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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Let's get started with
the story of the day.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I feel like the theme of this week is just
like pedophiles and child abuse.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What is going on with the world, I don't know.
This story is nuts.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So Iraq has now passed a new law that makes
it legal for children as young as nine to be married.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So I read a couple different articles about this, and
I think I understand what's happening. So it seems like
it's here in this country where you could get married
by the church, but you also have to get married legally,
so there's two different things. You know, we grew up well,
I don't want to consider myself to be Catholic, but
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we grew up in a Catholic environment. So if you
were to get married in the church, that would be
the religious ceremony. But then you also have to fill
out a permit or is that what it's called a permit?
When you got married, well, you have a license, a
marriage license whatever that, so you register legally with the state.
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And it seems like in Iraq they have a similar thing.
But now they're trying to just make it so the
religious one is the one that's in charge and it's
going to override the state one or you know, the
legal government one. And in that their rules of the
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religious ones are very loose with children being able, well,
it's females could get married as young as nine, males
are a little bit older at fifteen years old. But
more importantly, I mean, that's disturbing enough, but it also
is taking rights away from girls too and women too,
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which is normally if they were to get divorced, they
would be able to be entitled to living in the
marital house, and they would be able to get some
kind of alimony after they were divorced. But if they
go strictly by religious law, they don't get any of
that kind of stuff. They also aren't technically legal under
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the government, so they won't be eligible for things like
giving birth in a hospital. And so think about nine
and ten and eleven year olds getting pregnant and giving birth.
There's just more risk of complications and stuff like serious
complications that could end in death, and they're forced to
give birth at home because they're not going to be
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underneath of the legal government system. Anymore. So I don't
know why they change that, because already in Iraq it
seems like they were having a really bad time with
people getting married to children as it was. The statistics
are outrageous. It's been rising over the past twenty years.
But they said that twenty eight percent of girls in
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Iraq are married before the age of eighteen, and twenty
two percent of the unregistered marriages, so that would be
the religious type ceremonies the girls are under fourteen. Oh
my god. But now like they're just going to That
was a loophole, so people were already doing it, doing
these unregistered or like religious ceremony kind of marriages, but
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now they're just strictly doing all of these marriages instead
of the legal ones that were registered. It just makes
me really sick because I understand there's cultural differences and everything,
but I can't understand any culture of religion that makes
it acceptable for children to be married. And you know,
I was reading that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
They're essentially now, you know, making child rape legal too,
because that's what this is at the end of the day.
And I can't imagine that anybody doesn't see this as
being a problem.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, I don't care if it's their religion or not,
it's you know what I mean. There are religions, plenty
of religions do messed up things. You could be respectful
of other people's culture when it comes to how they
dress and food they eat and different practices they do.
But this practice is just it's really sad because you
can't imagine that any woman that lives in that country
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was involved with making this law. Correct. I mean, there's
no way that any muster.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They're like totally brainwashed into thinking it's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah. So I don't know how it came into law now,
like if it was voted in or whatever, but regardless,
I guess that's what it is now. So all of
these people, I would be I would move out of
the country, honestly, I think, because yeah, I'm a mom
of daughters. I know they can't.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I know that people don't have that option to move
out of the country. And this is unfortunately something a
lot of no it's women have to deal with. It
sucks because the ones that are the most vulnerable are
the ones that are poor, that have less money, because
they're the ones that are getting essentially purchased by these
men when they're when they're nine years old because they're
poor and it'll give their.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Family some money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And they might not have an understanding that it's wrong
because it's happening to them at such a young age.
And if they're saying this is culturally happening and they're
used to this, they might not have the outsider's perspective
that this isn't right and shouldn't be happening. I mean,
this is as big as bullshit as saying it's like
culturally appropriate to tattoo a nine year old because they
said the family said that was okay too, right, Like,
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why are we not protecting the children anymore?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's really bad. I mean, this is if this was
happening here, obviously you would. It's just like that that's
a thing over there as it is. It's just messed
up that the thing. A lot of people seem to
be fighting against it, and they're still pushing it. The
thing is, it does happen in this country with religious
cults and everything else too. It just there.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's easier to catch here and take care of here,
but it is happening all over the world. But to
see an entire country pass the while making it okay
is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
You know what's funny? I remember not funny, but when
we used to watch To Catch a Predator a thons
all the time, there were a lot of men that
were from other countries that I remember Chris Hansen saying
that they were trying to justify it because it was
okay in their country to have sex with younger people
and children and stuff like that. And you're just like, no,
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that's not okay here. Ever, of course, it seems like
it's becoming more acceptable to talk about that it's okay
in this country. But that's like a whole other side note.
But yeah, let's get into the celebrity news because we
have a couple stories that are pretty good this week.
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Last week Oprah went on her podcast and discussed how
her taking GLP one medications for weight loss ended up
changing her understanding of how thin people approached eating.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I think that this is really interesting actually, So she
was talking in her interview and saying that she for
anyone that knows Oprah, especially me, because she's been around
since the eighties, you know, and she was always on
the tabloids and it was always the butt of every
joke like, oh, she's skinny this week, she's fat this week,
she's skinny this week. You know. So she's always struggled
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with her weight. And then she said in this interview
that she didn't she was scared to start taking the
weight loss drugs like will go over your ozembic or something,
because she thought that it was cheating and it was
the easy way out. And then finally when she took it,
she had this epiphany that she thought she used to
think that all really thin people had really strong willpower
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and they were able to stay thin and not eat
that much and give themselves smaller portions and all. And
once she started taking the medication and it turned those
particular things off in her brain, then she was like, oh, okay,
I see they just people that are thinner don't ever
have those intrusive thoughts all the time of just constantly
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wanting to eat and never feeling full and never feeling satisfied.
And I honestly agree with her, because I mean, I
know for sure that I've dealt with that my entire life,
that I just want to eat all the time. And
I think that there's some people that are like, oh,
I had a chicken breast and a piece of lettuce,
and I'm totally satisfied for the day. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think a problem we have in particular in our
family too, is that we are very we have very
strict routines in our lives or habits. So, for example,
every single night, I have to have a snack after
I eat dinner, right, And that doesn't always necessarily mean
I'm hungry and I want something to snack on. I'm
just so used to my entire life having a sweet
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treat or something after I eat dinner that even on
days that I'm not hungry, I still do it, which
is very problematic.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I agreed, and that's just the way that we
grew up and everything like that. But and I don't
want to say that a lot of it isn't willpower,
because there's definitely people that are just born and they're thin,
and they don't ever worry about their weight or what
they eat because it's not really on their mind. And
I believe that one hundred percent. But there also are
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people that that are very regimented and force themselves not
to eat as much either, you know, just so they
could maintain a normal weight and everything. But I almost
when you're listening to Oprah in this interview, it almost
it almost sounds similar to an addiction, right Like when
I was a teenager, I tried drugs and stuff and
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I never got hooked. I never cared. I've tried alcohol.
I don't get hooked. I don't care. But there's some
people that get have addiction problems and they get hooked.
And you can't imagine when you look at some people
that drink every day of their life, You're like, why
are they drink every day of their life? They can't?
