October 10, 2024 • 40 mins
Are you one of the many that suffers from Glossophobia, the fear of public speaking? Glossophobia is one of the most common fears or phobias and it affects an estimated 75% of people! Linda Ugelow is an author and transformational speaking coach who has helped thousands of people overcome their fear of public speaking! Linda joined us to help you!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's video.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, we're going to talk about overcoming the fear
of public speaking right now. I don't know how many
of you suffer from this condition, but the name of
it is glossophobia. With us as someone who can, basically,
I guess, overcome this condition of glausophobia. She was a
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guest a few weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago,
during one of our eight o'clock hours, and I thought
that it would be good to bring her back and
give all of you an opportunity to chat with her
about how you could get over your fear of public speaking.
There are a lot of people who suffer from this
is nothing to be ashamed of. Linda Hugilo, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you great to be back here.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Dan? We're doing just fine. So tonight it's you and
me and then and then callers and listeners. So I
think it's important for us for those who didn't hear
you a couple of weeks ago, I had never heard
the word before, gloss o phobia. I assume it's from
the Latin, and I have no idea what the derivation
is is glossophobia the fear of public speaking?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Apparently it is, but you know that I'm thinking I
never looked it up to see what is that. I
know phobia, We all know what phobia is, but glosso
I don't know. Yeah, well, we got to do our homework.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'll reach from my Latin dictionary at some point.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Figure it out. So I think the statistic that I
have seen here is that it's one of the most
common fears that anyone in America has. Now, you're an
author and a transformational speaking coach, and you have helped
thousands of people overcome the fear of public speaking. First
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of all, the word is glossal phobia. But break it
down for us. I think most of us. Are they
afraid to appear in front of an audience, or are
they afraid to speak up at a town meeting, or
are they afraid, for example, to make a telephone call
to a friendly talk show host. How many ways does
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glossophobia exist? You know it's one. It's a big umbrella word,
fear of public speaking. But give us a few of
the examples of the type of fears that you've helped
people overcome.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
It's a it's an extremely unique, unique to every individual
what they're afraid of. For instance, some people will feel
totally fine speaking to people in public, but getting on
camera freaks them out. Or maybe they're fine getting on camera.
I had a client who's find getting on camera fine
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on the stage, but would freak out when he had
to introduce themselves at a networking event and everyone's standing
in a circle and it's you know, getting closer and
closer to you having to say something. There are some
people who are afraid to speak to people who are
older than themselves but not their peers or vice versa.
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Or for some they're comfortable with a thousand people but
not with ten, which might be a surprise to many
people who feel like, well, I can talk to one
or two, but I can't talk to twenty people. So
it's very individualized. But the point is that regardless of
the pattern of where you feel comfortable and where you
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don't feel comfortable, the origins of it are always in
the past, because it's not a random emotion that we have.
It's if you think about children, Children thrive on attention.
They love being the center of attention if it's safe, right,
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you know, they can't get enough. They depend on it.
So somewhere between them and later on ten, fifteen, twenty years,
something happens where we trade this free self expression for caution.
So the question is when did we decide it was
safer to hide? And it's nothing, as you say, it's
nothing to be ashamed of. We all have stuff from
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our past. We all were in a school system that
graded us and evaluated us. It's very harsh. Sometimes with classmates,
you get up to the front of the class to
answer a question, maybe you don't know the answer or
maybe you've slipped up, and then everyone burst out laughing.
That can last a long time, that kind of shame
or embarrassment. So these are the things that we have
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to pay attention to and uncover because once we bring
them out, whether it's being bullied or being heard or attacked.
I was attacked by my sisters when I was a kid.
Whenever I was put in the of attention because I
was a good girl, Mom would say, why can't you
girls be more like Linda? That was their cute to
attack me. So that was my personal story. But everybody
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has their own story, and the thing is that, well, yeah,
stuff happens but as adults, we need to take responsibility
for it so that we can move forward, so we
can speak up in all the places that we are
asked to speak up, whether it is on a phone
call with clients or colleagues, are at a team meeting,
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or if you want to get on social media because
you're an entrepreneur and you want to build your following,
or you want to get on that big stage. That
why be held back by something which is our human design?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You know, it's funny. I've been googling glassophobia, derivation of glassophobia,
and apparently the word first appeared someone must have made
it up in nineteen sixty four, so there is no derivation.
I mean, I'm assuming that you know, it's a Latin
phrase or maybe it's a it's a Greek, you know
word that that was the derivation. So it seems to
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be someone Maybe it was someone named gloss. And that's
why I don't know the derivation of the word here.
You know, there's there's an apprehension. I speak in public
a lot, and it doesn't bother me to speak to
a large group, but one level of anxiety that I
sometimes feel, and maybe some people can identify with this
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is you you're invited to a party or an event
you know a little larger than you know, and you
know which you do only attend, but not a huge group.
And maybe it's work related, maybe it's not. But you
walk in the room, you're the only one in the room,
and you don't see anyone who you recognize, So there's
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no one who you can gravitate towards naturally and and say, hey,
what's going on? Okay? And so you're trying to find
someone in the room who you can converse with or
at least start a little small talk conversation. And that
is the only time that I would even have a
hint of glossophobia. Explain to me if that is actually,
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you know, some some are you know, an aspect of glossophobia.
Speaking in front of the crowd doesn't bother me. But
you put me in a room where where you're going
to meet people for the first time, and you look
around the room. There's no one here who I really know,
and there's a few people chatting and a few other
people on the other side of the wall kind of
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looking as as intimidated as you are. Is that do
you consider that to be a phobia of public speaking.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, I don't know if I want to use the
word phobia. I feel like I rather just think of
like nervousness or some anxiety, And I guess it depends
on how how deeply it affects you. My question for
you would be, well, what's going on in your mind?
What are the words that are coming to It's like,
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oh god, I don't know anyone here. Who am I going?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's sort of like I'm here, there's whatever I'm trying
to think of the last time I felt it. But
you know, almost like you know, you walk in and
you expect to see someone, and you give the room
a quick scan and you say, who the hell are these?
And you know your instinct is to say, Okay, I'd
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like to talk to some of them, but uh, there's
there's no one who looks even has acknowledged and saying
says hello or whatever. Again, maybe I'm making up an
anxiety because I want my audience to tell me what
anxieties they face so you can help them.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Okay, you know you're bringing up a really good point.
And I think part of it is, no, there's there
are skills involved, obviously, and going into a place where
we don't know anyone does require some skills, and I
suggest people that they think about those skills ahead of time,
so that when you walk in, you have a plan,
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so you look around. It may be that you look
around and you just take in the vibe and you
see who is engaged and who is also kind of
feeling off to themselves. What I personally do is I
usually go to someone who's off by themselves. Maybe it's
at the food table, or you know, if someone is
hosting the event, I'll strike up a conversation with them.
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And I always like to. I enjoy talking to people
who are off on their own because you know they're
they're there to meet people too, so why not join together.
So I always say, rather than try to work a
whole room, consider that you're going to make maybe two
or three conversations that are, you know, a little more
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in depth rather than superficial, and that will be fine.
So that we don't have to make friends with everybody
at an event. You just go in and and see
who can you have an enjoyable exchange with and maybe
even come in.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
One of the times that I will feel this. You
go to a fundraiser of some sort for a great
cause or good charity. But it's not one that that
you have a lot of friends who you know, and
you walk in and you feel, Okay, I don't know
anyone here. My wife probably doesn't know anyone here, and
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no one in here really knows me. And you end
up talking to your wife or your spouse because you're comfortable,
and you almost put up a glass cone around you.
