November 20, 2025 • 47 mins
This week, actor Justice Smith and Kyle delve into their love for Shakespeare & Pokémon, what it was like going to magic school for Now You See Me: Now You Don’t, their philosophy on acting & play, Justice’s superpower & why he prioritizes authenticity, what he learned from starring in I Saw the TV Glow & how the movie references David Lynch, the impact of social media on celebrity culture, why Kyle & Justice love being weird on TikTok, and a spellbinding game of “It’s Giving Magic”.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What don't we even do? What don't we even do?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Get along with few? Granted I did, Oh I love you? Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So I just talked to Rosamond Pike about this on
the set of What I'm Here to Promote, because when
I worked with him, I was like, Hugh, you know,
do you still love what you do? Do you still
love this? And He's just like, no, he said, I've
never loved it. He's like, I just wanted to be
famous and make a lot of money. And I said really,
he said, yeah, he is so funny. And he's like,
(00:38):
I've always hated the acting part of it. And I
was like, oh, but he said it was such sincerity.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, here's the thing about him. I think I got
a vibe about that. You might have a feeling about
that too. I've known Hugh for a long time and
he has the same spiel that he does. I think
the thing about that is so challenging for him is
that he's such a perfectionist and he takes.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It so serious.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I did notice that, and and so it is it's
like everything he wants it to be perfect. You know,
he's got I think control issues. But I feel like
it's the torture of that experience as opposed to kind
of letting it all go and just you know, doing
what he does.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But I gotta believe that he finds joy in it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I would hope that he was joking, but I also
that British humor is so dry and like sometimes hard
to permeate. That I don't know because he was so sincere.
But then I watch him like he puts a lot
of like he does the work, like he puts a
lot of effort into what he does, you know. And
we were working on a silly comedy together, you know,
(01:41):
and he just you could tell he really cares about it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, No, I think that's that's his And he said
a good actor, he'll make you believe that he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, because Rosmond also said She's like, no, I'm pretty
sure he's just British. I don't think. I'm like, are
you sure? Because it's stuck with me. I was like, oh,
I guess you couldn't be a real good actor and
just want to like just do it for the fame
and money, fame and money.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I was like, okay, no, no, no, we're going to
start out. We're we're already started. I'm Kyle McLachlin. What
are We even do?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I'm the host of this crazy podcast What Are We
Even Doing? Where we sit down with actors, musicians, creatives
of all type and we talk about their creative process,
what moves them, how they use social media. It's a
place where we can get weird but in a good way.
And today we have a very special guest. I'm very
excited to speak with you. You've done some movies that
(02:33):
I really love. The Dungeons and Dragons, Pokemon Detective Speak
atch you. I'm a closet Pokemon player.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We'll get into that later.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Really, Jurassic World, Lego, Efficient Audo, We're going to talk
about legos as well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Some might call you the Beyonce of the Renaissance.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Fair call me that. That's really funny.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Justice Smith is with us. That's so fun I'm happy here.
Thanks for green to come on.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm so happy to be Justice Smith. I gotta say
when I first I said, this is a sheriff.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
This is a sheriff that it keeps his town absolutely
under control.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah. I feel like I should have been in the
legal system some like somewhere I should have pursued that career.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's not too late, it's not too late. I'm so
glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I always start by asking our guests. It was there
a moment of time, feeling that you had something that
sort of triggered in you, kind of like, hey, this
is I think, this is what I should do. This
is where I'm supposed to go. You know, this creative
spark is sending me on my way that you listen to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You know, listen. Yeah, But it was from like I
always say, I came out of the womb, quoting Shakespeare,
like I just always had an affinity for it. Yeah,
Which I was really fortunate at a really young age
to know exactly what I wanted to do with my
life because there wasn't anything that was going to stop me.
You know. I didn't really have to take the time
(03:57):
and figure out what my purpose was what I You
didn't question, no, I just like at a young age,
I mean, it was just like, oh, I want to
play pretend, you know, yeah, because that's my childlike perception
of what acting is. It's what we did pretend, you know.
And then as I got older, like more of my
adolescents and I started to have feelings in existential dread.
(04:20):
I was like, which comes with I was like, Oh,
this is a space in which I can express all
my messy feelings that experienced real catharsis. And so it
became therapy for me. But as just as I aged,
it just became useful in new ways.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And parents were supportive. Were they in the arts?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yes, both my parents were singers and also kj's do
you know what that is? So at the time in
the eighties and nineties two thousands, karaoke was more of
like a show, and so they would hire singers to
like put on a show sing and then someone some
drunk I would come on and he would sing his
song and then and then they'd be like, that was Dave,
(05:04):
and then they would sing their song right. And they
would like sing at bars, and they sing at restaurants,
and they'd host these shows and they were like Karaoke
magazine and that they were in and like all this stuff.
And they would also do singing competitions, and that's how
they'd make most of their money, is they would do
singing competitions in place first and second, or they would
be a duet and just place first and get double
the money.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
That's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that's how my my parents supported us. My mom
had like five different jobs at like all these different bars,
singing and singing yeah and stuff. And then I remember
when the shift happened to like just a twenty year
old on a laptop clicking play like that's what karaoke
shifted to, and they mom lost all her jobs and
it was really really really hard. But oh so yeah,
(05:45):
so creative, creative family. Never pressure to like, yeah, pursue
something practical, never pressure to go to college. I didn't
go to college. My parents didn't go to college.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I went to school with like so many kids who
wanted to pursue this and and didn't have that like
parental support, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And you recognize that you could see that that was
happening and how you had a gift and that your
parents were.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Very supportive, yeah behind you.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, it was. It was a real privilege.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That's cool. kJ. How does that? What is it?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
kJ?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is that just kerayoke jockey? That's what I was called.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I do not know of this, and it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, I'm realizing a lot of people don't.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And the karaoke jockey, you know, I but it's a
brilliant idea because you get to you're kind of hosting
the event. You sing some songs and stuff, and then
you invite people to come and join you and you know,
maybe sing along with you or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But you're like and they would hire great singers too
to host the shows and like, so all my parents'
friends were like these incredible singers and and it was
like a real like local I well, I grew up
in Anaheim, my parents, so mostly they mostly did this
before I was born and like in the first like
two years of my lifecause they divorced when I was
(06:57):
like two, but they also separately like still like hosted
shows and saying in bars and stuff like that. I
grew up in Anaheim, Orange County, and then whenever I
would like visit my dad, it was in the valley
like Woodland.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Hills, Okay, Anaheim.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So you did you get into the Disney World thing
down there, Disneyland where.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You That costs some money?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I was thinking, I don't know, it was something.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I just you know, I don't look like any of
the Disney princesses.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't know if you not yet, I never know,
never know. That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So you you sing obviously, but do you do you
have played a musician of a musical instrument or do you?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I mean not well so much.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I played piano for some time and I play
and I know a little bit of guitar, but I
like lost all my piano.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I don't practice. You gotta practice, yeah, exactly. Brothers and sisters.
Did you have eight brothers and okay, only eight? Okay,
so that's.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Uh, you have you have a band there, I know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I mean I think that's what my dad wanted when
he had all of us. But there was like so
many instances of us driving around in the car like
all sing yeah together and trying to harmonize together, which
are like some of my favorite memories.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
That was beautiful station wagon going around. Yeah that's my life. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I have two younger brothers, and it was whenever we'd
go on We never went on vacation. We basically went
to visit our grandparents and it was in the station wagon.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But we weren't singing in the station we could have.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
We were all well, I don't know, I think we
were just miserable the back of a station wagon. I mean,
come on, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Was it just silent in the car?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Then? Well it was a lot of bickering and yelling
and screaming that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, we had that too. We had a lot of
that too.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You mentioned Shakespeare earlier.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Have you done Shakespeare in the park because it's something
that you know, I would love to do Shakespeare in
the park.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I would love to do any sort of Shakespeare. The
oly Shakespeare I've done besides like learning mologues in my room,
high school plays, or like high school Shakespeare in high school,
or just yeah, Shakespeare high school, like Nola in high school?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Holy smokes? What high school did you go to? That's credit?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I went to performing arts school?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That makes sense. Yeah, okay, that's good. Was that here
in California?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Did you go?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It was an Orange County It's Orange County School of
the Arts.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Oh cool?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Did Love's Labors Lost? Which is Shakespeare's ye worst play?
