November 18, 2025 • 38 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
These two guys in Eastern Massachusetts set world records over and over, and became close friends along the way…
Guest: Adam Sandel – one of the two guys – Harvard Law School Climenko Fellow and Lecturer on Law
FIRE poll: Record high 74% of Americans say free speech is headed in wrong direction
Guest: Nathan Honeycutt - FIRE Research Fellow & Polling Manager
On Thursday, the Louis D Brown Peace Institute will be hosting an event at the Statehouse to kick off Homicide Awareness month.
Guest: Chaplain Clementina Chery - founded the Louis D. Brown Peace Institute in honor of her son, Louis D. Brown, who was murdered
AAA: Nearly 82 Million Americans Projected to Travel over Thanksgiving – Holiday travel forecast.
Guest: Jillian Young – Director of Public Relations for AAA Northeast
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling Mazy Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, so we have a very interesting Tuesday night
ahead of us. We have four very interesting guests in
the first hour and then we're gonna deal with three
different topics and three different guests. Going to talk with
Massachusetts State Senator Nick Collins about the continuing problem at
mass and cass and he believes he has a solution
(00:26):
which should help the problem, maybe even solve the problem.
Going to talk about that startling development in the Brian
Walsh murder case. He's accused of murdering his late wife
in a Walsh today, he pled guilty to two subordinate
charges if you will, one of which dealt with transportation
(00:47):
of her body and misleading police. Will get to all
of that. We will also talk at eleven o'clock about
distressing your life. Think you're burned out, Well you'll have
an opportunity to perhaps break that psych of exhaustion and
overwhelm and self doubt. We're gonna be talking with Amy Lenacers.
She's a former corporate executive. So we have some interesting topics.
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And by the way, if you miss any of the topics,
all you have to do is go to Nightside on
demand at any point, probably by two o'clock this morning.
Tonight's show. All of our shows broadcast are available in
podcast form. Again, my name is Dan Ray. I'm the
host of the show. Rob Brooks is back in the
control room. He of course is the producer. He'll set
(01:30):
you up with phone calls beginning at nine o'clock. We're
going to start off tonight with a really interesting story
that I saw on the Boston Globe. And with us
is Adam Sandel. He teaches at Harvard Law School. I
assume you're a graduate of Harvard Law School as well. Adam,
Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thank you, Dan, it's good to be with you.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, this story in the Globe, written by Billy Baker,
really caught my eye. You are in the Guinness Book
of World Records for doing all sorts of things in
the gym that deal with upper body strength. Tell us,
(02:14):
you know, we're that you have a competitor, a guy
from Gloucester, who were gonna certainly mention him as well. He's,
I guess, become quite a friend of yours. H and
his name is Ron Cooper from Glocester. We'll get to
him in a moment. But you're a young guy. You're
thirty seven graduate of Harvard Law School, you have a
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PhD from Oxford, and I guess you also teach at
the law school now, But you spend a lot of
time in the gym doing pull ups. How did that
interest develop?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, I've always been a big sports guy. So I
grew up around here in the Boston area, grew up
in Brookline, playing a lot of baseball, and I initially,
you know, at the end of high school, just wanted
to get stronger, to be able to hit home runs
for the first time. You know, I was always the
smallest kid in my high school baseball team, and so
initially I just started working out to get better at baseball.
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And then in college I came to like it for
its own sake, and a roommate of mine and I
would just work out together, you know, six days a week,
just to get as strong as we could. But then
it was in twenty fifteen that I learned of this guy,
Ron Cooper. He mentioned, who I learned had set the
Guinness World Record for most pull ups in a minute
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at that time with a forty pound backpack, and the
number was twenty five, and I said to myself, Wow,
that's impressive. You know. It's like I got to meet
this guy because I had been doing some pull ups.
They were always my favorite exercise, and so I just
cold called him and the rest is history. So he
was the one who really put the Guinness World Record
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stuff on my radar. Before that, it was just a
hobby that I really enjoyed, and you have crushed it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
First of all, well, what is the difference between know
pull up and a chin up? It looks the same,
but I guess the hand grip is different.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So pull up is with hands facing outward. Chin up
is hands facing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Inward, which is easier.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, it's interesting if you ask a beginner just to
close their eyes, grab the bar, try to pull themselves up,
they're naturally going to take a chin up grip. It
engages the biceps more. It's a muscle. It's a little
bit more commonly developed in people, so naturally a chin
up is going to be easier if it's your first time.
But interestingly enough, at the highest level it kind of
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converges so that those are about the same level of difficulty.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, it's interesting that this is pretty scientific. I mean,
when when you watch folks in the gym doing this,
and I spend time in the gym, but I'm more
of an elliptical guy. Okay, I'm worried about cardiac and
think cardiology and things like that, but I might get interested.
And it's been a long time, so of them pull
ups or chin ups? You there's a science to this.
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And where do you stand? Have you won the battle
of world records? Ron is a few years. He's got
a few years on you, is what I'm trying to say.
You're a younger You're a younger.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Guy he does. He's actually forty seven years old, and
it's extremely impressive and inspiring to me, and I think
to a lot of people that he's breaking records at
forty seven. So it shows that if you stay consistent
with something you know, even with such an intense athletic thing,
you can do really well. So I currently hold the
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record for most pull ups in a minute. That's just
standard pull ups, and that's seventy seven pull ups in
a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's nothing standard about that. I mean seventy seven pull ups.
Most people would have tough time doing seven pull ups,
even if they were pretty good shape. So you now
you're at Harvard, so you're a Cambridge guy. He's up
in Gloucester. As I understand that, do you guys get
together and work out together. I mean, there's a competition here,
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but there's also a collegiality. It seems to me it's
a great story.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Oh well, thank you. Yeah, we get together pretty much
every Saturday, and we've been doing this for the past
ten years almost and I think if you ask either
of us, what we would say is that we wouldn't
nearly be where we are with the pull ups and
with the chin ups without each other. And partly it's
just yeah, partly it's just seeing is believing, you know,
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being together seeing somebody else do it. But also it's
just the creativity and designing workouts because it's kind of
uncharted territory. So we just experiment with how to design
workouts and riff off each other every day when we
work out together to find what we can do just
a little bit differently, to keep pushing the boundary of
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this activity of pull ups.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I love to phrase ther riff off each other. The
image is a couple of guys with a guitar playing
playing together and then maybe playing off one another. So
here's my real question. I'm assuming that if you were
a baseball player in high school, you still occasionally, maybe
in the summertime, go out and hit a softball, right, sure, Okay,
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So how much has this expertise and push ups given
you in terms of hitting softballs for power? Are you
you're really able? I'm assuming you're able to clock these
slow pitch softballs.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Well yeah, I mean, it's the thing about hitting a
ball is it's so technical, requires such hand eye. But yeah,
you know, if I got back in the groove of it,
I think I could. I could hit it pretty well still,
but definitely when I was younger, after i'd started working out.
You know, I never was a home run hitter. I'm
five to eight weigh one hundred and fifty pounds, so
you know, I was not not a power guy, but
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definitely with the working ad, even with that relatively small
frame for baseball, I could hit it out well.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Patroya used to do a pretty good job of hitting
now with a frame very similar to that too. He
would hit laser shots. So that's what I suspect you
probably did. It would be interesting to know if any
Major League ballplayers of whatever size are utilizing your workout
regimen to basically get from a you know, warning track
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power guy that extra twenty feet that puts the ball
over the fence. Have any major league ballplayers you know
checked in with you, because I'll tell you, I think
there's something. I think you got something here that that
could you could actually market to major league ballplayers. I'm
serious when I say this.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
By the way, well I think that would be very cool.