It's just, it's just it could be awkward. So let
me let's do this, Linda. Let's open up the phone
lines and have people describe to you what fear they
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have again or anxiety when you have to speak to
a to a public audience. One of the you know,
whatever your role is, obviously that there's a lot if
you're a salesperson, you really if you have glossophobia, a
fear of speaking, you got to get past that. So
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there's a lot of jobs which you which you have
to somehow overcome this this apprehension. And I think it's
quite natural. I think that the funny place about it,
The funny thing about it where very few people I
think have this fear is when they go to a
public sporting event. Because I think maybe it's only me,
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But that is where I think the average person, and
I consider myself the average person, is most comfortable. You
walk in, you know that the focus is not going
to be you or the person next to you, but
it's going to be the game. And you get there
and you see that people have their hats or whatever
in their sweatshirts on, and you know that you're amongst
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people who you don't know, but your commonality is you're
rooting for the Red Sox or you're rooting for the
Celtics or whatever. When it was at the Patriots game
the other day, so you know that everybody there, it's
it's it's pretty comfortable, at least for me. I don't know.
Let's open up the phone lines, Robin Dan six one seven, two,
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five four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. You can talk with Linda Hugelo about your
fear of public speaking, however you describe it. I mean,
very few people will ever be put in a situation
where they're standing in front of an audience of a
thousand people and they're going to freeze up because because
if you if you accept an invitation to speak before
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a thousand people, you better not have a fear of
public speaking.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Oh but oh, it happened to me. It happened to me, Dan,
you froze up. Well I was. I was invited to
speak before a group of twelve hundred organic farmers.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
At you listen to this. Hold on, I want to
save this story because we're past my break here. I
want to save this story. Right on the other side
of the break, we will Linda, Linda, you look at you,
you go o. We'll tell you this. This this public
speaker and coach from She'll tell you the time that
she had some anxiety. I was okay, well, this is good.
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This is going to loosen up the audience. We'll be
back on Nightside, because no one wants to call a
talk show and say, oh, I'm afraid of this. We'remp
afraid of that. I mean like I could do a
show on snakes and say, if you're afraid of snakes.
Gives no, oh no, no, I'm comfortable with snakes. We'll
be back on. I do have a couple of callers
and when we get some lines open, coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
All right, let's tell us that story. Lindo, you're speaking
in front of twelve hundred people. What happened?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Oh my gosh. I was terrif because the time I
had spoken before, which was ten years prior, I totally
froze up. I opened my mouth to speak and not
a word came out. So there was I wanted to speak.
I wanted the Northeast Organic Farmers Association to help me
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change the regulations in Massachusetts to legalize raw milk. At
the time, there were no dairies that were.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Why did you want to legalize raw milk because I
wanted to try it out.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I heard so many good things about it. I heard
that it's full of enzymes, and this is how milk
used to be to be, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So I had a friend of mine with a very
bad experience with raw milk in France. I'm not going
to gross everybody else. I'll go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I'm sorry to hear that. It's nothing ever bad has
happened here anyway. At the time. It was back in
nineteen ninety nine, I think, and I really wanted to
get Dary's license to sell raw milk. I stake department
said no way. So I reached out to the Farming Association.
I said, I think this is something the farmer should
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get behind because there are a lot of people who
want to drink raw milk. They said, great idea. We're
going to give you a spot before the keynote speaker
at the summer conference. He'll be about twelve hundred people there.
And I said to the director, Julie, you don't understand.
I can't speak in front of an audience. I'll freeze up.
She said, Linda, you'll be fine. Just write out what
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you want to say on a piece of paper and
read it. I said, can't you do it for me?
I really?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You? Were you a speaking coach at the time or is.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
That I was not? I was not. It was like
my worst nightmare, my worst night here. So so I
she urged me to said it. I said, why can't
it be you? She said, because you are the one
with a passion, with the interest, with the knowledge. Just
get up there, read what your page and they'll be
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over what. I'm like shaking and I walk up the
rickety stairs to the podium and I'm doing my deep
breathing and I am a performer actually I've been with
a women's for a music group for thirty years at
that point, and I knew, well got to look up
at the audience. So I was looking up as I
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was reading the back and forth, and I didn't know
are they going to throw tomatoes at me? Or were
they going to hate what I'm saying? But people applauded
when I was done. You know, I was shaking, but
I got through it, and that's when I realized that
I wasn't going to die. So I didn't like public speaking.
It didn't get me over the fear, no way at all,
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but I knew I could white knuckle through it, and
that's what I began to do from that point forward.
By the way, we now have twenty three dairy license
to sell raw milk in the state of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And there's we're going there.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So there's been no problem. I mean, that was that
was that's a different story. That was the concern by
the regulators. But if we could prove that this was
there was so little bacteria it's like almost that zero
that was, you know, of any concern, then they would
be okay with it. And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
We were able to my attitude on milk is pretty simple.
I don't want to get it from the cow directly.
I want to go to the grocery store and open
the freezer there.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
With the right right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Refrigerator and take out a nice gallon of milk in
a plastic jug and have the best IF and read
the best IF use by date, you know, to make sure. Okay, look,
we only have a minute left here before the nine thirty,
so we're gonna get to going to start it off
with Melissa in Portland, Oregon, who is a regular listener
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to this show. But Melissa'm going to ask you to
wait until after the newscast at the bottom of the hour,
because I know you're gonna have a great story for us.
We're also going to talk with Barbara in Debtiment Dot
in Medford, and we have some room for you. We
have one line open at six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty and one line open at six months,
seven ninety. Now, confession is good for the soul, so
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this is an opportunity for everyone just to get it out.
You heard from Linda, You've heard from me that sometimes
even people who are public public people public figures in
to some extent we can feel some anxiety about speaking
in a certain set of circumstances. Okay, uh so we'd
love to have you join the conversation. We have the
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news coming up here at the bottom of the hour.
We'll take it quickly and we'll be right back, and
we will start off with Melissa, who I know speaks
publicly because I'm a little very familiar with some of
the presentations she's made, and she's going to be just
great to start us off, and you can join us
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or six
month seven nine three one ten thirty Fear of public
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speaking glossophobia. Someone must have made this up. It wasn't
the old Latins, and it wasn't the Greeks. It was
someone in New York made that. I guess in New
York made it up, and it became a word in
nineteen sixty four. Back on Nightside right after.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
This, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell
you Baz Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Ken I looked up the word Glaussophobia in my my
Webster's dicture. It's not there. But we do have a
listener who says that there may be some entomology for
which is great. Let me go to the afrementioned Melissa
in Oregon. In Portland, Oregon, Melissa, welcome back to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
I'm good. It's nice to hear your voice again.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I have to hear yours. You can hear mine every
Monday through Friday night eight to midnight, but I don't
get to hear yours until you call it.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Oh, I've been listening. I had a question for your guests.
