Sudiksha Konanki, Deadly Tornadoes, Man Held Captive by Stepmom, NYC Man Eats Rat, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to be talking about the continuing drama of Gene
Hackman and his wife's death. A YouTuber who was killed
after revealing their location, a man who was held captive
by a stepmother for years, a baby cut out of
a pregnant teenager, a woman trying to sell toes on

(00:41):
the Internet, a man who just ate a rat in
the middle of New York City, and reasons why I
don't want to send my kids away to college. So
let's get started with Gene Hackman again for the third
week in a row.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah. I thought we were definitely done talking about this
Gene Hackman case. But now Betsy, his wife's doctor, has
come out to say that she called him the day
after police said she died.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
All right, I think this is kind of duchey by
the doctor, and I really don't understand what the point
is exactly, except to get publicity for himself. Because the
medical examiner said quote, based on the circumstances, it is
reasonable to conclude that Betsy passed away. First with February
eleventh being the last time that she was known to

(01:29):
be alive, which is true, that's the last time that
we heard from her. And they said multiple times that
this is and it's an estimate, like there's no internal
clock that people have that tell you exactly what time
and day they died. You're just doing it based upon
the investigation and based upon what you see at autopsy,
Like you could estimate based on like, Okay, these changes

(01:52):
wouldn't be seen in a couple of days, This might
take a couple of weeks, based on the environment and
things like that. But there's there's no one ever said
that there was a magic date that that was the
day that she definitely died. And this doctor is just
kind of a douchebag for even bringing that up, in
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Well, unless you're on Yellowstone season five and there's no
witnesses or anything, remember I was telling you about that,
they were they're like, oh, he died at this exact time,
but there was no video footage, there's no witnesses, Like,
how do you know he died at that exact minute
from the autime?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
See? And then the doctor, this doctor was also so
he first started off saying that She wasn't his patient.
She was referred by a friend to this doctor, so
he doesn't really know anything about her because he's never
really physically examined her. But he had to make sure
that he kept saying she didn't have any respiratory symptoms, like, Okay,
who cares, what does that have to do with anything?

(02:46):
I told you guys last week that or whenever this
information came out. That was last week that we went
over this, that the haunted virus, when you get the
infection and then when you start showing symptoms, it could
be anywhere from one week to five weeks after you're
exposed to it. But I told you that, you know,
the first three to six days of the virus, you

(03:07):
don't start showing any respiratory symptoms. So she could have
called because she just was feeling like it was just
coming on and she was feeling unwell, and so she
wouldn't have had any respiratory symptoms. And I don't know
if you remember me saying that once the cardio pulmonary
symptoms come on, then that's it could be very rapid

(03:29):
that your lung spill up with fluid and everything. So
that could have happened like we said, she went out
on that one day and then she wasn't heard from again,
and that's when that could have happened at her house,
and it could have just came on very quick, within
twenty four hours, maybe even faster, that she went from
feeling okay to dead. So what exactly is this doctor

(03:50):
trying to do except stir up drama and confusion that
doesn't need to be there.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, I agree with you, especially because he was saying
that she was supposed to come in later that So
the police are saying she died on February eleventh. The
doctor is saying she called on February twelve and that
she was supposed to come in later that afternoon and
never showed up. But she had called them that morning.
So what's it a difference of less than twenty four
hours that he's trying to clear up. It's not like

(04:15):
she called them a week later. That would be something
more substantiactly.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
And also you're saying she didn't have any respiratory symptoms,
like you didn't examine her, you didn't listen to her test,
You do not know what was going on in her body,
and clearly she's dead, Okay. So she was pretty not
feeling well. I'll say that, right, we don't know exactly
what was going on, but don't try to put out
within the public by sight putting this out because you're
not proving anything. And in fact, the fact that you're

(04:40):
a doctor makes me just think that you sound like
an idiot, like you should know all this.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
But did the police just come across this phone record
when they were doing their investigation, because there was no
mention of an outco and call from her, well, they were.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Still examining the cell phones, as do you remember they
said that they listen, I'm telling you right now, just
because I'm in this field and everything, I think that
they did a really good job just based on everything
that I know so far, and I'm just I'm just
kind of annoyed by this. They even said last week
when they gave out that she had haunt a virus
and he died from the Alzheimer's and the heart disease,

(05:16):
they said, the investigation's not closed. They're still looking into
the cell phones that were found in the house, and
they were still waiting for the dog. That results also
came back that that the dog starved to death and
was dehydrated, which we knew was going to have happened
as predicted, so so they could close that part of it.
But they're still looking at the cell phone records. But anyway,
it doesn't matter. Like like I said, that, you don't

(05:38):
just have haunt a virus in your system, and there
was other things seen at autopsy too that would have
concurred that. So I just think that this doctor just,
you know, all of a sudden, it's like his name's
in the news everywhere, and everybody's looking up his business
in his name. That's all that's about.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, it's not helping either with all the online saluits
that think there's this like grand conspiracy theory that there's
something more nefarious going on behind the scenes. It's pretty straightforward,
just like it's just it's not necessary information to have
out there. It's just a matter of a couple hours
of difference.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, so whatever, let's we don't need to talk about
this anymore. I got actually annoyed by that doctor. It
just pissed me off. Let's talk about this really scary
situation that happened with the YouTuber. Yeah, so in Japan,
this twenty two year old YouTuber was doing a live
stream and then all of a sudden, her viewers heard
some screaming before the feed cut off. So it turns

(06:35):
out that she had borrowed money from this guy a
couple of years ago, and she didn't pay him back,
and even though they had been in contact with the
police about the money and everything, they just never got
it situated. So then when she announced her live stream,
he drove I think over sixty miles where she was
doing the live stream and then was able to see

(06:55):
the landmarks in the back of the video, and so
he used that to track her down and then stab terror. Yeah,
that's really scary.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
We I don't know if we've ever said this on
this program, but we've been like this as a social
media family that we've been on Instagram now since when
twenty and thirteen, a really long time. Yeah, we when
we go away, we never ever post pictures or say
anything about where we're going until we get back and

(07:24):
we're back home in our house from the trip. That's
just like, that's number one rule if you go on
social media a lot and people are following you, because
why would you ever let anybody know where you're at
in real time? That's just stupid unless you have, like
you know, if you're going to an event or something
in their security there. But why would you why would
you ever just be like, hey, I'm here right now.