Why can't they stop? But because it's so easy for
me to stop, I don't need it. I haven't hide
out however many months now, you know whatever. But I
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think it's a similar type of thing. And then people
that with especially once that struggle with obesity, don't really
quite understand that that it's not just you know, sometimes
you hear, well, just don't eat as much and things
like that, and it's just not, well, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Do you think anybody really wants to be doing stuff
like that. It's part of having addiction, Like I don't know.
I always that drives me nuts when people are just like,
we'll just stop eating like okay, because it's just that
easy to just set eating.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It's just cool that she realized because when you take
that medication, it just turns that part off of your
brain and you could just function normally without worrying about
what you're eating all the time. And it's just it's
really interesting and it's interesting that she thought that she was.
She's really struggled with it her whole life and beat
herself up over it. And it's good that someone with
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her influence is talking about that, you know, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
All right, So we have a couple influencer TikTok stories.
So first is this really sad story this food influencer
Rebecca Wiley Simms. She has died at age thirty nine
after some surgery complications. I actually knew of her because
she owned this really cool cheese shop called Lady and
Larder in Santa Monica, and the couple of times have
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been to California, they are always popping up when I'm
looking up, you know, places to get good food or snacks,
and I unfortunately never had a chance to go. But
everything they make there looks beautiful, and it's just really
sad to see that she died like this, and her
twin sister had to announce it to their following, and
I don't really know it.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It is really sad when you look at the pictures,
it's like their whole kind of thing was them as
twins doing these business things together. Yeah, and I feel
so terrible for her sister just looking at those pictures.
And she's young, she was married, she had two little kids.
They don't as of right now. I mean, this just
happened like a day or two ago, so we don't
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know what kind of surgery she was having or there's
no more details if she was sick or anything. So
we'll report back if we hear anything. But I mean,
that's all we really have to say about it. Just sucks. Yeah,
it sucks when anybody young dies. Nobody thirty nine should
ever die, you know, like that.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Speaking of another influencer death, this guy Ricardo. Excuse me
if I'm saying this in correctly. We all know I
have pronounce the issue problems.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Go doy.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
He's died at forty five years old after undergoing anesthesia
to get a tattoo, which has been a really controversial
thing in the tattoo world for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I don't understand why this is even an option general
anesthesia for a freaking tattoo. That's the most ridiculous thing
I've ever heard of my life.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, yeah, I agree, And I was looking up some
videos of other people, especially tattoo artists, talking about it
on social media, and their thoughts are like, when if
we turn to this time where we need all these
numbing creams and anesthesia, just be a regular person and
sit down and get it. And if you can't handle
the pain, you probably shouldn't be getting it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
There's there's photographs from one hundred plus years ago of
people that are tattooed all the way up to their
chin that never had anesthesia. I have a lot I've
never had anesthesia. It sucks and it hurts, but like
that's kind of the process of it. There's no it's
just kind of I don't know. I think that if
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I had the option to get anesthesia, I still wouldn't.
You've hurt a lot of times too with these tattooed
numbing creams that especially when people are having large areas
tattooed that they say, like, for example, Lucia, remember when
Lucia had that bad psoriasis and the infection on her
leg and she had to get a punch biopsy on
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her leg. Right, Yeah, we put that numbing cream. The
doctor gave us that norm numbing cream to put on
her leg and we had to wrap it on her
legs so when she got a punch biopsy on her
leg that it wouldn't hurt her as bad because they
had the number skin in it everything and put needles
in that wound that was already like angry and infected
and sore. And that's why numbing creams are appropriate for
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situations like that. But to get a tattoo is something
it's funny that they're calling it a tattoo procedure because
it's not a procedure. It's not something that you need.
It's just weird to you tell it that.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So you're telling me the hospital allows any random tattoo
artists to come in.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Not in America, but this was in Brazil, right, I
mean they might in like outpatient surgery centers. I don't know,
I've never heard of that, but this was in Brazil.
And not only so the first thing would be a
topical one like cream that would not your skin, right,
A lot of people though, complain that it works at
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first and then you don't feel it, and then all
of a sudden it starts wearing off, and then it
hurts probably ten times worse because you're just like in
the middle of this sore tattoo. Because you know, when
you're normally getting tattooed, it just kind of like numbs
out a little bit. After a while, it's you know,
it's like you'll you'll feel parts that are a little
bit worse, but you're used to it at that point.
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But when you're when the numbing cream is wearing off,
when you're three hours into a tattoo or whatever, it
seems to hurt people more. This is people that I
know that have used the cream, that have had multiple
other tattoos without the cream, you know. So the first
line would be a topical cream to numb the skin.
The second line would be to do injections around the
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tattoo and to give like a local anesthetic, right I
general anesthesia. They don't even give you general anesthesia when
you get a colonoscopy or you get your wisdom teeth
pulled out. Like general anesthesia is like they're cutting you
open and giving you surgery. It's it's serious, and it's
not something that should ever be done unless it's necessary.
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And I feel like that was already overkilled to put
a person under general anesthesia to tattoo them. So my
first thing is, Okay, this guy's forty five years old, Like,
why is he dying? Because the reports are that they
put him under anesthesia and that within a couple minutes
he had gone into he was having like a weird
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respiratory sounds and he went into cardiac arrest and they
were trying to resuscitate him for like forty minutes and
he died before they even started doing the tattoo. So
I automatically think, okay, well, something's wrong with this guy
if his heart is stopping as soon as anesthesia's introduced.
And then I looked at him, and he has a
certain kind of a look. So I was just like
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looking into some information because he's a he looks like
he lifts weights and he's like very big. And I
looked further further and I found a lot of articles
saying that there were eyewitness accounts that he was an
anabolic steroid user. And seeing that was like, oh, this
is what happened in my opinion, this is how this
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guy died, So how like how exactly? Though? So what
does the steroid have to do with the anesthesia? So
when you take you know, you get steroids sometimes when
you're sick. Yeah, okay, that's not the same thing as
an anabolic steroid. So anabolic steroid is basically giving a
person synthetic testosterone, and under medical it can be used
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in a medical setting. For example, if a boy doesn't
go into puberty and needs to have that kind of
an injection or a medication, or there's some kind of
disorder where you have muscle loss and it could help
you because when a person, especially when a man, takes
anabolic steroids, it helps build up their muscle and it
makes them perform. It's performance enhancing drugs. That's what it is, right, Okay.
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So the side effects of it, especially with long term use,
are are terrible. It could cause infertility, small testicles, acne,
all of this this other side stuff. But the more
serious things that it could cause is it could cause
you to have high blood pressure. It could cause you
to have sudden death and heart attack. So when you
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give someone that's been on those kind of medications anesthesia,
it just exacerbates that, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Okay, So, like I noticed they said your favorite thing,
which is he died from cardiac orists. So you're saying,
did he just have a heart attack?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Cardiac arrest means that your heart stopped, So something caused
his heart to stop. A lot of different things could
cause your heart to stop. In fact, everything could cause
your heart to stop, because that's how you die, your
heart stops speeding. So but in a situation like that,
in anesthesia, especially when there's there's more suggestion that the
anesthesiologist is is legit, never had any kind of complications
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or deaths associated done hundreds or procedures with no issues.
