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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
On today's episode, where we are going to be talking
about Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Jeffree is a parent's suicide,
public masturbation that is definitely an outrageous story, why white
meat seems to be bad for you now, and a
mortuary owner who is doing some really bizarre experiments on
dead people. So much to talk about on today's episode,
(00:46):
but let's get started with this bizarre case of Virginia Geffree.
All right, first, I want to say sorry for my voice,
but I am a victim of the pollen outside. It
has been a brutal past couple of days, barely been
able to breathe, but you're just.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Gonna have to get through it. So a couple of
weeks ago, we had reported that Virginia Duffree, who's one
of Jeffrey Epstein's most notable accusers, had posted that she
was in this really bizarre accident with a bus and
that doctors had given her only.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Four days to live.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But as the days had passed, this information was coming
out that it seemed like her story wasn't adding up
and it wasn't true, and people were reporting that there
was a bus accident, but it wasn't that bad and
nobody had been reportedly hurt from it. And then because
of that, everybody started, you know, questioning if she was
making it up, and if she was making this up?
(01:37):
Did she make everything else up with Jeffrey Epstein. But
now a couple of weeks has passed since that incident
and she has been found dead in an apparent suicide.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So when she went to the hospital after this accident
that she was in, I guess they were saying that
the police never went to the accident because they weren't available,
and they said if anybody had been injured, to go
to the hospital. So she showed up at the hospital,
but like way after the accident happened, and she said
when she obviously had bruises all over her body when
(02:09):
she got there, and you could see it in the
photo that she posted on social media. But the source
that was giving information from the hospital said that she
didn't tell them where the bruises came from, which is
really bizarre. So that came out and then what about
the husband.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, so after the criticism started coming out about the accident.
Then she came forward and said that she was a
victim of abuse at the hands of her husband. And
before her death, her family had come out and said
that there was an alleged incident in January where I
guess her and her husband have been separated since twenty
twenty three, and she had gone on a trip to
(02:51):
celebrate one of her kid's birthdays and allegedly the husband
had beat her up so badly that she almost lost
her life.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And at that time, so then.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
The husband somehow was able to get this emergency restraining
order against her, saying she had been violent. A couple
of weeks went by, and in February she texted him
which violated that order. She was supposed to appear in
court in I think on April ninth, definitely the beginning
of April, about that violation of the restraining order. Then
(03:22):
this bus accident happened. Also, a week before the bus
accident happened, she had posted on her Instagram a photo
of her children with the caption along the lines of
like my sweet children, you've been poisoned with incorrect information.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So to sum this up, he beat the crap out
of her, somehow turned it around on her, and then
she got her kids taken away from her temporarily allegedly. Yes,
that's what it sounds like happened. Okay, so that's a
lot to deal with obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I remember when we talked about this a couple of
weeks ago. We were Maria and I were saying that
there's Stefane. It seems a little bit of a weird story.
And then you have to start thinking, like, is she
having some kind of a mental health issue, especially because
police were like Nat, that accident wasn't bad, Like, she's
not dying from it whatever she's talking about. So the
(04:15):
first thing that I thought of was, well, if she
knows that she's dying in a couple of days, that
could only mean one thing, right, which is suicide. So
of course, when I heard this a couple of weeks later,
I wasn't surprised because I just kind of felt that
something's been off for the past couple weeks with the story,
and of course anything associated with this WLD Jeffrey Epstein
(04:36):
case I'm always skeptical of anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But so apparently.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Police got a call to her house and that there
was somebody that was unresponsive, a woman unresponsive, and when
they showed up, they said that the EMS or the
emergency medical services had provided some kind of first aid
to this person, but they were not able to resuscitate
them and they were pronounced dead at the scene. Okay,
(05:05):
so that to me means that she likely could have
been already dead. We don't know, but they said they
came out right away and said that it's suspicious for
it's not suspicious for anything like foul play or anything
like that. And they're saying that they really believe that
it's suicide. So when they come out and say that
(05:26):
before the autopsy and everything's even done, that to me
means that they walked in on something that looked like
a suicide, such as she was hanging, or she a
self inflicted gunshot wound or something like that. But they
still have to investigate to death because, as we know,
people always not always, but people kill people and try
(05:47):
to make it look like they killed themselves. So they're
going to do a thorough investigation, especially with her because
she's such a high profile person and there's people that
likely would want to kill her.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, yeah, and I think it's worth bringing up this
social media post she made a couple months after Jeffrey
Epstein's suicide where she had said that a lot of
people wanted her quiet, and at that time, you know,
she was by no means suicidal. But we actually cover
this in the Grocery Miessterday, and I thought you made
a really good point that, yes, she did make this
public statement that at that time she was not suicidal,
(06:23):
but a lot has gone down in her life in
the last six years since she made that post.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, I mean, really, in anyone's life, if you talk
to any of us in twenty nineteen, I'm sure a
lot of people's lives have drastically changed because of everything
that's been going on. But yes, since then, so Jeffrey
Epstein had already you know, killed himself in air quotes
in the jail prior to her making that statement, But
(06:51):
since then, there's been multiple records that have been released.
There's supposed to be more records coming out, and there's
a chance that maybe she knows something like Huges coming
out and maybe that was stressing her out, or like
we don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, you have to imagine every single time there's news
about this case, she has to relive the trauma she
went through every single time it comes in the press. Yeah,
and what is really unfortunate too for her is that
so Jeffrey Epstein's dead, so there's no talking to him anymore,
just Leen Maxwell's in prison, so she's harder to get
a hold of. So it's like she's the next in
(07:27):
line for the Jeffrey Epstein stories unfortunately, So every single
time it's in the press, she probably gets harassed, and
it just it just brings up the trauma over and
over and over again. And as we know, minor.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Victims of sex abuse between ages six and seventeen are
at a higher risk of psychopathy chronic suicidal thoughts PTSD,
so it doesn't seem unlikely that she was going through that.
And really what makes me think that she was was
the statement that was given by her family, which basically said,
(08:03):
you know, she's been struggling with emotional trauma for years
of abuse and it's become too much for her to
live with and she was struggling, so they didn't seem.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
To be surprised about it, which makes.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Me think they definitely, you know, she's been going through
it for quite some time and it would totally make sense.
I mean, most of us know just the Jeffrey Epstein
part of her story.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But Maria and I.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Did a high profile death of section on this yesterday
in the grosser Room, and she she had like crazy
abuse before she even met that dude.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean it started from when she was a child.
She had claimed that a family friend had sexually abused her,
which caused her to run away. She ended up living
between foster homes, and as a teenager she ended up
somehow living with this pimp in Miami. And then right
after that she was trying to start to get her
life together. She got this job working as a locker
room attendant, and that's where she met Galaine Maxwell, who
(09:00):
then introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein and then you know,
a couple of years with them. She then meets her husband,
who now she's alleging his abuse. I think studies have
come out that have shown that people that are victims
of abuse or tend to be more attractive to other abusers,
like they could smell them out almost And because they've
gone through this abuse their whole life, they don't know
(09:21):
what's wrong or how to get out of it, and
they just went getting themselves into these situations.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, and when Gislaine had met her, she confide in
in her, because think about this, you meet a woman
that's older than you that's trying to make friends with.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You, you might confide in her.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
And she told her that she had this history of
being abused and sexual abuse and stuff, and they used
that against her. Then they knew that they could get
away with it with her. So that was really a
sad part of her story too. So at this point
they're going to do this is going to be a
combination of both the death investigation and the autopsy. So
(10:00):
the autopsy is going to look at her body and
they're going to see if the traumatic wounds that she
has to her body are consistent with whatever method of
suicide she used. So for example, if she shot herself
in the head, let's say, but then they look they
detect her neck out and see that she has evidence
of manual strangulation, then that's obviously going to be a
(10:22):
trigger that throwis style play involves, so things like that.
And then they'll also do testing toxicology to make sure
she wasn't on any medications or alcohol, drugs, et cetera.
And that's going to take a while. So that's why
I think as of right now, they didn't one hundred
percent come out and say that she that it's one
(10:43):
hundred percent suicide. They just said we're still investigating. But
as of right now, it seems to be suicide and
it does not seem to be suspicious. So once all
the testing comes back, then when they'll also see if
she has any underlying medical thing that they.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Could see or whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But the other part of the death investigation is that
could because oftentimes when people kill themselves, they don't always
write a note that doesn't happen as much as you
would think it did, but there is usually a history
of suicidal ideations or even depression. Were they being treated
by a therapists, were they own medications, did they have anxiety?
(11:21):
Did they voice their thoughts to anybody that they knew.
So they'll do her social history and see because it's
very weird if a person kills themselves and like you,
interview everyone they know and look at all their medical
records and there's no history of anything like that, then
it would make you a little bit more suspicious that
there was foul play involved.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I mean regardless of the high profile nature of
this case or not. I think it's just a responsible
police work to see if it was an actual suicide
or homicide. Like, they can't just walk on in a
scene that looks like one and just declare that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, exactly, Alright.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Getting to a little bit of a lighter subject, but
still disturbing. Let's talk about this public masturbation.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This is so weird. So there's this waterfront park in
Seattle called Denny Blaine Park and it's unofficially become this
very popular nude beach.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Have you ever been to a nude beach? No, but
I know someone that has, well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I have been to one in Europe actually, and I
just want to say, as somebody that's been to one,
I don't think US Americans are sophisticated or nearly mature
enough to deal with one here. And clearly this one
is resulting in many problems in the community.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So I guess it's an LGBTQ plus park, right, And
I guess since but for a long time, since, for
fifty years, since the seventies, that there's been people that
would want to be topless or something, and it's just
a park for people to gather that feel more comfortable
being undressed or even just like hanging out with each other.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right, And that's all good, but.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I guess that it's been increasingly becoming more than just
a naked like a nude beach. It's becoming sexualized in
a way, and this is now disturbing some of the
neighbors that live in the surrounding neighborhood. So I look
this up and the average the medium sale price for
(13:20):
a house in that neighborhood is two point two million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
So there's it's surrounded by some historic mansions and just
nicer houses. It's just it's it's a very expensive neighborhood.
And people have had complaints that they're walking down the
street and they're seeing people now that are pulling up
and masturbating and watching the naked people in the park.
Well like like it's on video, and I've seen there's
(13:46):
this nine minute video that I saw that they that
they were bringing as part of this lawsuit of a
compilation of all of these masturbating videos that that people
are taking in the neighborhood. And it is outrageous to
think that that would be happening right outside of your house.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, well, I understand the point you're trying to make
about it being like a nicer neighborhood, but like, I
don't think or living in a wealthier neighborhood in this
particular situation is gonna avoid it. Because if you just
had a beachfront property, I mean, this could be happening too.
It doesn't necessarily matter where. But the problem in this
case is that it's like attracting these predators. So these
(14:25):
people are going I'm not laughing because it's funny, it's
just so ridiculous, like these people are going there and
where these people are just trying to enjoy, you know,
being in their bodies and being themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
These of course, these predators.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Are going there and they're like not only masturbating, but
they're like these men are exposing their penises to women
or men and asking them to touch them, and all
this sexual like deviance is going on there, and the
neighborhood is just not.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Having it well.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I don't blame them, because there are new beaches
in America, not just you know, like you were saying
that European wants like a whole other thing, but they're around,
They're in a lot all different places around the country,
and this isn't doesn't seem to be happening. So I
think a lot of it just has to do with,
you know, this one guy keeps going around in this
(15:14):
red truck and it's not like, let me be very
descriptive as to what one of these videos shows, because
I don't really think that you understand.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
The extent of this.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
This isn't like a guy pulling up in a car
like rubbing one out over his pants. This is like
this guy gets completely naked, gets out of his truck
and just starts jerking off in the middle of the
street and then goes back into his truck and bends
over and starts jerking off and like fingering in his
butthole like in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, this is not this is.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like it's like police need to arrest these people and
get them away, right, It's just that's the end of
the story. So and the thing is is that the
guy keeps coming back because like, why not, you don't
get in trouble, so just.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Keep doing a man either, It's like most oh no,
there's a.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Video of two naked dudes like in a tree jerking off.
It's the most outrageous shit because like, once you let
it go, then it just this is how life works.
It just gets increasingly worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So I guess the community is suing the city, being like,
you need to take care of this because it's becoming
such a problem. But they want to make clear they're
not trying to remove the nude element of the park,
because in Washington it's not illegal to be nude in
public unless you're in the presence of a minor. I
actually think it's if you're in the presence of somebody
under eleven years old, which.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That's the problem though, because this park is not specifically
made for to be a nude beach. It's not really
even officially a nude beach. It's just it's become that.
