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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have so much to
get into this week. Of course, don't forget that all
of the stories and the news that we don't cover
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on Mother Knows Death, we link in the Gross Room
and we talk about additional stories on our YouTube live
episode every week that's exclusive for Gross Room members. On
today's episode, we're going to talk about Fred Goldman receiving
payment from OJ Simpson's estate almost thirty years after his
son was killed. A lot of people online are comparing
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that to a more recent case that we have talked
about a lot on this show, So we'll get into
a discussion about that. A terrible case of medical malpractice
in a hospital left a child dead, a drunk driver
who crashed doing something unusual or maybe it's usual in
drunk drivers, I don't know. Then we're going to get
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into something we've already talked about on this show, which
involves a deadly allergic reaction to meet We'll wrap things
up with a case of a man who was living
in a home and died of a result of severe
constipation and a woman who had her son's ashes stolen
from her car. Then your comments and questions. All that
and more On today's episode, let's talk about oj Simpson.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, first, I'll say sorry if our voices are in
and out. It is Postnaeseled Drip season in the can
and Jemmy Household.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It has been brutal.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Also, thank you to everybody who entered the giveaway the
last two weeks. We have emailed all of the winners.
And congratulations to Katie, who is going to be going
to dinner with us. So I've already talked to her
and she's very excited and I'm very excited to hang
out with her.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And we're gonna have last year's whinter Emma come with
us too, write hopefully if the dates fine up.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So, Emma, we're waiting for you.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And yeah, Katie, you're saying congratulations. She might be like,
I never want to eat with these people again. No,
but we're super You might learn the hard way what
a what an an Jemmy dinner is really like around
this place.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, hopefully this time we don't have the world's worst
waiter that comes over literally one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That was insane. Yeah, I can't stand that shit, man,
we should. I don't have enough goots to just go
up to somebody and just tell them to leave us
the f alone, like seriously.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, especially because we were there with Emma, and I'm like,
we haven't hang out with her before, and I don't
want to come across as being a massive bitch that's
getting annoyed by this person coming over a billion times.
But eventually it was so much that we all kind
of looked at each other and we were like, this
is ridiculous, right, yeah, all right, let's get into OJ though. So,
thirty years after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and
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Ron Goldman, the OJ estate has finally agreed to pay
Ron Goldman's father fifty eight million dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, I mean, you know what's crazy. A lot of
things as you get older, you hear about how long
ago things happened, and then you're just like, holy shit,
I'm really old, and I just can't even believe the
OJ Simpson thing was almost thirty years ago. And on
top of that, though, I feel like I've known Fred
Goldman my like my whole life. He's been fighting for
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his son and just and going through all of this stuff.
So it does make me happy that before he dies
that he might get some justice in this case, although
the money is not really going to ever help, but
it's just more of a principal thing at this point.
So of course everyone is now online saying comparing this
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to the Karen Read case, of course, because as we know,
she was also acquitted and her family now currently has
a civil lawsuit in a similar fashion towards her for
the death of their son, John O'Keeffe. It's a I
(04:07):
guess it's a little bit and towards the bars that
he was at too. So wait, why don't you just
briefly just say what that case is for people that
might not really remember.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, I will encourage everybody to go back a couple
of months when we did a really big deep dive
into that case, because we got into every single element
of it. But just for people that don't know, I
can't imagine anybody that listens to the show doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We talked, So we had an episode, we talked about
it with a couple different people, Right, we've caught as guests.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, we've covered up with a couple of different guests,
And then we did a full episode devoted to every
detail of the case. Wasn't that episode like almost two
hours long?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's so long. And there's also a post two posts
actually in the gross room going by step by step
and showing photographs of what this would have looked like
at autopsy and why we think it was this, and
why we think it was that. So there's a lot
of information if you guys are interested, but just like
a brief yeah, but just basic highlights is this woman
and her boyfriend were out with their friends. That was
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snowing outside, and then they were gonna go back to
one of the boyfriend's friends homes. They drove there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Karen Reid's claiming she dropped the boyfriend off at the house.
The friends are claiming he never came in the house,
and then all of a sudden, the next morning he's
found dead. So she ended up going on trial because
the friends were saying she admitted to hitting him. There
is inconsistent findings at autopsy that didn't suggest he got
hit by a car. It actually looked like he maybe
got attacked by an animal. The family inside the house
(05:38):
had a dog. They suspiciously got rid of the dog
right after he died. I mean, there's a million details,
but she ended up having two trials. The first one
was a mistrial, and then the second one she was acquitted.
So now his family is going after her in a
civil lawsuit, which is very similar to the OJ case
because OJ famously was acquitted in the criminal trial, but
he was found guilty in the civil wrongful death suit.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So John O'Keefe's family is doing a civil suit against
Karen Reid, but also against the two bars that they
were two bars that they were drinking at or something
that night before this incident happened. I kind of even
though I personally I don't know how I feel. I
don't think i've ever said that I think that she's innocent,
(06:24):
but I just think that the investigation was so botched
that you definitely can't say that she was guilty of anything. Furthermore,
I just don't trust anything that was happening with the
investigators whatsoever, and it's just all kind of shady to me.
So but from a parent's perspective of your child being
the victim of this happening, I do think that they
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possibly have a case because even though she was found
to be not guilty, the only reason that he was
in that situation is because she knowingly let him out
of the car drunk and left him there. Correct, So technically,
technically she would be responsible for whatever happened after that.
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Unless they're able to go back and prove that all
of these other people were involved with it, then obviously
she still could possibly get in trouble just because she
kind of left a person that was incapacitated to a
certain extent in a situation where they ended they ended
up dying because of it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
You know what else I feel like I saw in
the news recently too, was the state trooper the most
controversial person in the Karen Ree trial, Michael Proctor, who
I always want to call John Procter after the Salewits
trials or I think the scarletter whatever. He has a
historical name, but I always going to confuse anyway. I
think I read in a headline that when they started
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going through his stuff they found other cases that he botched,
And now I'm wondering if all those people are going
to get out of prison.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I can't even imagine the implications of that, I mean,
any single you know, we talked to a lot of
detectives on this show and just law enforcement that all
are like, what the hell was going on in that case? So,
and it was a legit law enforcement office. It's not
(08:21):
just like they didn't have any kind of experience with
something like this happening. It just was so weird all
of it, from collecting evidence in red solo cups, the
people on that this guy's found dead on a front
lawn and nobody came out to check. It's just it's
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just so outrageous to me. Just like, imagine waking up
in the morning and seeing a bunch of cop cars
outside of your house and they're a dead person laying
on the ground, or a person that just was transported
to the hospital that was found unresponsive on your lawn.
You're not going to go outside and be like, what's
what's going on here? Come on exactly. I mean, we
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can't even get start. They didn't even have You might
be able to say if they had one of these
five acre houses that that the front lawn was was
a road to get to the house. No, it was
just like a normal bourb house there. You could see
their house from the street. It was very close. It
(09:25):
just the whole entire situation was weird. But but yeah,
so but it's the same with Ron Goldman, I guess
or and the Fred Goldman suing O. J. Simpson, because
I guess the civil suit had said that the only
reason that that guy was at the house and was
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in danger. It's actually not even as strong of a
case as Karen Reid, to be honest with you, because.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I mean, I think the jury and the civil suit
clearly saw clear as they that he was guilty, right,
and they were like, he already got off with criminal charges,
So the least he could do is give them some money.
And I don't even think it's about the Goldman's getting money.
I think it's about trying to disturb this person's life
in any way you can, because the money is just
(10:14):
not going to bring your child back.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Well, I just wonder what I mean, if he was
truly acquitted in a core of law of being not guilty,
during this civil trial they decided that he was. I
think it's the same thing we're talking about with the
Karen Reid thing, like the only reason that he was
there was because of OJ Simpson, and therefore it doesn't
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matter if he directly killed him or not. He died
as a result of that kind of or did they
or did they actually say, oh he killed he killed
wrong Goldman. You know what I mean, what.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You're saying doesn't make sense though, because he wasn't like
at that house because of OJ Simpson.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I know that's what he would have.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Had to be convicted for in the civil trial, for
killing him because otherwise he didn't know him.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, I just I just wonder, like, I don't argue
with Karen.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Reid that she knowingly let an intoxicated person out of
her vehicle that then led to his death, right, But
with them, it's like, that's not what happened. I think
Ron Goldman was going to drop off the Cole Brown
Simpson sunglasses and then yeah, they were having a relationship.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But yeah, so, I mean, I don't know the whole
the thing is so weird, and it does suck that.
Another thing that I was thinking that sucks is like,
your son is horrifically murdered in this way almost thirty
years ago, and this guy still is fighting and still
battling with OJ Simpson. It's like his entire identity has
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been the murder of his son his whole life. And
I see the guy just I've known him since he
was a young guy and just seeing getting older on
all the news articles and stuff. It's just really sad
that people have to go through that.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No, it's terrible. And can we talk about the inflation
for a minute, because the Goldmans originally won a settlement
of thirty three million dollars and then Fred Goldman calculated
with interest over time and other fees that today that
was worth one hundred and seventeen million dollars. So that's
what he first went to the estate with and they
were like, absolutely not, your calculations are off. And then
(12:20):
they negotiated down to fifty eight million, which is still
so much unfathomable money. But it's kind of like, thank god,
oh Jay died, because if he didn't, then the estate
wouldn't even have considered giving him this money because OJ
clearly wasn't giving him the money, and so they'd say
they plan to pay him by auctioning off items of
(12:40):
OJ's right, but conveniently a bunch of his memorabilia was
stolen and they're working to get it back. It's such bullshit,
like this guy has gone through this horrific tragedy and
not only are you losing a child, but it's all
over the news. It's arguably the most famous true crime
case ever. It was the biggest deal in the world.
What was it, the first televised court case, right, So
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it's this huge deal and then it's like, now you're
supposed to get this money, and they're trying to screw
you out of getting the money.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It was a really wild time. I was in high
school and I remember them announcing an't it with me? No,
I don't because it was June ninety four the trial
or no, he was dead in June of ninety four,
I think, or the murders occurred in ninety four, so
the trial would have been in ninety five. Yeah, I remember.
I was. I'm just like no, because I know I
(13:29):
was at that high school after I had you. It
just was it was just really weird because they announced
it over the loud speaker and just think, imagine no,
it's it's so weird. Like I guess they figured that
nobody in school or including teachers could focus because it
was towards the end of the day when they announced
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it over the loud speaker. But it's just it's just
such a weird thing to think about my kids being
in school right now. And then going over the loud
speaker and just being like just to let you know,
Karen Reid is not guilty, and like people in the
school screaming, like hearing it through the other classrooms and stuff.