When someone like essentially drops dead like this, it's usually
because of a cardiac issue like that, and and else
judging on the fact that he appears to be And
I'm not just saying, of course I thought that he
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was just because there's only a certain level of muscle
a man could build by himself without help. But there
are reports that he was using anabolic steroids.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean, I think that they're just trying to bring
up a bigger point too, that you know, maybe this
could be considered what you were always talking about like
VIP treatment or whatever, that people are getting special things
that normally you wouldn't allow. Like in America, a normal
person wouldn't be able to go to a regular hospital
and get anesthesia to get a tattoo done.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, Apparently in Brazil they have a lot of these
elective procedures being done, so, I mean, they're putting it
on the same level as like getting cosmetic surgery. Right.
So one crazy article that I read about this case
is that his family didn't know that he died and
were never told that he died and he was buried,
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which I don't know. I don't know what the person
is in Brazil, like if like I don't know if
it's like it is here. But apparently they said that
he got buried, and then the forensic experts were like, no,
he needs to get exhumed and we need to examine
his body because we need to just because there's such
an increase in these types of procedures. We want to
make sure that everything was done right. I mean, because
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we're saying that this anesthesiologist is legit, but like maybe
the anesthesiologist did something wrong and the anabolic steroid us
had nothing to do with it, like we don't really know,
but that I just thought that that was interesting. And
I didn't read that in the People magazine article, for example,
but I read it in Brazilian articles. So I don't
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know if it's true or not. I'm just saying that
some people are reporting this, but it says that it's
raising serious questions about safety practices with these procedures. Yeah,
I would say it is. And I don't know if
it's because he's VIP, like you might be able to
go over there and get General annisesa for a tattoo.
I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, I think that the bigger thing, and I understand
the criticism from the tattoo industry and everybody over there
is just like if you can't handle the pain, don't
go forward with getting it done. Stop using all this
other bullshit to sit there and get a tattoo.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean, I have to get a ta. I
grew up in the culture from the nineties and it
was just like you're considered a pussy if you even
like take tylan All to get a tattoo, you know
what I mean. And now we're going for like, oh,
we're gonna get general anesthesia, the same thing that they
would give you if they were resecting your uterus for colon. Like,
it's just outrageous. No, it definitely is. Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Our next influencer theme story is this TikToker is now
under investigation after she live streamed unplugging her baby's nick
you monitor so she could get the attention of the
nurse to get her a turkey sandwich.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I hate some of these influencers so much. I like,
think about this. You have a baby that's born. I
don't know what was wrong with the baby. Did she
have the baby premature? I'm not sure, but yeah, I
don't know exactly why. But your baby's in the natle
ICEEU to me that that's never happened to me. I
have some friends that that's happened to. But that must
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be the most terrible thing in the world, to give
birth to a baby that you're not allowed to bring home,
that you have to sit there all day at the
hospital and like pray they survive because they're only there
because they're really they're really sick. They're not just keeping
a baby there for no reason. Right, What would even
make you be live streaming during that time? There's some
kind of narcissism involved with this, Like what would make
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you do that? And then are there rules in the
hospital I should I don't know because this is all
this all happens on the floor and stuff. I don't
know what the rules are, but like, if I'm a
nurse working in the hospital, I don't want to be
on a live stream while I'm working. No, like this,
this video is going viral. In this nurse I think
they're in Texas right, Like she's all over it and
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she was graceful, Like I would have been like, fuck,
you go get a sandwich yourself and stop using I'm
not like your personal Well do you think the nurse
live streaming? I don't know, but like why would you?
I don't know if she knew she was live streaming.
I mean, wouldn't the girl be holding up a phone
that she would be able to see it? Well, not
necessarily because she the nurse has never shown in the video.
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You could hear her talking, oh okayground, but the way
it's positioned, it might have just been propped up against
a chair or a windowsill or something. You would have
might not have known that it was going. But I
just think like, I agree with you. It's this weird
form of narcissism. It's just really trashy to think that
you should be documenting something like this and then be
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giving people what you think pro tips on how to
get attention of the nurse. So what ended up happening
was another person on TikTok saw this and ended up
reporting her to the hospital and Child Protective Services. And
she's defending it like, well, well, first she was defending
it in the live stream that she didn't want to
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put the baby down, which is why she didn't want
to get up, because the baby would get fussy when
she was put down. Because the nurse was trying to
be like, you can get up and take a break
and go get food if you need food, and she's like, well,
I don't want to put the kid down, And then
later after the video goes viral and get her I
believe in that there's not some kind of a call
button that she could have. You know that that's unplugging
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a machine to get a nurse to come in right away.
Sometimes when you hit the call button, they're like, we'll
get to you when we can because we're dealing with
other stuff. But if a baby seems like they're in distress,
they're going to run in right away, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
She claims that the nurse told her that was the
quickest way to get attention with the Yeah, okay, And
I'm like, if any nurse is suggesting a patient unplug the.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Monitors for the child literally didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It didn't happen, and if it did, the one person
chance it did, that person needs to be fired because
why are you putting the child at.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Risk because you want a fucking sandwich. Every day we
talk about these things. This person isn't ready for a baby.
I'll just say that she's just worried about her phone
and her followers and being extra like, you don't know,
she probably knew this was wrong, and she's like like,
look exactly, we're talking about it. Every news is talking
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about it. But she had millions of views.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
She ended up deleting her account, so what was the point.
It's not like you got her all these followers.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And because the same reason a lot of these videos
come out, These people just are on this other level
of not being in tune to everybody else in the world,
and they put out these outrageous videos and then you're like, okay,
every like, of course we hear that, and every person's
like every person that's listening right now is like, this
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girl's an asshole. But she didn't think that when she
was posting it. Otherwise she wouldn't have posted it, you
know what I mean, she's like surprised at the negative backlash.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well, I think this plays into what we talk about
a lot, that there is just this like shifting no
regard for human life at all, Like she didn't give
a fuck what happened to her baby because she wanted
a sandwich and she wanted a viral video. So what's
what is it at the expense of the child that's
in the ICU right, it's unbelieved you.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Was the monitor thing that was on it was for
the pull sox or something. I have no idea what
I mean if it was if it was for pull sox,
like if she pulled it off for a second to
get it to ding, it's not going to kill the kid.
It's just it's just kind of weird. It's the principle
of it's just weird that you are yeah to do that.
And the nurse was very nice, like you could get
up and then and then she was like no, and
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then apparently she did it again to get a drink
or something like that. Listen, she was doing this to
get views on her video, I'm telling you, And she
just didn't think She thought she was being like creative
or something. She had no idea that people were going
to think she was an asshole.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I mean, to me, this is a giant red flag.
Is somebody that's taking home that child? Because what else
is she going to do to exploit the kid when
they're not even out of the hospital.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Just think, like, when you're in that situation, Hadaia said,
neat because ant I had two kids that were in
the NIKU when she had them, Like, is that anywhere
on your mind, like what your followers are thinking right
now when you're in that situation with your kid. I
just can't even imagine it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I can't even imagine being in a place where I
have a baby in the nick you where I'm in
a mentality of even posting content. I could see going
on social media to distract yourself from the like difficult
situation you're in, but to be making content of it
is insane to me.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, people have.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
No business having children anymore, Like, seriously, there are just
some people that should not be allowed to have kids.
