November 18, 2025 • 47 mins
In this week’s episode, Isaiah Thomas and C.J. Toledano check in from Boston as Isaiah receives a legacy award from The Sports Museum. They discuss: Isaiah's fondest memories from his time in Boston, Nico Harrison’s Dallas dismissal, Steph Curry parting ways with Under Armour, how NBA players land “player exclusive” shoes & the universal struggles of the SNKRS app.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to another additional point game with Isaiah Thomas and
j Toldono. As you can see, we are doing our
first ever live episode in person.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
In person, how does it feel?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Feels good? Now? This is dope and we're in Boston,
so you know.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's what I was going to bring up. So we
are in Boston, and not just for a nice little
fun trip. We are here because the city is honoring
you with a basketball legacy Award. Why don't you tell
us a little bit about what's going on here while
we're here and what that means to you.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
First off, Like, I'm super appreciative, Like I'm thankful even
my small time here in Boston, Like any type of
love and support I get from the city, the fans, community,
the organization is amazing.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So when they.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Came, you know, hit me up about the legendary award,
I believe it's called. And then I've seen all the
like the former guys who got these awards in different
sports in the city of Boston.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's definitely a pretty cool thing.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So I'm happy to be back, Like I'm not always
back here in Boston, so.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm happy to see some familiar faces and then just
you know, just to take in all the love and
support that I do get in this city, because that's mutual.
So I'm happy to be back. I'm thankful for the award.
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I mean, anyone who watches and falls the NBA knows that,
you know, you had such an incredible a couple of years,
you know with the Celtics, and you know, tell us
what made Boston so special to playing and living.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Man, It's just a little bit of everything.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Because before I played on Boston, like you'll come to
these games, you playing and you're getting up out of here,
like I'm not really seeing the city. I'm not really
doing anything that cool in this city because I didn't
really know too much. But when I got traded here
and then like my family started to like it, we
started to be in the city a lot, like interacting
in the community. It became like a second home. Like
(02:13):
I said, even if even though I was only here
for a short period of time, Like the loving and
support that I get from the community, the fans, the
organization is like you would think I've been here for
ten years, So that feeling is mutual. Every time I
come in the city, it puts a smile on my
face and people show a lot of love, so it's
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always super cool to be back.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, I mean our comments and even comments before we
started the show was like Boston needs to re sign.
But so when have you pulled up to any games
like since then, even just as like a as a
crowd member and people calling out your name.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
A couple of years ago, I came to a playoff game.
I was doing some NBA stuff and that was the
first time I was in Boston and at a game
as like a spectator, Like I went through normal ways
that I never even seen before that I didn't know about.
So when I came back for that, it was game
seven of maybe the Eastern Conference Finals that was playing
the Heat. They end up losing that game, which was
(03:11):
a tough one, but like being in the arena getting
a standing ovation, all of those things are like like
they just put a smile on my face, like just
to to get the love and support years down the line,
when a guy like myself didn't even win a championship year,
it just says a lot about the connection we had
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with each other, Like me and the city.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, well let's talk about that one year.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Where what was it fifteen sixteen or sixteen seventeen when
you finished fifth in NBA MVP, Yeah, MVP voting.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like what was it about that year?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You know, I would love to just even hear more
of your favorite moments as a Celtic now that we're
here in Boston, just celebrating that moment.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That year was just like I always say, it was
the best year of my career and kind of like
the worst year of my life because off the court,
I was going through a lot. Then I got traded
and things like that, and that's down the line. But
I mean that was a historical season, not just individually,
like we're the number one seed in the Eastern Conference.
(04:14):
We did so many things that people didn't expect of us.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I missed that.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Team, like it was a really close knit group, the
guys that really liked each other and not just playing
with each other, but playing for each other. And I
was like a special group. And even though I was
around guys this morning at the facility, just people in
the organization and everybody always just brings up that year
like no matter, you know, they won a championship in
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twenty twenty four, I believe and people still bring up
that year and just in terms of like the amount
of fun fans had, the community had, the organization had,
and then just the type of team we had, Like
we were just counted out from the jump. Nobody believed
in us, and I was kind of like the circumstances
around that team. Know, there was all a bunch of
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guys that were kind of like looked over, second round pick,
some guys undrafted. So it was like we all came
together with that big chip on our shoulders and it
was a even though we fell short in the Eastern
Conference finals, it was a super dope year for everybody
that was a part of that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, you gu's made a nice little playoff runt. And
I love like there are teams that I've been a
fan of, people have a fan of where it's like, oh,
the roster doesn't say championship, but there is that like
brotherhood you got, Like people don't realize that the players
liking each other and wanting to be around each other,
that chemistry can lead to some w's.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We're gonna lead to everything, They're gonna lead to championships.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I mean you see that with Okay, see in today's game,
like they genuinely like each other, even if they don't
they're faking it, like they seem like they really they
seem like a college, like a college team, even like
Detroit Pistons seemed like a college atmosphere, seemed like they
there's no ego or pride. Everybody kind of everybody like
(06:04):
wants each other to be successful. That's hard to come
around when you go to professional sports because guys are
getting paid, guys have families, there's so much other things
outside influence that happens in professional sports. It kind of
makes teams not as close. So when you see a
group of guys that play for each other, they like
being around each other, Like those are the groups you
(06:27):
tend to fall for and watch because they're they're fun
to play with. They they like each other's success. That's
hard to come by. So we had a really good group.
I wish we could have stayed together, which health was
on our side. Obviously I got hurt, but like if
we if we didn't have no injuries, like we were
one of them teams that were coming for years to
(06:48):
come for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, I mean people you know when you didn't when
you got traded to the Cavs and people say you
didn't resign, you didn't get that super max because of
your hip, Like what was sort of going through your head?
Like how tough was it to leave here? And then
when did you finally feel like you know, like that's
in the past. I gotta keep it moving.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It wasn't in the past until like I got healthy again.
Like I always say, if I got traded to Cleveland
and I was one hundred percent healthy, like right when
I started playing, training camping, then I would have moved
past everything because I'm playing, I'm focused on something different.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I'm one hundred percent healthy.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But at that time when I got traded, I didn't
play till like the middle of January. So I go
from getting traded in August to not playing till January.
It was somewhat difficult to move on seeing watching the
Celtics play, watching my new teammates playing, I can't compete
with them, so it was tough. But once I got
healthy and was able to play the game again, like
(07:47):
I wasn't really tripping on what happened, Like obviously it
was a tough situation. I felt like I gave my
heart to this city, this organization, and to be a
franchise player and to be traded out of nowhere. It
was tough top of being hurt, but like out of
all people, I understood the business. Like people will always
be like, oh, you keep bringing it up. It was
(08:08):
like the media was bringing it up.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I wasn't. I wasn't. Yeah, like I wasn't talking about it.
I just had to.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I just had to answer those questions. So like, and
then at the end of the day, I'm human, so yeah,
I had real feelings, like I had real love for
this city and organization, and I wanted to keep it going.
But like I said, at the end of the day,
I understand the business one hundred percent, and I understand
some things happened that you know, both sides don't really
want to happen, but for the business side of it,
(08:36):
it makes sense. So you find ways to continue to grow,
continue to move on, and continue to you know, just
keep competing and doing things with a small interface. And
I tried to do that the best I could. As
I got older, I started to not even obviously think
about it as much.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But as a basketball.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Player, as a human, yeah, you always look back and
be like or you think about those things, what if
this happened?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
What?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But as you get older, you understand you can't control
a lot of things and you got to move on
as as best as you can.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean, and just you know, because there's so many
armchair you know, critics you know, talking about oh he's
not moving on or like whatever. But it's like, imagine
to these people out there, and I'm speaking of it,
and just from the fan standpoint, like if I had
my dream job, I found my perfect situation. I was,
you know, getting promoted and whatnot, and then one day
I walk into like, oh, you're out, Like to me,
(09:30):
that's actually happening to me in my life. It's me
like four years to get over You're in the NBA,
you find a perfect fit.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The city is.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Behind you, you know, some of the most legendary games,
and I mean the fact is like, yeah, maybe it
took you a little bit to get over. I feel
like Boston still hasn't gotten over it because they're giving
you an award this week.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, no, they I mean they haven't like anybody on
social media, anybody I interact with when I see people
on the streets, I mean everybody hates that trade, but
like even even though they hated, they got a championship
out of something years down the line, which I know
they're they're excited and happy for, but like a real fan,
(10:07):
like they have real feelings into this all business aside. Yeah,
you you feel that for sure because it was it
was a real connection and everything was just on the
up and up.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
So you know, it's tough, but you live and you learn,
you move on.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You you you enjoy those experiences even if you know
they're not always super positive and in your lane, but
you know, things happen.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
If I if I can ask you, like, how how
is the relationship with.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Danny Age now? If you ran into him? Have you
have you talked to him?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Since you know it's like you said, it is a business,
but like, have you guys been able to chat at.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
All about it?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, Danny, we've we've talked a few times. We don't
necessarily talk about that, but like I got a friendship
with Danny, Like, yeah, that shit hurt and that was tough.
Like I felt like he was wrong in every way,
but like he had a job to do. I had
a job to do. He made a decision you move forward.
(11:08):
But yeah, I still talk to Danny. Even when I
was in the G League. He came to my games.
He like Danny will will always be somebody that I
can talk to, somebody that is bigger than basketball. And
he just had a job to do and he did it.
And as I got older, take the feelings out of it.
