June 12, 2025 • 39 mins
Continued conversation about the retrial of Karen Read for the first half hour, then a shift to the recent Israel strike against Iran's nuclear sites and military leadership. .
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As night side with Dan Rays.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you very much, Dan Watkins, I appreciate it very much.
Aver is a breaking news story that is going on
right now and it is a big breaking news story,
and that is that that Israel has attacked Iran, as
Iranian State Television Associated Presses reporting says the head of
Iran's Paramilitary Revolutionary Guard is feared dead after and has
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really attacked. The report office a few of the details
about what happened to General Hassan Salami of the Guard.
The report on air added that one other top Guard
officials other Guard top officials swell as two nuclear scientists
also found dead. State Television reported the attacks at the
headquarters of Iran's Paramilitary Revolutionary Guard ablaze. Multiple sites in
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the capitol have been hit in the attack, which israelly.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, who said targeted both nuclear and
military sites and officials leading Iran's nuclear program and its
ballistic missile arsenal. This is a huge story. We will clean.
We will continue with the care and read story. But
I'm going to monitor it and at some point we
will we will go to the to this story. This
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is the United States is not involved. According to Marco
Rubio that basically this is a uteral unilateral action by
Israel against Iran. Israel had advised the US that believed
the strikes were necessary for its self defense. Rubio went
on to say, We're not involved in strikes against Iran,
and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region.
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As you probably know, earlier this week, as recently, actually
as yesterday, President Trump ordered embassy staff and several Middle
Eastern capitals to leave the area. So let us hope
that Israel is able to accomplish what it wants to accomplish,
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which with the the smallest loss of life amongst the
Iranian people. But let us also hope that Israel is
going to eliminate the nuclear threat that Iran posed, not
only to Israel but to the region. Okay, we're going
to get back to the story, to the local story,
but at some point I want to get to the
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Iranian story. Let me go first to Joe is in Boston. Joe,
you've held on, so I want to accommodate your call
here on the Karen Reid case. Go right ahead, Joe,
And if Joe isn't there, we'll put Joe on hold
and we will move on to a different caller.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Is.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let's try Joe one more time. Joe, are you there? Okay,
let's put Joe on hold. Please, let's move on to
Alex and Millis. Alex next on NIGHTSAGA right ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Hey Dan Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Good. Thank you for being there. Alex. You got to
be quick here because this story over in Iran is.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I was going to mention, is that the credibility of
the plou plud uh snow cloud driver? He said he
made two passes, he didn't see a body out there. Uh.
And then my other question was where you're an attorney.
If there's a hung jewelry, she can still be retrying.
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I thought, after the second time, you know you're free
and clear.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, no, she could be retired. That's a decision that
the attorney's office would make, and particularly in a trial
that is a capital trial, very difficult to walk away
if you are really committed and believed that this person
you know is guilty. So yeah, that could that could
happen very very easily, Alex, very easily. Thank you, my friend,
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Thank you for the call, and thank you good questions.
Appreciate it and thanks for being there. Let's keep her
only going to go to Michael and South Boston Michael
next time nights.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I go right ahead, Hey, Dan, how are you doing?
Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yes, sir, talking about Karen Reid, but trying to keep
an eye on what's going on in the middle right now.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I agree. It's been going on for about an hour
and now I've been watching it pretty sick. Okay, getting
back to uh, miss Reid, A couple of questions I'd
like to ask you. First, he brought up the plow driver.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
The plot driver also witnessed several activities of police driving
them around the neighborhood that nobody's paying attention to. I
was wondering. But more more so, I like your thoughts
about the behavior of the judge. Have you ever seen
the judge act the way she has when she's actually uh,
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asking the the the defense, asking the prosecutor if he
if he wants to object, and today she did it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I think I think that that my my observations from Afar. Again,
I've not been in the courtroom. I only have been
able to see what is on television and during the day,
I have not the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Right, That's where I've seen it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Myself.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Let me try to answer the question. Okay, if I could,
all right, since you've posed the question, let me try
to be responsive to it. I've not been in the courtroom.
I've seen the reports. I have not followed the case
on an hourly hourly basis. Every day I prepare during
the day my show for that night, which sometimes touches
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on the Kevin on the Karen Reid case and sometimes doesn't.
So I would say that my observations from AFAR would
seem to suggest that this judge is probably a prosecution judge.
And I don't know what her reputation is, but I
do think that there's been some things that I've seen
which would say that she's a little tougher on these
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since she has been on the prosecution. But that's that's
about as far as I want to go on that area.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Okay, do you know her background as far as her
brother being involved with the family, as far as a
defense attorney, No, I.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Do not know that, And I would assume I would
assume that if there was something in the judges background,
that the proper recusal motions would have been made by
the defense lawyers. If the defense lawyers felt.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That on the birth trial.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Again. I hate to, I hate to, you know, try
to finish a sentence here, Michael, But let me let
me try to. Okay, it's going to make it. It's
going to go a lot easier if I can finish
my sentence. What I'm saying is the Michael, I'm giving up.
Go ahead, wy don't you say what you want to say?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Because obviously no, no, no, no, I'm sorry, Dan, You're
a good man. I'm just sorry. It's a very passionate trial.
You have to you have to agree with that right
totally going on the second time, this is a good
this is a lady's life. That's that's we're talking about.
And I honestly I've been falling with for two trials,
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and I honestly have to believe there's a lot of
shady ship going on.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Sorry to Okay, Sonday, we had you had to drop.
Let's lose the call right now and again not only
you know, it's it's amazing sometimes people are so wound
up they can't even use their big words. They have
to drop in a word that is going to be
cut off in that cost of time. Let me go
to uh Phil in Boston, Fill your next to a
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nice that go right head.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I don't adds. I also bove my peg greggin.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
And it's.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
My question is is a tail added penalty was so
important in this case? Couldn't they take those shreds of
of live you goe with the glass and have it
chemically compared to other cas I mean it's gonna be
a way of I'm sure they're all the same way.
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I don't know, but why can't I take the glass?
But it as a kind of chemical compound? And finally,
what cat? What style cat?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
That?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Was it anality? Whatever it was? Why does it they know?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They know that the glass that the plastic I don't
think it's glass. I think it's plastic, is from is
from Karen Reid's car. There's no question about that. If
if that was a question, the defense would have introduced
evidence to show that that the glass. No, there's no question.
The question is there has been questions raised about when
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it was, was it broken, when it was when it
hit John O'Keefe. That's where this this is. And again
without in the courtroom, Phill It's tough, it's really tough.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It didn't match up, it didn't match it. Throw a car.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
No, well, it did match up. It did match up, okay,
But the question is was it was that glass some
of which was found on the lawn. Was that guy
used the word glass that plas the plastic. Was that
plastic fractured by when when she hit John O'Keeffe or
there was some in the defense team who were trying
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to say that the police broke the tail light when
it was back. I had been told from the scene
and was broken while it was in the garage, and
that was the confusion. There was this there was this
video of the car, but it was like the one
hundred and eight. It was the opposite video that was shown.
It's this this this case has been has had so
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many flaws in it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Perry Mason story kind.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, kind of, there's been there's no no Perry
Mason moment. Phil, I got a run here because I'm
up again. I'm trying to watch what's going on with
Israel and Iran. Thank you very much, Phil. Talk later
six one, seven, four, ten thirty. I'd like to segue now.