And I know that's like beyond my control and everything,
but it is very frustrating to hear stories of people.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And we talk about this all the time, like where
do you draw the line? Because there's there's a variation
of people that do unconventional things.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And then, well, I think about this a lot because
I think in your case, you were fifteen years old
when you had me. I think a lot of people
could have made the argument, what does a fifteen year
old have any business having a baby?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But having me.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Ended up changing your life around, And it does happen
for some people that you know, maybe don't.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Seem maybe it is. Maybe this situation will change her
life around because she's not getting revenue anymore from it.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And now Child Protective Services has involved your kids, what
like two weeks old, and now they're already at your door.
Get your shit together?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
What are you doing? Huh? Okay? Freak accidents all right?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
In China, this kid walked up to a sewer, thought
it was a good idea to put a firecracker into
the manhole, and then of course, within seconds it blew up,
throwing him into the air. This video looks so ridiculous.
It doesn't even look real, the way he flies up
in the air.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
He's lucky that he's not dead, because a manhole cover
is is like that really heavy iron. That thing could
have flew up and hit him really hard or hit
somebody around too. Think about something that heavy flying up
into the air and then falling down when you're not like,
no one's expecting the sewer to explode when they're standing
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out in the street.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You know, this is literally a real life situation of
what happened to Uncle Lewis in Christmas vacation when he
like likes the cigarette near the near the sewer. It's unreal.
I don't know what kids are thinking doing shit like this.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Well I feel better to know actually that it was
a child, because they're not thinking and a kid is
like I love, Like this sounds silly to say, but
just like I love the innocence of kids sometimes, and
just like that kid just wanted to thinking he was
doing something funny and like nobody had thought of before,
and then like it ending like this. You know it,
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if it was a grown up, you'd be like, Okay,
that person's off or something, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, and he did get some injuries, but he's expected
to be okay, So I think he probably learned his
lesson about just like Willy Nilly throwing explosives down into
the sewer.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
There is like a typical boy mom situation because it's
just you thinking about your daughters and you're just like,
this would never happen ever in a million years. But
I mean, they do their own dumb shit, trust me.
But but like you know, putting a plastic bottle on
their lip and sucking really hard and to make their
lips figure or something like that. But but yeah, like
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this sounds like something my brother would have did honestly
growing up.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I was just gonna ask you, like, how many
situations somewhere that Louis did like this, right, because oh yeah,
we have a million stories of him just getting into
trouble for no reason.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, but just doing stuff like that, that's funny. This
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Speaker 1 (31:28):
Okay, let's get into some true crime.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
So yesterday in Nashville, this seventeen year old student, his
name was Solomon Henderson, went to school open fire in
the cafeteria in the morning. The shooting was partially live
streamed on a site called kick which it has now
been removed, thank god, and the account was deleted. But
this is really horrible. He ended up shooting a couple
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of students and he killed a fellow sixteen year old classmate.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'll say this every episode. Why is live streaming even necessary? Like,
why don't we just get rid of it? Does anyone
need it for their livelihood at this point that they
couldn't get rid of it?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well, I mean, I think a lot of people use
it for their businesses or their shows. We were just
on a live stream yesterday.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
But I guess if we recorded that episode and it
just got posted five minutes after we recorded it, would
the world be over? No? I mean, because like, look,
it's it's attracting I mean, for all of the good
it does. I know there's lots of people that use
it for their social media platforms and stuff, but like
it's attracting people that are committing crimes and doing dumb
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shit like the girl we just talked about at the hospital.
But also it's we hear this time and time again
that there's now like people are wanting to live stream
their crimes and have it televice to the world, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, And I think it's just the principle of it
and just our social media use in general. It's just
really removing us from living in the moment. I mean,
I was really curious to see the impact of TikTok
going away and how that was gonna affect everybody, And
then of course what was it not.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Even how did it affect everyone in the in the
six hours it was down. I don't know, but I
was even, like, you know, I was even under this
understanding it's definitely not going away forever. Maybe it will
be down for a week, maybe a couple of days,
And I was interested to see how that shifted everybody's
perspective on social media and how they used it. And
(33:30):
I know Instagram exists in everything, but TikTok undeniably has
this really addictive formula to it. But you know, twelve
hours later it's back up and running, and it was
really wait, let me tell you middle of the night.
So let me tell you this interesting article that I
read today that people, so, you know, TikTok's back on, right,
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but you can't download the app right now. So if
you don't have downloaded, no, you can't download the app.
So there's phones that are selling on eBay for ten
thousand dollars that already have the TikTok app on it. Wow,
how outrageous is that? Who is? Because I'm like, I
like that, I probably have it on my phone because
you well you work our TikTok's count right, But yeah,
(34:14):
I probably I don't even know if it's on my phone? Honestly,
is it? I like, ask you, Maria, what's on my phone?
I'm like, DM, I could sell my because I would
totally do that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
This is a classic, like you're still a young person,
but you're definitely transitioning into traditional mom territory of like
me driving you occasionally to your doctor's supportments, you not
knowing what apps are on your phone.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I listen, it's not It's not because I'm not capable.
I just don't. I don't feel like it. I just
it's overwhelming to me and I'm lazy, and I just
don't feel like it. Like I remember we were talking
about yesterday on Lawrence. We did a live stream with
a name Time Crime yesterday. Can I still see that?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, you can go on Primetime Crimes YouTube tube or
Popcrime dot TVs YouTube and watch our live stream for yesterday.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But yeah, So we were talking about when when I
got started with everything and Maria, I had went up
to Maria and said, like, Hey, what's Instagram. It's because
I didn't have social media and I was thirty some
years old already. I was just like, how do you
work this thing? What do you do, and like I
would be if I didn't do the Instagram thing and
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that never went off for me, I would have been
totally fine not having social media and living my life
without it, like you know what I mean, It's just
that's just how I am, So I am lazy. I
definitely Instagram's a lot for me in itself. I definitely
don't want to go on Twitter x or whatever and
TikTok and every other thing to be on there.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
You know, well, I think that's easy for your generation
because you guys, you know, didn't have it until you
were older. And I definitely We've talked about this before,
like I definitely feel that I have this mild addiction
with going on it at all times, and I'm really
trying to work this year on not being on it
all day long like I was last year. I mean,
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and even my screen time wasn't that horrible. There's people
that have screen times it's like eight hours a day
just on one of these apps, which is it?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You No, it's nuts. And that that was what was
so great about our trip because we would drive like
ten hours a day when we took our road trip
a couple weeks ago, and Gabe can't be on his
phone while he's driving. I talked to him the entire time,
or we listened to a book, and it's awesome. I
just looked out the window and just like chill, Like
I'm used to be able to, like self, calm myself
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when I don't have a phone, because I know how
to survive without it. Didn't have anything like that until
we were in our twenties, you know. So yeah, like
I don't. I don't really, I don't care about it
like that.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
You know, Yeah, I agree, but I guess we'll circle
back to what we were talking about. So, like, it
just really disturbing to me that not only this kid's
going to his school and shooting in the cafe, but
also just the need to live stream it as this
like doubling down of what's going on. The shooter ended
up taking his life after all of this was said
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and done, and I think this is horrible. It's like, you,
you know, two people are dead, he killed one student,
he killed himself. Three other kids are seriously injured, and
then every single child at dead school is traumatized for
the rest of their life. There's more with the social
media with this story too. Apparently, he had a manifesto
that was posted on Instagram, which got taken down, but
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like not before everybody got screenshots of it. So if
you guys just want to start X, it's on there.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
For sure. I will never repeat the things on there
because they're just terrible. But it's interesting because it appears
that the kid's black, but he was an inceel and
he was in these in cell groups online and all
these forums, and also in these gore groups that not
not really talked about. I don't know why they call
it a gore forum because it was more like a
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a crime because people that typically like to look at gore,
they'll just be like, oh, I want to see a
person that got hit by a car and is smeared
all over the sidewalk or something like that. They're not
talking about murdering people. This is like a murdering people forum.