No to answer your question, none ever to me, But
you know, one can always continue to hope.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, let me tell you don't. Don't put that thought
out of your mind, because do you remember there's a
lefty pitcher, Tom House. Uh, he's now I think a
pitching coach in the Rangers organization. He developed the idea
to strengthen pitchers pitchers throw footballs, and he was considered.
It was like, what are you talking about throwing footballs?
And that actually works from major league pitchers, And so
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think about that one. I'm telling you right now, Adam,
you may have something there. You got some guys who
hit fifteen or you know, eighteen home runs a year.
If you can pop them up to thirty, Uh, you'd
be doing him a huge favor, huge favor, Adam Sandel.
I really enjoyed the conversation. Always good to talk to.
Basically a baseball guy who now is a world champion
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Guinness Book of Record, push out, push up and pull
up guy. Not push up guy, but pull up guy.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Just it's a great story and I hope everyone gets
a chance to read it in the Boston Globe.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, thank you, it was great to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
How are things going in Harvard Law School these days?
I hope pretty well.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, things are good, you believe it or not. I
did some poll ups at an end of semester event.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I'm not surprised that would have impressed. That would have
impressed again, Brain and Braun. Adam, thank you so much.
Great to talk with you tonight. Keep us posted when
when you break up some more world records. Okay, thanks,
thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I will Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
All right, we're gonna keep rolling here we come back.
We're going to talk with a representative of Fire. This
is a wonderful organization. Harvey Silverglade founded it many years ago.
We're gonna be talking with Nathan Honeycut about the importance
of free speech and what importance the American public puts
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on this in free speech, the Foundation of individual Rights
an Expression. We'll be back on Nightside. It's a Tuesday
night and we just are at seven nine rather eight
nineteen on my clock, which I coordinated with Rob, so
I actually be able to give you good time checks tonight.
Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm a huge fan of the Foundation for Individual Rights
and Expression FIRE, co founded by my great friend Harvey
Silverglade from Cambridge with us as Nathan Honeycutt. He's the
FIRE research fellow and polling manager. Nathan, Welcome to Nightside.
You are not the first person from FIRE to be
on this program, but we follow what you guys do,
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and you have do a study every I guess quarter
on the number of Americans who think that free speech
might be heading in the wrong direction. That's why we
have you on tonight. First of all, welcome to Nightside.
How are you, Nathan? I hope things well with.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You doing well? Thank you for having me tonight. I
always loved coming on and talking about our newest data.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, unfortunately, your newest data is not something that any
of US should be happy about because merely now, somewhere
around seventy four percent of Americans, according to a quarterly
National Speech Index, I think that things are headed in
the wrong direction for free speech. Only twenty six percent
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who think things are headed in the right direction. And
this represents a ten point jump since last July. What's
going on? This is scary.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, this is the highest we've ever seen it for
Americans saying I think the their ability to express themselves
freely is heading in the wrong direction. It's been in
the high sixties before, but seventy four percent is a
new high. I mean, we sliced this by a variety
of different things. We looked at it. One of the
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most interesting was we looked at it by political party registration.
Since Trump was elected, Republicans confidence and the state of
free speech has steadily increased. But even among Republicans this
quarter there was over a ten point drop. Stand like
that things took a turn.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And there's also a drop amongst registered Independents and also Democrats.
Only eleven percent of Democrats think that The question is
when it comes to whether people are able to freely
express their views, do you think things in America are
heading in the right direction. So is it common for
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the party that is out of power to feel that
we're heading in the wrong direction because of the fact
that they're out of power, or how does that play again?
Everybody's feeling worse about free speech, Republicans, Independence, and Democrats.
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But is it normally the party that's in power for
feels better and the party out of power feels worse.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
From what we've seen in our polling. Yes, So we
first started the National Speech Index back in January twenty
twenty fourth, we almost had two years worth the data,
and back then, consistently January twenty four until October twenty
twenty four, because Biden was president, then Democrats consistently said, yeah,
free speech is heading in the right direction, and Republicans
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and wavered around like nineteen to twenty six percent saying
it's heading in the right direction. January twenty twenty five
hit and it was just a mere reversal all of
a sudden. Republicans shot from around twenty four percent saying
it's heading in the right direction up into the sixties,
and then Democrats just the exact opposite, dropped from the
fifties down to seventeen and now, this is the lowest
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we've ever seen in any group Democrats that eleven Republicans
were never even that low.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well have experienced, you know, people who every normal person
and when I say normal, except for the people on
the extremes of either party.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Uh. And sometimes I actually have the feeling say whatever
you want, because if you are a virulent racist, I'd
like to know that. Okay, if you're a virulent anti semit,
you know, expose yourself, let us know who you really are.
And there's a there's an advantage of that. But most
normal Americans understand that there are certain language, uh, certain
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certain phrases and words that really should be in no
one's lexicon.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
In my opinion, I might you may disagree with me.
I'm I consider myself somewhat of an absolutist and free speech. However,
we've had the left assaulting free speech in this country
now for a good ten or so years, you know,
with microaggressions, macroaggressions, people correcting, you know, and sometimes the
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terminology is you know what, you know, what phrase does
someone want to be called? I mean, there's a lot
of stuff going on that is and it's costing friendships
and we'll have arguments over Thanksgiving dinners in the next
ten days or so nine days. We're not in a
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good place right now as a country.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, it's it's pretty pretty dark, pretty dismal in terms
of what people are thinking. And I mean, yeah, that's
it's it's over the last ten years or so, I
would agree in many of the cases that FIRE has
taken and Fire over the last ten years has been
perceived as a conservative, right leaning, right leaning organization because
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so many of the people we were helping were on
the right, because they're the ones who had their their
speech rights under attack. But I agree with you entirely.
It's like, I want to know who the racist is
in the room. I want to know who the anti
semites or or anybody who holds extreme views, because if
they're hiding it, then you can't do anything about it.
You can't have an open discussion and try to change
someone's views. And people's views usually become more extreme when
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they're siloed off and can't share them. So I think
for a lot of Democrats, they're waking up, Oh wow,
like this this is kind of the bed we made
over the last ten years. This isn't great. Now we're
not the party in power. Now it's us who are
coming under attack. And so I think it's turning a
lot of Democrats towards the free speech movement saying, yeah,
this isn't good. We need to get things back on track.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well again, I think it was Charlie Kirk who said
that when the conversation stops, that's when the violence begins,
or something like that. And I'll tell you every point
of view is welcome on this show. I'm not going
to agree with every point of view. I'm not some
guy who's doing Expandon's going to sit there and say, oh,
thank you for yes. No, no, no, I'll tell you
if I agree with you not. But all points of
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view are welcome here. And certainly Fire is always welcome
here because it's a great organization. It is a non
partisan organization, and it is an organization that all of
us need. So thanks very much. How can folks get
in Fire? Get in touch with Fire if they would
like to look at your publications or support you give
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us a good website.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, you can visit at that fire dot org. And
we've got lots of information on how to sign up
for email updates, how to read this report. It's in
the research section, and tons of data out there. We
do our annual survey with students, surveys with faculty, this tracker,
so lots of good stuff for people interested in this data,
free speech and what they should be looking out for.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Nathan again, welcome back, come on back, So thank you
so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Well do thanks so much for having me tonight, very welcome.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
The news is next, and then right after that we're
going to talk with Chaplain Clementina Cherry. She founded the
Lewis D. Brown Peace Institute in honor of her son,
Lewis D. Brown, who was murdered. They do incredible work.