So I'm assuming that people sometimes just go there because
it's a park and they want to go there with
their kids and that's whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Like I don't give a shit what.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
People do, Like they're all over the place, and as
a parent, I just would be like, all right, well,
there's a nude beach in Florida, Like I'm not going
to go to that one with my kids.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's just really not that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Hard to avoid, Like people could do whatever they want
to do, but that the public sex outside of the
park where where people live is I understand why they're
flipping out about this, But.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Did you see this that last year of the city
announced a plan to build a playground at the park
to deter the nudity that's upsetting the neighbors, Like, what
are you thinking? If it's spiraling out of control to
the point people are having sex in public or masturbating
in public, then you're gonna propose putting a playground there, Like,
it's not going to make the people stop there already
(17:40):
doing it in public.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
This is this is really the best part of the story.
So it says, according to the city, it plans to
build public masturbation deterrence structures for outside Like what It's
just so it really is just really nuts. So I
didn't even you know, I don't know how I stumbled
across this story this week and I started looking into it.
(18:02):
I'm like, oh my god, these people have been dealing
with this, and I completely understand. I don't live in
a city, obviously, but just thinking about somebody doing that
outside when I'm walking to my car or something. Kids
just and teenage girl. One of the stories was about
teenage girls with this the guy that was exposing his
genitals and then he started peeing right in front of
(18:22):
him and stuff. It's just kind of like, Okay, you
guys are pushing it beyond what it should be and
it needs to get reeled in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, Like I.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Personally don't think it matters like what kind of setting
you're in. I just like, no matter where you live,
if you're down the shore or if you're in this
lavish city or this nice neighborhood or like not his
nice neighborhood. You know, just people should not be walking
around in public masterbating like this. This should not be allowed,
and it is absolutely ridiculous. The police are not trying
(18:51):
to get more of a handle on it. Especially it's
like you're saying, this hasn't even officially been declared a
nude beat, so like really they could just be like
nobody's being nude here anymore. And I understand they don't.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Want to hand it away from That's the kind of
shit they have to do. They have to do like
extreme measures because they just let things go in the
opposite direction, and then they have to go crazy in
the opposite direction because like people don't know how to
behave well.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, like when I was in France and went on
the nude beach, it was like you can just tell
who the tourists were versus the people that live there,
because all the Americans are like back there like snickering, like,
oh my god, boobs right, and it's like to European people,
this is just everyday life. It's not that big of
a deal, Like you don't have to over sexualize nudity.
So I just can't even believe in America we have
(19:38):
nude beaches because of our attitude generally about being naked.
And then and then you add that these like people,
these like gross people are being attracted to this park,
and it's like it was this really awesome community space
for people, and now every somebody has to ruin everything.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Eventually, Yes, our disturbing story. This this person deserves death
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
No, totally. Two years ago, police got an anonymous call
that there was this diseased child in an apartment in Georgia.
So they show up to this apartment and find this
remain the mummified remains of a seven year old in
a stroller inside of a closet in the apartment.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
How is that even possible?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I always think it's crazy when they find a dead
kid and you're like, there was no record of this
child missing, Like, how is there a seven year old
living in America that not a single adult knows anything
about them missing or anything that It's just really really sad, honestly, Well.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It is sad. I don't know if this person didn't
have family, but this child it later came out with
special needs, so I don't know what their requirements are
with checking up on a.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Child like that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It seems like with the investigation that the mother had
moved out of the apartment months beforehand, she admitted to
leaving the child alive in the house because she was
quote unquote too much to deal with, which is so ridiculous.
We actually have a story coming up in another episode
this week where I really think we should start, you know,
(21:15):
going back on an eye for an eye type of
punishment in certain cases, like this mother should have to
go through the abuse she put her child through. Jail
is just not enough for some people.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
There has to be Yeah, because I think with some
criminals too. It almost seems like, okay, so she has
and listen like, I'm sure having a seven year old
that is autistic and a cerebral palsy like in this
case and is I don't know if she was in
a wheelchair or whatever it was, but I'm sure it's
a lot, especially if she's a single mom. But you
(21:49):
if you really really think that it's a lot, you
can give your kid. You can give your kid to
an adoption agency. You don't, you know, you can't. You
don't have to have the kid if you don't want
the kid, and there's somebody that would take care of
the kid, especially when they think that the other choice
is the kid getting abused and killed.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Somebody will take the kid.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
There's plenty of people in this world that have open
hearts to children and children with disabilities, anything that would
take this baby and love this baby like that's it.
This is an interesting point you brought up, because we
are very judgmental on another episode of you know, this
whole Huxley situation, and these people like giving their kid
back and stuff, and I think this is one of
(22:31):
those situations where you could be more accepting of you know,
you want to hope that when you have a child,
you're gonna devote everything in your power to taking care
of them.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But in this case, instead of resorting to murdering child,
you should certainly be trying to give them a better
opportunity at life and having another family take them on.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
But sometimes in cases that we talk about, these people
have such they're like sociopaths. You could sit there and
just be like, so you're living in an apartment and
the kids a lot to handle, and you stick a
live human being that your child strapped in a stroller
and put her in the closet and just walk away
(23:12):
and move out, and that's the end.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Of the story. Like she shouldn't deserve to live.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
On this planet anymore. Like she's never going to be
rehabilitated in my opinion, Like it's, well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
This is what I'm saying. She should be strapped in
something and shoved in the closet and left to starve
to death.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, they never do anything like that, and listen, like
maybe she's got underlying mental illness or maybe she's just
plain evil whatever, but it's it's such a gross story.
And starving to death is painful and there's just a
lot more to the story too, because I think the
prosecutor was like, uh, you know, I just want her
(23:51):
family to know that now she maybe they can rest
knowing that she's in jail for not enough. But like,
but so when they statement like that, though, I'm like,
so the prosecutors trying to reassure a family that didn't
know that their seven year old family member was missing
for months, Like and I don't know, Like I just
(24:14):
there's something about the story, like I just don't I
don't buy it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
How how's a kid? How's a seven year old kid?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Just like not heard from or known, there's no friends,
there's no it's it's the whole entire thing to me,
is is nuts. And then if she moved out of
the apartment, that did no one move into the apartment?
Who found the kid? I didn't hear anything else about
the story. It's just it's just crazy. And then again,
think about cops getting a phone call. You get a
(24:41):
phone call, either the cops send the medical examiner's office
that there's a dead kid strapped in a stroller in
a closet, Like, how does that not haunt you for the.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Rest of your career?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And then the kids mammified, like just left there, just
like just like trash.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's just it's so sick. Well, if the mother.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Pleaded guilty to murder, it was sentenced to life without parole.
I just think when it comes to the murder of children,
especially in this nature, this child suffered, She's starved to death.
I'm not even trying to be like Nancy about it,
like I'm just I can't imagine the suffering this little
kid went through. And then this mom's just like gonna
be in jail the rest of her life. It's just
(25:20):
it's just not enough. In certain cases like this, it
is just not enough.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, And unfortunately it was the perfect and this is
this is maybe part of the problem as to why
because normally, if a person, even a little seven year
old person, died in an apartment building, you would smell it, right,
it would the smell decomposition. But sometimes when you're when
a person's decomposing and the conditions are just right, the
(25:48):
person might the decomposition process might stop and it could
start the mummification process. And in this particular situation, this
child was in that perfect of a situation where she
was starved, so she was dehydrated and had less fluid
in her body than she should have to begin with.
And who knows if she was even treated well beforehand.
(26:12):
That they're not going to be able to tell much.
I mean, they'll be able to see if she had
broken bones that were healed and things like that, but
I mean the appearance of her soft tissue and everything
is not as ideal to do an examination for abuse
in that situation. But so, she was dehydrated, and bacteria
need water in order to They need moisture and water
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in order to replicate and to break down the body.
And then further things can break down the body to
cause decomposition, like a flies in the apartment and then
the fly lands on top of a person and it
lays eggs, and then those eggs turn into maggots, and
then that aids in the decomposition process as well. But
the bacteria is breaking down the body is what causes
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that terrible smell that we associate with a dead body decomposing.
But when you're in a dark closet that's dry, and
your body's dehydrated, it's the perfect environment for mummification. So
and it often it doesn't smell that bad, like you
might get up on it and it would be a
little bit foul, But sometimes it doesn't smell at all,
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so that would be likely why no one around was
clued into it.
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All Right, this case pisses me off so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, this baby was born on March thirty first, with
complex congenital heart disease how to procedure, and was scheduled
to go home on April sixteenth. So before he was discharged,
the family decided that we're going to have a circumcision.
It ended up being botched, and now the baby's in
even worse condition.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I hate hearing this story.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So this happened at New York Presbyterian Morgan Stanley's Children's Hospital,
like a pretty big deal hospital that you would never
expect such sloppiness to happen. And I guess the kid
was diagnosed with the concentat all hearts deformity when he
was in utero, and they told the parents, listen, when
you have this kid, they're they're gonna need a little
(29:08):
bit of surgery and like a smaller surgery and he
should go on to live a normal life.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And so they didn't think anything much of it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
And apparently the kid had heart surgery, okay, open heart
surgery as a as a newborn infant and survived it
and was fine. So he was scheduled to get a circumcision,
and he was actually supposed to be going home within
a day or two, because that's he was at the
end of his hospital stay, and they decided to do
it at eleven o'clock at night, which I don't really
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know anything about what happens in the hospital when that's scared.
It might but I don't know because there's doctors there.
I don't even know what doctor does it. Honestly, I
don't know if the obstetrician does it. I don't I
don't know who does it. I have no idea about
it because I'm telling you right now, like I have
three girls, but if I had a way, they were
never getting circumcised because and this is actually proof to
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my point, because the dad had written this Facebook post
about oh, my son was going in to get this
minor simple thing done and this and that, and it's
just like I think that a lot of people just
think that it's like this nothing thing, and there's from
all the cases that I've seen, the complications and all
messing with that crucial area and a man, no thanks.
(30:26):
I just I'm not into it at all. I just
don't think it's necessary. But people could do whatever they
want to do. That's just my personal opinion. So I
don't know anything about it, but apparently they were doing
it at eleven o'clock at night, and he started having
severe bleeding afterwards, to the point where the nurse said
that she went in and saw that the the bedding
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was soiled with blood, and to me, I feel like,
as a nurse, that should be very alarming that that's
a significant amount of blood for that procedure. And apparently
I don't know if it was a fellow that was there.
So a fellow is a person that had went to
medical school, finished residency and is maybe doing a specialty
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in that field, but is not yet an attending physician,
which is when you know you're the top level of
the doctor in that situation. So a fellow is still
someone that technically a doctor but still in training. So
throughout the night there were multiple checks done, and apparently
it just seemed like the bleeding didn't really stop, but
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they went on for hours and hours and hours, and
it wasn't until the morning that they decided to take
blood work from this kid and they found that his
hemoglobin was so low that he lost one third of
his blood and needed to get multiple transfusions. So what
happens in that case is when your body doesn't have
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enough blood, it starts pulling the blood from other or
from your organs to keep you alive, and unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That caused his bowl to die.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
His bow his colon died, so they had to cut
him open and do emergency surgery to remove his dead
boll so he wouldn't die. Twenty blood transfusions this kid's had.
The worst part is is before any of this went down,
So because they took so long to figure any of
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this out, the mom. So the mom's not there because
this kid was born early and has been in the
hospital for this this heart's effect and the surgery.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So the mom's not admitted. She had the baby a
while ago.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So the kid is scheduled to get this procedure done
at night. She comes in in the morning thinking she's
going to start discussing releasing the kid back home, and
she finds him pale and like unconscious, like he looks
like he's dying and fine, I just can't imagine what's
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happening here, but they were sending so they finally sent
the blood. They figured this out, but this was all
like in the time when the mom was just arriving
in the morning, so she saw she saw the baby
looking like this. They started doing all this work up,
they found out that the kid was severely anemic, losing blood,
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and I just I really just don't know what happened.
It looks like they were having a hard time getting
a line.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
On the kid.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
They didn't let the attending physician, so that's really the
one that's in charge no something until like eight thirty
in the morning during a shift change. So I don't
know if it was just like nurses and residents and
fellows that were just trying to handle this themselves.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But let me let me just tell ask you this.
So obviously, if this was a normal situation and he
hadn't been he hadn't had the procedure and had to
stay longer to the mom and she was in the
room with him still, obviously I would assume somebody would
have found it a little sooner because the family would
have been holding the baby and somebody would have been
checking on.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
The baby moork.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So to me, this seems like after the procedure was done,
he was clearly not being checked up.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Though the alarming part is that he was checked up
on multiple times. Yeah, he was checked at two point
thirty in the morning, three o'clock in the morning, five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
There's all documentation like someone.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Kept going in and saying like it's blating a lot,
let's change it, let's do this, let's do that. But
they never did anything else to see what was happening.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And when I'm I'm just trying to be like.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
What happened, okay, because obviously there could be it could
be botched. I don't even necessarily know if the circumcision
was done incorrectly.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
The thing is is that I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
The kids underlying congenital heart issue is, but there's a
possibility that he could have been on some kind of
medications and blood thinners because of it, and that would
cause even a minor injury to bleed a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well, if that was my next question was if they
really wanted the circumcision done, were they not advised properly
to wait a certain amount of time because he just
had this pretty serious Well that's that's not.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
That that wouldn't they wouldn't say, okay, well, you know
the risk a kid might bleed to death, Like, they
wouldn't do that, Like, if they thought it was that risky,
they would just wait and not do it. Yet, So
I don't I don't know, like I don't work there
and stuff, but and obviously there's more to the story,
but the bottom line is is like the dad's not lying.