If you're on the line, Dan and Casey and Jony,
I'll give you the right to talk on the Karen
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Reid case. But as important as that case is what's
going on in Israel. It's going on in Iran tonight
is even more important. And Israel has decided to barely
strike a blow at Iran and to take out their
nuclear capability and a lot of their military and scientific leadership.
And we're going to follow that as well. So if
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you have a thought on that, I hate to do
this to you, and I hate to segue, but this
is just one of those stories that, to my way
of thinking, is too big. So well, if you're on
the line right now, Dan Casey or Joony and you
want to talk about the Read case, that's fine. We will,
but we're going to segue to what's going on in
the Middle East right now, which is always dangerous because frankly,
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a lot of you out there probably are unaware what's
going on in the Middle East, and I'll try to
bring you up to date on it coming back on
night starting.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Let's keep rolling here, going to Jony in Pennsylvania. Jony,
you have called in and I think you want to
talk about the and Read case.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yes, oz On prayers for Israel and the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I want to know did they look another Susta
or did they just zero in on her right away.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I haven't followed the case to both.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't think that the other that other suspects were considered,
and I think that from the get go there also
was a federal investigation of what the Canton Police Department did,
and there were no charges brought by the Feds against
anyone in the Canton Police Department.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Okay, thank you, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Thank you, Jones, appreciate your call. Thank you very much.
Let me keep rolling here. I believe the only call
left that is calling on Karen Reid. And you can
correct me on that, Dan if you want, Dan Cantano Cantano, uh, Dan,
and Havel joins us.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I believe you're looking to talk about Karen Reid.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
All right, you.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Say that again.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Please, So I just set a three minute run and
I'm just want of the Google kind of an ab
CD without, you know, without you.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Don't need three minutes, want you. I'll tell you when
I don't. I don't like a lot three minutes to
people to speak. Let let's have a conversation. Go ahead,
Let's see how it goes.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Then here it is if read by the way, you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Want speaker Are you want speakerphone?
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Dan? Oh yeah, let me turn it off.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah. Well, you know the thing is that when you're
on speakerphone, as we've said many times, it makes it
more difficult for people to hear you, whether you get
a minute, two minutes, three minutes, or five minutes. I
want you to be able to express yourself and be hered.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Go ahead, okay, Dan. I think if if Reid's lawyers
had her best interest at hot, they would have had
her please sufficient facts. You know, it's different than not
guilty to involuntary manslaughter rall. I would be I was
drunk and jealous, got out of the car backed up,
intending to scare him. I thought he'd jump out of
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the way, but he, being drunk, he did not. Uh
oh second.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, well that's that's pure speculation, Dan, And I don't
know what value speculation is.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
So yeah, yeah, the thin envelopments side. It would have
been over three years ago. She would have saved millions
and bottles sure to receive recipathy from people from making
a drunken mistake. She would have saved her job, millions
and legal.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I don't know you. I don't know you can kind
of plead deal on a on a on a capital case.
I really don't. I think it'll be. It's one thing
if it's drunk driving and she ran her car into
a tree and she's never been drinking before. But when
when somebody loses their life, I don't think any prosecutor
is going to say, yeah, we'll we'll we'll pull you,
admit to sufficiency and we'll give you one year of probation.
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I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Don even on the second time around, when they really
don't want to lost, you don't think they will listen
to the charge and made a deal.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
No, I don't think they know. They haven't lessen that
the three charges remained, the tragedies being tried on today
are the same charges she was facing a year ago.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Yeah, well, well okay, I think it has happened. Then
live with her, so enter it God, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well again, those sort of moral decisions I leave to others.
Thanks Dan, appreciate you, Carl, thank you very much. We're
gonna move on to the whole question. I believe on
Iran and we're looking at pictures I watch, I'm looking
at uh Fox N CNN moving back and forth, and
uh uh Iran has been hit tonight pretty hard. I
will this story is a big story. Let's go right
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now too, John in Boston, John, you're next on the
night's side. I believe you want to talk about the
the Israeli attack on on Tehran.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Actually, yeah, I was gonna mention just Karen read a
couple of quick points if you wouldn't mind, go ahead,
just real quick, a couple of there's like a seesaw
idea and there could be a lot of stuff from
one side of the sore or the other. But there's
a couple of focal points I think on the carab
Re trial, but one that the thing is the FBI
turn over the records. Karen Ree was at John o'kei's
house on the phone on the Wi Fi at twelve
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thirty six. Meanwhile, j McCabe said she saw Karen Ree's
car outside of the house at twelve forty five. She
can't be in both places. Number one again, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You're John, You're you're in the weeds there and I'm
not trying to cut you off here, but you you
obviously followed this case more closely than most of my audience,
and you're just in the weeds.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
And and okay, it's not helping me, and it's.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Not helping my audience.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
But go ahead, okay, I'll make it. I'll make it simple.
That just they talked about the tail light officer Barrels
in Dyton when they came to the state Police can't
pick up a. Karen Rea's car at her parents house.
The officer testified he saw the car, he saw the
tail light and had a slight crack and a small
piece missing. And then the state police seized the car.
And prior to that, it's the crime scene had been
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searched already with for tailllights. There was nothing the light
is also Officer of Police Officer canton On.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Jud John, here's the deal. I really am not interested
in litigating the case. Clearly, if you were on the jury,
you would lead the jury to not guilty. In about maybe.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Twenty minutes, somebody smashed the teill light and police officers
testified that it wasn't smashed that way. That's under Oh
two police officers testified. There's a problem there, there's a
huge problem.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You've convinced me, John, you know what you you you
should you should go to law school because I think
that your persuasive abilities are extraordinary.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Very key. There's a certain things that are key.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Dan, I cannot imagine. John. Here's what I don't understand, John.
There were professional reporters from the Globe and the Herald,
Associated Press UH television stations, and none of those people
who were there in the courtroom had been able to
to break it down as simply and as clearly and
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as persuasively as you.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Dan. There are a million pots. I'm just trying to say, Dan,
you can look at the police I'll say, don't take
my word, look at the police officer's testimony, and look
at the video the video.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Okayduring the next break, I'm gonna look at the video
and the police officer. John, you have a point of
view here, which is fine. Okay, you think she's been framed.
I'm glad that you got it out there. But most
of the stuff you're telling me, we've heard people talk
about it, and it's now gonna be up to the jury.
If they come back with a conviction, you're gonna be
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extraordinarily disappointed. You're gonna think the case is a bad job.
If they come back with an acquittal, you're gonna be
able to call me up and say, Dan, I told you,
and I was right from the get go. So you know,
I know you're passionate about this.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Dan. I'm saying, look at the photos and tell me
what you see. You see you get a police office,
one of these police officers lying, that's all. I'm saying,
look at the photo, how the lake is smashed?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Enough to know here's the thing. I'm not the brightest
bulb on the tree, John, but I'm swat enough to
know I was not in the courtroom. I have not
reviewed the transcript. I deal with a variety of topics
here on Night Side. Okay, I have a wide knowledge.