As the twenty fifth annual Survivors of Homicide Victims Awareness
Month opening ceremony, we will talk with Chaplain Clementina Sherry
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when we get back. Last night, we did talk, as
I think many of you know, with a Boston pastor,
member here of the clergy who's very concerned about the
number of homicides in what he called the murdered Triangle.
We'll talk with Chaplin Cherry right after the news at
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the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Hour here on Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm w Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I want to welcome back to Night'side, Chaplain Clementina Cherry Chaplin,
welcome back to Nightside. How are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (19:36):
I am blessed. Thank you so much for the invitation.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We're blessed to have you, that's for sure. You have
for twenty five years now. Then the backbone of the
Lewis D. Brown Peace Institute, named in honor of your son,
Lewis D. Brown, who was murdered twenty five years.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Ago and thirty two years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Two. Oh, my god, we're getting older.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
December yeh, next month will be thirty two years.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh. The reason I was saying twenty five is if
tomorrow is the twenty fifth annual Survivors of Homicide Victims
Awareness Month opening ceremony, tell us about that. It's going
to be at the State House, right.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
It's going to be at the State House at the
Great Hall. Yeah. We decided to do that, the thing
with families of murdered victims because nothing has physically happened
to us. There's really no attention being put the way
we observe domestic violence, sexual assault, hate crimes, LGBTQ, all
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the important issues that we are dealing with when it
came to murdered victims, there was no place for us
because nothing physically happened to us, and so we wanted
to let our voices be heard. We are here. We
are more than a story, We are more than a headline.
We are families whose loved ones have been murdered, and
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we deserve to be treated with dignity and compassion. So
we work with our state legislators to really say, how
do we find a time that talks about those families
in the aftermath of a homicide? And Cheryl Jakes and
Maurice Saint Floyd at that time state Senator and State rep.
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We worked with survivors from across the state, providers institutions
to create a Survivors of Homicide Victims Awareness Month November
twentieth through December twentieth, close enough to the holidays, but
not too close to the holidays, and it offers an
opportunity to educate the public, policymakers, and religious leaders the
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effect and the impact that homicide has on families and communities,
and also to uplift the peace building efforts of those
of us whose loved ones have been murdered and how
we are contributing to the better of our city.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, you know it's ironic. Last night we spent two
hours with Reverend Kevin Peterson and the New Democracy Coalition
talking about what some folks in the UH in the Rochester,
in the Dorchester, Roxbury, Mattapan, Hyde Park, South End community
to talk about the murdered triangle. And the point that
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we that I was trying to make last night was
that we have for too long as the society tolerated
what what is happening to young men, particularly young black
men UH in that in that part of Boston UH,
and Reverend Peterson also said that there was not much
support from the elected officials. So last night we were
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UH commemorating the the eighteen year old young young girl,
the young woman from Walden, Jacana Lewis, who was shot
on October eleventh and was on life support for several
weeks and finally her organs were harvested and she has passed.
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And we talked to her all, who was very eloquent
last night, and a couple of her cousins. And the
problem is that this just goes on and on and on,
and every week, every month there's another family impacted and
God knows, you have been in the forefront of this
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battle for you know, for thirty two years, and I
don't know how we can stop it. One thing that
I do know, Joplin Cherry, is that if this sort
of murder rate was occurring in some of our suburbs,
that the politicians would do everything up to and including
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heavy the National Guard on every street corner to stop it.
But it just seems that the political leaders in Boston
are not responding to this in the way that it
needs to be responded to. We talked about Dolores Brown,
the grandmother who was shot to death while sitting on
her fortune a couple of springs ago. We've talked about
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other kids as young as ten and twelve. How do
we end this? No one has seen it more than
you have, and what is the solution. Is there a solution?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Well, yes, there is a solution, and you've just said it.
If this was in a white neighborhood, the attention would
be astronomically every news media. But because it's black, and
it's because the narrative when Lewis was killed, that's what
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it was. It was a drug deal gone bad. The
narrative was already placed there and there's no accountability. Let
me explain somethings and let.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Me just say one thing. Recollection of Lewis's death was
that he was an outstanding student. There was no he was.
He was the victim. He had he was doing nothing wrong.
And you're right, maybe people think reactively, oh it has
to be a bad kid that could shot exactly, That's
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what it was.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
We switched the narrative. We took control of the narrative.
And I think that's the part that we as a community.
And this is not new. This happened in nineteen ninety six.
It happened when when when the Boston miracle happened, and
there is no follow up. So this is bigger than
we are and we have to do strategically one the day.
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That tells us in order to address the issue of violence,
intervention must happen at multiple level. Right now, the more murder,
the more money this city gets, and it's invested in
police and prosecution, we need to invest in primary prevention.
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That's what the data tells us too. We've got churches
in every one of these neighborhoods and a lot of
these families the victim families and those who are accused
of killing belong to these churches. We as a society
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then pick and choose who we want to. There's a
homicide that just happened on Saturday. Why aren't we reporting
on this young man that was killed? They're eighteen hundred
nsold murders in the city of Boston. We work at
Northeastern University to issue a report and trying to get
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attention to this. So there's so many things that we
can do. The media needs to begin to challenge murder
triangle that it's my soul. We call annunciation road, we
call it assassination roads. When the homicides happened in Mattterpan,
we called it Birderpand we are more than the headlines.
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We are more than what IM media say is so
I get it. I was one of those that felt
that we got a report of all the bad things.
But as people are faith, it has to be more
than just the headlines. It has to balance. Look at
all of those survivors twenty four homicide and when we
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pick and choose. I respect Ververon Peterson, but what happened
to the twenty three homicides and why didn't we come
out to support all of those families. So that's the
part of the community chaplain.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's exactly what has to happen. And I think again
that as opposed to just the TV stations going over
there and taking pictures of the police lights and the
yellow tape, they need to start telling the stories of
the families who have been ripped apart.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
And I just and that's what we want to do.
We want to train the news media. We've developed our curriculum.
How do you respond and report in a way that's
ethical and compassion How do we make sure when we're
going to respond to families, we're doing it with a
way that it's not just the headlines. If it bleeds,
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it leads.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
As you know, I've been in this city a long
time a television reporter and now's the talk show host,
and I have talked about every one of these murders,
particularly the ones like Dolores Brown's sixty year old grandmother.
And you always have opportunity to come on my show.
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So any you know my numbers, anytime that you feel necessary,
please call me. If you don't have my direct number,
I'll have Rob give it to you. Because I grew
up in the city. Yeah, I went to school from
every with kids from every section of the k of
the city. We're no longer kids, but it's our responsibility
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as to make the city better. So I'm an ally,
I'm an asset. Please let's do this, take advantage of
this program.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Okay, I do you know what? Thank you for that invitation.