(35:29):
All of this happened, and you have to sit there
and say, like, why what happened? Because something isn't right.
And and this is why I fucking hate circumcisions because
I hear listen, like I think ninety percent of people
or ninety five percent of people that get them done
have no issues. But when there's complications, you just sit
(35:49):
there and you're like, oh my god, Like my kid
didn't even have to have this. And now I have
a case in the gross room of a kid that
got his penis amputated by accident. He has no penis, yes,
because of this, Like his penis got cut in half
because of a circumcision. And then you're just like, oh
my god, that just didn't even need to happen. So
I don't know, like it just it freaks me out
(36:11):
a little bit, or the infections or this and that, And.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I understand your hesitance with it and why you're against it,
But I think if we really look statistically at the
problems versus how many of these are performed today. I mean, really,
there can't be that many issues compared to how many
of these are performed.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Everything. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I personally wouldn't take the risk, but that's that's just me.
I'm just saying, like, we hear about these really horrible
situations that happen, and there's obviously a lot more that
are unreported or not in the news. But you have
to think about how there's definitely a lot of the
dumb that are done as well that people don't report
because it just causes people. I mean, you hear men
(36:51):
complaining about sometimes like oh yeah, that's always been like
that and stuff like that, and I don't know, I
feel like if you interviewed most dudes, they wouldn't want
like huge peace of their penis missing. Now I'm pretty
sure about that. But whatever, people could do whatever they
want to do. I think that it and it's just
like everything else in the world, there's always risks with everything.
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But to me, I'm just like just going back in
time with this kid, You're just like, oh my god,
this kid had to have so now he had a
bow resection, so he's going to have adhesions.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
If this kid even.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Survives all this because this is a lot for a
little body to go through. He's a couple I don't
even know. I think he's a couple weeks old, right,
He has now had open heart surgery, open abdomen surgery,
all those adhesions. He's going to maybe deal with issues
from lifelong twenty blood transfusions. Not to mention, they said
(37:45):
that there might be signs that he has encephalopathy, which
is he's having some kind of or encephalitis. He's having
some kind of inflammation with his brain, which may be
due to the lack of oxygen he was getting because
he had a lack of blood flow, which I mean,
these are problems that could affect the rest of this
kid's life. On top of that, his mom obviously is
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so stressed out that she stopped producing milk and now
she can't even breastfeed her kid, and the kid has
to have a.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Tube feeding anyway. The whole thing is so upsetting.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
And it just makes it makes me think of a
couple situations that I've heard of one I've had personally
where for whatever reason, the attending doctors go home at
night and there's these gaps where like the residents and
fellows are kind of watching over things and shit, bad
shit goes down. I feel like we had a story
on that recently on Mother Knows Death, but I personally
(38:39):
know of a story of that as well, so I
guess that was the dad is just bringing this up,
like this is supposed to be one of the best
hospitals in the entire country, Like why were people watching
this baby not who just had surgery?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Weren't doing the proper thing. I just hope that hospital.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I mean, obviously the hospital has to be doing an investigation,
but they need to figure out exactly the whole thing is.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Who cares though the parent? Okay, the parents are going
to get five million dollars, who cares?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It's not about the money. I'm saying, like they need
to investigate this so it doesn't happen to another patient.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, but like it keeps stuff keeps happening, because.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
If this baby survives this, that's a miracle. But it
is like total unnecessary stress this family has to go
through when they already knew going into the berth that
they were going to be having issues with the kid.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And I mean, I know, I one of one of
my little nephews through a friend it had open heart
surgery and was born with a congenital heart defect, like
this is has that really doesn't. The only thing that
has to do with it is maybe, like I said,
doublood banners or whatever, like that kid was gonna be fine.
That has nothing to do with what happened there. And
(39:52):
I just don't know. I really hope they update on
it on this story because I want to read what
happens because I just can't believe it, or if any
of you know any more about the story, please let
us know.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
All right, let's move on to this new study that's
come out to say that eating white meat can shorten
your life.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I just like hate life so much.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's always inspected by big red meat. Though, like there's
a lot of I don't know, to be there's like
some inconsistencies with this study.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
No, it was published in a journal called nutrition. I
don't know, well, I actually don't know who funded the study.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
But it was in a meta it was in a medical.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I honestly like, let's let me tell about the study
and then and then we'll go from there. So, this
was a large study that took place in southern Italy
over the course of many years with four and sixty
nine people, So that's a lot. And they were studying years. Yeah,
for eighteen years. They were studying what they were eating
(40:56):
every single day, and they found that if you ate
more than ten ounces of white meat like chicken per week,
which is not really a whole lot, No, it was
linked to in twenty seven percent increase in all cause
deaths and more than double the rate of gastro intestinal cancer. Okay,
(41:19):
that's kind of huge, and it's especially huge because when
I was growing up now, I think when I was
growing up, it was like, oh, red meat's good for you,
And then there was this whole movement in like the
nineties that was like, red meat's terrible for you. You have
to eat chicken all the time for every single meal.
And I know people that are still doing that to
this day. And now they're saying that it contradicts that
(41:43):
study that red meat was causing GI cancer.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yes, but I want to say they said they were
studying the lifestyle habits of the participants. They were also
self reporting what they were eating, so they could have
been lying, and they were reporting the way in which
they were eating it. So like was this people who
ate Like so they're saying at the end of the study,
like the best way to eat it is bake or broiled.
(42:07):
So were these people that were eating it bakeer broiled
or were these people that were eating it deep fried
every day?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Like I think I just personally listen, like I don't
even think that it matters. I don't even think any
of this matters anyway, because all of these four eight
hundred and sixty nine people, like, yes, they were eating
chicken whatever, but like they could have been doing other
similar things that had nothing to do with what they
were eating or exposures.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
They're all Italian, assuming that they all live in South Italy.
They don't.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I mean, maybe they have some immigrants there, but it's
mostly all Italian people that have maybe similar geans and
protective jeans and mutations that they could have and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
So that alarms me too. And like we've talked about
this before.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I definitely have told you this that when you I
learned about this in school freaking twenty five years ago,
that that cooking meat on the barbecue is terrible for you.
It increases your risk for cancer, it gets summa cancer.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I want to say that that wasn't information that I
really retained because I've always had the understanding that grilled
chicken was the healthiest chicken.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
No, no, Like, listen, I'm not saying to never have
barbecue because it's delicious, but when you're cooking, when you
cook anything, it's the same exact thing with weed and
cigarettes and everything else. Like when you are cooking something
and making it a high temperature, it changes the chemical
composition of all of it, so it's it's no longer
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has the same exact health things as it did when
it was a raw or slightly cooked piece of chicken.
It the char has been known to cause cancer, and
that's that's been a thing forever. So you're definitely not
supposed to eat meat like that, like multiple times a week,
with blackened from burned on the grill, like it's it's
(44:00):
terrible for you. And obviously, like because I think another
study came out this week too that highly processed food
in general is an increased risk for cancer, which is obviously.
You know what's funny though, today, So whenever Gabe is
at work or something and I drive the kids to
school myself, I always call my dad on the way home,
(44:22):
and he always just talks about like when he was
a kid and this and that. Now my dad's eighty, right,
he was telling me today about how they used to
go swimming in the Delaware River and there were all
rats on the end of the river and he said
it was so dirty and there was an oil slick
and when they used to they used to go in
their shorts and he said they would go in the
water and when they came out of the water, their
(44:43):
skin was like covered in black.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
And I'm just like and like.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Now to think about that, like that would never ever happen, right,
or like rarely happen, I should say, because I guess
kids could get into something. But you're just like this
might be why you people get can when you're older,
because like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Like that he's defying all odds of people that get
this stuff though, because he smoked when he was like
a little kid, basically, and then he has stories like this.
He was also a mechanic, being exposed to horrible fumes
and grease his entire life. And then he eats a
bag of marshmallows like every day. And he's eighty years old,
so it's like he's defied all science.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
He's genetic scien genetically, he's Southern Italian, and you know
what's you know what's interesting too because pop Up was
like so excited when this study came out because he
hates chicken, and now he's like, maybe your mom will
stop cooking it because I hate.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
It and I kind of do too, honestly, So I'm
kind of.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Glad that I just brought this stuff recently to Louie
because I was like, he went on this, I'll never
forget that the only day he's ever yelled at me
when he told me I was the most negative person
with to like, no, have you met your other two
daughters and your wife first of all? But it was
the day that goes down in history is the day
(46:03):
he yelled at me. But he also did this tight
ten about how he hated chicken and then proceeded to
eat all of our gluten free chicken fingers even though
it was the only thing we could eat at dinner
that day.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh yeah, but he like chicken. I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I don't like cooking it and touching it. It's just
gross to me. It has a weird smell that grosses me.
Out and I don't. I don't really like the taste.
I just think it's like dry and whatever. And I
but I cook it because I'm like, oh, this is
a good thing to cook for my family. And now
I'm kind of like, oh, I'll cite this study even
though I think that there's a lot of holes in it.
This is the problem because like they put out a
(46:40):
study like this, and now this might affect businesses because
of this, Like it's because people will be scared, and
they don't they they really are just like we don't
know what the connection is, so so really then it's
like it doesn't exist as of right now. I mean,
obviously I think they give like I guess that's why
(47:02):
they're saying to use processed chicken, because they'd probably give
them like.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
A shit ton of hormones and stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I had some chicken the other day that I got
at the grocery store, and I couldn't believe how big
the piece of chicken was, and I was just like, dude,
this is not normal, Like I don't know what the
hell they gave this chicken.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
But yeah, I cut it in half.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Three times, like like sliced it long ways, and it
was it made like three normal sized chicken breast. It
was just crazy and I'm just it like grosses me
out because I'm like, ew, what are they giving these
things to be this plump and stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I forced myself to eat chicken because I was under
the assumption it was healthier. I still really like want
to do a deeper dive in this study because it's
giving conspiracy that Big beefs behind it, because they're having
this moment right now, you know, yellow stones highlighting these
these cattle farms or these cattle ranches and how it's
like this old American job that's being pushed out and
(47:57):
this could be a good moment for them to come back.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Well, but they're not saying that you should eat meat instead,
Like if the study was like, you know what, you
should switch to cow because they have their cows, actually
have their.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Actually the dietician I was interviewed for this said they
eat fish. So maybe big fish is sponsoring this, yeah,
study and.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
You'll get mercury poisoning. It's just like whatever, this is,
this is the thing of the week. Remember it was
just like don't drink tap water. Okay, we don't drink
tap water an now.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It's like you're getting cancer from the bottled water. Like
it's just like, make up your freaking mind. People.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
I also just saw a graphic on Instagram that could
have been totally fake, but it was something like sixty
eight percent of our bottled water is just tap water.
And I'm like, no, shit out, Like.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
No it is. I've always been saying that. I'm just
like this is like I'm telling you. When pop Up
for when I first told him that I saw bottled
water in the store when I was a kid, he
was just like, what.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Kind of a stupid ass? We pay money for water
in a bottle? Think about this.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
It's like a multi gajillion dollar industry, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Think about this full like picture. Historically, so people literally
used to have to drink alcohol because it was cleaner
than drinking the tap water. And now the clean water
quote unquote we have is poisoning us in a different way.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
But if they're yeah, like if they're putting the tap
water we shouldn't be drinking into a bottle, then it's
actually making it worse because of the plastics. Yes, think
about that for a second.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Really, historically, you've never won with the food, Like it's
kind of amazing. We've lived this long because it's the
humans considering all this, So I don't know why everybody
acts all surprised by this. It's actually been happening historically
for thousands of years.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
So I don't wait.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Do you think next we're gonna find out that ozempic's
like really bad for you or something?