I always thought King John was sort of Pericles. Maybe
I don't know, but King John tough, really tough. But like,
it's still my dream to be I want to be
Hamlet so bad.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I was in Hamlet and my son I played Bump
Ump Bump Claudius five years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Now that's incredible time he was young. I watched it recently.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I watched it because my son they're studying Hamlet in school,
So he's in high school here in la and Hamlet
was on the English curriculum, and so I went in
actually and we picked a one scene actually see three
and I knew, you know, it's it's high school, high
school Shakespeare, and kids are going to be like I said, Okay,
we're all actors now, and we're coming into this scene,
(09:44):
and I want you to approach it as if you're
an actor, and let's start pulling apart the verse and
see if we can figure out how we feel any
given moment. So I tried to make it come alive.
I mean, I think it was moderately successful, but I
was trying to put them in the place, in the
mental state where Hamlet was at that time.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Where the other where the where Claudius was at.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That time, what was going on, and had Tom think
about their lives and go like when is this? When
have you been like this? What have you felt like this?
And I think it helped a little bit try to
make it come alive.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Have you taught acting before?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
No? No, I haven't. Why not because it's too hard.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
No, I mean, you just nailed it, right. I know.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I feel like I would be so worried about leading
someone the wrong the wrong way, right, I'd say the
wrong thing, and you know how sensitive we are, you know,
the wrong word.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That's why I don't ever want to be a parent,
because I'm afraid of leading my child down the.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Wrong Well, believe me, you do as a parent. But
then they are also good things on the other side.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So I well then apply to that to teaching.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yes, that would be good. I mean I think, I
really do think I would enjoy it. The opportunity hasn't
come up yet. I said it was like teaching Shakespeare
or a podcasting. Teaching Shakespeare or podcasting, okay, because I
really do feel, you know, part of the motivation here
in talking with you, talking about your creative your creative process,
your journey is interesting to me. But I think going
back to the Hamlet of You, I think that's a
(11:07):
that's a brilliant I mean, even just taking that one
scene that we did, the complexity of what he's going
through and.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yet the same time it's very simple. You know, It's
like he's looking for any excuse, you know what I mean.
It's like and the choice is, what's your feeling about him?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You have you have you given something about Claudius, No
about Hamlet?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
About oh about Hamlet. Well, I wanted to play him
before I got too old, because I have noticed that
there's a lot of forty year old's twenty year olds
play Hamlet, And I do think that what I love
about Shakespeare, I understand that they didn't live as long
back then, and so there's a lot of like modern
(11:47):
perception on like Shakespeare's time that like, oh, you know,
Romeo and Juliett were thirteen years old, but at that time,
like that's more like twenty six. No, it's not. No,
it's not you live only thirteen years Like sure you
as speaking an an el equated way, but like that's
you still have like thirteen year old feelings, you know,
(12:09):
Like and Romeo and Julia act like thirteen year olds,
like them being obsessed with each other so early on, yeah,
like to the point of like wanting to kill Yeah,
he's a very thirteen year old.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Constitution I agree, and same with Hamlet. You know, we
track him over like he's from age nineteen to I
think he's like gets to his thirties or whatever, he
does act like a nineteen year old and he's like yeah,
grarandetty my mom, and you like, it's just like so
I just feel like that's a big part of it
is his youth, and so like I really wanted to
(12:42):
like play it before I got I turned thirty, but yeah,
you're thirty too late.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But I think he's just he was growing so sheltered,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's what I think, just as protected and as a student,
you know, who's you know, I always thinking that as
like bookish, you know what I mean, not interacting with
the outside world. He had a domineering father, you know,
father was very powerful, his mother was they were off
doing the other thing.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
He was left to his own devices. He was just
kind of a nerd, you.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Know, running around at school, not really engaging with the
world at large. And so suddenly when the ghost comes back,
his father, who is like you know, he's like the god, right, He's.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Like done everything. He's powerful. Man. This powerful person comes
back and says, you have to avenge me. How's that
going to work? You know?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You talk about really I know, I just feel like
he's just not capable, honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, because he's a child.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Because he's a child, and he's still even even if
he's an older child, he's still a child.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I just feel like there's like a distinction. Like I
just saw Denzel's Othello, and like when Shakespeare writes, like,
you know, Othella is a really tragic character as well,
very mature, very put together, very self assured, you know,
even though he's like driven to madness by Yaga. But
the way he's driven to madness is it does it's
not youthful. It takes a lot of effort on Iago's
(14:01):
part to really like put up this plot to like
make a fellow go crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I follow him to serve Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've always
sad about Yago.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But I just watching that, reading that and and just
seeing like how Shakespeare crafts his characters. I'm just like
it's very apparent when you compare a fellow to like Hamlet,
that like Hamlet, yes, obviously he has his upbringing, his
shelters upbringing, but he does act more like a child,
even though they're both tragic characters. He acts more like
a child than a fellow does. Or like Rome and Shakespeare.
(14:30):
I think is great at writing characters of different ages,
you know, and I think that that gets lost a
lot because people just get wrapped up in Oh, it's
old timey speak, you know, it's antiquated language, and it's
like no, not really, not part exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Examine how they speak and the words. Everything about it
is very.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And it's surprisingly modern too, like the way the characters
interact with each other. I auditioned for a like a
different production of Othello and DC and for Cat Yeah,
and like he's like interacting with Bianca. There's like this
scene where she's like, you don't come around anymore, essentially,
like I'm like putting it in modern language, but you
(15:10):
don't come around anymore. And I guess we're just friends
and he's like baby, like I don't want my boss
to see you, like go away.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's just like it's really funny to see that, like,
you know, and it's in poetic language, but it's just
really funny to see how like, you know, even back
then we had the same dynamics amongst.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Each other, you know, which is very similar to the
film Now you see Me, Now you don't.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I thought, you know, talk to me about that a
little bit that looked did you have you done much magic?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Did you go?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Did you study? Did you go to the Magic Castle?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I study for a month at the Magic Castle, my
first time going.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Isn't it amazing? Isn't it was?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So it was really cool because we had a whole
tour of the castle and like all these the architecture
of that castle is incredible, like it's it's.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I'm trying to I don't know where I am. Yeah. Yeah,
it was built with a with a idea that we're
going to confuse you.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, but it was cool because I had never been,
and so like I was seeing it for the first time,
like the carton literally drawn, you know, and like seeing
behind the scenes and like uh, and we had these
two coaches, Ben Sideman and Handsome Jack and you know,
he was born with Handsome Jet and we just did
(16:17):
a lot of training. And it was before the script
was finalized, so I learned a lot of cardis stream
card tricks, and then we got the final draft and
I wasn't doing any card tricks in the movie. So
now I know how to do all this stuff that
I don't need to know how to do when that happened.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It works so hard on something and then like they
take it away.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I know it sucks.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You're enfranchised movies is what you do? I know, Jurassic Pokemon,
this one. Is there one that you dungeons?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Kind of. I mean if we get another film, yeah, Pokemon,
If we get another film, yeah yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Is there is the top? Is there word?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What's the what's the for Pokemon? I don't think they're
doing another one. They they I remember hearing the Great
Plane that they were going to do another one, but
not with me, with other people, maybe with Ryan again, okay,
and I think they were going to market market it
to younger people. Okay, you saw the Pokemon movie. Yes,
it's a I think it's great. It's funny, it's really funny,
(17:11):
but the demo like watching it, you're kind of like,
who is this form because it's kind of it's kind
of dark a little it's a little dark, like too
dark for kids.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Because sometimes in those situations, you know, you can make
the movie will be can play the kids great, but
then it also the adults.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Get that's what we were trying to do.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So it's like fraction fairy tales or something like that yeah, yeah, okay,
where they can do both.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I have to talk to people who like who were
kids when it came out and like who grew up
with it and see if it traumatized them or not.