So it's like there's forums that have this then. So
someone from the Anti Defamation League, it was quoted in
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this article, is saying that sometimes in these in cell forums,
when there's people of color, they're told the only reason
that their insuls is because of their color, so it
pushes them towards an other extreme ideology, and apparently during
that time he picked up anti semitism and was posting
a lot of anti black content and internal racism. So
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you could imagine this manifesto is just it's just disturbing
what it says. And I won't be surprised if he
has some kind of underlying mental illness, because it seems
very scattered brain the way that it's written. But these
things were all on so media and are now taken
down because but people were able to find them after
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this happened, which means they've been there and and anybody
talking about murdering people and these kinds of these kinds
of racist things and all this stuff. And he was
saying in some of them that he was so miserable
he wanted to kill himself and he spends all day
disassociating like he was. He put it out there for
the world to see. So and this stuff was up
(39:27):
for a while before the shooting. Yeah, well people, I
know some ex accounts that have screenshot it and they
have it, so it got taken down afterwards, but it
was there. But it's not like he just posted all
of this the morning of No. Now it's been there
because I'm concerned too at the fact that you know
certain people are seeing these posts, and why are they
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not being reported, or if they are being reported, why
aren't they see the people that are seeing the posts
are in the groups with him, Like when I hear
their shootings at school, like I I ignore it. We
don't even report all of them. I just like I
felt like this one was a little bit different to report,
especially because of all of the online stuff. But like
I ignore the stories in the news because I just
like I just don't want to think about that, Like
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I have to send my kids to school there in school,
and like I just don't want to think about it.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Well and antily, it's just really hard to go there,
and they're just happening so frequently that it's like you,
I feel like if you really processed every single one,
you'd have almost no quality of life because it's so disturbing.
But let's get onto this next story. Back in the summer,
police got a call about the traffic stop involving a
school bus. So they get there and this sixty one
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year old guy was the driver. His name Sean. He's
there with his sixty four year old girlfriend, Deanna, and
the bus is also strangely filled with sixteen chickens, ten ducks,
two turkeys, three dogs, a pony.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
And one bull. So what do you think they're even
thinking when they get to this scene, Well, what I mean,
I don't know, like why why did they have all
those animals in the bus? All right?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So when they were checking out their backgrounds, they basically
found out that this Sean guy had a warrant for
his arrest in West Virginia for distributing materials of himself
performing sex acts on the pony and the bull, So
he already has this warrant out for arrest. And then
as they're looking into it more, they're starting to talk
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to the girlfriend and then she's describing to them that
they have all these animals in the school bus because
they had a petting zoo for children, or they were
trying to have this petting zoo for children, and they
had a number for Great, Yes, Great exactly, and they
had alleged a number for this alleged child petting zoo
on the side of the bus, which brought people to
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various pornographic websites that had more pictures of this guy
in acts of bestiality. So I don't know, they worked
with they worked with the animal local animal shelter to
remove all the animals, which of course we're all in
horrible condition. They all seemed like they were starved and
had no water, and then most of them had signs
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that they had been sexually abused as well.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, the beastiality thing is just is just so disturbing.
And when you read about this, I found some statistics
that are going to disturb you guys even more. But apparently,
based on all of this research that's done and this
is just known cases of people who've gotten arrested and
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all there is, and this is worldwide, it's estimated that
five to eight percent of males engage in some sort
of beatiality. That is, that's insane. Five to eight percent
of males, that's a lot. It is a lot, and
it's three to four percent of women. And then the
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interesting too in the research is that men typically go
for male animals where females go for opposite sex, So
they go for male animals too. So male animals tend
to be the most abused of all of the animals,
and the most abused animals are dogs, and the most
is dogs, and then secondary is horses is the second
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most popular, and they had some other studies done that
said that best reality appears to be more common in
rural areas because kids grow up seeing animals have sex
all the time on these farms they live on and stuff,
and they think that as they get older that they're
more inclined to think that of an animal sexually or
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something like is that this is just the statistics that
are are from a medical paper. This is not me
just saying it is. This is what they think. There's
also they also think that people that are emotionally abused
have more of an incidence of doing it, because they
said that all of the people that have been convicted
of it don't there's not a higher risk of physical
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abuse with those as opposed to the rest of the population.
There's all like this, very like niche people that fit
into doing these types of things, and it's just it's
just really crazy because for us to say this out loud,
it sounds outrageous, but apparently people are doing it. And
the craziest thing is is that there's no federal laws
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banning bestiality in the United States, so it depends on
what state you live in. Some people have really strict
finds of years in prison for animal abuse, and then
other ones have kind of not really many laws pertaining
to this.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, I mean, in this case, there was just this
severity of like him having the former warrant, him definitely
doing these acts of bestiality, the girlfriend being involved as well,
and then on top of it, all three dogs had
to be euthanized because of the assaults and the trauma
they had from them. And then they said one duck,
one chicken, and one turkey also died because of diminished
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health being in their care. So a Sean and Indiana
have been charged with over two hundred and fifty or
they face over two hundred and fifty charges and it's
so sick.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
They said that there were videos of him performing sex
acts with this with these two animals, and he was
sending these explicit pictures to kids. Yeah, like, I mean,
I don't know what do you even say about about
a person that does something like this. It's just when
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I was reading about when I was reading this medical paper,
we're I'm actually so surprised about this. We're gonna write
about this in the gross room at some point within
the next month about beast reality just the history of
it and what's currently going on and just what people
are doing there. They were telling these stories about these
like sex parties involving horses and stuff that people are
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just like, Oh, it's just it's just normal, Like that's
just what we do here. There was a guy that
died got he got his coal in perforated by a horse.
Penis How outrageous is that? So I'm like, we need
to talk about this more because it's just it's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
It's just happening way more than you would ever think.
And that's one of the more to serve it things.
So they're saying up to eight percent of the population
of men.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I still don't like, A part of me is sickly
interested to just see how the like a horse is.