I definitely will because for us, every time someone is
murder on us street, it's again the families and then
looking at those that committed the crime. We are within
the same neighborhood, so we're not We're losing at both ends,
and that's the work where we are called to do
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what God is asking us to do. Act justly, love, mercifully,
and humbly obey your God. Call us a murder triangle.
We're impacted on both sides as a homicide.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And by the way, you know you're much more religious
than I am. But for God that I know doesn't
discriminate between kids who are born in Roxbury or kids
who were born in Wellesley and ag and every one
of us are made in the likeness and image and
each of one of us is a precious soul. So
please feel free to always be in touch with me, Robi,
(30:23):
give you my direct number. How can folks support the
Lewis D. Brown Peace Initiative? Do you want to give
us a website that people can check out?
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Yes, we are right now on a twenty five million
dollar campaign. We're building a national center of healing, teaching,
and learning. People can join us build with us LdB
P S Peace Institute dot org. And they're also welcome
to join us tomorrow at the Statehouse ten to twelve
(30:51):
and the Great Hall. We're always looking for volunteers.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
All right, Chaplin, Thank you so much. John, God bless
you and God bless the work you do.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Thank you so much, man, thank you so much for
the invitation.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Dan, very welcome, stay there and Robi give you my
direct line. Okay, we get back. We're going to talk
about traveling over Thanksgiving. Gonna talk with Gillian Young. She's
the director of public relations for Triple A Northeast. Nearly
eighty two million Americans projected to travel over Thanksgiving. We'll
give you the holiday travel forecast coming up on the
other side of the break.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Night Side with Dan Ray, IBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Thanksgiving is nine days away. My favorite holiday of the year.
With us. Jillian Young, director of public relations for tripa
A Northeast. Jillian, Welcome back to night Side. It's gonna
be a very busy Thanksgiving. The government shutdown is over.
I think that the air traffic is coming back to
(31:49):
a semblance of normalcy and eighty two million Americans are
going to travel, most of them by car. What are
we looking at overall? The one thing we kind of
talk about is the weather, but we can talk about
the numbers that the Triple A's projecting tell us about them.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Yeah, Dan, slights resuming to normal just in time for
one of the busiest travel times of the whole year.
And as you said, yet, we're projecting nearly eighty two
million people are going to travel a lease fifty miles
from home over this holiday period and Thanksgiving is the
single busiest holiday for travel that we see. So, you know,
we're not surprised to see that this many people are
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planning to get out there, and it's not surprising that
people are willing to kind of brave the crowds, deal
with some traffic, make some last minute adjustments to their
plans if they needed to. Everyone's going to do what
they have to do to travel for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well, here's your projections. Here. You have the numbers of travelers. Obviously,
if we go back to twenty nineteen, it was about
eighty million, excuse me, seventy eight million. Big drop. In
twenty twenty when COVID was roaring, it dropped down well
thirty three percent. You were down about fifty six million,
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and it came back pretty quickly. In twenty twenty one,
it jumped up seventeen million, up to seventy three million,
and it grew in twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,
and it's going to hit the highest number ever eighty
one point eight million. Surprisingly, I was stunned to see
that ninety percent are people who are traveling by car,
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seventy and a half percent by airplane, and about three
percent by other which I assume are mostly either trains
or buses.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Right, Yeah, we should count cruises in that as well,
and we have seen a pretty big boom and cruise demand,
so that counts for some of the growth there. But yeah,
Thanks Thanksgiving and the drive holiday, so the large majority
of these travelers are going to be hitting the roads.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, so let's talk about since let's focus on drivers.
What is the best day to head over to Grandma's house?
And what is the worst day to you know, over
the river and through the woods to Grandma's house.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
We go. The best day if you can do a
really early trip is Monday, the week of Thanksgiving. We
tell people if you can head out that weekend before
Tuesday is going to be a really big travel day.
And Wednesday as well. And early is the name of
the game, both in terms of early in the week
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if you can get out, but also early in the
morning if you are traveling, not Tuesday or Wednesday, before
noon before eleven am is going to be your best
bet to avoid some of the worst traffics.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Okay, and what about Thanksgiving itself? We we go up
to some relatives home, and we traveled in the middle
of the day. We drive for about forty miles. I
guess is what you'd say, You know, you don't want
to get to too early. I mean, if they tell you, hey,
we're gonna come on up a round two o'clock and
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we'll at dinner about three or three thirty, you don't
want to show up at ten and morning.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
No, you don't want to be the guests that are there.
Is they're still trying to scramble to get things in
the oven and get the table set right.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, and you don't want to be the guest on
to stay over if when you get up on Sunday
morning there's a sign that says it's Sunday. When are
you leaving? Right?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Right, you've overstayed. You're welcome. On the holiday itself, we
expect pretty minimal traffic. A lot of people who are
making big trips have already headed to their destinations at
that point, and of course there is some local traffic
you'll see just as people are kind of making a
really short trips for Thanksgiving dinner. But the worst of
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it is not anything you're going to see on the holiday.
So that's actually a pretty decent day.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Then let's round it out the best day to again,
assuming that your relatives or your friends will allow you
to stay over a night or two, what is the
best day or the worst day to head back home?
Speaker 7 (35:57):
Sunday is a really biby day.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Okay, so people have stayed the weekend.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Yeah, people who are doing a full kind of long
weekend trip of it. A lot of people are heading
back on Sunday. So you know, if you can wait
until Monday, wait until then. Also, Friday is a decent
day to travel because a lot of people are staying
at their destinations at least through Friday. But again, the
name of the game is early. We look at Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
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If you can head out in the morning before like
ten eleven am, that's going to be your best travel
time for the day.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, I'll tell you, we always appreciate Triple A helping
us out here. You guys do a great job. Anybody
who doesn't have Triple A insurance I think is crazy
because frankly, our family has it and we use it
frequently and don't raise the rates.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
But you can glad to hear it.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, I'm a big fan of Triple A, I really am.
I think that particularly if you have kids who are driving,
get them Triple A as well. If you can afford it.
That is for that's for certain for me. That's my
travel tip of the day. Jillian Young, director of public
relations for Triva A Northeast, Thank you so much, so
great to have you back. It's it's a great holiday.
(37:14):
Take take advantage of it and remember if you're going
to have a few drinks get a designated driver. Absolutely,
we don't want anything any problems for anyone and I
wish you and your family are very happy and healthy.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Thanksgiving you too, Dan, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
All right, Julie, we'll talk again. Thank you so much.
When we get back. We're going to dive into some
of the issues here in New England that we're concerned about,
and certainly one of the big issues in Boston is
the mess at Mass and Cass. It should be called
mess and casts. But with us will be Massachusetts State
Senator Nick Collins, one of the good guys. He has
(37:53):
a introduced a bill and act relative to life saving treatment.
He hopes to tackle how best to deal with all
the problems of Mass and Cass. And I think he's
got a great idea, including buying a cruise ship, which
sounds maybe a little crazy. Way do you hear the
benefits of that where they can start to treat people,
(38:16):
particularly as the winter approaches. We'll be back with my guest,
Nick Collins, State Senator Nick Collins, whose district includes mass
and Cass. He's a he's a good guy up there
at the State House. And I'll tell you he's uh,
he's doing a good job, and this piece of legislation,
this is a huge problem, so please stay with us.