It's like, it is what it is. I think honestly,
(11:32):
I think he feels bad for it as well, and
it's and it's all good at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know, he moved on.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
He's not even a He's a part of the Utah
Jazz organization. So like everybody has to move on at
some point, and we both have.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And even just going back to the landscape of the
NBA that year, that summer was crazy because it was
like the year after you know, Katie and the Warriors
won and everyone was like, how do we beat this team?
And everyone was making rash decisions and Kyrie asking out,
so it's like, people get it's just a domino effect
that can happen because that was a late trade going
into it, and so yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It was, I mean it was it woke the world up. Yeah,
and then fast for hour to rewind. It's like I
really the number one pick got traded for the sixtieth
pick in the same draft seven years later something.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So people don't really realize.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That, Like it don't matter where you are in that draft,
Like I tried to tell young guys growing up, you.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Get picked first or last.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Like after that night, nobody gives it, nobody cares, nobody cares.
You just got to put your hat on and grind.
So to put it in perspective, it's crazy to think
about that. Right seven six, seven years down the line,
we both get traded for each other, and you know
all she rode after that.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I mean, and then that Cavs team too, was just
like people were just trying to throw the kitchen sink
at other teams. You know, like you were hurt, and
that's why I want to remind people you were hurt.
But like they put you on a squad with d Rose,
Dwayne Wade, like and the fact that it didn't work out.
But it's just like fit matters, like you said, like
everyone there's a bond, there's a you know, people got
(13:05):
to be healthy, and it just it didn't fit in
that system.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, I think it was just a lot a lot
going on with that, Like it was more so it
was like seven or eight new guys to a roster
that's been together for years, it's been competing together. One
of their major pieces ended up getting traded and more
major pieces come in that. You know, it was difficult.
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D Rose was hurt at one point, I was hurt
most of the time. D Wade wasn't all the way healthy.
And then people forget like we had a seventeen game
win streak at one point that year, so like things
weren't as bad as people thought. It's just with having
a guy like Lebron James on your team and having
a magnifying glass on everything that you do, it was
(13:51):
just magnified. The negative would just magnify way more than
it really needed to be. And I do think, you know,
I talk too much about the situation. I think they
panicked it as well. Like we were built to be
a playoff team. We were built to do damage in
the playoffs with guys like d Rose, d Wade, Kevin
Love j R. Smith Like to even be in that
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locker room and see those type of guys each and
every day, it was it was unreal and not even
in you know, you still got Lebron James, you got
like Jay Crowd, you got so many guys that we
were built to play in the playoffs, not to be
a regular season team. So like my selfish self, I
wish they gave us more time and see what we
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could have done in the playoffs than made stuff happen.
But that opportunity in that situation was super dope to
be a part of, even though it wasn't the best
for myself, Like I wasn't able to show my you know,
my one hundred percent self. But like seeing Lebron James
each and every day work work on his body, be
a professional. See Dwayne Wade, like guys that I looked
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up to. Sitting next to d Rose on the play
and each and everyday chopping it up with him, and
he don't really talk to anybody. So like I became
really close with d Rose that year. That was like
amazing for me. So childhood friend Kevin Love, I used
to stay the night at Kevin Love's house. He's an
Oregon guy, but I played for Portland AAU team, So
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every weekend I would take the train, stay the night
at Kevin's house. Rest in peace to his dad's staying.
His dad would pick me up from the train station.
Like so, like all those things, being able to be
a part of such a legendary team, even though it
didn't work out like we wanted it to, those are
moments that would last forever.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Okay, going back to the Celtics one more time before
we end this part of the show, I want to
know who was your favorite Celtics teammate of all time.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
My favorite Celtic Evan Turner. No, no, I don't even
think about that. That that's my guy. I've known ever since,
like sixteen fifteen, sixte year old was we was at
where it was ABCD camp, got invited to one of
the top camps in high school camps in the country
and we actually did a photo shoot which was hella funny,
(16:07):
a slam photo shoot. But Brandon Jennings had like the
Jordan gear, like the top dogs. Brandon Jennings were the
top dog. He had the Jordan gear. I think I
had McDavid on like I had. That's at the beginning
when McDavid just came out. I had the armband. Man,
I don't know what Evan had. Evan might have had
(16:29):
p Miller gear. I think they had because look, d
DeMar de Rozen was in the P Miller gear too,
and they had the bro they had a seventy six
ers jersey, they had P Miller. So we got to
ask Evan that because I'm not sure what he was in.
But it was hilarious because if you was the top dog,
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you was in the Nike Jordan. We were just maybe
the add ons to the to the photo shoot. But
it was dope because it came out in slam. That
was one of the big first big things that we
really ever did together. And then fast forward, I get
traded to Boston and then like we clicked, like we
click like that from day one. Nah, we didn't even
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talk until we see each other until we went I
met with the team, and then we was like this
ever since, like that was that's my dog. Like we
we would butt heads at times and we was always
end up being cool and someone anytime I'm asked that question,
like obviously by kids kids, they asked that they want Lebron,
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they want d Rose, they want all those type of guys,
which those were great teammates will but the one I
connected with the most definitely was Evan turned that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, so a little teas.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
We're gonna have Evan on the show next, So I
don't want to get into too many of those stories.
I do want to ask you because it's just it's
fascinating here, and you know, you said it with Kevin Love,
you said it with it with Evan. Like you guys
were young when you first met, going to these camps,
you know, roommates and all this stuff, Like did you
guys have moments where you're just like, we might make
it to the league and you guys like dreaming about
(18:02):
that stuff, talking about it and then running into each
other in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We didn't necessarily have talks about it growing up, but
everybody was on that same journey. So to see guys
at camps, see guys at the top AAU tournaments, and
compete with those guys. Then like fast forward six seven
years down the line, guys are getting drafted, guys are
on NBA teams living out their dreams. So we would
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definitely be on the Celtics at a hotel, say we
in Milwaukee. We'd be in a hotel together, chopping it up,
listening to music, watching games, and really talking about that,
like talking about the memories and all the things that
we've been through to be on a legendary team on
the Celtics, playing high level basketball together. Like, yeah, you
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dream of playing in the NBA, but you don't dream
of those moments.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That's cool, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So next episode, Evan Turner coming on. We're gonna get
those stories. But right now we're gonna take a break
on point game and they we're gonna come back and
talk more about.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
What's going on in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Right now, all right, we're back on point game. One
of the craziest news I've gotten in a while happened
a few days ago. Steph Curry left under Armour, which
is like, you know, you get Sham Sham's bombs and
all that, like woes or whatever, and it's like player traded.
But Steph leaving under Armour was like earthshaking to me.
(19:26):
What was your reaction seeing that?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Surprising?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I think my son has sent that to me or
some but surprising. You would never especially once he signed
there and then how successful it looked like it's been. Yeah,
you would think he was the rest of the way
he was going to be under Armor. So that's surprising.
But that might shake some stuff up a little bit
in the sneaker world.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, I've been wanting to talk to you because you
were as a sneakerhead myself, and I was like, look,
you know when I watch games or see pictures and
always like, what are you rocking? Yeah, I would say
you and maybe a couple other guys, maybe you and DeMar,
I would.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Say, are the MVP of Kobe Pees.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So I wanted to and before anybody like, I feel
like there's a real big Kobe wave right now, obviously
with Nike releasing stuff, but you've been rocking Kobe's for
a long time, so let's start there. Tell us about
how you how you decided Kobe was like your shoe
of choice, and then also how you got into the pees.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
So when I first got in the league, I was
a rebox athlete. Yeah, so my first three years in
the league, shout out the Rebox because they signed me.
I'm the sixtieth pick. Nobody gets shoe deals being being
that late in the draft, so they signed me to
a three year deal. Shout out to b Lee over
there at Rebok And it was amazing because those when
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I first got my first pees, like I got my
iverson p's our Questions.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I got Kama Kazips.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And that was a surreal moment for me because of
growing up like as most guys are, like, I'm a
shoe fanetic, like I'm I'm a I'm a fan of
all types of basketball shoes, shoes you wear off the court.
So it was crazy for that to happen, like early
on in my career and me be able to pick
out the color waves of certain shoes. That'st forward a
couple of years after that. Nico Harrison, who was head
(21:13):
of basketball at Nike, I had a relationship with him
for a while and once my deal got up with Reebok,
He's like, man, it's time to come to the family.
And then when I was in high school, I was
a Nike athlete as well. So I signed with Nike
in twenty fourteen, I think fifteen, and then I got
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to meet Kobe. I met Kobe a little bit before that.
I got to talk to him on the phone a
couple of times, and he mentioned to Nico about, you know,
getting the team Kobe together of guys he thought would
represent you know, his his shoe the best way. DeMar
Derozen obviously number one MVP, Like he's the MVP in
terms of rocking Kobe's. He got in the league before me.
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He was rocking Kobe's in college when I was watching,
when I was rocking Kobe's as well. But I would
say he's the number one Kobe guy for sure. I'll
put myself one B or two or number two right
right behind him.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
But fast forward that as well, when I.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Start getting pees, when I start meeting with Nike and
they're coming to my house in the summertime, they got
booklets of all the p's they want me to wear,
the colorways, so like, to be in those meetings was crazy,
Like I never, like I dreamed of being an NBA player,
having my own shoe and all that, but not even
thinking I'm gonna be in meetings like this in terms
of certain colorways, I'm wearing certain dates, all star colorways,
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all of that. So to sit down and be in
those meetings with Nike and pick out certain shoes that
I'm gonna were at certain times, it was like those
were that I made it. Moments like Dang Kobe really
picked me DeMar de Rosen, He picked Devin Booker to
really represent his brand and Kobe's my favorite player of
all time. So when that news came to me from
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Niko and the team, it was like, it's a no brainer.
