November 17, 2025 • 39 mins
Boston community leaders and activists are calling for action after a recent string of gun violence in Mattapan. One incident of an 18-year- old Malden student G’Kiyah Lewis, who was shot in Oct. and died of her injuries in Nov. has especially sparked concerns with leaders like Rev. Kevin Peterson saying, “None of our children should die in the streets." Lewis is Boston's 29th homicide of 2025. Rev. Peterson joined us to discuss the calls for action as Lewis’ murderer or murderers are still at large.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's with Dan Ray WBS Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I've asked Reverend Kevin Peterson of the New Democracy Coalition
to stay until the ten o'clock hour where we're talking
about Boston's murder triangle, as he and others have characterized that.
Kevin a lot of emotion from the family members of
Jakiah Lewis, But what we forget is that even since
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the time she was shot, as you mentioned, there's some
other fatalities that have occurred. I want to continue with
callers and give you an opportunity to interact with them,
because I think this is such an important, important conversation
and I will be really disappointed if more people you
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don't have to live in Roxbury, South End, Dorchester, Mattapan
or Arts of Hyde Park to be concerned about this,
because this is a This is a fundamentally.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
A fundamental situation that is clear.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You just just look at a map of Boston and
I'm looking at it right now on Universal Hub, and
it shows where the murders have taken place, and they're concentrated.
I wish, I wish it wasn't that way. But how
much support do you get, Reverend within within the community
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you've been at this for a while. Obviously, there are
folks in the community who don't trust the police, and
I understand that there are people who probably are looking
at you and saying, we don't need more police, but
you need.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Something, You need something, And I would say that across
the board generally, there is a around what we have
been doing over the last three years in terms of
identifying the triangle but also suggesting solutions to the problem.
We weren't heavy handed in the wake of our report
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with the police. We wanted them to use their expertise,
their capacity to develop a Boston specific strategy around addressing
the murder triangle. But in general, the people on the
ground and they're experiencing both the grief and they're seeing
the blood on the streets. Quite frankly, they see the
yellow tapes wrapped around certain areas across the triangle. They're
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experiencing trauma that very few people can can imagine. What
we have been running into mostly has been the lack
of engagement by our leaders, black and white. No city
councilor has responded to the Murdered Triangle report, and specifically
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the Black city councils or c any councilor of color
who represent the triangle. No response, and as I've said before,
the Cyny of Boston has been responded. So we have
to keep saying Jekiah Lewis's name, and with her name,
we also have to remember dan rayd Lois Brown, seventy
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three year old woman murdered on our porch Saturday afternoon,
broad daylight. We have to remember Jamal Cox, thirty three
year old murdered on New Year's Day twenty twenty three.
Of course, we have to remember thirteen year old Tyler
Lawrence thirteen murdered on the street seven am on a
Sunday morning in front of one of Boston's largest Boston's
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largest Black church. In that appearing on Bluehle Avenue. It's
gone on and on and on to the point that,
quite frankly, we should be collectively embarrassed, a shame for
ourselves in terms of our lack of response. I don't
want to take too much time because I know you
have people calling sure, no, no.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And I appreciate it, but again, you know, where is
the city council, Maheir?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Where is city councilor Warrell? Where where are all these.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
City councilors who who they're always around in uh in
political campaigns.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
We we we lost this.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I can't Yeah, I can't account for them. All I
can say to you, Dan is that they're not present. Uh,
as as as I've been trying to articulate this on
behalf of other people. So this is not a Reverend
Kevin Peterson show. We have a you know, I have
numerous degrees, two masters and a doctor and working on
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my secretary. So this comes out of research. I only
say that because it comes out of research and serious
study and application to this issue. And it comes from
the ground people who met on cold winter nights a
couple of years ago to offer up a plea, a
collective plea for their safety. And we had no former
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response from those people whom they elected.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
All right, let me let me go to phone calls.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Uh. We're gonna go to San Antonio, Texas. Dave is
a regular listener. Uh, And Dave, this is a this
is a Boston issue, uh that we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So please stay focused on Boston if you can for me.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, I intend to say you're focused on Boston. I
tend to stay focused on God because that is That
is the biggest problem. There is nobody going to fix
this problem, but God, nobody. We are engrossed in this
whole country with evil people, black, white, yellow, purple green,
whatever they are, but they're very, very evil. My son
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in law is a You wonder where all those guns
are coming from? A Boston my son in law is
Ice and he told me himself that Boston they had
a rag there in which they found thousands of guns,
not just drumps guns that they're running. They sell guns
illegally to this country too. That cartel walk through this country.
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The cartel is infected every one of our cities. We
are engrossed, embraced by evil.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
By the way, Dave, do me a favor I have,
And I'm not questioning your son in law, but I
followed the news here in Boston real.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Carefully, and you didn't hear about it.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
A long time and you didn't hear about it, and
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well, here's what you got to do for me.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Okay, I did not hear about it, and maybe Reverend
Peterson heard about it, but I didn't hear about it.
I don't know if Reverend Peterson wants to back me
up on this one. But if you could have your
son in law call me privately, Rob will give you
my direct line, and he wants to tell me when
it occurred, and I will maintain the financiality of the
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information and I'll break the story for you, which I've
done for many years here in Boston. But I'm just
telling you when when a gentleman who I know like
yourself calls from San Antonio with information about something of
that magnitude happening in Boston, I got to tell you.
I'll trust you, but first I want to verify. So
have your son in law called me, or he can
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call you.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Give him. Give me the the time when this happened,
the date, even if it's an approximate date, and the location.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You got to give me the information to get back
to you, but I don't have that. You give me
the information. I'll get back to you fair enough. I
know you.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you hang up, I'm not cutting you off. When
you hang up, Rob will give you my direct line.
You probably have it anyway, so you have. I'm just saying,
is that when you say thousands of guns, because that's
what you said, I would have heard about that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Reverend. Have you ever heard of that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That, yeah, I have. I have not specifically, but I
would say that there's an open secret within the black
community that guns are run into the black community and
they're fairly prevalent, which doesn't speak to the amount of
guns that your caller is talking about, but speaks to
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a different level of crisis. We shouldn't have gun runners,
illegal guns on the streets.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Of Cartell is highly responsible for illegal guns sales, and
it's going to be true.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, I'll tell you this, if this was what my point,
Dave is simple, if this was going on in some
of our more affluent suburbs and I won't name the suburbs,
it wouldn't be going on because if you had this
number of murders that's right, in these other communities, and
Reverend can will back me up on this, it would
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have been addressed. And the fact that it hasn't been
addressed in Boston, and we've talked about it, Reverend Peterson
and I have talked about this for years is a
crime in of itself.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Well, I I just see the danger down here in Texas.
That's what I see. By what I I said. My
son in law's ice and he's uh, he talks to
me about the different I mean, it's all over the country.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They are you got, you got your assignment, Dave.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Okay, I will for you.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You let him know that that I'm the real deal.
I've been around and Reverend Peters is the real deal too,
and we'll we'll do his story since he's with me,
we'll do that together. Okay, you can take it to
the bank. All right, thanks Dave. All right, don't hang up.