It just was a very weird time. All right, Let's
(14:14):
we're talking about OJ too much, and it's some of
these old true crime cases. I'm just kind of like, Okay,
can we talk about something else, please, that's what.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
We're talking about, though, that was a huge thing. Well,
it's yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And that guy I feel the worst for that particular
family because I mean, not that it doesn't suck obviously
for Nicole Brown Simpson's family too, but it's just like
they they were well aware of like all of that
drama and stuff, and that guy probably had absolutely no
idea what dangers were awaiting him going to the house
(14:51):
that night and just had no clue about the history
of abuse and stuff like that. And he was a
young guy. And the I mean, just like from their families,
it's just it must have just been devastating. Okay, So
this next story is really scary and could happen to anyone.
(15:13):
It's it's just really let's talk.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
About this, So a two year old has died after
a doctor accidentally deleted a decimal point while issuing the
boy a prescription, which led to him receiving ten times
the amount of medication he should have.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So the investigation with this case has has revealed a lot,
because as soon as I read this, I had some
questions for my cousin Al who's a pharmacist, which we'll
see him at the Christmas party soon, if he's listening
right now. I just I had some questions about how
this kid possibly even happened. So this is a regular hospital.
(15:47):
This kid's two years old, and he was a little
bit of a smaller kid for his for his age
and for his size, but not anything super abnormal. He
was in the thirtieth percentile for wheat and size. But
he came into the hospital because he had a virus
and had really low potassium, so that could happen from
(16:09):
diarrhea and vomiting and stuff like that. That's all fairly
normal stuff. And the kid goes into the hospital. He
was actually transferred to another hospital because they wanted to
be able to take care of him better at this
other hospital, and the doctor gave him an IV of
potassium to increase it. And I guess they did the
(16:30):
levels the next day and it didn't really rise that
much more, so he decided to add more. And so
the very first day when he gave the potassium, it
was at one point five millimals, right. And the second
day he was supposed to get a little bit of
(16:51):
a boost and instead it was ordered fifteen instead of
one point five in the computer. Right, So my first
question is, like, listen, every single person listening to this
show right now types on the computer all the time
and hits the wrong button by accident. So that's a
total normal human error. And when that gets sent to
(17:15):
the pharmacy, and like I said, I have to talk
to my cousin to see exactly what the protocol is,
but there should definitely be a protocol in place that
the pharmacist there's some kind of a flag somewhere that
says this is going to a two year old kid
and this would kill a kid, and to call the
doctor and be like, are you sure this is what
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you meant to put in?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, this is exactly what this lawsuit is claiming that
the family filed it said quote despite a red flag
burning in the hospital's pharmacy system that alerted them to
the excessive dosages, they still issued it anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So that's the thing, like they they shouldn't even be
able to bypass that bigcause this dosage in a child
that's two years old, especially this kid was only thirty pounds.
It's deadly. So the fact that you could even override it,
it's just like something. There's just been multiple failures with
(18:16):
this case. So this kid ends up getting two infusions
of this ten times higher dosage than he should have had.
And of course, so now he came in with low potassium.
Now his potassium is too high, and it's when you
have too high of potassium it could cause a fatal
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heart rhythmias irregular heartbeat. So then the kid's heart stops,
he goes into cardiac arrest, they call a code blue.
Then the kid gets failed again because they come in
and they can't intubate the kid for twenty minutes. So
for twenty whole minutes, this kid's heart is not beating
and his organs and brain are not getting oxygen. So
even though they were able to get his heart started again,
(18:58):
the damage was already done. It was too late. He
wasn't getting oxygen in his brain, he wasn't getting oxygen
to his organs, so they were able to keep them
alive on a ventilator, but essentially he was he was
already dead. There was there was nothing they could do
to bring his brain activity and brain function back, So
not only did the mom have to deal with that,
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but then she had to slowly watch her son die
in the hospital before he finally died. So it's just
like failure with the doctor typing it in wrong, failure
with the pharmacy, failure to intubate him properly, and all
of these things. And she's only trying to sue them
for fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's I was just gonna say, I doubt that even
covers his medical bills for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
In the hospital. Now they need, they need to get
like a heavy duty hefty I really hope that some
lawyer comes across this case and reaches out to this
mother and and tries to talk sense into her, because
the only way that they're going to do a major
overhaul of procedures at that place is to get hit
(20:02):
heavy with a lawsuit of a lot of money, at
which she one hundred percent deserves.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Fifty thousand dollars is nothing to the hospital system. Actually,
friend of the show, Amy Lockran posted a great graphic
on Instagram this morning where I believe it said a
saline bag costs two dollars to manufacture and a hospital
charge is seven hundred dollars for one. Yeah, so think
about all the money.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And I've actually talked about this with Amy too, because
it's the same exact shit in the lab and everything else.
And I've told you guys the story about like us
needing a refrigerator, a mini refrigerator to whole blood. Like,
go on Amazon right now and find a mini refrigerator
that could that is capable of holding a refrigerator temperature.
You could probably find one for twenty bucks, right, one
(20:48):
of those ones that kids use for their facials and stuff. Yeah,
and like no, you have to order one from fish
or Scientific and it's six hundred dollars like the whole
And that could be said about I mean, Amy's a nurse, right,
that's everything on her floor. I was talking with it
from Kara and she's also a nurse. She also said
(21:09):
the same exact thing working on the floor, and then
us in the lab, we could go through us having
to order anything. Even when we order like post its
and stuff for the lab, just like office supplies, we
have to order them through this like Staples, you know,
through the hospital. And it's just like nobody would ever
(21:30):
pay that much money for office supplies, like you could
just get everything cheaper everywhere else. So all those costs
get put onto the patients, and then it gets to
the insurance, and then we get higher insurance rates and
all that stuff. So it's just the whole entire system
is so messed up. But I feel so terrible for
this mom. I mean, her kid didn't have to die.
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He went in with a virus because he was throwing
up and vomiting too much, like, and didn't die as
a result of that. He was poisoned. Like that's why
he died.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And obviously it's negligence on behalf of the doctor. But
to the point you're making, everybody makes typos, and that's
why these systems have to be in place, because we
can't rely on technology. It's not perfect and we're not
perfect at using it. All Right, let's move on to
drunk drivers. Some of my uh I despise drunk driving
more than anything in the world. It just I have
(22:27):
no tolerance for it. So a couple of weeks ago,
this guy was driving on the highway and crashed into
another car, and when police got there, he told them
he crashed because he was peeing into a Budweiser can.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So I said that in the beginning of the show, like,
is this a common thing? I would I don't know,
Like I don't have a penis and aim like that,
but I would just think that peeing into a can
with the hole that size is just gonna not turn
out well for anybody, you.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Know, And can't you risk like cutting your day dry,
like go near that?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I mean, obviously, red flag number one is you shouldn't
even have an open alcoholic beverage can in your car, right,
So it's like it a bit that's like next.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Level drunk driving when you're when you're actually drinking while
you're driving. So of course this guy gets out of
the car. He's slurring his speech. He can't. He doesn't
even want to attempt a walk because he can't. He
tells officers like, don't touch the beer can because it's
full of p and he's got pee all over the
front of his pants, and sure enough, like, oh guess what,
(23:30):
this guy's got four prior driving while under the influence.
His license is suspended, so now he's driving illegally and
he was on Interstate ninety and it's just like it's
so scary because as like we take road trips all
the time out of state, and it's like you're just
driving along, people are delivering things, truck drivers, locals, and
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you have to deal with like some loser like this
that's driving around drinking drunk.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Like this, like he said, he said he only had
one beer. He's out of control, Like really, yeah, seriously,
because one of his four DUI convictions was earlier this year,
and then he had one in nineteen ninety four, nineteen
ninety five, in two thousand and seven. So if he
has four convictions, he should be in prison for a
(24:18):
very long time, first of all, and they suspended his license,
it's not just taken away completely. That's ridiculous. And if
he has four convictions, that probably means he has drunk
drove hundreds of times. Don't they say that you drunk
drive like eighty times before you're caught once.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yes, if the statistics are I mean, like listen to
these statistics too. So according to Mothers Against Drunk Driving,
drunk driving deaths, we're not talking about the hundreds of
thousands of people who are injured in car accidents. Just
deaths represent thirty percent of traffic fatalities. So that's that's
(24:58):
really significant. I mean, think about the number of people
that wouldn't die a year as if it was not
a result of drinking and driving. Right, it's not taken
anywhere near as seriously as it should be because, as
you said, if he was pulled over and caught four times,
that means that this guy drinks and drives like every
(25:20):
day of his life essentially probably, And it's just like,
like I was thinking about that, and I know that
especially mothers against drunk driving they have they're like fighting
every day for it to get you know, certain devices
put in cars that the cars can't start. But the
thing is is that this guy doesn't have a driver's license,
(25:41):
but he's still it doesn't matter, he still could drive
because that little piece of paper in your wallet or
that little card in your wallet isn't isn't going to
stop you from driving or not. And even if he
had one of those devices on his car, he could
have used his girlfriend's car or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So
it's it's kind of impossible to stop, except, like you
were saying, to actually put people in jail for it,
(26:03):
and maybe, but I mean, like, I don't know that
that really works though, because it's the same thing with
like you, if you want to consider alcoholism an addiction,
people who are on drugs, you if you take them
and put them in jail and give them the harshest penalties,
it doesn't stop them from doing drugs.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Like so what, he just gets to keep doing it
until someone's murdered.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the way it is right now.
You just have to like leave and hope that you're
not next. Well that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So they said his breath concentration was more than three
times a legal limit, despite him saying he.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Only had one beer while driving, but especially especially an alcoholic,
that's outrageous the amount of alcohol that he had that,
you know what I mean? But yeah, he I mean, whatever,
what are you going to say? It's just it's just
like it we could talk about this every day, like
someone sure, someone is killed every single day, multiple times
(26:59):
a day from a drunk driver. And the worst part
is is it's not usually the drunk driver. It's just
some innocent person strolling along that is the victim of it.
And it's just I mean, I really don't know what
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Speaker 2 (28:37):
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Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right, So talking about Amy Lochrin, she had sent
us a comment on this next story that we're going
to talk about. So let's talk about the story and
then we'll tell you guys Amy's comment on this.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So we've talked about this syndrome before, called you you
were extra flair with it. You were like alpha girl.