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I have a knowledge about a lot of things, but
I'm not here to debate her guilt or innocence. I
gave you an opportunity, just like I gave everybody else
an opportunity to express their opinion. You clearly are convinced
that she's being framed, and you know that's fine. We
got it. You gave us some specific examples. You brought specifics.
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I don't have enough knowledge of the case whether to say, yeah,
you're on You're absolutely right, she's been framed. My god,
I now understand that I'm just telling you what I believe. John,
that's all, you know. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm
not saying you're I'm saying you're passionate.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
I'm just yeah, I'm just rushing to get to the
point of the key. If you just look at the
placid tail like, that's all I just try to. I mean,
there's a million things you could talk about the case,
but not everything is important is certain key parts like
a focal, like a focal going.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So you, John, you have made the point, whether you
realize it or around. You made it very effectively. Okay,
very effectively, but I got it. I'm going to move
on to We did an hour and a half on this,
and I'm going to move on to the to in
in the what I think is the more important story tonight.
It rans to iron. So but I thank you you
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were a final caller on on this. Thanks John, talk
to you later. All right. From now on for the
battance of the night, we're going to talk about what
is going on in the Middle East tonight, which is dangerous,
but it also might turn. It might turn the world
in a good direction. If if if torn Be it
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fails to get a nuclear bomb, We'll take a quick
break and we will be back after this CBS News
special report.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Okay, we're switching topics. We're talking about what is going
on in the Middle East tonight. If you're not watching,
and I hope you're maybe watching but also listening to Nightside,
Israel has launched a huge assault and Iran. I'm looking
at both CNN and Fox and trying to just I'm
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not listening to the words. I'm seeing the pictures. This
attack occurred beginning around eight thirty our time, which is
quite early in the morning both Israeli and Iranian time,
and apparently and Israel has been successful. This was an
attack that maybe yesterday when President Trump closed several of
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our embassies and told staff in the Middle East, told
staff to evacuate. Basically, this is on the patients of
Israel with Iran, and the MULAS has run out. According
to an Associated Press story here of people in Tehran
who woke to the sound of the blast, State television
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acknowledged the blast that wasn't immediately clear would have been hit,
though smoke could be rising from chit Gar, a neighborhood
in western Tehran. There were no known nuclear sites in
that area, but it wasn't immediately clear if anything was
happening in the rest of the country, and Israeli military
officials says this country targeted Iranian nuclear sites without identify them.
The problem for Israel is that a lot of the
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Iranian nuclear sites are inside of mountains and without bunker
buster bombs, which are difficult to deliver. Many felt those
sites were impervious to attack, but knowing how how sophisticated
the Israeli military is and the mosade I, wouldn't be
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a bit surprised if they're as if they're on Israeli
commandos involved in this. I'm merely speculating. If any of
you are watching have some insight on this, I think
it is about time. I think that Iran for forty
six years has held that region of the world hostage
as a potential threat. And finally Benjamin Netanyahu, after having
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struck hes Bolah and Hamas and Amas, he's now going
after Iran, which of course is the founder of Hezbollah
and Hamas six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six,
one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. US Secretor of
Saint Marco Rubio is emphasizing this is being done by
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Israeli forces. It's going to be interesting if Tehran has
a response what that response might be. I'm sure US
forces in the area are on high alert, and I'm
sure that they already locked and loaded if necessary. Let
me go to Rob in Midford. Rob, I think we're
going to change topics here. I hope you want to
talk about what's going on and around.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Yes, Dan, I hope you can tell me why I'm wrong.
Since I was in junior in high school nineteen seventy five,
physics teacher taught us how to build a nuclear bomb.
They're very simple, there's only a few pots. The only
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thing that prevented it from ever happening was the proper fuel,
the enriched uranium that's needed. So now what has concerned
me now is a couple of things. Is I recall
it a couple of months ago, or maybe longer, there
was some drone searching New Jersey. We never found out.
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We heard they were looking for weapons grade uranium or plutonium,
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But I think that that I think that mystery was solved,
and I believe that they were US drones. But I
don't think that that story hung together. I think that
they were probably doing some testing. I think that story
has disappeared. And if there was, uh, if they were
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in fact looking for weapon grade plutonium, we would know about.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It, Okay the end.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Then then tell me all these these gardaways. Suppose they
were all carrying some Suppose there was enough of these
gardaways that each schnuck into the country would say like
one part of the atomic bomb and and and only
like a quarter of the amounts of enrich thuughtonium they needed.
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But with the amount of guard aways, how do we know, Dan,
there isn't already a bomb in this country somewhere assembled
with all these people that are in if if you
figure how many bombs they could be with this few
pots and all the matters is to have the enriched
weapons of great substance, and and uh, we could already
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have a bomb in this country now and and and
I'm I'm afraid that nobody's looking for it and it's
already here because we let it be snuck in and
we don't even know.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, there there are other weapons that that that I
would be more concerned about, to be honest with you,
I would be concerned about chemical and biological weapons that
that are much easier to to move around. But someone
had to do something to Iran. Iran was on the
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course to getting a nuclear weapon. Once they got that
nuclear weapon and more importantly a delivery system, they would
have fired that weapon at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, any any
major community in Israel. Okay, what Israel.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Is They have the right to kill everybody. They would
they the Iranians they feel, you know, they would strap
a bomb to their baby and send it over to.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You, exactly exactly. So the point is the point that
we got to deal with tonight, you and I going
to deal with right now. Is Israel is doing this
in anticipatory self defense. They know that the intentions of
Iran and the leadership, the theocratic leadership of Iran is
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to destroy the state of Israel. And they know that
once and us too. But Israel is a lot closer
to them, and their focus is Israel. So Israel is
doing tonight what they feel is necessary to defend their people.
We have no right, can we can strategize with Israel?
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But Israel has to do what is in Israel's best interest,
and I think, okay, So now.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Do you think, though, that there's going to be some
retaliation because these people are just out of their mind
anyway and just hate us anyway. And now do you
think this is going to trigger some sort of frankly.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think that. I think by taking this preemptive action,
it's going to put Iran back on its heels. It
may even lead to a counter revolution in Iran. I mean,
the people of Iran. They must not like living under
the under the leadership of Iran, Okay, And so let's
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see what happens. I think Israel did tonight what they
felt they had to do. I think Iran was getting
perilously close towards the weapon, and maybe they already have
the delivery system.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
I don't know anybody that thinks they have the right
to kill you. They should be sent back to the
Stone Age themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, some of them went back to the Stone Age tonight.
I think.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Rob. Appreciate your calls coming down for breakfast.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, thank you very much, Rob, have a great night.
Uh six one seven, two five four ten thirty six
one seven nine three one ten thirty Israel will be
criticized for this, make no mistake about it. But I
think Israel is doing what it feels it needs to
do to defend itself. They are a lot closer to Iran.
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The leadership in Iran, this theocratic, religious based leadership, has
said all along that they want to destroy the big
Satan and the little Satan Israel. And tonight Israel Israel
has struck Iran, and knowing how Israel operates, I suspect
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that it's a very effective strike. We probably won't know
until sometime tomorrow morning. But feel free to join the conversation.
I got some wide open lines here. I realize that
I have changed topics, but I think this is too
big a story to ignore, and I can talk about
it all night, but I'd love to hear what you think.