So around I think twenty fifteen sixteen is when I
start getting my Kobe pes, and it was just it
was everything, Like to be able to rock my favorite
player shoot, but to be able to rock it with
my own player exclusive that I had a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Of touch on. It was like it was everything.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Like I still smile to this day because I gave
away so many Kobe pes that I'm so mad at myself.
But giving away obviously that was before you know, my
guy passed away.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Rest in peace, Kobe.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
But I just thought they would be coming forever, you know,
like obviously you think Kobe gonna be here forever as well,
But like I thought they were just gonna be coming forever.
That's why when somebody would asks during the game, like man,
can I get those? Can I somebody back at the crib,
can I get that colorway, it was like, hell, yeah,
I'm gonna be getting unlimited of these, So it's good.
(23:55):
So there's a few pair that I don't have anymore,
and I wish I had, just because I was being
so nice and generous and giving them away. But like,
I'm always be team Kobe. I'm always represent the brand
Kobe to the death. And like you said, like everybody's
wearing Kobe's now, all the colleges got them, which is
super cool, but it ain't nothing about It ain't nothing
(24:20):
like having.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Your own player exclusive when it comes to Kobe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, and the fact that because I remember the Cavs
colorway they released, I remember people trying to get those,
and then obviously it's like that's something that I feel
like a lot of players don't don't get to experience.
Not only are they you know, you get your own shoot,
but then you see other kids out there walking your
pees amazing, that's really crazy, and.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
They're like, I mean, shout out to Nike, shout out
to Kobe, shout.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Out to everybody behind the scenes who like made that
dream come true. Because I didn't even think that was possible.
I was just wearing the ones that came out in stores.
And then Kobe wants to put some little flair on mine.
And then even like the Cleveland ones where on the
tongue you had the chip on the tongue, because my
chip tooth and the play like it had the space
needle in the insoul because I'm from that area of
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the Seattle, Ta Coma area.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They just I told you that PU was a surprise.
I didn't know that was coming.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And then if you check the Nike sign, it's a
little Nike sign for for how.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Little I am and the Mighty I T.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Like Kobe named me Mighty I T so like it's
crazy and those those Kobe's was the Mighty I T Edition,
So he gave.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Me that nickname.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I'm forever like I'm forever got to give Kobe and
you know, the brand the love and support it it
deserves because a kid growing up being able to wear
his favorite player shoes, be able to put my own
flare in it, that's you don't You don't even dream
of the stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well, so tell me specifically even just to pull back
the curtain even more for fans like so we're like
general releases showing up at your house and then the
pees like or were you did you ever have to
buy a pair of Kobe's back then?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Now I'm only really buying a Kobe if I just
really wanted and I haven't got it yet so like, yeah,
they're coming, they're coming. Any team of mine, the ones
I'm wearing are coming to the facility boxes. And then
and then like the regular joints, Yeah they're they're they're
sending those to me. So to this day, I'm still
getting all the regular joints for sure. I just don't
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got no pes.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well that's what I remember. Seeing a tweet from you
and I feel your pain here. You tweet it and
it's a joke, but you're like, man, the sneakers app
sucks because I think you were trying to get those
kitling clerk Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Man, because I'm like, the sneaker app is bad.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I know, I'm trying to fix it. I haven't hit.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
One time, and I don't do it all the time,
but like if I'm up at that time and I
see it, I got a notification, I'm definitely tapping into it.
I haven't hit one time and the sneaker app being
for a minute. So that's Jay's, that's Kobe's, so whoever's
part of that sneaker app.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But just give me one. I just want one.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Give them a special link or something.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I actually I do got one story. They had a
special link for me once and that shout out to
my Nike connect. I don't know how I pressed it,
it was there, but he said press it now and
you're good. I don't know if I'm supposed to say
any of that, but what you who did that?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I don't even know what shoe? Who did that? Can
I get that once a month every.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now and then? That's yeah, just give them the link.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Whatever you did that time where I got, I got it.
So I'm not gonna lie. I got sneaker app whoever
made that happen I got. I don't even remember what
shoe it was, but I got. I got one in
my whole time, So I'm like one for thirty five
probably all right.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
So how many sneakers you think you've got in your
collection right now?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Total?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I mean, and this is not basketball shoes.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Let's say basketball shoes.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I mean, I would say a few hundred, three hundred,
and I give away a lot, especially like people in
from where I'm from, Like I'm giving them. Every body
got my shoes I'm giving away. It's just obviously it's
a nice thing to do. But like I've always been
like that. There was one summer I gave your probably
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a hundred pair of shoes, and I was like, there
was a reason for it, but dang, it was.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Right before the it was right before.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
The shoe the shoe the shoe culture start booming, Like
there was some exclusive I gave away that I'm upset about.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But you know, hopefully somebody's rocking them.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
If you got one of It's pes send us a
picture in the Don't sitd on Pictures, send it back.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I give you another little gift. Send me back my peas, Man,
I need them.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, before we get off this story, So Steph he
rocked He rocked the Mamasitas the other night, which was
again it just it made me feel like I was
in another dimension, another reality. But he talked about the
importance of that shoe, you know, and which was incredible.
But you know, what do you think Steph is gonna
do now?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Is it enough for him to have his own brand?
Does he joined another brand like we saw this with Kobe.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know, he went to the Secret Free Agency.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So it'll be interesting to see what he does.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But what do you think?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I don't know, Like he's big enough to have his
own right like and to be successful. So I don't
know if he wants to go in that direction. Obviously
people will probably that wrong. He just do his own
but like maybe he wants to try Nike again, maybe
he wants to go Jordan Brand and do it different.
You never know, So I don't know. I don't know
where his head is at. It was definitely a surprise
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to me. It was super dope to see him in
some Kobe's for the first, you know, shoe that's.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Not under armour.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I knew he wasn't gonna play no, no, nothing under
the under armour though, just because but it was super
dope to see him playing those particular Kobees too, because
those mean a lot to the to the world for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, that was dope.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, So you actually had brought up Nico Harrison, head
of Nike Basketball for anyone didn't know that, so he
was obviously already playing huge roles in the basketball world.
He was recently let go by the MAVs, to put
it lightly, like people were upset about the Luca trade.
So not even you know, I would love to hear
just what you think about that, that move, that firing
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and the Luca the Luca trade like, how much longer
now that Nico has gone, how much longer do you
think the MAVs are going to be sitting in that
sort of dark shadow of Luca leaving and what have
they got to do to move forward?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I'm not sure. I think it's a tough situation.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I think Nico was gonna lose lose ever since he
made the trade, unless he made the trade last year
and they won a championship last year.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
But I feel like he was even in the lose
lose then say you.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Win a championship next year, A year, six months later,
they're still going to be thinking about Luca just because
how much of a superstar he is, how good he is,
how young he is, and then he's in the Western
Conference over there and the Lakers doing his thing. So
I think you're just always going to be reminded of
Luca because how special he is and how special he's
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going to continue to be. So I think you were
were they were always going to have that little great
cloud over their head, no matter how successful they were,
just because like that's a once in a lifetime talent
that you really, you know, traded in the prime of
his career. I don't even know if he's in his
prime yet, that's what's crazy. So exactly. So it's like.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It was a tough situation and night Nico's my guy.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I got real love for him. I think he knows
the game of basketball at a high level. Obviously, he
was Kobe's right hand man for ten fifteen years, so
like he knows the game. But in that sense, I
just think there was a there was going to be
a great cloud over his head, in the organization's head
until he was out of there. But I think that's
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not really going nowhere either, Like unless they go on
to thirty game winning streak and they have the best
season ever, it's still always going to be like, dang,
we had Luca, Dang, we like.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Why did we do that?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
So I think it's a tough situation all the way around.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But again, one of them business decisions where.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
He felt he felt that was the best decision for
the organization he's running. And yeah, I think the world's
gonna fault him, But everybody's not in that locker room
each and every day.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Everybody's not around that organization to where.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Maybe something that came up to where he had that
that red light to where he wanted to make a
move like that, but.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It's just a tough situation because.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So many people are on the outside looking in and
you just don't make a move like that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
It seems like it just.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It seems like a common theme here is the business.
Guys got to kind of play doctor a little bit
and they're predicting, you know, how much you know, are
they injured? Is this a long lasting thing? Let's make
some moves now. That saw a window and he went
for it, and you know, sometimes that stuff pays off.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And then for just like eighties heard Kyrie's heard like,
so that's that's what I'm saying, Like in terms of
the lose lose, Yeah, you get the number one pick.
Guys aren't healthy. That's on you to the outside the
world looking in like that. And it sucks because I
don't think he got a fair shake just to start
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the year, like you don't have ad AD's out, Kyrie.
Obviously we know it's coming back later in the year.
You're experimenting with Cooper putting them at the point. So
it's a lot of things that is outside of his control,
but one thing that was in his control was he
did make the decision to trade Luca, but not even that,
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like the owner got a okay that too, So like
there needs to be some heat on others as well,
So like just to keep it a one hundred percent realists.
He Nico's not the one that approves it. He brings
it to whoever the ownership and says, this is what
I believe will be best for organization. He might have
made it seem amazing and the owner rolled off on it.