But because that's how the kids would say it. But
is it alpha girl or alpha gal gal? Okay, because
I was really confused for a second. So basically, a
forty seven year old man is the first known person
to have died from alpha gal syndrome. So, just to
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give a clearer picture of the story, last September, this
guy was at a barbecue. He ate a hamburger and
started feeling sick a couple hours later, but his family
said he was okay enough later in the day to
mow the lawn and read a newspaper. But after seven
thirty pm that night, his son found him unconscious with
vomit all over the place, and he ended up being
pronounced dead. So for a while his death appeared to
be this mystery, but then they also learned from the
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family that two weeks before this, he had a similar
allergic reaction while eating a steak. Well, I guess at
the time they didn't know was an allergic reaction, but
he got really sick after eating a steak while camping
with his family. So after that, this guy's daughter was
in a ballet class and his wife began talking to
another mom there who happened to be a pediatrician, and
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she thought this was we that the husband had two
reactions to stake like this put them up there, put
the wife of the guy that died in touch with
an allergist, and they connected it to this alpha gal syndrome.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, it's actually it's really interesting. It's nothing that I
heard about up until recently, within the past couple of years,
and now it's it's all over the place and coming out,
and I am curious as to why, all of a
sudden this is a thing and it wasn't a thing
even a couple of years ago. So first let's talk
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about it. There's in most mammals, they have a sugar
in their blood that's called alpha gal. And what happens
is a tick could feed off of one of these
animals and then bite a human. And when the tick
bites a human, the saliva goes into the human and
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it contains these alpha gal molecules, right, and these this
can cause your body. Whenever your body's exposed to some
thing like that. This is kind of like the theory
of a vaccine. Your body builds up antibodies to it
because it recognizes it as far, and so then it
means the next time that it sees that it's going
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to try to it's going to react to it. Right,
So you get this tick bite and you get alpha
gel in your body, and your body has a reaction
to it and you don't even know it. Then all
of a sudden, if you have an allergy to it,
you eat red meat, and then your body really freaks
out because you have this allergy to it because it
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already recognizes it because it's seen it before from the
tick bite. So all of the cases that we've reported
on mother nos death so far have just been a
person having difficulty breathing hives. There's all different kinds of
presentations diarrhea, but we've never reported an actual death from it,
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and this appears to be the first reported death of it.
So it makes you think, Okay, have people died from
this before and had these mysterious desks that we didn't
know what it was, and now all of a sudden,
it's like, oh my god, people have been dying from
years from this or what else is taken into consideration.
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So one of the theories is that these white tailed
deers are one of the hosts of the tick here.
So obviously, any person that lives, especially where we live,
anybody will tell you that there's been a way big
increase of deer from when I was a kid anyway.
I mean you just see them all over the place
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in people's backyards and stuff now and it's just lone
star ticks, right, It's not all ticks, ya, So it's
lone star ticks. So I mean, that could possibly be
the thing. I guess. The wife had said that he
did not have a tick bite that she knew of,
but they were on vacation at some point, and what
he thought he was getting all of these little weird
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ankle bites that were from chiggers. That's what thought it was.
And the researchers are thinking that maybe it was the
larva of these dear, these lone star ticks that were
actually biting on him. So, I mean, and a lot
of people just don't know if they get a tick bite,
so it is scary. One of the things that's really
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interesting about this alpha gl is that the CDC did
a study or a survey in twenty twenty three, and
forty two percent of doctors said they never heard of it,
and only thirty five percent of doctors said that they
would even know to recognize it or test for it.
I don't know. I don't know if I talked about
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this before when we talked about this story, but about
within the past year, I went out to dinner with
neighbors of ours and I ate. I was sitting at
the table, and it was the weirdest thing. I was
feeling perfectly fine that they sat at the table, I
ate steak, and I ended up throwing up by the time,
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like in the bathroom. By the time we left the restaurant,
it was like the weirdest thing ever. I went home,
I was fine, I've eaten meat since then, fine, But
I so happened to have a doctor's appointment like a
week later, and he's like, how you feeling? And I
was like, oh, I feel good, But do you want
to hear something really weird that happened to me because
it was it was just too fast to have any
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kind of food poisoning or it just was it was
just so fast and all I had was steaked. There
was nothing else. So he said, huh, I wonder if
you have this this alpha gel thing. And I was like,
what is that. I never even heard of it. So
my doctor knew about it, and he's like, yeah, it's
this this it's really going around right now that there's
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there might be this allergy to red meat and all
this stuff. So anyway, I guess now they're saying, if
you ever eat red meat and ever have any kind
of reaction like hibes or difficulty breathing or anything, just
number one, pay attention to it because it's real. And
number two, you can go to your doctor and you
could get antibody testing to see if you've been exposed
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to this alpha gal. So when they're doing a regular autopsy,
like after this guy died, they they wouldn't easily be
able to detect that he had a reaction like that,
it's a specialize. They saw that he had increased his
blood work did show that he was having some kind
of an allergic reaction. They just didn't know what it
was to, and they wouldn't they wouldn't routinely just order
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for the alpha gal unless it was requested, because I mean,
think about the weird stuff people are allergic to, not
vague strawberry like, you can't test for everything under the sun.
So they didn't know specifically what it was. It just
so happens that this pediatrician was her daughter was in
the class with his daughter, and the wife got talking
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to her, and that's how it just was like a
blessing in disguise kind of a thing, but which thank
god that kind of happened, because number one, it's it's
it's you know, public service announcement. But number two, the
family can get some answers because they might not have
ever gotten answers unfortunately in a case like this, And
imagine just having your spouse kind of die that was
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perfectly healthy and not really understanding what happened, because that
would make me scared that my kids might have something too,
you know, and and listen, like if they were all
vacationing together and he got bit by these ticks. There's
certainly a possibility that the children and and she did
as well. That's so and all it is. It's a
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blood test that you could find out. It's just it's
just like really interesting when something like this happens, because
obviously humans have been eating meat forever, So like what
why now? Right? Like what is it now? I don't know,
It's just it's just like really really interesting, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
So this is what Amy said. My daughter Alex has
this and after she was bitten multiple times by a
loan star tick and had an anaphylactic reaction to a steak,
now she can't even go near dairy or mammal meat.
She's super sensitive to it. Even has to separate her
pans in the house now or she gets hives when
she uses one after cooking steak or burgers for her family. Interestingly,
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my other daughter Maya has lime disease and could barely
get out of bed for a year when she was
a teenager. It's not very well known that this lone
star tick can kill you.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, it's cool, And I mean, Amy, I hope your
daughter has an appy pen that she carries with her
because that is what you have to use if you
have a reaction. That's that bad.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well I asked her if there's any treatment or cure,
and she said no. So that's even scarier to think
about people having to deal with this. And I mean,
how could you totally avoid red meat or anything like
people even just use beef broth in regular colors.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well you can, I meet big and people do it
all the time. Well, yeah, I guess you would just
have to use you are vegetarian, yeah, I mean without
dairy though, like because you can get it, they said,
especially like high fat dairy like milkshakes and ice cream.
You can set it off too, So you just have
to live like a pretty strict You don't have to
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necessarily be vegetarian even because this protein is not it's
in mammals, but it's not in chickens and turkey and fish,
So you could eat meat if you if you want to.
You're not going to get sick from eating that kind
of meat. It's just more like animal products. And I
mean it could even be in gelatine, so marshmallow, like
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it's just what I'm saying. Yeah, you just like so hard.
You just have to be like the same thing that
people do with an allergy or something. You just have
to be careful what you eat. Same with ciliac or anything.
You just have to be careful, and you just can't
easily go out to dinner like you once could. But
I think the biggest key is really pin pointing and
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getting the blood work done to say that, ye, you
do have antibodies to this, and yes you're having a reaction.
God's so terrible, all right.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
This forty one year old man with severe mental disabilities
was living in a group home and for some of
his issues, he took medication that caused severe constipation. So
I guess he had been complaining about the constipation and
an abdominal pain to the staff there. Nobody took him
seriously and then he ended up dying.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And what did they find? Okay, So they did an
autopsy and they diagnosed him with something called attention pneumo peritoneum,
which is just an excessive amount of gas build up.
Not what you would think of gas, like when you
have to fart in stuff. It's gas around the organs.
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And the reason that that could kill a person is
because if gas accumulates underneath the skin around the organs.
It could compress some of the organs, and it could
push the diaphragm up so far that it could cause
difficulty that the heart has a difficult time beating. It
could get it doesn't put blood out as fast as
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it should be doing because of so much air pushing
up on it, and the blood's not returning back to
the heart quick enough. Right. So the reason that this happened,
they think, is because he had so much poop inside
of his intestines that it tore it put like micro
tears inside of his bowl and air. And you know
(40:29):
when you have poop inside of your bells, those bacteria
are constantly putting off gases and that's why you fart. Right. Well,
if you have a big turd that's inside of your colon,
that gas can't get through, so it builds up inside
the bell. But if there's tears in the bow, that
gas leaks out and that's how it gets into the
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abdominal cavity. Typically at autopsy, when we see poop, we
might just mention what it looks like. Was it watery,
was it bloody? Was it did it appear to be constipated?
But in this case, at the autopsy, they actually weighed
the poop, and poop doesn't have a normal weight, and
normally when organs or things don't have a normal weight, like,
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what's the point of measuring them? Because they could be this,
they could be that. But there's never a situation where
someone should have anywhere near twenty pounds of impacted feces
inside of their bell. This guy, you know, after investigation,
he wasn't going to the bathroom for months, And I
guess the really messed up part of it was that
he was mentally ill. He was on medications that caused constipation,
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and the center he was living at had no kinds
of checks to make sure that the patients were going
to the bathroom every day.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I mean, the family sewing the place. And I one
hundred percent could get behind this because if he was
being vocal about having issues and they were just blowing
him off, weren't they didn't they say too he had
a giant bruise on his abdomen. Yeah, he had a
giant bruise across his abdomen, and he had all signs
that he was dealing with severe constipation. And the thing
is is that this he was very young, right in
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his early forties.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, this so attention. Numo peritoneum is considered a medical emergency.
But if you go get surgery and also just handle
this impaction, like he didn't have to die from this,
and this took a long time for this to happen.