But there's like there's some moments that are scary, like
for me, like the moment with the apalm with the monkeys.
Did you start.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Playing because of the film or well?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I played beforehand. No, I didn't play cards. I know
they Pokemon go yeah yeah, no, no, sorry, I played
the the I played Pokemon gold and on no on
game with color, but I also did play on DS.
I also collected Pokemon cards, but I didn't know how
to play the game, right, I just know I just
collected them, like the cards. Yeah, and I still have them.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah. My son has got a ton.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
He got everything that was from his cousins, got sent
in a big chest like I think it was actually
a Pokemon chest.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
He opened up piles of Pokemon cards, the.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Ideas you have to go through and you have to
find the you know, the great cards, special ones, and
so he was into it for a little while.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Which generation is like all the newer ones or genera generation?
Oh yeah, so it was Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Something, so we that's sitting in his bedroom.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He should sell those.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I know, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I'm holding onto mine, I feel like because every year,
like I think, it fluctuates on how valuable they are.
So I'm really holding onto mine like some sort of
and I'm the one who has them left, and.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Like he's the only one, only one left. Just this
has it.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The other tricks you were talking about at the Magic
Castle is the one that you were like, you got
really good at it, one that you liked when you
thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because I shot this movie a year ago and I
have not been practicing so for a year.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But you remember, I remember I shut the doors how
many years ago? And I can still remember some of
the lines.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
They look at that. That was a horrible shuffle. I mean
I didn't really keep up with it, and I was like, oh,
I should keep up with it. See look I can't.
And also these this is not fair. You're making me
look bad because these cards are stiff. But Dominic CSSA
who's also in our movie, he kept up with it
because he's a nerd. I'm really jealous of that. But
like I knew a bunch of I knew so many things,
and like it's one of those Yeah, I should have
(19:43):
I should have revisited it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's no, it's all good, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Okay, but this is the thing I I okay, I
can't remember. Let's see if you could still do it. Oh,
I think I know, Okay, you know what this. I
think this is, but I don't know if I know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That was amazing. I'm not what I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So happy that worked out.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh my gosh, I will never be able to do
that again.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
If the cards had gone up in the air and
scattered everywhere would have been equally as impressive.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So they showed you, they walked you through all the
all the Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
One was really hard to learn. But yeah, it was
just a bunch of like stuff like cartistry stuff and
like he just did a fan of the whole deck
and then and then card tricks that are like honestly
long and boring.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I don't all wrap the attention. We're like and you're
like that it's boring. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Madition is this is gonna sound so stupid. It's similar
to being an athlete. You have to strengthen your hands
a lot, and you have to practice practice, practice, and
it's a lot of like remembering exactly like your hand positions,
and like.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Even now, just as you're like cutting the card and
slipping down, it's like you can see that.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's like, look at that.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
See it's the magic card to just drop to the floor. Yeah, no,
but it's a training. It's a King of Spades.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Remember that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But it's We're going to come back to that at
the end of the as I throw my six cards
that I have here all the floor. Are the magicians
of the Magic Castle so weary of actors coming in?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Or are they cool and down?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
They were pretty cool and down. I don't think these
specific ones had trained many actors. Yeah, I know, Handsome
Jack had taught at a college. He taught like magic
classes out of college.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's did everyone take take just you?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No, no, everyone did.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And that's where I met the other two newbies in
the cast, Mariana and Dominic.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I met them in magic school and we would we
had a group chat or we would talk ship.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You had to go to magic school. Yeah, magic school? Sorry,
did you get along with Woodio?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oh what is the best?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Wait? So you know. Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I know what? We did a.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Two hand or in London new play called on an
Average Day at the pantom Theater in London in West End.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Wow, he was in fourth grade at the time.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You were in fourth grade. Yeah, I don't feel old.
At the fourth grade, you knew what you wanted to do.
You could have caught I did. I could have you
could have been on stage.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I would have to get on a plane.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah. Great guy. But I love I love him so much.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
He's the best I was.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think he was the person that was the most
intimidated to me. I didn't know how he was.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, he's done some amazing work and you don't know
how much you're going to get.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, I've worked with you know, veteran actors icons that
you know. How do I put this as a young actor,
and I'm sure you've experienced this too, being a young actor.
There's a level of dues you have to pay when
working with more established actors right where, And I take
it as a fun challenge. Like I did a play
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with this older established actress who's phenomenal, and you know
there are things where she's like, don't stand in my
light and like you know, and like I respect that
or like you're when you say that line, you're yelling
in my ear, I'm like I heard it, I got you,
And I take it as like a cool like let
me figure out who this character is, what I want
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to do with it, and also hear like my boundaries
like also with like the notes from this older actor,
And so I've learned how to kind of adjust that
space to give still a dynamic performance with like these
new you know, with this obstacle of.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Like, yeah, expectations.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, you know, so I didn't know what he was
gonna be like. But he's so giving, he's so collaborative.
He's really playful yeah, and youthful.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, he loves he loves to sort of crack you up.
And yeah, he's always a twinkle in his eye.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, And I really I that's my philosophy towards acting too.
It is such a ridiculous job. It is play at
the end of the day. It's play and pretend. Yeah,
and if you don't evoked that kind of youthful spirit,
that childlike spirit, it's it's what the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah? It can be pretty tedious.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think the on set environment, I'm at my best.
I think when there is an openness and hey, let's
go in this direction. It's one of the things I
like working with Ethan Hawk. We've done a few things together,
but many, many, many actors I've worked with that are
like that, that are like, hey, let's just take it.
Julian Moore, you work with Julian Moore, I mean, she's
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she's the epitome of that. Yeah, I mean, and I've
done a couple of things with her where it's you
don't know really where you're gonna go. You know, you
know your stuff. I know my stuff, and let's get
in the sandbox and see where it takes us.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, let's play together, let's create something together. Yeah, and
let's experiment. I mean, because yeah, I've also worked with
like tortured artists, and I can at times I can
be a tortured artist, but never on set, Like I
feel like that's the one place where you have to
let it go, like, yeah, jump off the cliff and
trust your scene partner and throw a paint at the
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wall and see what sticks.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, and so yeah, I just felt like Woody, Yeah,
he just he leads with that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, that's what I love him. Yeah, I love him too.
I had the same experience working with Julian. I thought
she was good.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Jesse.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I've never worked with Jesse, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He's great, great Juess. He's a ball of anxiety, but
the most the most endearing way.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Ay.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, I love that description because I think, yeah, I mean,
I don't know personally, but it's that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, I think he probably he is. I mean he
talks about it. He had this one like video I
can't remember what it was or who it was for,
where he talks about his anxiety was his superpower. And
I didn't watch the whole thing, so I don't I
can't really Why what's your superpower?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Do you think you have a superpower?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I mean I just had dinner with my friend yesterday
and he told me that my superpower is my vulnerability,
that my my pursuit of truth. So I'm I'm running
with that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, we're going to I mean, you're like I do.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I am in a season right now specifically where I
am trying to prioritize authenticity and truth and not like
objective truth, but like subjective truth, like emotional truth. So
just kind of cut away the bullshit and be real.
And that's really hard to do in this career, especially
when you do press, because people are only getting a
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bite version of you and they're not getting the full picture.
I just try to take every moment and try to find, like,
what's the most honest version of myself I can be? Yeah, yeah,
with varying degrees of success.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, No, I mean it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I think that's the struggle, that's the goal ultimately, and
that really is the reason.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Particularly in front of the camera. I mean in front
of the camera, that's essential, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I find it easier there. It's safe, it's safe, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Not you, it's character, you know, and it is expected, encouraged,
you know, it's almost demanded that that's where you're celebrated to.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Live and celebrated.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So when you have that environment, we talked about it
earlier about someone else's ready to jump off the cliff
with you, to go into the sandbox, to jump in
the whatever it is, that is.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
The most that's I think why we do it. At
the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
There's so many things that lead up to those moments.