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If you support Israel and what they're doing tonight, feel free.
If you think Israel has taken a gamble and taken
a risk here that might lead to a wider war,
and you want to make that argument, feel free six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty Those lines of wide open I have won
at six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Back
on night Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Night Side fine with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
How are you following the attacks tonight by the State
of Israel against Iran. Israel has held off as long
as they could, but they got to a point where
they felt had had to be done, and apparently dozens
of aircraft were involved in the operation. We don't have
specifics yet, but knowing how Israel has operated for seventy
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six years of its existence, since May of nineteen forty eight,
when Israel acts, it acts decisively. Jane is an ever Gene,
you were next on Nightside. Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
How are you hi, Jan?
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Yes, good, thank you. I've been following this for a
little while tonight, and I really assumed it was coming
when I heard that Trump was moving some of our
military around.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
He was moving embassy staff out of some embassies in
the Middle East to safer Yeah. So, yep, that was
a pretty good indication.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
That put my intenter up a little bit, and I
was glad that that was happening. I have to be honest,
I'm glad that Israel did this because they had no choice. Really,
I mean, to let Irene go on like this. Irene
is like a monster you know, out there, and if
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they didn't do this, it would have been the end
of Israel certainly, and maybe the end of other countries too.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So the president, President Trump's having a cabinet meeting tonight.
He is also apparently a federal judge has ordered President
Trump to return control of the California National Guard. That
was a ruling out of by a federal district judge
in San Francisco. That will probably be appealed and that
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might conceivably get to the US Supreme Court. But that's
another story that's going on tonight.
Speaker 9 (31:53):
So it's a busy yeah, that that is just a
situation where incompetence in California government, I'm sorry and other
places that are letting this happen because they are they
are you know, there's criminal acts being that are happening
with the protests. They're not peaceful protests and you can't
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allow that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Let me focused. I brought that up only because I
just noticed that on CNN.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Oh no, it's okay, but I just it shouldn't be happening.
It has to be stopped, and I'm sorry, too bad.
Arrest them all. That's it. But I'm glad Israel is
doing this, they had no choice.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Good, well, let us hope that. Let's hope they're successful,
because Iran has been nothing since Omani returned to power
from from Paris, France.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
And uh, they are an evil empire. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, well they're at least part of the axis of
the evil empire. They yeah. Uh. We gave him plenty
of opportunity to settle down.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
And they they missed the signal. They missed the signal.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
We'll see, Yeah, traveling their own road, and I think
it's going to lead them to a bad place. So
I think as.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well as going to a rocky road for Iran tonight,
through a lot of rocky roads in Iran tonight. If
you get my drift, thanks.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
To appreciate great well, they asked, thank you got it?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Let me go next to Laurie in Idaho. Hi, Laurie,
thanks for calling in. You're you've been following this a
little bit tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I have I gues. Someone called me and gave me
a heads up. I think it's gonna be able to
start a little bit. They hadn't done the big attack yet,
which I thought was interesting, and so I just wanted
to thank you so much for for switching to the story,
because this is really important to follow. I think and
remember I said a week or two ago, how Trump
throws out red herrings and something bigger is going on.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Uh, yeah, I do remember your comment. And I assumed
he was talking about a tariff deal with China.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
But.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Well he might have been, you know, he might have
been this. This thing obviously didn't happen overnight, so this
might have been talks and strategic. Obviously, you know we're not,
you know, involved militarily and all that, and I'm glad
we shouldn't be, but those talks had been going on,
and he is just an expert. It's throwing out little
red fish to get the media all upset and following
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that and ignoring something bigger that might be going on.
But I am just I mean, what can you do?
I mean good, good for Israel, and I think with
at least I think with Trump, and there are some
other European leaders that are are tired of the bullying.
I mean, Trump is going to put down a bully.
He's not going to stand for it. Obviously ran as
a bully. Israel has had enough of it, and yeah,
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well it's there. He did but hopefully it works out.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I also think that indirectly this helps indirectly Ukraine because
has been supplying Russia with drones that have been that
Russia is using to attack Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I thought, I.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Think this is going to there are implications here. H
and if if this rate, yeah, I know, but if
if this rate is successful, and it's always difficult in
the first few hours, Uh, they will get some pictures
of their targets over there because it's getting very close. Well,
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it's it's really dawn over there at this point. It's
sun online has has come up on that part of
the world. They'll have some satellite photos, will have some
satellite photos. I believe that President Trump has the National
Security Council meeting now scheduled for eleven in the morning.
He has some sort of a cabinet meeting being going
on right now, so he's he's on top of this.
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And and I'm sure that net Yaho and he having
a much better relationship than Netanya who had with former
President Biden.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Uh, he's he well, anything better than none. But moving on, Well, yes,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
He had he had the green light, which you know,
we have plausible deniability, so no one's going to be
able to accuse us of participating. But I got to
believe there's some US military assets uh ready to go
over there. I'm not even sure if tarn has the
ability to counterattack, if for Israel used the time that
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they had between all of those assaults that we saw
a few months ago in Israel, if they used all
the time that they had, Remember, this is the this
is the country that was able to do that.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
That those those portable radios uh and those walkie talkies uh,
they killed most of the leadership of Hamas. They literally
blew up in their pockets.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Brilliant.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was brilliant. And I wouldn't be a bit surprised
if we're going to find out that there was that
there were Israeli special forces who went in and and
and blew up some of this infrastructure in Iran. That's
very that's very deep in uh in mountains.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, very good guidance and maybe a little manpower yep.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, So well we will have to see. Laurie. Is
always great to hear your voice. Thank you, and I'm
glad if you tell me that I made the right
decision here. Again, we could have talked our intention was
to uh talk about uh, we'll talk tomorrow night about
the riots all that. So sometimes we have to change.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Far more important it is to me, and I.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Hope my audience picks up on this after the eleven
ou thanks, Laurie, we'll talk to Okay, thank.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You, soodnight.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay, So what we're going to do here is we're
going to take a quick break. And I have wide
open lines right now. And this is one of those
stories where probably most of you don't have much to
say because you're just catching up with the news story.
So let me just bring you up to date. Iran
tonight has launched a massive and I think that is
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an appropriate word, a massive attack against Israel has launched
a massive attack against Iran. I think that Israel finally
said enough is enough, and hey, they have tried to
now wipe out, if not the Iranian regime, certainly wipe
out their capacity to produce and deliver nuclear weapons. We
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will get to all of this during the next hour.
I'm going to spend the next few minutes catching up
on the latest. I hope you will as well. In
the meantime, I hope you'll call us. The bottom line
is I believe Israel did what was in Israel's interest
tonight and hope, I hope that they have the success
that they have planned, and maybe maybe this will weaken
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the leadership in Tehran, so there may be a counter
revolution and there may be freedom for the Iranian people.
Israel's fight is not with the Iranian people. It's with
the military leadership of that country, and it's a theocratic leadership.
You have the number six, one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty, six one seven, nine three, one, ten thirty.
Let's get these phone lines going, coming right back on
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nightside
As night side with Dan Rays.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you very much, Dan Watkins, I appreciate it very much.