I don't even understand how you how you could get
a horse to agree to that, Like, I don't know,
it's just well, they're certainly not agreeing to it. Well
they are agreeing to it if they're they're like, I
don't think that they're putting a gun to their head
to do it, like they're a hold a horse down.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
A horse cannot consent to having sex with a human being,
like they're but like it's.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Doing it, like this is what it doesn't get hold
it freaking chihuahua down. You can't hold a horse. A
horse is like ye four pounds or whatever. That it's
the dumbest thing you've ever said. You it really look
at a horse and look where they're penis is how
do you have sex with it?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
He doesn't know that it's a human versus another horse
that should be having sex with it's a horse.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I understand that it's a horse, but like it's not
doing it. It's it's you're not holding it down. That's
what I'm trying to tell you. Yeah, but it's still
against You don't know that. You don't know that you're
not in a horse's brain. I can't even believe this
is a conversation. Can we please move on? Okay?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Medical news, a state senator in Mississippi has filed a
bill entitled the Contraception Begins at Erection Act. So can
you explain exactly what this entails?
Speaker 1 (47:37):
When I when I first heard this, I was like,
this is so outrageous. So he's basically saying this Mississippi
politician is saying that when a person discharges genetic material
without the intent to fertilize an embryo, that that should
be against the law.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well, I think I think I have a hard time
with this because I think if you have sex, you
have to understand that that could result in a baby, right,
and you need to take responsibility if that happens.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
So is that what he's trying to say? Yeah, Like,
I think I think that he agrees that this law
is outrageous, But I kind of like the point he's making,
which is all of these laws like abortion and this,
and that they all affect women and men are fifty
percent of the equation. Like, women don't just end up
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getting pregnant by themselves, right, Yeah, So if I'm reading
this right, it seems so you get charged one thousand
dollars for the first offense, and then five thousand dollars
for the second offense, and then ten thousand dollars for
the third offense. So let's say, for example, that a
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girl gets pregnant and she wants to get an abortion.
I guess if she reports this guy, then she could
get one thousand dollars from him. Is that how because
he was in equal because he was an equal participant.
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But then if this guy.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Is anybody that gets pregnant by accident, a man's gonna
get fined.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
That's why I'm confused. Yeah, just in Yeah, it is
because a man understands that when he sticks his penis
in someone, he could get her pregnant. So even if
it's an accident, he's getting her pregnant. Listen, it makes
it kind of makes sense because like if a girl
gets pregnant by accident, she's still pregnant, still has to
deal with it. So so regardless of like if it
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was an accident, it was intentional, whatever, like, it's still
her problem. It's always the woman's problem. So do you understand. So, like,
let's say this guy does this three times and he
gets told on three times, then he would have to
pay ten thousand dollars. Like they're trying to make people
like maybe men especially be like, oh, if there's consequences
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to my actions, maybe I won't just be like common
inside every girl and getting are pregnant, making her deal
with it, you know what I mean? No, I agree
with that.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I'm just saying I'm confused about who qualifies for it
because you know, uh, people in committed relationships and marriages,
even could get pregnant by accidents, So are those people
punishable too, or only people that are reported and don't
want to claim responsibility for said child that result in
their action.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
I think a lot of it is like this is
not going anywhere. This is just us talking to it's
not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
But I'm totally for them making men more responsible because
it should not lay on the woman one hundred percent,
and dudes are just shooting it off and women deal
with no consequences at all having kids they don't even
know about, so like they should they should have consequences
because they would stop doing it if they got punished
for it.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
So there, So they're saying that the exceptions to this
law are if you donate or sold your sperm to
a facility for the purpose of future procedures to fertilize
an embryo. So that means like, if you're donating to
a sperm bank, you wouldn't be considered to be breaking
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the law. And then two discharged with the use of
a contraceptive or contraceptive method intended to prevent fertilization of
an embryo. So if the guy listen, this is exactly
how they could never ever put this law forth. He's
saying that if the guy used a condom, but that's
what he said, she said situation exactly, Like if he
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used the condom and he tried to stop it from happening,
then then it wouldn't be considered breaking the law because
he tried to use birth control. The other thing that's
not written here is like what about men that have
to go to the hospital and give a specimen for
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infertility issues or something like that or any kind of
because it says donated or sold. Like technically, if you're
going to the hospital to give a sperm sample, you're
not donating it or selling it. But it's a loophole
like for the just to get a diagnosis or if
you're posts besectomy or something like that, you know what
I mean, Like that would be considered and then really
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like any guy that ever jerked off, it would be
considered like it it's just kind of outrageous. There's no
way this is getting passed. There's no way they can
enforce this. Why don't they just make it equal for
every single person that has a child and then we
don't have to worry about who said what because it's
not I think the point is is that, well that's
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a whole other point, the whole child support it and
when when a kid's born, but like before the kid's born,
they're just trying to He's trying to emphasize that like
this shouldn't you know, to shult and all fall on
the woman to deal with. But like that that's what
it is. I don't know, it shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
But I feel like this is going to be more
harmful because then every single guy is gonna be like, well,
I use the condom or she said she was on
birth control, and then it's gonna No, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
If it's she said she was on birth control, it
was if the guy did something to prevent the birth
control that use the birth control. There's nothing say to
prove it. Yeah, I don't know. But I love the
name of this bill though, because its contraception begins at
erection bill. Listen. I think the idea of it is
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really good.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
I think men need to have more responsibility for being
irresponsible when they're having sex and it results in pregnancy.
And it's bullshit that women are one hundred percent responsible
and then get punished for certain aspects of it. But
I don't ever see how this is going to be enforced,
and I think it's gonna end up causing more stress
for the woman that's pregnant.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Okay, let's get on to this next story because this
is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
In Tampa, this guy said he adopted a quote carnivore
diet where he exclusively ate between six pounds and nine
pounds of cheese, sticks of butter, and daily hamburgers that
had additional fat incorporated to them. So at first, he
was saying that it was beneficial because he did lose
weight and he had more energy and more mental clarity. However,
he started to develop an unusual.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Condition, so he showed up at his doctor because he
had these unusual yellow marks all over his hands, and
the doctor did some testing and found out that his
cholesterol level was one thousand, and normally it should be
around two forty and his was one thousand, So his
cholesterol was extremely high. And what happens is when you
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have that much fat inside of the blood, it could
leak outside of the blood vessels, and these little cells
that are called macrifages, which were there to clean up
dirt and bacteria, they also can clean up some of
this fat. But when they're engulfing that much fat from
such a high cholesterol level, they are the fat globules
are getting larger and larger inside of the cells, and
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then they turn into these cells called foam cells, and
then you could see them deposited into the skin. And
what you're looking at right here in his hands, these
yellow deposits are actually cholesterol deposits, which are called xantholasma.
And it is a condition that you see when people
have really high cholesterol levels.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
So what can you do to treat this at this
point since it's so high? Will he just go on
medication or is this irreversible?