Feel free to light the phone lines up and give
(38:37):
him a word of encouragement because this is a member
of the legislature who's actually looking out for you and
me
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling Mazy Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, so we have a very interesting Tuesday night
ahead of us. We have four very interesting guests in
the first hour and then we're gonna deal with three
different topics and three different guests. Going to talk with
Massachusetts State Senator Nick Collins about the continuing problem at
mass and cass and he believes he has a solution
(00:26):
which should help the problem, maybe even solve the problem.
Going to talk about that startling development in the Brian
Walsh murder case. He's accused of murdering his late wife
in a Walsh today, he pled guilty to two subordinate
charges if you will, one of which dealt with transportation
(00:47):
of her body and misleading police. Will get to all
of that. We will also talk at eleven o'clock about
distressing your life. Think you're burned out, Well you'll have
an opportunity to perhaps break that psych of exhaustion and
overwhelm and self doubt. We're gonna be talking with Amy Lenacers.
She's a former corporate executive. So we have some interesting topics.
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And by the way, if you miss any of the topics,
all you have to do is go to Nightside on
demand at any point, probably by two o'clock this morning.
Tonight's show. All of our shows broadcast are available in
podcast form. Again, my name is Dan Ray. I'm the
host of the show. Rob Brooks is back in the
control room. He of course is the producer. He'll set
(01:30):
you up with phone calls beginning at nine o'clock. We're
going to start off tonight with a really interesting story
that I saw on the Boston Globe. And with us
is Adam Sandel. He teaches at Harvard Law School. I
assume you're a graduate of Harvard Law School as well. Adam,
Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thank you, Dan, it's good to be with you.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, this story in the Globe, written by Billy Baker,
really caught my eye. You are in the Guinness Book
of World Records for doing all sorts of things in
the gym that deal with upper body strength. Tell us,
(02:14):
you know, we're that you have a competitor, a guy
from Gloucester, who were gonna certainly mention him as well. He's,
I guess, become quite a friend of yours. H and
his name is Ron Cooper from Glocester. We'll get to
him in a moment. But you're a young guy. You're
thirty seven graduate of Harvard Law School, you have a
(02:35):
PhD from Oxford, and I guess you also teach at
the law school now, But you spend a lot of
time in the gym doing pull ups. How did that
interest develop?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, I've always been a big sports guy. So I
grew up around here in the Boston area, grew up
in Brookline, playing a lot of baseball, and I initially,
you know, at the end of high school, just wanted
to get stronger, to be able to hit home runs
for the first time. You know, I was always the
smallest kid in my high school baseball team, and so
initially I just started working out to get better at baseball.
(03:11):
And then in college I came to like it for
its own sake, and a roommate of mine and I
would just work out together, you know, six days a week,
just to get as strong as we could. But then
it was in twenty fifteen that I learned of this guy,
Ron Cooper. He mentioned, who I learned had set the
Guinness World Record for most pull ups in a minute
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at that time with a forty pound backpack, and the
number was twenty five, and I said to myself, Wow,
that's impressive. You know. It's like I got to meet
this guy because I had been doing some pull ups.
They were always my favorite exercise, and so I just
cold called him and the rest is history. So he
was the one who really put the Guinness World Record
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stuff on my radar. Before that, it was just a
hobby that I really enjoyed, and you have crushed it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
First of all, well, what is the difference between know
pull up and a chin up? It looks the same,
but I guess the hand grip is different.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So pull up is with hands facing outward. Chin up
is hands facing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Inward, which is easier.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, it's interesting if you ask a beginner just to
close their eyes, grab the bar, try to pull themselves up,
they're naturally going to take a chin up grip. It
engages the biceps more. It's a muscle. It's a little
bit more commonly developed in people, so naturally a chin
up is going to be easier if it's your first time.
But interestingly enough, at the highest level it kind of
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converges so that those are about the same level of difficulty.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, it's interesting that this is pretty scientific. I mean,
when when you watch folks in the gym doing this,
and I spend time in the gym, but I'm more
of an elliptical guy. Okay, I'm worried about cardiac and
think cardiology and things like that, but I might get interested.
And it's been a long time, so of them pull
ups or chin ups? You there's a science to this.
(05:05):
And where do you stand? Have you won the battle
of world records? Ron is a few years. He's got
a few years on you, is what I'm trying to say.
You're a younger You're a younger.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Guy he does. He's actually forty seven years old, and
it's extremely impressive and inspiring to me, and I think
to a lot of people that he's breaking records at
forty seven. So it shows that if you stay consistent
with something you know, even with such an intense athletic thing,
you can do really well. So I currently hold the
(05:41):
record for most pull ups in a minute. That's just
standard pull ups, and that's seventy seven pull ups in
a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's nothing standard about that. I mean seventy seven pull ups.
Most people would have tough time doing seven pull ups,
even if they were pretty good shape. So you now
you're at Harvard, so you're a Cambridge guy. He's up
in Gloucester. As I understand that, do you guys get
together and work out together. I mean, there's a competition here,
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but there's also a collegiality. It seems to me it's
a great story.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Oh well, thank you. Yeah, we get together pretty much
every Saturday, and we've been doing this for the past
ten years almost and I think if you ask either
of us, what we would say is that we wouldn't
nearly be where we are with the pull ups and
with the chin ups without each other. And partly it's
just yeah, partly it's just seeing is believing, you know,
(06:40):
being together seeing somebody else do it. But also it's
just the creativity and designing workouts because it's kind of
uncharted territory. So we just experiment with how to design
workouts and riff off each other every day when we
work out together to find what we can do just
a little bit differently, to keep pushing the boundary of
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this activity of pull ups.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I love to phrase ther riff off each other. The
image is a couple of guys with a guitar playing
playing together and then maybe playing off one another. So
here's my real question. I'm assuming that if you were
a baseball player in high school, you still occasionally, maybe
in the summertime, go out and hit a softball, right, sure, Okay,
(07:25):
So how much has this expertise and push ups given
you in terms of hitting softballs for power? Are you
you're really able? I'm assuming you're able to clock these
slow pitch softballs.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Well yeah, I mean, it's the thing about hitting a
ball is it's so technical, requires such hand eye. But yeah,
you know, if I got back in the groove of it,
I think I could. I could hit it pretty well still,
but definitely when I was younger, after i'd started working out.
You know, I never was a home run hitter. I'm
five to eight weigh one hundred and fifty pounds, so
you know, I was not not a power guy, but
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definitely with the working ad, even with that relatively small
frame for baseball, I could hit it out well.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Patroya used to do a pretty good job of hitting
now with a frame very similar to that too. He
would hit laser shots. So that's what I suspect you
probably did. It would be interesting to know if any
Major League ballplayers of whatever size are utilizing your workout
regimen to basically get from a you know, warning track
(08:35):
power guy that extra twenty feet that puts the ball
over the fence. Have any major league ballplayers you know
checked in with you, because I'll tell you, I think
there's something. I think you got something here that that
could you could actually market to major league ballplayers. I'm
serious when I say this.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
By the way, well I think that would be very cool.
No to answer your question, none ever to me, But
you know, one can always continue to hope.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, let me tell you don't. Don't put that thought
out of your mind, because do you remember there's a
lefty pitcher, Tom House. Uh, he's now I think a
pitching coach in the Rangers organization. He developed the idea
to strengthen pitchers pitchers throw footballs, and he was considered.