(07:47):
You're just asking for trouble.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, you know, it happens so frequently other podcasts I
listened to, The women on those shows will be like, yeah,
my husband's going away this weekend, I'm going to be alone.
I'm like, why would you advertise that to the world?
Other women that I fall on, it's it's women in
particular that do this, and they're at the most risk.
I feel, not that men aren't, but I well.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
They don't have a crazy husband stepfather like you do, right,
like he would freeze. He's the Yes, he's the one
the reason that we're like that because he's constantly thinking
about terrible things.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
These women are always on their instagrams being like home
alone this weekend of like what are you doing, or
posting pictures of the front of their house, or just
showing too much personal information showing that they're going out
going so and so, so and so hanging out with whoever.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's just not smart and for us, it's like it's
the same with the housewives. Honestly, like most people are
considered low risk because we're not doing anything that's like
really pissing people off, like political stuff or whatever. But
you know, you can find a lot of stuff already online,
so you don't want to invite and give more information
than you need to. Anyway, what was the content, Like,

(08:55):
what did they figure out if it was one of
her followers, Like what what was the relationship between the two.
So it said she had met this man in twenty
twenty one and she had convinced him to let her
borrow some money. So he said he led her two
million yen, which is equivalent to thirteen thy five hundred
US dollars, and that when she borrowed it, she never

(09:17):
returned it. So it seems like they had already been
working up with police and everything about the stolen money.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I guess you could consider the stolen money, So they
had already been working that out, and because she didn't
return it, it angered him. But where I'm confused is
he said he wasn't planning to kill her, But if
you're stabbing somebody, in my opinion, you're planning to kill them.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I mean, maybe I don't know maybe his intentions were
to scare her, but then she was you know, her
reaction maybe triggered him to do it. But it doesn't matter. Really.
If you bring a weapon to anywhere and you're pretty
a flight, yeah, to a confrontation or for anything, then
if you use it, it doesn't matter. I guess he's

(10:00):
trying to say, you know, you want to go premeditated
or not whatever. I don't know, but that's not gonna work, Bud.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Sorry, Yeah, I mean, I think the grander message of
this entire story is, like, be smart about it. When
you buy a house, you don't have to post the
picture of the front of your house on Instagram. And
you don't have to post a million pictures of your
children online and where they go to school and what
they're doing, and when your.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Husband's not home.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's okay to keep some things to yourself.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's not in this world, okay. So these tornadoes are insane.
I've been seeing videos of them all over the place,
and when we've drove cross country twice this year and
just driving out and seeing how flat it is and
nothing around, which is just so opposite of where we
live here. It's just to see to just imagine driving

(10:49):
down one of these roads and seeing a twister like
that would just I think I would just drop dead.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, we all know, this is my biggest fear
of all time. This was It's quite a biblical event
that was going on throughout the country over the weekend.
There were I think Fox reported that over ninety tornadoes
broke out over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Can you imagine this? No, but just seeing it, I mean,
we and we barely get storms like anywhere, We don't
ever get storms to that level. I think we've had
a couple, but it it's really scary to be in
your house when something's happening outside that you have absolutely
no control over. I would think in this area of

(11:29):
the country, since it happened so often, that most people
would either have at their house or have access to
some kind of storm shelters. And but I don't know.
I guess people don't because so many people died. Forty
two people died so far, at least that's a lot
of people. When you when you they were pretty much
posting all over the place. I don't know, if you

(11:51):
saw the map online that was rotating around, yeah, you
saw it right, Well, it's kind of a joke. So there,
I think I know the one you're talking. Okay, there
was explain it. Let me tell you guys if you
haven't seen it. So there was a map of this
whole area of the lower part of the country that
was I think it was kind of like New Orleans

(12:12):
was kind of in the middle of this, and it
went up into the Midwest. And it was one of
those maps that you know, they show the different colors
of probability of you being affected by this tornado, and
it just looked like the shape of a penis. And
and this map was going around and just kept saying
like hard winds are going to ram the country, you know,

(12:35):
like stuff like that. It just was it just was
really funny. So but yeah, they that was going around
all over online that warning there's going to be really
high chance of having tornadoes all over this part of
the country, and it certainly happened.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
It's just so scary to think about. And there's this
crazy coincidence. So one hundred years ago today, March eighteenth,
nineteen twenty, there was this event that they called the
tri State Tornado. So this massive tornado went through Missouri,
Illinois and Indiana. It went for over four hours, It
spread across two hundred miles, and they killed nearly seven

(13:13):
hundred people. So that was the deadliest tornado in United
States history. I'm not sure if it's in world history,
but definitely in the United States. But I mean they
were kind of when they were talking about this situation,
they were discussing how hopefully it would never get to
this level again because of all the weather monitoring services
we have now and the ability to warn people with

(13:33):
cell phones and sirens and everything. But just think it
scary that was in nineteen twenty five, being in your house,
having absolutely no idea all the storm is coming, and
then it leveled out entire towns.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, I mean back then you would just hear stories
of family members that might have been older that experienced
that kind of stuff from by happening. And I'm sure
there were books documenting it as well. But you have
to think, like I could tell you, over the course
of just this year alone, between Gabe going and being
deployed to these hurricanes, Remember I was thinking about that.

(14:10):
Remember they there was one of the hurricanes that he
had went to, and that it could have been Helene,
which was terrible for but it wasn't. I don't think
it was super terrible for Florida as bad as it
was for North Carolina. But there was one of the tornado.
Didn't a hurricane occur around the same time too, There

(14:30):
were like back to back ones, but one of them
that they were just acting was going to be the
worst thing ever. And that guy that was the weather
castor in the news was crying saying it was going
to be so bad, and then it ended up that
was the one that was supposed to hit Tampa maybe
like whatever was the one that was directly before Helene, Okay,
the week before. So all I'm trying to say is

(14:51):
that a lot of times, and even this past weekend,
they were saying where we lived, that we were supposed
to get this tornado warnings and horrible thunderstorms and this
and that, and it's like, after a while, people just
stop listening. And that's the problem because boy who cried wolf? Yeah,
And I know that it's I mean, listen, I don't

(15:12):
predict weather for a living, and I'm sure it's difficult
because when they talk about all of this stuff, it's
it's crazy. And we're getting better and better but all
they're doing. You just have to remember is that all
they're doing is predicting it, and there's really no repercussions
if they're if they're wrong or they're right. But I
think that's probably what the thing is like. If you

(15:33):
live in that part of the country, you probably get
these warnings all the time, and just people are just like, well,
what are we just supposed to sit in a hole
in the ground that every single time we get one
of these, we get them for months on end every year.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well, my best friends from Wisconsin, and he's saying that,
you know this, this is nothing over there, Like they
would just sit in there in their kitchen and act
like nothing was happening when there's a twister on the
ground not that far from their house, whereas I'm hiding
in a closet in my base it when one touches
down five miles away from my house.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I keep seeing these videos and I just think, like,
how are these people dis close to this thing with
their phone and not freaking out and just hiding somewhere.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Well, I guess it's really important to understand the differences
with the warnings. So I saw this really good graphic
last year. A tornado watch basically means there's the ingredients
to make a tornado, if you want to equate it
to a cake like this meme did, and then the
tornado warning means the cake has been made. And then
there's another there's another warning level called a tornado emergency,