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Though, No, that would never happen.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Okay, let's talk about mortuary owners doing experiments on dead bodies.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, this mortuary we owner in Austin has been arrested
after investigators found she may have forged many death certificates
and cut limbs off of corpses to conduct embombing experiments.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
All right, So I don't really exactly know what was
happening here, but it's this I'm gonna try to explain
it to you how I think it was happening. She
she uh does cremation and she does embombing, And I
guess that she was getting bodies and before she was
cremating them, she would cut off their body parts to
(50:32):
do these experiments before. It seems like once she did
the experiments, she was putting it and cremating it, although
it wasn't clear if it was saying that she was
keeping the body parts with the person because really, like
I have Gabe's mom here in ashes, Jen's got her dad, Like,
(50:52):
how would you really know if the ashes from the
arm weren't in there, you know what I mean, Like
a regular person wouldn't know? Is this how big the
bags to be? I don't know, you know, So I
don't know exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
What was happening, but she was doing.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Experiments to see how what would happen if you embalmed
an arm versus not, and but doing this with like
cutting off heads and stuff. And I don't really know
why she was doing it. But when they seized all
of her information, they found that she was having communication
with a place called med to Market. Okay, yeah, so
(51:27):
it's a if this article says. Investigator said she was
working with a medical training company named med to Market.
On the quote experiments. She guessed around fifteen bodies were
quote mutilated and subject to experimentation with the permission of
med to market. It was updating the company on the outcomes.
So then when they were asked about it, they said
that they knew she was embalming the arms, and when
(51:49):
they asked if it was normal, they said, well, med
schools do it all the time. Okay, so this is
this is this is true to an extent. Like, but listen,
if my dad dies and I send him to get cremated,
that doesn't mean that you, as the owner of the crematory,
have the right to cut off his head and do
(52:10):
experiments and then and then do that. It's a lot
different if I donate my dad to medical school and
say here or to science, whatever you want to say,
because then they could do things like that and that
I mean that stuff needs to be done in some
circumstances for whatever reasons they're doing it for, right, But
(52:32):
like let's just say, for example, even something stupid like
sometimes let's say a person gets their arm cut off
and then they because a lot of times if people
get their limbs cut off, they send them to the
funeral home, and the funeral home stores them for a
while until they die. Because people want to be buried
with their whole body. Right, Well, if they want to
have let's say they just want to have an open
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casket or something, they might want to embalm the arm too,
and like they want to see if they could do
that and it would work, and it wouldn't be in
the casket with the person. I mean, that's like such
a rare thing that would ever happen. But there's probably
other reasons they do it. I just it's not really
my field, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Let's say she had these profound results from these experiments, Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Could she even Well apparently she was telling this med
to market company what her results were.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
How were they sharing the findings if it was being
done illegally?
Speaker 2 (53:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I don't know, Like I just can't believe that there's
a company that's doing that kind of stuff that doesn't
know that there's like a clear distinction between people who
donate and can set their body to science versus ones
that are just getting buried under a routine funeral.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, well, like funeral service commission. First of all, they're
the ones that foreign police. She was doing this, which
led to her arrest because a former employee had come
forward and said she had been doing the experiments and
she was using that person's name on these death certificates.
But the TFSC is saying that it's unlawful for a
commercial ebombing establishment to use a dead human body for
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research or educational purposes. So clearly this is against the
law what she's doing, which obviously led to her wrist.
But like, even if you really are trying to do
something in the name of science, how are you sharing
your findings with people consider you're illegally conducting the experiments?
Speaker 3 (54:15):
I don't know, I think, I mean, she should be
in trouble with the company she if she was working
for them or whatever.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That's that's just weird too.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I don't I couldn't really follow the story, and that's
what I think was happening, But they I couldn't really
figure out what.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
They were hoping to get with that information.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Well, yeah, it's the way it's reading is that they
acknowledge she was involving though, but they weren't advocating for
the experiments.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
So to speak.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
So whatever, let's move on to questions of the day.
Every Friday at that at Mother Knows Death Instagram account,
you guys can head over to our story and ask
us whatever you want. First, have you traveled to Canada?
Would you do a meet and greet for fans? Have
you ever been there?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
No? I never been there, but I would. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
I mean, first we need to acknowledge the attack that
happened over the weekend in Vancouver during the Lapo Lapoo
Day festival.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Absolutely horrible.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I can't imagine just trying to have like a fun
day going to a parade and then just some psycho.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Just like drives your car through the crowd.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
I honestly, like my city does a parade for Christmas
and stuff. I just like I don't want to go.
It sucks, But it just like scares the shit out
of me. That's something like this is gonna happen because
some psycho is gonna If you're not worried about a god,
now you're worried about someone who running people over with
a car, I mean killing that many people?
Speaker 2 (55:40):
What was eleven people got killed? Yeah, it's just really scary.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Although it's trying to a fun day out with your family.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I know. And the guy, Like.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
The scary part of that whole thing is that apparently
the guy his brother was murdered like.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
A year ago. Did you read all that?
Speaker 3 (55:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
I just saw that he was only charged with second murder,
which I thought was kind of weird, but like we
haven't really done a deep dive into this, so.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
So so, Yeah, his brother was murdered a year or
two ago, and then his mom had a complete meltdown
over it, obviously because she lost a child and then
she was suicidal, and apparently ever since that happened, like
his mental health was worstening because the mom actually attempted
suicide and and he found her. So imagine losing your
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brother and then that happening. But he was having deteriorating
mental health, and one of his family members had called
the psychiatric word at a hospital and had said like, hey,
this guy is acting erratically and his mental health is
worsening and I'm worried about it. And then hours later
he ended up doing this.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Oh my god, so horrible. It is horrible because it's it.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
I don't I don't know what the solution is, but
obviously people doing this stuff are just not in their
right mind.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
But it's freaking scary.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Man.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
I went to Ontreal in December and I absolutely loved it.
Having spoken French throughout my high school years, it was
it was fun to, you know, be in a country
where they primarily speak French. It was like kind of
trippy though, because everybody is seemingly bilingual there, so they'll
start off speaking French to you and then if you
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say like hello back then they'll transition to English immediately,
which was just kind of weird. But I did have
the best gluten free croissants of my life. I actually
recently saw you can order them online. So we might
be getting a nice street in the mail scene.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
But how far away that from where we live.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
It's about I think it was about eight hours away.
So we had gone to Lake Placid for my birthday
and then I saw on the map it was only
about two hours away, and since for me and my
husband are such big hockey people, we were like, why
don't we go there? Since it was only two hours
from Lake Placid. Because the Habs were playing the Capitals
that weekend, which now they're playing each other in the playoffs,
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it's really heated, but it was a super fun game.
And hockey is like football over there, So when we
went to a hockey game on Saturday night, it was
like the craziest thing I've ever seen compared to the
hockey games over here. But Montreal's a super beautiful city.
It snowed, it was like magical the whole time. We
had McDonald's over there, which is like boring, but I
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wanted to taste it in another country.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Was it different?
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah, it didn't taste as good because they have better
health regulations over there.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
So, oh my god, I really.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Really really want to go to Toronto. We keep trying
to plan a trip where we could time it up
where baseball and hockey are like overlapping, so we can
hit the Blue Jays and the Maple Leafs game like.
That would be an awesome trip, and I've heard it's
a really beautiful city.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
It looks super cool.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
From what I see, so and my husband's going to
be mad. But because the Flyers didn't make the playoffs,
I'm going to vote for the Maple Leafs, which he's
not going to be happy with, but they might make
it far. I don't know, but I loved Canada. I
would love to do a meet and great situation there,
maybe a live show or something.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, that'd be cool too.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
I'm about to give birth tips for unmedicated birth says
our fit.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Like I gave three unmedicated births, but they weren't planned
to be. When I walked in, I wanted to get
meds and it just didn't work out that way. I
don't know what to tell you, it hurts, and like,
the best advice I have to give is, it's a
little bit different. Like if you walk into the hospital
and you're having some kind of insane pain and you
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don't know what it is and you don't know when
it's going away, that could be very scary. But when
you're having a baby, it's like you know that you're
having a baby, you know what's causing the pain. You're
going to think that it hurts worse than you're gonna
say like something's not right.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
This hurts too bad. It's that bad.
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
And then but like literally as soon as the baby
comes out, the pain goes away.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
It's just like you have this like magic ephor you you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Know, yes, you really do. It feels like you have
an IV of drugs in you. After you have the baby,
it's the most insane thing ever. It feels like you
have xanax. It's like so insane and it just ends.
So my advice to you is to get in touch
with your body and figure out because I feel like
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when you don't have the drugs, it helps the labor
go buy faster obviously, because you could really feel all
of your body parts and think about being this is
kind of gross, but it's true. When you're constipated and
you have to go to the bathroom, like you know,
when where in your body to push to like get
that out. Well, when you have the baby that's kind
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of stuck in a similar situation, you just have to
focus to that area because a lot of people don't
push right. And all of the times that I had
the babies, they pushed out really fast because I just
felt like I knew how to do it and get
it out. And then the quicker you get it out,
the quicker the pain goes away. And then, like I said,
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it just it just ends there, like you might have
to get I don't even think they do apisiotomies anymore,
but you might tear a little from the delivery or whatever,
Like none of that matters. That's that's not really any
kind of pain. It like it the pain is one
hundred percent gone as soon as the kid comes out.
So I think that's reassuring because sometimes you go into
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the hospital, especially like men for example, if they have
a kidney stone and they don't know where what the
pain's coming from. It's like you go in you don't
know where it's coming from. You don't know how they're
going to make it go away. You don't know how
fast you're going to getdrugs to make that feeling go away.
It's just very scary and unknown, which with a baby,
it's just kind of like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Normal stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I'm interested if the listener is doing this at the
hospital or like a birthing center or at home, you
should write us back with what happened with your birth
story and obviously congratulations on your baby.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
There's lots of people that do the breathing and this
and the that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
And it's just kind of like, I don't I don't know,
Like I, like I said, I didn't really walk in.
I feel like one thing they should do is prepare
all women to walk in that you might not get drugs,
and if you do, like bonus for you. And I never,
like I went in every single time with that reassurance
and got screwed every single time.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I follow this girl on Instagram who had two babies
in the hospital and then her third baby she delivered
at home, and she says the third berth was the
best one, like the natural one without the drugs.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, compared to it, it really is.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I mean, like I had Lucia got up. I went
to the bathroom like while they were still like cleaning her.
Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Off and stuff. It was like it was awesome and
it was and I felt good.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I got up and you know, after everything happened, I
got up and it took a shower and like, you know,
people come visit me at the hospital. They're like, you
don't look like you just had a baby, And I'm like,
I feel one hundred percent fine. Like I could go
to work right now if I had to, Like I
feel my body feels fine. So that's the best part
of it. It just it just hurts. I mean, I
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don't some people are like, oh, it wasn't that bad,
and other people think it's really bad.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
So it's just like if you never had a kid.
It's just hard to say. Speaking of that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I just saw Kylie Kelsey recorded a podcast episode two
days after giving birth of like, this is really setting
up bad expectations for us aspiring mother.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I don't think it is at all.
Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Like I put on makeup then I took a shower
and put on makeup, Like it's if like stop being
a little bit and get up and move on with life.
If you have to sit there and take care of
a human being. You're fine to sit there and record
a podcast for a half hour like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
All right, Last question, Maria, you've mentioned your internship in
New York. What field was that in?
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I when I was going to college for photography, I
thought it was going to be like the next Anti
leave of It. So I was trying to work in fashion,
and I really wanted to get an internship at Vogue
since I was like twelve years old. That was my dream.
And then I believe a year or two before I
was looking into internships, Conde Nast cut their internship program
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due to a bunch of legal disputes with other interns.
So I applied for a bunch of other internships and
I ended up getting one at L magazine, which was Via,
which was at the Hurst Tower, Hurst Publication, So I
did that. I think it was this summer in between
my junior and senior year of college. So I woke
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up at four thirty in the morning, I took the
six am megabus to Manhattan and I worked till six
thirty seven at night, and then I took the megabus home,
got home around ten o'clock at night, and I did
that for three and a half months.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Street for three days a week and then I.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Worked the other four days of the week to pay
to go to New York the other three days of
the week. So that was crazy. It was real life
The Devil Wears Prada. I mean that that movie is
not exaggerated at all. That's not everybody at the office
acted like that, but certainly some people did.
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
I never saw that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
What I didn't that is ridiculous. Is that like something
the kids could watch or yeah, definitely, Oh okay, yeah,
because I think it's PG. Thirteen because they reference like
in Eating Disorder and there's like a scene where she
has sex with somebody. But I don't think they show
the sex. It just eludes, like they wake up naked,
like it's no, there's no nudy. They could definitely watch it.
(01:05:44):
I would say they should watch it. I think they'll
really like it. But yeah, some people like this chick
Stephanie worked with was like the coolest chick ever. I
loved working under her. But then there was other people
in the office that were terrible. You know, it just
it's part of the industry and they don't pay very well.
It was an awesome internship because I worked in the
fashion closet, so I got to do sample trafficking and like,
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you know, see these ten thousand dollars Gucci dresses before
they came out that we'd pull for a photo shoot,
and I got to go to the showrooms of a
lot of designers and that was really awesome. But it
was difficult and it was hard to pay the bills. Ever, no,
it never would pay the bills for me. Like I think,
a lot of people that worked there came from wealthier families,
so it didn't necessarily mattered if they had a job
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that paid twenty five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
But that was the situation I could be in.
Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
So I enjoyed my time there. I did really love
working in New York, and I considered, if I had
gotten a good job offer, moving there, but I didn't,
and that's fine because everything worked out pretty good. So
I like how everything turned out, and I had a
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Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
On today's episode, where we are going to be talking
about Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Jeffree is a parent's suicide,
public masturbation that is definitely an outrageous story, why white
meat seems to be bad for you now, and a
mortuary owner who is doing some really bizarre experiments on
dead people. So much to talk about on today's episode,
(00:46):
but let's get started with this bizarre case of Virginia Geffree.
All right, first, I want to say sorry for my voice,
but I am a victim of the pollen outside. It
has been a brutal past couple of days, barely been
able to breathe, but you're just.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Gonna have to get through it. So a couple of
weeks ago, we had reported that Virginia Duffree, who's one
of Jeffrey Epstein's most notable accusers, had posted that she
was in this really bizarre accident with a bus and
that doctors had given her only.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Four days to live.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But as the days had passed, this information was coming
out that it seemed like her story wasn't adding up
and it wasn't true, and people were reporting that there
was a bus accident, but it wasn't that bad and
nobody had been reportedly hurt from it. And then because
of that, everybody started, you know, questioning if she was
making it up, and if she was making this up?
(01:37):
Did she make everything else up with Jeffrey Epstein. But
now a couple of weeks has passed since that incident
and she has been found dead in an apparent suicide.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So when she went to the hospital after this accident
that she was in, I guess they were saying that
the police never went to the accident because they weren't available,
and they said if anybody had been injured, to go
to the hospital. So she showed up at the hospital,
but like way after the accident happened, and she said
when she obviously had bruises all over her body when
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she got there, and you could see it in the
photo that she posted on social media. But the source
that was giving information from the hospital said that she
didn't tell them where the bruises came from, which is
really bizarre. So that came out and then what about
the husband.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, so after the criticism started coming out about the accident.
Then she came forward and said that she was a
victim of abuse at the hands of her husband. And
before her death, her family had come out and said
that there was an alleged incident in January where I
guess her and her husband have been separated since twenty
twenty three, and she had gone on a trip to
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celebrate one of her kid's birthdays and allegedly the husband
had beat her up so badly that she almost lost
her life.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And at that time, so then.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
The husband somehow was able to get this emergency restraining
order against her, saying she had been violent. A couple
of weeks went by, and in February she texted him
which violated that order. She was supposed to appear in
court in I think on April ninth, definitely the beginning
of April, about that violation of the restraining order. Then
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this bus accident happened. Also, a week before the bus
accident happened, she had posted on her Instagram a photo
of her children with the caption along the lines of
like my sweet children, you've been poisoned with incorrect information.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So to sum this up, he beat the crap out
of her, somehow turned it around on her, and then
she got her kids taken away from her temporarily allegedly. Yes,
that's what it sounds like happened. Okay, so that's a
lot to deal with obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I remember when we talked about this a couple of
weeks ago. We were Maria and I were saying that
there's Stefane. It seems a little bit of a weird story.
And then you have to start thinking, like, is she
having some kind of a mental health issue, especially because
police were like Nat, that accident wasn't bad, Like, she's
not dying from it whatever she's talking about. So the
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first thing that I thought of was, well, if she
knows that she's dying in a couple of days, that
could only mean one thing, right, which is suicide. So
of course, when I heard this a couple of weeks later,
I wasn't surprised because I just kind of felt that
something's been off for the past couple weeks with the story,
and of course anything associated with this WLD Jeffrey Epstein
(04:36):
case I'm always skeptical of anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But so apparently.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Police got a call to her house and that there
was somebody that was unresponsive, a woman unresponsive, and when
they showed up, they said that the EMS or the
emergency medical services had provided some kind of first aid
to this person, but they were not able to resuscitate
them and they were pronounced dead at the scene. Okay,
(05:05):
so that to me means that she likely could have
been already dead. We don't know, but they said they
came out right away and said that it's suspicious for
it's not suspicious for anything like foul play or anything
like that. And they're saying that they really believe that
it's suicide. So when they come out and say that
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before the autopsy and everything's even done, that to me
means that they walked in on something that looked like
a suicide, such as she was hanging, or she a
self inflicted gunshot wound or something like that. But they
still have to investigate to death because, as we know,
people always not always, but people kill people and try
(05:47):
to make it look like they killed themselves. So they're
going to do a thorough investigation, especially with her because
she's such a high profile person and there's people that
likely would want to kill her.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, yeah, and I think it's worth bringing up this
social media post she made a couple months after Jeffrey
Epstein's suicide where she had said that a lot of
people wanted her quiet, and at that time, you know,
she was by no means suicidal. But we actually cover
this in the Grocery Miessterday, and I thought you made
a really good point that, yes, she did make this
public statement that at that time she was not suicidal,
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but a lot has gone down in her life in
the last six years since she made that post.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, I mean, really, in anyone's life, if you talk
to any of us in twenty nineteen, I'm sure a
lot of people's lives have drastically changed because of everything
that's been going on. But yes, since then, so Jeffrey
Epstein had already you know, killed himself in air quotes
in the jail prior to her making that statement, But
(06:51):
since then, there's been multiple records that have been released.
There's supposed to be more records coming out, and there's
a chance that maybe she knows something like Huges coming
out and maybe that was stressing her out, or like
we don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, you have to imagine every single time there's news
about this case, she has to relive the trauma she
went through every single time it comes in the press. Yeah,
and what is really unfortunate too for her is that
so Jeffrey Epstein's dead, so there's no talking to him anymore,
just Leen Maxwell's in prison, so she's harder to get
a hold of. So it's like she's the next in
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line for the Jeffrey Epstein stories unfortunately, So every single
time it's in the press, she probably gets harassed, and
it just it just brings up the trauma over and
over and over again. And as we know, minor.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Victims of sex abuse between ages six and seventeen are
at a higher risk of psychopathy chronic suicidal thoughts PTSD,
so it doesn't seem unlikely that she was going through that.
And really what makes me think that she was was
the statement that was given by her family, which basically said,
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you know, she's been struggling with emotional trauma for years
of abuse and it's become too much for her to
live with and she was struggling, so they didn't seem.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
To be surprised about it, which makes.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Me think they definitely, you know, she's been going through
it for quite some time and it would totally make sense.
I mean, most of us know just the Jeffrey Epstein
part of her story.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But Maria and I.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Did a high profile death of section on this yesterday
in the grosser Room, and she she had like crazy
abuse before she even met that dude.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean it started from when she was a child.
She had claimed that a family friend had sexually abused her,
which caused her to run away. She ended up living
between foster homes, and as a teenager she ended up
somehow living with this pimp in Miami. And then right
after that she was trying to start to get her
life together. She got this job working as a locker
room attendant, and that's where she met Galaine Maxwell, who
(09:00):
then introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein and then you know,
a couple of years with them. She then meets her husband,
who now she's alleging his abuse. I think studies have
come out that have shown that people that are victims
of abuse or tend to be more attractive to other abusers,
like they could smell them out almost And because they've
gone through this abuse their whole life, they don't know
(09:21):
what's wrong or how to get out of it, and
they just went getting themselves into these situations.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, and when Gislaine had met her, she confide in
in her, because think about this, you meet a woman
that's older than you that's trying to make friends with.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You, you might confide in her.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
And she told her that she had this history of
being abused and sexual abuse and stuff, and they used
that against her. Then they knew that they could get
away with it with her. So that was really a
sad part of her story too. So at this point
they're going to do this is going to be a
combination of both the death investigation and the autopsy. So
(10:00):
the autopsy is going to look at her body and
they're going to see if the traumatic wounds that she
has to her body are consistent with whatever method of
suicide she used. So for example, if she shot herself
in the head, let's say, but then they look they
detect her neck out and see that she has evidence
of manual strangulation, then that's obviously going to be a
(10:22):
trigger that throwis style play involves, so things like that.
And then they'll also do testing toxicology to make sure
she wasn't on any medications or alcohol, drugs, et cetera.
And that's going to take a while. So that's why
I think as of right now, they didn't one hundred
percent come out and say that she that it's one
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hundred percent suicide. They just said we're still investigating. But
as of right now, it seems to be suicide and
it does not seem to be suspicious. So once all
the testing comes back, then when they'll also see if
she has any underlying medical thing that they.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Could see or whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But the other part of the death investigation is that
could because oftentimes when people kill themselves, they don't always
write a note that doesn't happen as much as you
would think it did, but there is usually a history
of suicidal ideations or even depression. Were they being treated
by a therapists, were they own medications, did they have anxiety?
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Did they voice their thoughts to anybody that they knew.
So they'll do her social history and see because it's
very weird if a person kills themselves and like you,
interview everyone they know and look at all their medical
records and there's no history of anything like that, then
it would make you a little bit more suspicious that
there was foul play involved.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I mean regardless of the high profile nature of
this case or not. I think it's just a responsible
police work to see if it was an actual suicide
or homicide. Like, they can't just walk on in a
scene that looks like one and just declare that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, exactly, Alright.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Getting to a little bit of a lighter subject, but
still disturbing. Let's talk about this public masturbation.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This is so weird. So there's this waterfront park in
Seattle called Denny Blaine Park and it's unofficially become this
very popular nude beach.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Have you ever been to a nude beach? No, but
I know someone that has, well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I have been to one in Europe actually, and I
just want to say, as somebody that's been to one,
I don't think US Americans are sophisticated or nearly mature
enough to deal with one here. And clearly this one
is resulting in many problems in the community.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So I guess it's an LGBTQ plus park, right, And
I guess since but for a long time, since, for
fifty years, since the seventies, that there's been people that
would want to be topless or something, and it's just
a park for people to gather that feel more comfortable
being undressed or even just like hanging out with each other.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right, And that's all good, but.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I guess that it's been increasingly becoming more than just
a naked like a nude beach. It's becoming sexualized in
a way, and this is now disturbing some of the
neighbors that live in the surrounding neighborhood. So I look
this up and the average the medium sale price for
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a house in that neighborhood is two point two million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
So there's it's surrounded by some historic mansions and just
nicer houses. It's just it's it's a very expensive neighborhood.
And people have had complaints that they're walking down the
street and they're seeing people now that are pulling up
and masturbating and watching the naked people in the park.
Well like like it's on video, and I've seen there's
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this nine minute video that I saw that they that
they were bringing as part of this lawsuit of a
compilation of all of these masturbating videos that that people
are taking in the neighborhood. And it is outrageous to
think that that would be happening right outside of your house.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, well, I understand the point you're trying to make
about it being like a nicer neighborhood, but like, I
don't think or living in a wealthier neighborhood in this
particular situation is gonna avoid it. Because if you just
had a beachfront property, I mean, this could be happening too.
It doesn't necessarily matter where. But the problem in this
case is that it's like attracting these predators. So these
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people are going I'm not laughing because it's funny, it's
just so ridiculous, like these people are going there and
where these people are just trying to enjoy, you know,
being in their bodies and being themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
These of course, these predators.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Are going there and they're like not only masturbating, but
they're like these men are exposing their penises to women
or men and asking them to touch them, and all
this sexual like deviance is going on there, and the
neighborhood is just not.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Having it well.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I don't blame them, because there are new beaches
in America, not just you know, like you were saying
that European wants like a whole other thing, but they're around,
They're in a lot all different places around the country,
and this isn't doesn't seem to be happening. So I
think a lot of it just has to do with,
you know, this one guy keeps going around in this
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red truck and it's not like, let me be very
descriptive as to what one of these videos shows, because
I don't really think that you understand.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
The extent of this.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
This isn't like a guy pulling up in a car
like rubbing one out over his pants. This is like
this guy gets completely naked, gets out of his truck
and just starts jerking off in the middle of the
street and then goes back into his truck and bends
over and starts jerking off and like fingering in his
butthole like in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, this is not this is.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like it's like police need to arrest these people and
get them away, right, It's just that's the end of
the story. So and the thing is is that the
guy keeps coming back because like, why not, you don't
get in trouble, so just.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Keep doing a man either, It's like most oh no,
there's a.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Video of two naked dudes like in a tree jerking off.
It's the most outrageous shit because like, once you let
it go, then it just this is how life works.
It just gets increasingly worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So I guess the community is suing the city, being like,
you need to take care of this because it's becoming
such a problem. But they want to make clear they're
not trying to remove the nude element of the park,
because in Washington it's not illegal to be nude in
public unless you're in the presence of a minor. I
actually think it's if you're in the presence of somebody
under eleven years old, which.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That's the problem though, because this park is not specifically
made for to be a nude beach. It's not really
even officially a nude beach. It's just it's become that.