It was like, what are you talking about throwing footballs?
And that actually works from major league pitchers, And so
(09:26):
think about that one. I'm telling you right now, Adam,
you may have something there. You got some guys who
hit fifteen or you know, eighteen home runs a year.
If you can pop them up to thirty, Uh, you'd
be doing him a huge favor, huge favor, Adam Sandel.
I really enjoyed the conversation. Always good to talk to.
Basically a baseball guy who now is a world champion
(09:49):
Guinness Book of Record, push out, push up and pull
up guy. Not push up guy, but pull up guy.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Just it's a great story and I hope everyone gets
a chance to read it in the Boston Globe.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, thank you, it was great to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
How are things going in Harvard Law School these days?
I hope pretty well.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, things are good, you believe it or not. I
did some poll ups at an end of semester event.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I'm not surprised that would have impressed. That would have
impressed again, Brain and Braun. Adam, thank you so much.
Great to talk with you tonight. Keep us posted when
when you break up some more world records. Okay, thanks,
thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I will Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
All right, we're gonna keep rolling here we come back.
We're going to talk with a representative of Fire. This
is a wonderful organization. Harvey Silverglade founded it many years ago.
We're gonna be talking with Nathan Honeycut about the importance
of free speech and what importance the American public puts
(10:54):
on this in free speech, the Foundation of individual Rights
an Expression. We'll be back on Nightside. It's a Tuesday
night and we just are at seven nine rather eight
nineteen on my clock, which I coordinated with Rob, so
I actually be able to give you good time checks tonight.
Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm a huge fan of the Foundation for Individual Rights
and Expression FIRE, co founded by my great friend Harvey
Silverglade from Cambridge with us as Nathan Honeycutt. He's the
FIRE research fellow and polling manager. Nathan, Welcome to Nightside.
You are not the first person from FIRE to be
on this program, but we follow what you guys do,
(11:43):
and you have do a study every I guess quarter
on the number of Americans who think that free speech
might be heading in the wrong direction. That's why we
have you on tonight. First of all, welcome to Nightside.
How are you, Nathan? I hope things well with.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You doing well? Thank you for having me tonight. I
always loved coming on and talking about our newest data.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, unfortunately, your newest data is not something that any
of US should be happy about because merely now, somewhere
around seventy four percent of Americans, according to a quarterly
National Speech Index, I think that things are headed in
the wrong direction for free speech. Only twenty six percent
(12:27):
who think things are headed in the right direction. And
this represents a ten point jump since last July. What's
going on? This is scary.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, this is the highest we've ever seen it for
Americans saying I think the their ability to express themselves
freely is heading in the wrong direction. It's been in
the high sixties before, but seventy four percent is a
new high. I mean, we sliced this by a variety
of different things. We looked at it. One of the
(12:55):
most interesting was we looked at it by political party registration.
Since Trump was elected, Republicans confidence and the state of
free speech has steadily increased. But even among Republicans this
quarter there was over a ten point drop. Stand like
that things took a turn.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And there's also a drop amongst registered Independents and also Democrats.
Only eleven percent of Democrats think that The question is
when it comes to whether people are able to freely
express their views, do you think things in America are
heading in the right direction. So is it common for
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the party that is out of power to feel that
we're heading in the wrong direction because of the fact
that they're out of power, or how does that play again?
Everybody's feeling worse about free speech, Republicans, Independence, and Democrats.
(13:57):
But is it normally the party that's in power for
feels better and the party out of power feels worse.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
From what we've seen in our polling. Yes, So we
first started the National Speech Index back in January twenty
twenty fourth, we almost had two years worth the data,
and back then, consistently January twenty four until October twenty
twenty four, because Biden was president, then Democrats consistently said, yeah,
free speech is heading in the right direction, and Republicans
(14:27):
and wavered around like nineteen to twenty six percent saying
it's heading in the right direction. January twenty twenty five
hit and it was just a mere reversal all of
a sudden. Republicans shot from around twenty four percent saying
it's heading in the right direction up into the sixties,
and then Democrats just the exact opposite, dropped from the
fifties down to seventeen and now, this is the lowest
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we've ever seen in any group Democrats that eleven Republicans
were never even that low.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well have experienced, you know, people who every normal person
and when I say normal, except for the people on
the extremes of either party.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Uh. And sometimes I actually have the feeling say whatever
you want, because if you are a virulent racist, I'd
like to know that. Okay, if you're a virulent anti semit,
you know, expose yourself, let us know who you really are.
And there's a there's an advantage of that. But most
normal Americans understand that there are certain language, uh, certain
(15:28):
certain phrases and words that really should be in no
one's lexicon.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
In my opinion, I might you may disagree with me.
I'm I consider myself somewhat of an absolutist and free speech. However,
we've had the left assaulting free speech in this country
now for a good ten or so years, you know,
with microaggressions, macroaggressions, people correcting, you know, and sometimes the
(15:54):
terminology is you know what, you know, what phrase does
someone want to be called? I mean, there's a lot
of stuff going on that is and it's costing friendships
and we'll have arguments over Thanksgiving dinners in the next
ten days or so nine days. We're not in a
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good place right now as a country.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, it's it's pretty pretty dark, pretty dismal in terms
of what people are thinking. And I mean, yeah, that's
it's it's over the last ten years or so, I
would agree in many of the cases that FIRE has
taken and Fire over the last ten years has been
perceived as a conservative, right leaning, right leaning organization because
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so many of the people we were helping were on
the right, because they're the ones who had their their
speech rights under attack. But I agree with you entirely.
It's like, I want to know who the racist is
in the room. I want to know who the anti
semites or or anybody who holds extreme views, because if
they're hiding it, then you can't do anything about it.
You can't have an open discussion and try to change
someone's views. And people's views usually become more extreme when
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they're siloed off and can't share them. So I think
for a lot of Democrats, they're waking up, Oh wow,
like this this is kind of the bed we made
over the last ten years. This isn't great. Now we're
not the party in power. Now it's us who are
coming under attack. And so I think it's turning a
lot of Democrats towards the free speech movement saying, yeah,
this isn't good. We need to get things back on track.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well again, I think it was Charlie Kirk who said
that when the conversation stops, that's when the violence begins,
or something like that. And I'll tell you every point
of view is welcome on this show. I'm not going
to agree with every point of view. I'm not some
guy who's doing Expandon's going to sit there and say, oh,
thank you for yes. No, no, no, I'll tell you
if I agree with you not. But all points of
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view are welcome here. And certainly Fire is always welcome
here because it's a great organization. It is a non
partisan organization, and it is an organization that all of
us need. So thanks very much. How can folks get
in Fire? Get in touch with Fire if they would
like to look at your publications or support you give
(18:06):
us a good website.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, you can visit at that fire dot org. And
we've got lots of information on how to sign up
for email updates, how to read this report. It's in
the research section, and tons of data out there. We
do our annual survey with students, surveys with faculty, this tracker,
so lots of good stuff for people interested in this data,
free speech and what they should be looking out for.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Nathan again, welcome back, come on back, So thank you
so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Well do thanks so much for having me tonight, very welcome.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
The news is next, and then right after that we're
going to talk with Chaplain Clementina Cherry. She founded the
Lewis D. Brown Peace Institute in honor of her son,
Lewis D. Brown, who was murdered. They do incredible work.