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which means a tornado has formed reporter on the ground
and it's a direct threat to human life. So they
need to be a little really, get in your base.
We're not, but they need to be.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
They just need to use a little bit more because
this is where people get screwed up with the two
W words warning. What does the difference between a warning
and a watch? Like you know what I mean? Like
the average person doesn't sit there and see those charts
you're talking about. You get it across your phone with
an emergency message and you're like, wait, is that the

(17:07):
bad one or the good one? That's what everybody says.
So they just need to come up with new terminology
or something to just make it less confusing for people,
especially people who live in the Midwest obviously are probably
just way more in tune to this. But for us,
when we only get maybe one or two tornado warnings
a year. If that, it's like every single person's just like,

(17:28):
what does this mean? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, exactly. I mean I feel like for us, like
I get so scared when they happen because they didn't
happen our entire life. I could recall too before the
last couple of years that I ever remembered in my
whole life.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, you're gonna have to adapt. It's we're in a
tornado zone now.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
No, we are, remember too nothing, So Maries Maria goes
and hides in a cabby in her house.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Whenever they say there's gonna be severe weather. We keep
joking that we're gonna put like a TV in that
little room for her, and like a bean bag chair.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I just told Louis last night, I won a wallpaper
and put a cute little rug.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
In there, and maybe a bean bag like Maria's personal
hurricane shelter. Yeah, but watch the house gets sucked right
up and you're in like this prime zone of just
getting sucked right up into it. Well, everybody makes fun
of me, but you guys don't have the warnings quite
like my neighborhood does. And once the couple we've had
in the last couple of years have touched down not

(18:28):
that far from my house, so it's not that far
fetched that I want to go in hiding about it.
But it's always when I'm home alone too that they
have and it is. There has never been a time
where I've been where Fricky's been home, where anybody's been
over here.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's always wan I'm by myself. It's just like really
adds to it. Then my phone goes on SOS mode.
I'm like, this is really great.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
So you need to get one of those red landline
telephones or or something like that that only works in emergencies.
I don't know, maybe you can.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Know where to find me if it happen in the house.
All right, what's going on with this?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Okay? So like let's talk about Saint Patrick's Day because
I just don't get it. I just don't. I don't
get it, like it can be, I don't care. But
I'm not really Irish, so I like, I'm not. Is
that why I don't get it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
First of all, genetically you are Irish. I love Irish, I.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Said, I'm not really because I'm barely listen. I loved it.
So yesterday obviously, Saint Patrick's Day is a reason for celebration,
like an actual reason, because it's my daughter's birthday. Right,
So my dad came over, everybody came over last night.
We had dinner and cake and everything, and I was
so I was like cleaning the dishes in the other room.
But I overheard him say it, and I was so

(19:49):
happy to hear him ask Ricky, what exactly are you celebrating?
I never understood that my whole life. What are you celebrating?
And I was like, thank you, Like this guy gets it.
I been saying, like, what's the It's an excuse, it's
not a celebration. It's an excuse to go out and
get drunk. What are you celebrating?

Speaker 1 (20:08):
You can't argue that about fourth of July? Do you
think people are really you're celebrating the birth of America
on that day? People there really are not celebrate America.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Listen, at least you could say that they are, like
there's an actual that's the reason that we're having that holiday,
Like what is the cell? What is Saint Patrick's Day?
And what is the celebration about?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
This is a major glimpse into your of fun suckerness.
Because you're you don't you don't engage in normal young
people activities. Just let people go out and have fun.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
If they want to say they can't, people could do
whatever they want. I just I just want an explanation.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
So just sound like such a Karen about it. Just like,
if people want to go out every reason to celebrate,
let them listen.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I brought my kids and one of their friends to
the city this weekend, and I don't even understand how
I possibly ended up like right in the smack in
the middle of both of the old Irish bars.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Because Philadelphia is an enormous place to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, like everybody's walking around drunk in the middle of
the day wearing green I just like, Okay, if it's fun,
that's fine. I just I just don't get it. So
let's talk about what happened to these college students on
Saint Patrick's Day.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Well, at University of Pittsburgh, a bunch of college kids
were celebrating the holiday. Obviously, everybody's drinking. At some point
during this party, thirty people pile onto the roof of
this front porch and then it suddenly collapses obviously due
to the weight on it, and one of the most
concerning parts of this for me is the girl that
took the video of the roof collapsing is saying, well,
everybody did it last year and there wasn't a problem.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
What so exactly so, and guess what, they're all wearing
green T shirts. Surprise. This is exactly why. This is
one of a few stories that I just this is
why I don't want my kids to go away to college.
Their brains are just not developed yet. When you see
this house, so it's a house, it's just like a
regular house, an older house. And they're standing on a

(22:03):
porch roof. It's not it's not that it was a
specific deck that was made on a second floor for
people to stand on. They're standing on the roof of
a porch. The roof of a porch is put on
so you don't get wet in the rain. There's no
structural integrity to that to hold it up, to hold
any weight beside shingles and maybe snow. Like, it's not

(22:25):
made for thirty human beings that weigh over one hundred
pounds to be standing on. That's that's outrageous to me.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
No, And like, I'm not even really concerned about the
people who are on the roof getting her. I'm concerned
about the people who are underneath of it and under.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like, what's happening? Is it because they're all drunk? It
has to be right?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
No, I think people are just like really dumb anymore.
I from being honest because we have stories a lot
of times like this where people are completely sober and
doing dumb shit like this.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, it's just a bad combination. And this is why
I'm anti sending my kids away to college. So it's
like alcohol just makes you dumb, and then the brains
aren't formed altogether. It's just a big and then people
are just dumb, and then add weed into it. There's
just a lot of dumbness going on. So like, I
don't want my kids to go away and be in
situations like that, because it's alarming that one person would

(23:17):
do it, let alone thirty and how many were standing
underneath of it. It's just like all of those brains
together still couldn't have figured out that that was a
bad idea.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
The worst part for me is the university had to
send out a memo telling the students not to stand
on a roof, and I'm like, are we seriously at
this point where we're telling these people that are legally
adults not to stand on a roof, I don't know.

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Speaker 2 (25:01):
So, yeah, we have this other story at a University
of Pittsburgh. Again. This is what makes me just not
want to send my kids away to college. And I
just like, I'm not into the trips with the young
kids all together, and the drinking. It's really like the
drinking is makes things worse in my opinion. So why
don't we talk about this one?