You don't think about all of the food you eat
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every single day and stuff and putting it together and
making it weigh twenty pounds, and that's after all the
fluids removed from it, all the nutrients are removed from it.
It's chewed up like that's just like a lot of poop,
a lot of food that wasn't getting through elsive. It
is And if you're trusting that your child or your
loved one is at a home that's taking care of
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them because they're so mentally ill that they can't live
by themselves, then this is their fault. Is just terrible.
I can't it's so unaccepted. It's just and it's sad too,
because like I'm sure everyone listening right now has dealt
with constipation at some point in their life. It's terrible.
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It is absolutely terrible. And he was complaining so much
about abdominal pain to so many people for such a
long time, and like they were trying to get him
to sit on the toilet, Like how uneducated are these
people that are taking care of these people? Like, when
you have that much poop stuck in your stomach, you
can't just sit on the toilet and push it out.
There has to be lots of interventions of mir relax
(43:36):
and laxatives and possible surgical intervention and animals and things
like that. You can't just be like, oh, sit down
and try to poop. Well.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, and apparently they're claiming that they never alerted his
physician either, so nobody was even going to be looking
at this and they were clearly not trained enough to
be dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Last story, This woman was five months pregnant and ended
up developing a life threatening infection which required surgery to
remove her fetus, who did not survive. So a couple
weeks ago, she picked up her son's ashes and stopped
Ataria on the way home, leaving the urn inside of
the car. So she comes back to the car after
an hour and finds the box the urn was in
is ripped open and the urn is nowhere to be found.
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Who steals ashes from a car.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, unfortunately, it's because someone thought that the urn was
worth money, and they're just they don't care. They just
don't kept at that point.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
I'm not saying this is right, but at that point
you can't like dump them into the box, so.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
She at least has her child. If you're gonna steal
the vessels, I don't think people care. They just don't care.
The worst part of this story is that she said
two people in their early twenties were eyeing her down,
and then when she went in the store and they
reviewed the security, they are the ones that did it.
So you did it, and then you're gonna stare her down,
like can this lady have one second of peace? She
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had lost her kid. It's sad because she was she
was pregnant and she had to be forced to have
an elective termination because of some infection that she had.
They didn't really elaborate on that, but she she had
to get this procedure done and went through the extra
lengths that many people I know from experience working in
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pathology don't go through, which is having the funeral home
come to the hospital and pick up the fetal remains
and cremate them. It's not commonly done in relation to
how many times procedures like that are done, and which
means to me that she really wanted this child and
she couldn't because of medical reasons, and she wanted a
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proper burial, and like that's a lot. That's a huge
decision for a woman to even have to make, to
begin with, going through that heartache, and then on top
of that, trying to keep the remains with you, and
then some scumbag decides to break into your car and
steal it. It's just so it's so cruel, and I
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hope by getting the story out that somebody would hear
it and just be like just return pour it into
a bag and just leave it at a police station
or something. I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
That's what I'm saying, Like obviously they're pieces of shit
and they don't care. But I'm like you, it's clear
as day it's an urn. It's not a freaking vase, right,
like you know what's inside of it.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
So you couldn't even have left it.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Not that that would have been that would have been
so incredibly fucked up and disrespectful too, if that if
they dumped it out in the box. But like This
lady doesn't care about the value of the vessel. She
just wants her son's remains. It's so terrible.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I didn't we talk about a story that a mom
had the remains stolen out of her car too before? Probably,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Know, I can't remember anything we talked about just last week,
you know what, something like trigger when I when I
was reading this, I was like, oh, we covered this
story a while ago.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
And then when I read it, I was like, no,
this is a new story. It had something to do
with like, oh, it wasn't the car it was didn't
the mom have wasn't she like sending the sun via
ups the ashes and she didn't declare that they were
was it ups or the postal service whatever didn't declare
it was ashes and the package got lost or something
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like that.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
And yeah, like we've had stories like that. We had
that one of that guy that was on an airplane
and the ashes got opened in his luggage by accident.
We had the kids that ate the ashes. We've had
people that have vacuumed them up. But there is a
special place in hell for people that break into a
person's car and steals ashes of their loved ones. Just
to get what ten dollars for the earn.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
It's disgusting, all right. Let's move on to questions and emails.
So if you guys have any questions or comments or
stories you want to share with us, please share them
at stories at mothernosdeath dot com. So we already read Amy's,
so let's get onto Gen's. Says I'm the ct tech
that previously emailed you about the portable X ray machine.
You probably don't remember, but I met you at dark
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Side and mentioned my son as a pilot in response
to your question about what happens when an aircraft seat
gets soiled. If the plane has a quick turnaround, they'll
be delayed, but only for a short time, during which
they will make an announcement that typically would be something
like we need to change a light fixture on the plane.
The entire seat cover comes off like a slipcover and
is replaced with a clean one. Well, that's good to know,
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and other affected areas floor walls get cleaned and disinfected.
They have maintenance staff to assist a flight attend attendant
to work incredibly fast. Before I sign off, I just
have to tell you guys that I bust out laughing
every time I hear Maria say, ew, you guys are
amazing and I love your show. Thank you, Jen, thank
you for this information.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
And of course we remember you. Yes, we love you
so oh my god, yeah, thank you. I figured that
it could have been something like that. I just was thinking,
like a slipcover, right, is is like a cushion underneath
that the poop would just seep through. But maybe they're
kind of waterproof, like ae those waterproof like mattress protectors
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you could put on. Yeah, maybe it's like something like that.
But I love that you said that they're like, oh,
we have to change a light bulb like So, next
time I ever hear that they're doing some maintenance like that,
then you're gonna be like, Okay, who took a shit
on the seat that I'm about to go sit in? Though?
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Seriously, and just you just have to hope it's not yours?
All right, last somebody asked my hot take on the
Blake Lively just about Dody situation.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I don't really have a hot take.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think they're both incredibly annoying people, and I honestly
want this to go away.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I'm tired of hearing about it, I have a hot take.
I just can't stand her. I can't stand either. I
can't stand that whole like that whole crew of people.
They're just annoying. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
He had a podcast about male feminism. Uh no, thank you,
and then she is what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
He's a male feminist, don't you know?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
But then he got used to sexually assaulting somebody or
sexually harassing somebody. It's a man that stands up for
women's rights.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's such bullshit.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's like, I don't know, it's so it's such fraudulent
behavior to like act like you're this higher than now
or higher than everybody else, like this great man that
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
That's how every celebrity is.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, not every but most so disgusting. And then she
is like the devil. There's been rumors about her, that
she's been terrible forever. And then when you hear about
everything that happened on that dumb movie about a dumb book,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
That author is not good. It's not good. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
But she, you know, was trying to take over the script.
You're trying to have her dragons or whatever. Get involved
and have her friends write songs. And then I think
I just heard that they fired the costume designer and
she was bringing her own clothes from home, which that
movie has the worst costume design I've ever seen in
my life. She looks so terrible, totally unflattering. And then
I read that she wanted to get paid as the
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costume designer to so you put somebody out of a
job and totally ruined a movie that could have been
esthetically nice. It's unbelievable. The privileges people have is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
I don't know, the whole thing is like it just
seems like a conjured up nothing, and I guess a
lot of people are talking about them. MOVI. Did that
movie like actually make any money?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Or the movie did actually make I mean, the book
is extremely popular, so the movie I is the book terrible.
I just don't like the way that author writes. I've
tried to read her books before, and you know, I've
almost read a hundred books this year.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I've bet eighty nine books this year so far. And
if I get and some of them are truly terrible,
But if I can't even get past like ten to
twenty percent of a book. I can't focus on the writing,
and that's bad. Think about that. And I can read
almost anything. Just try to read a couple of her
book and it's just not for me. But I think
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the message of showing domestic violence and everything, it was
cool that somebody tried to like bring that to light
and try to like get awareness for it and everything.
But I think the movie got lost. I think that
message got lost with all this drama behind that movie.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Just based upon like I'm just talking shit right now,
based upon what I've heard. My personal opinion is that
she was filming that movie and like started having a
crush on that guy totally, and like he rejected her
(52:40):
in some way or something, and then she did all
this shit to be retaliatory. That's that's my personal like
just from life experience. That's what seemed like it happened.
And some of the texts that during their text exchange,
because remember they got released, I just felt like it
(53:01):
was her trying to like test the waters to see
if he would reciprocate like like a little bit more
than a friendship. Well yeah, and I mean I think
she's married to an incredibly powerful person. She that guy sucks.
He sucks too.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I mean, you know, with all this drama coming out,
I really I never really liked him that much, but
I really like he sks me out when I see
his face now.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
And one of my favorite Christmas movies ever is Just.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Friends, and I don't know if I could watch it
anymore because I seriously can't stand his face, like don't
want to hear his voice.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Well, I know it sucks too because I used to
one of my movies when I was younger that I
thought was like a really funny movie is Waiting. Oh yeah,
Like I think that movie was like really funny. But
now I'm just kind of like, eh, you know it.
It like now that he's a rock star and stuff,
it's just like turn off listen. Honestly, Like I've been
(53:58):
saying this, I feel like I said it on Gandhi
Show and I'll say it here, Like there was so
much mystery to these fabulous lives that movie stars used
to live and we didn't know too many details, and
I just feel like it should stay that way. Once
they start showing their personality and opening their mouth and stuff,
you're kind of like yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
No, yeah, I mean I even just found out. I
thank you Kim Morgan again for recommending that book about
Charles Manson called Chaos. I recommend everybody reads it. I
just finished it. But in that book, I just found
out that Charles Manson was staying with Brian Wilson from
The Beach Boys. And now I'm like, well, now I
have a new perspective on him when I knew nothing
about him before.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Now I feel like I knew that before. There was
some connection there. I feel like I heard.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
I don't want to know what these freaks do in
their personal life. I just want to watch movies and
enjoy the art. I don't want to know anything about
them anymore. I'm over it.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
But the more that comes out about celebrities and like
what's going between the Diddy thing and the Epstein thing
and stuff, You're just like, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's the question we always pose, how do people live?
It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
It's just like the parties are going to and the
people they're affiliating with and stuff. It's just like it's
just I don't know, you're on this plane, you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Like what, I don't know what happens in these people's lives.
I can't fathom being on their level. So maybe when
you get up there, it's like some scientology, you unlocks
the lord's he new and then you understand all of
a sudden, But I don't know, are what are these
people doing? And I'm tired of hearing about their lives.
I wish they would go away, honestly, all of them.