So I was one of those kids that I remember
in the third grade, I stood in front of the
class and didn't do a great job, and the teacher said, well,
you'll never be a public speaker. And that stuck with
me for many years. And then I got older and
I started doing baseball research, and I've been fortunate to
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do a lot of baseball presentations and I've slowly overcome
that fear. But recently I've lost sight, well lovision. I
have low vision in my right eye, basically no sight,
and I'm very self conscious when I speak because I'm
afraid I'm not going to see somebody in the audience
that has a question, or I'm going to miss something
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on a PowerPoint. And my question to your guest is
have you dealt with anybody that has It's not really
a disability, it's just a fact of life. But have
you dealt with anybody that has a scenario like that?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And, by the way, if I could just explain, because
Melissa is she's a very humble person. She has spoken
publicly at the Baseball Hall of Fame and appeared at
the Baseball Hall of Fame, and that's how in part
I know her work. So she's a very accomplished researcher
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and writer and speakers. I'm not trying to embarrass you,
but I want people to know that.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
You I appreciate that work.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Here we thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So if you could answer that question, Linda would take
a shot at it from Melissa would appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yes, Melissa, I think it's wonderful that you have a
you have this ability to overcome that that very impactful
experience that that was keeping you from feeling comfortable in
front of people for such a long time, but now
you are. But you have this new experience with your vision,
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and I would recommend that you even like put it
out front when you are taking Q and A and
just say, by the way, I don't see as well
as I used to be anymore. And if I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
See you, just you know, wave your hand or don't be.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Shy to make sure that I, you know, unpaying attention
or that you catch my attention, so that you just
we have to get in front of these things. Like
some people are self conscious about some aspect of either
their physicality or their capability, and the best way to
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handle it, I think is to just bring it out,
bring it forward, and own it and and be poised
with it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Some humor too hoterrific, I think that's Melissa, Melissa. I
got to tell you. I've spoken in front of groups
and sometimes if there's lights in the back of the room,
even though my vision is pretty good, it's not twenty
fifteen by any stretch of the imagination, but it could
be tough to see people at the back of the room.
And sometimes I will say, look, you know, please raise
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your hands, stand up if you if you really want
to be seen. I've even had events that we used
to do for WBC Radio where we'd have a couple
of interns in the audience, and sometimes the interns were
so shy they would sit next to like the person
who wanted to ask a question and they have like
a little paddle or something and they would hold it
up about three inches from their face and you really
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couldn't see. It was like, stand up, that's why we
have you there, wave your hands, do whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Yeah, so no, and it is hard to see. And
I really appreciate that advice. One thing that I have
done over the years is sometimes I just call out, hey,
I'm really nervous, just just to let you know I
am a little bit nervous today because sometimes it is
intimidating when you are in such a large group. But
the reason I was so fascinated by your topic is
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I have found professionally being able to speak publicly has
made me a better employee. I'm able to listen better,
I'm able to communicate better, and I'm able to collaborate better.
And I feel like it's you know, we're so tied
to our cell phones, we're so tied to texting that
public speaking, public communication is lost, and so I feel
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like this is something that should be a part of
our education system, more so today than ever, because we
do we have to communicate remote. I mean I have
a remote job. I deal with people in Germany, all
over the world in Oregon, I mean across the United States,
but outside of the United States, and you have to
being able to communicate and collaborate in different environments is
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a is a lost skill, and at least in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Sounds great. Melissa. Great to hear your voice. Thanks so
much for calling in. And it's gonna be an interesting
world series. I think it's going to be Mets Yankees
at this point. It's beginning to look.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Like we're going to do that.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I never thought i'd say it, but I'm hoping for
Dodgers Yankees. But let's go against Judge.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It'll be nineteen seventy seven, in nineteen seventy eight, nineteen
sixty seven, seventy eight all over again, or nineteen sixty three,
we'll see, or nineteen fifty six, five and fifty six
or fifty three they were want of Yankee Dodgers world series.
Thanks Melissa, Thank care, tonight talk soon. Let's keep rolling here.
Let me go next to Barbara in Debt and Barbara,
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you in next on nice side with Linda Ugilo. Go
right ahead, Barbara, Hi.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Dan Hi, Linda. My story is a little different. I
had my son my oldest son who graduated in nineteen
seventy eight, and he was going up to prep school.
So my husband said to him, whatever you do, take
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public speaking. He said, oh Dad, I hate that. He said,
take it. Well he did, and it paid off. My
husband passed away three and a half years ago, and.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Who came to you would you?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Oh my god?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Yeah, And it was the funniest usually do you would
ever heard? Everybody in the church and that was lamping.
They were clapping because my husband was a very funny person.
So when he got there was like three pages and
we were trying to mush them along, and then we
went and said we said finally, okay, that's enough. You know,
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I kept calling him down, and he came down and
he kissed me. He said he loved me, and I said, see,
public speaking paid off.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah. If ironic that your husband was the one who
insisted he where did he go to school and and
and get get the courses in public speaking?
Speaker 8 (27:06):
He went to bridge In Academy and Maine.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh yeah, I know, I know, bridged An Academy, absolutely chool.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
And then he went to your Ride for four years.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's another great school.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Absolutely job.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Oh that's great. Well, we won't say where that is. Okay,
we'll just leave it alone for now. But you are
a very proud mom. And I'm sure that that your
husband was watching the eulogy from up above, and.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Oh everybody was a preach to the audience. I don't
know that's the way you're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You tried, you tried to. When you're bidding a dude
to someone, it's wonderful if you can bring a little humor,
particularly if there's someone who enjoyed humor.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
My husband was a funny man.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's okay, that's okay in a good say in a
good sense, though, Barbara right, a man in a good sense.
All right, Thanks Bob, I gotta keep rolling his very much.
You're very welcome.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Good night, good night.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You'll tell you too. I gotta cut you off. They
didn't mean do Dot in Medford, Dot, you were next
to nights.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
I go ahead, Dot, Hi, dear, how you doing Dan?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
This is This is Dot from Medford Linda, and she
has a horrible She is so shy. She has to
express herself fully on my program. She's probably one of
the shyest callers I've ever had. Dot. Go right ahead, Dot,
let's have it.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
I don't want to shark you, Dan, but I know
I'm not going to shark Linda. But I've done a
lot of club work and volunteer work, and I was
on the board at Children's Hospital through the years. I'm
eighty nine now. But I when I was in a
position where I had to speak and I had to
give a report or anything, my secret was true, mentally
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undress anybody I didn't want to deal with. Just mentally
undressed them, and then I'd be as calm as a cucumber.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So you mean you would assume that you would assume
that that you were the only one in the room
who was fully clothed. Is that what?
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Okay, well let's see what Linda thinks about that on technique.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Linda, Well, I have to say that personally, I would
find it a little bit distracting.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Well well, no, not really, no, no, no, But I mean,
like I say, you know, I just was involved with
a lot of volunteer things and I had to speak,
and I never had any schooling in it, and so
that that was my trick.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Basically, Yeah, you you leveled the playing field.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
Yes, yeah, not too shocking for you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It is not no dot It is not shocking for
me at all, just as long as you didn't have
those one of those weird sets of glasses. Do you
remember those when you were young you could supposedly see
through close. Everybody in the audience who's over the age
of a certain age, they used to advertise you get
these see through close. Remember those who know tell me
the truth.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
I didn't need them.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
I know you didn't need.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Them, but they were advertised, and of course they didn't work.
Somebody figured out they could sell classes to naive people.