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, please forgive my pronunciation of this girl's name, Sudishka Kunanki.
She's twenty years old. She's a junior at University of Pittsburgh.
So she went to Puna Kana on spring break with
some of her friends and on March sixth, her friend
said they all went to the beach together and then
she stayed behind with some people she met on the trip. Well,
that's the last time they've seen her.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I feel tired. As soon as I heard about this,
I was like, I'm getting Natalie Holloway vibes exactly now,
is it? So? So, of course there's a guy involved.
Well the story.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
You know, at first, when you hear of a girl
on a trip with their friend, of course you think
of Natalie Holloway. But there's so many eerily similar details
between the two cases. So yeah, there's this guy involved
named Joshua, so police have been questioning him. He's allegedly
the last person that's seen her alive. So he was
saying they were in waste deep water, talking and kissing

(26:19):
a little when a big wave came in and swept
them away. The hotel is saying that there were red
flags out that day indicating that there was really strong
current and high waves. So I guess he's claiming that
they were swept away in this wave, but he was
able to get her back to shore and then he
turned around, and then when he turned back to ask
her if she was okay, she wasn't there anymore. So
he's he thinks that she's just walked up and left.

(26:40):
But I'm like, dude, you're on a beach. You would
see somebody for half a mile if they were walking away.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Were they So that I guess my first question is
did he come forth? Because I know they found him
on surveillance videos, So is that how they found him
or he came forth and was like she I was
with her that night. I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I'm exactly sure that detail what I think is really
interesting about this case is the police are saying there's
no suspects and they're treating it as a missing persons
and not necessarily as a homicide. But why did they
take his passport away from him? And why are they
having police escort him everywhere he goes? So he's an
American too, Yeah, so he's a student at University of Minnesota.

(27:25):
He's twenty two years old.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
So he so did they find him in Minnesota or
was he still on the trip? When he's still there,
I don't even think he's allowed to leave the country
rangew Okay, So well, I mean, I guess they're keeping
him there because he's the only person. So I guess
that the theory could be correct because if they're saying
that you shouldn't have been out in the water, and

(27:48):
they were out in the water, which is possible because
people just ignore those signs. I guess what I'm having
a hard time with is didn't they find her clothes
on the beach or something?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I did read that they found underclothes on the beach.
And I'm definitely not saying he did it. I just
think his account of what happened is kind of weird,
and maybe he was drinking and he doesn't have good
memory of it or something because it was in the
middle of the night. I think they said it was
around four o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's just it's just odd that unless he was completely
wasted and just wasn't paying attention to really what was happening.
Just think in general, like, I mean, whatever they were doing,
they were on a date, right, So if you're just
on a date for a couple hours and then all
of a sudden your date is just like gone, it's

(28:37):
just a little weird.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't think they were on a date. I think
they were hanging out and then they just started hooking
up when everybody lived.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
But still it's a date they were I mean, like,
people don't just like leave in the middle of a
hangout session. It's just odd.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
So sure, I don't agree with that, but it's yours.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Just like make out with a guy in the ocean
and go back to the beach and turn around, Oh,
I guess, I guess we're here Like that. That's weird.
I'm not saying it's like, hey, I'm leaving now, like it.
You don't just hang up on someone on the phone
in the middle of the conversation. It's kind of like.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
That, Sure, if that's what you want to think. Sure,
but young people definitely do make out at parties and
stuff and just get up and walk away. I think
that the added element of them being in the ocean
and then being swept up is interesting that, you know,
he's saying that they were like, you know, taken down
by this wave, and then he said he got her
back to shore and then all of a sudden she

(29:31):
wasn't there. But I don't know how quickly this goes down.
Maybe another wave came in and swept her away really quick.
Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
But this is why this is so similar to the
Natalie Halloway case.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Because did it You're on vander Sleuth. The guy that
was he is like accused of being killer.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
By the way, was he ever formally convicted of killing her,
because remember they kept arresting him and then they couldn't
prove he did it, and then he killed another person later.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
He's definitely in trouble. That was the first time I
think he ever got arrested. Is when he is when
he or like be not arrested but put in prison
for killing the other girl. Yeah, I'm not. I honestly
don't know, but I guess. So this is what's odd
I guess about this case. So now her parents maybe
it's not odd because I'm sure it's for burial or

(30:20):
religious purposes or whatever. But her parents are asking the
Dominican if they could declare her dead, and I think,
and I'm kind of like, well, like why, like why
unless it's unless it's, like I said, for religious or
burial purposes.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
All I could think is that information that we don't
have is the public right now, is that they really
believe she accidentally was swept up in the water and died.
I mean, I was hearing I think it's I think
it's it's it's too early.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Hasn't it only been like ten days?

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's been twelve days since she went missing. Also, I
was hearing interviews with people that know the Joshua kid,
and they all, by all accounts, it seems like he's
a pretty good kid that's never been in trouble.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
I mean, I'm sure if he was the guy like
a couple of weeks ago that ate his brother's eyeballs,
like what that doesn't I don't saying anything. I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
More information could come out, but I don't want to
just assume he's guilty because he happened to be the
last person with her. I mean, they were in the
ocean and the waters were rough. It's completely possible that
his drunk curR and swept her away. I think his
story of it is unusual, but it was the middle
of the night.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
He could have been drinking.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
You don't know. I do think it's strange, But I
also could understand if you're a grieving parent and there's
a large possibility your daughter's not going to be found,
Like why keep reliving through it every single day? Like
some people just have to do it to move on.
But it's a little it's I don't know, it's just
it's just a little unusual to me, Like why listen,

(31:55):
she's dead. If she comes up alive, I would be shocked, honestly.
But weirder things have happened.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Like this next case, Yes exactly, Like Okay, this shit
is outrageous, So let's.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Start getting into this one. So in Connecticut, emergency workers
get a call about a fire at a residential home.
So they get there and they find this fifty six
year old woman. She's I guess the homeowner. She has
gotten to safety, but they find out that her thirty
two year old stepson is trapped in the house. So
they go in the house and they get him out,
and then he confessed that he set the fire himself

(32:29):
using computer paper, hand sanitizer, and a lighter because he
had been held captive in his bedroom for over twenty years.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I just can't even believe that this is true. Now
her defense attorney is like, no, you have this all wrong.
This is she's innocent, and it's just like, yeah, dude,
this guy was five foot nine and seventy pounds, a
grown man who's been abused by his wicked stepmother since
he was starting in fourth grade, it accounts, and he's

(33:00):
talking to police and telling them everything that he was,
which is this is interesting that he went to school
and he was asking people for food and then he
started stealing it and picking it out of the trash,
and then she found the rappers, and then she would
do more punishment on him and stuff, and it got
to the point where they she disenrolled him from school,

(33:20):
and then the Division of or the Department of Children
and Families actually went to the house to see where
he was, because I mean, I guess that's the benefit
of when children are in public school because they have
to be accounted for at that point. So the state's
just like, what's going on with this kid. You can't
just take a kid out of school in the middle
of fourth grade unless you're homeschooling them and you have
documentation of that. So they go and investigate, and they

(33:44):
were called apparently a couple times, and then finally the
stepmom was filed a harassment complaint saying that they had
no reason to be going there. And at that point
he kind of fell out of the system and just
nobody went back and checked every again again. I mean,
that's so concerning.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I see this as a total failure of the system
because you know, there was many people, in my opinion,
reading this privy to what was going on. They said
there was an uncle that was staying at the house
and he eventually they told him he couldn't stay there anymore.
So you have to think another adult knows about this.
What was his father doing about this. His father didn't
even die until last January, so this has been going