(33:58):
So but I did see the owner did take responsibility
for what's happened. And hopefully at some point that city
and organization that can move on. But they won't move
on into Luca's done with the NBA because he's just
he's going to be so good for so long that
they're just going to be reminded of it each and
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every day.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we saw Luca. He got he
got in better shape. You know, this season he's putting
up forty to fifty, Like it's wild, I mean, and
who knows if he would have done that, you know,
being not complacent, but like you know, his old ways
were sort of working in Dallas already, but they just
they lit a fire under it, and the Lakers are
off to a hot start, it'll be.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So it hurts every win the Lakers have every forty
point triple double he has, They're just going to be upset,
and like rightfully so as a fan, because you it's
hard to trace somebody like that away.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
But we've lived and we learned through those type of
things as well.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I have some Maps fan friends that became Lakers fan,
and that's how much like Luca for sure transcended the city,
transcendent basketball, like they like to rooting for that guy.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I mean, the world loves it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, it's like Luca Magic, Like he's he's hard not
to love. And then he's done his job of getting
into shape making the game look even easier.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So it's a hard little situation.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
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I'm gonna go with Luca going against the Jazz. I
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Speaker 2 (36:49):
All right, welcome back to point game.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We are now going to play another game. We introduced
it last week called restricted Area. I'm going to try
to bring up an NBA storyline and it can have
the option to say that's restricted area. I'm not talking
about it, but so far we've been unsuccessful and our
dude over here is just open book all the time.
So the first one, I don't know if you saw this,
(37:10):
it was a highlight. James Harden had a crazy crossover
ankle breaker on Peyton Pritchard of the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
He got me good. He got me Good's first time
I've gotten got like that, and I don't know when.
So it was a heck of a move.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I'll be fine, my ankle be fine, but he did
so he made me touch earth for a second.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So what did you think about that?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Were you surprised that James still has it, and then
I want to know, also, what was your best ankle
breaking moment in your career.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I did see the James Harden on on My Guy.
Those are both of my guys too, so it's tough.
James Harden. First off, to answer your question, James Harden
does still have It's still got it you, so he's
still difficult to guard. One thing about James Harden is
super cool. When he does these moves. He makes the
shot for the most part. Like I remember the movie
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did I think years ago against Wesley Johnson when he
was on the rockets same area too, and when he
dropped him, but he didn't go in for the floater.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
He just looked at him and did the shot.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
So James Harden is successful and making guys fall and
making the shot because that's hard to do, make the
shot because.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
All the pressure builds. I gotta finish the man.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, tough, So shout out to James my guy, Pete Pritchard.
That's tough, but at least it was by one of
the best players to ever play. To answer your question
of ankle breakers, I'm not an ankle breaking guy, but
I've had a few good moves. I would, I would
if we could bring up. I was on the Kings.
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I think it was my second or third year. We
was playing the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I did a little move.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I'm not even gonna say I made Steph fall like
the move. He just happened to fall. And then I
did a one leg It was in a shot like
I did a one legged three pointer off the glass.
I think it was at Sacramento. And I'm gonna take
that one. Yeah, just from my kids, I'm gonna take that.
I'm Hooper to Hooper.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I don't think the cross made them fall, but it
was timely. It looked like it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Still people count, some people will count some trips or whatever,
but you made the floater three.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Look, step I'm gonna say I dropped you.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I'm gonna say I dropped you just because all love
and respect. But i'm gonna say I dropped you and
I hit the shot just because I.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Haven't dropped nobody. So I'm gonna take that one. Today.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
We're gonna look that up. We'll cut that together. Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
The All Star Game, so they announced officially. There was
a rumor for a minute that they're gonna change the
format because they've been having some difficulty in making the
most entertaining product it can be. So they're gonna do
a USA versus the World because the game is pretty
international these days. So what do you think about that format?
Do you think it's enough to save the All Star weekend?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I think it's interesting enough to do that. I think
it's gonna be hard to save the All Star weekend.
Guys want rest, Guys don't really go as hard. But
I think this would be a bragging rights type of
situ situation, like, Okay, now we're playing for some we're
playing for pride at least like USA versus the world.
Obviously we see those talks. All the world's caught up
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to the US in terms of basketball. So I think
if you have a little hype to it, you add
a little hype to it, maybe add a little more money.
I think guys would take take heed and going a
little harder in terms of representing your country, representing the world,
represent the US. So I think the NBA is doing
a good job of trying to implement more things to
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make it interesting not only for the player but for
the fans.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I'm excited for this.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
This might be the first year where we get some competitiveness,
We get them old All Star Games where you know
Kobe was there. Just that's what it is, though, That's
what it is. The best player has to play the
hardest and everybody will fall in line. So whoever the
top dog is, if he goes all out, I promise
you That's what it was with Kobe, Jordan, all those guys,
(40:57):
even early on with Lebron, Like the best player go
all out, everybody follows suit.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well, And I also think too, there's you know, we
watched the last Olympics USA, Frank, like there's some resentment
in some revenge that's gonna happen more immediately than having
to wait for the next Olympics. Like we all remember
that iconic Steph you know, jump over Wenby.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
He got him again the other night.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But like this is like all those guys were like USA,
every every Olympics they beat us, there were always a
default gold medal.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Like now they get a chance every year.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Exactly, and it's just gonna spice it up a little more.
So then when then we when we when we when
we beat that behind in the All Star Game, comes summertime,
we're gonna do it again to the world. You know,
So if I'm if I'm a part of it anyway
the All Star weekend, I'm making sure I'm talking stuff.
I'm making sure the game is going to be exciting
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because the guy's gotta talk mess.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
You gotta we gotta get it. We gotta talk mess
on our pod.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
We everybody around the basketball world got to talk a
little bit of a little bit of junk to get
it going.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
When we were talking about before this, like they need
to implement a one on one the king of the courts.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
And you never know, you never know.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I think if they do and you get a top
dog to be in it, the other top dogs will
fall a suit.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
And yeah, what do you think it takes to get
a big guy to play like that? Because I feel
like some guys, you know, they have so many endorsements
or like they're trying to rest and recover.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Man, the biggest thing is they don't want to get embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
So the top dog NBA guys, guys that are getting
paid do not want to get embarrassed and not be
able to blame someone else. One on one is a
tough situation because you can't blame nobody else, And I
think that's the biggest thing. But you know, money talks.
You put you put a nice little cash prize on it.
(42:43):
You might get some stars out there to show the
world that they they shouldn't be messed with.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, who would you pick in King of the Court
NBA right now, yourself included.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Nobody's beat me one one.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Okay, what's your what's your strategy?
Speaker 4 (42:57):
If you two guys, the NBA guys, this is a
call out to any and everybody. Nobody's beating me one
on one in basketball. Give me a nice ref like
we're not just gonna be following each other. Nobody's beating
me one on one. I don't think you could be
six to eleven winby might.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Beat me.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
If you're just pulling up on threes winb might.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That's that's the only one. Anybody else.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
It's gonna be a tough It's gonna be a little
tough situation for anybody, but anybody besides myself. You gotta
go with KDS. You gotta go with Kyrie healthy Kyrie.
Nobody's probably messing with that. You gotta go with guys
that are really one on one guys like they can
go not only play one on one.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Inside, you can go.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
To a cement court and play one on one. Those
are gonna be the guys that are gonna be the
best guys.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
That's what it's built.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
When we're growing up and you only got another friend there,
or you pup on the court and one.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
On one, are you gonna NBA need to do two
on two to two on two, that'd be okay, Tatty.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Let us fix the All Star.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, just let us do it. Well, we'll come up
with all the ideas.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
At first, we might not get the stars to play
because they'll just be chilling, but we'll get the you know,
the role guys to get get to it.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, all right, final story, Uh, interesting enough, lebron he's
getting healthy, the Lakers assigned him the G League, and
in that same couple of days, Bronny got to start
for the Lakers. Again, what alternate reality we're living in?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Can you talk on that?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Like, I guess you know, it was a that's just
kind of how it goes. Maybe you can explain that,
like getting a sign of G League and getting ready
to go up to the back to the league.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, but for for bron it was just probably getting
a scrimmage in being able to get up and down
with that team.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
I think it's super dope.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Then a guy like Lebron James goes to the G
League to play against and with those guys in practice.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Those are some guys that look up to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
They's never really been able to be on the same
court as him, So for him to interact with those guys,
high five with those guys, that's probably.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
A surreal moment for those G League guys.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
And for it to happen in the same week to
where Briani gets to start in the NBA and his
dad be suiting up for a G League practice is
the timing is crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But that's how basketball is, man, So it's it.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
I think it was a super cool feeling for those
guys in that G League organization to be a brown
Lebron and see them and play against them. And then
obviously it's super cool that Briani got the start.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Well, I mean, so you've played in G league before, Like,
what is that like with the younger guys who watched
you and were fans of you, Like, what's that moment
like when you can impart.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Some of that It's amazing because you see it on
their face like they they they're fans first and then
teammate second. Like they want to ask questions you go
to eat or you got lunch after practice. They're asking
so many questions they would ask if we weren't on
the same team.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
So it's a surreal moment.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Obviously in the G League is a little different, but
like it's super dope to chop it up about my experiences,
about the things that they're about to see in their
in their journey, and just to be able to interact
with those guys and not only do that but compete
as well and show them that.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, there is levels to this. There's levels to it
for sure.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
That's dope.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
All right, Well that's another episode of Point Game. Look
at all these nuggets were constantly Next week, tune in,
make sure you tune in. We got a special guest.