Aver is a breaking news story that is going on
right now and it is a big breaking news story,
and that is that that Israel has attacked Iran, as
Iranian State Television Associated Presses reporting says the head of
Iran's Paramilitary Revolutionary Guard is feared dead after and has
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really attacked. The report office a few of the details
about what happened to General Hassan Salami of the Guard.
The report on air added that one other top Guard
officials other Guard top officials swell as two nuclear scientists
also found dead. State Television reported the attacks at the
headquarters of Iran's Paramilitary Revolutionary Guard ablaze. Multiple sites in
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the capitol have been hit in the attack, which israelly.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, who said targeted both nuclear and
military sites and officials leading Iran's nuclear program and its
ballistic missile arsenal. This is a huge story. We will clean.
We will continue with the care and read story. But
I'm going to monitor it and at some point we
will we will go to the to this story. This
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is the United States is not involved. According to Marco
Rubio that basically this is a uteral unilateral action by
Israel against Iran. Israel had advised the US that believed
the strikes were necessary for its self defense. Rubio went
on to say, We're not involved in strikes against Iran,
and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region.
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As you probably know, earlier this week, as recently, actually
as yesterday, President Trump ordered embassy staff and several Middle
Eastern capitals to leave the area. So let us hope
that Israel is able to accomplish what it wants to accomplish,
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which with the the smallest loss of life amongst the
Iranian people. But let us also hope that Israel is
going to eliminate the nuclear threat that Iran posed, not
only to Israel but to the region. Okay, we're going
to get back to the story, to the local story,
but at some point I want to get to the
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Iranian story. Let me go first to Joe is in Boston. Joe,
you've held on, so I want to accommodate your call
here on the Karen Reid case. Go right ahead, Joe,
And if Joe isn't there, we'll put Joe on hold
and we will move on to a different caller.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Is.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let's try Joe one more time. Joe, are you there? Okay,
let's put Joe on hold. Please, let's move on to
Alex and Millis. Alex next on NIGHTSAGA right ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Hey Dan Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Good. Thank you for being there. Alex. You got to
be quick here because this story over in Iran is.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I was going to mention, is that the credibility of
the plou plud uh snow cloud driver? He said he
made two passes, he didn't see a body out there. Uh.
And then my other question was where you're an attorney.
If there's a hung jewelry, she can still be retrying.
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I thought, after the second time, you know you're free
and clear.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, no, she could be retired. That's a decision that
the attorney's office would make, and particularly in a trial
that is a capital trial, very difficult to walk away
if you are really committed and believed that this person
you know is guilty. So yeah, that could that could
happen very very easily, Alex, very easily. Thank you, my friend,
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Thank you for the call, and thank you good questions.
Appreciate it and thanks for being there. Let's keep her
only going to go to Michael and South Boston Michael
next time nights.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I go right ahead, Hey, Dan, how are you doing?
Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yes, sir, talking about Karen Reid, but trying to keep
an eye on what's going on in the middle right now.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I agree. It's been going on for about an hour
and now I've been watching it pretty sick. Okay, getting
back to uh, miss Reid, A couple of questions I'd
like to ask you. First, he brought up the plow driver.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
The plot driver also witnessed several activities of police driving
them around the neighborhood that nobody's paying attention to. I
was wondering. But more more so, I like your thoughts
about the behavior of the judge. Have you ever seen
the judge act the way she has when she's actually uh,
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asking the the the defense, asking the prosecutor if he
if he wants to object, and today she did it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I think I think that that my my observations from Afar. Again,
I've not been in the courtroom. I only have been
able to see what is on television and during the day,
I have not the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Right, That's where I've seen it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Myself.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Let me try to answer the question. Okay, if I could,
all right, since you've posed the question, let me try
to be responsive to it. I've not been in the courtroom.
I've seen the reports. I have not followed the case
on an hourly hourly basis. Every day I prepare during
the day my show for that night, which sometimes touches
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on the Kevin on the Karen Reid case and sometimes doesn't.
So I would say that my observations from AFAR would
seem to suggest that this judge is probably a prosecution judge.
And I don't know what her reputation is, but I
do think that there's been some things that I've seen
which would say that she's a little tougher on these
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since she has been on the prosecution. But that's that's
about as far as I want to go on that area.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Okay, do you know her background as far as her
brother being involved with the family, as far as a
defense attorney, No, I.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Do not know that, And I would assume I would
assume that if there was something in the judges background,
that the proper recusal motions would have been made by
the defense lawyers. If the defense lawyers felt.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That on the birth trial.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Again. I hate to, I hate to, you know, try
to finish a sentence here, Michael, But let me let
me try to. Okay, it's going to make it. It's
going to go a lot easier if I can finish
my sentence. What I'm saying is the Michael, I'm giving up.
Go ahead, wy don't you say what you want to say?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Because obviously no, no, no, no, I'm sorry, Dan, You're
a good man. I'm just sorry. It's a very passionate trial.
You have to you have to agree with that right
totally going on the second time, this is a good
this is a lady's life. That's that's we're talking about.
And I honestly I've been falling with for two trials,
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and I honestly have to believe there's a lot of
shady ship going on.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Sorry to Okay, Sonday, we had you had to drop.
Let's lose the call right now and again not only
you know, it's it's amazing sometimes people are so wound
up they can't even use their big words. They have
to drop in a word that is going to be
cut off in that cost of time. Let me go
to uh Phil in Boston, Fill your next to a
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nice that go right head.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I don't adds. I also bove my peg greggin.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
And it's.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
My question is is a tail added penalty was so
important in this case? Couldn't they take those shreds of
of live you goe with the glass and have it
chemically compared to other cas I mean it's gonna be
a way of I'm sure they're all the same way.
(08:04):
I don't know, but why can't I take the glass?
But it as a kind of chemical compound? And finally,
what cat? What style cat?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
That?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Was it anality? Whatever it was? Why does it they know?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They know that the glass that the plastic I don't
think it's glass. I think it's plastic, is from is
from Karen Reid's car. There's no question about that. If
if that was a question, the defense would have introduced
evidence to show that that the glass. No, there's no question.
The question is there has been questions raised about when
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it was, was it broken, when it was when it
hit John O'Keefe. That's where this this is. And again
without in the courtroom, Phill It's tough, it's really tough.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It didn't match up, it didn't match it. Throw a car.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
No, well, it did match up. It did match up, okay,
But the question is was it was that glass some
of which was found on the lawn. Was that guy
used the word glass that plas the plastic. Was that
plastic fractured by when when she hit John O'Keeffe or
there was some in the defense team who were trying
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to say that the police broke the tail light when
it was back. I had been told from the scene
and was broken while it was in the garage, and
that was the confusion. There was this there was this
video of the car, but it was like the one
hundred and eight. It was the opposite video that was shown.
It's this this this case has been has had so
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many flaws in it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Perry Mason story kind.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, kind of, there's been there's no no Perry
Mason moment. Phil, I got a run here because I'm
up again. I'm trying to watch what's going on with
Israel and Iran. Thank you very much, Phil. Talk later
six one, seven, four, ten thirty. I'd like to segue now.
If you're on the line, Dan and Casey and Jony,
I'll give you the right to talk on the Karen
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Reid case. But as important as that case is what's
going on in Israel. It's going on in Iran tonight
is even more important. And Israel has decided to barely
strike a blow at Iran and to take out their
nuclear capability and a lot of their military and scientific leadership.