I remember working to work with David Lynch on a
couple of different things, really really proud of those things.
And David created that environment on set in front of
the camera every day.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It was joy. It was pure joy.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That is so cool.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It was magical in his own special David Way and
other directors that I've worked with had the same thing,
and you have had this experience as well. And when
you don't have that experience in some situations, it's really painful.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, you know WHOA, I just had deja vu. I
just had DejaVu that I was sitting here and that
you were saying that exact thing to me. That's really weird.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
We're gonna have to look at the camera. Do we
see anything? Is there something occurred? Maybe maybe there was something.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is weird, okay anyways, Yeah, yeah, it's it can
be really painful. And I've noticed also in my career
that I don't want to say more often than not,
but more than I would like, I find myself not
feeling the way I would like to be. I would
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like to feel not achieving the thing that I set
out to do as an actor, not.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
In the scene, in the moment, in the like the
the reason I got into it as a kid, right,
you know, like honoring my inner child's reasoning for getting
into this, I find that I I'm not I'm not
I'm not always successful.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Hit the battle of the mind over.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
The It's it's adjusting to the structure of the industry,
the business of it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
You know, Like I come on as an artist, and
I really want to be an artist, and I want
to create, and I want to explore, and I want
to get I want to be loose, and and then
I'm kind of confronted with a bunch of obstacles that
are like you know, like say a director who doesn't
really know how to talk to actors, you know, or
it's like a very technical scene, or it's I have
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to perform a character in a way because it's going
to be more digestible for the audience and it's going
to reach it's gonna be reach a larger or whatever.
Or a scene has to like be stripped of its
nuance because it has to be more digestible, or you know,
just just those things kind of like make me lose
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sight of like who I am, who I'm trying to
be as an artist and I and it makes me
very and that. I mean, it's it's painful. Am I
making any sense?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, I know, I get it. I do, Okay, I do,
I do understand.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I'm I think I'm intentionally trying to be vague as
to not Well.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It's also, you know, I mean, every experience is going
to be different, obviously, you know. And yeahther it's theater
situation or or a film or television or whatever it is.
And when you've had experiences as you have had that
that are magic, you know, that are very special.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
As I have had that, whenever anything is.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Not that, you're like damn, You're like damn, you know, yeah,
why can't it always be like that?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And it just can't.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It's you know, it's just but the hard part is
that you have to bring that energy onto set yourself,
like you have to kind of create that magic. You
have to like make space for your own process and
for your own freedom. And I hate that. I really
wish that just every director I work with, every set
I'm on to create that environment for me because I'm
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really trusting, like I want to be trusting.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
This kind of leads me into a little bit of
I saw the TV glow and I got to imagine.
That experience was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That experience was intense. Yeah, that script is incredible. Yeah,
once in a lifetime project. And when I first read it,
I was like, I don't know what the fuck I
just read. Yeah, and I have to do this because
I don't understand I.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Had those experiences as well.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, because it resonated with me emotionally. I didn't it
didn't resonate with me logically, but like I felt it,
and yeah, that's really good writing. Yea. And when I
met with Jane, they you know, explained it to me
and it all made sense. And I remember in that meeting,
I was like trying to.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
How did they explain it to you? Because it's very complicated.
I'm so curious.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Well, there's this, like you know, obviously there's this allegory
for transness, and Jane is trans and that allegory was
very clear to me. It was actually what was less
clear to me was the like literal structure of the movie,
like understanding I mean, this is a spoiler for anybody
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who hasn't seen it, but just like understanding how much
of the girl who's buried I am? How much of
you know, tracking I play this character from like age
fifteen to like I think thirty four or something like that,
you know, tracking his age, tracking his like he's like asthma.
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He also like breaks the fourth wall and talks to
the camera, which is a different version of him. So
there's like all these different it's very absurdist, it's instrumental,
and just getting specific about all those things that was
what I needed clarity on.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Because if having had the experiences of working with Lynch,
there were so many things that I read and I'm
just like, I don't know what this is. I know
it feels interesting and right, and it's going to be
a weird journey. And I'm just like, and I just say,
you know what, because I would ask David all that,
I would pepper him with questions when we first started working,
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and he doesn't like to answer questions and he.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Doesn't feel compelled to tell me stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
So I just had to go, you know what, I'm
gonna just make it my own and I'm going to
believe it's this thing and then just go. But I
also feel like your experience was one where to understand
the journey of the character, you had.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
To understand what was happening more. Yeah, it sounds like
James able to.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yes, to communicate that yeah, to play the present moment,
to not play the metal right, because that wasn't my job.
That Jane was responsible for the metaphor. I just had
to play the truth of the circumstance, you know, the
truth of the scene. But I do think that I
it was a little bit easier to grasp because of
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Lynch's work because I could picture this. I had reference
for what this kind of script was, this kind of
movie was going to be. So I mean, I I
assume it was way harder for you because.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
There was no there was no reference. There was a
razerhead and that was that was my point of reference. Okay,
I'm not going to really get everything, but let's go
you know. Yeah, so you know, but you make a
good point about just playing the moment, the scene, the
reality what you're going through in any given moment, and
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if you don't really know, then you're like, I'm gonna
just trust ride my feeling and then David, will you know,
nudge here or.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That's the main thing that tvglow taught me because I
can be a little a little bit of a control
freak at times, like the first movie I ever did.
I did every take the exact same way because I
was like, I don't this is how I want the
performance to go. And I learned that that's not sustainable,
and I learned that directors hate that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And it's no fun, no fun.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I was just so nervous of being a bad actor,
you know. So I was like, if I can just craft,
like I have full control over what this performance is,
maybe I'll be good. I luckily grew out of that,
but doing TV Glow was like the real nail in
the coffin of learning how to let go and trust
the director because it was surprisingly technical. Jane is a
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visionary in a lot of ways, has a very clear
idea of how they want the movie to look. And
I've been on lots of you know, franchise, blockbuster, green
screen kind of films, and I understand the nature of
like hitting a mark and blocking a certain way in
order because it's going to be edited in visual effects
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and all that good stuff. So I was fortunate to
be able to meet Jane on that technical aspect. But
it's such a character piece, like it's it's, it's It
was a really hard balance of like not having as
much looseness as I would like in exploring a character,
but also being okay with that right, being like, just
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do what I can and trust that there's a reason
I have to hit this mark and turn my head
like this, because Jane knows what they're doing and this
is such a specific script, like I have to let
them make their vision.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's such a pleasure to work with a director who
has that kind of specificity. I want to ask you
a little bit about your social Okay, and Mustard, you know,
what do you know?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Musty?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Did you find that we have a.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Research I like, you're private, No one else knows. I
just wanted to tell them, tell us who is who
is Mustard?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, I can tell a little because I'm I'm also
curious too. I've got the car, but I don't necessarily know,
so I'm you know nothing of No, I'm just asking,
don't look it up.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I'm curious. I don't watch any of it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Please.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Is it an alter ego?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
No? No, it's just me being ridiculous, and I love it.
It's all my unfiltered thoughts. And Instagram has become overly
manicured for me. I mean, Instagram used to be a
lot more fun before I had followers, and now.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
That I have followers, it's like right now, it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Used to just be like me and my friends and
like just posting what I ate, and like now it's
just like everything's got to be an ad and everything's
got to be a thing and everything and so like
that's like the family friendly social media. My TikTok is
for the weirdos and it's me. Yeah, it's just me
being an And I don't promote it because I just want.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I think it's a great reveal, you know what I mean,
And I applaud you for letting that go. You know,
I think it's one of the things in this process
of this podcast, as I'm learning and I'm talking to
people different generation than me. You know, my generation, there
was no way you would expose things certain things, right
because you just it might impact you in ways and
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expectations and.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Blah blah blah ah that stuff that you talked about.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
But I feel like people coming up now there is
kind of a Okay, it's a side of me, and
as a there's like a it's authentic first of all,
and it's who you are, and there's feels to me
like there's a greater acceptance of that, or at least
an understanding or hey, that's cool, that's a really.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I don't know if that's am I. I don't know
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Getting very pure perspective on it. Yeah, I think that's
a very unjaded you think it's.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
That it's a hope, it's more of a hopeful perspective.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, I actually really admire that perspective. I feel like
I should adopt that. I do think that there maybe
in your time, there was more in your time, you know,
going back in time, there was more of a fixation
on like enigma and we don't know who that person is.