You're your glasses or you can see through close. I
remember those being advertised in the magazines.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Well, anyway, good night right with all the people that
need to get up and speak.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Thanks DoD, appreciate the inspiration. Do you soon have a
great night. I got to take a quick break. Eileen
and Paul and Corinne where you were all gonna be said,
We're going to start with Paul because he's been holding
longest and I think that he may have some information
in the derivation of the term. At least that's my
uh crack. Product production staff is telling me. And we
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have a staff tonight because we have both Dan and
Rob not often I can say we have a production staff.
Tonight we do. We'll be back at Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,
Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, let's go to Paul and Sail and Paul, I
understand that you may have some entomology on the word glossophobia.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Yes, and now good evening, Dan and Linda. It's nice
speaking with you again, Dan. So the word. In a moment,
I'll give you a word that you'll all recognize. But
the basis of the word is derived etmology from the
Greek glotta, which evolves into the Latin form glattis. And
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when I say this word, you'll definitely recognize that epiglottis
the word glossa Greek is tongue and it's at the
base of the pharynx. And what happens here the epiglottis
is that elastic cotlagenous tissue membrane which seats itself on
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the glottis right above the trachea. Trachea is the wind
pipe which now diverts into two main pipes, the right
and left pulmonary, so it leads to the lung. So
it has to do with the air passage and sound.
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Our language is based on air, and so the word
epiglottis is the word that we are familiar with in English,
are in everyday passage.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Now did you look this up?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Did well? Dan? We had a conversation before on the
amino acid trip de Fan, you know, the ammino acids
found in turkey meat and so forth, and we discussed
the biochemical pathways about this little back maybe seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
But in all the way, I remember that I have
that conversation. It was yesterday, Paul, Go ahead, okay.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Well, nineteen fifty six is like yesterday to me too.
When Don Watson pitches the game, who was the last one?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Who was who did he strike out for? The twenty
seventh out?
Speaker 6 (33:19):
You got me on that one? Dale Mitchell, Dale Mitchell, Okay,
I'll try to remember that, you do.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
No.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
What happened is I started after college. I started teaching,
and I taught UH biological chemistry in high school, and
then I went into UH after seventeen years, I went
into the chemical industry, organic chemistry. And so the reason.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The reason I ask you this, yeah, Paul, the reason
why I ask you this is I grabbed a couple
of dictionaries that were at Google. It it was nothing
what I had. What I found on the internet was
it was a word that appeared for the first time
in nineteen sixty four. Didn't tell me in what context,
it just that it appeared to think sixty four. And
then I went to my Webster's dictionary that I still
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have here because I do believe in dictionaries, and it
didn't even have the word in it. So you've been
a great resource tonight, a great reason. This is a
conversation seven years from now I'm going to remember.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Okay, well, you know what, I'm a big acionado for dictionaries. Also,
I looked, as I mean, I over the years, I
have a basic knowledge of certain prefixes, suffixes, you know,
the Greek and Latin. I'm not well, I mean, I
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know a little bit of these things. I had Latin.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Now you're not a linguisht is what you're telling me,
per se.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
But yeah, I looked it up to before I called.
I wanted to make sure I was correct. So well,
you were in the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Well, Paul, thank you very much. And and on behalf
of Linda. I thank you as well.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
It was very interesting. I mean it's there's always terms
that you you review learn every day, and when that
word came up, so I got to look this up,
just some double check.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Nice job, Paul, appreciate I got you more. I want
to try to get you. Thank you, my friend. You
call more often? Will you don't wait another seven years?
I might not be here? Okay, right, well, we.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Got to get another important we got to get. We
had tripp to Finn and now we got the right
it means tongue. All right. You take care Dan and Linda,
and thank you for another interesting program. Good night now,
good night, good night night.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Let's go to Krin. I hope Crinin. I'm pronouncing your
name correctly.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
You can say Karinn. My mother always said Karen when
she was yelling for me.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
So okay, that was all just to pick up on
the comment about Don Larson, who pitched a The Perfect
Game of the World series on October eighth, nineteen fifty six.
That was his wife's name. So it all comes for you.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm doing well. Thank you. It was great to hear
Linda speaking about claustrophobia and the whole act. I'll say
I'm going to use the word act a few times
during this conversation of her first presenting in front of
a large crowd and tools that you can use, and
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I wanted to say, I used to do classes for
doctor's psychiatrists, mainly on documentation and encounter entry at hospitals
at a VA hospital. And now you know, you know,
you got to be crazy when you have fifty psychiatrists
in front of you and listening intently. Okay, so the
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of course, the first time I did it, I went
over my PowerPoint with someone else in the room to
to make sure I was hitting hitting the keys in
not any keys, but what popped up. I was saying
what I needed to say. And you know I found
when I graduated high school, we moved to California and
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I got a job as an intern on a soap opera,
uh like three days after I moved there at NBC Studios,
and I learned a lot from different actors there and
in the world in everyday life. Basically, we are acting.
You know, when you step into a room.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I get out. So I want you to get to
the point here, because I think.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yes, who, what, where and why? They told me These
actors that have been. Richard Rowntree was one of them.
This is what he had given me for information. Ask yourself,
where am I going, who am I speaking to? And
what am I going to turn into? Sure, you know,
and you can turn professional at any point and be
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under earth at the same time, and you get people
to listen to you. You know, you can't be stuck up.
And you know again, fifty psychiatrists in the room and
they're all listening to me. So yeah, But I do
have that fear as well. I always have it. But
before the show, I called before the show.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I have I have butterflies every night before my show.
I do radio five nights a week. And if I
don't have butterflies, then I haven't prepped for the show.
As simple as that.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Try that.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I got one more in here. If I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I speaking with you. Thank you, Linda, call back again.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I want I want to know more about you. I
wish I could get you earlier in the hour, would
have time.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I've called earlier about Foy and different things in the past,
so requests and privacy, but I'll continue to call and listen.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Dan, Thank you, last appreciate it so much.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Care by now all right, good night.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Let me try to get one more in here quickly.
I lean quick comment. We only got about thirty seconds left.
What would you like to say?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Oh, I want to say that I had terrible gloss
of phobia.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
And hello, I got you.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Go ahead, we're listening.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Oh okay. And I keep a little notebook of my calls,
and I had something very important I wanted to talk about.
And so that was the first time I called you.
And it was about Tom Brady's book on Healthy Living
and where he specified no drugs, no drinks. So I
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have that in my little book.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And well, that was an easy one to start off with.
And you become a regular caller, Eileen. I love the calls,
you know that. But unfortunately you're at the end of
the hour here and I'm looking at the I got
to wrap the hour. But thank you very much. I
remember that first call as a matter of fact. Thank
you so much. Okay, Thanks Dan, Thank you very much, Linda,
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thank you so much. What is your book again, let's
plug the book one more time.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
It's called Delight in the Lime Light, Overcome your fear
of being seen and realize your dreams.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
And do you have a website that we can direct people.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
To Yes Lindaugelo dot com U G E l O
W and you can learn all about different programs in
order to feel more delight in the limelight and feel
more comfortable and at ease wherever it is that you speak.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Linda, thank you very much. This hour certainly exceeded my expectations.