And we're going to follow that as well. So if
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you have a thought on that, I hate to do
this to you, and I hate to segue, but this
is just one of those stories that, to my way
of thinking, is too big. So well, if you're on
the line right now, Dan Casey or Joony and you
want to talk about the Read case, that's fine. We will,
but we're going to segue to what's going on in
the Middle East right now, which is always dangerous because frankly,
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a lot of you out there probably are unaware what's
going on in the Middle East, and I'll try to
bring you up to date on it coming back on
night starting.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Let's keep rolling here, going to Jony in Pennsylvania. Jony,
you have called in and I think you want to
talk about the and Read case.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yes, oz On prayers for Israel and the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I want to know did they look another Susta
or did they just zero in on her right away.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I haven't followed the case to both.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't think that the other that other suspects were considered,
and I think that from the get go there also
was a federal investigation of what the Canton Police Department did,
and there were no charges brought by the Feds against
anyone in the Canton Police Department.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Okay, thank you, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Thank you, Jones, appreciate your call. Thank you very much.
Let me keep rolling here. I believe the only call
left that is calling on Karen Reid. And you can
correct me on that, Dan if you want, Dan Cantano Cantano, uh, Dan,
and Havel joins us.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I believe you're looking to talk about Karen Reid.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
All right, you.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Say that again.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Please, So I just set a three minute run and
I'm just want of the Google kind of an ab
CD without, you know, without you.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Don't need three minutes, want you. I'll tell you when
I don't. I don't like a lot three minutes to
people to speak. Let let's have a conversation. Go ahead,
Let's see how it goes.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Then here it is if read by the way, you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Want speaker Are you want speakerphone?
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Dan? Oh yeah, let me turn it off.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah. Well, you know the thing is that when you're
on speakerphone, as we've said many times, it makes it
more difficult for people to hear you, whether you get
a minute, two minutes, three minutes, or five minutes. I
want you to be able to express yourself and be hered.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Go ahead, okay, Dan. I think if if Reid's lawyers
had her best interest at hot, they would have had
her please sufficient facts. You know, it's different than not
guilty to involuntary manslaughter rall. I would be I was
drunk and jealous, got out of the car backed up,
intending to scare him. I thought he'd jump out of
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the way, but he, being drunk, he did not. Uh
oh second.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, well that's that's pure speculation, Dan, And I don't
know what value speculation is.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
So yeah, yeah, the thin envelopments side. It would have
been over three years ago. She would have saved millions
and bottles sure to receive recipathy from people from making
a drunken mistake. She would have saved her job, millions
and legal.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I don't know you. I don't know you can kind
of plead deal on a on a on a capital case.
I really don't. I think it'll be. It's one thing
if it's drunk driving and she ran her car into
a tree and she's never been drinking before. But when
when somebody loses their life, I don't think any prosecutor
is going to say, yeah, we'll we'll we'll pull you,
admit to sufficiency and we'll give you one year of probation.
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I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Don even on the second time around, when they really
don't want to lost, you don't think they will listen
to the charge and made a deal.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
No, I don't think they know. They haven't lessen that
the three charges remained, the tragedies being tried on today
are the same charges she was facing a year ago.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Yeah, well, well okay, I think it has happened. Then
live with her, so enter it God, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well again, those sort of moral decisions I leave to others.
Thanks Dan, appreciate you, Carl, thank you very much. We're
gonna move on to the whole question. I believe on
Iran and we're looking at pictures I watch, I'm looking
at uh Fox N CNN moving back and forth, and
uh uh Iran has been hit tonight pretty hard. I
will this story is a big story. Let's go right
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now too, John in Boston, John, you're next on the
night's side. I believe you want to talk about the
the Israeli attack on on Tehran.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Actually, yeah, I was gonna mention just Karen read a
couple of quick points if you wouldn't mind, go ahead,
just real quick, a couple of there's like a seesaw
idea and there could be a lot of stuff from
one side of the sore or the other. But there's
a couple of focal points I think on the carab
Re trial, but one that the thing is the FBI
turn over the records. Karen Ree was at John o'kei's
house on the phone on the Wi Fi at twelve
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thirty six. Meanwhile, j McCabe said she saw Karen Ree's
car outside of the house at twelve forty five. She
can't be in both places. Number one again, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You're John, You're you're in the weeds there and I'm
not trying to cut you off here, but you you
obviously followed this case more closely than most of my audience,
and you're just in the weeds.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
And and okay, it's not helping me, and it's.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Not helping my audience.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
But go ahead, okay, I'll make it. I'll make it simple.
That just they talked about the tail light officer Barrels
in Dyton when they came to the state Police can't
pick up a. Karen Rea's car at her parents house.
The officer testified he saw the car, he saw the
tail light and had a slight crack and a small
piece missing. And then the state police seized the car.
And prior to that, it's the crime scene had been
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searched already with for tailllights. There was nothing the light
is also Officer of Police Officer canton On.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Jud John, here's the deal. I really am not interested
in litigating the case. Clearly, if you were on the jury,
you would lead the jury to not guilty. In about maybe.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Twenty minutes, somebody smashed the teill light and police officers
testified that it wasn't smashed that way. That's under Oh
two police officers testified. There's a problem there, there's a
huge problem.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You've convinced me, John, you know what you you you
should you should go to law school because I think
that your persuasive abilities are extraordinary.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Very key. There's a certain things that are key.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Dan, I cannot imagine. John. Here's what I don't understand, John.
There were professional reporters from the Globe and the Herald,
Associated Press UH television stations, and none of those people
who were there in the courtroom had been able to
to break it down as simply and as clearly and
(17:03):
as persuasively as you.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Dan. There are a million pots. I'm just trying to say, Dan,
you can look at the police I'll say, don't take
my word, look at the police officer's testimony, and look
at the video the video.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Okayduring the next break, I'm gonna look at the video
and the police officer. John, you have a point of
view here, which is fine. Okay, you think she's been framed.
I'm glad that you got it out there. But most
of the stuff you're telling me, we've heard people talk
about it, and it's now gonna be up to the jury.
If they come back with a conviction, you're gonna be
(17:37):
extraordinarily disappointed. You're gonna think the case is a bad job.
If they come back with an acquittal, you're gonna be
able to call me up and say, Dan, I told you,
and I was right from the get go. So you know,
I know you're passionate about this.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Dan. I'm saying, look at the photos and tell me
what you see. You see you get a police office,
one of these police officers lying, that's all. I'm saying,
look at the photo, how the lake is smashed?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Enough to know here's the thing. I'm not the brightest
bulb on the tree, John, but I'm swat enough to
know I was not in the courtroom. I have not
reviewed the transcript. I deal with a variety of topics
here on Night Side. Okay, I have a wide knowledge.
(18:22):
I have a knowledge about a lot of things, but
I'm not here to debate her guilt or innocence. I
gave you an opportunity, just like I gave everybody else
an opportunity to express their opinion. You clearly are convinced
that she's being framed, and you know that's fine. We
got it. You gave us some specific examples. You brought specifics.