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We don't know who this actor really is, and we
only just get snapshots of them.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
And even that was that was my influence looking forward
right right to guys you know that were ahead of me,
actors that were ahead of me, And I was like,
who is Steve McQueen, you know, right, what is that about?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
You know? Or who?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Who?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Who was James Dean? You know?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Well they really you know, right, and you want to
know you know?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, and then you just like see a little rumor
in the tabloid that's like, oh and you can create
a whole picture about them. Now there's like an obligation
almost for transparency, like people want to kind of this
is like my problem was gritty culture in general, but
like people want everyone has to be an influencer essentially,
(39:06):
Like everyone is kind of being backed into a corner
to be an influencer and to like reveal every little
bit about themselves in order like to stay relevant. Yeah, yeah, sure,
there's almost like this obligation to like be revealing in
order to like get people to like you.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And like, so there's a pressure to do that, you feel.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, I hate social media? Yeah, yeah, I hate it
so much because I think I am a relatively private person.
Not when you talk to me one on one, I
pride myself on having no secrets, But when it comes
to like revealing myself to the masses, to the hungry wolves,
like that is just not something I think is natural.
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I don't think I should know what everyone thinks about
me all the time, good or bad. I think that's
very unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I wonder if there's a sorry and real but I
wonder if there is. I'm a big believer in the
pendulum theory. You know something, it'll swing out and they
will come right back again and go back out, you know,
just never ending right and right now, I think we
are in a period where we do know a lot
about people more maybe more than we should, you know.
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And I also wonder if there's a compulsion or on
people that are doing what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
They're like caught in the reveal. I got a reveal,
I gotta reveal.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And I wonder I don't know if if there'll be
a swing back the other way and it'll become much more.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I think there might be, maybe because I think social
media first started off of just people like actually being authentic,
just sharing their lives. It was like public diaries essentially,
and now it's social media shipped to a place of
like content creation, and everyone is starting to manicure like
I'm doing on Instagram. Everyone's starting to like manicure everything
they post, and everything the post has to be a drop,
and everything posts has to be is to break the Internet,
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and it has to get a bunch of likes and
get a bunch of views, and all the other competitiveness
comes in, yeah exactly, and or or like you know
has to be super funny and get like you know,
or outrageous or whatever. And I do think that people
are gonna get tired of that and and maybe it'll
slowly come back to like here's what I hate today, Yeah,
(41:16):
and or more authenticity, like I think, oh yeah, you
know what I mean. I actually think we're in the
mystery phase right now because everything is so manufactured.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
So okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Like even though people are like posting a lot, they're
not really revealing their true selves. They're just creating fighting
behind an image.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Image.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah. Yeah, But anyways, my TikTok is me trying to
just be stupid and silly and break that.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah pressure, I like stupid and silly. I just I
try to do as much of that as possible.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Please don't watch my TikTok.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
We are going to play a game that's gonna have
to do with magic. We're gonna take a break and
then we're gonna come back and we're gonna get into
the magic world.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Okay, is that all right?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That sounds good?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
All right, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
All right, we're back with justice. For those of you
who are not watching, We're we're sitting now. We have
top hats and we have magic bonds in our hands
and we are. We're gonna play a little game that
I designed just for Justice called It's Giving Magic, which
is an ode to your upcoming film. Now you see me,
now you don't. I'm gonna give you a description of
a real magic trick plus two possible names, and you'll
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have to tell me what is correct.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I'm gonna bomb this before we go. We're gonna do
our tick.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Ready, abracadabra am, what's the end of that. We'll play
this game and it'll be great, great and wow, wow,
that's a little lose, so much for the right.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
That's right, there's store bot. They're only dollars. Okay, are
you ready for magic? Okay, here we go. Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
This is an illusion where a magician drops three different
colored sands in a bowl of water, takes them out
with each color separated. Is it Grains of the Amazon
or sands of the Nile? Oh?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Wow, those are so close. I really thought I was
gonna get it off.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Of Grains of the Amazon or Sands of the Nile.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Knowing what I know about the names of tricks and
how stupid they can be, sometimes, I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Sands and the Yes, you are well gone, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I knew he was gonna go with that one.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
People don't fall for magic because they're stupid. People fall
from magic because it's stupid. That is what Handsome Jack
taught me. There it is, there, it is the magic community.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Don't come for me from the mouth of handsome Jack.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
All right, I'm gonna get this next one.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, yes, perfect, Okay. This is a trick where a
card magically appears.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
At the top of the deck.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, you did a lot of card tricks, you might
notice the card magically appears at the top of the
deck after being placed randomly in the middle. Okay, is
it aggressive card or ambitious card? This is really difficult,
by the way, it's ambitious or well done?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
That one?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think I've heard that one. You knew because that
one we learned. I don't remember how to do it,
but we did learn that.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
That's pretty good. See.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I wouldn't have I would have I would have think
aggressive because the card. But ambitious card? Yes, okay, well done.
Two for two Number three Magician produces a coin from
the air and drops it into a bucket below. Miser's
dream or mclachlin's dream. Don't overthink don't overthink it, are
(44:47):
you sure?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You were correct?
Speaker 3 (44:49):
What would be the odds that would be McLachlan's dream?
You know it would have been amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I know I would have related to any magicians, I
don't think so have you done your twenty three meters?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I have not, So who knows who I could be
related to? When it's frightening? Okay, so here we go again.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Number four penetration illusion, where the assistant is placed in
a box and appears to be impaled with spikes on
the door. Ok maya Lucifer's Punishment palace?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Did you come up with that?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Lucifer's Punishment Palace or Devil's Torture Chamber?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I think it's Devil's I think you're correct.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yay. I gave it away when I said did you?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I mean also you admitted that you came up.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Okay, last one for all, for the magic wand to
take this magic one home, This magic one can be
yours if the restoration illusion where the assistant appears to
be cut in four. These are very MACONI yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
As tech lady or mayan lady.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Okay, yes, the wand I.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Can't think I did you rite this justice.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
You don't understand, guy, I'm very competitive when it comes in.
I really like to win.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah. See I knew that I wanted you to win,
so you got me.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Oh my god, it was so nice to have you here.
Thank you. Hey, listen, what's what's what's next?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What's happening? What can we promote?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Nice? You mean I do? It comes out November fourteenth, Okay,
and then that's it.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Okay, Well man, that's all the time we have today.
I don't know if we answered the question what are
we even doing?
Speaker 1 (46:36):
But we tried. We tried so seriously.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Was that the question we're supposed to be answered? I
guess so, but I never really asked it. So anyway,
what are we even doing? It's a pleasure to have
you on.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Thanks, thank you for.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
What Are We Even Doing is a production of iHeartMedia
and the Elvis Duran Podcast Network, hosted by me Kyle
McLaughlin and created and reduced by Full Picture Productions Yay,
featuring music by Yata and artwork by Danica Robinson. For
more information about the podcast, please visit our Instagram and
(47:10):
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or anywhere you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Exclamation points
What don't we even do? What don't we even do?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Get along with few? Granted I did, Oh I love you? Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So I just talked to Rosamond Pike about this on
the set of What I'm Here to Promote, because when
I worked with him, I was like, Hugh, you know,
do you still love what you do? Do you still
love this? And He's just like, no, he said, I've
never loved it. He's like, I just wanted to be
famous and make a lot of money. And I said really,
he said, yeah, he is so funny. And he's like,
(00:38):
I've always hated the acting part of it. And I
was like, oh, but he said it was such sincerity.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, here's the thing about him. I think I got
a vibe about that. You might have a feeling about
that too. I've known Hugh for a long time and
he has the same spiel that he does. I think
the thing about that is so challenging for him is
that he's such a perfectionist and he takes.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It so serious.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I did notice that, and and so it is it's
like everything he wants it to be perfect. You know,
he's got I think control issues. But I feel like
it's the torture of that experience as opposed to kind
of letting it all go and just you know, doing
what he does.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But I gotta believe that he finds joy in it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I would hope that he was joking, but I also
that British humor is so dry and like sometimes hard
to permeate. That I don't know because he was so sincere.