We had some very interesting calls, each and every one
of them, and you're a great guest. We'll do this
again sometime.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Okay, thanks Linda, thanks for having me on. Dan have
a great night, my pleasure you too.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Here comes the eleven o'clock news and after that, I'm
not sure we're going to do, but you stay with
us and I'll tell you at about eleven oh six
what our planes are for next hour.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's video.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, we're going to talk about overcoming the fear
of public speaking right now. I don't know how many
of you suffer from this condition, but the name of
it is glossophobia. With us as someone who can, basically,
I guess, overcome this condition of glausophobia. She was a
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guest a few weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago,
during one of our eight o'clock hours, and I thought
that it would be good to bring her back and
give all of you an opportunity to chat with her
about how you could get over your fear of public speaking.
There are a lot of people who suffer from this
is nothing to be ashamed of. Linda Hugilo, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you great to be back here.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Dan? We're doing just fine. So tonight it's you and
me and then and then callers and listeners. So I
think it's important for us for those who didn't hear
you a couple of weeks ago, I had never heard
the word before, gloss o phobia. I assume it's from
the Latin, and I have no idea what the derivation
is is glossophobia the fear of public speaking?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Apparently it is, but you know that I'm thinking I
never looked it up to see what is that. I
know phobia, We all know what phobia is, but glosso
I don't know. Yeah, well, we got to do our homework.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'll reach from my Latin dictionary at some point.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Figure it out. So I think the statistic that I
have seen here is that it's one of the most
common fears that anyone in America has. Now, you're an
author and a transformational speaking coach, and you have helped
thousands of people overcome the fear of public speaking. First
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of all, the word is glossal phobia. But break it
down for us. I think most of us. Are they
afraid to appear in front of an audience, or are
they afraid to speak up at a town meeting, or
are they afraid, for example, to make a telephone call
to a friendly talk show host. How many ways does
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glossophobia exist? You know it's one. It's a big umbrella word,
fear of public speaking. But give us a few of
the examples of the type of fears that you've helped
people overcome.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
It's a it's an extremely unique, unique to every individual
what they're afraid of. For instance, some people will feel
totally fine speaking to people in public, but getting on
camera freaks them out. Or maybe they're fine getting on camera.
I had a client who's find getting on camera fine
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on the stage, but would freak out when he had
to introduce themselves at a networking event and everyone's standing
in a circle and it's you know, getting closer and
closer to you having to say something. There are some
people who are afraid to speak to people who are
older than themselves but not their peers or vice versa.
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Or for some they're comfortable with a thousand people but
not with ten, which might be a surprise to many
people who feel like, well, I can talk to one
or two, but I can't talk to twenty people. So
it's very individualized. But the point is that regardless of
the pattern of where you feel comfortable and where you
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don't feel comfortable, the origins of it are always in
the past, because it's not a random emotion that we have.
It's if you think about children, Children thrive on attention.
They love being the center of attention if it's safe, right,
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you know, they can't get enough. They depend on it.
So somewhere between them and later on ten, fifteen, twenty years,
something happens where we trade this free self expression for caution.
So the question is when did we decide it was
safer to hide? And it's nothing, as you say, it's
nothing to be ashamed of. We all have stuff from
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our past. We all were in a school system that
graded us and evaluated us. It's very harsh. Sometimes with classmates,
you get up to the front of the class to
answer a question, maybe you don't know the answer or
maybe you've slipped up, and then everyone burst out laughing.
That can last a long time, that kind of shame
or embarrassment. So these are the things that we have
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to pay attention to and uncover because once we bring
them out, whether it's being bullied or being heard or attacked.
I was attacked by my sisters when I was a kid.
Whenever I was put in the of attention because I
was a good girl, Mom would say, why can't you
girls be more like Linda? That was their cute to
attack me. So that was my personal story. But everybody
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has their own story, and the thing is that, well, yeah,
stuff happens but as adults, we need to take responsibility
for it so that we can move forward, so we
can speak up in all the places that we are
asked to speak up, whether it is on a phone
call with clients or colleagues, are at a team meeting,
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or if you want to get on social media because
you're an entrepreneur and you want to build your following,
or you want to get on that big stage. That
why be held back by something which is our human design?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You know, it's funny. I've been googling glassophobia, derivation of glassophobia,
and apparently the word first appeared someone must have made
it up in nineteen sixty four, so there is no derivation.
I mean, I'm assuming that you know, it's a Latin
phrase or maybe it's a it's a Greek, you know
word that that was the derivation. So it seems to
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be someone Maybe it was someone named gloss. And that's
why I don't know the derivation of the word here.
You know, there's there's an apprehension. I speak in public
a lot, and it doesn't bother me to speak to
a large group, but one level of anxiety that I
sometimes feel, and maybe some people can identify with this
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is you you're invited to a party or an event
you know a little larger than you know, and you
know which you do only attend, but not a huge group.
And maybe it's work related, maybe it's not. But you
walk in the room, you're the only one in the room,
and you don't see anyone who you recognize, So there's
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no one who you can gravitate towards naturally and and say, hey,
what's going on? Okay? And so you're trying to find
someone in the room who you can converse with or
at least start a little small talk conversation. And that
is the only time that I would even have a
hint of glossophobia. Explain to me if that is actually,
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you know, some some are you know, an aspect of glossophobia.
Speaking in front of the crowd doesn't bother me. But
you put me in a room where where you're going
to meet people for the first time, and you look
around the room. There's no one here who I really know,
and there's a few people chatting and a few other
people on the other side of the wall kind of
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looking as as intimidated as you are. Is that do
you consider that to be a phobia of public speaking.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, I don't know if I want to use the
word phobia. I feel like I rather just think of
like nervousness or some anxiety, And I guess it depends
on how how deeply it affects you. My question for
you would be, well, what's going on in your mind?
What are the words that are coming to It's like,
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oh god, I don't know anyone here. Who am I going?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's sort of like I'm here, there's whatever I'm trying
to think of the last time I felt it. But
you know, almost like you know, you walk in and
you expect to see someone, and you give the room
a quick scan and you say, who the hell are these?
And you know your instinct is to say, Okay, I'd
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like to talk to some of them, but uh, there's
there's no one who looks even has acknowledged and saying
says hello or whatever. Again, maybe I'm making up an
anxiety because I want my audience to tell me what
anxieties they face so you can help them.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Okay, you know you're bringing up a really good point.
And I think part of it is, no, there's there
are skills involved, obviously, and going into a place where
we don't know anyone does require some skills, and I
suggest people that they think about those skills ahead of time,
so that when you walk in, you have a plan,
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so you look around. It may be that you look
around and you just take in the vibe and you
see who is engaged and who is also kind of
feeling off to themselves. What I personally do is I
usually go to someone who's off by themselves. Maybe it's
at the food table, or you know, if someone is
hosting the event, I'll strike up a conversation with them.
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And I always like to. I enjoy talking to people
who are off on their own because you know they're
they're there to meet people too, so why not join together.
So I always say, rather than try to work a
whole room, consider that you're going to make maybe two
or three conversations that are, you know, a little more
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in depth rather than superficial, and that will be fine.
So that we don't have to make friends with everybody
at an event. You just go in and and see
who can you have an enjoyable exchange with and maybe
even come in.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
One of the times that I will feel this. You
go to a fundraiser of some sort for a great
cause or good charity. But it's not one that that
you have a lot of friends who you know, and
you walk in and you feel, Okay, I don't know
anyone here. My wife probably doesn't know anyone here, and
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no one in here really knows me. And you end
up talking to your wife or your spouse because you're comfortable,
and you almost put up a glass cone around you.