As the twenty fifth annual Survivors of Homicide Victims Awareness
Month opening ceremony, we will talk with Chaplain Clementina Sherry
(19:00):
when we get back. Last night, we did talk, as
I think many of you know, with a Boston pastor,
member here of the clergy who's very concerned about the
number of homicides in what he called the murdered Triangle.
We'll talk with Chaplin Cherry right after the news at
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the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Hour here on Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm w Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I want to welcome back to Night'side, Chaplain Clementina Cherry Chaplin,
welcome back to Nightside. How are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (19:36):
I am blessed. Thank you so much for the invitation.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We're blessed to have you, that's for sure. You have
for twenty five years now. Then the backbone of the
Lewis D. Brown Peace Institute, named in honor of your son,
Lewis D. Brown, who was murdered twenty five years.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Ago and thirty two years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Two. Oh, my god, we're getting older.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
December yeh, next month will be thirty two years.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh. The reason I was saying twenty five is if
tomorrow is the twenty fifth annual Survivors of Homicide Victims
Awareness Month opening ceremony, tell us about that. It's going
to be at the State House, right.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
It's going to be at the State House at the
Great Hall. Yeah. We decided to do that, the thing
with families of murdered victims because nothing has physically happened
to us. There's really no attention being put the way
we observe domestic violence, sexual assault, hate crimes, LGBTQ, all
(20:41):
the important issues that we are dealing with when it
came to murdered victims, there was no place for us
because nothing physically happened to us, and so we wanted
to let our voices be heard. We are here. We
are more than a story, We are more than a headline.
We are families whose loved ones have been murdered, and
(21:02):
we deserve to be treated with dignity and compassion. So
we work with our state legislators to really say, how
do we find a time that talks about those families
in the aftermath of a homicide? And Cheryl Jakes and
Maurice Saint Floyd at that time state Senator and State rep.
(21:22):
We worked with survivors from across the state, providers institutions
to create a Survivors of Homicide Victims Awareness Month November
twentieth through December twentieth, close enough to the holidays, but
not too close to the holidays, and it offers an
opportunity to educate the public, policymakers, and religious leaders the
(21:47):
effect and the impact that homicide has on families and communities,
and also to uplift the peace building efforts of those
of us whose loved ones have been murdered and how
we are contributing to the better of our city.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, you know it's ironic. Last night we spent two
hours with Reverend Kevin Peterson and the New Democracy Coalition
talking about what some folks in the UH in the Rochester,
in the Dorchester, Roxbury, Mattapan, Hyde Park, South End community
to talk about the murdered triangle. And the point that
(22:24):
we that I was trying to make last night was
that we have for too long as the society tolerated
what what is happening to young men, particularly young black
men UH in that in that part of Boston UH,
and Reverend Peterson also said that there was not much
support from the elected officials. So last night we were
(22:47):
UH commemorating the the eighteen year old young young girl,
the young woman from Walden, Jacana Lewis, who was shot
on October eleventh and was on life support for several
weeks and finally her organs were harvested and she has passed.
(23:08):
And we talked to her all, who was very eloquent
last night, and a couple of her cousins. And the
problem is that this just goes on and on and on,
and every week, every month there's another family impacted and
God knows, you have been in the forefront of this
(23:29):
battle for you know, for thirty two years, and I
don't know how we can stop it. One thing that
I do know, Joplin Cherry, is that if this sort
of murder rate was occurring in some of our suburbs,
that the politicians would do everything up to and including
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heavy the National Guard on every street corner to stop it.
But it just seems that the political leaders in Boston
are not responding to this in the way that it
needs to be responded to. We talked about Dolores Brown,
the grandmother who was shot to death while sitting on
her fortune a couple of springs ago. We've talked about
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other kids as young as ten and twelve. How do
we end this? No one has seen it more than
you have, and what is the solution. Is there a solution?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Well, yes, there is a solution, and you've just said it.
If this was in a white neighborhood, the attention would
be astronomically every news media. But because it's black, and
it's because the narrative when Lewis was killed, that's what
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it was. It was a drug deal gone bad. The
narrative was already placed there and there's no accountability. Let
me explain somethings and let.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Me just say one thing. Recollection of Lewis's death was
that he was an outstanding student. There was no he was.
He was the victim. He had he was doing nothing wrong.
And you're right, maybe people think reactively, oh it has
to be a bad kid that could shot exactly, That's
(25:20):
what it was.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
We switched the narrative. We took control of the narrative.
And I think that's the part that we as a community.
And this is not new. This happened in nineteen ninety six.
It happened when when when the Boston miracle happened, and
there is no follow up. So this is bigger than
we are and we have to do strategically one the day.
(25:47):
That tells us in order to address the issue of violence,
intervention must happen at multiple level. Right now, the more murder,
the more money this city gets, and it's invested in
police and prosecution, we need to invest in primary prevention.
(26:08):
That's what the data tells us too. We've got churches
in every one of these neighborhoods and a lot of
these families the victim families and those who are accused
of killing belong to these churches. We as a society
(26:28):
then pick and choose who we want to. There's a
homicide that just happened on Saturday. Why aren't we reporting
on this young man that was killed? They're eighteen hundred
nsold murders in the city of Boston. We work at
Northeastern University to issue a report and trying to get
(26:51):
attention to this. So there's so many things that we
can do. The media needs to begin to challenge murder
triangle that it's my soul. We call annunciation road, we
call it assassination roads. When the homicides happened in Mattterpan,
we called it Birderpand we are more than the headlines.
(27:14):
We are more than what IM media say is so
I get it. I was one of those that felt
that we got a report of all the bad things.
But as people are faith, it has to be more
than just the headlines. It has to balance. Look at
all of those survivors twenty four homicide and when we
(27:39):
pick and choose. I respect Ververon Peterson, but what happened
to the twenty three homicides and why didn't we come
out to support all of those families. So that's the
part of the community chaplain.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's exactly what has to happen. And I think again
that as opposed to just the TV stations going over
there and taking pictures of the police lights and the
yellow tape, they need to start telling the stories of
the families who have been ripped apart.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
And I just and that's what we want to do.
We want to train the news media. We've developed our curriculum.
How do you respond and report in a way that's
ethical and compassion How do we make sure when we're
going to respond to families, we're doing it with a
way that it's not just the headlines. If it bleeds,
(28:36):
it leads.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
As you know, I've been in this city a long
time a television reporter and now's the talk show host,
and I have talked about every one of these murders,
particularly the ones like Dolores Brown's sixty year old grandmother.
And you always have opportunity to come on my show.
(28:58):
So any you know my numbers, anytime that you feel necessary,
please call me. If you don't have my direct number,
I'll have Rob give it to you. Because I grew
up in the city. Yeah, I went to school from
every with kids from every section of the k of
the city. We're no longer kids, but it's our responsibility
(29:18):
as to make the city better. So I'm an ally,
I'm an asset. Please let's do this, take advantage of
this program.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Okay, I do you know what? Thank you for that invitation.
I definitely will because for us, every time someone is
murder on us street, it's again the families and then
looking at those that committed the crime. We are within
the same neighborhood, so we're not We're losing at both ends,
and that's the work where we are called to do
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what God is asking us to do. Act justly, love, mercifully,
and humbly obey your God. Call us a murder triangle.