Rob will give you my direct line, Reverend, stay there.
I got other callers for us here, six one seven.
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The only line that's available right now is six one
seven nine three one thirty. This is a matter of
life and death. That's how serious this topic is. Because
I guarantee you that if this rate of homicide continues
in the Boston Triangle as described by Reverend Peterson, by
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this time next week, there will be another young track
male dead on the stream. Sad to say, sad to say,
but it would be inevitable. It would be inevitable.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It has to end. Reverend quick comment for me before
we go to break. I feel like I'm running the
show here.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And that's fine. I appreciate the platform to talk about
this immensely complicated subject. Let me just say just a
couple of the factorys that maybe lead to more conversation.
I've asked the Boston City Council, our policymakers to produce
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the number the statistics related to open warrants within the Triangle.
They won't produce. It suppose to republic information open warrants
people who commit crimes over and over and over again
in some cases in our in our community. And have
also asked the police department to give us a comprehensive view,
a comprehensive perspective of arrest rates and convention rates related
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to the murders. And that hasn't been forthcoming.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Uh Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
It's an attempt in some ways, I think, to conceal
the level of crisis that we're experiencing on the ground
here in the Triangle.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, they all the all the politicians now, as you know, Reverend,
the keyword is transparency. Well, I'm going to be the
most transparent this they've ever elected. And once they get
in there, that transparency disappears. Uh And and that's where
that's where we're fighting, and we'll we'll fight with you
on this one. It's as simple as that the same
politicians who do not want to be audited by the
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state auditor are the same politicians who don't want to
provide transparency. It's a nice, quiet little club. And ironically,
and I think it's important to say that we haven't
had a white mayor in Boston since Marty Walsh.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We have a minority police commissioner, we've had previously minority
US Attorney Rachel Rawlins, we have a minority district Attorney
UH in Suffolk County.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And why why they are not responding to me is
just mystifies me. Just mystifies me. Let's take a quick break, Reverend.
I'd be right back. We have a couple of other relatives,
and we'll also talked with Joey an East Boston. She
will be next on Nightside, The Only Line six one.
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Be right back one night time.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
My guest Reverend Kevin Peterson of the New Democracy Coalition.
He's talking about the murder triangle in Boston and if
you happen to live there, the chances of you being
shot or killed, particularly if you happen to be a
young black male, substantially higher. Then if you live in
a lot of other communities. Let me go next to Joanne,
who lives in East Boston. Joanne, thank you for calling in.
You're next with Reverend Kevin Peterson.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Go right ahead, Hey, Reverend Hayden, I've called a few
times on different issues. Yes, Chikaia Lewis will never forget
her name now that I know more. I'm a social
worker here and ask General Hospital, and I work with
a lot of patients who have had family members who
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have been in violent crimes or murdered or founded.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Through drug abuse.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
And the one thing that I constantly tried to do
is reach out to elected officials and I get, oh, yeah,
we'll call you back, and they never do. From Presley,
who I've called several times, to the mayor, to my
city councilors, no one falls us back, no one.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And I'm a social.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Worker here and I'm trying to help victims recover. And
PTSD is huge in Boston in our communities that this
PTSD is so severe, and these kids that are getting
shot and walking around, you know, with with violent crimes
right behind their doorsteps. We need more mental health, but
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we also need more protection. And we are soft on
crime here. In Boston, and I am not one of
the Mayor's fans at all. We are not the safest
city in the in the in the area. We are
probably high on crime, the soft on prosecution, and they
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know who the people are. But you know, when it's
election time, no one talks about.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
This stuff, no one, And it is.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Vital that we talk about it and get it out
on the open. But they keep us muzzles, you know,
they keep us from speaking up, and they keep shoving
this case. We have the safest city and.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
We are not.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
East Boston was never the safest city. And now real
estate changes us to Boston and our Salves is beyond
you know, it's ridiculous. Who can afford to stay in
your own city. But Reverend, we have to have more
coalition out here. We've got to band together. This has
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just stop this crime on children and seniors in particular.
This is happening on the streets more and more, and
they blame it on mass and casts, but I blame
I hold responsible the mayor, every city councilor every representative.
I don't care who you are. Get involved.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
How would Joe in how would you like to live
in the South End I've had people on who live
in the South End, mass and cast is a different problem,
but it's the same unsolved type problem. There are people
who literally drug addicts who they find sleeping on their
couch in the morning when they get up.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Worse than that.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Worse than that, Dan, I'm.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Here helping people heal. How can you help people heal?
They want to, they want to know the facts, they
want a resolution, but when they see that these repeat
offenders are walking the streets again.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The other thing which I just need to mention, Okay,
and I think you'll agree with me, and I know
Reverend Peters will.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Agree with me.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Ninety five or ninety eight percent of the kids in Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapay,
South End in High Park are trying to do the
right thing. The group that are engaged in this activity
is a minority of a minority. They're like three percent
four percent they're will And it's so I think sad
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that if you happen to be a black teenager, you're
you're sort of lumped in with all these others from
people who don't know anything about Dorchester, Rocksbury or matter
Pan have never been there, and a lot of folks
out there in the suburbs. Well, you know it's not
our problem, because we'll we're here and wherever it is.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Problem, it is part of a problem.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Reverend.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I assume you would agree with me, because if you don't,
I'll be stunned. The vast majority of kids, teenagers, black
male teenagers are trying to do the right things. They're
not all walking around carry guns. It's like three or
four percent that a committee that crimes over and over
and over again.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Right, absolute, hold on, Joe, Joe in hold on.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm not going to cut you off. I want to
give him a chance to finish his thought.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And now'll keep but go ahead, Reverend, I just briefly
wanted to agree with you.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
The black community in Boston and across the country, in
some respect is a law, a law of biding community
which respects uh, the the idea and the implementation of
public safety by law enforcement agents. So we generally are
not anti police across the board, and we're not naturally
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genetically biologically.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, we have more young black and men and women
in law enforcement today the way ever that and oftentimes
they are working the toughest details. They're working the overnight shifts.
They're seeing the they're seeing the crime. So yeah, joe In,
I cut you off. I'm coming to my news, but
you go right ahead. You get the final word. Yours
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has been a great call. By the way, joe In,
I don't need to tell you it happened. Has been
a great call.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
I am so I am so frustrated with our elected officials.
I don't even want to call them that because how
many of them have broken the law and show how
defiant they are by justifying or staying doing what they're doing. Still,
one just got out of jail a month, Yes, all right,
a month.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Rich was a slap on the wrist, by the way,
a slap on the risk, slap on the wrist.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
She was allowed to stay in her office because it
was no law that prevented that. So we are not
protected by our own laws. We're not protected by the
people that are supposed to fight for us. You know why,
because it's downright dirty to come down into the trenches
and help the people who are begging for help. And
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it's not pretty, it's not it's dangerous, and it's very sad.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Joanna.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
As a social worker, I am here, you see it
Reverend Peterson has been in the trenches for years and
that's why I admire him. Uh and and he he
will always have a voice on this program, and we're
going to keep that.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I gotta tell you, I'm not going anywhere. I've been in.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Boston and staying in Boston, and I hope you'll continue
to call.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And let's let's shake it up.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Can we have reverends and number? Can we contact the
reverend after?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Let me Reverend. How about this we could do one
of you. We can either pass your number hold on
joe In. We can either pass your number on to
joe In directly, Reverend if you want, or she can
contact you through the website the New Democracy Coalition.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Correct, Okay, pass her number one to UH through your producer.
