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
All together four and a half on that. The only
reason the gun charge right, only reason why I didn't
get more time because back then, in nineteen eighty nine,
eighteen us C. Chection nine twenty two G one found
the possession of firearm carried zero to five, but then
it jumped after that to zero to ten. But I
still wuldn't have got that much signed because they had
no prior drug violent convictions. And that's when it enhances
(24:08):
your sentence up to fifteen to life if you have
a prior drug violent convictions. It's called I'm correct criminal
or correct criminal. And I wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So are you amazed that guys like break into people's
homes home time? So say that's again, hold on, give
me a second armed home invasions getting an ankle bracelet
out on one thousand dollars and not having to cover a.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Lot of some When you see people get sweet hot
deals like that, they'd usually something behind it.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
They usually we've had a lot of problems with migrants
and Brookline and that's what.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
They were, right.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But when people get that usually like like you get
a liberal file left judge Democrat, they'll probably let them out,
you know what I mean. But and if they do
get a good deal like that, they get on bail.
Use it. They told the police something to get that
sweet hot deal. That's what you u happens, all.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Right, So now you're back in jail, You come out
of jail, and Gegi still doesn't want to fly.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, eighty nine, I was only on the street. Probably
before this was like three years, so actually since eighty nine,
it was only on the streets. For like three years.
So and then they creating manufacture a drug case against
me East Coast, West Coast thing John Smiley Meal, he's
wearing a wire. He's from BC. And Charlie mcconniald from ME.
(25:30):
C's wearing a wire. John Smiley meetings all the time.
Mcconnald's half a time, half Irish. They both have wires
and they both working for two different agencies, and they
don't know about each other, and they're both tigging to me.
So mcconnald's wearing a wire.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
One doesn't know their target.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They don't. Yeah, they don't know about each other because
it's two different stings on me at the same time.
So mcconnald's wife by the FBI tiggering to me and
me Lee on a conspiracy. Me Lee's TI is wired
by the DA tiggering me and McConnell. We both we
all go out to Vegas in Arizona and there's still
this you know, this this sting on me. But guess what,
(26:07):
there's not a crime because I can't conspire with no
agents or informats of government. I lose fifteen thousand hypothetically
on a buy which I can't conspire with agents are
informers of the government, So really there was no crime committed.
Then when they find out that there was no crime committed,
they said, oh my god, this guy's going to let go.
And they don't tell me that there was no crime committed.
(26:28):
They have me pleading out to something that's not a crime,
so my brother wouldn't get arrested. I took a ten
year hit, but they volunteered the informant. I took a
ten year hit right at the same time, I get
hit with a RICO racketeering influence corupt the organization at
the same time. They created the RICO because they were
(26:50):
losing that case because if they had to come forward
with the discovery, it would be no crime. So they
don't want to let me go, so they throw me
on this RICO case. I really have nothing to do with.
They told me on this case. And what happened was
I got thirty five on the RICO and I got
the ten cocoment with the thirty five. But they didn't
(27:11):
disclose that McConnell was an informant. Obviously, we knew Mealy
was informed because he testified on my RICO case. So
by them not disclosing it. I had this conviction and
a loss of fifteen thousand supposed to buy money, which
wasn't a crime.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Gigi.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Everything you've said, they've not caught you on Murdy yet,
They've not got you on anything nothing.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Everything was heresay, he said, She said, The informists can't
understand that. My Rico Troal says, what do you know
about Jigi? Well, he did this, he shot this one,
stabbed this one. Did you see it? No? How do
you know? I read in the newspaper or I saw
it on the news. Nobody was physically seen. It was
no tangible evidence.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Do you think when you got to that twenty something
year old stage you just had a lot of anger
in you?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yes, and you had a point to prove.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Was definitely anger for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
If you could look back now and go back to
those days, would you've done anything different.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Not had the anger? I probably would eliminate the anger.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Pot So you think the anger is what put you
on the streets.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm thinking so, you know, because I got there.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
There a long time to think about in the king
to see, Yeah, you are in a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And I certainly did, and I got to see it,
and like I said, the best revenge is to be
healthy and successful.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I say the best revenge is living a good life.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But but successful one being healthy lives a good life.