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episode every week that's exclusive for Gross Room members. On
today's episode, we're going to talk about Fred Goldman receiving
payment from OJ Simpson's estate almost thirty years after his
son was killed. A lot of people online are comparing
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that to a more recent case that we have talked
about a lot on this show, So we'll get into
a discussion about that. A terrible case of medical malpractice
in a hospital left a child dead, a drunk driver
who crashed doing something unusual or maybe it's usual in
drunk drivers, I don't know. Then we're going to get
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into something we've already talked about on this show, which
involves a deadly allergic reaction to meet We'll wrap things
up with a case of a man who was living
in a home and died of a result of severe
constipation and a woman who had her son's ashes stolen
from her car. Then your comments and questions. All that
and more On today's episode, let's talk about oj Simpson.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, first, I'll say sorry if our voices are in
and out. It is Postnaeseled Drip season in the can
and Jemmy Household.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It has been brutal.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Also, thank you to everybody who entered the giveaway the
last two weeks. We have emailed all of the winners.
And congratulations to Katie, who is going to be going
to dinner with us. So I've already talked to her
and she's very excited and I'm very excited to hang
out with her.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And we're gonna have last year's whinter Emma come with
us too, write hopefully if the dates fine up.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So, Emma, we're waiting for you.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And yeah, Katie, you're saying congratulations. She might be like,
I never want to eat with these people again. No,
but we're super You might learn the hard way what
a what an an Jemmy dinner is really like around
this place.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, hopefully this time we don't have the world's worst
waiter that comes over literally one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That was insane. Yeah, I can't stand that shit, man,
we should. I don't have enough goots to just go
up to somebody and just tell them to leave us
the f alone, like seriously.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, especially because we were there with Emma, and I'm like,
we haven't hang out with her before, and I don't
want to come across as being a massive bitch that's
getting annoyed by this person coming over a billion times.
But eventually it was so much that we all kind
of looked at each other and we were like, this
is ridiculous, right, yeah, all right, let's get into OJ though. So,
thirty years after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and
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Ron Goldman, the OJ estate has finally agreed to pay
Ron Goldman's father fifty eight million dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, I mean, you know what's crazy. A lot of
things as you get older, you hear about how long
ago things happened, and then you're just like, holy shit,
I'm really old, and I just can't even believe the
OJ Simpson thing was almost thirty years ago. And on
top of that, though, I feel like I've known Fred
Goldman my like my whole life. He's been fighting for
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his son and just and going through all of this stuff.
So it does make me happy that before he dies
that he might get some justice in this case, although
the money is not really going to ever help, but
it's just more of a principal thing at this point.
So of course everyone is now online saying comparing this
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to the Karen Read case, of course, because as we know,
she was also acquitted and her family now currently has
a civil lawsuit in a similar fashion towards her for
the death of their son, John O'Keeffe. It's a I
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guess it's a little bit and towards the bars that
he was at too. So wait, why don't you just
briefly just say what that case is for people that
might not really remember.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, I will encourage everybody to go back a couple
of months when we did a really big deep dive
into that case, because we got into every single element
of it. But just for people that don't know, I
can't imagine anybody that listens to the show doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We talked, So we had an episode, we talked about
it with a couple different people, Right, we've caught as guests.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, we've covered up with a couple of different guests,
And then we did a full episode devoted to every
detail of the case. Wasn't that episode like almost two
hours long?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's so long. And there's also a post two posts
actually in the gross room going by step by step
and showing photographs of what this would have looked like
at autopsy and why we think it was this, and
why we think it was that. So there's a lot
of information if you guys are interested, but just like
a brief yeah, but just basic highlights is this woman
and her boyfriend were out with their friends. That was
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snowing outside, and then they were gonna go back to
one of the boyfriend's friends homes. They drove there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Karen Reid's claiming she dropped the boyfriend off at the house.
The friends are claiming he never came in the house,
and then all of a sudden, the next morning he's
found dead. So she ended up going on trial because
the friends were saying she admitted to hitting him. There
is inconsistent findings at autopsy that didn't suggest he got
hit by a car. It actually looked like he maybe
got attacked by an animal. The family inside the house
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had a dog. They suspiciously got rid of the dog
right after he died. I mean, there's a million details,
but she ended up having two trials. The first one
was a mistrial, and then the second one she was acquitted.
So now his family is going after her in a
civil lawsuit, which is very similar to the OJ case
because OJ famously was acquitted in the criminal trial, but
he was found guilty in the civil wrongful death suit.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So John O'Keefe's family is doing a civil suit against
Karen Reid, but also against the two bars that they
were two bars that they were drinking at or something
that night before this incident happened. I kind of even
though I personally I don't know how I feel. I
don't think i've ever said that I think that she's innocent,
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but I just think that the investigation was so botched
that you definitely can't say that she was guilty of anything. Furthermore,
I just don't trust anything that was happening with the
investigators whatsoever, and it's just all kind of shady to me.
So but from a parent's perspective of your child being
the victim of this happening, I do think that they
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possibly have a case because even though she was found
to be not guilty, the only reason that he was
in that situation is because she knowingly let him out
of the car drunk and left him there. Correct, So technically,
technically she would be responsible for whatever happened after that.
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Unless they're able to go back and prove that all
of these other people were involved with it, then obviously
she still could possibly get in trouble just because she
kind of left a person that was incapacitated to a
certain extent in a situation where they ended they ended
up dying because of it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
You know what else I feel like I saw in
the news recently too, was the state trooper the most
controversial person in the Karen Ree trial, Michael Proctor, who
I always want to call John Procter after the Salewits
trials or I think the scarletter whatever. He has a
historical name, but I always going to confuse anyway. I
think I read in a headline that when they started
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going through his stuff they found other cases that he botched,
And now I'm wondering if all those people are going
to get out of prison.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I can't even imagine the implications of that, I mean,
any single you know, we talked to a lot of
detectives on this show and just law enforcement that all
are like, what the hell was going on in that case? So,
and it was a legit law enforcement office. It's not
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just like they didn't have any kind of experience with
something like this happening. It just was so weird all
of it, from collecting evidence in red solo cups, the
people on that this guy's found dead on a front
lawn and nobody came out to check. It's just it's
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just so outrageous to me. Just like, imagine waking up
in the morning and seeing a bunch of cop cars
outside of your house and they're a dead person laying
on the ground, or a person that just was transported
to the hospital that was found unresponsive on your lawn.
You're not going to go outside and be like, what's
what's going on here? Come on exactly. I mean, we
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can't even get start. They didn't even have You might
be able to say if they had one of these
five acre houses that that the front lawn was was
a road to get to the house. No, it was
just like a normal bourb house there. You could see
their house from the street. It was very close. It
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just the whole entire situation was weird. But but yeah,
so but it's the same with Ron Goldman, I guess
or and the Fred Goldman suing O. J. Simpson, because
I guess the civil suit had said that the only
reason that that guy was at the house and was
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in danger. It's actually not even as strong of a
case as Karen Reid, to be honest with you, because.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I mean, I think the jury and the civil suit
clearly saw clear as they that he was guilty, right,
and they were like, he already got off with criminal charges,
So the least he could do is give them some money.
And I don't even think it's about the Goldman's getting money.
I think it's about trying to disturb this person's life
in any way you can, because the money is just
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not going to bring your child back.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Well, I just wonder what I mean, if he was
truly acquitted in a core of law of being not guilty,
during this civil trial they decided that he was. I
think it's the same thing we're talking about with the
Karen Reid thing, like the only reason that he was
there was because of OJ Simpson, and therefore it doesn't
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matter if he directly killed him or not. He died
as a result of that kind of or did they
or did they actually say, oh he killed he killed
wrong Goldman. You know what I mean, what.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You're saying doesn't make sense though, because he wasn't like
at that house because of OJ Simpson.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I know that's what he would have.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Had to be convicted for in the civil trial, for
killing him because otherwise he didn't know him.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, I just I just wonder, like, I don't argue
with Karen.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Reid that she knowingly let an intoxicated person out of
her vehicle that then led to his death, right, But
with them, it's like, that's not what happened. I think
Ron Goldman was going to drop off the Cole Brown
Simpson sunglasses and then yeah, they were having a relationship.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But yeah, so, I mean, I don't know the whole
the thing is so weird, and it does suck that.
Another thing that I was thinking that sucks is like,
your son is horrifically murdered in this way almost thirty
years ago, and this guy still is fighting and still
battling with OJ Simpson. It's like his entire identity has
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been the murder of his son his whole life. And
I see the guy just I've known him since he
was a young guy and just seeing getting older on
all the news articles and stuff. It's just really sad
that people have to go through that.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No, it's terrible. And can we talk about the inflation
for a minute, because the Goldmans originally won a settlement
of thirty three million dollars and then Fred Goldman calculated
with interest over time and other fees that today that
was worth one hundred and seventeen million dollars. So that's
what he first went to the estate with and they
were like, absolutely not, your calculations are off. And then
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they negotiated down to fifty eight million, which is still
so much unfathomable money. But it's kind of like, thank god,
oh Jay died, because if he didn't, then the estate
wouldn't even have considered giving him this money because OJ
clearly wasn't giving him the money, and so they'd say
they plan to pay him by auctioning off items of
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OJ's right, but conveniently a bunch of his memorabilia was
stolen and they're working to get it back. It's such bullshit,
like this guy has gone through this horrific tragedy and
not only are you losing a child, but it's all
over the news. It's arguably the most famous true crime
case ever. It was the biggest deal in the world.
What was it, the first televised court case, right, So
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it's this huge deal and then it's like, now you're
supposed to get this money, and they're trying to screw
you out of getting the money.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It was a really wild time. I was in high
school and I remember them announcing an't it with me? No,
I don't because it was June ninety four the trial
or no, he was dead in June of ninety four,
I think, or the murders occurred in ninety four, so
the trial would have been in ninety five. Yeah, I remember.
I was. I'm just like no, because I know I
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was at that high school after I had you. It
just was it was just really weird because they announced
it over the loud speaker and just think, imagine no,
it's it's so weird. Like I guess they figured that
nobody in school or including teachers could focus because it
was towards the end of the day when they announced
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it over the loud speaker. But it's just it's just
such a weird thing to think about my kids being
in school right now. And then going over the loud
speaker and just being like just to let you know,
Karen Reid is not guilty, and like people in the
school screaming, like hearing it through the other classrooms and stuff.