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You know what you're gonna do, joe Inne you just
heard him. Okay, you stay there, don't hang up. Rob.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The Reverend has authorized you to give his phone number,
which which we're talking with him on right now, to
joe Inn and Joanne. Obviously you keep that between yourself
and him. Okay, I think Rob is already talking to
We got to take a break. Here's the newscast. We'll
be right back on night Side right after the news.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
If you're listening to Nightside for the first time tonight,
I hope that you'll tell your friends about this show
and they can listen to these two hours that we
have done. Or well, we'll finish with the Reverend Peters
and I'm not going to keep him after eleven o'clock.
I promise him that you can listen at Nightside on demand,
and Reverend the New Democracy Coalition can take Anybody with
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some technical aptitude more than mine can take these two
hours down and post them on your website because they
think they've been very good. Let's keep rolling here. Going
to go next to a cousin. Her name is pronounced
deja uh is in Boston. Deja. I'm so sorry about
the loss of your cousin. There's not many words that
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that I can express other than say that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
We will keep the name of Yaka Lewis Lewis alive
as your mom requested him.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, continue to talk about Lynz Joseph, the little boy
who was killed by a Boston last April, and that
that seems to have faded away, but we'll continue to
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You're on with Reverend Kevin Peterson of the New Democracy Coalition.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Go right ahead, Yes, I just want to I just
want to say her name, and I want her name
to live on, and I want justice for my little cousin,
you know, and I want to continue for her name
to live on, and I want justice for her. I
want like the government system and the police system and
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how like you know, everybody like put you know, like
there's gang unit, there's different task force that you know,
patrols daily, and I just really don't understand how they didn't, like,
you know, like they're not doing as much as I
feel like they would have done, as if you know,
it was a random person sitting on a corner or
like in their car, and then they want to patrol
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people and harass people. But you know, they still hasn't
found my cousin's murderer yet. And my cousin's not a
bad girl. She's very quiet and to herself. So it's
just like, you know, like I feel like a lot
more can be done. I feel like, you know, it's
kind of like upsetting that you know, it's a month
later and still we don't have any answers. I just
want to continue to, you know, just advocate for my cousin.
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And she's she's a baby to me. So it's like really, like,
you know, like what are we doing? Like this could
be any one of our little sisters, our cousins, or
you know, any one of our babies, Like really, and
I just feel like this, this situation is not really
being taken as seriously as if it wasn't if it
was anybody else's kids. And it's hitting my family hard.
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It's hitting me hard, you know, and I just want
justice for my little cousin. And I want you know,
we want answers, not just me, we want answer.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Let me ask you a question. Obviously it's very personal
to you. I have seen this as a guy who's
done a talk show here for a long time, and
Bever Peterson has seen it. And the problem is that
this problem wasn't addressed when Dolores Brown was a grandmother
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in Dorchester, was shot to death in April I believe
was twenty twenty three, while she sat on her front
porch on a Saturday afternoon April. It wasn't addressed. They're
still looking for whoever shot her. The Lenz Joseph case,
which is the case of the little boy who was
actually run over by his own school bus last April.
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Had you heard of.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
That case by any chance or no?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, So we talked about that case on this show
and will continue to talk about the case, as we
will continue to talk about Jakaia's case. This little boy
five years old. The bus drive was driving the bus
that day for the City of Boston, hit two cars,
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had had an accident, never stopped, never reported it, continued on,
dropped the little boy off across the street from his
house as opposed to where he should have dropped the
little boy off, and when the little boy got off
the bus with his eleven year old cousin.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
He was run over by the bus. It's been since.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
For one second, holding just for one second, day, Jah,
because I just want to make the point that we've
talked about that several times. Okay, I haven't heard the
mayor talk about it. I haven't heard the district attorney
talk about it. There's been no There's a civil lawsuit
filed on behalf of the family against the bus company,
which is fine, but there's been no criminal charge issued.
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There's been no grand jury, to the rest of my knowledge, convened,
there's been no report issued. So what happens is these
horrible tragedies. They've very different. What happened to your cousin
and what happened to Lynch Joseph and what happened to
Dolores Brown and and and Jamal Jamal Cox and others,
but the scenarios all the same. They assume people will
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forget about it, and we're not going to let people
forget about.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
It, not at all. Yeah, and I agree, And I
just don't understand what you know, the cameras on the
traffic lights is for, and you know the all of this,
and you know the shot spotters, and we're paying all
these taxes, but we can't even get justice far our
loved ones. I really don't understand what is all of
these new and improved updates for. And then the police
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station is literally like two blocks away. I just don't understand,
like how it doesn't even make any sense to me.
But you know, I just want to continue to say
her name, stay her name, and that's what I want.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
To say everybody.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I want to I want to say Dolorous and I
want everybody to know all of these names until we
can solve this problem and make sure people are going
to be killed wherever they live. But they are being
killed at a rate in the murder triangle that that
Reverend Peterson has had the courage to talk about way
beyond any rate. That's no murder is acceptable. But but
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when you're talking about this many in this small area.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
To bystanders, it's not okay.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well it's never okay. And I want to get the
reverend in here.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Reverend, I don't want to take over your show here,
Please go right ahead, say hello, Dejaja.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Hello, Thanks, thank you, Thank you for for calling in
and expressing both the trauma and the concern that's your
experiency and that you might experience for a long long time.
It's important for people to hear this, to say Ja
Kai's name to lewis as rittenpresented as representative of the
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larger tragedy that's been happening over generations before. Perhaps dais
that you were born. So thank you for your courage
and and and your and your willingness to come and
talk about this and hold our elected officials and and
police officers, public safety officers hold their feet to the fires.
It's just so important that we save their names and
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the interests of justice. Your your your cousin will be
buried on December one, and that that will that will
hit at the heart of of the community in the
very traumatic way. I've described to a couple hundred people
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on Saturday, Uh Dejiah, how Jakai Mhm was a daughter
of the city, was my daughter. It was a Dan raised,
Dan raised daughter. All of our daughters or our sisters.
So we have to behave behave in such a fashion
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that we we find justice for for for our daughter, right,
so that this doesn't happen in the future.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
We don't want her death to be in vain. Deijah.
There's nothing that we can do to bring her back.
But again, by saying her name, Jakiah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Lewis just to emphasise that we are not going to
forget what happened to her.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
She was an absolute innocent victim. Absolute.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
I I'm not right, I'm not expecting you know, it's
to bring her back, but you know, I mean, I'm
just expecting for the police to do a little bit more.
But you know, the our community to do a little
bit more because you know this is not okay. So
you know, I know it's not going to bring her back,
but it's like, you know, like we need we need justice,
we need answers as if it was you know, their kids.
