November 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Within the last week since the House Oversight Committee released the Jeffrey Epstein emails, more of Epstein’s dealings have come to light. Some emails revealed that Epstein made a sizable donation to former Harvard University president Larry Summers’ wife, Elisa New, a prominent Harvard poetry professor, which enabled her to expand her academic reach. According to the Boston Globe, this donation or “gift” did not appear in Harvard's 2020 report on Epstein donations to the university. We discussed the importance of this and more regarding the Epstein emails.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Foston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, interesting our last hour which is Lle Bird.
And again, the whole idea in a situation like that
is to have someone on who you might agree with,
you might disagree with, but you can have a conversation
with him. And I think that the three female callers
Karen from North Endover, Marianne from Westwood and Iris from Norwood,
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although two of them are very supportive and one different
on the issues, they comported themselves very well. So as
a consequence, we we're going to change topics here because
I think we had a good conversation and I I
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think we will move on to a different topic which
which might be of interest. And that is what is
going on tonight. President Trump has signed the legislation which
should prompt a release of all of the Epstein Epstein
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email files past the House. I think the vote was
four twenty seven to one. There was one Republican congresswoman
from Louisiana who voted in the negative. Four hundred and
twenty seven overwhelming majority of both Democrats and Republicans said
release the emails. The United States Senate shortly thereafter, early
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last night decided by unanimous consent not to even debate
the issue, but basically to approve it and send it
to the President's desk. And the President tonight has signed
this legislation, and I I think it's an interesting story
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at so many levels. There is also to Night News
that the first person who has been truly impacted by
this his former US Treasurer Larry Summers, who, according to
the Associated Press tonight, is saying that he has abruptly
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went on leave. Decided to take a leave Wednesday from
teaching at Harvard University, of course, where he once served
as president, over recently released emails showing that Somers had
maintained a friendly relationship with Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein
became known in the public for what he was eventually
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convicted for again, you know, basically dealing with young girls
and providing young girls. Now. At the same time, The
Boston Globe Today wrote a front page story in which
made the point that the Harvard probe did not note
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a apparently a very significant gift that Epstein had. Maybe
he had made it. It's still unclear to me, but
apparently Epstein helped a pretty significant gift for Larry Summer's wife,
who was also at that point a professor at Harvard,
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professor of in poet of poetry. And this just gets
deeper and deeper now a yet, I don't know what's
coming out in all of these emails. It's pretty clear
to me that the Democrats hope, hope that these emails
will point towards Donald Trump. I'm not sure that hope
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is going to be fulfilled. And I think that when
these emails are released there may be some other prominent
names who find themselves in the middle of this mix.
Summers yesterday talked about he was He said he was
deeply ashamed of his actions. He didn't specify what he
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meant by those actions, which I think was was interesting.
He did not specify that the the gift that apparently,
if not made by Epstein directly was set up by
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by Epstein. So this this is going to get interesting,
and I think it's going to get really interesting for
a lot of people, maybe for the president, maybe not.
But I think that there, just as when the Me
Too movement began, there were a lot of people who
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found themselves entrapped for things that they had said or
things that they had done.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It is a when you open up first of all
twenty thousand emails or whatever the number is. This guy
was a pretty prolific emailer Epstein. He was able to
ingratiate himself with well known and very successful people and
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a lot of politicians we know that. You know, Prince
Andrew is probably the first casualty. You know, again, casualty
not in the sense of either being directly indicted or
charged or convicted, but certainly his reputation in the reputation
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of the family that he represented, is quite different now
than it was. There was an effort, obviously to protect him.
That effort failed miserably. I'm sure that Larry Summers five
or six years ago would never have imagined that he
would be in this position. And who knows, maybe Donald
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Trump that there's emails here which will prove. My suspicion
is that a lot of these emails will be subject
to interpretation, and so far no one has come forward
and pointed a finger at President Trump to the best
of my knowledge, in regard to this, there certainly have
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been other scandals that he has survived. So I'm just
going to open up the phone lines and give you
an opportunity to talk about this, because I think it
is the story of the day, and that's what we
try to do here at Night's side, We certainly do
try to deal with the stories of the day. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty, six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
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Those are the phone numbers. If you are convinced that
this is the end for Donald Trump, fine, let's hear
from you. If you were convinced that Donald Trump would
not have acquiesced to the release of these emails, fine,
If you are convinced that somehow Donald Trump has some
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sort of scheme or plan to make sure that whatever
is released does not implicate him. I suspect there are people,
if they had an opportunity to sit down and read
every one of these last emails, would conclude that, just
like in the Kennedy assassination, where's the rest of it?
Where's the rest of it? Uh So, again, this is serious.
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I don't want to in any way, shape or form
minimize this. Uh Epstein, Geffrey Epstein was a monster. He's
a monster, and the question, of course is how what
what can you believe from him? If you want to
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say you're going to believe everything. That's fine if you're
going to say you're going to I think you either
have to believe everything or nothing. I don't think that
that a reasonable position. And this is a position I
want to flesh out a little bit tonight. I don't
think you can say, oh, I believe the emails about
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personality A, B, and C. I believe, but I don't
believe that the emails about these personalities X, Y, and Z.
I think you either say this guy is unreliable, I
can't believe anything that he may have in there about
Donald Trump, Bill Clinton or whomever, or or conversely, you say, look,
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these are contemporaneous emails, and this guy might be vile,
he evil, But why would he create emails in two
thousand and four or twenty ten or twenty and fourteen
that he could never have anticipated would be come get
into the public record twenty or more years later. Why
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would he do that if he was being disingenuous six one, seven, two, five,
four ten, thirty, six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
All points of view are welcome. I'd like to test
my thoughts with yours. Just dial the number will be
right back on nightside.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
By the way, just coming back to Larry Summers, just
to clarify associated prestonit is reporting the former US Treasurer
Larry Summers US Secretary of the Treasury, Larry Summers abruptly
went on leave Wednesday from teaching at Harvard University, where
he once served as president. He is also resigned from
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a board that he sat on, an open AI. So
he's also has resigned today from Santander's advisory board. A
spokesperson said, that is a bank here in the US
that is based in Madrid. So he's resigned from Santander's
international advisory board they currently chaired. I mean, he's resigning
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for more things than any of us would ever imagine.