(34:26):
on for twenty years and the father was just letting
this happen.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah. And the weird thing is, though, is that at
some point someone had called an investigator, because even that
uncle that was staying there was just like, we've been
asking about the kid. Then they said that they they
had said they hadn't seen him in years. I guess
they were implying that he ran away or something. And
the uncle was trying to talk to an investigator, and
the investigator suggested, maybe you should try to see if

(34:52):
you could find a death certificate for the kid. Maybe
he ran away and he died or something. And I mean,
like that guy was staying there though, and I'm not
sure he didn't seem like he knew that the kid
was there. That's that's what I'm saying, Like, I don't
he he did bring up that I haven't seen the kid,
and something's weird here. So, and the kid was locked

(35:16):
the kid, he's thirty two years old. He was locked
in a room and given two sandwiches a day. I mean,
he was he was locked away. So there is a possibility,
I guess that a person could be living in a
house and nobody would know that the person was there.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, I mean, I guess we just don't really know
the layout of the house and where people were allowing
them to go, because if you think about it, most
of the time, like I mean, I my house isn't
set up like this. But if you were to have
people over your house for Christmas, for example, like you're
not gonna like have people go upstairs like your house
guests go upstairs, right, So like if people are visiting

(35:53):
the home, they're not going in every single room of
your home anyway, so they might just not know what's
going on in more private area of the house, like
the betroom areas. But I just think this is really
concerning because they're saying that there was two half sisters
living at the house, so there's other children living there too,
but their friends were never allowed to come over in
case of this being discovered. And then the kid had

(36:15):
a window in his room, but he was scared to
death to open it because he didn't one further retaliation,
And then the older he got, the more severe the
punishment got and the locks got. At first, they were
letting him go out of the house a couple hours
a day to do chores, and then by the time
he was fourteen fifteen, he was only allowed to go
out for fifteen minutes at a time, and then I
guess at some point he was never allowed to go out.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
So I just don't know how this woman possibly thinks
she's getting away with this just based on his appearance alone.
Like I said, he was five nine and seventy pounds.
I mean, that's that's he was near death's store at
that weight, just as it is. His hair was dirty
and matted together, his teeth were rotten. I mean, I'm sorry,

(36:57):
but how are you going to get away with that
and say that you're innocent. There's just no reason that
an adult would be living. And she looks like she's
got makeup on, even though it's terrible, but like she
looks well nourished and like she's got clothes on and
her hair's brought you know what I mean. Like it's
a clear case of abuse, and it's just terribly sad.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, it really is. This is what her attorney said. Quote,
he was not locked in a room, She did not
restrain him in any way, She provided food, she provided shelter. Okay,
then why would they search the house? Did they find
this like plywood and special lock system on his bedroom
that clearly he couldn't get out.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm curious when the fire happened, since she got out
to safety, if she told the fire department, if there
was someone else in there, or they found him when
they were searching.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I'm curious about that too, And I'm wondering. I mean,
he clearly was so desperate to get out. He maybe
was just like, I don't even care if I die, Like,
at least.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I believe that he actually said that. He was just like,
you know what, I'm either gonna get out or I'm
gonna die either way.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Like, so, when his dad died last January, he was
able to leave for a little bit, I guess, to
grieve his dad. Like, how nice of this lady, right,
And then he was wearing an old jacket of his
dad's and that's where he found the lighter. Because of course,
I was like, how did he even get access to that?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
This is interesting actually too, because so you're saying he
was allowed to leave, so he presumably went to some
kind of a funeral or something.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
No, I don't think he went to a funeral. I
think he was allowed to leave the room.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Oh okay, so he didn't leave the house. Because I
was going to say, who the hell saw this guy
in this condition and wasn't like, what is happening here? No? No,
he was allowed to leave the room. And you know,
now he's safe and he's in a hospital, and that's great.
But I'm just thinking, like, you're thirty two years old,
How in the world is this? How are you ever
going to recover from this?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
He's going to have he even though he seems like
you know, when I first read about this, I was like,
I don't know if maybe he had like some mental
disorder on top of being held captive and everything, but
how can you not form one after being abused in
this type of way for so long? I mean, I
have even if he gets healthy and he's in treatment

(39:08):
and everything, he's gonna have severe PTSD from this the
rest of his life. How is he ever gonna trust anybody?
I don't know. If you saw just this morning, NBC
reported about his biological mother. So apparently she had given
up custody of him when he was a really little kid,
and she had been looking for him in recent years
and wasn't able to locate him. So that's what's weird

(39:29):
to me too.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It is weird. The whole story is just so weird,
and it's just so it's so terrible that people would
ever do this to a child and now an adult.
I mean, she ruined his life. It's just that simple,
and it's it's just so terrible.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
So the stepmom's facing charges of assault, kidnapping, and cruelty.
I'm really interested for more details about this case, especially
with other children being involved. Obviously the dad had some involvement,
of course, because we just wrote about Ruby Frank, I mean,
I didn't really cover this in part one necessarily, but
there's a lot of similarities to this coming up in

(40:06):
this week's part two, where we talk about, you know,
her locking her kids in this like bunker and this
Jodie woman's house and rubbing Cayenne Pepper in their wounds
after she beat them, and starving them and writing these
detailed diary entries about how she thought they were possessed
by Satan, and it's just really terrible. It really is
so all Right, the next case that we're talking about

(40:29):
is another terrible case. So I read this article this
week and I almost thought that it was a reprint
of a story because it's so similar to another story
that I believe that we've covered on here at some
point on our podcast, and it's it's not it's happened again,

(40:49):
and it's almost the same story. Well, I think this
has happened a couple of times, and there was an
episode there, you know that show I Survived. Yeah, there
was an episode about this with a woman that survived
an attack like this. So basically, in Brazil, this woman
shows up to the hospital with a newborn baby, claiming
she just gave birth to it. And then the hospital
is getting a little concerned because there's no signs at

(41:11):
all that she was pregnant or just gave birth. So
they have the police look into this, and they go
to her house and as they're searching the house, they
find this dead teenager buried in her backyard and more shockingly,
she clearly had a baby cut out of her stomach.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So this sounds familiar to you guys, right, because there
was a case back in twenty nineteen in Chicago where
it was so wait, we didn't say how how she
got the pregnant woman, how she had access to her, No,
So basically what happened is this lady was pregnant and

(41:48):
she had a miscarriage. She didn't tell her family so
they thought she was pregnant. I don't know how you're
keeping up that ruse with everybody that you're interacting with daily,
but obviously because especially especially because in theory you would
be like, at least you don't have to be having
sex with them, but at least like naked or getting
undressed at some point in front of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
But and do you think I was wondering this too,
I'm like, did she have a fake belly? Do you
think she kept having sex with him hoping that she
would get pregnant again to like self correct this issue.
I don't know, But obviously there's a time limit on
this because everybody thinks you're pregnant and you have to
give birth eventually. So she lures this pregnant teenager to