It just was a very weird time. All right, Let's
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we're talking about OJ too much, and it's some of
these old true crime cases. I'm just kind of like, Okay,
can we talk about something else, please, that's what.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
We're talking about, though, that was a huge thing. Well,
it's yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And that guy I feel the worst for that particular
family because I mean, not that it doesn't suck obviously
for Nicole Brown Simpson's family too, but it's just like
they they were well aware of like all of that
drama and stuff, and that guy probably had absolutely no
idea what dangers were awaiting him going to the house
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that night and just had no clue about the history
of abuse and stuff like that. And he was a
young guy. And the I mean, just like from their families,
it's just it must have just been devastating. Okay, So
this next story is really scary and could happen to anyone.
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It's it's just really let's talk.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
About this, So a two year old has died after
a doctor accidentally deleted a decimal point while issuing the
boy a prescription, which led to him receiving ten times
the amount of medication he should have.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So the investigation with this case has has revealed a lot,
because as soon as I read this, I had some
questions for my cousin Al who's a pharmacist, which we'll
see him at the Christmas party soon, if he's listening
right now. I just I had some questions about how
this kid possibly even happened. So this is a regular hospital.
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This kid's two years old, and he was a little
bit of a smaller kid for his for his age
and for his size, but not anything super abnormal. He
was in the thirtieth percentile for wheat and size. But
he came into the hospital because he had a virus
and had really low potassium, so that could happen from
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diarrhea and vomiting and stuff like that. That's all fairly
normal stuff. And the kid goes into the hospital. He
was actually transferred to another hospital because they wanted to
be able to take care of him better at this
other hospital, and the doctor gave him an IV of
potassium to increase it. And I guess they did the
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levels the next day and it didn't really rise that
much more, so he decided to add more. And so
the very first day when he gave the potassium, it
was at one point five millimals, right. And the second
day he was supposed to get a little bit of
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a boost and instead it was ordered fifteen instead of
one point five in the computer. Right, So my first
question is, like, listen, every single person listening to this
show right now types on the computer all the time
and hits the wrong button by accident. So that's a
total normal human error. And when that gets sent to
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the pharmacy, and like I said, I have to talk
to my cousin to see exactly what the protocol is,
but there should definitely be a protocol in place that
the pharmacist there's some kind of a flag somewhere that
says this is going to a two year old kid
and this would kill a kid, and to call the
doctor and be like, are you sure this is what
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you meant to put in?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, this is exactly what this lawsuit is claiming that
the family filed it said quote despite a red flag
burning in the hospital's pharmacy system that alerted them to
the excessive dosages, they still issued it anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So that's the thing, like they they shouldn't even be
able to bypass that bigcause this dosage in a child
that's two years old, especially this kid was only thirty pounds.
It's deadly. So the fact that you could even override it,
it's just like something. There's just been multiple failures with
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this case. So this kid ends up getting two infusions
of this ten times higher dosage than he should have had.
And of course, so now he came in with low potassium.
Now his potassium is too high, and it's when you
have too high of potassium it could cause a fatal
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heart rhythmias irregular heartbeat. So then the kid's heart stops,
he goes into cardiac arrest, they call a code blue.
Then the kid gets failed again because they come in
and they can't intubate the kid for twenty minutes. So
for twenty whole minutes, this kid's heart is not beating
and his organs and brain are not getting oxygen. So
even though they were able to get his heart started again,
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the damage was already done. It was too late. He
wasn't getting oxygen in his brain, he wasn't getting oxygen
to his organs, so they were able to keep them
alive on a ventilator, but essentially he was he was
already dead. There was there was nothing they could do
to bring his brain activity and brain function back, So
not only did the mom have to deal with that,
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but then she had to slowly watch her son die
in the hospital before he finally died. So it's just
like failure with the doctor typing it in wrong, failure
with the pharmacy, failure to intubate him properly, and all
of these things. And she's only trying to sue them
for fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's I was just gonna say, I doubt that even
covers his medical bills for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
In the hospital. Now they need, they need to get
like a heavy duty hefty I really hope that some
lawyer comes across this case and reaches out to this
mother and and tries to talk sense into her, because
the only way that they're going to do a major
overhaul of procedures at that place is to get hit
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heavy with a lawsuit of a lot of money, at
which she one hundred percent deserves.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Fifty thousand dollars is nothing to the hospital system. Actually,
friend of the show, Amy Lockran posted a great graphic
on Instagram this morning where I believe it said a
saline bag costs two dollars to manufacture and a hospital
charge is seven hundred dollars for one. Yeah, so think
about all the money.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And I've actually talked about this with Amy too, because
it's the same exact shit in the lab and everything else.
And I've told you guys the story about like us
needing a refrigerator, a mini refrigerator to whole blood. Like,
go on Amazon right now and find a mini refrigerator
that could that is capable of holding a refrigerator temperature.
You could probably find one for twenty bucks, right, one
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of those ones that kids use for their facials and stuff. Yeah,
and like no, you have to order one from fish
or Scientific and it's six hundred dollars like the whole
And that could be said about I mean, Amy's a nurse, right,
that's everything on her floor. I was talking with it
from Kara and she's also a nurse. She also said
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the same exact thing working on the floor, and then
us in the lab, we could go through us having
to order anything. Even when we order like post its
and stuff for the lab, just like office supplies, we
have to order them through this like Staples, you know,
through the hospital. And it's just like nobody would ever
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pay that much money for office supplies, like you could
just get everything cheaper everywhere else. So all those costs
get put onto the patients, and then it gets to
the insurance, and then we get higher insurance rates and
all that stuff. So it's just the whole entire system
is so messed up. But I feel so terrible for
this mom. I mean, her kid didn't have to die.
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He went in with a virus because he was throwing
up and vomiting too much, like, and didn't die as
a result of that. He was poisoned. Like that's why
he died.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And obviously it's negligence on behalf of the doctor. But
to the point you're making, everybody makes typos, and that's
why these systems have to be in place, because we
can't rely on technology. It's not perfect and we're not
perfect at using it. All Right, let's move on to
drunk drivers. Some of my uh I despise drunk driving
more than anything in the world. It just I have
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no tolerance for it. So a couple of weeks ago,
this guy was driving on the highway and crashed into
another car, and when police got there, he told them
he crashed because he was peeing into a Budweiser can.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So I said that in the beginning of the show, like,
is this a common thing? I would I don't know,
Like I don't have a penis and aim like that,
but I would just think that peeing into a can
with the hole that size is just gonna not turn
out well for anybody, you.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Know, And can't you risk like cutting your day dry,
like go near that?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I mean, obviously, red flag number one is you shouldn't
even have an open alcoholic beverage can in your car, right,
So it's like it a bit that's like next.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Level drunk driving when you're when you're actually drinking while
you're driving. So of course this guy gets out of
the car. He's slurring his speech. He can't. He doesn't
even want to attempt a walk because he can't. He
tells officers like, don't touch the beer can because it's
full of p and he's got pee all over the
front of his pants, and sure enough, like, oh guess what,
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this guy's got four prior driving while under the influence.
His license is suspended, so now he's driving illegally and
he was on Interstate ninety and it's just like it's
so scary because as like we take road trips all
the time out of state, and it's like you're just
driving along, people are delivering things, truck drivers, locals, and
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you have to deal with like some loser like this
that's driving around drinking drunk.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Like this, like he said, he said he only had
one beer. He's out of control, Like really, yeah, seriously,
because one of his four DUI convictions was earlier this year,
and then he had one in nineteen ninety four, nineteen
ninety five, in two thousand and seven. So if he
has four convictions, he should be in prison for a
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very long time, first of all, and they suspended his license,
it's not just taken away completely. That's ridiculous. And if
he has four convictions, that probably means he has drunk
drove hundreds of times. Don't they say that you drunk
drive like eighty times before you're caught once.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yes, if the statistics are I mean, like listen to
these statistics too. So according to Mothers Against Drunk Driving,
drunk driving deaths, we're not talking about the hundreds of
thousands of people who are injured in car accidents. Just
deaths represent thirty percent of traffic fatalities. So that's that's
(24:58):
really significant. I mean, think about the number of people
that wouldn't die a year as if it was not
a result of drinking and driving. Right, it's not taken
anywhere near as seriously as it should be because, as
you said, if he was pulled over and caught four times,
that means that this guy drinks and drives like every
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day of his life essentially probably, And it's just like,
like I was thinking about that, and I know that
especially mothers against drunk driving they have they're like fighting
every day for it to get you know, certain devices
put in cars that the cars can't start. But the
thing is is that this guy doesn't have a driver's license,
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but he's still it doesn't matter, he still could drive
because that little piece of paper in your wallet or
that little card in your wallet isn't isn't going to
stop you from driving or not. And even if he
had one of those devices on his car, he could
have used his girlfriend's car or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So
it's it's kind of impossible to stop, except, like you
were saying, to actually put people in jail for it,
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and maybe, but I mean, like, I don't know that
that really works though, because it's the same thing with
like you, if you want to consider alcoholism an addiction,
people who are on drugs, you if you take them
and put them in jail and give them the harshest penalties,
it doesn't stop them from doing drugs.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Like so what, he just gets to keep doing it
until someone's murdered.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the way it is right now.
You just have to like leave and hope that you're
not next. Well that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So they said his breath concentration was more than three
times a legal limit, despite him saying he.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Only had one beer while driving, but especially especially an alcoholic,
that's outrageous the amount of alcohol that he had that,
you know what I mean? But yeah, he I mean, whatever,
what are you going to say? It's just it's just
like it we could talk about this every day, like
someone sure, someone is killed every single day, multiple times
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a day from a drunk driver. And the worst part
is is it's not usually the drunk driver. It's just
some innocent person strolling along that is the victim of it.
And it's just I mean, I really don't know what
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It is a really interesting story again one of the
many we talk about with a person with a strong
history of mental illness and not getting the appropriate treatment.
But also we get into that case about different reasons
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why autopsy reports would be released to the public versus
not specifically state to state. And one of the victims
was pregnant, and we talk about why a person would
get charged with murder in some cases, like if you
remember with the Lacy Peterson homicide, he killed his wife Lacy,
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but also he got charged with homicide of the fetus
as well, and in this particular case, he didn't get charged.
So we go back and forth as to why that
charges apply in some states versus others. And we also
talk about doing an autopsy, a forensic autopsy on pregnant
people and some of the things that you would look
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for in that case. So all that and more in
the gross Room this week.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
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Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right, So talking about Amy Lochrin, she had sent
us a comment on this next story that we're going
to talk about. So let's talk about the story and
then we'll tell you guys Amy's comment on this.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So we've talked about this syndrome before, called you you
were extra flair with it. You were like alpha girl.