As we teased earlier, Evan Turner. I can't even imagine
what stories are going to be doing.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
We're not even gonna be able to talk.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say hello, and I'm
gonna go.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
He's gonna do it all.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
That's my guy man shout out to et National Player
of the Year in college Jersey retired all of that,
so shout out to my bro man. Appreciate you coming on.
We got to have a good one with you being
the first guest.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
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Speaker 1 (46:50):
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Welcome to another additional point game with Isaiah Thomas and
j Toldono. As you can see, we are doing our
first ever live episode in person.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
In person, how does it feel?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Feels good? Now? This is dope and we're in Boston,
so you know.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's what I was going to bring up. So we
are in Boston, and not just for a nice little
fun trip. We are here because the city is honoring
you with a basketball legacy Award. Why don't you tell
us a little bit about what's going on here while
we're here and what that means to you.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
First off, Like, I'm super appreciative, Like I'm thankful even
my small time here in Boston, Like any type of
love and support I get from the city, the fans, community,
the organization is amazing.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So when they.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Came, you know, hit me up about the legendary award,
I believe it's called. And then I've seen all the
like the former guys who got these awards in different
sports in the city of Boston.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's definitely a pretty cool thing.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So I'm happy to be back, Like I'm not always
back here in Boston, so.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm happy to see some familiar faces and then just
you know, just to take in all the love and
support that I do get in this city, because that's mutual.
So I'm happy to be back. I'm thankful for the award.
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I mean, anyone who watches and falls the NBA knows that,
you know, you had such an incredible a couple of years,
you know with the Celtics, and you know, tell us
what made Boston so special to playing and living.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Man, It's just a little bit of everything.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Because before I played on Boston, like you'll come to
these games, you playing and you're getting up out of here,
like I'm not really seeing the city. I'm not really
doing anything that cool in this city because I didn't
really know too much. But when I got traded here
and then like my family started to like it, we
started to be in the city a lot, like interacting
in the community. It became like a second home. Like
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I said, even if even though I was only here
for a short period of time, Like the loving and
support that I get from the community, the fans, the
organization is like you would think I've been here for
ten years, So that feeling is mutual. Every time I
come in the city, it puts a smile on my
face and people show a lot of love, so it's
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always super cool to be back.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, I mean our comments and even comments before we
started the show was like Boston needs to re sign.
But so when have you pulled up to any games
like since then, even just as like a as a
crowd member and people calling out your name.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
A couple of years ago, I came to a playoff game.
I was doing some NBA stuff and that was the
first time I was in Boston and at a game
as like a spectator, Like I went through normal ways
that I never even seen before that I didn't know about.
So when I came back for that, it was game
seven of maybe the Eastern Conference Finals that was playing
the Heat. They end up losing that game, which was
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a tough one, but like being in the arena getting
a standing ovation, all of those things are like like
they just put a smile on my face, like just
to to get the love and support years down the line,
when a guy like myself didn't even win a championship year,
it just says a lot about the connection we had
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with each other, Like me and the city.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, well let's talk about that one year.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Where what was it fifteen sixteen or sixteen seventeen when
you finished fifth in NBA MVP, Yeah, MVP voting.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like what was it about that year?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You know, I would love to just even hear more
of your favorite moments as a Celtic now that we're
here in Boston, just celebrating that moment.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That year was just like I always say, it was
the best year of my career and kind of like
the worst year of my life because off the court,
I was going through a lot. Then I got traded
and things like that, and that's down the line. But
I mean that was a historical season, not just individually,
like we're the number one seed in the Eastern Conference.
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We did so many things that people didn't expect of us.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I missed that.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Team, like it was a really close knit group, the
guys that really liked each other and not just playing
with each other, but playing for each other. And I
was like a special group. And even though I was
around guys this morning at the facility, just people in
the organization and everybody always just brings up that year
like no matter, you know, they won a championship in
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twenty twenty four, I believe and people still bring up
that year and just in terms of like the amount
of fun fans had, the community had, the organization had,
and then just the type of team we had, Like
we were just counted out from the jump. Nobody believed
in us, and I was kind of like the circumstances
around that team. Know, there was all a bunch of
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guys that were kind of like looked over, second round pick,
some guys undrafted. So it was like we all came
together with that big chip on our shoulders and it
was a even though we fell short in the Eastern
Conference finals, it was a super dope year for everybody
that was a part of that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, you gu's made a nice little playoff runt. And
I love like there are teams that I've been a
fan of, people have a fan of where it's like, oh,
the roster doesn't say championship, but there is that like
brotherhood you got, Like people don't realize that the players
liking each other and wanting to be around each other,
that chemistry can lead to some w's.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We're gonna lead to everything, They're gonna lead to championships.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I mean you see that with Okay, see in today's game,
like they genuinely like each other, even if they don't
they're faking it, like they seem like they really they
seem like a college, like a college team, even like
Detroit Pistons seemed like a college atmosphere, seemed like they
there's no ego or pride. Everybody kind of everybody like
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wants each other to be successful. That's hard to come
around when you go to professional sports because guys are
getting paid, guys have families, there's so much other things
outside influence that happens in professional sports. It kind of
makes teams not as close. So when you see a
group of guys that play for each other, they like
being around each other, Like those are the groups you
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tend to fall for and watch because they're they're fun
to play with. They they like each other's success. That's
hard to come by. So we had a really good group.
I wish we could have stayed together, which health was
on our side. Obviously I got hurt, but like if
we if we didn't have no injuries, like we were
one of them teams that were coming for years to
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come for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, I mean people you know when you didn't when
you got traded to the Cavs and people say you
didn't resign, you didn't get that super max because of
your hip, Like what was sort of going through your head?
Like how tough was it to leave here? And then
when did you finally feel like you know, like that's
in the past. I gotta keep it moving.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It wasn't in the past until like I got healthy again.
Like I always say, if I got traded to Cleveland
and I was one hundred percent healthy, like right when
I started playing, training camping, then I would have moved
past everything because I'm playing, I'm focused on something different.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I'm one hundred percent healthy.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But at that time when I got traded, I didn't
play till like the middle of January. So I go
from getting traded in August to not playing till January.
It was somewhat difficult to move on seeing watching the
Celtics play, watching my new teammates playing, I can't compete
with them, so it was tough. But once I got
healthy and was able to play the game again, like
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I wasn't really tripping on what happened, Like obviously it
was a tough situation. I felt like I gave my
heart to this city, this organization, and to be a
franchise player and to be traded out of nowhere. It
was tough top of being hurt, but like out of
all people, I understood the business. Like people will always
be like, oh, you keep bringing it up. It was
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like the media was bringing it up.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I wasn't. I wasn't. Yeah, like I wasn't talking about it.
I just had to.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I just had to answer those questions. So like, and
then at the end of the day, I'm human, so yeah,
I had real feelings, like I had real love for
this city and organization, and I wanted to keep it going.
But like I said, at the end of the day,
I understand the business one hundred percent, and I understand
some things happened that you know, both sides don't really
want to happen, but for the business side of it,
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it makes sense. So you find ways to continue to grow,
continue to move on, and continue to you know, just
keep competing and doing things with a small interface. And
I tried to do that the best I could. As
I got older, I started to not even obviously think
about it as much.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But as a basketball.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Player, as a human, yeah, you always look back and
be like or you think about those things, what if
this happened?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
What?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But as you get older, you understand you can't control
a lot of things and you got to move on
as as best as you can.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean, and just you know, because there's so many
armchair you know, critics you know, talking about oh he's
not moving on or like whatever. But it's like, imagine
to these people out there, and I'm speaking of it,
and just from the fan standpoint, like if I had
my dream job, I found my perfect situation. I was,
you know, getting promoted and whatnot, and then one day
I walk into like, oh, you're out, Like to me,
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that's actually happening to me in my life. It's me
like four years to get over You're in the NBA,
you find a perfect fit.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The city is.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Behind you, you know, some of the most legendary games,
and I mean the fact is like, yeah, maybe it
took you a little bit to get over. I feel
like Boston still hasn't gotten over it because they're giving
you an award this week.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, no, they I mean they haven't like anybody on
social media, anybody I interact with when I see people
on the streets, I mean everybody hates that trade, but
like even even though they hated, they got a championship
out of something years down the line, which I know
they're they're excited and happy for, but like a real fan,
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like they have real feelings into this all business aside. Yeah,
you you feel that for sure because it was it
was a real connection and everything was just on the
up and up.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
So you know, it's tough, but you live and you learn,
you move on.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You you you enjoy those experiences even if you know
they're not always super positive and in your lane, but
you know, things happen.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
If I if I can ask you, like, how how
is the relationship with.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Danny Age now? If you ran into him? Have you
have you talked to him?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Since you know it's like you said, it is a business,
but like, have you guys been able to chat at.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
All about it?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, Danny, we've we've talked a few times. We don't
necessarily talk about that, but like I got a friendship
with Danny, Like, yeah, that shit hurt and that was tough.
Like I felt like he was wrong in every way,
but like he had a job to do. I had
a job to do. He made a decision you move forward.
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But yeah, I still talk to Danny. Even when I
was in the G League. He came to my games.
He like Danny will will always be somebody that I
can talk to, somebody that is bigger than basketball. And
he just had a job to do and he did it.
And as I got older, take the feelings out of it.
It's like, it is what it is. I think honestly,
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I think he feels bad for it as well, and
it's and it's all good at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know, he moved on.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
He's not even a He's a part of the Utah
Jazz organization. So like everybody has to move on at
some point, and we both have.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And even just going back to the landscape of the
NBA that year, that summer was crazy because it was
like the year after you know, Katie and the Warriors
won and everyone was like, how do we beat this team?