Just devastating to Larry Summers at this point. Also in
the Globe article today which talked about Harvard not mentioning
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this this gift to his wife. In a twenty fourteen
outreach to Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Larry Summers's wife, who was
a poetry professor at Harvard, said Somers told her that
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both Epstein and a friend wanted to donate to her work,
suggesting a half million dollar gift. She's quoted as saying,
hallelujah and thank you a million times, Jeffrey. She also
suggests that the money could be best directed through Harvard's
ed Labs initiative, especially given that your friend would like
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this to be a Harvard gift. So the Globe has
done some work on this and some good journalism today. Uh,
and you can see the impact that it has had
on Larry Summers. I mean, this guy was the president
of Harvard now has resigned as a professor at Harvard,
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and his wife, Professor Elisa knew An E. W. Prominent
Harvard poetry professor and wife of the university's former president,
sought the first line in the Globe story, sought a
major donation to enable her to expand her academic reach.
So let me go first off, I've got some open
lines here six seven two thirty six one seven nine thirty.
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We are talking about what is likely to transpire in
the next few weeks. I mean, I think it is
fair to say that all the speculation about would Congress vote,
would Congress not vote, that is now a moot point.
They voted, the bill has been signed by the president.
I know that there are skeptics. But my suspicion, uh,
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and call me, call me naive. My suspicion is that
there's a tremendous amount of pressure for all of this
materials to be released. A lot of them have been
released already, but for everything to be released within the
next thirty days. Let me go to Lowland and in
San Diego, California. Lowland, welcome back. How are you hi,
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Dan So?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I originally had wanted to make a comment about the
hour before you need to do a three hour on that.
First of all, please, well.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Again, you tried it. You try to do it, and
you try to do it in such a way that
that people feel welcome to have a conversation. It's a uh,
it's a sensitive subject and a controversial subject. It heard
the guy who did get on briefly, Uh, Jeff from Abington,
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he called very briefly. I mean if if he he
waited no more than three or four minutes to get on, uh,
and he right away.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You had too many, You had too many ahead of me.
But I did call right away. My beef is what
There was a person there that said, you know, sis,
gender women, women born as women should not be playing
any any contact sport with a person who identifies as
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a woman. And it's even though, let's get what I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Trying to No, I know you have strong feelings on
this and I and I respect those feelings. But what
I'm trying to do is I'm trying to basically open
up a different hour of conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I would Oh, no, I understand. I'm just asking you
bring that person back and let's have a three hour conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, we'll see. I think she felt that she was
treated very respectfully. And again, yeah, these some I think
folks need to understand that putting a show together five
nights a week, four hours a night, is not an
easy task. It's it's not like walking downstairs in the
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morning and turning on the coffee pot. Okay. Sometimes her
representatives reach out to me a couple of days ago
and I and they said, would you be willing have her?
I said absolutely, and and and she will be treated
with respect. That's that's that's how it transpired. Whether we
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can do something in the future, we'll see. Do you
have a thought on Summer's resignation, because I'm getting close to.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Me he's running, Yes, he's running scared he's running scared,
and let's see who who else is going to stop resigning,
running or jumping out of the window and committing suicide.
It's coming. And here's why. Tonight is a new moon
and it's in Scorpio, and Scorpio brings the things that
are hidden and in the dark to the light. This
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is all perfect night.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I don't know if it was Scorpio. You know much
more about astrology than I do. I admit that because
we've talked about it before. But what what has brought
this to light? What is what has brought this to
light tonight is the vote in Congress, And I also
think the public pressure, and I think that a lot
of that.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It happens, It happened, It happened today, and today is
the new moon. It's all timy as.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Gratified. I am gratified to know that without the new
moon this would not have happened.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So no, everything is timing, Dan, you know that timing.
Timing is everything.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know, maybe maybe maybe the Congress without the new
moon never would have voted four hundred and.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Twenty seven to one exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So maybe the new moon, as I think you believe,
basically turned everyone in the same direction. I can never remember.
Of four hundred and twenty, there's only four hundred and
thirty five members of Congress. I have never can remember.
Oh I'm sure there's some resolution that that was passed
at some point the name of post office after someone,
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or to commend a Girl Scout troop for being the
top Girl Scout cookie sellers, But I can never remember.
So it must have been the full moon, Lola, and
I thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
No, it's not a full moon. It's a new moan.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Again, as I say, I'm stumbling through this astrology stuff
and I'm trying to learn. It's like I'm I'm drinking
from a fire hose here, Lola. I'm trying to absorb
it all quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's a miracle.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's a miracle, is what I'm saying. Because it all happens.
We couldn't have planned this, That's the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Who would have thought.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
All of Congress would have The one thing I.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Have to plan, Lola, is I have to plan a newscast,
which is right now at dead thirty. So I'm glad
you got through.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm glad you use to.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Say whatever you wanted to say, not only astrologically, but
also also from the issue in the previous hour. And
I only gave you that freedom at Liberty because you're
such a nice person. So thanks lod, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank you, Dan. See
you on the other side.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And the next time that I'm gonna I think invest
in some sort of business decision, I'm going to call
you for some astral logical advice.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Well, uh, you know what, we need to talk because
that's exactly how I sold my mother's house and got
the amount that I wanted. I'll explain it all of
you there.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
It is another another proof that astrology is real. All right,
thank you all, have a great night. Congratulations. I think
I ended up cutting around, didn't cut you off intentionally.
All that we got to deal with the the news
at ten thirty. Okay, I do want to talk about
Donald Trump. I want to talk about Larry Summers, and
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I want to I want to talk about what has
about to transpire. This could change the political landscape in
a whole lot of different directions, maybe not the direction
that that you think it will or that I think
it will. I'd love to get your reaction. Six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six, one, seven, nine thirty. Coming
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right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
All right, welcome back then, very much, Dan Hawkins. So
I would like to talk about this huge story tonight,
the bill to release Thestein Epstein files. And I can
never understand if it's pronounced Epstein or Epstein. I don't
know for certain, so I'll stick with Epstein on it.