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yes he could. Well, there's all this debate about because
obviously when you have high cholesterol levels there is an
increased risk of having cardiovascular disease associated with that. But
then there's also this other school thought that people think
that maybe cholesterol levels should be a little bit higher
because the fats may out of or the brain is
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made out of fat, and it is better to have
a little bit more fat in your diet. But a
thousand I think that most medical professionals would agree, is
just this guy's like literally going to have a hamburger,
lodged in his coronary arteries and have a heart attack,
you know. So this doesn't happen to every single person
on a carnivore diet, so there has to be more
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studies done to see why it happens to some people
and not other people. But it's really interesting. He already
had a semi high cholesterol before he started, So before
he started, and he's a young guy. He was only
in his forties, and before he started, his cholesterol was
between two ten and three hundred, so actually it really
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wasn't that high, just slightly elevated towards the end. But
now being a thousand, he's going to have to I mean, luckily,
if he just stops eating like this, it'll it will
literally drop back down. But I don't think that he
should start taking medication. But the negative part of it
is is that this carnivor diet was doing well for him.
He lost weight, and he said he was having a
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clear a clearer mentality. A lot of people that do
the carnivorre diet say that they have less inflammation and
all this stuff. So I don't know what his doctor
is going to suggest to him for this particular circumstance
because he feels great, but this clearly isn't great. Just
look at the pictures it's deposited in his skin.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Well, it's all about balance in all these special diets, right,
So like obviously it's not working out in some regards,
So he has to find the balance in between all
the benefits he's seeing and then not having these like
yellow things coming out of him.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
Well, I don't know if there's really balance in a
diet like this because you have to you have to
put yourself into keytosis and you're you're doing this on purpose,
to this extreme thing to make your body react in
a certain way. So I'm not really I'm not really
sure like what the solution is for this guy. Yeah, Okay,
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other death news.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
So in November, this chick went to the DMV in
Maryland to renew her driver's LESSNSE and to her surprise,
found out that she was declared dead.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
This story is really scary actually, so this this case
is just so outrageous. What happened was this random person
died at a funeral home and when they submitted the
Social Security number of the person that died to the government,
they must have had a typo and they typed it
off only one number wrong, and that number so happened
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to be this woman who we're talking about right now.
So Social Security got winn that her Social Security number
that person was dead, so they essentially wiped her off
the planet. Like she can't get a driver's lacense. They
keep telling her that it appears that she looks like
she's dead and she's having a hard time just you
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would think you could call them and explain this simple mistake,
but it's not like that for her. It's being it's
absolutely terrible nightmare for her.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
It's been no and I mean her health insurance has
subsequently been canceled because of this. Then she received a
letter from the IRS saying she was the deceased taxpayer.
I can't imagine the government doesn't have a system in
place where you have to have all these different identifiable
features in the confirm that is the deceased person. Because
I'm thinking about when I even log into my student loans,
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I have to put in my social and my birthday
after I put my username and password, or just when.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
You pay a bill online, you have to put your
bank accounts twice, Like they just don't say, like, make
sure if it's this terrible when it goes through wrong,
Like the Social Security Office put out a statement that
said they have three million deaths reported a year and
they have no problems, which I don't believe because if
you've ever dealt with Social Security, they're the worst people
on earth.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
Please, Yeah, they don't have any problems. And this happened
to it every time, Yes, every time you deal with them,
it's a problem. Like it happened to another woman in
twenty twenty three. She said she ended up losing her home.
She couldn't get a mortgage or anything. She said, everything
has been stripped from me, unblocked as it would be.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
You can't get anything. So this particular woman, the one
that you're talking about right now, had to get her
name changed and everything, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
She had to change her name, She had to get
a new Social Security number. I mean, how are you
even proving that? And then that probably takes years to
go through.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I don't understand why they can't just give it back
to you. Why do you need a new one? It's
so weird.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It's really unbelievable because I'm just thinking of you know,
I when I changed my last name after I got married.
It was such a hassle. So to have somebody legally
declare me dead by accident and have to undo all
that shit. Why does she have to change her name?
Why does she have to change her social This is
not HER's That's exactly I had.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I don't even remember what it was, but I remember
there was like a huge issue with me getting my
when it was when I get married. It's funny because
most dudes, if you're healthy and stuff like, you don't
ever have to go to Social Security until you're an
old person, and like, unless you're changing your name, it's
the only time you have to go really and deal
with it. And that's and every single person that I
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talked to has some kind of issue there, you know.
So that and it's a government ran thing, So why
would you ever believe that things run smoothly. I don't know.
I feel bad for this chick though, like it it's
almost I guess it's equivalent to having your identity stolen.
But it's even worse because like think about government did it? Yeah, well,
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like just with health insurance and stuff, though, like nobody's
gonna give you stuff if you're dead. A credit card
or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
You know, well, I mean, somebody has to be responsible
for this if she incurs any bills or any damages
and the time in between that happened and her getting
it fixed. Either the funeral home needs to take responsibility
for the error or the government needs to make right
on that, because they should have a system in place
that this is nearly impossible to happen, which they might,
(01:01:58):
but I find it hard to believe that, you know,
they lined up her identity perfectly and accidentally declared her
did and we don't even know if it was a
person locally to her, or like a totally random person
in another part of the country that just had a
similar social to her one digit difference.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
You know, I don't really know about this because I've
never I guess this is strictly for funeral home things.
I don't know about the system that you submit to.
I would think that you have to put like name data, birth,
social Security number and stuff, but I like that would
make sense, so I don't know that's the case. I mean,
if if this happened to like another person, they could
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take this as an opportunity to be like, well, see
you guys, I'm gonna go move to another country, it
start a better life somebody else off the grid. I
don't know. This just it's really shitty.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
And she was just trying to do the right thing,
doing something everybody in this country has to do every
couple of years, which is just simply redo your driver's license.
And now this whole Pandora's box of problems open for her.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
It sucks. Hm hmm, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
So in Pennsylvania, poliska a call to do a welfare
check on this sixty four year old man, and when
they got to his house, they found him severely decomposed
and also fact, like you're gonna say severely dead, he
was severely dead and decomposed. And even worse, his family
was coming and going from his home, staying there overnight,
staying for extended periods of time.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Well, so, to their defense, they lived in a hoarded situation,
so those typically smell terrible. Maybe they just were like,
oh God, there's a dead animal under this pile of stuff,
or poop from an animal or something. I don't know
what they were thinking. You've smelled decomp Is it not
completely different from everything? It is completely different from every
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other spell in the world. But like also they're living
in a hoarded condition. Like people people have limits of
what they want, Like I don't want to smell that
in my house, but I also don't want shoes on
the floor in my house, you know what I mean,
Like people live different. People don't care, they don't you know.
I mean, I think now they're just kind of like, Okay,
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this might be a situation where they were completely aware
of what was happening, but like they're trying to financially
gain off this guy, whether he's still getting checks in
the mail or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
You know, yeah, like they don't suspect any foul play,
but they definitely think, you know, they were taking advantage
of using the property or his finances. I'm assuming he
was getting checks in the mail or something, and they
were probably just kind of even if he just owned
the house and they needed somewhere to crash. I mean, listen,
like this is beyond disgusting and weird. Don't get me wrong,
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I don't understand how you could especially they're saying it
was like severely decomposed six months. I'm thinking, like it's
partially like skeletonized remains. It probably smells terrible, might not
depending on the conditions that it's in. I don't know,
but I'm telling you, like, if you've ever been to
a hoarded house, like a legitimate one, people, if you
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ever even watch the show Hoarders, you could see that,
like the people wear respirator masks in there and stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
It's it's terrible. So it's not I'm not saying that
you wouldn't have smelled it, but like it could have
already smelled if you go in a situation where there's
a lot of animals living in feces and stuff, as
it is, like, it smells really terrible, so that smell
on top of it wouldn't be sticking out as much,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
The complete contrast from the story right before this of
this totally alive woman being declared dead and just not
being able to get a driver's license and heavy hair
health insurance canceled, and then this severely dead person as
you like to say, not being declared dead in his
family taking.
Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
All his money is insane.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, it really is. All right, Let's move on to
Questions of the Day. Every Friday at the at mothers
Death Instagram account, you guys could head over to our
story and ask us whatever questions you want. Is there
any prep work you guys need to do before an autopsy.
Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yes, to an extent, Like we especially in the hospital,
we would always look at a chart. We have to
make sure that the permissions are filled out correctly, the
body is in the refrigerator. There's all sorts of different
things that need to go on before you actually start,
because sometimes we would get an autopsy permission form and
the body was like still up on the floor with
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the family or something like that, and then we need
to make sure the permission form is filled out correctly,
like the proper Mexican has given permission. Everything matches all
the medical record numbers, data births, not social Security numbers,
but we have a bunch of numbers that we match up.
And then we usually look through the patient's chart, and
(01:06:34):
sometimes that could take a long time because like the
best ones are people that come in and die the
next day, but they don't really have much of a chart.
But there's people that are in the hospital for months
and their chart is like a big bible, huge thick
thing that you really have to go through and figure out,
like get a picture of what was going on before
they died, so that would be the prep work. Does
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Maria also work in forensics? Well, technically, neither of us
work in forensics, because you did more natural pathology. And
I have no.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Connection to this industry whatsoever besides you and being a
true crime fan.
Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, so I mean technically, technically you do a little bit.
You don't work in the field, but you're definitely immersed
in the field as far as writing about it. And
if you would talk about certain people like Patricia Cornwell
or something like that, she's a writer, right, she probably
was an English major. But also she knows a lot
(01:07:33):
about forensics, right, she writes about it all the time,
and she's really good at it. So just in a
different kind of part of the field. I would say for.
Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
You, yeah, I'm more I don't even know the proper
term for I would say, I'm more like a reporter
of sorts or a writer of sorts, right, But I
have no formal training or background in it. I'm just
I'm a fan that likes to research and write about it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
So yeah, and I have formal training in it, but
I don't prefer to work in forensics. I prefer natural pathology. Last,
who do you guys make fun of the most in
your family. Mom. She's just such an easy target.
Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I mean she also you know, people are like, it's
kind of messed up that you're always making fun of
your grandmom, and I'm like, it's really not, because she
really set up this family dynamic of us all busting
each other's balls off.
Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
We've made fun of her forever since, like Louis started talking, But.
Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
She set it up because she makes fun of us.
She makes fun of her.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, she's an easy target and her reaction is good,
Like she doesn't really get mad, she just gets like.
Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
No, like I asked them, I mean, we make fun
of her everything. If you've listened to the show beyond
this episode, you know, we make fun of her all
the time. And then something over the week No, something
that happened a couple days ago. I asked her over
the weekend if they wanted to watch the next Eagles
game at our house this weekend. And then I found
that hilarious meme that was like Grandma's when they don't
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have enough attention, and it was the Princess.
Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Bride throwing herself down the hill. And I sent that
to her.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
She said, maybe I'll do this Sunday instead of come
into your house. So we're always you know, it's ruthless
in this family environment. If you're ever at a family dinner,
it's pretty intense because it just is going back and
forth with everybody at all times.
Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
It is funny because like sometimes I don't see my
brother for a couple months in a row, and I'll
see them and then he'll come up to me, and
then five minutes later he'll be like, did you hear
what mommy did?
Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Or like it's always like every conversation and then it's like, oh,
there's never a gap, and like I and my brother's
not a text either, so it's like he might text
me back like one word.
Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
In three months. I don't talk to them on the phone,
I don't see them or nothing. And then it's like
right back to normal because something my mom did and
we're like what the hell and me and she's always
sitting right there. It's not like we're talking behind her back.
Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
And whenever she does something, and Gabe does it too,
and my kid my little ones do it too, and
my nephew does it too. They have like songs they
sing about my mom and and everything. They like make
fun of my mom, the little ones do.
Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
And whenever she does something embarrassing and I'm telling Ricky
about it, I'll say, your grandmother did.
Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
She she's just the easiest target. But we're all, we're all.
Really he calls her your grandmom.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
No, he calls her BEF. Well, pop up, lou QUILTERII,
my pop up. Your dad pronounces her name as b
e F, so we jokingly call her bef. So that's
what he calls her.
Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Gabe calls her momm.
Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I think if she had kids, he would probably refer
to her as because Gabe didn't call that until you
guys had Lillian and Louis. Yeah, so that makes more sense.
But no, we just call her biff. It is her name,
but it's also funny.
Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
All right. Well, thank you guys for submitting some stories
this week.
Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
That's where the Beast Reality Bus story came from. So
we love the listeners submitted stories. And if you have
a personal story, please submit it to Stories that Mother
knowosdeath dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I also beg you please stop asking questions.
Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
About ghosts in the Friday Questions story because we don't
really we're not super into ghost and there's more fun questions,
haven't I haven't I answered this a million times? Yeah,
and every week let me tell you guys, questions about
all right, let me tell you guys the story really
quick then so I could so I could end the
ghost questions. I So I used to work with the
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guy in the histology lab, which is the lab that
makes the slides for us and on this So he's
a histologist, but on the side he was a ghost hunter, okay,
And one day, so it was me and Friday, you know,
my autopsy partner, Frank, who's almost eighty years old. Now,
this is when we were working together, like fifteen years
ago or whatever, and he would he would come up
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to us and ask us like if he could come
around with his weird Geiger counter thing or whatever that
thing is that clicks, and he's like, do you ever
there's so many spirits in here to you guys. And
then I remember like Frank looking over at him.
Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
And being like, man, get the fuck out of here.
Like it was just so funny because we and Frank, God,
he's done so many autopsies, like cause he was doing
them back in the day when there was not as
much imaging used and everything like that he's done thousands
and thousands and thousands of autopsies. It's what he's done
his entire life. And he retired when he was pretty
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like seventy, you know what I mean. He was pretty
old when he retired. So and we both agree that
like in any circumstance of being around dead bodies, like,
we've never had a ghost experience. And we're trying to
tell this ghost hunter guy and he's just telling us
their ghosts everywhere, and we're like, well, I guess they
don't want to talk to us. I don't know. So
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so that's the end of it. There's no there's no
other there's no other drama with ghosts. Frank and I agree,
there are so many other questions to be asked, but
the ghost ones are there are so many every single week.
So that that settles it. Our ghost We settled the
ghost stories. Don't forget to leave us reviews guys too.
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You could just leave a star review. But written reviews
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Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
So those definitely help yeah, and you could do that
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Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I don't know if there's I don't think anywhere else
you could leave written reviews, but definitely hit Spotify or Apple.
We really really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Yes we do. But thank you guys so much.
Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
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