And everyone was making rash decisions and Kyrie asking out,
so it's like, people get it's just a domino effect
that can happen because that was a late trade going
into it, and so yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It was, I mean it was it woke the world up. Yeah,
and then fast for hour to rewind. It's like I
really the number one pick got traded for the sixtieth
pick in the same draft seven years later something.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So people don't really realize.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That, Like it don't matter where you are in that draft,
Like I tried to tell young guys growing up, you.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Get picked first or last.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Like after that night, nobody gives it, nobody cares, nobody cares.
You just got to put your hat on and grind.
So to put it in perspective, it's crazy to think
about that. Right seven six, seven years down the line,
we both get traded for each other, and you know
all she rode after that.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I mean, and then that Cavs team too, was just
like people were just trying to throw the kitchen sink
at other teams. You know, like you were hurt, and
that's why I want to remind people you were hurt.
But like they put you on a squad with d Rose,
Dwayne Wade, like and the fact that it didn't work out.
But it's just like fit matters, like you said, like
everyone there's a bond, there's a you know, people got
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to be healthy, and it just it didn't fit in
that system.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, I think it was just a lot a lot
going on with that, Like it was more so it
was like seven or eight new guys to a roster
that's been together for years, it's been competing together. One
of their major pieces ended up getting traded and more
major pieces come in that. You know, it was difficult.
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D Rose was hurt at one point, I was hurt
most of the time. D Wade wasn't all the way healthy.
And then people forget like we had a seventeen game
win streak at one point that year, so like things
weren't as bad as people thought. It's just with having
a guy like Lebron James on your team and having
a magnifying glass on everything that you do, it was
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just magnified. The negative would just magnify way more than
it really needed to be. And I do think, you know,
I talk too much about the situation. I think they
panicked it as well. Like we were built to be
a playoff team. We were built to do damage in
the playoffs with guys like d Rose, d Wade, Kevin
Love j R. Smith Like to even be in that
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locker room and see those type of guys each and
every day, it was it was unreal and not even
in you know, you still got Lebron James, you got
like Jay Crowd, you got so many guys that we
were built to play in the playoffs, not to be
a regular season team. So like my selfish self, I
wish they gave us more time and see what we
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could have done in the playoffs than made stuff happen.
But that opportunity in that situation was super dope to
be a part of, even though it wasn't the best
for myself, Like I wasn't able to show my you know,
my one hundred percent self. But like seeing Lebron James
each and every day work work on his body, be
a professional. See Dwayne Wade, like guys that I looked
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up to. Sitting next to d Rose on the play
and each and everyday chopping it up with him, and
he don't really talk to anybody. So like I became
really close with d Rose that year. That was like
amazing for me. So childhood friend Kevin Love, I used
to stay the night at Kevin Love's house. He's an
Oregon guy, but I played for Portland AAU team, So
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every weekend I would take the train, stay the night
at Kevin's house. Rest in peace to his dad's staying.
His dad would pick me up from the train station.
Like so, like all those things, being able to be
a part of such a legendary team, even though it
didn't work out like we wanted it to, those are
moments that would last forever.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Okay, going back to the Celtics one more time before
we end this part of the show, I want to
know who was your favorite Celtics teammate of all time.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
My favorite Celtic Evan Turner. No, no, I don't even
think about that. That that's my guy. I've known ever since,
like sixteen fifteen, sixte year old was we was at
where it was ABCD camp, got invited to one of
the top camps in high school camps in the country
and we actually did a photo shoot which was hella funny,
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a slam photo shoot. But Brandon Jennings had like the
Jordan gear, like the top dogs. Brandon Jennings were the
top dog. He had the Jordan gear. I think I
had McDavid on like I had. That's at the beginning
when McDavid just came out. I had the armband. Man,
I don't know what Evan had. Evan might have had
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p Miller gear. I think they had because look, d
DeMar de Rozen was in the P Miller gear too,
and they had the bro they had a seventy six
ers jersey, they had P Miller. So we got to
ask Evan that because I'm not sure what he was in.
But it was hilarious because if you was the top dog,
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you was in the Nike Jordan. We were just maybe
the add ons to the to the photo shoot. But
it was dope because it came out in slam. That
was one of the big first big things that we
really ever did together. And then fast forward, I get
traded to Boston and then like we clicked, like we
click like that from day one. Nah, we didn't even
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talk until we see each other until we went I
met with the team, and then we was like this
ever since, like that was that's my dog. Like we
we would butt heads at times and we was always
end up being cool and someone anytime I'm asked that question,
like obviously by kids kids, they asked that they want Lebron,
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they want d Rose, they want all those type of guys,
which those were great teammates will but the one I
connected with the most definitely was Evan turned that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, so a little teas.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
We're gonna have Evan on the show next, So I
don't want to get into too many of those stories.
I do want to ask you because it's just it's
fascinating here, and you know, you said it with Kevin Love,
you said it with it with Evan. Like you guys
were young when you first met, going to these camps,
you know, roommates and all this stuff, Like did you
guys have moments where you're just like, we might make
it to the league and you guys like dreaming about
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that stuff, talking about it and then running into each
other in the league.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We didn't necessarily have talks about it growing up, but
everybody was on that same journey. So to see guys
at camps, see guys at the top AAU tournaments, and
compete with those guys. Then like fast forward six seven
years down the line, guys are getting drafted, guys are
on NBA teams living out their dreams. So we would
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definitely be on the Celtics at a hotel, say we
in Milwaukee. We'd be in a hotel together, chopping it up,
listening to music, watching games, and really talking about that,
like talking about the memories and all the things that
we've been through to be on a legendary team on
the Celtics, playing high level basketball together. Like, yeah, you
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dream of playing in the NBA, but you don't dream
of those moments.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That's cool, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So next episode, Evan Turner coming on. We're gonna get
those stories. But right now we're gonna take a break
on point game and they we're gonna come back and
talk more about.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
What's going on in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Right now, all right, we're back on point game. One
of the craziest news I've gotten in a while happened
a few days ago. Steph Curry left under Armour, which
is like, you know, you get Sham Sham's bombs and
all that, like woes or whatever, and it's like player traded.
But Steph leaving under Armour was like earthshaking to me.
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What was your reaction seeing that?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Surprising?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I think my son has sent that to me or
some but surprising. You would never especially once he signed
there and then how successful it looked like it's been. Yeah,
you would think he was the rest of the way
he was going to be under Armor. So that's surprising.
But that might shake some stuff up a little bit
in the sneaker world.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, I've been wanting to talk to you because you
were as a sneakerhead myself, and I was like, look,
you know when I watch games or see pictures and
always like, what are you rocking? Yeah, I would say
you and maybe a couple other guys, maybe you and DeMar,
I would.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Say, are the MVP of Kobe Pees.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So I wanted to and before anybody like, I feel
like there's a real big Kobe wave right now, obviously
with Nike releasing stuff, but you've been rocking Kobe's for
a long time, so let's start there. Tell us about
how you how you decided Kobe was like your shoe
of choice, and then also how you got into the pees.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
So when I first got in the league, I was
a rebox athlete. Yeah, so my first three years in
the league, shout out the Rebox because they signed me.
I'm the sixtieth pick. Nobody gets shoe deals being being
that late in the draft, so they signed me to
a three year deal. Shout out to b Lee over
there at Rebok And it was amazing because those when
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I first got my first pees, like I got my
iverson p's our Questions.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I got Kama Kazips.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And that was a surreal moment for me because of
growing up like as most guys are, like, I'm a
shoe fanetic, like I'm I'm a I'm a fan of
all types of basketball shoes, shoes you wear off the court.
So it was crazy for that to happen, like early
on in my career and me be able to pick
out the color waves of certain shoes. That'st forward a
couple of years after that. Nico Harrison, who was head
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of basketball at Nike, I had a relationship with him
for a while and once my deal got up with Reebok,
He's like, man, it's time to come to the family.
And then when I was in high school, I was
a Nike athlete as well. So I signed with Nike
in twenty fourteen, I think fifteen, and then I got
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to meet Kobe. I met Kobe a little bit before that.
I got to talk to him on the phone a
couple of times, and he mentioned to Nico about, you know,
getting the team Kobe together of guys he thought would
represent you know, his his shoe the best way. DeMar
Derozen obviously number one MVP, Like he's the MVP in
terms of rocking Kobe's. He got in the league before me.
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He was rocking Kobe's in college when I was watching,
when I was rocking Kobe's as well. But I would
say he's the number one Kobe guy for sure. I'll
put myself one B or two or number two right
right behind him.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
But fast forward that as well, when I.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Start getting pees, when I start meeting with Nike and
they're coming to my house in the summertime, they got
booklets of all the p's they want me to wear,
the colorways, so like, to be in those meetings was crazy,
Like I never, like I dreamed of being an NBA player,
having my own shoe and all that, but not even
thinking I'm gonna be in meetings like this in terms
of certain colorways, I'm wearing certain dates, all star colorways,
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all of that. So to sit down and be in
those meetings with Nike and pick out certain shoes that
I'm gonna were at certain times, it was like those
were that I made it. Moments like Dang Kobe really
picked me DeMar de Rosen, He picked Devin Booker to
really represent his brand and Kobe's my favorite player of
all time. So when that news came to me from
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Niko and the team, it was like, it's a no brainer.