(42:29):
her house saying through Facebook, saying that she has a
free baby clothing to give her. And I believe that's
how the woman on I Survive got attacked too, was
through like a Facebook marketplace ad for free baby clothes.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
So, and that's what happened in the case with Chicago
in twenty nineteen. It was an ad on Facebook for
free baby clothes, and there was another one that just
happened in twenty twenty two with another Facebook ad, except
this time the woman was pretending to give the pregnant
woman a job opportunity. So fa f book has happened
in many of these cases, which is super disturbing, and

(43:05):
I feel like, I mean, it's involved with lots of homicide.
So you really should just never be meeting strangers on
the internet. That's just like a given rule of life
in general. But did you know that the number one
manner of death in pregnant women is homicide. It's not
actually a natural cause of death or an accidental cause

(43:26):
of death is homicide. Yeah, so there's just something about
pregnant ladies that people want to kill them. It is
really terrifying actually, But yeah, so this lady shows up
to the hospital. Now, if you go to the hospital
and say I just had a big with a brand
new baby, and you go there and say I just
gave birth to this kid in my car, they're gonna

(43:48):
want to examine you because they're gonna want to make
sure that the placenta came out and then make sure
it all came out because if it didn't, it could
cause bleeding and it can cause infection. Serious complications. They
just want to make sure you're not bleeding more than
normal and they check you. So they do an examine
this lady and like, duh, imagine giving birth to a

(44:09):
huge baby, this was a term baby. Your your your
vadge would look like there was like a little bit
of trauma there, don't you think? So you're yeah, your
vaginal canal would be stretched, your cervix would still be dilated,
your uterus wouldn't even be done being contracted all the
way down, And they just were like, yeah, no, like
this didn't happen. And they they actually called police from

(44:31):
the hospital and were like something's up here. And it's
just so disturbing that you would you would kill a
human and take that that person away from their mother,
like that baby away from their mother. It's just so gross.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
But like why, you know, why would you also not
tell your family you had a miscarriage and then go
to these steps like what is going on with this person?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Maybe she thought a baby was gonna save her marriage
and he would be disappointed. I mean, like people get
weird about stuff like that. Honestly, Like I don't think
I just think that that's not super unusual that a
husband might be disappointed or that's just that's life and
that happens, especially in certain cultures, that definitely happens. It's

(45:16):
more like, okay, well, like the rest of the world
just has to have deal with the disappointment or whatever,
because you can't hide that. And really having a miscarriage
is it's super upsetting and you want to have support
there and everything. I can't even imagine going through something
like that, not only for the physical part of it,
but just the mental part of it. Going through something

(45:37):
like that and not telling anybody about it. She was
probably just embarrassed for whatever reason, and it went from there.
I just don't know what people are thinking that they
could actually get away with this. It's just so it's
so odd and nobody would question where the where the
dead pregnant girl was, Like come on, it's just it's

(45:57):
just outrageous.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Well, you have to quit the husband's involvement too, because
you're like, seriously, you didn't realize your wife wasn't pregnant
for six months and like her belly wasn't getting bigger,
and like again, like you're saying it, I'm sure ninety
nine percent of married people get naked in front of
each other besides having sex, So like, it's just really
odd to me he didn't.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I would make it in front of one of my
family members every single day, whether it's getting out of
the shower or whatever. Like it's just when you live
in a house, Like I feel like it just happens.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Well, Furthermore, they're saying that she buried this girl in
a shallow grave, So like, would the husband have not
eventually come across the whole dead body buried in his backyard?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I don't know. I just think it's really lot of
disturbing stories this week, especially like this one.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
This next case also involves Facebook.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
It's it's Facebook is just like a cesspool of crime.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
No, it really is. I mean you have to think
like people. This new tool comes about like twenty twenty
five years years ago. Right of course people use it
for evil. It's what everybody's arguing about AI. It's cool
to go on AI and Google, like make a picture
of blah blah blah, right and have something funny to
make fun of. Remember when I was putting my face

(47:12):
on all those different years, so like make me look
like a Victorian woman. Whatever, But somebody will use it
for evil eventually anyway.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Oh oh, they already are. They're putting like children's pictures
on porn and stuff. It's fucking terrible.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Uh all right, So last year, these two dogs have
been taken to a shelter after their owner died from
natural causes, but they ended up eating the owner before
the person was discovered. So at the shelter, the dogs
throw up this guy's toes and other remains. So then
this woman, Joanna, goes into work at the shelter, finds
the toes in a bin and thinks it's a good

(47:47):
idea to bring the toes home, throw them in some
formal dyde and try to sell them on Facebook. Like
what you know what?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I was just thinking, actually, and I really hope we
could talk to somebody about this. Do you think face
this book has a whole entire division that they deal
with this particular stuff like crimes that happen because they
they definitely get reported to them and they have police
contact them, FBI contact them all the time to look
into certain people. I'm just like really curious of that

(48:16):
aspect of Facebook.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Well, it's my understanding that things like this are delegated
to the FBI because they're online. So I would think
the question is is does the FDI. Does the FBI
have a division specifically for Facebook.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
No, I'm sure they do. I'm sure they have a
whole entire social media like a division of multiple people.
I actually could find that out because I know somebody
that works there. But anyway, so I'll get back to
you guys on that. But so, she she's in some
active member Facebook group where specimens are bought and sold,
and she heard that she could get up to two

(48:57):
hundred and fifty dollars if she sold these two. Oh,
so that's why she decided to do it. Are there
like pictures of these posts that she made on Facebook?
By any chance, I'll have to do a deep dive
for them. We need to find that, because I mean, listen,
I never like this is very interesting that this story
came up today because I never even thought about this,

(49:18):
like this happens. This just happened with Gene Hackman, for example,
like him and his wife died at the house, and
they brought the dogs that survived somewhere somebody as the dogs.
And I brought this up last week that I was
curious as to how the dogs were eating this entire
time that nobody was feeding them, so that information has

(49:39):
never been released. This is just something I'm assuming, but
just the many times that we know that, you know,
pets eat their owners when they die. I'm really really
curious to see what happens when these pets go to
a vet office. If any of you work in a
vet office, like I would just never would think that

(49:59):
they might throw up and have human body parts in it.
It's just very disturbing. But it seems like the woman
wasn't working at there at the time, and maybe one
of her co workers told her about it, and they
it seems like she took them out of the trash
and then put them in from aldehyde and brought them
home like it's just okay, Like that's how you want