We're impacted on both sides as a homicide.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And by the way, you know you're much more religious
than I am. But for God that I know doesn't
discriminate between kids who are born in Roxbury or kids
who were born in Wellesley and ag and every one
of us are made in the likeness and image and
each of one of us is a precious soul. So
please feel free to always be in touch with me, Robi,
(30:23):
give you my direct number. How can folks support the
Lewis D. Brown Peace Initiative? Do you want to give
us a website that people can check out?
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Yes, we are right now on a twenty five million
dollar campaign. We're building a national center of healing, teaching,
and learning. People can join us build with us LdB
P S Peace Institute dot org. And they're also welcome
to join us tomorrow at the Statehouse ten to twelve
(30:51):
and the Great Hall. We're always looking for volunteers.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
All right, Chaplin, Thank you so much. John, God bless
you and God bless the work you do.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Thank you so much, man, thank you so much for
the invitation.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Dan, very welcome, stay there and Robi give you my
direct line. Okay, we get back. We're going to talk
about traveling over Thanksgiving. Gonna talk with Gillian Young. She's
the director of public relations for Triple A Northeast. Nearly
eighty two million Americans projected to travel over Thanksgiving. We'll
give you the holiday travel forecast coming up on the
other side of the break.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Night Side with Dan Ray, IBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Thanksgiving is nine days away. My favorite holiday of the year.
With us. Jillian Young, director of public relations for tripa
A Northeast. Jillian, Welcome back to night Side. It's gonna
be a very busy Thanksgiving. The government shutdown is over.
I think that the air traffic is coming back to
(31:49):
a semblance of normalcy and eighty two million Americans are
going to travel, most of them by car. What are
we looking at overall? The one thing we kind of
talk about is the weather, but we can talk about
the numbers that the Triple A's projecting tell us about them.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Yeah, Dan, slights resuming to normal just in time for
one of the busiest travel times of the whole year.
And as you said, yet, we're projecting nearly eighty two
million people are going to travel a lease fifty miles
from home over this holiday period and Thanksgiving is the
single busiest holiday for travel that we see. So, you know,
we're not surprised to see that this many people are
(32:30):
planning to get out there, and it's not surprising that
people are willing to kind of brave the crowds, deal
with some traffic, make some last minute adjustments to their
plans if they needed to. Everyone's going to do what
they have to do to travel for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well, here's your projections. Here. You have the numbers of travelers. Obviously,
if we go back to twenty nineteen, it was about
eighty million, excuse me, seventy eight million. Big drop. In
twenty twenty when COVID was roaring, it dropped down well
thirty three percent. You were down about fifty six million,
(33:03):
and it came back pretty quickly. In twenty twenty one,
it jumped up seventeen million, up to seventy three million,
and it grew in twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,
and it's going to hit the highest number ever eighty
one point eight million. Surprisingly, I was stunned to see
that ninety percent are people who are traveling by car,
(33:26):
seventy and a half percent by airplane, and about three
percent by other which I assume are mostly either trains
or buses.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Right, Yeah, we should count cruises in that as well,
and we have seen a pretty big boom and cruise demand,
so that counts for some of the growth there. But yeah,
Thanks Thanksgiving and the drive holiday, so the large majority
of these travelers are going to be hitting the roads.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, so let's talk about since let's focus on drivers.
What is the best day to head over to Grandma's house?
And what is the worst day to you know, over
the river and through the woods to Grandma's house.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
We go. The best day if you can do a
really early trip is Monday, the week of Thanksgiving. We
tell people if you can head out that weekend before
Tuesday is going to be a really big travel day.
And Wednesday as well. And early is the name of
the game, both in terms of early in the week
(34:25):
if you can get out, but also early in the
morning if you are traveling, not Tuesday or Wednesday, before
noon before eleven am is going to be your best
bet to avoid some of the worst traffics.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Okay, and what about Thanksgiving itself? We we go up
to some relatives home, and we traveled in the middle
of the day. We drive for about forty miles. I
guess is what you'd say, You know, you don't want
to get to too early. I mean, if they tell you, hey,
we're gonna come on up a round two o'clock and
(34:56):
we'll at dinner about three or three thirty, you don't
want to show up at ten and morning.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
No, you don't want to be the guests that are there.
Is they're still trying to scramble to get things in
the oven and get the table set right.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, and you don't want to be the guest on
to stay over if when you get up on Sunday
morning there's a sign that says it's Sunday. When are
you leaving? Right?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Right, you've overstayed. You're welcome. On the holiday itself, we
expect pretty minimal traffic. A lot of people who are
making big trips have already headed to their destinations at
that point, and of course there is some local traffic
you'll see just as people are kind of making a
really short trips for Thanksgiving dinner. But the worst of
(35:39):
it is not anything you're going to see on the holiday.
So that's actually a pretty decent day.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Then let's round it out the best day to again,
assuming that your relatives or your friends will allow you
to stay over a night or two, what is the
best day or the worst day to head back home?
Speaker 7 (35:57):
Sunday is a really biby day.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Okay, so people have stayed the weekend.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Yeah, people who are doing a full kind of long
weekend trip of it. A lot of people are heading
back on Sunday. So you know, if you can wait
until Monday, wait until then. Also, Friday is a decent
day to travel because a lot of people are staying
at their destinations at least through Friday. But again, the
name of the game is early. We look at Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
(36:26):
If you can head out in the morning before like
ten eleven am, that's going to be your best travel
time for the day.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, I'll tell you, we always appreciate Triple A helping
us out here. You guys do a great job. Anybody
who doesn't have Triple A insurance I think is crazy
because frankly, our family has it and we use it
frequently and don't raise the rates.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
But you can glad to hear it.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, I'm a big fan of Triple A, I really am.
I think that particularly if you have kids who are driving,
get them Triple A as well. If you can afford it.
That is for that's for certain for me. That's my
travel tip of the day. Jillian Young, director of public
relations for Triva A Northeast, Thank you so much, so
great to have you back. It's it's a great holiday.
(37:14):
Take take advantage of it and remember if you're going
to have a few drinks get a designated driver. Absolutely,
we don't want anything any problems for anyone and I
wish you and your family are very happy and healthy.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Thanksgiving you too, Dan, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
All right, Julie, we'll talk again. Thank you so much.
When we get back. We're going to dive into some
of the issues here in New England that we're concerned about,
and certainly one of the big issues in Boston is
the mess at Mass and Cass. It should be called
mess and casts. But with us will be Massachusetts State
Senator Nick Collins, one of the good guys. He has
(37:53):
a introduced a bill and act relative to life saving treatment.
He hopes to tackle how best to deal with all
the problems of Mass and Cass. And I think he's
got a great idea, including buying a cruise ship, which
sounds maybe a little crazy. Way do you hear the
benefits of that where they can start to treat people,
(38:16):
particularly as the winter approaches. We'll be back with my guest,
Nick Collins, State Senator Nick Collins, whose district includes mass
and Cass. He's a he's a good guy up there
at the State House. And I'll tell you he's uh,
he's doing a good job, and this piece of legislation,
this is a huge problem, so please stay with us.
Feel free to light the phone lines up and give
(38:37):
him a word of encouragement because this is a member
of the legislature who's actually looking out for you and
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