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But I get it mixed up with THEO, not the activity,
but obviously the name. So look, what we know is
this guy's dead. So whatever he decided to have left
in his email accounts, it's there now. I want to
see it released. I want to see it released in
its entirety. If there has to be a reaction of
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the name of a woman who at that point was
an underage young girl, then that makes all the sense
in the world. You simply redact that name if that individual.
There are some women who held the news conferences who
want to be known, and they want to basically provide
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testimony or whatever term they would use. The question is,
if there is nothing that is inculpatory of President Trump,
does the story simply go away? Or is the public
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interested in the story above and beyond Donald Trump. Obviously,
if there are emails which show President Trump, and I
have not seen any indication of that, at least in
the emails that I've read about so far. And you
you know, and the way you read about the way
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you do this is you read the newspapers that are
less supportive of Donald Trump. And if the New York
Times or the La Times, the Washington Posts of the
Boston Globe hasn't found a quote unquote smoking gun on
Donald Trump, then so far probably it doesn't exist. Because
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they have people who who can go through those emails
a lot more quickly than you and I. We have
to rely upon them. Now, does the story go away
if there are no emails? Obviously, if there are emails
which tend to prove Donald Trump was involved in any
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of this activity that Epstein engaged in and cultivated and
used used these young girls as a way to gain
friendship and support with political and business leaders, that's what
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Epstein was doing. He was not He apparently had money
and had been able to earn money in the markets,
in the marketplace, but he used these young women. And
I can't even say young women because they were girls.
They were fourteen fifteen, sixteen year old girls. He was
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able to use them to create bonds of friendship with
influential men. Now he is no longer with us. Whatever
happened to him, whether it was suicide or whether it's
embedded suicide, he's gone. What is left are his emails.
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Get him out, get them all out without exception, and
let the chips fall where they may. That is my position.
I would love to know what you think and will
you be as interacted in this story if it does
not implicate Donald J. Trump. I will be interested in
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the story. If it doesn't implicate Donald J. Trump. I
want to know how many other men of power, political power,
business power ingratiated themselves with this pedophile or this this purveyor,
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purveyor of of of young women. Let's go to the calls.
Let me go to Dick and Chelsea. Dick, welcome you
next on Nightside. Thank you for calling Instagram.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
But first I wanted to tell you I think that
of all the various talk show hosts, you are the
most sane and well.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Thank you. I don't know if that's how high a
compliment that is, but thank.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
You well, I mean yeah, I mean it bars you
a low bar. Right, Okay, here's here's my my thought.
I'm thinking about what President Trump has said and I
several months ago I remember him saying, and it you know,
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it was pretty widely spread.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
He he you know, ceized his friendship and me, and
he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out when Epstein had you know,
rated or poached.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I think I think the word poached is the word
he used. Actually, I think.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
You're hired away one of the employees who later became
a victim. Today or yesterday, I heard President Trump say that, Yeah,
he got rid of Epstein because Epstein was a terrible guy.
He was a pedophile. He was doing all these awful things,
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and so Trump threw him out. So uh, yes, So
that's two different answers to the question. But if Trump,
well that we can answer.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Just just for one second. I think you could reconcile
those answers if if if he thought the guy was
a pedophile and he was poaching some of his employees.
I think the the young woman that allegedly was poached
was the oneman named Virginia Guffrey. I believe that was
the name. Uh, there was actually a name attached to that.
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So there was some specificity. I'm just trying to judge it. So, but.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Yeah, no, there was. Yeah, I agree there was specificity,
Virginia do free.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But my point is that if I heard I did
hear President Trump say this that you know he he
threw out Epstein because Epstein was such a terrible guy.
He was a pedophile, he was doing all these nasty things.
And if that's the case, then like others, President Trump
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had knowledge of what was going on but never said
anything about it to anyone and did not report it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay, So what you're saying he did not report it
to the authorities, to the police, is what you're saying
to me. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's that's a logical conclusion
of a logical So where does that take you? Does
that take you to the point that somehow, then Donald
Trump aided and embedded this guy.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Well not, It depends what you mean by aid it.
And no, it takes me the point that Donald Trump,
like presumably like a lot of others, knew what was
going on and chose not to say anything.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Right. But okay, I think that's the first point. But
here's my question to you, what what should have Donald
Trump done at that point.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
He should have he should have reported to the to
the police, or the state police or the you know,
whichever police. He should have reported that here's this guy
on this island that's being a pedophile, that's you know,
peddling all these young women.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
The island you're talking about, Lolita Island, the so called
Lolita Island, right right right right, as opposed to as
opposed to the to theft. I think he I think
Mari Lago was on I have I don't think I've
been to Mari A Lago. Okay, no, No, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Just simply that, you know, President Trump says, I threw
this guy off and he was a terrible guy. He
was a pedophile, and he was disgusting. I didn't want
anything to do with them. And then you know, after that,
I reported him to the police.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, So but he didn't. That's an interesting take. So
what does that what what do you think?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well? I think you I understand the point you're making.
I also, speaking as a lawyer, it's very difficult to
to get into the mind of someone twenty five or
so years ago, uh and what responsibility they might have
felt maybe his knowledge of of of Epstein at the
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time might have been that that he was a guy
who liked young girls. Uh, he will say that.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
He said, he said in the last couple of days, Yes,
he threw this guy out of Marilanda.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I heard him say that him. I agree with you.
But what I'm saying, what I'm saying to you is
sometimes people have and I'm speaking as a lawyer, people
have different recollections. And also, by the way, Donald Trump
makes statements a hundred times a day which which often
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are inconsistent and sometimes are downright incorrect. I'm not trying
to defend him here. If he wants to stay by that,
you could easily say, well, you in effect gave him cover,
you gave him approval, you looked the other way. I
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don't have a problem with you believing that or seeing that,
or making that point. I'm just saying that when I
go through what are the implications there are As a lawyer,
I'm looking at him saying, this is a guy who's
saying something in twenty twenty five about what he thought
in two thousand and four, and maybe maybe what he
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thought in two thousand and four. In actuality, was that
this guy was a creep and he wanted him off
the property, and then later on found out, yeah, he
was really a creep. He was much more than a creep.