But because that's how the kids would say it. But
is it alpha girl or alpha gal gal? Okay, because
I was really confused for a second. So basically, a
forty seven year old man is the first known person
to have died from alpha gal syndrome. So, just to
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give a clearer picture of the story, last September, this
guy was at a barbecue. He ate a hamburger and
started feeling sick a couple hours later, but his family
said he was okay enough later in the day to
mow the lawn and read a newspaper. But after seven
thirty pm that night, his son found him unconscious with
vomit all over the place, and he ended up being
pronounced dead. So for a while his death appeared to
be this mystery, but then they also learned from the
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family that two weeks before this, he had a similar
allergic reaction while eating a steak. Well, I guess at
the time they didn't know was an allergic reaction, but
he got really sick after eating a steak while camping
with his family. So after that, this guy's daughter was
in a ballet class and his wife began talking to
another mom there who happened to be a pediatrician, and
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she thought this was we that the husband had two
reactions to stake like this put them up there, put
the wife of the guy that died in touch with
an allergist, and they connected it to this alpha gal syndrome.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, it's actually it's really interesting. It's nothing that I
heard about up until recently, within the past couple of years,
and now it's it's all over the place and coming out,
and I am curious as to why, all of a
sudden this is a thing and it wasn't a thing
even a couple of years ago. So first let's talk
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about it. There's in most mammals, they have a sugar
in their blood that's called alpha gal. And what happens
is a tick could feed off of one of these
animals and then bite a human. And when the tick
bites a human, the saliva goes into the human and
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it contains these alpha gal molecules, right, and these this
can cause your body. Whenever your body's exposed to some
thing like that. This is kind of like the theory
of a vaccine. Your body builds up antibodies to it
because it recognizes it as far, and so then it
means the next time that it sees that it's going
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to try to it's going to react to it. Right,
So you get this tick bite and you get alpha
gel in your body, and your body has a reaction
to it and you don't even know it. Then all
of a sudden, if you have an allergy to it,
you eat red meat, and then your body really freaks
out because you have this allergy to it because it
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already recognizes it because it's seen it before from the
tick bite. So all of the cases that we've reported
on mother nos death so far have just been a
person having difficulty breathing hives. There's all different kinds of
presentations diarrhea, but we've never reported an actual death from it,
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and this appears to be the first reported death of it.
So it makes you think, Okay, have people died from
this before and had these mysterious desks that we didn't
know what it was, and now all of a sudden,
it's like, oh my god, people have been dying from
years from this or what else is taken into consideration.
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So one of the theories is that these white tailed
deers are one of the hosts of the tick here.
So obviously, any person that lives, especially where we live,
anybody will tell you that there's been a way big
increase of deer from when I was a kid anyway.
I mean you just see them all over the place
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in people's backyards and stuff now and it's just lone
star ticks, right, It's not all ticks, ya, So it's
lone star ticks. So I mean, that could possibly be
the thing. I guess. The wife had said that he
did not have a tick bite that she knew of,
but they were on vacation at some point, and what
he thought he was getting all of these little weird
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ankle bites that were from chiggers. That's what thought it was.
And the researchers are thinking that maybe it was the
larva of these dear, these lone star ticks that were
actually biting on him. So, I mean, and a lot
of people just don't know if they get a tick bite,
so it is scary. One of the things that's really
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interesting about this alpha gl is that the CDC did
a study or a survey in twenty twenty three, and
forty two percent of doctors said they never heard of it,
and only thirty five percent of doctors said that they
would even know to recognize it or test for it.
I don't know. I don't know if I talked about
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this before when we talked about this story, but about
within the past year, I went out to dinner with
neighbors of ours and I ate. I was sitting at
the table, and it was the weirdest thing. I was
feeling perfectly fine that they sat at the table, I
ate steak, and I ended up throwing up by the time,
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like in the bathroom. By the time we left the restaurant,
it was like the weirdest thing ever. I went home,
I was fine, I've eaten meat since then, fine, But
I so happened to have a doctor's appointment like a
week later, and he's like, how you feeling? And I
was like, oh, I feel good, But do you want
to hear something really weird that happened to me because
it was it was just too fast to have any
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kind of food poisoning or it just was it was
just so fast and all I had was steaked. There
was nothing else. So he said, huh, I wonder if
you have this this alpha gel thing. And I was like,
what is that. I never even heard of it. So
my doctor knew about it, and he's like, yeah, it's
this this it's really going around right now that there's
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there might be this allergy to red meat and all
this stuff. So anyway, I guess now they're saying, if
you ever eat red meat and ever have any kind
of reaction like hibes or difficulty breathing or anything, just
number one, pay attention to it because it's real. And
number two, you can go to your doctor and you
could get antibody testing to see if you've been exposed
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to this alpha gal. So when they're doing a regular autopsy,
like after this guy died, they they wouldn't easily be
able to detect that he had a reaction like that,
it's a specialize. They saw that he had increased his
blood work did show that he was having some kind
of an allergic reaction. They just didn't know what it
was to, and they wouldn't they wouldn't routinely just order
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for the alpha gal unless it was requested, because I mean,
think about the weird stuff people are allergic to, not
vague strawberry like, you can't test for everything under the sun.
So they didn't know specifically what it was. It just
so happens that this pediatrician was her daughter was in
the class with his daughter, and the wife got talking
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to her, and that's how it just was like a
blessing in disguise kind of a thing, but which thank
god that kind of happened, because number one, it's it's
it's you know, public service announcement. But number two, the
family can get some answers because they might not have
ever gotten answers unfortunately in a case like this, And
imagine just having your spouse kind of die that was
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perfectly healthy and not really understanding what happened, because that
would make me scared that my kids might have something too,
you know, and and listen, like if they were all
vacationing together and he got bit by these ticks. There's
certainly a possibility that the children and and she did
as well. That's so and all it is. It's a
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blood test that you could find out. It's just it's
just like really interesting when something like this happens, because
obviously humans have been eating meat forever, So like what
why now? Right? Like what is it now? I don't know,
It's just it's just like really really interesting, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
So this is what Amy said. My daughter Alex has
this and after she was bitten multiple times by a
loan star tick and had an anaphylactic reaction to a steak,
now she can't even go near dairy or mammal meat.
She's super sensitive to it. Even has to separate her
pans in the house now or she gets hives when
she uses one after cooking steak or burgers for her family. Interestingly,
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my other daughter Maya has lime disease and could barely
get out of bed for a year when she was
a teenager. It's not very well known that this lone
star tick can kill you.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, it's cool, And I mean, Amy, I hope your
daughter has an appy pen that she carries with her
because that is what you have to use if you
have a reaction. That's that bad.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well I asked her if there's any treatment or cure,
and she said no. So that's even scarier to think
about people having to deal with this. And I mean,
how could you totally avoid red meat or anything like
people even just use beef broth in regular colors.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well you can, I meet big and people do it
all the time. Well, yeah, I guess you would just
have to use you are vegetarian, yeah, I mean without
dairy though, like because you can get it, they said,
especially like high fat dairy like milkshakes and ice cream.
You can set it off too, So you just have
to live like a pretty strict You don't have to
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necessarily be vegetarian even because this protein is not it's
in mammals, but it's not in chickens and turkey and fish,
So you could eat meat if you if you want to.
You're not going to get sick from eating that kind
of meat. It's just more like animal products. And I
mean it could even be in gelatine, so marshmallow, like
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it's just what I'm saying. Yeah, you just like so hard.
You just have to be like the same thing that
people do with an allergy or something. You just have
to be careful what you eat. Same with ciliac or anything.
You just have to be careful, and you just can't
easily go out to dinner like you once could. But
I think the biggest key is really pin pointing and
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getting the blood work done to say that, ye, you
do have antibodies to this, and yes you're having a reaction.
God's so terrible, all right.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
This forty one year old man with severe mental disabilities
was living in a group home and for some of
his issues, he took medication that caused severe constipation. So
I guess he had been complaining about the constipation and
an abdominal pain to the staff there. Nobody took him
seriously and then he ended up dying.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And what did they find? Okay, So they did an
autopsy and they diagnosed him with something called attention pneumo peritoneum,
which is just an excessive amount of gas build up.
Not what you would think of gas, like when you
have to fart in stuff. It's gas around the organs.
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And the reason that that could kill a person is
because if gas accumulates underneath the skin around the organs.
It could compress some of the organs, and it could
push the diaphragm up so far that it could cause
difficulty that the heart has a difficult time beating. It
could get it doesn't put blood out as fast as
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it should be doing because of so much air pushing
up on it, and the blood's not returning back to
the heart quick enough. Right. So the reason that this happened,
they think, is because he had so much poop inside
of his intestines that it tore it put like micro
tears inside of his bowl and air. And you know
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when you have poop inside of your bells, those bacteria
are constantly putting off gases and that's why you fart. Right. Well,
if you have a big turd that's inside of your colon,
that gas can't get through, so it builds up inside
the bell. But if there's tears in the bow, that
gas leaks out and that's how it gets into the
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abdominal cavity. Typically at autopsy, when we see poop, we
might just mention what it looks like. Was it watery,
was it bloody? Was it did it appear to be constipated?
But in this case, at the autopsy, they actually weighed
the poop, and poop doesn't have a normal weight, and
normally when organs or things don't have a normal weight, like,
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what's the point of measuring them? Because they could be this,
they could be that. But there's never a situation where
someone should have anywhere near twenty pounds of impacted feces
inside of their bell. This guy, you know, after investigation,
he wasn't going to the bathroom for months, And I
guess the really messed up part of it was that
he was mentally ill. He was on medications that caused constipation,
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and the center he was living at had no kinds
of checks to make sure that the patients were going
to the bathroom every day.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I mean, the family sewing the place. And I one
hundred percent could get behind this because if he was
being vocal about having issues and they were just blowing
him off, weren't they didn't they say too he had
a giant bruise on his abdomen. Yeah, he had a
giant bruise across his abdomen, and he had all signs
that he was dealing with severe constipation. And the thing
is is that this he was very young, right in
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his early forties.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, this so attention. Numo peritoneum is considered a medical emergency.
But if you go get surgery and also just handle
this impaction, like he didn't have to die from this,
and this took a long time for this to happen.