It's just, it's just it could be awkward. So let
me let's do this, Linda. Let's open up the phone
lines and have people describe to you what fear they
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have again or anxiety when you have to speak to
a to a public audience. One of the you know,
whatever your role is, obviously that there's a lot if
you're a salesperson, you really if you have glossophobia, a
fear of speaking, you got to get past that. So
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there's a lot of jobs which you which you have
to somehow overcome this this apprehension. And I think it's
quite natural. I think that the funny place about it,
The funny thing about it where very few people I
think have this fear is when they go to a
public sporting event. Because I think maybe it's only me,
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But that is where I think the average person, and
I consider myself the average person, is most comfortable. You
walk in, you know that the focus is not going
to be you or the person next to you, but
it's going to be the game. And you get there
and you see that people have their hats or whatever
in their sweatshirts on, and you know that you're amongst
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people who you don't know, but your commonality is you're
rooting for the Red Sox or you're rooting for the
Celtics or whatever. When it was at the Patriots game
the other day, so you know that everybody there, it's
it's it's pretty comfortable, at least for me. I don't know.
Let's open up the phone lines, Robin Dan six one seven, two,
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five four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. You can talk with Linda Hugelo about your
fear of public speaking, however you describe it. I mean,
very few people will ever be put in a situation
where they're standing in front of an audience of a
thousand people and they're going to freeze up because because
if you if you accept an invitation to speak before
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a thousand people, you better not have a fear of
public speaking.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Oh but oh, it happened to me. It happened to me, Dan,
you froze up. Well I was. I was invited to
speak before a group of twelve hundred organic farmers.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
At you listen to this. Hold on, I want to
save this story because we're past my break here. I
want to save this story. Right on the other side
of the break, we will Linda, Linda, you look at you,
you go o. We'll tell you this. This this public
speaker and coach from She'll tell you the time that
she had some anxiety. I was okay, well, this is good.
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This is going to loosen up the audience. We'll be
back on Nightside, because no one wants to call a
talk show and say, oh, I'm afraid of this. We'remp
afraid of that. I mean like I could do a
show on snakes and say, if you're afraid of snakes.
Gives no, oh no, no, I'm comfortable with snakes. We'll
be back on. I do have a couple of callers
and when we get some lines open, coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
All right, let's tell us that story. Lindo, you're speaking
in front of twelve hundred people. What happened?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Oh my gosh. I was terrif because the time I
had spoken before, which was ten years prior, I totally
froze up. I opened my mouth to speak and not
a word came out. So there was I wanted to speak.
I wanted the Northeast Organic Farmers Association to help me
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change the regulations in Massachusetts to legalize raw milk. At
the time, there were no dairies that were.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Why did you want to legalize raw milk because I
wanted to try it out.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I heard so many good things about it. I heard
that it's full of enzymes, and this is how milk
used to be to be, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So I had a friend of mine with a very
bad experience with raw milk in France. I'm not going
to gross everybody else. I'll go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I'm sorry to hear that. It's nothing ever bad has
happened here anyway. At the time. It was back in
nineteen ninety nine, I think, and I really wanted to
get Dary's license to sell raw milk. I stake department
said no way. So I reached out to the Farming Association.
I said, I think this is something the farmer should
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get behind because there are a lot of people who
want to drink raw milk. They said, great idea. We're
going to give you a spot before the keynote speaker
at the summer conference. He'll be about twelve hundred people there.
And I said to the director, Julie, you don't understand.
I can't speak in front of an audience. I'll freeze up.
She said, Linda, you'll be fine. Just write out what
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you want to say on a piece of paper and
read it. I said, can't you do it for me?
I really?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You? Were you a speaking coach at the time or is.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
That I was not? I was not. It was like
my worst nightmare, my worst night here. So so I
she urged me to said it. I said, why can't
it be you? She said, because you are the one
with a passion, with the interest, with the knowledge. Just
get up there, read what your page and they'll be
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over what. I'm like shaking and I walk up the
rickety stairs to the podium and I'm doing my deep
breathing and I am a performer actually I've been with
a women's for a music group for thirty years at
that point, and I knew, well got to look up
at the audience. So I was looking up as I
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was reading the back and forth, and I didn't know
are they going to throw tomatoes at me? Or were
they going to hate what I'm saying? But people applauded
when I was done. You know, I was shaking, but
I got through it, and that's when I realized that
I wasn't going to die. So I didn't like public speaking.
It didn't get me over the fear, no way at all,
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but I knew I could white knuckle through it, and
that's what I began to do from that point forward.
By the way, we now have twenty three dairy license
to sell raw milk in the state of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And there's we're going there.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So there's been no problem. I mean, that was that
was that's a different story. That was the concern by
the regulators. But if we could prove that this was
there was so little bacteria it's like almost that zero
that was, you know, of any concern, then they would
be okay with it. And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
We were able to my attitude on milk is pretty simple.
I don't want to get it from the cow directly.
I want to go to the grocery store and open
the freezer there.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
With the right right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Refrigerator and take out a nice gallon of milk in
a plastic jug and have the best IF and read
the best IF use by date, you know, to make sure. Okay, look,
we only have a minute left here before the nine thirty,
so we're gonna get to going to start it off
with Melissa in Portland, Oregon, who is a regular listener
(18:09):
to this show. But Melissa'm going to ask you to
wait until after the newscast at the bottom of the hour,
because I know you're gonna have a great story for us.
We're also going to talk with Barbara in Debtiment Dot
in Medford, and we have some room for you. We
have one line open at six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty and one line open at six months,
seven ninety. Now, confession is good for the soul, so
(18:30):
this is an opportunity for everyone just to get it out.
You heard from Linda, You've heard from me that sometimes
even people who are public public people public figures in
to some extent we can feel some anxiety about speaking
in a certain set of circumstances. Okay, uh so we'd
love to have you join the conversation. We have the
(18:51):
news coming up here at the bottom of the hour.
We'll take it quickly and we'll be right back, and
we will start off with Melissa, who I know speaks
publicly because I'm a little very familiar with some of
the presentations she's made, and she's going to be just
great to start us off, and you can join us
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or six
month seven nine three one ten thirty Fear of public
(19:12):
speaking glossophobia. Someone must have made this up. It wasn't
the old Latins, and it wasn't the Greeks. It was
someone in New York made that. I guess in New
York made it up, and it became a word in
nineteen sixty four. Back on Nightside right after.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
This, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell
you Baz Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Ken I looked up the word Glaussophobia in my my
Webster's dicture. It's not there. But we do have a
listener who says that there may be some entomology for
which is great. Let me go to the afrementioned Melissa
in Oregon. In Portland, Oregon, Melissa, welcome back to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
I'm good. It's nice to hear your voice again.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I have to hear yours. You can hear mine every
Monday through Friday night eight to midnight, but I don't
get to hear yours until you call it.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Oh, I've been listening. I had a question for your guests.