So I'm assuming that people sometimes just go there because
it's a park and they want to go there with
their kids and that's whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Like I don't give a shit what.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
People do, Like they're all over the place, and as
a parent, I just would be like, all right, well,
there's a nude beach in Florida, Like I'm not going
to go to that one with my kids.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's just really not that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Hard to avoid, Like people could do whatever they want
to do, but that the public sex outside of the
park where where people live is I understand why they're
flipping out about this, But.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Did you see this that last year of the city
announced a plan to build a playground at the park
to deter the nudity that's upsetting the neighbors, Like, what
are you thinking? If it's spiraling out of control to
the point people are having sex in public or masturbating
in public, then you're gonna propose putting a playground there, Like,
it's not going to make the people stop there already
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doing it in public.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
This is this is really the best part of the story.
So it says, according to the city, it plans to
build public masturbation deterrence structures for outside Like what It's
just so it really is just really nuts. So I
didn't even you know, I don't know how I stumbled
across this story this week and I started looking into it.
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I'm like, oh my god, these people have been dealing
with this, and I completely understand. I don't live in
a city, obviously, but just thinking about somebody doing that
outside when I'm walking to my car or something. Kids
just and teenage girl. One of the stories was about
teenage girls with this the guy that was exposing his
genitals and then he started peeing right in front of
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him and stuff. It's just kind of like, Okay, you
guys are pushing it beyond what it should be and
it needs to get reeled in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, Like I.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Personally don't think it matters like what kind of setting
you're in. I just like, no matter where you live,
if you're down the shore or if you're in this
lavish city or this nice neighborhood or like not his
nice neighborhood. You know, just people should not be walking
around in public masterbating like this. This should not be allowed,
and it is absolutely ridiculous. The police are not trying
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to get more of a handle on it. Especially it's
like you're saying, this hasn't even officially been declared a
nude beat, so like really they could just be like
nobody's being nude here anymore. And I understand they don't.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Want to hand it away from That's the kind of
shit they have to do. They have to do like
extreme measures because they just let things go in the
opposite direction, and then they have to go crazy in
the opposite direction because like people don't know how to
behave well.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, like when I was in France and went on
the nude beach, it was like you can just tell
who the tourists were versus the people that live there,
because all the Americans are like back there like snickering, like,
oh my god, boobs right, and it's like to European people,
this is just everyday life. It's not that big of
a deal, Like you don't have to over sexualize nudity.
So I just can't even believe in America we have
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nude beaches because of our attitude generally about being naked.
And then and then you add that these like people,
these like gross people are being attracted to this park,
and it's like it was this really awesome community space
for people, and now every somebody has to ruin everything.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Eventually, Yes, our disturbing story. This this person deserves death
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
No, totally. Two years ago, police got an anonymous call
that there was this diseased child in an apartment in Georgia.
So they show up to this apartment and find this
remain the mummified remains of a seven year old in
a stroller inside of a closet in the apartment.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
How is that even possible?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I always think it's crazy when they find a dead
kid and you're like, there was no record of this
child missing, Like, how is there a seven year old
living in America that not a single adult knows anything
about them missing or anything that It's just really really sad, honestly, Well.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It is sad. I don't know if this person didn't
have family, but this child it later came out with
special needs, so I don't know what their requirements are
with checking up on a.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Child like that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It seems like with the investigation that the mother had
moved out of the apartment months beforehand, she admitted to
leaving the child alive in the house because she was
quote unquote too much to deal with, which is so ridiculous.
We actually have a story coming up in another episode
this week where I really think we should start, you know,
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going back on an eye for an eye type of
punishment in certain cases, like this mother should have to
go through the abuse she put her child through. Jail
is just not enough for some people.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
There has to be Yeah, because I think with some
criminals too. It almost seems like, okay, so she has
and listen like, I'm sure having a seven year old
that is autistic and a cerebral palsy like in this
case and is I don't know if she was in
a wheelchair or whatever it was, but I'm sure it's
a lot, especially if she's a single mom. But you
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if you really really think that it's a lot, you
can give your kid. You can give your kid to
an adoption agency. You don't, you know, you can't. You
don't have to have the kid if you don't want
the kid, and there's somebody that would take care of
the kid, especially when they think that the other choice
is the kid getting abused and killed.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Somebody will take the kid.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
There's plenty of people in this world that have open
hearts to children and children with disabilities, anything that would
take this baby and love this baby like that's it.
This is an interesting point you brought up, because we
are very judgmental on another episode of you know, this
whole Huxley situation, and these people like giving their kid
back and stuff, and I think this is one of
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those situations where you could be more accepting of you know,
you want to hope that when you have a child,
you're gonna devote everything in your power to taking care
of them.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But in this case, instead of resorting to murdering child,
you should certainly be trying to give them a better
opportunity at life and having another family take them on.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
But sometimes in cases that we talk about, these people
have such they're like sociopaths. You could sit there and
just be like, so you're living in an apartment and
the kids a lot to handle, and you stick a
live human being that your child strapped in a stroller
and put her in the closet and just walk away
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and move out, and that's the end.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Of the story. Like she shouldn't deserve to live.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
On this planet anymore. Like she's never going to be
rehabilitated in my opinion, Like it's, well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
This is what I'm saying. She should be strapped in
something and shoved in the closet and left to starve
to death.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, they never do anything like that, and listen, like
maybe she's got underlying mental illness or maybe she's just
plain evil whatever, but it's it's such a gross story.
And starving to death is painful and there's just a
lot more to the story too, because I think the
prosecutor was like, uh, you know, I just want her
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family to know that now she maybe they can rest
knowing that she's in jail for not enough. But like,
but so when they statement like that, though, I'm like,
so the prosecutors trying to reassure a family that didn't
know that their seven year old family member was missing
for months, Like and I don't know, Like I just
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there's something about the story, like I just don't I
don't buy it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
How how's a kid? How's a seven year old kid?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Just like not heard from or known, there's no friends,
there's no it's it's the whole entire thing to me,
is is nuts. And then if she moved out of
the apartment, that did no one move into the apartment?
Who found the kid? I didn't hear anything else about
the story. It's just it's just crazy. And then again,
think about cops getting a phone call. You get a
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phone call, either the cops send the medical examiner's office
that there's a dead kid strapped in a stroller in
a closet, Like, how does that not haunt you for the.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Rest of your career?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And then the kids mammified, like just left there, just
like just like trash.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's just it's so sick. Well, if the mother.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Pleaded guilty to murder, it was sentenced to life without parole.
I just think when it comes to the murder of children,
especially in this nature, this child suffered, She's starved to death.
I'm not even trying to be like Nancy about it,
like I'm just I can't imagine the suffering this little
kid went through. And then this mom's just like gonna
be in jail the rest of her life. It's just
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it's just not enough. In certain cases like this, it
is just not enough.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, And unfortunately it was the perfect and this is
this is maybe part of the problem as to why
because normally, if a person, even a little seven year
old person, died in an apartment building, you would smell it, right,
it would the smell decomposition. But sometimes when you're when
a person's decomposing and the conditions are just right, the
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person might the decomposition process might stop and it could
start the mummification process. And in this particular situation, this
child was in that perfect of a situation where she
was starved, so she was dehydrated and had less fluid
in her body than she should have to begin with.
And who knows if she was even treated well beforehand.
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That they're not going to be able to tell much.
I mean, they'll be able to see if she had
broken bones that were healed and things like that, but
I mean the appearance of her soft tissue and everything
is not as ideal to do an examination for abuse
in that situation. But so, she was dehydrated, and bacteria
need water in order to They need moisture and water
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in order to replicate and to break down the body.
And then further things can break down the body to
cause decomposition, like a flies in the apartment and then
the fly lands on top of a person and it
lays eggs, and then those eggs turn into maggots, and
then that aids in the decomposition process as well. But
the bacteria is breaking down the body is what causes
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that terrible smell that we associate with a dead body decomposing.
But when you're in a dark closet that's dry, and
your body's dehydrated, it's the perfect environment for mummification. So
and it often it doesn't smell that bad, like you
might get up on it and it would be a
little bit foul, But sometimes it doesn't smell at all,
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so that would be likely why no one around was
clued into it.
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Speaker 2 (28:24):
All Right, this case pisses me off so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, this baby was born on March thirty first, with
complex congenital heart disease how to procedure, and was scheduled
to go home on April sixteenth. So before he was discharged,
the family decided that we're going to have a circumcision.
It ended up being botched, and now the baby's in
even worse condition.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I hate hearing this story.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So this happened at New York Presbyterian Morgan Stanley's Children's Hospital,
like a pretty big deal hospital that you would never
expect such sloppiness to happen. And I guess the kid
was diagnosed with the concentat all hearts deformity when he
was in utero, and they told the parents, listen, when
you have this kid, they're they're gonna need a little
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bit of surgery and like a smaller surgery and he
should go on to live a normal life.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And so they didn't think anything much of it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
And apparently the kid had heart surgery, okay, open heart
surgery as a as a newborn infant and survived it
and was fine. So he was scheduled to get a circumcision,
and he was actually supposed to be going home within
a day or two, because that's he was at the
end of his hospital stay, and they decided to do
it at eleven o'clock at night, which I don't really
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know anything about what happens in the hospital when that's scared.
It might but I don't know because there's doctors there.
I don't even know what doctor does it. Honestly, I
don't know if the obstetrician does it. I don't I
don't know who does it. I have no idea about
it because I'm telling you right now, like I have
three girls, but if I had a way, they were
never getting circumcised because and this is actually proof to
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my point, because the dad had written this Facebook post
about oh, my son was going in to get this
minor simple thing done and this and that, and it's
just like I think that a lot of people just
think that it's like this nothing thing, and there's from
all the cases that I've seen, the complications and all
messing with that crucial area and a man, no thanks.
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I just I'm not into it at all. I just
don't think it's necessary. But people could do whatever they
want to do. That's just my personal opinion. So I
don't know anything about it, but apparently they were doing
it at eleven o'clock at night, and he started having
severe bleeding afterwards, to the point where the nurse said
that she went in and saw that the the bedding
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was soiled with blood, and to me, I feel like,
as a nurse, that should be very alarming that that's
a significant amount of blood for that procedure. And apparently
I don't know if it was a fellow that was there.
So a fellow is a person that had went to
medical school, finished residency and is maybe doing a specialty
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in that field, but is not yet an attending physician,
which is when you know you're the top level of
the doctor in that situation. So a fellow is still
someone that technically a doctor but still in training. So
throughout the night there were multiple checks done, and apparently
it just seemed like the bleeding didn't really stop, but
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they went on for hours and hours and hours, and
it wasn't until the morning that they decided to take
blood work from this kid and they found that his
hemoglobin was so low that he lost one third of
his blood and needed to get multiple transfusions. So what
happens in that case is when your body doesn't have
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enough blood, it starts pulling the blood from other or
from your organs to keep you alive, and unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That caused his bowl to die.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
His bow his colon died, so they had to cut
him open and do emergency surgery to remove his dead
boll so he wouldn't die. Twenty blood transfusions this kid's had.
The worst part is is before any of this went down,
So because they took so long to figure any of
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this out, the mom. So the mom's not there because
this kid was born early and has been in the
hospital for this this heart's effect and the surgery.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So the mom's not admitted. She had the baby a
while ago.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So the kid is scheduled to get this procedure done
at night. She comes in in the morning thinking she's
going to start discussing releasing the kid back home, and
she finds him pale and like unconscious, like he looks
like he's dying and fine, I just can't imagine what's
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happening here, but they were sending so they finally sent
the blood. They figured this out, but this was all
like in the time when the mom was just arriving
in the morning, so she saw she saw the baby
looking like this. They started doing all this work up,
they found out that the kid was severely anemic, losing blood,
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and I just I really just don't know what happened.
It looks like they were having a hard time getting
a line.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
On the kid.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
They didn't let the attending physician, so that's really the
one that's in charge no something until like eight thirty
in the morning during a shift change. So I don't
know if it was just like nurses and residents and
fellows that were just trying to handle this themselves.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But let me let me just tell ask you this.
So obviously, if this was a normal situation and he
hadn't been he hadn't had the procedure and had to
stay longer to the mom and she was in the
room with him still, obviously I would assume somebody would
have found it a little sooner because the family would
have been holding the baby and somebody would have been
checking on.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
The baby moork.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So to me, this seems like after the procedure was done,
he was clearly not being checked up.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Though the alarming part is that he was checked up
on multiple times. Yeah, he was checked at two point
thirty in the morning, three o'clock in the morning, five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
There's all documentation like someone.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Kept going in and saying like it's blating a lot,
let's change it, let's do this, let's do that. But
they never did anything else to see what was happening.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And when I'm I'm just trying to be like.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
What happened, okay, because obviously there could be it could
be botched. I don't even necessarily know if the circumcision
was done incorrectly.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
The thing is is that I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
The kids underlying congenital heart issue is, but there's a
possibility that he could have been on some kind of
medications and blood thinners because of it, and that would
cause even a minor injury to bleed a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well, if that was my next question was if they
really wanted the circumcision done, were they not advised properly
to wait a certain amount of time because he just
had this pretty serious Well that's that's not.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
That that wouldn't they wouldn't say, okay, well, you know
the risk a kid might bleed to death, Like, they
wouldn't do that, Like, if they thought it was that risky,
they would just wait and not do it. Yet, So
I don't I don't know, like I don't work there
and stuff, but and obviously there's more to the story,
but the bottom line is is like the dad's not lying.