So around I think twenty fifteen sixteen is when I
start getting my Kobe pes, and it was just it
was everything, Like to be able to rock my favorite
player shoot, but to be able to rock it with
my own player exclusive that I had a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Of touch on. It was like it was everything.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Like I still smile to this day because I gave
away so many Kobe pes that I'm so mad at myself.
But giving away obviously that was before you know, my
guy passed away.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Rest in peace, Kobe.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
But I just thought they would be coming forever, you know,
like obviously you think Kobe gonna be here forever as well,
But like I thought they were just gonna be coming forever.
That's why when somebody would asks during the game, like man,
can I get those? Can I somebody back at the crib,
can I get that colorway, it was like, hell, yeah,
I'm gonna be getting unlimited of these, So it's good.
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So there's a few pair that I don't have anymore,
and I wish I had, just because I was being
so nice and generous and giving them away. But like,
I'm always be team Kobe. I'm always represent the brand
Kobe to the death. And like you said, like everybody's
wearing Kobe's now, all the colleges got them, which is
super cool, but it ain't nothing about It ain't nothing
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like having.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Your own player exclusive when it comes to Kobe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, and the fact that because I remember the Cavs
colorway they released, I remember people trying to get those,
and then obviously it's like that's something that I feel
like a lot of players don't don't get to experience.
Not only are they you know, you get your own shoot,
but then you see other kids out there walking your
pees amazing, that's really crazy, and.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
They're like, I mean, shout out to Nike, shout out
to Kobe, shout.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Out to everybody behind the scenes who like made that
dream come true. Because I didn't even think that was possible.
I was just wearing the ones that came out in stores.
And then Kobe wants to put some little flair on mine.
And then even like the Cleveland ones where on the
tongue you had the chip on the tongue, because my
chip tooth and the play like it had the space
needle in the insoul because I'm from that area of
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the Seattle, Ta Coma area.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They just I told you that PU was a surprise.
I didn't know that was coming.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And then if you check the Nike sign, it's a
little Nike sign for for how.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Little I am and the Mighty I T.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Like Kobe named me Mighty I T so like it's
crazy and those those Kobe's was the Mighty I T Edition,
So he gave.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Me that nickname.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I'm forever like I'm forever got to give Kobe and
you know, the brand the love and support it it
deserves because a kid growing up being able to wear
his favorite player shoes, be able to put my own
flare in it, that's you don't You don't even dream
of the stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well, so tell me specifically even just to pull back
the curtain even more for fans like so we're like
general releases showing up at your house and then the
pees like or were you did you ever have to
buy a pair of Kobe's back then?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Now I'm only really buying a Kobe if I just
really wanted and I haven't got it yet so like, yeah,
they're coming, they're coming. Any team of mine, the ones
I'm wearing are coming to the facility boxes. And then
and then like the regular joints, Yeah they're they're they're
sending those to me. So to this day, I'm still
getting all the regular joints for sure. I just don't
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got no pes.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well that's what I remember. Seeing a tweet from you
and I feel your pain here. You tweet it and
it's a joke, but you're like, man, the sneakers app
sucks because I think you were trying to get those
kitling clerk Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Man, because I'm like, the sneaker app is bad.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I know, I'm trying to fix it. I haven't hit.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
One time, and I don't do it all the time,
but like if I'm up at that time and I
see it, I got a notification, I'm definitely tapping into it.
I haven't hit one time and the sneaker app being
for a minute. So that's Jay's, that's Kobe's, so whoever's
part of that sneaker app.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But just give me one. I just want one.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Give them a special link or something.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I actually I do got one story. They had a
special link for me once and that shout out to
my Nike connect. I don't know how I pressed it,
it was there, but he said press it now and
you're good. I don't know if I'm supposed to say
any of that, but what you who did that?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I don't even know what shoe? Who did that? Can
I get that once a month every.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now and then? That's yeah, just give them the link.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Whatever you did that time where I got, I got it.
So I'm not gonna lie. I got sneaker app whoever
made that happen I got. I don't even remember what
shoe it was, but I got. I got one in
my whole time, So I'm like one for thirty five
probably all right.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
So how many sneakers you think you've got in your
collection right now?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Total?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I mean, and this is not basketball shoes.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Let's say basketball shoes.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I mean, I would say a few hundred, three hundred,
and I give away a lot, especially like people in
from where I'm from, Like I'm giving them. Every body
got my shoes I'm giving away. It's just obviously it's
a nice thing to do. But like I've always been
like that. There was one summer I gave your probably
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a hundred pair of shoes, and I was like, there
was a reason for it, but dang, it was.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Right before the it was right before.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
The shoe the shoe the shoe culture start booming, Like
there was some exclusive I gave away that I'm upset about.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But you know, hopefully somebody's rocking them.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
If you got one of It's pes send us a
picture in the Don't sitd on Pictures, send it back.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I give you another little gift. Send me back my peas, Man,
I need them.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, before we get off this story, So Steph he
rocked He rocked the Mamasitas the other night, which was
again it just it made me feel like I was
in another dimension, another reality. But he talked about the
importance of that shoe, you know, and which was incredible.
But you know, what do you think Steph is gonna
do now?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Is it enough for him to have his own brand?
Does he joined another brand like we saw this with Kobe.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know, he went to the Secret Free Agency.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So it'll be interesting to see what he does.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But what do you think?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I don't know, Like he's big enough to have his
own right like and to be successful. So I don't
know if he wants to go in that direction. Obviously
people will probably that wrong. He just do his own
but like maybe he wants to try Nike again, maybe
he wants to go Jordan Brand and do it different.
You never know, So I don't know. I don't know
where his head is at. It was definitely a surprise
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to me. It was super dope to see him in
some Kobe's for the first, you know, shoe that's.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Not under armour.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I knew he wasn't gonna play no, no, nothing under
the under armour though, just because but it was super
dope to see him playing those particular Kobees too, because
those mean a lot to the to the world for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, that was dope.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, So you actually had brought up Nico Harrison, head
of Nike Basketball for anyone didn't know that, so he
was obviously already playing huge roles in the basketball world.
He was recently let go by the MAVs, to put
it lightly, like people were upset about the Luca trade.
So not even you know, I would love to hear
just what you think about that, that move, that firing
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and the Luca the Luca trade like, how much longer
now that Nico has gone, how much longer do you
think the MAVs are going to be sitting in that
sort of dark shadow of Luca leaving and what have
they got to do to move forward?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I'm not sure. I think it's a tough situation.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I think Nico was gonna lose lose ever since he
made the trade, unless he made the trade last year
and they won a championship last year.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
But I feel like he was even in the lose
lose then say you.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Win a championship next year, A year, six months later,
they're still going to be thinking about Luca just because
how much of a superstar he is, how good he is,
how young he is, and then he's in the Western
Conference over there and the Lakers doing his thing. So
I think you're just always going to be reminded of
Luca because how special he is and how special he's
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going to continue to be. So I think you were
were they were always going to have that little great
cloud over their head, no matter how successful they were,
just because like that's a once in a lifetime talent
that you really, you know, traded in the prime of
his career. I don't even know if he's in his
prime yet, that's what's crazy. So exactly. So it's like.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It was a tough situation and night Nico's my guy.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I got real love for him. I think he knows
the game of basketball at a high level. Obviously, he
was Kobe's right hand man for ten fifteen years, so
like he knows the game. But in that sense, I
just think there was a there was going to be
a great cloud over his head, in the organization's head
until he was out of there. But I think that's
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not really going nowhere either, Like unless they go on
to thirty game winning streak and they have the best
season ever, it's still always going to be like, dang,
we had Luca, Dang, we like.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Why did we do that?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
So I think it's a tough situation all the way around.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But again, one of them business decisions where.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
He felt he felt that was the best decision for
the organization he's running. And yeah, I think the world's
gonna fault him, But everybody's not in that locker room
each and every day.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Everybody's not around that organization to where.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Maybe something that came up to where he had that
that red light to where he wanted to make a
move like that, but.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It's just a tough situation because.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So many people are on the outside looking in and
you just don't make a move like that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
It seems like it just.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It seems like a common theme here is the business.
Guys got to kind of play doctor a little bit
and they're predicting, you know, how much you know, are
they injured? Is this a long lasting thing? Let's make
some moves now. That saw a window and he went
for it, and you know, sometimes that stuff pays off.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And then for just like eighties heard Kyrie's heard like,
so that's that's what I'm saying, Like in terms of
the lose lose, Yeah, you get the number one pick.
Guys aren't healthy. That's on you to the outside the
world looking in like that. And it sucks because I
don't think he got a fair shake just to start
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the year, like you don't have ad AD's out, Kyrie.
Obviously we know it's coming back later in the year.
You're experimenting with Cooper putting them at the point. So
it's a lot of things that is outside of his control,
but one thing that was in his control was he
did make the decision to trade Luca, but not even that,
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like the owner got a okay that too, So like
there needs to be some heat on others as well,
So like just to keep it a one hundred percent realists.
He Nico's not the one that approves it. He brings
it to whoever the ownership and says, this is what
I believe will be best for organization. He might have
made it seem amazing and the owner rolled off on it.