He was he was a pedophile. I just you know,
I think you got to you gotta be realistic here
and say, Okay, what have we got on?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And I'm trying to be that. I'm being I think
I'm being realistic by saying what I heard the President say.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And I agree with you he said this. Yeah, you
are right, But what I'm saying to you is at
a level different than what you're responding to. And what
I'm saying is that sometimes people say things, even someone
like Donald Trump, who probably runs his mouth off more
than most people. If I were his lawyer, I would say,
you're not going to talk about this anymore. But good
luck with that if you know what I'm saying. And
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to prove that he, let's say, somehow had an obligation
to report this to the police circa two thousand and four,
that's that's difficult to prove, despite what his his own
statements would be. I know that sounds contorted to you,
but that's what I believe.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
No, let me put it this way, what he said
today or you know, laste days that you know he
did this, he threw him up because he was such
a terrible perversiartifile absolutely yep. However, so yeah he did that.
But you know, however, his memory is he did that,
but his memory is that he thought this guy was
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a terrible pedophile. But his memory is also that he
never said anything to the police.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, I would assume that if he had said I
think that's a reasonable I'm not doubting that. I'm admitting
that he must. If he had said something to the police,
he would have He would be very smart to get
that on the record. You know, we're dealing here, and
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I think you make great points. Okay, I'm just trying
to parry with you in a conversation with you as
to what whatever someone says on my show. I try
to sort of test their theories, and that's all. Simply
do it with you. Look, I a p first time calling,
by the way, this show or no, I'm sorry, what
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is this your first time calling my show?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
We've got to give you a lot of a call
from that digital studio audience. Thanks so much, Ja, don't
be a stranger. It's a great call. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Okay, thank you much.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Six seven two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. What I'm doing tonight with this,
and maybe I haven't been clear, I'm trying to probe
your mind as to where you will end up here
if Donald Trump is again inculpated directly or or for
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that matter, indirectly by some Epstein emails. Uh. And if
you're a Donald Trumps supporter, what does that mean to you?
If if Donald Trump is not implicated, but there are
others who are implicated, such as Larry Summers or or
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you anyone else you might think, will you have as
much interested in the story?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Six one seven, two four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three ten thirty Coming right back on night Side.
Feel free to join the conversation here. This is what
we do on night Side. We try to test throw
out subjects that will interest you. If this subject doesn't
interest you, we'll move on. That's easy, that's easy. But
I think there's more to this topic tonight, frankly than
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we've done so far. Although Dick's Dick was an excellent call.
Coming back on.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Night Side, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBS,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Back to the phones and going to Bob, Bob, you
were next to KNIGHTSI go right ahead, Bob Walwick, go ahead, Bob,
all right, tonight, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I'm doing fine. How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm doing great. What's on your mind? We're talking about
the h I emails. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I'm gonna tell you what's on my mind. I've seen
videos of Trump, and that's with Trump. This is years ago.
He had his hand on around his Epstein's shoulder. He's smiling,
pointing out. I imagine girls in the in a cocktail
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party or yeah, everybody knows he was a friend.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
He was a friend of Epstein for or Epstein, whichever
it is, for many years.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I was really enjoying it. And he's had three wives.
You think you think Epstein's a pervert. I think there's
a lot of possibility that Trump's a pervert. What do
you base it on, Well, based on the videos I
saw on the news or every news station in the
country that works.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So if there are no UH emails which implicate Trump
in anything, so let me finish well, right, I'm asking
you if we if when the emails are really least,
there are no emails that implicate Trump. Certainly, Larry Summers
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has resigned from several posts. I guess he you know,
I've read them earlier tonight. So Summers obviously regrets his actions.
That was his statement, not mine. We'll put that aside.
If there are no emails in this patch of emails,
when they are fully released, not when they're partially partially released,
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you're not going to change your mind about Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But no I will. I'll change my mind. I don't
have any preconceived notions of what he did or what
he didn't do as far as Epstein. Okay, if there's
no emails that support is problems of so called problems
with Epstein. Yeah, and I'll so be it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right, And you could still dislike him as a president,
and you.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Could you kept talking about Epstein right now. Right.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
What I'm saying is you don't have to turn around
and say he's the greatest thing since Slice spread, Bob.
I'm not suggesting that.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
No, It's like it's almost.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
What I'm trying to do with you, Bob here tonight
and with everyone is almost put you in a jury box.
You might look at the guy and say, that guy,
he just looks to me like he's guilty. But if
the facts aren't there in the courtroom, you can't vote
to convict the guy based upon me.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Agree with you, I agree with you, but I'll come
he's trying to the last week, and so he's blaming
the press that I go going after after the Democrats
that might have the same might have the same problem
that he.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Has typical Donald talk. That's the way that's that's the
way he's wired. It's the way he's wired. Bob, you
know that he's I agree, I agree with you. It's like,
don't look at me. I didn't do it. Look at him, Bobby.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Every day, he's got so many I got to try.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
To get one idea before the break. My man. Thanks
for checking in. Uh, you and I are doing better
here in recent weeks. Thanks Palt, talk to you. Let's
go to war and war. I gotta get you in
under the wire. Thanks for calling in your thoughts on this.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Yeah, Hey, hey Dan, what I know.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
What I know is Alan.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Who is who was Epstein's lawyer? Has what was questioned
about Trump? And you know because that's you know it
being his lawyer. He was he would go to Epstein
and say, you know, what are the big names in
the in these emails to try to cut a better
deal for you know, for Epstein. And that's what defense
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lawyers do.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
And you know he said on the closely that you know,
Trump did nothing.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Again, I don't know that. I don't know that. First
of all, what you're saying is accurate. I don't know
that the Dershowitz would have complete and a thorough knowledge
of what might might have not been dead. I've seen
nothing at this point to implicate Trump.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Yeakay Witz actually has said that you know, you know,
he knows more, he knows more, but can't say it
under a judge's order.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Well, okay, that that that honestly, Warren, I am unfamiliar with.
Hey Warren, thank you for checking in. I really do
appreciate it. Up against my eleven o'clock news. Okay, thanks,
n talk later, Okay. I would love to continue this conversation.
It's up to you. Want to call the call, want
to call the show? Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six seven nine. If this topic is not of
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sufficient interest, we'll move on to something else. Dan Ray
in Knightside, coming back right after the eleven o'clock news.