(50:21):
to make two hundred and fifty dollars. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I guess my question is how do you think you're
not getting in trouble for that? Also, I was really
curious how a group that's dedicated to selling and buying
specimens is not prohibited on Facebook. But I guess that
taxidermy sales are legal, correct, so like.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, and certain certain things are. It depends too, because
she was in Australia. Right, Yeah, so certain countries have
different laws. I mean, you're not allowed to buy every
single animal that's taxidermied either some of them are illegal,
other times some of them are considered like exempt because
they're front. They're maybe an old specimen, like a really

(51:07):
really like an animal that maybe wasn't considered endangered in
the past, or even one that might have been. But
the taxi Army was done in the twenties, so it's
you know, like stuff like that. There's like all these
rules which I don't know what they are, but I mean,
and I don't know how Facebook monitors things like that
because the rules change state to state, country to country,

(51:30):
and if it's a group that has members from all
over the world in it, I don't really know how
they monitor that. But I'm pretty sure that we know
they're not monitoring a lot. I think that they created
this and they just, you know, we say this all
the time. They just create these things and think of
all the great and they don't think about all the bad,

(51:50):
and then all the bad starts happening and they just
can't stay on top of it. They don't know how
to stay on top of it.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Like people going on live streams and cutting off other
people's heads.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, just all of that stuff. So, I mean, and
it's like someone just got We said that the person
got murdered on. Was that on TikTok or YouTube? The
one we talked about earlier today was YouTube?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Right, that was YouTube?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, I mean, and there's going to be a certain level.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Of I don't know it was a YouTuber, but she.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Was live streaming. I guess we don't know where she
was live streaming. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I'm just saying that because if she had a popular YouTube,
she would be her title would be a YouTuber, but
she could have been theory been live streaming on another
so she had a platform.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
But regardless, like it's just I mean, how do you
prevent all of it? So anyway, this lady's getting in trouble.
She's facing up to two years in prison.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
She was facing up to two years in prison, but
she made a plea deal, so she ended up getting
sentenced with eighteen month non custodial sentence, which includes one
hundred and fifty hours of community service. So I yeah,
could I guess I don't think she should go to
jail for it. Yeah, she didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
It's it's gross. I mean, if they were throwing them
in the trash whatever, it's gross. But what's really gross
is this next story is freaking gross. No, this is horrible.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Last month in China, these two seventeen year olds were
eating at a popular hot pot chain. So they're eating
in this private dining room and they decide to make
videos of them peeing in the hot pot and then
they post it online and it goes viral. So of
course people are freaking out.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
That have eaten at this restaurant. So listen, like in
the grand scheme of things, I think we've talked about
this before because unfortunately people pee in people's food and
we have to talk about it. Urine is just the
like the least inert I guess you would say of
body fluids. It's not like you're drinking someone's blood, which

(53:53):
could really expose you to bloodborne pathogens. Urine carries some stuff,
but it's not it's it's not terrible. It's just more
like it's just really the thought of it is just
really gross. You could get certain like typhoid or something,
but like in an average person, you're in a sterile
inside the body and then it comes out and it

(54:13):
and it hits your skin and it gets bacteria on it,
and you I guess in theory you could get stick
from some of that bacteria, but it's like not very
likely for it to happen. But it's just freaking disgusting.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, I mean, it is really gross, and it seeming
like the bigger problem with this story is that people
alerted the restaurant, but they weren't taking the claim seriously,
and then we're trying to allege that people were trying
to hurt their reputation, and then by the time they
finally took it seriously, that it was this greater issue.

(54:44):
So they've offered a reason that they.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Only take it seriously when they saw the viral video.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
But I think people were reporting it beforehand, so why
aren't they taking it seriously?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
This is this is like a pretty big deal chain
and there's even a couple hero I heart I think
I've read. So now they're going to compensate all of
these forty one hundred orders between the dates where they
think that this happened with a full refund plus ten
times that amount of money. So they're like scared shitless

(55:16):
that this is going to affect their business because that's
a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Well, I was wondering if because they were blowing it
off at first, they had to really go hard on
the refunds and giving extra because of how serious this
is and how gross it is, and because they weren't
taking it seriously, and then they were like, we have
to do everything in our power to make it right. Yeah,
Because I'm like, if they just at first were like,

(55:41):
oh my god, we're so sorry, we're definitely going to
refund people from these days, blah blah blah, they might
not have had to take the extra step to make
it right. But you can't act like people are just
trying to hurt your reputation when there's like video of
people pissing in the pot pots at your restaurant.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
All right, speaking of this, this is definitely the grossest
video of the week.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
So this woman's in the Bronx. She's walking down the
street and she sees this man take a dead rat
off of the street and just start eating it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
You watch this video and you just can't believe it.
So to me, the grossest part because people eat rats.
It's I know it's gross in America, but people in
different cultures eat rats. It's just the way it is.
It's really not any grosser than eating any kind of animal,
except in New York City rat it's just extra gross
because they're in the city and they're just eating whatever

(56:33):
off of the ground, and they just seem the grosser
than the average animal. Right, You're not really supposed to
ever eat raw meat. It's never really considered safe, so
if you cook it, then it kills off all of
the bacteria and viruses that you could possibly and parasites
that you could possibly get. Let's talk about gene Hackman,
right and the haunt of virus. Now, it hasn't been

(56:55):
found in New York City, so we don't have to
worry about that, but in theory, you could get hantavirus
for eating a rodent like that raw and uncooked, because
you'll be eating their fecal matter, which is how you
contract that virus like salmonella leptosporiasis. Like this is really
really bad.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Obviously, it seems like this person was having some mental
health issues because why would you just pick up a
dead rat and eat it like that? And it seems
like in this video he's like giving it a mini
dissection in his hands first, and then when he pulls
up to his mouth and takes the bite, I'm thinking,
in my mind, he's just like biting the fur, right. No,

(57:35):
there's like this gross white string of organ that comes
between his mouth and the rats. So discussing he.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Could totally be out of his mind, which is possible,
but like it's the same as a conversation that we
had about the guy that was catching the pigeon in
the bag in New York City as well, Like people
are coming from other cultures and maybe they eat that
wherever he's from. I don't know. It's nasty, but whatever,
Like it's it's who cares what the dude eat if

(58:02):
she wants to eat it, Like it's not hurting you.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Yeah, because they're saying the New York City officials are
trying to like locate him and try.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
To get him help you, I mean, like listen, like
he's probably gonna get sick with something, but like whatever,
so like that that's just whatever. How's that going to
hurt other? I don't know whatever.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Like you're saying, though, some people eat rats and other cultures,
but typically they are cooked, so I think it's pretty unusual.
To just pick up a dead rodent off of the
ground and then start snacking on it. But let's move
on to questions of the day. Every Friday at the
app Mother knows that Instagram account, You guys could head
over to our story and ask us whatever you want. First,