(33:58):
So but I did see the owner did take responsibility
for what's happened. And hopefully at some point that city
and organization that can move on. But they won't move
on into Luca's done with the NBA because he's just
he's going to be so good for so long that
they're just going to be reminded of it each and
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every day.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we saw Luca. He got he
got in better shape. You know, this season he's putting
up forty to fifty, Like it's wild, I mean, and
who knows if he would have done that, you know,
being not complacent, but like you know, his old ways
were sort of working in Dallas already, but they just
they lit a fire under it, and the Lakers are
off to a hot start, it'll be.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So it hurts every win the Lakers have every forty
point triple double he has, They're just going to be upset,
and like rightfully so as a fan, because you it's
hard to trace somebody like that away.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
But we've lived and we learned through those type of
things as well.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I have some Maps fan friends that became Lakers fan,
and that's how much like Luca for sure transcended the city,
transcendent basketball, like they like to rooting for that guy.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I mean, the world loves it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, it's like Luca Magic, Like he's he's hard not
to love. And then he's done his job of getting
into shape making the game look even easier.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So it's a hard little situation.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
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I'm gonna go with Luca going against the Jazz. I
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Speaker 2 (36:49):
All right, welcome back to point game.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We are now going to play another game. We introduced
it last week called restricted Area. I'm going to try
to bring up an NBA storyline and it can have
the option to say that's restricted area. I'm not talking
about it, but so far we've been unsuccessful and our
dude over here is just open book all the time.
So the first one, I don't know if you saw this,
(37:10):
it was a highlight. James Harden had a crazy crossover
ankle breaker on Peyton Pritchard of the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
He got me good. He got me Good's first time
I've gotten got like that, and I don't know when.
So it was a heck of a move.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I'll be fine, my ankle be fine, but he did
so he made me touch earth for a second.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So what did you think about that?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Were you surprised that James still has it, and then
I want to know, also, what was your best ankle
breaking moment in your career.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I did see the James Harden on on My Guy.
Those are both of my guys too, so it's tough.
James Harden. First off, to answer your question, James Harden
does still have It's still got it you, so he's
still difficult to guard. One thing about James Harden is
super cool. When he does these moves. He makes the
shot for the most part. Like I remember the movie
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did I think years ago against Wesley Johnson when he
was on the rockets same area too, and when he
dropped him, but he didn't go in for the floater.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
He just looked at him and did the shot.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
So James Harden is successful and making guys fall and
making the shot because that's hard to do, make the
shot because.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
All the pressure builds. I gotta finish the man.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, tough, So shout out to James my guy, Pete Pritchard.
That's tough, but at least it was by one of
the best players to ever play. To answer your question
of ankle breakers, I'm not an ankle breaking guy, but
I've had a few good moves. I would, I would
if we could bring up. I was on the Kings.
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I think it was my second or third year. We
was playing the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I did a little move.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I'm not even gonna say I made Steph fall like
the move. He just happened to fall. And then I
did a one leg It was in a shot like
I did a one legged three pointer off the glass.
I think it was at Sacramento. And I'm gonna take
that one. Yeah, just from my kids, I'm gonna take that.
I'm Hooper to Hooper.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I don't think the cross made them fall, but it
was timely. It looked like it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Still people count, some people will count some trips or whatever,
but you made the floater three.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Look, step I'm gonna say I dropped you.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I'm gonna say I dropped you just because all love
and respect. But i'm gonna say I dropped you and
I hit the shot just because I.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Haven't dropped nobody. So I'm gonna take that one. Today.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
We're gonna look that up. We'll cut that together. Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
The All Star Game, so they announced officially. There was
a rumor for a minute that they're gonna change the
format because they've been having some difficulty in making the
most entertaining product it can be. So they're gonna do
a USA versus the World because the game is pretty
international these days. So what do you think about that format?
Do you think it's enough to save the All Star weekend?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I think it's interesting enough to do that. I think
it's gonna be hard to save the All Star weekend.
Guys want rest, Guys don't really go as hard. But
I think this would be a bragging rights type of
situ situation, like, Okay, now we're playing for some we're
playing for pride at least like USA versus the world.
Obviously we see those talks. All the world's caught up
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to the US in terms of basketball. So I think
if you have a little hype to it, you add
a little hype to it, maybe add a little more money.
I think guys would take take heed and going a
little harder in terms of representing your country, representing the world,
represent the US. So I think the NBA is doing
a good job of trying to implement more things to
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make it interesting not only for the player but for
the fans.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I'm excited for this.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
This might be the first year where we get some competitiveness,
We get them old All Star Games where you know
Kobe was there. Just that's what it is, though, That's
what it is. The best player has to play the
hardest and everybody will fall in line. So whoever the
top dog is, if he goes all out, I promise
you That's what it was with Kobe, Jordan, all those guys,
(40:57):
even early on with Lebron, Like the best player go
all out, everybody follows suit.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well, And I also think too, there's you know, we
watched the last Olympics USA, Frank, like there's some resentment
in some revenge that's gonna happen more immediately than having
to wait for the next Olympics. Like we all remember
that iconic Steph you know, jump over Wenby.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
He got him again the other night.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But like this is like all those guys were like USA,
every every Olympics they beat us, there were always a
default gold medal.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Like now they get a chance every year.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Exactly, and it's just gonna spice it up a little more.
So then when then we when we when we when
we beat that behind in the All Star Game, comes summertime,
we're gonna do it again to the world. You know,
So if I'm if I'm a part of it anyway
the All Star weekend, I'm making sure I'm talking stuff.
I'm making sure the game is going to be exciting
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because the guy's gotta talk mess.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
You gotta we gotta get it. We gotta talk mess
on our pod.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
We everybody around the basketball world got to talk a
little bit of a little bit of junk to get
it going.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
When we were talking about before this, like they need
to implement a one on one the king of the courts.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
And you never know, you never know.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I think if they do and you get a top
dog to be in it, the other top dogs will
fall a suit.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
And yeah, what do you think it takes to get
a big guy to play like that? Because I feel
like some guys, you know, they have so many endorsements
or like they're trying to rest and recover.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Man, the biggest thing is they don't want to get embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
So the top dog NBA guys, guys that are getting
paid do not want to get embarrassed and not be
able to blame someone else. One on one is a
tough situation because you can't blame nobody else, And I
think that's the biggest thing. But you know, money talks.
You put you put a nice little cash prize on it.
(42:43):
You might get some stars out there to show the
world that they they shouldn't be messed with.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, who would you pick in King of the Court
NBA right now, yourself included.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Nobody's beat me one one.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Okay, what's your what's your strategy?
Speaker 4 (42:57):
If you two guys, the NBA guys, this is a
call out to any and everybody. Nobody's beating me one
on one in basketball. Give me a nice ref like
we're not just gonna be following each other. Nobody's beating
me one on one. I don't think you could be
six to eleven winby might.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Beat me.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
If you're just pulling up on threes winb might.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That's that's the only one. Anybody else.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
It's gonna be a tough It's gonna be a little
tough situation for anybody, but anybody besides myself. You gotta
go with KDS. You gotta go with Kyrie healthy Kyrie.
Nobody's probably messing with that. You gotta go with guys
that are really one on one guys like they can
go not only play one on one.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Inside, you can go.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
To a cement court and play one on one. Those
are gonna be the guys that are gonna be the
best guys.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
That's what it's built.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
When we're growing up and you only got another friend there,
or you pup on the court and one.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
On one, are you gonna NBA need to do two
on two to two on two, that'd be okay, Tatty.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Let us fix the All Star.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, just let us do it. Well, we'll come up
with all the ideas.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
At first, we might not get the stars to play
because they'll just be chilling, but we'll get the you know,
the role guys to get get to it.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, all right, final story, Uh, interesting enough, lebron he's
getting healthy, the Lakers assigned him the G League, and
in that same couple of days, Bronny got to start
for the Lakers. Again, what alternate reality we're living in?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Can you talk on that?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Like, I guess you know, it was a that's just
kind of how it goes. Maybe you can explain that,
like getting a sign of G League and getting ready
to go up to the back to the league.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, but for for bron it was just probably getting
a scrimmage in being able to get up and down
with that team.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
I think it's super dope.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Then a guy like Lebron James goes to the G
League to play against and with those guys in practice.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Those are some guys that look up to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
They's never really been able to be on the same
court as him, So for him to interact with those guys,
high five with those guys, that's probably.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
A surreal moment for those G League guys.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
And for it to happen in the same week to
where Briani gets to start in the NBA and his
dad be suiting up for a G League practice is
the timing is crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But that's how basketball is, man, So it's it.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
I think it was a super cool feeling for those
guys in that G League organization to be a brown
Lebron and see them and play against them. And then
obviously it's super cool that Briani got the start.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Well, I mean, so you've played in G league before, Like,
what is that like with the younger guys who watched
you and were fans of you, Like, what's that moment
like when you can impart.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Some of that It's amazing because you see it on
their face like they they they're fans first and then
teammate second. Like they want to ask questions you go
to eat or you got lunch after practice. They're asking
so many questions they would ask if we weren't on
the same team.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
So it's a surreal moment.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Obviously in the G League is a little different, but
like it's super dope to chop it up about my experiences,
about the things that they're about to see in their
in their journey, and just to be able to interact
with those guys and not only do that but compete
as well and show them that.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, there is levels to this. There's levels to it
for sure.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
That's dope.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
All right, Well that's another episode of Point Game. Look
at all these nuggets were constantly Next week, tune in,
make sure you tune in. We got a special guest.
As we teased earlier, Evan Turner. I can't even imagine
what stories are going to be doing.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
We're not even gonna be able to talk.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say hello, and I'm
gonna go.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
He's gonna do it all.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
That's my guy man shout out to et National Player
of the Year in college Jersey retired all of that,
so shout out to my bro man. Appreciate you coming on.
We got to have a good one with you being
the first guest.
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