Give us a call.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Foston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, interesting our last hour which is Lle Bird.
And again, the whole idea in a situation like that
is to have someone on who you might agree with,
you might disagree with, but you can have a conversation
with him. And I think that the three female callers
Karen from North Endover, Marianne from Westwood and Iris from Norwood,
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although two of them are very supportive and one different
on the issues, they comported themselves very well. So as
a consequence, we we're going to change topics here because
I think we had a good conversation and I I
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think we will move on to a different topic which
which might be of interest. And that is what is
going on tonight. President Trump has signed the legislation which
should prompt a release of all of the Epstein Epstein
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email files past the House. I think the vote was
four twenty seven to one. There was one Republican congresswoman
from Louisiana who voted in the negative. Four hundred and
twenty seven overwhelming majority of both Democrats and Republicans said
release the emails. The United States Senate shortly thereafter, early
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last night decided by unanimous consent not to even debate
the issue, but basically to approve it and send it
to the President's desk. And the President tonight has signed
this legislation, and I I think it's an interesting story
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at so many levels. There is also to Night News
that the first person who has been truly impacted by
this his former US Treasurer Larry Summers, who, according to
the Associated Press tonight, is saying that he has abruptly
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went on leave. Decided to take a leave Wednesday from
teaching at Harvard University, of course, where he once served
as president, over recently released emails showing that Somers had
maintained a friendly relationship with Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein
became known in the public for what he was eventually
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convicted for again, you know, basically dealing with young girls
and providing young girls. Now. At the same time, The
Boston Globe Today wrote a front page story in which
made the point that the Harvard probe did not note
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a apparently a very significant gift that Epstein had. Maybe
he had made it. It's still unclear to me, but
apparently Epstein helped a pretty significant gift for Larry Summer's wife,
who was also at that point a professor at Harvard,
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professor of in poet of poetry. And this just gets
deeper and deeper now a yet, I don't know what's
coming out in all of these emails. It's pretty clear
to me that the Democrats hope, hope that these emails
will point towards Donald Trump. I'm not sure that hope
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is going to be fulfilled. And I think that when
these emails are released there may be some other prominent
names who find themselves in the middle of this mix.
Summers yesterday talked about he was He said he was
deeply ashamed of his actions. He didn't specify what he
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meant by those actions, which I think was was interesting.
He did not specify that the the gift that apparently,
if not made by Epstein directly was set up by
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by Epstein. So this this is going to get interesting,
and I think it's going to get really interesting for
a lot of people, maybe for the president, maybe not.
But I think that there, just as when the Me
Too movement began, there were a lot of people who
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found themselves entrapped for things that they had said or
things that they had done.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It is a when you open up first of all
twenty thousand emails or whatever the number is. This guy
was a pretty prolific emailer Epstein. He was able to
ingratiate himself with well known and very successful people and
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a lot of politicians we know that. You know, Prince
Andrew is probably the first casualty. You know, again, casualty
not in the sense of either being directly indicted or
charged or convicted, but certainly his reputation in the reputation
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of the family that he represented, is quite different now
than it was. There was an effort, obviously to protect him.
That effort failed miserably. I'm sure that Larry Summers five
or six years ago would never have imagined that he
would be in this position. And who knows, maybe Donald
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Trump that there's emails here which will prove. My suspicion
is that a lot of these emails will be subject
to interpretation, and so far no one has come forward
and pointed a finger at President Trump to the best
of my knowledge, in regard to this, there certainly have
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been other scandals that he has survived. So I'm just
going to open up the phone lines and give you
an opportunity to talk about this, because I think it
is the story of the day, and that's what we
try to do here at Night's side, We certainly do
try to deal with the stories of the day. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty, six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
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Those are the phone numbers. If you are convinced that
this is the end for Donald Trump, fine, let's hear
from you. If you were convinced that Donald Trump would
not have acquiesced to the release of these emails, fine,
If you are convinced that somehow Donald Trump has some
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sort of scheme or plan to make sure that whatever
is released does not implicate him. I suspect there are people,
if they had an opportunity to sit down and read
every one of these last emails, would conclude that, just
like in the Kennedy assassination, where's the rest of it?
Where's the rest of it? Uh So, again, this is serious.
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I don't want to in any way, shape or form
minimize this. Uh Epstein, Geffrey Epstein was a monster. He's
a monster, and the question, of course is how what
what can you believe from him? If you want to
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say you're going to believe everything. That's fine if you're
going to say you're going to I think you either
have to believe everything or nothing. I don't think that
that a reasonable position. And this is a position I
want to flesh out a little bit tonight. I don't
think you can say, oh, I believe the emails about
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personality A, B, and C. I believe, but I don't
believe that the emails about these personalities X, Y, and Z.
I think you either say this guy is unreliable, I
can't believe anything that he may have in there about
Donald Trump, Bill Clinton or whomever, or or conversely, you say, look,
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these are contemporaneous emails, and this guy might be vile,
he evil, But why would he create emails in two
thousand and four or twenty ten or twenty and fourteen
that he could never have anticipated would be come get
into the public record twenty or more years later. Why
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would he do that if he was being disingenuous six one, seven, two, five,
four ten, thirty, six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
All points of view are welcome. I'd like to test
my thoughts with yours. Just dial the number will be
right back on nightside.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
By the way, just coming back to Larry Summers, just
to clarify associated prestonit is reporting the former US Treasurer
Larry Summers US Secretary of the Treasury, Larry Summers abruptly
went on leave Wednesday from teaching at Harvard University, where
he once served as president. He is also resigned from
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a board that he sat on, an open AI. So
he's also has resigned today from Santander's advisory board. A
spokesperson said, that is a bank here in the US
that is based in Madrid. So he's resigned from Santander's
international advisory board they currently chaired. I mean, he's resigning
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for more things than any of us would ever imagine.