(58:41):
would mass casualties after wars call for autopsies on each
deceased person?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I would say No. There might be circumstances where there's
there's an attack or something on a building and they
weren't sure if it was friendly fire or not, so
they might do some investigation to see if they could
figure out what caused that in a very smaller group
of people. But to do mass casualty events, no, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Two, can you see changes on the brain of someone
with severe mental health disorders?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
So if the person was having depression or something before death,
and let's say you did the autopsy and it turns out, oh,
they had a brain tumor or something, then yes, you
would see that. If you would see Parkinson's, which and
these types of disease could have they could have an
effect on mental health, Alzheimer's and things like that. So

(59:33):
you could see things like that. But as far as
just straightforward like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression. You can't see that,
and you can't even see it under the microscope. In fact,
there's not even imaging really that could show that stuff.
So yeah, unfortunately it's a chemical thing that's going on

(59:53):
or a structural thing that they just can't identify under
the microscope as of yet.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
All Right, last favorite cult classic movies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
So I had to look up what was considered a
cult classic because one of the first things that popped
in my brain was like Killer Clowns from Outer Space
or some crazy movie like that, which I love that movie,
by the way, But then when I looked it up,
it's every single movie. There's list of one hundred movies,
and I'm like, oh, I've seen all these movies and
they're great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
So well, I think it's defined as like a movie
that has a niche following but wasn't like you would
want to think about Tim Burton movies, right, Like, it's
a very niche following, but they don't count because they
were like box office hits. So it's these weird, obscure,
obscure movies that have niche followings but were not initially hit.

(01:00:44):
So like when I'm thinking of it. I'm thinking of
like Malret, Princess Bride, Napoleon Dynamite, like weird artsy movies,
you know. Yeah, And I love all those movies, and
probably like Hairspray. Yeah, i'd say hairs like that, the
original Hairspray, I think, yeah, ye, where Harrishbray was a
pretty big box office hit. I would say the most

(01:01:05):
popular now is probably like Big Lebowski, right for us,
probably like Rome and Michelle, but things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I love Rome and Michelle, and the new one's coming out,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I listen, that's cool and everything, but I think they
should just stop touching things that are perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Wait did you see that a trailer came out for
the new Freaky Friday? No? I didn't it, did it does?
It's like, e of course it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Because these movies are I don't know if people that
listen would consider Freaky Friday to be great per se,
but in our household it was pretty big. So I
love that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I must. They were saying that that Mean Girls is
a cult classic, and I'm like, what this is what?
I'm kind of confused because a lot of the movies
on there, Like I wrote some down on like kill Bill,
which I love. I love like any Tarantino movie, so
but I don't know, like I saw it at the

(01:02:02):
movie theater, just I don't I don't consider a cult classic,
but I guess it is. Like That's why I think
like Killer Clowns from Outer Space is an example, because
it's like a low budget, like weird A lot of
people haven't heard of it. But then you know, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
When I think of these movies, I think of what
you're saying, like low budget, but they're like artsy and
they're weird, right, They're not like the you know what's
like a big movie. They're not like Barbie Last Year Oppenheimer,
like these movies that are designed to be this giant
box office.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
But like so many movies are like that that we watch.
But they even had like sixteen candles and stuff on
the list, and I'm like, I don't want to put
that in that category to me, But maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah, I would agree with you. I think that it's
up to interpretation. But I think for me, it's like
I love The Big Lebowski. I think that's one of
the bigger ones. If you're gonna go with, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
That one's great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I think Princess Brian's pretty big too, though, Like, but
was it a huge hit when it first came out.
It is such a weird movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I don't know, I just love I love movies like that.
I mean because I like, I really love watching a
movie that just has a like a more original idea
that hasn't been done before, which is kind of impossible anymore. Yeah,
I mean I haven't seen I don't know, Like I'm
not a movie connoisseur, but like I don't need to be.
I'm a consumer, and like shit's been lame, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I mean, movies definitely have not been as good the
last couple of years, but hopefully they'll be on a
path to getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I think show I read an article the other day
that they're just never gonna get better and they were
blaming it on COVID a lot, but which, well, listen,
I understand that that that's totally a thing, but like
I'm just over all of these actors and they're just
so self important and like, I don't know, I just
I like, back in the day, I think there was

(01:04:01):
so much mystery to famous people that you were just
intrigued by their glamorous lifestyle and you didn't really know
them as a person but more as an actor. And
now all these people talk and you're just like, eh,
could you just like there's certain people that I used
to love that now I'm like, like, I don't ever
want to watch her movie again. You suck so bad,
you know?

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
So, yeah, definitely, So it's not helping them, I think though.
Another thing they consider is that TV shows used to
just be like the sitcoms we used to watch and
stuff like that, right, and now TV shows have taken
on this new cinematic element to them, and I think
that's taking away from movies, because why make a two

(01:04:42):
hour movie when you could make a limited series with
eight episodes and tell the story in a longer form
over eight episodes and have it be more compelling, you know? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
So I think so like when like a lot of times,
you see a movie and you love it so much
and then there's never any more it. It's just like that's it,
and you never get a sequel and there's never anything
else again. And and this too, Like that makes sense
that you're saying that reactually because people could just be
at like home and their pajamas watching it all the time,

(01:05:14):
and there it's just a sad because the movies used
to be so glamorous, but they never really were when
I was a kid. But it was packed when I
was a kid, though, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Yeah, I think just with shows and stuff, because like
I'm I'm watching Severance right now, and I'm just thinking, like,
you could never make that type of story into a
two hour movie. It just would not cut, like cut
the same way, you know, Like some of these shows
that I think are some of these movies maybe that
are in the process of getting made. I think people

(01:05:50):
realize they'll do bet better as a series as far
as storytelling, and you're gonna make so much more money
because you're gonna have way more ads to put in,
Like you're saying you can have a couple of year
run instead of a one off. So I think that's
more about why they're being affected so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
It's a bummer because I look, I do look every
single weekend and think like, maybe we can go to
the movies. And really, the best time when we were
going to the movies all the time was during COVID
because nothing was coming out and they were playing old
movies and they were only charging five dollars a person.
Like I took the kids, what did I take them
to see recently? I don't even remember what it was.

(01:06:28):
I took them to see, like the four of them,
them and their friends or whatever to go see the movie.
And it's just like it costs eighty some dollars and
that was just for the tickets, Like, like, who wants
to who wants to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
I do because I want the popcorn and the cherry coke.
But but when you but it's because it's you, or
maybe you and Ricky, but when you start like having
kids and then you have to buy it for multiple people.
It's nice once in a while, but that's that's not
something you can do once a week or a couple
times a week.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
It's just a lot of money. Yeah, you can watch
it for whatever at home. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Ricky actually hates the movies, which really bums me out.
I've gone by myself a couple of times, so I'm like,
I just have the afternoon to do nothing, and I
really want popcorn and coke and I want to watch
a movie in silence. All right, Well, thank you guys
so much. Please leave us a five star written review
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(01:07:58):
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