If you're not healthy, you're not going to live a
good life because you're not gonna be around. So you
have to be health.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That stage, you're only about street justice, okay, And a
lot of us Boston people, we can't get that out
of our heads, right. It's just never leaving us, right,
And that's just the way we were raised. Hold that thought,
we're gonna break. I'm Sinny stumbling you listening to Toughest
Nails and we'll be right back. And welcome back to
Toughest Nails on WBZ and Dennis I hear you with
(29:00):
Terra Smith. But that was our group, guys. That was
our Boston group. That was our Revere groupial group of Rever.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
What's that official group of rev.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Absolutely official group of Revere. Okay, I'm just trying to
get past all the I'll go back to there, but
I'm trying to get how many years straight? So your
next stunt in jail, stint and jail is when that was?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, So I did a two and a half in
the state, and then I did four and a half
in the federal. Then I was out on the street
well three years, and then I picked up twenty eight straight.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So you actually had how many years on the street before?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Three since nineteen eighty nine, not counting the time my mouth.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
So the three years you were on the streets out
of all these years, and they put you in jail
for all this length of time, what was the best
they got you on?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Actually evaning was he said? She said here say they
really had no independently.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Grab how'd you end up spending?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So because I have a corrupt judge, Nathaniel, I'm going
thirty three degree mason, multi billionaire. He never went by
the ruse, He didn't go by the constitution. Every time
my lawyer, Robert Sheketov was a good lawyer. It was
a Russian Jewish guy, excellent lawyer. Every time he brought
up the white balls to see rife mcflemy andrew sonny
maccurial corruption with John Cornley, the judge would threaten my
(30:15):
lure in court, say you mention them names again, I'm
holding your contempt to court. So we couldn't get the discovery.
The real truth out and we wasn't getting the discovery
from the government because they were concailing it because it
proved egregious governmental misconduct.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Do you think they were trying to put the Flemy
shooting on.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You the celem They were definitely well, I was charging.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Me while that was Diane's father.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I was charged with it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I was indicted for it. It was over the Satchel limitations,
so it wasn't a substantive act, which would have made
it stronger. It was a recal predicate act, which is
very weak. So they did it within a ten year
span because the five year satue already ran out. It
was seven years, nine months, four days when I got
indicted for it, and they had no proof that I
(31:02):
had any involvement whatsoever. They Michael Buckley was a corrupt
FBI agent. Was John Cornley's pounder who was way way
the one. Well, he just got out. I got forty
years for a murder. He got out. He did ten
in the FEDS.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I thought, Colly they let up, maybe because he got out.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He got on the campature at least on in the state.
He had forty years for murder in Florida, who he
got out but Buckley was his partner. Buckley was far
worse than Conley. Buckley slipped through the cracks.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm confused. You're telling me Conley's now out of jail.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
He's been out of jail way before I got out
about the FBA. Yeah, the FBI agent, he got out.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I thought he got cancer.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
No, he got out. Well, whether that was he got
cancer or not, he got out. He's still alive. He
got out. He got out years before me. Okay, But Buckley,
the agent, was far worse than Conley. He slipped through
the cracks.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What do they have you on? The worst thing that
you did?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Conspiracy the murder. Conspiracy's murders me and you can be
talking about killing this guy or that guy. And there's
no overdeck required to be convicted. So therefore it's not
a violent crime. If you look at creonas versus the
Attorney General out of the Third Circuit twenty nineteen and
McCollum versus the United States out of the Fourth Circuit
(32:15):
clearly and concededly says it's not a violent crime because
it's an aquitic crime and it has no substance. So
I got convicted of conspiracy the murder and the maximum
I should have got was ten years. I got it
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Say were you getting cocaine conspiracy? We go charges right?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I was convicted of two predicate acts cocaine conspiracy and conspiracy,
the murder conspiracy. The murder maximum charge is ten years.
They gave me a twenty five year enhancement for the
June sixteen, eighty nine Selem attempted murder that the jury
found me not proven beyond a reasonable doubt on December
twenty second, nineteen ninety nine as predicate Act A two
(32:52):
and Rico and Reco conspiracy. Then they enhanced me for
the suiser murder that I wasn't even indicted for that
my co defend and admitted killing the guy to protect
his son because he killed his son.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm confused now, Yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, I got a hanced.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Was the question, they're paying attention to you? Okay, I think,
using my common sense and knowing that world the way
I know it, they knew you were making traction, So
we're going to do anything to take you down. That's
just my take on. So they had to find a
way to put you in that can, and they created
(33:29):
manufactured decrease because as I was hearing and it could
be false. Right again, this is rumors again. Guys are
going off the buildings the north then right like there's
a lot going on. So and somebody had to run.