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That's the whole moral of the story.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And also we may not be able to bring her back,
but we can't keep her memory alive. I have a
big microphone here, I reach I reached listeners in in fifties,
in thirty eight states, over the air and on the
internet around the world. I have people who listen to
this podcast from dozens of countries around the world, countries
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that many people have never even heard of. Okay, So
when we say her name, when we say is Jakiah Lewis,
I guarantee you that she her name will be heard
by by tens of thousands of people, not only within
the murder triangle, within Dorchester, Roxbury, South End, Hyde Park
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and Mattapan, but her name is speaker around the world tonight,
and I will continue and I will come back to this.
I don't I don't let these stories go. As Reverend Peterson,
I think will will attest. He texted me over the weekend.
I called him this morning and we're doing this tonight.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't let grass grow under my when I think
a story is important, and this story is critically important.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Yes, I appreciate it, and I think you also the acknowledgement,
and you know, I definitely appreciate you, know, you guys,
you know, getting the word out there. I appreciate that
a lot, and my family does as well, and.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We appreciate, we appreciate you taking the time to call
because it's not an easy thing for someone to do.
Reverend Peterson speaks, you know, to congregations and to press
conferences all the time I do a radio show. I
forget sometimes how tough it is for someone who maybe
has never been on a radio show before to pick
up the phone call and then speak as coachingly as
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you have spoken.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So thank you for doing that tonight.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Thank you. I appreciate it, and have a good night.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Will we get back a couple more phone calls and
then Reverend we'll wrap it up for the night. I
appreciate the two hours that you've spent with us tonight.
Let's hope we're doing some good. We'll be back on
Night's Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It's Night Side with Dan ray On Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Next up is Radiant Jasmine, who I believe is also
related to Shakaiah Lewis.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I'm not related in that kind of way, but just
want to send my condolences out to the family I'm from.
I'm from that community and grew up in Mattapan and
work in Mattapan and do work with the Rev. Thank you,
Reverend Kevin for all the work that you do for
our community, and thank you. I just want to You're welcome,
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but you know to to to piggyback on.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
What was said about that, there's just a small amount
of our youth that are you know, violent or going wayward.
I work with youth and community centers and schools. I'm
an art educator and we know what to do with
our youth to help get them on the right path.
And that funding needs to stop being pulled away from
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the programs that I have. I get in schools, I
work with the youth. I start to develop a report
with them. It can take a whole school year to
develop a report and get them to trust me and
use the artwork in a way that they can express
their anger, their sadness, their frustration in a healthy kind
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of way and then the funding is pulled or you've
got to pull my program because you want to do
some testing with the youth. And this is over and
over and over again, like why do we put our
youth through this? Well, we know why. It's purposeful. This
stuff is being done on purpose just to kind of
keep us in this kind of merry go round kind
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of situation over and over again. So those folks who
say they really want to help us get better, stop
pulling funding like that from our youth, you know, stop
pulling funding from from from snap benefits and things like that,
so that we can eat the food that we need
to have to be healthy, so that their brains are healthy,
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so they can think better, so they can process emotions
that are.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Strong instead of taking it out on each other.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
So that's some of the stuff that well, I got.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
To I got to be honest with you, Jasmine, if
I could, because I do the show, and I got
to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I think we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Need for much more of a police presence and to
get the kids who do not want to learn off
the streets and get them somehow on a better track.
I wish it were that simple, that if we had
not had a government shut down for forty two days
and snap benefits were not withheld for a week and
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a half, that that that would have solved all of
our problems.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I don't think that's going to I wouldn't have been
all of it.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
We had problems in food, apartheid, neighborhoods where where I
think that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We need With all due respect, I think you buying
into some theories that that have actually been counterproductive.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And I think, again, this is me. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'm not speaking for Reverend Peterson. I think when you
really get to the ground level and see what happens
in this community, it's a small group of kids who
are acting out Because.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
I work with these kids. I'm telling you from from
from experience working with them for a couple year.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
For nearly fifty years. Okay, so I covered.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
It as somebody who's worked with them, like like face
to face.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, any too, An, I don't I don't want to
get off on tools.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I really don't want to get off into a sociological tangent.
But when you start throwing in snap benefits and the
shutdown and all of that, it takes us away from
what we want to talk about tonight, and that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Is making these communities safer.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
Well, well, well this is, but this is what I'm
talking about right now.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
So this is my community.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
Let me ask if I.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Put one question, one question, if I could, if the
amount of crime that was occurring in the Triangle was
occurring in Randolph, do you think people in Randolph would
put up with it?
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Actually, stuff is going upwards here in Randolph. I've lived
in Randolph for a long time. So what I'm what
I'm saying is that a lot of these youth that
are having these problems, some of this stuff was people
noticed stuff.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
When they were way, way, way younger.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
More social workers in the schools, and we need more
psychologists in the schools to work with these youths when
they're younger, to catch these problems before they balloon out
of hand.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Sure enough, we will simply go to a great disagree.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And I got a couple other calls. I want to
try to sneak in, Reverend. I don't want to put
you in the spot, but if you want to make
a comment, feel free.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
We'll give you the callers.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
All right, fair enough, thank you very much, Ready and
Jasmine appreciate your call.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Let me go to Gene and every Gene I can
give you just about a minute.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
I know, I'm sorry. Listen, I grew up in the
border of a very rough neighborhood, so I've seen things
and heard whatever. But here's the thing. All these politicians
do is politicking. Okay, they could kill less about any
of us. Opening beer gardens is a great thing for them,
pot shops and everything that destroys families and neighborhoods and kids.
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So the thing is, if you're too polite, you get
no response from them. So I would suggest that you
actually have a protest in front of city hall twice
a week. I don't care if five people show up
on one hundred and list their names. Mayowu City Council.
We see no action on these deaths, are no action
on these murders, and we need things done for our neighborhood,
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our youth.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Okay, look that I wish I got to you earlier. Gene.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's a great suggest. I don't know if the reverend
we'll do that. Good night, Jeene.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Thank you for your call to the callers in the line.
You had to have called early.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
We're going to change topics we're going to talk about
the uh, the president and the emails, the Epstein emails. Reverend,
how can folks get in touch with you at the
New Democracy Coalition if it'd like to support you, stand
with you.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
What can they do?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Let's go through through the website the New Democracy Coalition
dot com, the New Democracy Coalition dot com, and or
you can reach me through social media through Facebook under
my name Kevin Peterson. December one is the burial of
Jekiah Lewis at the Greater Love Church in Dorchester on
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Nightingale Street. It would be a gesture of sympathy and
collective current and determination and focused if the diversity of
the city showed up, including Mayor Wou, showed up at
this ceremony, as we say in the Black community's going
home ceremony. But it's important that our city leaders, Michael Cox,
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the Commissioner, Mayor Wou be at this funeral.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, you and I will talk about that before December one.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Let's do that. Let's talk about this sometime next week.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Fair enoughcome, fair enough?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Thank you, all right, thanks, Revi, appreciate it very much.
Here comes the eleven.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
We come back on and talk about the Epstein emails.