You don't think about all of the food you eat
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every single day and stuff and putting it together and
making it weigh twenty pounds, and that's after all the
fluids removed from it, all the nutrients are removed from it.
It's chewed up like that's just like a lot of poop,
a lot of food that wasn't getting through elsive. It
is And if you're trusting that your child or your
loved one is at a home that's taking care of
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them because they're so mentally ill that they can't live
by themselves, then this is their fault. Is just terrible.
I can't it's so unaccepted. It's just and it's sad too,
because like I'm sure everyone listening right now has dealt
with constipation at some point in their life. It's terrible.
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It is absolutely terrible. And he was complaining so much
about abdominal pain to so many people for such a
long time, and like they were trying to get him
to sit on the toilet, Like how uneducated are these
people that are taking care of these people? Like, when
you have that much poop stuck in your stomach, you
can't just sit on the toilet and push it out.
There has to be lots of interventions of mir relax
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and laxatives and possible surgical intervention and animals and things
like that. You can't just be like, oh, sit down
and try to poop. Well.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, and apparently they're claiming that they never alerted his
physician either, so nobody was even going to be looking
at this and they were clearly not trained enough to
be dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Last story, This woman was five months pregnant and ended
up developing a life threatening infection which required surgery to
remove her fetus, who did not survive. So a couple
weeks ago, she picked up her son's ashes and stopped
Ataria on the way home, leaving the urn inside of
the car. So she comes back to the car after
an hour and finds the box the urn was in
is ripped open and the urn is nowhere to be found.
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Who steals ashes from a car.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, unfortunately, it's because someone thought that the urn was
worth money, and they're just they don't care. They just
don't kept at that point.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
I'm not saying this is right, but at that point
you can't like dump them into the box, so.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
She at least has her child. If you're gonna steal
the vessels, I don't think people care. They just don't care.
The worst part of this story is that she said
two people in their early twenties were eyeing her down,
and then when she went in the store and they
reviewed the security, they are the ones that did it.
So you did it, and then you're gonna stare her down,
like can this lady have one second of peace? She
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had lost her kid. It's sad because she was she
was pregnant and she had to be forced to have
an elective termination because of some infection that she had.
They didn't really elaborate on that, but she she had
to get this procedure done and went through the extra
lengths that many people I know from experience working in
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pathology don't go through, which is having the funeral home
come to the hospital and pick up the fetal remains
and cremate them. It's not commonly done in relation to
how many times procedures like that are done, and which
means to me that she really wanted this child and
she couldn't because of medical reasons, and she wanted a
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proper burial, and like that's a lot. That's a huge
decision for a woman to even have to make, to
begin with, going through that heartache, and then on top
of that, trying to keep the remains with you, and
then some scumbag decides to break into your car and
steal it. It's just so it's so cruel, and I
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hope by getting the story out that somebody would hear
it and just be like just return pour it into
a bag and just leave it at a police station
or something. I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
That's what I'm saying, Like obviously they're pieces of shit
and they don't care. But I'm like you, it's clear
as day it's an urn. It's not a freaking vase, right,
like you know what's inside of it.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
So you couldn't even have left it.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Not that that would have been that would have been
so incredibly fucked up and disrespectful too, if that if
they dumped it out in the box. But like This
lady doesn't care about the value of the vessel. She
just wants her son's remains. It's so terrible.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I didn't we talk about a story that a mom
had the remains stolen out of her car too before? Probably,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Know, I can't remember anything we talked about just last week,
you know what, something like trigger when I when I
was reading this, I was like, oh, we covered this
story a while ago.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
And then when I read it, I was like, no,
this is a new story. It had something to do
with like, oh, it wasn't the car it was didn't
the mom have wasn't she like sending the sun via
ups the ashes and she didn't declare that they were
was it ups or the postal service whatever didn't declare
it was ashes and the package got lost or something
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like that.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
And yeah, like we've had stories like that. We had
that one of that guy that was on an airplane
and the ashes got opened in his luggage by accident.
We had the kids that ate the ashes. We've had
people that have vacuumed them up. But there is a
special place in hell for people that break into a
person's car and steals ashes of their loved ones. Just
to get what ten dollars for the earn.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
It's disgusting, all right. Let's move on to questions and emails.
So if you guys have any questions or comments or
stories you want to share with us, please share them
at stories at mothernosdeath dot com. So we already read Amy's,
so let's get onto Gen's. Says I'm the ct tech
that previously emailed you about the portable X ray machine.
You probably don't remember, but I met you at dark
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Side and mentioned my son as a pilot in response
to your question about what happens when an aircraft seat
gets soiled. If the plane has a quick turnaround, they'll
be delayed, but only for a short time, during which
they will make an announcement that typically would be something
like we need to change a light fixture on the plane.
The entire seat cover comes off like a slipcover and
is replaced with a clean one. Well, that's good to know,
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and other affected areas floor walls get cleaned and disinfected.
They have maintenance staff to assist a flight attend attendant
to work incredibly fast. Before I sign off, I just
have to tell you guys that I bust out laughing
every time I hear Maria say, ew, you guys are
amazing and I love your show. Thank you, Jen, thank
you for this information.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
And of course we remember you. Yes, we love you
so oh my god, yeah, thank you. I figured that
it could have been something like that. I just was thinking,
like a slipcover, right, is is like a cushion underneath
that the poop would just seep through. But maybe they're
kind of waterproof, like ae those waterproof like mattress protectors
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you could put on. Yeah, maybe it's like something like that.
But I love that you said that they're like, oh,
we have to change a light bulb like So, next
time I ever hear that they're doing some maintenance like that,
then you're gonna be like, Okay, who took a shit
on the seat that I'm about to go sit in? Though?
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Seriously, and just you just have to hope it's not yours?
All right, last somebody asked my hot take on the
Blake Lively just about Dody situation.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I don't really have a hot take.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think they're both incredibly annoying people, and I honestly
want this to go away.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I'm tired of hearing about it, I have a hot take.
I just can't stand her. I can't stand either. I
can't stand that whole like that whole crew of people.
They're just annoying. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
He had a podcast about male feminism. Uh no, thank you,
and then she is what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
He's a male feminist, don't you know?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
But then he got used to sexually assaulting somebody or
sexually harassing somebody. It's a man that stands up for
women's rights.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's such bullshit.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's like, I don't know, it's so it's such fraudulent
behavior to like act like you're this higher than now
or higher than everybody else, like this great man that
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
That's how every celebrity is.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, not every but most so disgusting. And then she
is like the devil. There's been rumors about her, that
she's been terrible forever. And then when you hear about
everything that happened on that dumb movie about a dumb book,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
That author is not good. It's not good. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
But she, you know, was trying to take over the script.
You're trying to have her dragons or whatever. Get involved
and have her friends write songs. And then I think
I just heard that they fired the costume designer and
she was bringing her own clothes from home, which that
movie has the worst costume design I've ever seen in
my life. She looks so terrible, totally unflattering. And then
I read that she wanted to get paid as the
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costume designer to so you put somebody out of a
job and totally ruined a movie that could have been
esthetically nice. It's unbelievable. The privileges people have is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
I don't know, the whole thing is like it just
seems like a conjured up nothing, and I guess a
lot of people are talking about them. MOVI. Did that
movie like actually make any money?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Or the movie did actually make I mean, the book
is extremely popular, so the movie I is the book terrible.
I just don't like the way that author writes. I've
tried to read her books before, and you know, I've
almost read a hundred books this year.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I've bet eighty nine books this year so far. And
if I get and some of them are truly terrible,
But if I can't even get past like ten to
twenty percent of a book. I can't focus on the writing,
and that's bad. Think about that. And I can read
almost anything. Just try to read a couple of her
book and it's just not for me. But I think
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the message of showing domestic violence and everything, it was
cool that somebody tried to like bring that to light
and try to like get awareness for it and everything.
But I think the movie got lost. I think that
message got lost with all this drama behind that movie.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Just based upon like I'm just talking shit right now,
based upon what I've heard. My personal opinion is that
she was filming that movie and like started having a
crush on that guy totally, and like he rejected her
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in some way or something, and then she did all
this shit to be retaliatory. That's that's my personal like
just from life experience. That's what seemed like it happened.
And some of the texts that during their text exchange,
because remember they got released, I just felt like it
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was her trying to like test the waters to see
if he would reciprocate like like a little bit more
than a friendship. Well yeah, and I mean I think
she's married to an incredibly powerful person. She that guy sucks.
He sucks too.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I mean, you know, with all this drama coming out,
I really I never really liked him that much, but
I really like he sks me out when I see
his face now.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
And one of my favorite Christmas movies ever is Just.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Friends, and I don't know if I could watch it
anymore because I seriously can't stand his face, like don't
want to hear his voice.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Well, I know it sucks too because I used to
one of my movies when I was younger that I
thought was like a really funny movie is Waiting. Oh yeah,
Like I think that movie was like really funny. But
now I'm just kind of like, eh, you know it.
It like now that he's a rock star and stuff,
it's just like turn off listen. Honestly, Like I've been
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saying this, I feel like I said it on Gandhi
Show and I'll say it here, Like there was so
much mystery to these fabulous lives that movie stars used
to live and we didn't know too many details, and
I just feel like it should stay that way. Once
they start showing their personality and opening their mouth and stuff,
you're kind of like yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
No, yeah, I mean I even just found out. I
thank you Kim Morgan again for recommending that book about
Charles Manson called Chaos. I recommend everybody reads it. I
just finished it. But in that book, I just found
out that Charles Manson was staying with Brian Wilson from
The Beach Boys. And now I'm like, well, now I
have a new perspective on him when I knew nothing
about him before.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Now I feel like I knew that before. There was
some connection there. I feel like I heard.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
I don't want to know what these freaks do in
their personal life. I just want to watch movies and
enjoy the art. I don't want to know anything about
them anymore. I'm over it.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
But the more that comes out about celebrities and like
what's going between the Diddy thing and the Epstein thing
and stuff, You're just like, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's the question we always pose, how do people live?
It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
It's just like the parties are going to and the
people they're affiliating with and stuff. It's just like it's
just I don't know, you're on this plane, you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Like what, I don't know what happens in these people's lives.
I can't fathom being on their level. So maybe when
you get up there, it's like some scientology, you unlocks
the lord's he new and then you understand all of
a sudden, But I don't know, are what are these
people doing? And I'm tired of hearing about their lives.
I wish they would go away, honestly, all of them.
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I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
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