(18:46):
I don't have enough knowledge of the case whether to say, yeah,
you're on You're absolutely right, she's been framed. My god,
I now understand that I'm just telling you what I believe. John,
that's all, you know. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm
not saying you're I'm saying you're passionate.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
I'm just yeah, I'm just rushing to get to the
point of the key. If you just look at the
placid tail like, that's all I just try to. I mean,
there's a million things you could talk about the case,
but not everything is important is certain key parts like
a focal, like a focal going.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So you, John, you have made the point, whether you
realize it or around. You made it very effectively. Okay,
very effectively, but I got it. I'm going to move
on to We did an hour and a half on this,
and I'm going to move on to the to in
in the what I think is the more important story tonight.
It rans to iron. So but I thank you you
(19:38):
were a final caller on on this. Thanks John, talk
to you later. All right. From now on for the
battance of the night, we're going to talk about what
is going on in the Middle East tonight, which is dangerous,
but it also might turn. It might turn the world
in a good direction. If if if torn Be it
(20:00):
fails to get a nuclear bomb, We'll take a quick
break and we will be back after this CBS News
special report.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Okay, we're switching topics. We're talking about what is going
on in the Middle East tonight. If you're not watching,
and I hope you're maybe watching but also listening to Nightside,
Israel has launched a huge assault and Iran. I'm looking
at both CNN and Fox and trying to just I'm
(20:36):
not listening to the words. I'm seeing the pictures. This
attack occurred beginning around eight thirty our time, which is
quite early in the morning both Israeli and Iranian time,
and apparently and Israel has been successful. This was an
attack that maybe yesterday when President Trump closed several of
(21:02):
our embassies and told staff in the Middle East, told
staff to evacuate. Basically, this is on the patients of
Israel with Iran, and the MULAS has run out. According
to an Associated Press story here of people in Tehran
who woke to the sound of the blast, State television
(21:23):
acknowledged the blast that wasn't immediately clear would have been hit,
though smoke could be rising from chit Gar, a neighborhood
in western Tehran. There were no known nuclear sites in
that area, but it wasn't immediately clear if anything was
happening in the rest of the country, and Israeli military
officials says this country targeted Iranian nuclear sites without identify them.
The problem for Israel is that a lot of the
(21:46):
Iranian nuclear sites are inside of mountains and without bunker
buster bombs, which are difficult to deliver. Many felt those
sites were impervious to attack, but knowing how how sophisticated
the Israeli military is and the mosade I, wouldn't be
(22:09):
a bit surprised if they're as if they're on Israeli
commandos involved in this. I'm merely speculating. If any of
you are watching have some insight on this, I think
it is about time. I think that Iran for forty
six years has held that region of the world hostage
as a potential threat. And finally Benjamin Netanyahu, after having
(22:33):
struck hes Bolah and Hamas and Amas, he's now going
after Iran, which of course is the founder of Hezbollah
and Hamas six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six,
one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. US Secretor of
Saint Marco Rubio is emphasizing this is being done by
(22:55):
Israeli forces. It's going to be interesting if Tehran has
a response what that response might be. I'm sure US
forces in the area are on high alert, and I'm
sure that they already locked and loaded if necessary. Let
me go to Rob in Midford. Rob, I think we're
going to change topics here. I hope you want to
talk about what's going on and around.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Yes, Dan, I hope you can tell me why I'm wrong.
Since I was in junior in high school nineteen seventy five,
physics teacher taught us how to build a nuclear bomb.
They're very simple, there's only a few pots. The only
(23:38):
thing that prevented it from ever happening was the proper fuel,
the enriched uranium that's needed. So now what has concerned
me now is a couple of things. Is I recall
it a couple of months ago, or maybe longer, there
was some drone searching New Jersey. We never found out.
(24:01):
We heard they were looking for weapons grade uranium or plutonium,
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But I think that that I think that mystery was solved,
and I believe that they were US drones. But I
don't think that that story hung together. I think that
they were probably doing some testing. I think that story
has disappeared. And if there was, uh, if they were
(24:31):
in fact looking for weapon grade plutonium, we would know about.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It, Okay the end.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Then then tell me all these these gardaways. Suppose they
were all carrying some Suppose there was enough of these
gardaways that each schnuck into the country would say like
one part of the atomic bomb and and and only
like a quarter of the amounts of enrich thuughtonium they needed.
(25:01):
But with the amount of guard aways, how do we know, Dan,
there isn't already a bomb in this country somewhere assembled
with all these people that are in if if you
figure how many bombs they could be with this few
pots and all the matters is to have the enriched
weapons of great substance, and and uh, we could already
(25:25):
have a bomb in this country now and and and
I'm I'm afraid that nobody's looking for it and it's
already here because we let it be snuck in and
we don't even know.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, there there are other weapons that that that I
would be more concerned about, to be honest with you,
I would be concerned about chemical and biological weapons that
that are much easier to to move around. But someone
had to do something to Iran. Iran was on the
(26:01):
course to getting a nuclear weapon. Once they got that
nuclear weapon and more importantly a delivery system, they would
have fired that weapon at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, any any
major community in Israel. Okay, what Israel.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Is They have the right to kill everybody. They would
they the Iranians they feel, you know, they would strap
a bomb to their baby and send it over to.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You, exactly exactly. So the point is the point that
we got to deal with tonight, you and I going
to deal with right now. Is Israel is doing this
in anticipatory self defense. They know that the intentions of
Iran and the leadership, the theocratic leadership of Iran is
(26:53):
to destroy the state of Israel. And they know that
once and us too. But Israel is a lot closer
to them, and their focus is Israel. So Israel is
doing tonight what they feel is necessary to defend their people.
We have no right, can we can strategize with Israel?
(27:13):
But Israel has to do what is in Israel's best interest,
and I think, okay, So now.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Do you think, though, that there's going to be some
retaliation because these people are just out of their mind
anyway and just hate us anyway. And now do you
think this is going to trigger some sort of frankly.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think that. I think by taking this preemptive action,
it's going to put Iran back on its heels. It
may even lead to a counter revolution in Iran. I mean,
the people of Iran. They must not like living under
the under the leadership of Iran, Okay, And so let's
(27:58):
see what happens. I think Israel did tonight what they
felt they had to do. I think Iran was getting
perilously close towards the weapon, and maybe they already have
the delivery system.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
I don't know anybody that thinks they have the right
to kill you. They should be sent back to the
Stone Age themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, some of them went back to the Stone Age tonight.
I think.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Rob. Appreciate your calls coming down for breakfast.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, thank you very much, Rob, have a great night.
Uh six one seven, two five four ten thirty six
one seven nine three one ten thirty Israel will be
criticized for this, make no mistake about it. But I
think Israel is doing what it feels it needs to
do to defend itself. They are a lot closer to Iran.
(28:48):
The leadership in Iran, this theocratic, religious based leadership, has
said all along that they want to destroy the big
Satan and the little Satan Israel. And tonight Israel Israel
has struck Iran, and knowing how Israel operates, I suspect
(29:11):
that it's a very effective strike. We probably won't know
until sometime tomorrow morning. But feel free to join the conversation.
I got some wide open lines here. I realize that
I have changed topics, but I think this is too
big a story to ignore, and I can talk about
it all night, but I'd love to hear what you think.