Why has Donald Trump done on one to eighty on
that
He's with Dan Ray WBS Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I've asked Reverend Kevin Peterson of the New Democracy Coalition
to stay until the ten o'clock hour where we're talking
about Boston's murder triangle, as he and others have characterized that.
Kevin a lot of emotion from the family members of
Jakiah Lewis, But what we forget is that even since
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the time she was shot, as you mentioned, there's some
other fatalities that have occurred. I want to continue with
callers and give you an opportunity to interact with them,
because I think this is such an important, important conversation
and I will be really disappointed if more people you
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don't have to live in Roxbury, South End, Dorchester, Mattapan
or Arts of Hyde Park to be concerned about this,
because this is a This is a fundamentally.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
A fundamental situation that is clear.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You just just look at a map of Boston and
I'm looking at it right now on Universal Hub, and
it shows where the murders have taken place, and they're concentrated.
I wish, I wish it wasn't that way. But how
much support do you get, Reverend within within the community
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you've been at this for a while. Obviously, there are
folks in the community who don't trust the police, and
I understand that there are people who probably are looking
at you and saying, we don't need more police, but
you need.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Something, You need something, And I would say that across
the board generally, there is a around what we have
been doing over the last three years in terms of
identifying the triangle but also suggesting solutions to the problem.
We weren't heavy handed in the wake of our report
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with the police. We wanted them to use their expertise,
their capacity to develop a Boston specific strategy around addressing
the murder triangle. But in general, the people on the
ground and they're experiencing both the grief and they're seeing
the blood on the streets. Quite frankly, they see the
yellow tapes wrapped around certain areas across the triangle. They're
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experiencing trauma that very few people can can imagine. What
we have been running into mostly has been the lack
of engagement by our leaders, black and white. No city
councilor has responded to the Murdered Triangle report, and specifically
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the Black city councils or c any councilor of color
who represent the triangle. No response, and as I've said before,
the Cyny of Boston has been responded. So we have
to keep saying Jekiah Lewis's name, and with her name,
we also have to remember dan rayd Lois Brown, seventy
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three year old woman murdered on our porch Saturday afternoon,
broad daylight. We have to remember Jamal Cox, thirty three
year old murdered on New Year's Day twenty twenty three.
Of course, we have to remember thirteen year old Tyler
Lawrence thirteen murdered on the street seven am on a
Sunday morning in front of one of Boston's largest Boston's
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largest Black church. In that appearing on Bluehle Avenue. It's
gone on and on and on to the point that,
quite frankly, we should be collectively embarrassed, a shame for
ourselves in terms of our lack of response. I don't
want to take too much time because I know you
have people calling sure, no, no.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And I appreciate it, but again, you know, where is
the city council, Maheir?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Where is city councilor Warrell? Where where are all these.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
City councilors who who they're always around in uh in
political campaigns.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
We we we lost this.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I can't Yeah, I can't account for them. All I
can say to you, Dan is that they're not present. Uh,
as as as I've been trying to articulate this on
behalf of other people. So this is not a Reverend
Kevin Peterson show. We have a you know, I have
numerous degrees, two masters and a doctor and working on
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my secretary. So this comes out of research. I only
say that because it comes out of research and serious
study and application to this issue. And it comes from
the ground people who met on cold winter nights a
couple of years ago to offer up a plea, a
collective plea for their safety. And we had no former
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response from those people whom they elected.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
All right, let me let me go to phone calls.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Uh. We're gonna go to San Antonio, Texas. Dave is
a regular listener. Uh, And Dave, this is a this
is a Boston issue, uh that we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So please stay focused on Boston if you can for me.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, I intend to say you're focused on Boston. I
tend to stay focused on God because that is That
is the biggest problem. There is nobody going to fix
this problem, but God, nobody. We are engrossed in this
whole country with evil people, black, white, yellow, purple green,
whatever they are, but they're very, very evil. My son
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in law is a You wonder where all those guns
are coming from? A Boston my son in law is
Ice and he told me himself that Boston they had
a rag there in which they found thousands of guns,
not just drumps guns that they're running. They sell guns
illegally to this country too. That cartel walk through this country.
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The cartel is infected every one of our cities. We
are engrossed, embraced by evil.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
By the way, Dave, do me a favor I have,
And I'm not questioning your son in law, but I
followed the news here in Boston real.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Carefully, and you didn't hear about it.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
A long time and you didn't hear about it, and
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well, here's what you got to do for me.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Okay, I did not hear about it, and maybe Reverend
Peterson heard about it, but I didn't hear about it.
I don't know if Reverend Peterson wants to back me
up on this one. But if you could have your
son in law call me privately, Rob will give you
my direct line, and he wants to tell me when
it occurred, and I will maintain the financiality of the
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information and I'll break the story for you, which I've
done for many years here in Boston. But I'm just
telling you when when a gentleman who I know like
yourself calls from San Antonio with information about something of
that magnitude happening in Boston, I got to tell you.
I'll trust you, but first I want to verify. So
have your son in law called me, or he can
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call you.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Give him. Give me the the time when this happened,
the date, even if it's an approximate date, and the location.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You got to give me the information to get back
to you, but I don't have that. You give me
the information. I'll get back to you fair enough. I
know you.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you hang up, I'm not cutting you off. When
you hang up, Rob will give you my direct line.
You probably have it anyway, so you have. I'm just saying,
is that when you say thousands of guns, because that's
what you said, I would have heard about that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Reverend. Have you ever heard of that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That, yeah, I have. I have not specifically, but I
would say that there's an open secret within the black
community that guns are run into the black community and
they're fairly prevalent, which doesn't speak to the amount of
guns that your caller is talking about, but speaks to
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a different level of crisis. We shouldn't have gun runners,
illegal guns on the streets.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Of Cartell is highly responsible for illegal guns sales, and
it's going to be true.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, I'll tell you this, if this was what my point,
Dave is simple, if this was going on in some
of our more affluent suburbs and I won't name the suburbs,
it wouldn't be going on because if you had this
number of murders that's right, in these other communities, and
Reverend can will back me up on this, it would
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have been addressed. And the fact that it hasn't been
addressed in Boston, and we've talked about it, Reverend Peterson
and I have talked about this for years is a
crime in of itself.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Well, I I just see the danger down here in Texas.
That's what I see. By what I I said. My
son in law's ice and he's uh, he talks to
me about the different I mean, it's all over the country.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They are you got, you got your assignment, Dave.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Okay, I will for you.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You let him know that that I'm the real deal.
I've been around and Reverend Peters is the real deal too,
and we'll we'll do his story since he's with me,
we'll do that together. Okay, you can take it to
the bank. All right, thanks Dave. All right, don't hang up.
Rob will give you my direct line, Reverend, stay there.
I got other callers for us here, six one seven.
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The only line that's available right now is six one
seven nine three one thirty. This is a matter of
life and death. That's how serious this topic is. Because
I guarantee you that if this rate of homicide continues
in the Boston Triangle as described by Reverend Peterson, by
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this time next week, there will be another young track
male dead on the stream. Sad to say, sad to say,
but it would be inevitable. It would be inevitable.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It has to end. Reverend quick comment for me before
we go to break. I feel like I'm running the
show here.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And that's fine. I appreciate the platform to talk about
this immensely complicated subject. Let me just say just a
couple of the factorys that maybe lead to more conversation.