But then I watch him like he puts a lot
of like he does the work, like he puts a
lot of effort into what he does, you know. And
we were working on a silly comedy together, you know,
(01:41):
and he just you could tell he really cares about it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, No, I think that's that's his And he said
a good actor, he'll make you believe that he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, because Rosmond also said She's like, no, I'm pretty
sure he's just British. I don't think. I'm like, are
you sure? Because it's stuck with me. I was like, oh,
I guess you couldn't be a real good actor and
just want to like just do it for the fame
and money, fame and money.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I was like, okay, no, no, no, we're going to
start out. We're we're already started. I'm Kyle McLachlin. What
are We even do?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I'm the host of this crazy podcast What Are We
Even Doing? Where we sit down with actors, musicians, creatives
of all type and we talk about their creative process,
what moves them, how they use social media. It's a
place where we can get weird but in a good way.
And today we have a very special guest. I'm very
excited to speak with you. You've done some movies that
(02:33):
I really love. The Dungeons and Dragons, Pokemon Detective Speak
atch you. I'm a closet Pokemon player.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We'll get into that later.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Really, Jurassic World, Lego, Efficient Audo, We're going to talk
about legos as well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Some might call you the Beyonce of the Renaissance.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Fair call me that. That's really funny.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Justice Smith is with us. That's so fun I'm happy here.
Thanks for green to come on.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm so happy to be Justice Smith. I gotta say
when I first I said, this is a sheriff.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
This is a sheriff that it keeps his town absolutely
under control.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah. I feel like I should have been in the
legal system some like somewhere I should have pursued that career.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's not too late, it's not too late. I'm so
glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I always start by asking our guests. It was there
a moment of time, feeling that you had something that
sort of triggered in you, kind of like, hey, this
is I think, this is what I should do. This
is where I'm supposed to go. You know, this creative
spark is sending me on my way that you listen to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You know, listen. Yeah, But it was from like I
always say, I came out of the womb, quoting Shakespeare,
like I just always had an affinity for it. Yeah,
Which I was really fortunate at a really young age
to know exactly what I wanted to do with my
life because there wasn't anything that was going to stop me.
You know. I didn't really have to take the time
(03:57):
and figure out what my purpose was what I You
didn't question, no, I just like at a young age,
I mean, it was just like, oh, I want to
play pretend, you know, yeah, because that's my childlike perception
of what acting is. It's what we did pretend, you know.
And then as I got older, like more of my
adolescents and I started to have feelings in existential dread.
(04:20):
I was like, which comes with I was like, Oh,
this is a space in which I can express all
my messy feelings that experienced real catharsis. And so it
became therapy for me. But as just as I aged,
it just became useful in new ways.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And parents were supportive. Were they in the arts?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yes, both my parents were singers and also kj's do
you know what that is? So at the time in
the eighties and nineties two thousands, karaoke was more of
like a show, and so they would hire singers to
like put on a show sing and then someone some
drunk I would come on and he would sing his
song and then and then they'd be like, that was Dave,
(05:04):
and then they would sing their song right. And they
would like sing at bars, and they sing at restaurants,
and they'd host these shows and they were like Karaoke
magazine and that they were in and like all this stuff.
And they would also do singing competitions, and that's how
they'd make most of their money, is they would do
singing competitions in place first and second, or they would
be a duet and just place first and get double
the money.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
That's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that's how my my parents supported us. My mom
had like five different jobs at like all these different bars,
singing and singing yeah and stuff. And then I remember
when the shift happened to like just a twenty year
old on a laptop clicking play like that's what karaoke
shifted to, and they mom lost all her jobs and
it was really really really hard. But oh so yeah,
(05:45):
so creative, creative family. Never pressure to like, yeah, pursue
something practical, never pressure to go to college. I didn't
go to college. My parents didn't go to college.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I went to school with like so many kids who
wanted to pursue this and and didn't have that like
parental support, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And you recognize that you could see that that was
happening and how you had a gift and that your
parents were.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Very supportive, yeah behind you.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, it was. It was a real privilege.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That's cool. kJ. How does that? What is it?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
kJ?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is that just kerayoke jockey? That's what I was called.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I do not know of this, and it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, I'm realizing a lot of people don't.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And the karaoke jockey, you know, I but it's a
brilliant idea because you get to you're kind of hosting
the event. You sing some songs and stuff, and then
you invite people to come and join you and you know,
maybe sing along with you or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But you're like and they would hire great singers too
to host the shows and like, so all my parents'
friends were like these incredible singers and and it was
like a real like local I well, I grew up
in Anaheim, my parents, so mostly they mostly did this
before I was born and like in the first like
two years of my lifecause they divorced when I was
(06:57):
like two, but they also separately like still like hosted
shows and saying in bars and stuff like that. I
grew up in Anaheim, Orange County, and then whenever I
would like visit my dad, it was in the valley
like Woodland.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Hills, Okay, Anaheim.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So you did you get into the Disney World thing
down there, Disneyland where.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You That costs some money?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I was thinking, I don't know, it was something.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I just you know, I don't look like any of
the Disney princesses.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't know if you not yet, I never know,
never know. That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So you you sing obviously, but do you do you
have played a musician of a musical instrument or do you?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I mean not well so much.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I played piano for some time and I play
and I know a little bit of guitar, but I
like lost all my piano.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I don't practice. You gotta practice, yeah, exactly. Brothers and sisters.
Did you have eight brothers and okay, only eight? Okay,
so that's.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Uh, you have you have a band there, I know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I mean I think that's what my dad wanted when
he had all of us. But there was like so
many instances of us driving around in the car like
all sing yeah together and trying to harmonize together, which
are like some of my favorite memories.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
That was beautiful station wagon going around. Yeah that's my life. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I have two younger brothers, and it was whenever we'd
go on We never went on vacation. We basically went
to visit our grandparents and it was in the station wagon.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But we weren't singing in the station we could have.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
We were all well, I don't know, I think we
were just miserable the back of a station wagon. I mean,
come on, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Was it just silent in the car?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Then? Well it was a lot of bickering and yelling
and screaming that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, we had that too. We had a lot of
that too.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You mentioned Shakespeare earlier.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Have you done Shakespeare in the park because it's something
that you know, I would love to do Shakespeare in
the park.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I would love to do any sort of Shakespeare. The
oly Shakespeare I've done besides like learning mologues in my room,
high school plays, or like high school Shakespeare in high school,
or just yeah, Shakespeare high school, like Nola in high school?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Holy smokes? What high school did you go to? That's credit?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I went to performing arts school?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That makes sense. Yeah, okay, that's good. Was that here
in California?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Did you go?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It was an Orange County It's Orange County School of
the Arts.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Oh cool?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Did Love's Labors Lost? Which is Shakespeare's ye worst play?