They tell him up, if you never got put away,
(33:50):
would you have stayed in there and became the made
man there? You think?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I mean, anything is possible. But what I'm what I'm
saying is they instigated the whole thing. I was walking
in my house one day and Cornley, Callen and Buckley
approached me and said, FBI, we're here to warn you,
Frank celem Me's trying to kill you. They go and
bump into my my friend's lawyer at Joe Tecci's restaurant,
(34:16):
and John Connley, the agent, tells Anti Continial the lawyer
that so let Me's trying to kill his client forever.
So what the government did was instigated fermented violence, you understand.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So they put in your head that they're going to
kill you to get them before they let me, who.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Was a professional bomb maker who was successful with Bobosa
and wiping out the Irish Marmon child sound single handley
to both of them and they're letting me think that
this guy's trying to kill me, you know, so they
instigate them fermented violence.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So they're just playing a whole big game, right.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And there's a book called cornteil Pro where they go
within an organization and have everybody kill each other and
then they arrest everybody later. You have to read the book,
go and tel pro. It was a method that Jay
Egar Hoover used, destroy from within.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And then you come out of jail all these years later,
you've given up more than half your life in jail.
Was it really worth it?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I mean, none of it was words, But whoever counted
on the corruption? They created a manufactured create. I got
a twenty five year enhancement for conduct. I beat a
trial that can't happen in a civilized, democratic society.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
So your constitutional rights were taken away?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, I mean you enhanced my the judge enhanced my
sentence for crime I was found not proven by a
jury beyond a reasonable doubt. How do you do that now?
Amendment one of the US Sentence Commission comes along says
that illegally can't do it. That came out November one,
twenty twenty four. McClinton out of Spreme Court unanimously says
you can't do it, and Congress Bipartisan Republican Democrats HR
(35:58):
sixteen sixteen twenty one and Bill S six or one
or all on boards saying it's illegal, you can't do it.
And they did it, and I got away with it,
and I finished the time.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Let me ask your presal now I'm gonna I'm going
to ask you. You're just an opinion. I'm not asking.
This is just how they say it. What you think, okay,
doesn't mean it's factual. How come every time the Italians
start to make movement in Boston, legs come right underneath them.
(36:29):
But then you get all the other Vietnamese, Russian blah
blah blah blah. Why is it always the Italians had
taken down?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Because it's a vendetta. What happened was years ago when
the Irish controlled the bootleg and the organised organized crime
in Boston. I'm talking years ago with Kennedy. There's a
book right, it's called Pattywocks. You have to read the
book what is by TJ. English, very good book. It's
about nine hundred thousand pages thousand nine two one thousand pages.
(37:03):
You have to Yeah, you come download it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You have to read this book, a very good book. Well,
at the time, the Irish got called Patty Whack, got
whack throughout the country that were controlling all the bulltlegg
and hypothetically by the Italian. So what ended up happening
is the Irish got smart and said, hey, let's become cops,
let's become prosecutors, let's become judges. And I have a
(37:27):
lot of good Irish friends. Don't get me wrong, then
I'm not like that. And that's what happened. It was
a vendetta. So when they became prosecutors and judges and
lawyers and politicians and agents and cops, it was get
back time. And that's what happened. There was a vendetta.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It is amazing. It's like Balder and his brother right,
one became a politician and one became Whity.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
A serial killer round.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So that seemed to be the thing.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So you take Federal Hill up in Rhode Island, Irish
Italian and it's you've watched the show Brotherhood. I don't
know it goes way back, but it seems like they
went down that road to protect their own people.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You're talking about who I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Talking about when the Irish became cops. Oh yeah, yeah,
they use that at their viaa.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
But then they.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
They're getting globes, they're getting everything right.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They weaponized their position of power, so it became a vendetta,
you know what I'm saying. And that's basically what happened.
And throughout the years it was just an animosity type
of thing. And but they had the positions, you know,
they weaponized the judicial system, you know, being uh, prosecutors
and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
When did you wake up and realize what the hell
did I do with my life?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
You don't care?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Still?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh? I mean, of course I care. I mean, but
like I said, I can't control the corruption.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh that thought we was going to break. I'm sitting
stumbling you listen. Toughes Nails on WBZ will be right
back and welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ. Sammy
take it from here, Gigi. We really like you to
come back because there's obviously so much more that we
haven't heard. So can you come back next Saturday night?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Absolutely would love to.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
We would love to have you. Perfect. Great, We'll pick
this up next weekend. Everybody, have a great safe weekend
and we will see you next week. This is Cindy
Stompo Toughest Nails on WBZ and have a great safe
weekend
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