I've asked the Boston City Council, our policymakers to produce
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the number the statistics related to open warrants within the Triangle.
They won't produce. It suppose to republic information open warrants
people who commit crimes over and over and over again
in some cases in our in our community. And have
also asked the police department to give us a comprehensive view,
a comprehensive perspective of arrest rates and convention rates related
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to the murders. And that hasn't been forthcoming.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Uh Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
It's an attempt in some ways, I think, to conceal
the level of crisis that we're experiencing on the ground
here in the Triangle.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, they all the all the politicians now, as you know, Reverend,
the keyword is transparency. Well, I'm going to be the
most transparent this they've ever elected. And once they get
in there, that transparency disappears. Uh And and that's where
that's where we're fighting, and we'll we'll fight with you
on this one. It's as simple as that the same
politicians who do not want to be audited by the
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state auditor are the same politicians who don't want to
provide transparency. It's a nice, quiet little club. And ironically,
and I think it's important to say that we haven't
had a white mayor in Boston since Marty Walsh.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We have a minority police commissioner, we've had previously minority
US Attorney Rachel Rawlins, we have a minority district Attorney
UH in Suffolk County.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And why why they are not responding to me is
just mystifies me. Just mystifies me. Let's take a quick break, Reverend.
I'd be right back. We have a couple of other relatives,
and we'll also talked with Joey an East Boston. She
will be next on Nightside, The Only Line six one.
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Be right back one night time.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
My guest Reverend Kevin Peterson of the New Democracy Coalition.
He's talking about the murder triangle in Boston and if
you happen to live there, the chances of you being
shot or killed, particularly if you happen to be a
young black male, substantially higher. Then if you live in
a lot of other communities. Let me go next to Joanne,
who lives in East Boston. Joanne, thank you for calling in.
You're next with Reverend Kevin Peterson.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Go right ahead, Hey, Reverend Hayden, I've called a few
times on different issues. Yes, Chikaia Lewis will never forget
her name now that I know more. I'm a social
worker here and ask General Hospital, and I work with
a lot of patients who have had family members who
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have been in violent crimes or murdered or founded.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Through drug abuse.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
And the one thing that I constantly tried to do
is reach out to elected officials and I get, oh, yeah,
we'll call you back, and they never do. From Presley,
who I've called several times, to the mayor, to my
city councilors, no one falls us back, no one.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And I'm a social.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Worker here and I'm trying to help victims recover. And
PTSD is huge in Boston in our communities that this
PTSD is so severe, and these kids that are getting
shot and walking around, you know, with with violent crimes
right behind their doorsteps. We need more mental health, but
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we also need more protection. And we are soft on
crime here. In Boston, and I am not one of
the Mayor's fans at all. We are not the safest
city in the in the in the area. We are
probably high on crime, the soft on prosecution, and they
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know who the people are. But you know, when it's
election time, no one talks about.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
This stuff, no one, And it is.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Vital that we talk about it and get it out
on the open. But they keep us muzzles, you know,
they keep us from speaking up, and they keep shoving
this case. We have the safest city and.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
We are not.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
East Boston was never the safest city. And now real
estate changes us to Boston and our Salves is beyond
you know, it's ridiculous. Who can afford to stay in
your own city. But Reverend, we have to have more
coalition out here. We've got to band together. This has
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just stop this crime on children and seniors in particular.
This is happening on the streets more and more, and
they blame it on mass and casts, but I blame
I hold responsible the mayor, every city councilor every representative.
I don't care who you are. Get involved.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
How would Joe in how would you like to live
in the South End I've had people on who live
in the South End, mass and cast is a different problem,
but it's the same unsolved type problem. There are people
who literally drug addicts who they find sleeping on their
couch in the morning when they get up.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Worse than that.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Worse than that, Dan, I'm.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Here helping people heal. How can you help people heal?
They want to, they want to know the facts, they
want a resolution, but when they see that these repeat
offenders are walking the streets again.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The other thing which I just need to mention, Okay,
and I think you'll agree with me, and I know
Reverend Peters will.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Agree with me.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Ninety five or ninety eight percent of the kids in Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapay,
South End in High Park are trying to do the
right thing. The group that are engaged in this activity
is a minority of a minority. They're like three percent
four percent they're will And it's so I think sad
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that if you happen to be a black teenager, you're
you're sort of lumped in with all these others from
people who don't know anything about Dorchester, Rocksbury or matter
Pan have never been there, and a lot of folks
out there in the suburbs. Well, you know it's not
our problem, because we'll we're here and wherever it is.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Problem, it is part of a problem.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Reverend.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I assume you would agree with me, because if you don't,
I'll be stunned. The vast majority of kids, teenagers, black
male teenagers are trying to do the right things. They're
not all walking around carry guns. It's like three or
four percent that a committee that crimes over and over
and over again.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Right, absolute, hold on, Joe, Joe in hold on.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm not going to cut you off. I want to
give him a chance to finish his thought.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And now'll keep but go ahead, Reverend, I just briefly
wanted to agree with you.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
The black community in Boston and across the country, in
some respect is a law, a law of biding community
which respects uh, the the idea and the implementation of
public safety by law enforcement agents. So we generally are
not anti police across the board, and we're not naturally
(18:18):
genetically biologically.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, we have more young black and men and women
in law enforcement today the way ever that and oftentimes
they are working the toughest details. They're working the overnight shifts.
They're seeing the they're seeing the crime. So yeah, joe In,
I cut you off. I'm coming to my news, but
you go right ahead. You get the final word. Yours
(18:43):
has been a great call. By the way, joe In,
I don't need to tell you it happened. Has been
a great call.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
I am so I am so frustrated with our elected officials.
I don't even want to call them that because how
many of them have broken the law and show how
defiant they are by justifying or staying doing what they're doing. Still,
one just got out of jail a month, Yes, all right,
a month.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Rich was a slap on the wrist, by the way,
a slap on the risk, slap on the wrist.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
She was allowed to stay in her office because it
was no law that prevented that. So we are not
protected by our own laws. We're not protected by the
people that are supposed to fight for us. You know why,
because it's downright dirty to come down into the trenches
and help the people who are begging for help. And
(19:36):
it's not pretty, it's not it's dangerous, and it's very sad.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Joanna.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
As a social worker, I am here, you see it
Reverend Peterson has been in the trenches for years and
that's why I admire him. Uh and and he he
will always have a voice on this program, and we're
going to keep that.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I gotta tell you, I'm not going anywhere. I've been in.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Boston and staying in Boston, and I hope you'll continue
to call.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And let's let's shake it up.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Can we have reverends and number? Can we contact the
reverend after?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Let me Reverend. How about this we could do one
of you. We can either pass your number hold on
joe In. We can either pass your number on to
joe In directly, Reverend if you want, or she can
contact you through the website the New Democracy Coalition.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Correct, Okay, pass her number one to UH through your producer.