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All of this happened, and you have to sit there
and say, like, why what happened? Because something isn't right.
And and this is why I fucking hate circumcisions because
I hear listen, like I think ninety percent of people
or ninety five percent of people that get them done
have no issues. But when there's complications, you just sit
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there and you're like, oh my god, Like my kid
didn't even have to have this. And now I have
a case in the gross room of a kid that
got his penis amputated by accident. He has no penis, yes,
because of this, Like his penis got cut in half
because of a circumcision. And then you're just like, oh
my god, that just didn't even need to happen. So
I don't know, like it just it freaks me out
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a little bit, or the infections or this and that, And.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I understand your hesitance with it and why you're against it,
But I think if we really look statistically at the
problems versus how many of these are performed today. I mean, really,
there can't be that many issues compared to how many
of these are performed.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Everything. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I personally wouldn't take the risk, but that's that's just me.
I'm just saying, like, we hear about these really horrible
situations that happen, and there's obviously a lot more that
are unreported or not in the news. But you have
to think about how there's definitely a lot of the
dumb that are done as well that people don't report
because it just causes people. I mean, you hear men
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complaining about sometimes like oh yeah, that's always been like
that and stuff like that, and I don't know, I
feel like if you interviewed most dudes, they wouldn't want
like huge peace of their penis missing. Now I'm pretty
sure about that. But whatever, people could do whatever they
want to do. I think that it and it's just
like everything else in the world, there's always risks with everything.
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But to me, I'm just like just going back in
time with this kid, You're just like, oh my god,
this kid had to have so now he had a
bow resection, so he's going to have adhesions.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
If this kid even.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Survives all this because this is a lot for a
little body to go through. He's a couple I don't
even know. I think he's a couple weeks old, right,
He has now had open heart surgery, open abdomen surgery,
all those adhesions. He's going to maybe deal with issues
from lifelong twenty blood transfusions. Not to mention, they said
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that there might be signs that he has encephalopathy, which
is he's having some kind of or encephalitis. He's having
some kind of inflammation with his brain, which may be
due to the lack of oxygen he was getting because
he had a lack of blood flow, which I mean,
these are problems that could affect the rest of this
kid's life. On top of that, his mom obviously is
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so stressed out that she stopped producing milk and now
she can't even breastfeed her kid, and the kid has
to have a.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Tube feeding anyway. The whole thing is so upsetting.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
And it just makes it makes me think of a
couple situations that I've heard of one I've had personally
where for whatever reason, the attending doctors go home at
night and there's these gaps where like the residents and
fellows are kind of watching over things and shit, bad
shit goes down. I feel like we had a story
on that recently on Mother Knows Death, but I personally
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know of a story of that as well, so I
guess that was the dad is just bringing this up,
like this is supposed to be one of the best
hospitals in the entire country, Like why were people watching
this baby not who just had surgery?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Weren't doing the proper thing. I just hope that hospital.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I mean, obviously the hospital has to be doing an investigation,
but they need to figure out exactly the whole thing is.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Who cares though the parent? Okay, the parents are going
to get five million dollars, who cares?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It's not about the money. I'm saying, like they need
to investigate this so it doesn't happen to another patient.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, but like it keeps stuff keeps happening, because.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
If this baby survives this, that's a miracle. But it
is like total unnecessary stress this family has to go
through when they already knew going into the berth that
they were going to be having issues with the kid.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And I mean, I know, I one of one of
my little nephews through a friend it had open heart
surgery and was born with a congenital heart defect, like
this is has that really doesn't. The only thing that
has to do with it is maybe, like I said,
doublood banners or whatever, like that kid was gonna be fine.
That has nothing to do with what happened there. And
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I just don't know. I really hope they update on
it on this story because I want to read what
happens because I just can't believe it, or if any
of you know any more about the story, please let
us know.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
All right, let's move on to this new study that's
come out to say that eating white meat can shorten
your life.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I just like hate life so much.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's always inspected by big red meat. Though, like there's
a lot of I don't know, to be there's like
some inconsistencies with this study.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
No, it was published in a journal called nutrition. I
don't know, well, I actually don't know who funded the study.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
But it was in a meta it was in a medical.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I honestly like, let's let me tell about the study
and then and then we'll go from there. So, this
was a large study that took place in southern Italy
over the course of many years with four and sixty
nine people, So that's a lot. And they were studying years. Yeah,
for eighteen years. They were studying what they were eating
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every single day, and they found that if you ate
more than ten ounces of white meat like chicken per week,
which is not really a whole lot, No, it was
linked to in twenty seven percent increase in all cause
deaths and more than double the rate of gastro intestinal cancer. Okay,
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that's kind of huge, and it's especially huge because when
I was growing up now, I think when I was
growing up, it was like, oh, red meat's good for you,
And then there was this whole movement in like the
nineties that was like, red meat's terrible for you. You have
to eat chicken all the time for every single meal.
And I know people that are still doing that to
this day. And now they're saying that it contradicts that
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study that red meat was causing GI cancer.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yes, but I want to say they said they were
studying the lifestyle habits of the participants. They were also
self reporting what they were eating, so they could have
been lying, and they were reporting the way in which
they were eating it. So like was this people who
ate Like so they're saying at the end of the study,
like the best way to eat it is bake or broiled.
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So were these people that were eating it bakeer broiled
or were these people that were eating it deep fried
every day?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Like I think I just personally listen, like I don't
even think that it matters. I don't even think any
of this matters anyway, because all of these four eight
hundred and sixty nine people, like, yes, they were eating
chicken whatever, but like they could have been doing other
similar things that had nothing to do with what they
were eating or exposures.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
They're all Italian, assuming that they all live in South Italy.
They don't.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I mean, maybe they have some immigrants there, but it's
mostly all Italian people that have maybe similar geans and
protective jeans and mutations that they could have and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
So that alarms me too. And like we've talked about
this before.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I definitely have told you this that when you I
learned about this in school freaking twenty five years ago,
that that cooking meat on the barbecue is terrible for you.
It increases your risk for cancer, it gets summa cancer.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I want to say that that wasn't information that I
really retained because I've always had the understanding that grilled
chicken was the healthiest chicken.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
No, no, Like, listen, I'm not saying to never have
barbecue because it's delicious, but when you're cooking, when you
cook anything, it's the same exact thing with weed and
cigarettes and everything else. Like when you are cooking something
and making it a high temperature, it changes the chemical
composition of all of it, so it's it's no longer
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has the same exact health things as it did when
it was a raw or slightly cooked piece of chicken.
It the char has been known to cause cancer, and
that's that's been a thing forever. So you're definitely not
supposed to eat meat like that, like multiple times a week,
with blackened from burned on the grill, like it's it's
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terrible for you. And obviously, like because I think another
study came out this week too that highly processed food
in general is an increased risk for cancer, which is obviously.
You know what's funny though, today, So whenever Gabe is
at work or something and I drive the kids to
school myself, I always call my dad on the way home,
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and he always just talks about like when he was
a kid and this and that. Now my dad's eighty, right,
he was telling me today about how they used to
go swimming in the Delaware River and there were all
rats on the end of the river and he said
it was so dirty and there was an oil slick
and when they used to they used to go in
their shorts and he said they would go in the
water and when they came out of the water, their
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skin was like covered in black.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
And I'm just like and like.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Now to think about that, like that would never ever happen, right,
or like rarely happen, I should say, because I guess
kids could get into something. But you're just like this
might be why you people get can when you're older,
because like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Like that he's defying all odds of people that get
this stuff though, because he smoked when he was like
a little kid, basically, and then he has stories like this.
He was also a mechanic, being exposed to horrible fumes
and grease his entire life. And then he eats a
bag of marshmallows like every day. And he's eighty years old,
so it's like he's defied all science.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
He's genetic scien genetically, he's Southern Italian, and you know
what's you know what's interesting too because pop Up was
like so excited when this study came out because he
hates chicken, and now he's like, maybe your mom will
stop cooking it because I hate.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
It and I kind of do too, honestly, So I'm
kind of.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Glad that I just brought this stuff recently to Louie
because I was like, he went on this, I'll never
forget that the only day he's ever yelled at me
when he told me I was the most negative person
with to like, no, have you met your other two
daughters and your wife first of all? But it was
the day that goes down in history is the day
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he yelled at me. But he also did this tight
ten about how he hated chicken and then proceeded to
eat all of our gluten free chicken fingers even though
it was the only thing we could eat at dinner
that day.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh yeah, but he like chicken. I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I don't like cooking it and touching it. It's just
gross to me. It has a weird smell that grosses me.
Out and I don't. I don't really like the taste.
I just think it's like dry and whatever. And I
but I cook it because I'm like, oh, this is
a good thing to cook for my family. And now
I'm kind of like, oh, I'll cite this study even
though I think that there's a lot of holes in it.
This is the problem because like they put out a
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study like this, and now this might affect businesses because
of this, Like it's because people will be scared, and
they don't they they really are just like we don't
know what the connection is, so so really then it's
like it doesn't exist as of right now. I mean,
obviously I think they give like I guess that's why
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they're saying to use processed chicken, because they'd probably give
them like.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
A shit ton of hormones and stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I had some chicken the other day that I got
at the grocery store, and I couldn't believe how big
the piece of chicken was, and I was just like, dude,
this is not normal, Like I don't know what the
hell they gave this chicken.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
But yeah, I cut it in half.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Three times, like like sliced it long ways, and it
was it made like three normal sized chicken breast. It
was just crazy and I'm just it like grosses me
out because I'm like, ew, what are they giving these
things to be this plump and stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I forced myself to eat chicken because I was under
the assumption it was healthier. I still really like want
to do a deeper dive in this study because it's
giving conspiracy that Big beefs behind it, because they're having
this moment right now, you know, yellow stones highlighting these
these cattle farms or these cattle ranches and how it's
like this old American job that's being pushed out and
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this could be a good moment for them to come back.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Well, but they're not saying that you should eat meat instead,
Like if the study was like, you know what, you
should switch to cow because they have their cows, actually
have their.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Actually the dietician I was interviewed for this said they
eat fish. So maybe big fish is sponsoring this, yeah,
study and.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
You'll get mercury poisoning. It's just like whatever, this is,
this is the thing of the week. Remember it was
just like don't drink tap water. Okay, we don't drink
tap water an now.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It's like you're getting cancer from the bottled water. Like
it's just like, make up your freaking mind. People.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
I also just saw a graphic on Instagram that could
have been totally fake, but it was something like sixty
eight percent of our bottled water is just tap water.
And I'm like, no, shit out, Like.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
No it is. I've always been saying that. I'm just
like this is like I'm telling you. When pop Up
for when I first told him that I saw bottled
water in the store when I was a kid, he
was just like, what.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Kind of a stupid ass? We pay money for water
in a bottle? Think about this.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
It's like a multi gajillion dollar industry, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Think about this full like picture. Historically, so people literally
used to have to drink alcohol because it was cleaner
than drinking the tap water. And now the clean water
quote unquote we have is poisoning us in a different way.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
But if they're yeah, like if they're putting the tap
water we shouldn't be drinking into a bottle, then it's
actually making it worse because of the plastics. Yes, think
about that for a second.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Really, historically, you've never won with the food, Like it's
kind of amazing. We've lived this long because it's the
humans considering all this, So I don't know why everybody
acts all surprised by this. It's actually been happening historically
for thousands of years.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
So I don't wait.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Do you think next we're gonna find out that ozempic's
like really bad for you or something?
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Though, No, that would never happen.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Okay, let's talk about mortuary owners doing experiments on dead bodies.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, this mortuary we owner in Austin has been arrested
after investigators found she may have forged many death certificates
and cut limbs off of corpses to conduct embombing experiments.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
All right, So I don't really exactly know what was
happening here, but it's this I'm gonna try to explain
it to you how I think it was happening. She
she uh does cremation and she does embombing, And I
guess that she was getting bodies and before she was
cremating them, she would cut off their body parts to
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do these experiments before. It seems like once she did
the experiments, she was putting it and cremating it, although
it wasn't clear if it was saying that she was
keeping the body parts with the person because really, like
I have Gabe's mom here in ashes, Jen's got her dad, Like,
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how would you really know if the ashes from the
arm weren't in there, you know what I mean, Like
a regular person wouldn't know? Is this how big the
bags to be? I don't know, you know, So I
don't know exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
What was happening, but she was doing.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Experiments to see how what would happen if you embalmed
an arm versus not, and but doing this with like
cutting off heads and stuff. And I don't really know
why she was doing it. But when they seized all
of her information, they found that she was having communication
with a place called med to Market. Okay, yeah, so
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it's a if this article says. Investigator said she was
working with a medical training company named med to Market.