So I was one of those kids that I remember
in the third grade, I stood in front of the
class and didn't do a great job, and the teacher said, well,
you'll never be a public speaker. And that stuck with
me for many years. And then I got older and
I started doing baseball research, and I've been fortunate to
(20:24):
do a lot of baseball presentations and I've slowly overcome
that fear. But recently I've lost sight, well lovision. I
have low vision in my right eye, basically no sight,
and I'm very self conscious when I speak because I'm
afraid I'm not going to see somebody in the audience
that has a question, or I'm going to miss something
(20:46):
on a PowerPoint. And my question to your guest is
have you dealt with anybody that has It's not really
a disability, it's just a fact of life. But have
you dealt with anybody that has a scenario like that?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And, by the way, if I could just explain, because
Melissa is she's a very humble person. She has spoken
publicly at the Baseball Hall of Fame and appeared at
the Baseball Hall of Fame, and that's how in part
I know her work. So she's a very accomplished researcher
(21:21):
and writer and speakers. I'm not trying to embarrass you,
but I want people to know that.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
You I appreciate that work.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Here we thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So if you could answer that question, Linda would take
a shot at it from Melissa would appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yes, Melissa, I think it's wonderful that you have a
you have this ability to overcome that that very impactful
experience that that was keeping you from feeling comfortable in
front of people for such a long time, but now
you are. But you have this new experience with your vision,
(22:00):
and I would recommend that you even like put it
out front when you are taking Q and A and
just say, by the way, I don't see as well
as I used to be anymore. And if I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
See you, just you know, wave your hand or don't be.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Shy to make sure that I, you know, unpaying attention
or that you catch my attention, so that you just
we have to get in front of these things. Like
some people are self conscious about some aspect of either
their physicality or their capability, and the best way to
(22:41):
handle it, I think is to just bring it out,
bring it forward, and own it and and be poised
with it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Some humor too hoterrific, I think that's Melissa, Melissa. I
got to tell you. I've spoken in front of groups
and sometimes if there's lights in the back of the room,
even though my vision is pretty good, it's not twenty
fifteen by any stretch of the imagination, but it could
be tough to see people at the back of the room.
And sometimes I will say, look, you know, please raise
(23:13):
your hands, stand up if you if you really want
to be seen. I've even had events that we used
to do for WBC Radio where we'd have a couple
of interns in the audience, and sometimes the interns were
so shy they would sit next to like the person
who wanted to ask a question and they have like
a little paddle or something and they would hold it
up about three inches from their face and you really
(23:34):
couldn't see. It was like, stand up, that's why we
have you there, wave your hands, do whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Yeah, so no, and it is hard to see. And
I really appreciate that advice. One thing that I have
done over the years is sometimes I just call out, hey,
I'm really nervous, just just to let you know I
am a little bit nervous today because sometimes it is
intimidating when you are in such a large group. But
the reason I was so fascinated by your topic is
(24:01):
I have found professionally being able to speak publicly has
made me a better employee. I'm able to listen better,
I'm able to communicate better, and I'm able to collaborate better.
And I feel like it's you know, we're so tied
to our cell phones, we're so tied to texting that
public speaking, public communication is lost, and so I feel
(24:25):
like this is something that should be a part of
our education system, more so today than ever, because we
do we have to communicate remote. I mean I have
a remote job. I deal with people in Germany, all
over the world in Oregon, I mean across the United States,
but outside of the United States, and you have to
being able to communicate and collaborate in different environments is
(24:49):
a is a lost skill, and at least in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Sounds great. Melissa. Great to hear your voice. Thanks so
much for calling in. And it's gonna be an interesting
world series. I think it's going to be Mets Yankees
at this point. It's beginning to look.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Like we're going to do that.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I never thought i'd say it, but I'm hoping for
Dodgers Yankees. But let's go against Judge.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It'll be nineteen seventy seven, in nineteen seventy eight, nineteen
sixty seven, seventy eight all over again, or nineteen sixty three,
we'll see, or nineteen fifty six, five and fifty six
or fifty three they were want of Yankee Dodgers world series.
Thanks Melissa, Thank care, tonight talk soon. Let's keep rolling here.
Let me go next to Barbara in Debt and Barbara,
(25:34):
you in next on nice side with Linda Ugilo. Go
right ahead, Barbara, Hi.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Dan Hi, Linda. My story is a little different. I
had my son my oldest son who graduated in nineteen
seventy eight, and he was going up to prep school.
So my husband said to him, whatever you do, take
(26:02):
public speaking. He said, oh Dad, I hate that. He said,
take it. Well he did, and it paid off. My
husband passed away three and a half years ago, and.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Who came to you would you?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Oh my god?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Yeah, And it was the funniest usually do you would
ever heard? Everybody in the church and that was lamping.
They were clapping because my husband was a very funny person.
So when he got there was like three pages and
we were trying to mush them along, and then we
went and said we said finally, okay, that's enough. You know,
(26:46):
I kept calling him down, and he came down and
he kissed me. He said he loved me, and I said, see,
public speaking paid off.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah. If ironic that your husband was the one who
insisted he where did he go to school and and
and get get the courses in public speaking?
Speaker 8 (27:06):
He went to bridge In Academy and Maine.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh yeah, I know, I know, bridged An Academy, absolutely chool.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
And then he went to your Ride for four years.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's another great school.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Absolutely job.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Oh that's great. Well, we won't say where that is. Okay,
we'll just leave it alone for now. But you are
a very proud mom. And I'm sure that that your
husband was watching the eulogy from up above, and.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Oh everybody was a preach to the audience. I don't
know that's the way you're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You tried, you tried to. When you're bidding a dude
to someone, it's wonderful if you can bring a little humor,
particularly if there's someone who enjoyed humor.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
My husband was a funny man.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's okay, that's okay in a good say in a
good sense, though, Barbara right, a man in a good sense.
All right, Thanks Bob, I gotta keep rolling his very much.
You're very welcome.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Good night, good night.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You'll tell you too. I gotta cut you off. They
didn't mean do Dot in Medford, Dot, you were next
to nights.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
I go ahead, Dot, Hi, dear, how you doing Dan?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
This is This is Dot from Medford Linda, and she
has a horrible She is so shy. She has to
express herself fully on my program. She's probably one of
the shyest callers I've ever had. Dot. Go right ahead, Dot,
let's have it.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
I don't want to shark you, Dan, but I know
I'm not going to shark Linda. But I've done a
lot of club work and volunteer work, and I was
on the board at Children's Hospital through the years. I'm
eighty nine now. But I when I was in a
position where I had to speak and I had to
give a report or anything, my secret was true, mentally
(28:57):
undress anybody I didn't want to deal with. Just mentally
undressed them, and then I'd be as calm as a cucumber.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So you mean you would assume that you would assume
that that you were the only one in the room
who was fully clothed. Is that what?
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Okay, well let's see what Linda thinks about that on technique.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Linda, Well, I have to say that personally, I would
find it a little bit distracting.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Well well, no, not really, no, no, no, But I mean,
like I say, you know, I just was involved with
a lot of volunteer things and I had to speak,
and I never had any schooling in it, and so
that that was my trick.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Basically, Yeah, you you leveled the playing field.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
Yes, yeah, not too shocking for you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It is not no dot It is not shocking for
me at all, just as long as you didn't have
those one of those weird sets of glasses. Do you
remember those when you were young you could supposedly see
through close. Everybody in the audience who's over the age
of a certain age, they used to advertise you get
these see through close. Remember those who know tell me
the truth.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
I didn't need them.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
I know you didn't need.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Them, but they were advertised, and of course they didn't work.
Somebody figured out they could sell classes to naive people.
You're your glasses or you can see through close. I
remember those being advertised in the magazines.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Well, anyway, good night right with all the people that
need to get up and speak.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Thanks DoD, appreciate the inspiration. Do you soon have a
great night. I got to take a quick break. Eileen
and Paul and Corinne where you were all gonna be said,
We're going to start with Paul because he's been holding
longest and I think that he may have some information
in the derivation of the term. At least that's my
uh crack. Product production staff is telling me. And we
(30:54):
have a staff tonight because we have both Dan and
Rob not often I can say we have a production staff.