Just devastating to Larry Summers at this point. Also in
the Globe article today which talked about Harvard not mentioning
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this this gift to his wife. In a twenty fourteen
outreach to Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Larry Summers's wife, who was
a poetry professor at Harvard, said Somers told her that
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both Epstein and a friend wanted to donate to her work,
suggesting a half million dollar gift. She's quoted as saying,
hallelujah and thank you a million times, Jeffrey. She also
suggests that the money could be best directed through Harvard's
ed Labs initiative, especially given that your friend would like
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this to be a Harvard gift. So the Globe has
done some work on this and some good journalism today. Uh,
and you can see the impact that it has had
on Larry Summers. I mean, this guy was the president
of Harvard now has resigned as a professor at Harvard,
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and his wife, Professor Elisa knew An E. W. Prominent
Harvard poetry professor and wife of the university's former president,
sought the first line in the Globe story, sought a
major donation to enable her to expand her academic reach.
So let me go first off, I've got some open
lines here six seven two thirty six one seven nine thirty.
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We are talking about what is likely to transpire in
the next few weeks. I mean, I think it is
fair to say that all the speculation about would Congress vote,
would Congress not vote, that is now a moot point.
They voted, the bill has been signed by the president.
I know that there are skeptics. But my suspicion, uh,
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and call me, call me naive. My suspicion is that
there's a tremendous amount of pressure for all of this
materials to be released. A lot of them have been
released already, but for everything to be released within the
next thirty days. Let me go to Lowland and in
San Diego, California. Lowland, welcome back. How are you hi,
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Dan So?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I originally had wanted to make a comment about the
hour before you need to do a three hour on that.
First of all, please, well.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Again, you tried it. You try to do it, and
you try to do it in such a way that
that people feel welcome to have a conversation. It's a uh,
it's a sensitive subject and a controversial subject. It heard
the guy who did get on briefly, Uh, Jeff from Abington,
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he called very briefly. I mean if if he he
waited no more than three or four minutes to get on, uh,
and he right away.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You had too many, You had too many ahead of me.
But I did call right away. My beef is what
There was a person there that said, you know, sis,
gender women, women born as women should not be playing
any any contact sport with a person who identifies as
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a woman. And it's even though, let's get what I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Trying to No, I know you have strong feelings on
this and I and I respect those feelings. But what
I'm trying to do is I'm trying to basically open
up a different hour of conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I would Oh, no, I understand. I'm just asking you
bring that person back and let's have a three hour conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, we'll see. I think she felt that she was
treated very respectfully. And again, yeah, these some I think
folks need to understand that putting a show together five
nights a week, four hours a night, is not an
easy task. It's it's not like walking downstairs in the
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morning and turning on the coffee pot. Okay. Sometimes her
representatives reach out to me a couple of days ago
and I and they said, would you be willing have her?
I said absolutely, and and and she will be treated
with respect. That's that's that's how it transpired. Whether we
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can do something in the future, we'll see. Do you
have a thought on Summer's resignation, because I'm getting close to.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Me he's running, Yes, he's running scared he's running scared,
and let's see who who else is going to stop resigning,
running or jumping out of the window and committing suicide.
It's coming. And here's why. Tonight is a new moon
and it's in Scorpio, and Scorpio brings the things that
are hidden and in the dark to the light. This
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is all perfect night.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I don't know if it was Scorpio. You know much
more about astrology than I do. I admit that because
we've talked about it before. But what what has brought
this to light? What is what has brought this to
light tonight is the vote in Congress, And I also
think the public pressure, and I think that a lot
of that.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It happens, It happened, It happened today, and today is
the new moon. It's all timy as.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Gratified. I am gratified to know that without the new
moon this would not have happened.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So no, everything is timing, Dan, you know that timing.
Timing is everything.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know, maybe maybe maybe the Congress without the new
moon never would have voted four hundred and.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Twenty seven to one exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So maybe the new moon, as I think you believe,
basically turned everyone in the same direction. I can never remember.
Of four hundred and twenty, there's only four hundred and
thirty five members of Congress. I have never can remember.
Oh I'm sure there's some resolution that that was passed
at some point the name of post office after someone,
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or to commend a Girl Scout troop for being the
top Girl Scout cookie sellers, But I can never remember.
So it must have been the full moon, Lola, and
I thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
No, it's not a full moon. It's a new moan.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Again, as I say, I'm stumbling through this astrology stuff
and I'm trying to learn. It's like I'm I'm drinking
from a fire hose here, Lola. I'm trying to absorb
it all quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's a miracle.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's a miracle, is what I'm saying. Because it all happens.
We couldn't have planned this, That's the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Who would have thought.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
All of Congress would have The one thing I.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Have to plan, Lola, is I have to plan a newscast,
which is right now at dead thirty. So I'm glad
you got through.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm glad you use to.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Say whatever you wanted to say, not only astrologically, but
also also from the issue in the previous hour. And
I only gave you that freedom at Liberty because you're
such a nice person. So thanks lod, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank you, Dan. See
you on the other side.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And the next time that I'm gonna I think invest
in some sort of business decision, I'm going to call
you for some astral logical advice.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Well, uh, you know what, we need to talk because
that's exactly how I sold my mother's house and got
the amount that I wanted. I'll explain it all of
you there.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
It is another another proof that astrology is real. All right,
thank you all, have a great night. Congratulations. I think
I ended up cutting around, didn't cut you off intentionally.
All that we got to deal with the the news
at ten thirty. Okay, I do want to talk about
Donald Trump. I want to talk about Larry Summers, and
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I want to I want to talk about what has
about to transpire. This could change the political landscape in
a whole lot of different directions, maybe not the direction
that that you think it will or that I think
it will. I'd love to get your reaction. Six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six, one, seven, nine thirty. Coming
(18:49):
right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
All right, welcome back then, very much, Dan Hawkins. So
I would like to talk about this huge story tonight,
the bill to release Thestein Epstein files. And I can
never understand if it's pronounced Epstein or Epstein. I don't
know for certain, so I'll stick with Epstein on it.
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But I get it mixed up with THEO, not the activity,
but obviously the name. So look, what we know is
this guy's dead. So whatever he decided to have left
in his email accounts, it's there now. I want to
see it released. I want to see it released in
its entirety. If there has to be a reaction of
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the name of a woman who at that point was
an underage young girl, then that makes all the sense
in the world. You simply redact that name if that individual.