On the quote experiments. She guessed around fifteen bodies were
quote mutilated and subject to experimentation with the permission of
med to market. It was updating the company on the outcomes.
So then when they were asked about it, they said
that they knew she was embalming the arms, and when
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they asked if it was normal, they said, well, med
schools do it all the time. Okay, so this is
this is this is true to an extent. Like, but listen,
if my dad dies and I send him to get cremated,
that doesn't mean that you, as the owner of the crematory,
have the right to cut off his head and do
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experiments and then and then do that. It's a lot
different if I donate my dad to medical school and
say here or to science, whatever you want to say,
because then they could do things like that and that
I mean that stuff needs to be done in some
circumstances for whatever reasons they're doing it for, right, But
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like let's just say, for example, even something stupid like
sometimes let's say a person gets their arm cut off
and then they because a lot of times if people
get their limbs cut off, they send them to the
funeral home, and the funeral home stores them for a
while until they die. Because people want to be buried
with their whole body. Right, Well, if they want to
have let's say they just want to have an open
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casket or something, they might want to embalm the arm too,
and like they want to see if they could do
that and it would work, and it wouldn't be in
the casket with the person. I mean, that's like such
a rare thing that would ever happen. But there's probably
other reasons they do it. I just it's not really
my field, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Let's say she had these profound results from these experiments, Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Could she even Well apparently she was telling this med
to market company what her results were.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
How were they sharing the findings if it was being
done illegally?
Speaker 2 (53:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I don't know, Like I just can't believe that there's
a company that's doing that kind of stuff that doesn't
know that there's like a clear distinction between people who
donate and can set their body to science versus ones
that are just getting buried under a routine funeral.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, well, like funeral service commission. First of all, they're
the ones that foreign police. She was doing this, which
led to her arrest because a former employee had come
forward and said she had been doing the experiments and
she was using that person's name on these death certificates.
But the TFSC is saying that it's unlawful for a
commercial ebombing establishment to use a dead human body for
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research or educational purposes. So clearly this is against the
law what she's doing, which obviously led to her wrist.
But like, even if you really are trying to do
something in the name of science, how are you sharing
your findings with people consider you're illegally conducting the experiments?
Speaker 3 (54:15):
I don't know, I think, I mean, she should be
in trouble with the company she if she was working
for them or whatever.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That's that's just weird too.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I don't I couldn't really follow the story, and that's
what I think was happening, But they I couldn't really
figure out what.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
They were hoping to get with that information.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Well, yeah, it's the way it's reading is that they
acknowledge she was involving though, but they weren't advocating for
the experiments.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
So to speak.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
So whatever, let's move on to questions of the day.
Every Friday at that at Mother Knows Death Instagram account,
you guys can head over to our story and ask
us whatever you want. First, have you traveled to Canada?
Would you do a meet and greet for fans? Have
you ever been there?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
No? I never been there, but I would. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
I mean, first we need to acknowledge the attack that
happened over the weekend in Vancouver during the Lapo Lapoo
Day festival.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Absolutely horrible.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I can't imagine just trying to have like a fun
day going to a parade and then just some psycho.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Just like drives your car through the crowd.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
I honestly, like my city does a parade for Christmas
and stuff. I just like I don't want to go.
It sucks, But it just like scares the shit out
of me. That's something like this is gonna happen because
some psycho is gonna If you're not worried about a god,
now you're worried about someone who running people over with
a car, I mean killing that many people?
Speaker 2 (55:40):
What was eleven people got killed? Yeah, it's just really scary.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Although it's trying to a fun day out with your family.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I know. And the guy, Like.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
The scary part of that whole thing is that apparently
the guy his brother was murdered like.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
A year ago. Did you read all that?
Speaker 3 (55:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
I just saw that he was only charged with second murder,
which I thought was kind of weird, but like we
haven't really done a deep dive into this, so.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
So so, Yeah, his brother was murdered a year or
two ago, and then his mom had a complete meltdown
over it, obviously because she lost a child and then
she was suicidal, and apparently ever since that happened, like
his mental health was worstening because the mom actually attempted
suicide and and he found her. So imagine losing your
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brother and then that happening. But he was having deteriorating
mental health, and one of his family members had called
the psychiatric word at a hospital and had said like, hey,
this guy is acting erratically and his mental health is
worsening and I'm worried about it. And then hours later
he ended up doing this.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Oh my god, so horrible. It is horrible because it's it.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
I don't I don't know what the solution is, but
obviously people doing this stuff are just not in their
right mind.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
But it's freaking scary.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Man.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
I went to Ontreal in December and I absolutely loved it.
Having spoken French throughout my high school years, it was
it was fun to, you know, be in a country
where they primarily speak French. It was like kind of
trippy though, because everybody is seemingly bilingual there, so they'll
start off speaking French to you and then if you
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say like hello back then they'll transition to English immediately,
which was just kind of weird. But I did have
the best gluten free croissants of my life. I actually
recently saw you can order them online. So we might
be getting a nice street in the mail scene.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
But how far away that from where we live.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
It's about I think it was about eight hours away.
So we had gone to Lake Placid for my birthday
and then I saw on the map it was only
about two hours away, and since for me and my
husband are such big hockey people, we were like, why
don't we go there? Since it was only two hours
from Lake Placid. Because the Habs were playing the Capitals
that weekend, which now they're playing each other in the playoffs,
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it's really heated, but it was a super fun game.
And hockey is like football over there, So when we
went to a hockey game on Saturday night, it was
like the craziest thing I've ever seen compared to the
hockey games over here. But Montreal's a super beautiful city.
It snowed, it was like magical the whole time. We
had McDonald's over there, which is like boring, but I
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wanted to taste it in another country.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Was it different?
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah, it didn't taste as good because they have better
health regulations over there.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
So, oh my god, I really.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Really really want to go to Toronto. We keep trying
to plan a trip where we could time it up
where baseball and hockey are like overlapping, so we can
hit the Blue Jays and the Maple Leafs game like.
That would be an awesome trip, and I've heard it's
a really beautiful city.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
It looks super cool.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
From what I see, so and my husband's going to
be mad. But because the Flyers didn't make the playoffs,
I'm going to vote for the Maple Leafs, which he's
not going to be happy with, but they might make
it far. I don't know, but I loved Canada. I
would love to do a meet and great situation there,
maybe a live show or something.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, that'd be cool too.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
I'm about to give birth tips for unmedicated birth says
our fit.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Like I gave three unmedicated births, but they weren't planned
to be. When I walked in, I wanted to get
meds and it just didn't work out that way. I
don't know what to tell you, it hurts, and like,
the best advice I have to give is, it's a
little bit different. Like if you walk into the hospital
and you're having some kind of insane pain and you
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don't know what it is and you don't know when
it's going away, that could be very scary. But when
you're having a baby, it's like you know that you're
having a baby, you know what's causing the pain. You're
going to think that it hurts worse than you're gonna
say like something's not right.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
This hurts too bad. It's that bad.
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
And then but like literally as soon as the baby
comes out, the pain goes away.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
It's just like you have this like magic ephor you you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Know, yes, you really do. It feels like you have
an IV of drugs in you. After you have the baby,
it's the most insane thing ever. It feels like you
have xanax. It's like so insane and it just ends.
So my advice to you is to get in touch
with your body and figure out because I feel like
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when you don't have the drugs, it helps the labor
go buy faster obviously, because you could really feel all
of your body parts and think about being this is
kind of gross, but it's true. When you're constipated and
you have to go to the bathroom, like you know,
when where in your body to push to like get
that out. Well, when you have the baby that's kind
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of stuck in a similar situation, you just have to
focus to that area because a lot of people don't
push right. And all of the times that I had
the babies, they pushed out really fast because I just
felt like I knew how to do it and get
it out. And then the quicker you get it out,
the quicker the pain goes away. And then, like I said,
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it just it just ends there, like you might have
to get I don't even think they do apisiotomies anymore,
but you might tear a little from the delivery or whatever,
Like none of that matters. That's that's not really any
kind of pain. It like it the pain is one
hundred percent gone as soon as the kid comes out.
So I think that's reassuring because sometimes you go into
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the hospital, especially like men for example, if they have
a kidney stone and they don't know where what the
pain's coming from. It's like you go in you don't
know where it's coming from. You don't know how they're
going to make it go away. You don't know how
fast you're going to getdrugs to make that feeling go away.
It's just very scary and unknown, which with a baby,
it's just kind of like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Normal stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I'm interested if the listener is doing this at the
hospital or like a birthing center or at home, you
should write us back with what happened with your birth
story and obviously congratulations on your baby.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
There's lots of people that do the breathing and this
and the that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
And it's just kind of like, I don't I don't know,
Like I, like I said, I didn't really walk in.
I feel like one thing they should do is prepare
all women to walk in that you might not get drugs,
and if you do, like bonus for you. And I never,
like I went in every single time with that reassurance
and got screwed every single time.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I follow this girl on Instagram who had two babies
in the hospital and then her third baby she delivered
at home, and she says the third berth was the
best one, like the natural one without the drugs.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, compared to it, it really is.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I mean, like I had Lucia got up. I went
to the bathroom like while they were still like cleaning her.
Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Off and stuff. It was like it was awesome and
it was and I felt good.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I got up and you know, after everything happened, I
got up and it took a shower and like, you know,
people come visit me at the hospital. They're like, you
don't look like you just had a baby, And I'm like,
I feel one hundred percent fine. Like I could go
to work right now if I had to, Like I
feel my body feels fine. So that's the best part
of it. It just it just hurts. I mean, I
(01:03:23):
don't some people are like, oh, it wasn't that bad,
and other people think it's really bad.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
So it's just like if you never had a kid.
It's just hard to say. Speaking of that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I just saw Kylie Kelsey recorded a podcast episode two
days after giving birth of like, this is really setting
up bad expectations for us aspiring mother.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I don't think it is at all.
Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Like I put on makeup then I took a shower
and put on makeup, Like it's if like stop being
a little bit and get up and move on with life.
If you have to sit there and take care of
a human being. You're fine to sit there and record
a podcast for a half hour like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
All right, Last question, Maria, you've mentioned your internship in
New York. What field was that in?
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I when I was going to college for photography, I
thought it was going to be like the next Anti
leave of It. So I was trying to work in fashion,
and I really wanted to get an internship at Vogue
since I was like twelve years old. That was my dream.
And then I believe a year or two before I
was looking into internships, Conde Nast cut their internship program
(01:04:27):
due to a bunch of legal disputes with other interns.
So I applied for a bunch of other internships and
I ended up getting one at L magazine, which was Via,
which was at the Hurst Tower, Hurst Publication, So I
did that. I think it was this summer in between
my junior and senior year of college. So I woke
(01:04:47):
up at four thirty in the morning, I took the
six am megabus to Manhattan and I worked till six
thirty seven at night, and then I took the megabus home,
got home around ten o'clock at night, and I did
that for three and a half months.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Street for three days a week and then I.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Worked the other four days of the week to pay
to go to New York the other three days of
the week. So that was crazy. It was real life
The Devil Wears Prada. I mean that that movie is
not exaggerated at all. That's not everybody at the office
acted like that, but certainly some people did.
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
I never saw that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
What I didn't that is ridiculous. Is that like something
the kids could watch or yeah, definitely, Oh okay, yeah,
because I think it's PG. Thirteen because they reference like
in Eating Disorder and there's like a scene where she
has sex with somebody. But I don't think they show
the sex. It just eludes, like they wake up naked,
like it's no, there's no nudy. They could definitely watch it.
(01:05:44):
I would say they should watch it. I think they'll
really like it. But yeah, some people like this chick
Stephanie worked with was like the coolest chick ever. I
loved working under her. But then there was other people
in the office that were terrible. You know, it just
it's part of the industry and they don't pay very well.
It was an awesome internship because I worked in the
fashion closet, so I got to do sample trafficking and like,
(01:06:07):
you know, see these ten thousand dollars Gucci dresses before
they came out that we'd pull for a photo shoot,
and I got to go to the showrooms of a
lot of designers and that was really awesome. But it
was difficult and it was hard to pay the bills. Ever, no,
it never would pay the bills for me. Like I think,
a lot of people that worked there came from wealthier families,
so it didn't necessarily mattered if they had a job
(01:06:29):
that paid twenty five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
But that was the situation I could be in.
Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
So I enjoyed my time there. I did really love
working in New York, and I considered, if I had
gotten a good job offer, moving there, but I didn't,
and that's fine because everything worked out pretty good. So
I like how everything turned out, and I had a
good experience there overall. But thank you guys so much.
Please don't forget to leave us a five star review,
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