Tonight we do. We'll be back at Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,
Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, let's go to Paul and Sail and Paul, I
understand that you may have some entomology on the word glossophobia.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Yes, and now good evening, Dan and Linda. It's nice
speaking with you again, Dan. So the word. In a moment,
I'll give you a word that you'll all recognize. But
the basis of the word is derived etmology from the
Greek glotta, which evolves into the Latin form glattis. And
(31:38):
when I say this word, you'll definitely recognize that epiglottis
the word glossa Greek is tongue and it's at the
base of the pharynx. And what happens here the epiglottis
is that elastic cotlagenous tissue membrane which seats itself on
(32:02):
the glottis right above the trachea. Trachea is the wind
pipe which now diverts into two main pipes, the right
and left pulmonary, so it leads to the lung. So
it has to do with the air passage and sound.
(32:24):
Our language is based on air, and so the word
epiglottis is the word that we are familiar with in English,
are in everyday passage.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Now did you look this up?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Did well? Dan? We had a conversation before on the
amino acid trip de Fan, you know, the ammino acids
found in turkey meat and so forth, and we discussed
the biochemical pathways about this little back maybe seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
But in all the way, I remember that I have
that conversation. It was yesterday, Paul, Go ahead, okay.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Well, nineteen fifty six is like yesterday to me too.
When Don Watson pitches the game, who was the last one?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Who was who did he strike out for? The twenty
seventh out?
Speaker 6 (33:19):
You got me on that one? Dale Mitchell, Dale Mitchell, Okay,
I'll try to remember that, you do.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
No.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
What happened is I started after college. I started teaching,
and I taught UH biological chemistry in high school, and
then I went into UH after seventeen years, I went
into the chemical industry, organic chemistry. And so the reason.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The reason I ask you this, yeah, Paul, the reason
why I ask you this is I grabbed a couple
of dictionaries that were at Google. It it was nothing
what I had. What I found on the internet was
it was a word that appeared for the first time
in nineteen sixty four. Didn't tell me in what context,
it just that it appeared to think sixty four. And
then I went to my Webster's dictionary that I still
(34:13):
have here because I do believe in dictionaries, and it
didn't even have the word in it. So you've been
a great resource tonight, a great reason. This is a
conversation seven years from now I'm going to remember.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Okay, well, you know what, I'm a big acionado for dictionaries. Also,
I looked, as I mean, I over the years, I
have a basic knowledge of certain prefixes, suffixes, you know,
the Greek and Latin. I'm not well, I mean, I
(34:46):
know a little bit of these things. I had Latin.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Now you're not a linguisht is what you're telling me,
per se.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
But yeah, I looked it up to before I called.
I wanted to make sure I was correct. So well,
you were in the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Well, Paul, thank you very much. And and on behalf
of Linda. I thank you as well.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
It was very interesting. I mean it's there's always terms
that you you review learn every day, and when that
word came up, so I got to look this up,
just some double check.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Nice job, Paul, appreciate I got you more. I want
to try to get you. Thank you, my friend. You
call more often? Will you don't wait another seven years?
I might not be here? Okay, right, well, we.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Got to get another important we got to get. We
had tripp to Finn and now we got the right
it means tongue. All right. You take care Dan and Linda,
and thank you for another interesting program. Good night now,
good night, good night night.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Let's go to Krin. I hope Crinin. I'm pronouncing your
name correctly.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
You can say Karinn. My mother always said Karen when
she was yelling for me.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
So okay, that was all just to pick up on
the comment about Don Larson, who pitched a The Perfect
Game of the World series on October eighth, nineteen fifty six.
That was his wife's name. So it all comes for you.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm doing well. Thank you. It was great to hear
Linda speaking about claustrophobia and the whole act. I'll say
I'm going to use the word act a few times
during this conversation of her first presenting in front of
a large crowd and tools that you can use, and
(36:26):
I wanted to say, I used to do classes for
doctor's psychiatrists, mainly on documentation and encounter entry at hospitals
at a VA hospital. And now you know, you know,
you got to be crazy when you have fifty psychiatrists
in front of you and listening intently. Okay, so the
(36:51):
of course, the first time I did it, I went
over my PowerPoint with someone else in the room to
to make sure I was hitting hitting the keys in
not any keys, but what popped up. I was saying
what I needed to say. And you know I found
when I graduated high school, we moved to California and
(37:11):
I got a job as an intern on a soap opera,
uh like three days after I moved there at NBC Studios,
and I learned a lot from different actors there and
in the world in everyday life. Basically, we are acting.
You know, when you step into a room.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I get out. So I want you to get to
the point here, because I think.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yes, who, what, where and why? They told me These
actors that have been. Richard Rowntree was one of them.
This is what he had given me for information. Ask yourself,
where am I going, who am I speaking to? And
what am I going to turn into? Sure, you know,
and you can turn professional at any point and be
(38:00):
under earth at the same time, and you get people
to listen to you. You know, you can't be stuck up.
And you know again, fifty psychiatrists in the room and
they're all listening to me. So yeah, But I do
have that fear as well. I always have it. But
before the show, I called before the show.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I have I have butterflies every night before my show.
I do radio five nights a week. And if I
don't have butterflies, then I haven't prepped for the show.
As simple as that.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Try that.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I got one more in here. If I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I speaking with you. Thank you, Linda, call back again.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I want I want to know more about you. I
wish I could get you earlier in the hour, would
have time.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I've called earlier about Foy and different things in the past,
so requests and privacy, but I'll continue to call and listen.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Dan, Thank you, last appreciate it so much.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Care by now all right, good night.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Let me try to get one more in here quickly.
I lean quick comment. We only got about thirty seconds left.
What would you like to say?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Oh, I want to say that I had terrible gloss
of phobia.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
And hello, I got you.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Go ahead, we're listening.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Oh okay. And I keep a little notebook of my calls,
and I had something very important I wanted to talk about.
And so that was the first time I called you.
And it was about Tom Brady's book on Healthy Living
and where he specified no drugs, no drinks. So I
(39:34):
have that in my little book.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And well, that was an easy one to start off with.
And you become a regular caller, Eileen. I love the calls,
you know that. But unfortunately you're at the end of
the hour here and I'm looking at the I got
to wrap the hour. But thank you very much. I
remember that first call as a matter of fact. Thank
you so much. Okay, Thanks Dan, Thank you very much, Linda,
(39:56):
thank you so much. What is your book again, let's
plug the book one more time.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
It's called Delight in the Lime Light, Overcome your fear
of being seen and realize your dreams.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
And do you have a website that we can direct people.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
To Yes Lindaugelo dot com U G E l O
W and you can learn all about different programs in
order to feel more delight in the limelight and feel
more comfortable and at ease wherever it is that you speak.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Linda, thank you very much. This hour certainly exceeded my expectations.
We had some very interesting calls, each and every one
of them, and you're a great guest. We'll do this
again sometime.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Okay, thanks Linda, thanks for having me on. Dan have
a great night, my pleasure you too.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Here comes the eleven o'clock news and after that, I'm
not sure we're going to do, but you stay with
us and I'll tell you at about eleven oh six
what our planes are for next hour.
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