There are some women who held the news conferences who
want to be known, and they want to basically provide
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testimony or whatever term they would use. The question is,
if there is nothing that is inculpatory of President Trump,
does the story simply go away? Or is the public
(20:28):
interested in the story above and beyond Donald Trump. Obviously,
if there are emails which show President Trump, and I
have not seen any indication of that, at least in
the emails that I've read about so far. And you
you know, and the way you read about the way
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you do this is you read the newspapers that are
less supportive of Donald Trump. And if the New York
Times or the La Times, the Washington Posts of the
Boston Globe hasn't found a quote unquote smoking gun on
Donald Trump, then so far probably it doesn't exist. Because
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they have people who who can go through those emails
a lot more quickly than you and I. We have
to rely upon them. Now, does the story go away
if there are no emails? Obviously, if there are emails
which tend to prove Donald Trump was involved in any
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of this activity that Epstein engaged in and cultivated and
used used these young girls as a way to gain
friendship and support with political and business leaders, that's what
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Epstein was doing. He was not He apparently had money
and had been able to earn money in the markets,
in the marketplace, but he used these young women. And
I can't even say young women because they were girls.
They were fourteen fifteen, sixteen year old girls. He was
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able to use them to create bonds of friendship with
influential men. Now he is no longer with us. Whatever
happened to him, whether it was suicide or whether it's
embedded suicide, he's gone. What is left are his emails.
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Get him out, get them all out without exception, and
let the chips fall where they may. That is my position.
I would love to know what you think and will
you be as interacted in this story if it does
not implicate Donald J. Trump. I will be interested in
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the story. If it doesn't implicate Donald J. Trump. I
want to know how many other men of power, political power,
business power ingratiated themselves with this pedophile or this this purveyor,
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purveyor of of of young women. Let's go to the calls.
Let me go to Dick and Chelsea. Dick, welcome you
next on Nightside. Thank you for calling Instagram.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
But first I wanted to tell you I think that
of all the various talk show hosts, you are the
most sane and well.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Thank you. I don't know if that's how high a
compliment that is, but thank.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
You well, I mean yeah, I mean it bars you
a low bar. Right, Okay, here's here's my my thought.
I'm thinking about what President Trump has said and I
several months ago I remember him saying, and it you know,
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it was pretty widely spread.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
He he you know, ceized his friendship and me, and
he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out when Epstein had you know,
rated or poached.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I think I think the word poached is the word
he used. Actually, I think.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
You're hired away one of the employees who later became
a victim. Today or yesterday, I heard President Trump say that, Yeah,
he got rid of Epstein because Epstein was a terrible guy.
He was a pedophile. He was doing all these awful things,
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and so Trump threw him out. So uh, yes, So
that's two different answers to the question. But if Trump,
well that we can answer.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Just just for one second. I think you could reconcile
those answers if if if he thought the guy was
a pedophile and he was poaching some of his employees.
I think the the young woman that allegedly was poached
was the oneman named Virginia Guffrey. I believe that was
the name. Uh, there was actually a name attached to that.
(25:29):
So there was some specificity. I'm just trying to judge it. So, but.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Yeah, no, there was. Yeah, I agree there was specificity,
Virginia do free.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But my point is that if I heard I did
hear President Trump say this that you know he he
threw out Epstein because Epstein was such a terrible guy.
He was a pedophile, he was doing all these nasty things.
And if that's the case, then like others, President Trump
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had knowledge of what was going on but never said
anything about it to anyone and did not report it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay, So what you're saying he did not report it
to the authorities, to the police, is what you're saying
to me. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's that's a logical conclusion
of a logical So where does that take you? Does
that take you to the point that somehow, then Donald
Trump aided and embedded this guy.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Well not, It depends what you mean by aid it.
And no, it takes me the point that Donald Trump,
like presumably like a lot of others, knew what was
going on and chose not to say anything.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Right. But okay, I think that's the first point. But
here's my question to you, what what should have Donald
Trump done at that point.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
He should have he should have reported to the to
the police, or the state police or the you know,
whichever police. He should have reported that here's this guy
on this island that's being a pedophile, that's you know,
peddling all these young women.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
The island you're talking about, Lolita Island, the so called
Lolita Island, right right right right, as opposed to as
opposed to the to theft. I think he I think
Mari Lago was on I have I don't think I've
been to Mari A Lago. Okay, no, No, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Just simply that, you know, President Trump says, I threw
this guy off and he was a terrible guy. He
was a pedophile, and he was disgusting. I didn't want
anything to do with them. And then you know, after that,
I reported him to the police.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, So but he didn't. That's an interesting take. So
what does that what what do you think?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well? I think you I understand the point you're making.
I also, speaking as a lawyer, it's very difficult to
to get into the mind of someone twenty five or
so years ago, uh and what responsibility they might have
felt maybe his knowledge of of of Epstein at the
(28:27):
time might have been that that he was a guy
who liked young girls. Uh, he will say that.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
He said, he said in the last couple of days, Yes,
he threw this guy out of Marilanda.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I heard him say that him. I agree with you.
But what I'm saying, what I'm saying to you is
sometimes people have and I'm speaking as a lawyer, people
have different recollections. And also, by the way, Donald Trump
makes statements a hundred times a day which which often
(29:01):
are inconsistent and sometimes are downright incorrect. I'm not trying
to defend him here. If he wants to stay by that,
you could easily say, well, you in effect gave him cover,
you gave him approval, you looked the other way. I
(29:23):
don't have a problem with you believing that or seeing that,
or making that point. I'm just saying that when I
go through what are the implications there are As a lawyer,
I'm looking at him saying, this is a guy who's
saying something in twenty twenty five about what he thought
in two thousand and four, and maybe maybe what he
(29:43):
thought in two thousand and four. In actuality, was that
this guy was a creep and he wanted him off
the property, and then later on found out, yeah, he
was really a creep. He was much more than a creep.