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You know what you're gonna do, joe Inne you just
heard him. Okay, you stay there, don't hang up. Rob.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The Reverend has authorized you to give his phone number,
which which we're talking with him on right now, to
joe Inn and Joanne. Obviously you keep that between yourself
and him. Okay, I think Rob is already talking to
We got to take a break. Here's the newscast. We'll
be right back on night Side right after the news.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
If you're listening to Nightside for the first time tonight,
I hope that you'll tell your friends about this show
and they can listen to these two hours that we
have done. Or well, we'll finish with the Reverend Peters
and I'm not going to keep him after eleven o'clock.
I promise him that you can listen at Nightside on demand,
and Reverend the New Democracy Coalition can take Anybody with
(21:29):
some technical aptitude more than mine can take these two
hours down and post them on your website because they
think they've been very good. Let's keep rolling here. Going
to go next to a cousin. Her name is pronounced
deja uh is in Boston. Deja. I'm so sorry about
the loss of your cousin. There's not many words that
(21:53):
that I can express other than say that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
We will keep the name of Yaka Lewis Lewis alive
as your mom requested him.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, continue to talk about Lynz Joseph, the little boy
who was killed by a Boston last April, and that
that seems to have faded away, but we'll continue to
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You're on with Reverend Kevin Peterson of the New Democracy Coalition.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Go right ahead, Yes, I just want to I just
want to say her name, and I want her name
to live on, and I want justice for my little cousin,
you know, and I want to continue for her name
to live on, and I want justice for her. I
want like the government system and the police system and
(22:43):
how like you know, everybody like put you know, like
there's gang unit, there's different task force that you know,
patrols daily, and I just really don't understand how they didn't, like,
you know, like they're not doing as much as I
feel like they would have done, as if you know,
it was a random person sitting on a corner or
like in their car, and then they want to patrol
(23:04):
people and harass people. But you know, they still hasn't
found my cousin's murderer yet. And my cousin's not a
bad girl. She's very quiet and to herself. So it's
just like, you know, like I feel like a lot
more can be done. I feel like, you know, it's
kind of like upsetting that you know, it's a month
later and still we don't have any answers. I just
want to continue to, you know, just advocate for my cousin.
(23:29):
And she's she's a baby to me. So it's like really, like,
you know, like what are we doing? Like this could
be any one of our little sisters, our cousins, or
you know, any one of our babies, Like really, and
I just feel like this, this situation is not really
being taken as seriously as if it wasn't if it
was anybody else's kids. And it's hitting my family hard.
(23:49):
It's hitting me hard, you know, and I just want
justice for my little cousin. And I want you know,
we want answers, not just me, we want answer.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Let me ask you a question. Obviously it's very personal
to you. I have seen this as a guy who's
done a talk show here for a long time, and
Bever Peterson has seen it. And the problem is that
this problem wasn't addressed when Dolores Brown was a grandmother
(24:20):
in Dorchester, was shot to death in April I believe
was twenty twenty three, while she sat on her front
porch on a Saturday afternoon April. It wasn't addressed. They're
still looking for whoever shot her. The Lenz Joseph case,
which is the case of the little boy who was
actually run over by his own school bus last April.
(24:41):
Had you heard of.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
That case by any chance or no?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, So we talked about that case on this show
and will continue to talk about the case, as we
will continue to talk about Jakaia's case. This little boy
five years old. The bus drive was driving the bus
that day for the City of Boston, hit two cars,
(25:06):
had had an accident, never stopped, never reported it, continued on,
dropped the little boy off across the street from his
house as opposed to where he should have dropped the
little boy off, and when the little boy got off
the bus with his eleven year old cousin.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
He was run over by the bus. It's been since.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
For one second, holding just for one second, day, Jah,
because I just want to make the point that we've
talked about that several times. Okay, I haven't heard the
mayor talk about it. I haven't heard the district attorney
talk about it. There's been no There's a civil lawsuit
filed on behalf of the family against the bus company,
which is fine, but there's been no criminal charge issued.
(25:51):
There's been no grand jury, to the rest of my knowledge, convened,
there's been no report issued. So what happens is these
horrible tragedies. They've very different. What happened to your cousin
and what happened to Lynch Joseph and what happened to
Dolores Brown and and and Jamal Jamal Cox and others,
but the scenarios all the same. They assume people will
(26:14):
forget about it, and we're not going to let people
forget about.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
It, not at all. Yeah, and I agree, And I
just don't understand what you know, the cameras on the
traffic lights is for, and you know the all of this,
and you know the shot spotters, and we're paying all
these taxes, but we can't even get justice far our
loved ones. I really don't understand what is all of
these new and improved updates for. And then the police
(26:40):
station is literally like two blocks away. I just don't understand,
like how it doesn't even make any sense to me.
But you know, I just want to continue to say
her name, stay her name, and that's what I want.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
To say everybody.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I want to I want to say Dolorous and I
want everybody to know all of these names until we
can solve this problem and make sure people are going
to be killed wherever they live. But they are being
killed at a rate in the murder triangle that that
Reverend Peterson has had the courage to talk about way
beyond any rate. That's no murder is acceptable. But but
(27:17):
when you're talking about this many in this small area.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
To bystanders, it's not okay.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well it's never okay. And I want to get the
reverend in here.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Reverend, I don't want to take over your show here,
Please go right ahead, say hello, Dejaja.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Hello, Thanks, thank you, Thank you for for calling in
and expressing both the trauma and the concern that's your
experiency and that you might experience for a long long time.
It's important for people to hear this, to say Ja
Kai's name to lewis as rittenpresented as representative of the
(27:55):
larger tragedy that's been happening over generations before. Perhaps dais
that you were born. So thank you for your courage
and and and your and your willingness to come and
talk about this and hold our elected officials and and
police officers, public safety officers hold their feet to the fires.
It's just so important that we save their names and
(28:19):
the interests of justice. Your your your cousin will be
buried on December one, and that that will that will
hit at the heart of of the community in the
very traumatic way. I've described to a couple hundred people
(28:41):
on Saturday, Uh Dejiah, how Jakai Mhm was a daughter
of the city, was my daughter. It was a Dan raised,
Dan raised daughter. All of our daughters or our sisters.
So we have to behave behave in such a fashion
(29:01):
that we we find justice for for for our daughter, right,
so that this doesn't happen in the future.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
We don't want her death to be in vain. Deijah.
There's nothing that we can do to bring her back.
But again, by saying her name, Jakiah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Lewis just to emphasise that we are not going to
forget what happened to her.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
She was an absolute innocent victim. Absolute.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
I I'm not right, I'm not expecting you know, it's
to bring her back, but you know, I mean, I'm
just expecting for the police to do a little bit more.
But you know, the our community to do a little
bit more because you know this is not okay. So
you know, I know it's not going to bring her back,
but it's like, you know, like we need we need justice,
we need answers as if it was you know, their kids.