(29:32):
If you support Israel and what they're doing tonight, feel free.
If you think Israel has taken a gamble and taken
a risk here that might lead to a wider war,
and you want to make that argument, feel free six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty Those lines of wide open I have won
at six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Back
on night Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Night Side fine with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
How are you following the attacks tonight by the State
of Israel against Iran. Israel has held off as long
as they could, but they got to a point where
they felt had had to be done, and apparently dozens
of aircraft were involved in the operation. We don't have
specifics yet, but knowing how Israel has operated for seventy
(30:24):
six years of its existence, since May of nineteen forty eight,
when Israel acts, it acts decisively. Jane is an ever Gene,
you were next on Nightside. Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
How are you hi, Jan?
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Yes, good, thank you. I've been following this for a
little while tonight, and I really assumed it was coming
when I heard that Trump was moving some of our
military around.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
He was moving embassy staff out of some embassies in
the Middle East to safer Yeah. So, yep, that was
a pretty good indication.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
That put my intenter up a little bit, and I
was glad that that was happening. I have to be honest,
I'm glad that Israel did this because they had no choice. Really,
I mean, to let Irene go on like this. Irene
is like a monster you know, out there, and if
(31:20):
they didn't do this, it would have been the end
of Israel certainly, and maybe the end of other countries too.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So the president, President Trump's having a cabinet meeting tonight.
He is also apparently a federal judge has ordered President
Trump to return control of the California National Guard. That
was a ruling out of by a federal district judge
in San Francisco. That will probably be appealed and that
(31:47):
might conceivably get to the US Supreme Court. But that's
another story that's going on tonight.
Speaker 9 (31:53):
So it's a busy yeah, that that is just a
situation where incompetence in California government, I'm sorry and other
places that are letting this happen because they are they
are you know, there's criminal acts being that are happening
with the protests. They're not peaceful protests and you can't
(32:18):
allow that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Let me focused. I brought that up only because I
just noticed that on CNN.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Oh no, it's okay, but I just it shouldn't be happening.
It has to be stopped, and I'm sorry, too bad.
Arrest them all. That's it. But I'm glad Israel is
doing this, they had no choice.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Good, well, let us hope that. Let's hope they're successful,
because Iran has been nothing since Omani returned to power
from from Paris, France.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
And uh, they are an evil empire. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, well they're at least part of the axis of
the evil empire. They yeah. Uh. We gave him plenty
of opportunity to settle down.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
And they they missed the signal. They missed the signal.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
We'll see, Yeah, traveling their own road, and I think
it's going to lead them to a bad place. So
I think as.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well as going to a rocky road for Iran tonight,
through a lot of rocky roads in Iran tonight. If
you get my drift, thanks.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
To appreciate great well, they asked, thank you got it?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Let me go next to Laurie in Idaho. Hi, Laurie,
thanks for calling in. You're you've been following this a
little bit tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I have I gues. Someone called me and gave me
a heads up. I think it's gonna be able to
start a little bit. They hadn't done the big attack yet,
which I thought was interesting, and so I just wanted
to thank you so much for for switching to the story,
because this is really important to follow. I think and
remember I said a week or two ago, how Trump
throws out red herrings and something bigger is going on.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Uh, yeah, I do remember your comment. And I assumed
he was talking about a tariff deal with China.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
But.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Well he might have been, you know, he might have
been this. This thing obviously didn't happen overnight, so this
might have been talks and strategic. Obviously, you know we're not,
you know, involved militarily and all that, and I'm glad
we shouldn't be, but those talks had been going on,
and he is just an expert. It's throwing out little
red fish to get the media all upset and following
(34:28):
that and ignoring something bigger that might be going on.
But I am just I mean, what can you do?
I mean good, good for Israel, and I think with
at least I think with Trump, and there are some
other European leaders that are are tired of the bullying.
I mean, Trump is going to put down a bully.
He's not going to stand for it. Obviously ran as
a bully. Israel has had enough of it, and yeah,
(34:49):
well it's there. He did but hopefully it works out.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I also think that indirectly this helps indirectly Ukraine because
has been supplying Russia with drones that have been that
Russia is using to attack Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I thought, I.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Think this is going to there are implications here. H
and if if this rate, yeah, I know, but if
if this rate is successful, and it's always difficult in
the first few hours, Uh, they will get some pictures
of their targets over there because it's getting very close. Well,
(35:30):
it's it's really dawn over there at this point. It's
sun online has has come up on that part of
the world. They'll have some satellite photos, will have some
satellite photos. I believe that President Trump has the National
Security Council meeting now scheduled for eleven in the morning.
He has some sort of a cabinet meeting being going
on right now, so he's he's on top of this.
(35:54):
And and I'm sure that net Yaho and he having
a much better relationship than Netanya who had with former
President Biden.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Uh, he's he well, anything better than none. But moving on, Well, yes,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
He had he had the green light, which you know,
we have plausible deniability, so no one's going to be
able to accuse us of participating. But I got to
believe there's some US military assets uh ready to go
over there. I'm not even sure if tarn has the
ability to counterattack, if for Israel used the time that
(36:32):
they had between all of those assaults that we saw
a few months ago in Israel, if they used all
the time that they had, Remember, this is the this
is the country that was able to do that.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
That those those portable radios uh and those walkie talkies uh,
they killed most of the leadership of Hamas. They literally
blew up in their pockets.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Brilliant.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was brilliant. And I wouldn't be a bit surprised
if we're going to find out that there was that
there were Israeli special forces who went in and and
and blew up some of this infrastructure in Iran. That's
very that's very deep in uh in mountains.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, very good guidance and maybe a little manpower yep.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, So well we will have to see. Laurie. Is
always great to hear your voice. Thank you, and I'm
glad if you tell me that I made the right
decision here. Again, we could have talked our intention was
to uh talk about uh, we'll talk tomorrow night about
the riots all that. So sometimes we have to change.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Far more important it is to me, and I.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Hope my audience picks up on this after the eleven
ou thanks, Laurie, we'll talk to Okay, thank.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You, soodnight.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay, So what we're going to do here is we're
going to take a quick break. And I have wide
open lines right now. And this is one of those
stories where probably most of you don't have much to
say because you're just catching up with the news story.
So let me just bring you up to date. Iran
tonight has launched a massive and I think that is
(38:14):
an appropriate word, a massive attack against Israel has launched
a massive attack against Iran. I think that Israel finally
said enough is enough, and hey, they have tried to
now wipe out, if not the Iranian regime, certainly wipe
out their capacity to produce and deliver nuclear weapons. We
(38:36):
will get to all of this during the next hour.
I'm going to spend the next few minutes catching up
on the latest. I hope you will as well. In
the meantime, I hope you'll call us. The bottom line
is I believe Israel did what was in Israel's interest
tonight and hope, I hope that they have the success
that they have planned, and maybe maybe this will weaken
(39:00):
the leadership in Tehran, so there may be a counter
revolution and there may be freedom for the Iranian people.
Israel's fight is not with the Iranian people. It's with
the military leadership of that country, and it's a theocratic leadership.
You have the number six, one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty, six one seven, nine three, one, ten thirty.
Let's get these phone lines going, coming right back on
(39:22):
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