He was he was a pedophile. I just you know,
I think you got to you gotta be realistic here
and say, Okay, what have we got on?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And I'm trying to be that. I'm being I think
I'm being realistic by saying what I heard the President say.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And I agree with you he said this. Yeah, you
are right, But what I'm saying to you is at
a level different than what you're responding to. And what
I'm saying is that sometimes people say things, even someone
like Donald Trump, who probably runs his mouth off more
than most people. If I were his lawyer, I would say,
you're not going to talk about this anymore. But good
luck with that if you know what I'm saying. And
(30:33):
to prove that he, let's say, somehow had an obligation
to report this to the police circa two thousand and four,
that's that's difficult to prove, despite what his his own
statements would be. I know that sounds contorted to you,
but that's what I believe.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
No, let me put it this way, what he said
today or you know, laste days that you know he
did this, he threw him up because he was such
a terrible perversiartifile absolutely yep. However, so yeah he did that.
But you know, however, his memory is he did that,
but his memory is that he thought this guy was
(31:17):
a terrible pedophile. But his memory is also that he
never said anything to the police.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, I would assume that if he had said I
think that's a reasonable I'm not doubting that. I'm admitting
that he must. If he had said something to the police,
he would have He would be very smart to get
that on the record. You know, we're dealing here, and
(31:44):
I think you make great points. Okay, I'm just trying
to parry with you in a conversation with you as
to what whatever someone says on my show. I try
to sort of test their theories, and that's all. Simply
do it with you. Look, I a p first time calling,
by the way, this show or no, I'm sorry, what
(32:04):
is this your first time calling my show?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
We've got to give you a lot of a call
from that digital studio audience. Thanks so much, Ja, don't
be a stranger. It's a great call. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Okay, thank you much.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Six seven two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. What I'm doing tonight with this,
and maybe I haven't been clear, I'm trying to probe
your mind as to where you will end up here
if Donald Trump is again inculpated directly or or for
(32:38):
that matter, indirectly by some Epstein emails. Uh. And if
you're a Donald Trumps supporter, what does that mean to you?
If if Donald Trump is not implicated, but there are
others who are implicated, such as Larry Summers or or
(32:58):
you anyone else you might think, will you have as
much interested in the story?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Six one seven, two four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three ten thirty Coming right back on night Side.
Feel free to join the conversation here. This is what
we do on night Side. We try to test throw
out subjects that will interest you. If this subject doesn't
interest you, we'll move on. That's easy, that's easy. But
I think there's more to this topic tonight, frankly than
(33:26):
we've done so far. Although Dick's Dick was an excellent call.
Coming back on.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Night Side, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBS,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Back to the phones and going to Bob, Bob, you
were next to KNIGHTSI go right ahead, Bob Walwick, go ahead, Bob,
all right, tonight, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I'm doing fine. How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm doing great. What's on your mind? We're talking about
the h I emails. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I'm gonna tell you what's on my mind. I've seen
videos of Trump, and that's with Trump. This is years ago.
He had his hand on around his Epstein's shoulder. He's smiling,
pointing out. I imagine girls in the in a cocktail
(34:16):
party or yeah, everybody knows he was a friend.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
He was a friend of Epstein for or Epstein, whichever
it is, for many years.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I was really enjoying it. And he's had three wives.
You think you think Epstein's a pervert. I think there's
a lot of possibility that Trump's a pervert. What do
you base it on, Well, based on the videos I
saw on the news or every news station in the
country that works.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So if there are no UH emails which implicate Trump
in anything, so let me finish well, right, I'm asking
you if we if when the emails are really least,
there are no emails that implicate Trump. Certainly, Larry Summers
(35:06):
has resigned from several posts. I guess he you know,
I've read them earlier tonight. So Summers obviously regrets his actions.
That was his statement, not mine. We'll put that aside.
If there are no emails in this patch of emails,
when they are fully released, not when they're partially partially released,
(35:29):
you're not going to change your mind about Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But no I will. I'll change my mind. I don't
have any preconceived notions of what he did or what
he didn't do as far as Epstein. Okay, if there's
no emails that support is problems of so called problems
with Epstein. Yeah, and I'll so be it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right, And you could still dislike him as a president,
and you.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Could you kept talking about Epstein right now. Right.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
What I'm saying is you don't have to turn around
and say he's the greatest thing since Slice spread, Bob.
I'm not suggesting that.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
No, It's like it's almost.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
What I'm trying to do with you, Bob here tonight
and with everyone is almost put you in a jury box.
You might look at the guy and say, that guy,
he just looks to me like he's guilty. But if
the facts aren't there in the courtroom, you can't vote
to convict the guy based upon me.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Agree with you, I agree with you, but I'll come
he's trying to the last week, and so he's blaming
the press that I go going after after the Democrats
that might have the same might have the same problem
that he.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Has typical Donald talk. That's the way that's that's the
way he's wired. It's the way he's wired. Bob, you
know that he's I agree, I agree with you. It's like,
don't look at me. I didn't do it. Look at him, Bobby.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Every day, he's got so many I got to try.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
To get one idea before the break. My man. Thanks
for checking in. Uh, you and I are doing better
here in recent weeks. Thanks Palt, talk to you. Let's
go to war and war. I gotta get you in
under the wire. Thanks for calling in your thoughts on this.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Yeah, Hey, hey Dan, what I know.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
What I know is Alan.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Who is who was Epstein's lawyer? Has what was questioned
about Trump? And you know because that's you know it
being his lawyer. He was he would go to Epstein
and say, you know, what are the big names in
the in these emails to try to cut a better
deal for you know, for Epstein. And that's what defense
(37:46):
lawyers do.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
And you know he said on the closely that you know,
Trump did nothing.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Again, I don't know that. I don't know that. First
of all, what you're saying is accurate. I don't know
that the Dershowitz would have complete and a thorough knowledge
of what might might have not been dead. I've seen
nothing at this point to implicate Trump.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Yeakay Witz actually has said that you know, you know,
he knows more, he knows more, but can't say it
under a judge's order.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Well, okay, that that that honestly, Warren, I am unfamiliar with.
Hey Warren, thank you for checking in. I really do
appreciate it. Up against my eleven o'clock news. Okay, thanks,
n talk later, Okay. I would love to continue this conversation.
It's up to you. Want to call the call, want
to call the show? Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six seven nine. If this topic is not of
(38:47):
sufficient interest, we'll move on to something else. Dan Ray
in Knightside, coming back right after the eleven o'clock news.
Give us a call.
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