I always thought King John was sort of Pericles. Maybe
I don't know, but King John tough, really tough. But like,
it's still my dream to be I want to be
Hamlet so bad.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I was in Hamlet and my son I played Bump
Ump Bump Claudius five years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Now that's incredible time he was young. I watched it recently.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I watched it because my son they're studying Hamlet in school,
So he's in high school here in la and Hamlet
was on the English curriculum, and so I went in
actually and we picked a one scene actually see three
and I knew, you know, it's it's high school, high
school Shakespeare, and kids are going to be like I said, Okay,
we're all actors now, and we're coming into this scene,
(09:44):
and I want you to approach it as if you're
an actor, and let's start pulling apart the verse and
see if we can figure out how we feel any
given moment. So I tried to make it come alive.
I mean, I think it was moderately successful, but I
was trying to put them in the place, in the
mental state where Hamlet was at that time.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Where the other where the where Claudius was at.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That time, what was going on, and had Tom think
about their lives and go like when is this? When
have you been like this? What have you felt like this?
And I think it helped a little bit try to
make it come alive.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Have you taught acting before?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
No? No, I haven't. Why not because it's too hard.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
No, I mean, you just nailed it, right. I know.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I feel like I would be so worried about leading
someone the wrong the wrong way, right, I'd say the
wrong thing, and you know how sensitive we are, you know,
the wrong word.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That's why I don't ever want to be a parent,
because I'm afraid of leading my child down the.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Wrong Well, believe me, you do as a parent. But
then they are also good things on the other side.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So I well then apply to that to teaching.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yes, that would be good. I mean I think, I
really do think I would enjoy it. The opportunity hasn't
come up yet. I said it was like teaching Shakespeare
or a podcasting. Teaching Shakespeare or podcasting, okay, because I
really do feel, you know, part of the motivation here
in talking with you, talking about your creative your creative process,
your journey is interesting to me. But I think going
back to the Hamlet of You, I think that's a
(11:07):
that's a brilliant I mean, even just taking that one
scene that we did, the complexity of what he's going
through and.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yet the same time it's very simple. You know, It's
like he's looking for any excuse, you know what I mean.
It's like and the choice is, what's your feeling about him?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You have you have you given something about Claudius, No
about Hamlet?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
About oh about Hamlet. Well, I wanted to play him
before I got too old, because I have noticed that
there's a lot of forty year old's twenty year olds
play Hamlet, And I do think that what I love
about Shakespeare, I understand that they didn't live as long
back then, and so there's a lot of like modern
(11:47):
perception on like Shakespeare's time that like, oh, you know,
Romeo and Juliett were thirteen years old, but at that time,
like that's more like twenty six. No, it's not. No,
it's not you live only thirteen years Like sure you
as speaking an an el equated way, but like that's
you still have like thirteen year old feelings, you know,
(12:09):
Like and Romeo and Julia act like thirteen year olds,
like them being obsessed with each other so early on, yeah,
like to the point of like wanting to kill Yeah,
he's a very thirteen year old.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Constitution I agree, and same with Hamlet. You know, we
track him over like he's from age nineteen to I
think he's like gets to his thirties or whatever, he
does act like a nineteen year old and he's like yeah,
grarandetty my mom, and you like, it's just like so
I just feel like that's a big part of it
is his youth, and so like I really wanted to
(12:42):
like play it before I got I turned thirty, but yeah,
you're thirty too late.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But I think he's just he was growing so sheltered,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's what I think, just as protected and as a student,
you know, who's you know, I always thinking that as
like bookish, you know what I mean, not interacting with
the outside world. He had a domineering father, you know,
father was very powerful, his mother was they were off
doing the other thing.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
He was left to his own devices. He was just
kind of a nerd, you.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Know, running around at school, not really engaging with the
world at large. And so suddenly when the ghost comes back,
his father, who is like you know, he's like the god, right, He's.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Like done everything. He's powerful. Man. This powerful person comes
back and says, you have to avenge me. How's that
going to work? You know?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You talk about really I know, I just feel like
he's just not capable, honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, because he's a child.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Because he's a child, and he's still even even if
he's an older child, he's still a child.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I just feel like there's like a distinction. Like I
just saw Denzel's Othello, and like when Shakespeare writes, like,
you know, Othella is a really tragic character as well,
very mature, very put together, very self assured, you know,
even though he's like driven to madness by Yaga. But
the way he's driven to madness is it does it's
not youthful. It takes a lot of effort on Iago's
(14:01):
part to really like put up this plot to like
make a fellow go crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I follow him to serve Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've always
sad about Yago.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But I just watching that, reading that and and just
seeing like how Shakespeare crafts his characters. I'm just like
it's very apparent when you compare a fellow to like Hamlet,
that like Hamlet, yes, obviously he has his upbringing, his
shelters upbringing, but he does act more like a child,
even though they're both tragic characters. He acts more like
a child than a fellow does. Or like Rome and Shakespeare.
(14:30):
I think is great at writing characters of different ages,
you know, and I think that that gets lost a
lot because people just get wrapped up in Oh, it's
old timey speak, you know, it's antiquated language, and it's
like no, not really, not part exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Examine how they speak and the words. Everything about it
is very.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And it's surprisingly modern too, like the way the characters
interact with each other. I auditioned for a like a
different production of Othello and DC and for Cat Yeah,
and like he's like interacting with Bianca. There's like this
scene where she's like, you don't come around anymore, essentially,
like I'm like putting it in modern language, but you
(15:10):
don't come around anymore. And I guess we're just friends
and he's like baby, like I don't want my boss
to see you, like go away.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's just like it's really funny to see that, like,
you know, and it's in poetic language, but it's just
really funny to see how like, you know, even back
then we had the same dynamics amongst.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Each other, you know, which is very similar to the
film Now you see Me, Now you don't.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I thought, you know, talk to me about that a
little bit that looked did you have you done much magic?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Did you go?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Did you study? Did you go to the Magic Castle?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I study for a month at the Magic Castle, my
first time going.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Isn't it amazing? Isn't it was?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So it was really cool because we had a whole
tour of the castle and like all these the architecture
of that castle is incredible, like it's it's.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I'm trying to I don't know where I am. Yeah. Yeah,
it was built with a with a idea that we're
going to confuse you.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, but it was cool because I had never been,
and so like I was seeing it for the first time,
like the carton literally drawn, you know, and like seeing
behind the scenes and like uh, and we had these
two coaches, Ben Sideman and Handsome Jack and you know,
he was born with Handsome Jet and we just did
(16:17):
a lot of training. And it was before the script
was finalized, so I learned a lot of cardis stream
card tricks, and then we got the final draft and
I wasn't doing any card tricks in the movie. So
now I know how to do all this stuff that
I don't need to know how to do when that happened.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It works so hard on something and then like they
take it away.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I know it sucks.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You're enfranchised movies is what you do? I know, Jurassic Pokemon,
this one. Is there one that you dungeons?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Kind of. I mean if we get another film, yeah, Pokemon,
If we get another film, yeah yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Is there is the top? Is there word?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What's the what's the for Pokemon? I don't think they're
doing another one. They they I remember hearing the Great
Plane that they were going to do another one, but
not with me, with other people, maybe with Ryan again, okay,
and I think they were going to market market it
to younger people. Okay, you saw the Pokemon movie. Yes,
it's a I think it's great. It's funny, it's really funny,
(17:11):
but the demo like watching it, you're kind of like,
who is this form because it's kind of it's kind
of dark a little it's a little dark, like too
dark for kids.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Because sometimes in those situations, you know, you can make
the movie will be can play the kids great, but
then it also the adults.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Get that's what we were trying to do.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So it's like fraction fairy tales or something like that yeah, yeah, okay,
where they can do both.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I have to talk to people who like who were
kids when it came out and like who grew up
with it and see if it traumatized them or not.
But there's like there's some moments that are scary, like
for me, like the moment with the apalm with the monkeys.
Did you start.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Playing because of the film or well?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I played beforehand. No, I didn't play cards. I know
they Pokemon go yeah yeah, no, no, sorry, I played
the the I played Pokemon gold and on no on
game with color, but I also did play on DS.