(29:54):
That's the whole moral of the story.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And also we may not be able to bring her back,
but we can't keep her memory alive. I have a
big microphone here, I reach I reached listeners in in fifties,
in thirty eight states, over the air and on the
internet around the world. I have people who listen to
this podcast from dozens of countries around the world, countries
(30:17):
that many people have never even heard of. Okay, So
when we say her name, when we say is Jakiah Lewis,
I guarantee you that she her name will be heard
by by tens of thousands of people, not only within
the murder triangle, within Dorchester, Roxbury, South End, Hyde Park
(30:39):
and Mattapan, but her name is speaker around the world tonight,
and I will continue and I will come back to this.
I don't I don't let these stories go. As Reverend Peterson,
I think will will attest. He texted me over the weekend.
I called him this morning and we're doing this tonight.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't let grass grow under my when I think
a story is important, and this story is critically important.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Yes, I appreciate it, and I think you also the acknowledgement,
and you know, I definitely appreciate you, know, you guys,
you know, getting the word out there. I appreciate that
a lot, and my family does as well, and.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We appreciate, we appreciate you taking the time to call
because it's not an easy thing for someone to do.
Reverend Peterson speaks, you know, to congregations and to press
conferences all the time I do a radio show. I
forget sometimes how tough it is for someone who maybe
has never been on a radio show before to pick
up the phone call and then speak as coachingly as
(31:40):
you have spoken.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So thank you for doing that tonight.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Thank you. I appreciate it, and have a good night.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Will we get back a couple more phone calls and
then Reverend we'll wrap it up for the night. I
appreciate the two hours that you've spent with us tonight.
Let's hope we're doing some good. We'll be back on
Night's Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It's Night Side with Dan ray On Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Next up is Radiant Jasmine, who I believe is also
related to Shakaiah Lewis.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I'm not related in that kind of way, but just
want to send my condolences out to the family I'm from.
I'm from that community and grew up in Mattapan and
work in Mattapan and do work with the Rev. Thank you,
Reverend Kevin for all the work that you do for
our community, and thank you. I just want to You're welcome,
(32:40):
but you know to to to piggyback on.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
What was said about that, there's just a small amount
of our youth that are you know, violent or going wayward.
I work with youth and community centers and schools. I'm
an art educator and we know what to do with
our youth to help get them on the right path.
And that funding needs to stop being pulled away from
(33:06):
the programs that I have. I get in schools, I
work with the youth. I start to develop a report
with them. It can take a whole school year to
develop a report and get them to trust me and
use the artwork in a way that they can express
their anger, their sadness, their frustration in a healthy kind
(33:27):
of way and then the funding is pulled or you've
got to pull my program because you want to do
some testing with the youth. And this is over and
over and over again, like why do we put our
youth through this? Well, we know why. It's purposeful. This
stuff is being done on purpose just to kind of
keep us in this kind of merry go round kind
(33:49):
of situation over and over again. So those folks who
say they really want to help us get better, stop
pulling funding like that from our youth, you know, stop
pulling funding from from from snap benefits and things like that,
so that we can eat the food that we need
to have to be healthy, so that their brains are healthy,
(34:11):
so they can think better, so they can process emotions
that are.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Strong instead of taking it out on each other.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
So that's some of the stuff that well, I got.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
To I got to be honest with you, Jasmine, if
I could, because I do the show, and I got
to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I think we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Need for much more of a police presence and to
get the kids who do not want to learn off
the streets and get them somehow on a better track.
I wish it were that simple, that if we had
not had a government shut down for forty two days
and snap benefits were not withheld for a week and
(34:56):
a half, that that that would have solved all of
our problems.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I don't think that's going to I wouldn't have been
all of it.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
We had problems in food, apartheid, neighborhoods where where I
think that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We need With all due respect, I think you buying
into some theories that that have actually been counterproductive.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And I think, again, this is me. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'm not speaking for Reverend Peterson. I think when you
really get to the ground level and see what happens
in this community, it's a small group of kids who
are acting out Because.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
I work with these kids. I'm telling you from from
from experience working with them for a couple year.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
For nearly fifty years. Okay, so I covered.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
It as somebody who's worked with them, like like face
to face.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, any too, An, I don't I don't want to
get off on tools.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I really don't want to get off into a sociological tangent.
But when you start throwing in snap benefits and the
shutdown and all of that, it takes us away from
what we want to talk about tonight, and that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Is making these communities safer.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
Well, well, well this is, but this is what I'm
talking about right now.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
So this is my community.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
Let me ask if I.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Put one question, one question, if I could, if the
amount of crime that was occurring in the Triangle was
occurring in Randolph, do you think people in Randolph would
put up with it?
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Actually, stuff is going upwards here in Randolph. I've lived
in Randolph for a long time. So what I'm what
I'm saying is that a lot of these youth that
are having these problems, some of this stuff was people
noticed stuff.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
When they were way, way, way younger.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
More social workers in the schools, and we need more
psychologists in the schools to work with these youths when
they're younger, to catch these problems before they balloon out
of hand.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Sure enough, we will simply go to a great disagree.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And I got a couple other calls. I want to
try to sneak in, Reverend. I don't want to put
you in the spot, but if you want to make
a comment, feel free.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
We'll give you the callers.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
All right, fair enough, thank you very much, Ready and
Jasmine appreciate your call.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Let me go to Gene and every Gene I can
give you just about a minute.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
I know, I'm sorry. Listen, I grew up in the
border of a very rough neighborhood, so I've seen things
and heard whatever. But here's the thing. All these politicians
do is politicking. Okay, they could kill less about any
of us. Opening beer gardens is a great thing for them,
pot shops and everything that destroys families and neighborhoods and kids.
(37:33):
So the thing is, if you're too polite, you get
no response from them. So I would suggest that you
actually have a protest in front of city hall twice
a week. I don't care if five people show up
on one hundred and list their names. Mayowu City Council.
We see no action on these deaths, are no action
on these murders, and we need things done for our neighborhood,
(37:59):
our youth.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Okay, look that I wish I got to you earlier. Gene.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's a great suggest. I don't know if the reverend
we'll do that. Good night, Jeene.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Thank you for your call to the callers in the line.
You had to have called early.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
We're going to change topics we're going to talk about
the uh, the president and the emails, the Epstein emails. Reverend,
how can folks get in touch with you at the
New Democracy Coalition if it'd like to support you, stand
with you.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
What can they do?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Let's go through through the website the New Democracy Coalition
dot com, the New Democracy Coalition dot com, and or
you can reach me through social media through Facebook under
my name Kevin Peterson. December one is the burial of
Jekiah Lewis at the Greater Love Church in Dorchester on
(38:53):
Nightingale Street. It would be a gesture of sympathy and
collective current and determination and focused if the diversity of
the city showed up, including Mayor Wou, showed up at
this ceremony, as we say in the Black community's going
home ceremony. But it's important that our city leaders, Michael Cox,
(39:16):
the Commissioner, Mayor Wou be at this funeral.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, you and I will talk about that before December one.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Let's do that. Let's talk about this sometime next week.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Fair enoughcome, fair enough?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Thank you, all right, thanks, Revi, appreciate it very much.
Here comes the eleven.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
We come back on and talk about the Epstein emails.
Why has Donald Trump done on one to eighty on
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