I also collected Pokemon cards, but I didn't know how
to play the game, right, I just know I just
collected them, like the cards. Yeah, and I still have them.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah. My son has got a ton.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
He got everything that was from his cousins, got sent
in a big chest like I think it was actually
a Pokemon chest.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
He opened up piles of Pokemon cards, the.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Ideas you have to go through and you have to
find the you know, the great cards, special ones, and
so he was into it for a little while.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Which generation is like all the newer ones or genera generation?
Oh yeah, so it was Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Something, so we that's sitting in his bedroom.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He should sell those.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I know, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I'm holding onto mine, I feel like because every year,
like I think, it fluctuates on how valuable they are.
So I'm really holding onto mine like some sort of
and I'm the one who has them left, and.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Like he's the only one, only one left. Just this
has it.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The other tricks you were talking about at the Magic
Castle is the one that you were like, you got
really good at it, one that you liked when you
thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because I shot this movie a year ago and I
have not been practicing so for a year.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But you remember, I remember I shut the doors how
many years ago? And I can still remember some of
the lines.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
They look at that. That was a horrible shuffle. I mean
I didn't really keep up with it, and I was like, oh,
I should keep up with it. See look I can't.
And also these this is not fair. You're making me
look bad because these cards are stiff. But Dominic CSSA
who's also in our movie, he kept up with it
because he's a nerd. I'm really jealous of that. But
like I knew a bunch of I knew so many things,
and like it's one of those Yeah, I should have
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I should have revisited it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's no, it's all good, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Okay, but this is the thing I I okay, I
can't remember. Let's see if you could still do it. Oh,
I think I know, Okay, you know what this. I
think this is, but I don't know if I know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That was amazing. I'm not what I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So happy that worked out.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh my gosh, I will never be able to do
that again.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
If the cards had gone up in the air and
scattered everywhere would have been equally as impressive.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So they showed you, they walked you through all the
all the Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
One was really hard to learn. But yeah, it was
just a bunch of like stuff like cartistry stuff and
like he just did a fan of the whole deck
and then and then card tricks that are like honestly
long and boring.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I don't all wrap the attention. We're like and you're
like that it's boring. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Madition is this is gonna sound so stupid. It's similar
to being an athlete. You have to strengthen your hands
a lot, and you have to practice practice, practice, and
it's a lot of like remembering exactly like your hand positions,
and like.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Even now, just as you're like cutting the card and
slipping down, it's like you can see that.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's like, look at that.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
See it's the magic card to just drop to the floor. Yeah, no,
but it's a training. It's a King of Spades.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Remember that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But it's We're going to come back to that at
the end of the as I throw my six cards
that I have here all the floor. Are the magicians
of the Magic Castle so weary of actors coming in?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Or are they cool and down?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
They were pretty cool and down. I don't think these
specific ones had trained many actors. Yeah, I know, Handsome
Jack had taught at a college. He taught like magic
classes out of college.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's did everyone take take just you?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No, no, everyone did.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And that's where I met the other two newbies in
the cast, Mariana and Dominic.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I met them in magic school and we would we
had a group chat or we would talk ship.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You had to go to magic school. Yeah, magic school? Sorry,
did you get along with Woodio?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oh what is the best?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Wait? So you know. Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I know what? We did a.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Two hand or in London new play called on an
Average Day at the pantom Theater in London in West End.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Wow, he was in fourth grade at the time.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You were in fourth grade. Yeah, I don't feel old.
At the fourth grade, you knew what you wanted to do.
You could have caught I did. I could have you
could have been on stage.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I would have to get on a plane.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah. Great guy. But I love I love him so much.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
He's the best I was.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think he was the person that was the most
intimidated to me. I didn't know how he was.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, he's done some amazing work and you don't know
how much you're going to get.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, I've worked with you know, veteran actors icons that
you know. How do I put this as a young actor,
and I'm sure you've experienced this too, being a young actor.
There's a level of dues you have to pay when
working with more established actors right where, And I take
it as a fun challenge. Like I did a play
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with this older established actress who's phenomenal, and you know
there are things where she's like, don't stand in my
light and like you know, and like I respect that
or like you're when you say that line, you're yelling
in my ear, I'm like I heard it, I got you,
And I take it as like a cool like let
me figure out who this character is, what I want
(22:51):
to do with it, and also hear like my boundaries
like also with like the notes from this older actor,
And so I've learned how to kind of adjust that
space to give still a dynamic performance with like these
new you know, with this obstacle of.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Like, yeah, expectations.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, you know, so I didn't know what he was
gonna be like. But he's so giving, he's so collaborative.
He's really playful yeah, and youthful.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, he loves he loves to sort of crack you up.
And yeah, he's always a twinkle in his eye.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, And I really I that's my philosophy towards acting too.
It is such a ridiculous job. It is play at
the end of the day. It's play and pretend. Yeah,
and if you don't evoked that kind of youthful spirit,
that childlike spirit, it's it's what the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah? It can be pretty tedious.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think the on set environment, I'm at my best.
I think when there is an openness and hey, let's
go in this direction. It's one of the things I
like working with Ethan Hawk. We've done a few things together,
but many, many, many actors I've worked with that are
like that, that are like, hey, let's just take it.
Julian Moore, you work with Julian Moore, I mean, she's
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she's the epitome of that. Yeah, I mean, and I've
done a couple of things with her where it's you
don't know really where you're gonna go. You know, you
know your stuff. I know my stuff, and let's get
in the sandbox and see where it takes us.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, let's play together, let's create something together. Yeah, and
let's experiment. I mean, because yeah, I've also worked with
like tortured artists, and I can at times I can
be a tortured artist, but never on set, Like I
feel like that's the one place where you have to
let it go, like, yeah, jump off the cliff and
trust your scene partner and throw a paint at the
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wall and see what sticks.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, and so yeah, I just felt like Woody, Yeah,
he just he leads with that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, that's what I love him. Yeah, I love him too.
I had the same experience working with Julian. I thought
she was good.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Jesse.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I've never worked with Jesse, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He's great, great Juess. He's a ball of anxiety, but
the most the most endearing way.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Ay.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, I love that description because I think, yeah, I mean,
I don't know personally, but it's that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, I think he probably he is. I mean he
talks about it. He had this one like video I
can't remember what it was or who it was for,
where he talks about his anxiety was his superpower. And
I didn't watch the whole thing, so I don't I
can't really Why what's your superpower?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Do you think you have a superpower?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I mean I just had dinner with my friend yesterday
and he told me that my superpower is my vulnerability,
that my my pursuit of truth. So I'm I'm running
with that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, we're going to I mean, you're like I do.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I am in a season right now specifically where I
am trying to prioritize authenticity and truth and not like
objective truth, but like subjective truth, like emotional truth. So
just kind of cut away the bullshit and be real.
And that's really hard to do in this career, especially
when you do press, because people are only getting a
(25:59):
bite version of you and they're not getting the full picture.
I just try to take every moment and try to find, like,
what's the most honest version of myself I can be? Yeah, yeah,
with varying degrees of success.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, No, I mean it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I think that's the struggle, that's the goal ultimately, and
that really is the reason.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Particularly in front of the camera. I mean in front
of the camera, that's essential, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I find it easier there. It's safe, it's safe, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Not you, it's character, you know, and it is expected, encouraged,
you know, it's almost demanded that that's where you're celebrated to.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Live and celebrated.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So when you have that environment, we talked about it
earlier about someone else's ready to jump off the cliff
with you, to go into the sandbox, to jump in
the whatever it is, that is.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
The most that's I think why we do it. At
the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
There's so many things that lead up to those moments.
I remember working to work with David Lynch on a
couple of different things, really really proud of those things.
And David created that environment on set in front of
the camera every day.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It was joy. It was pure joy.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That is so cool.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It was magical in his own special David Way and
other directors that I've worked with had the same thing,
and you have had this experience as well. And when
you don't have that experience in some situations, it's really painful.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, you know WHOA, I just had deja vu. I
just had DejaVu that I was sitting here and that
you were saying that exact thing to me. That's really weird.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
We're gonna have to look at the camera. Do we
see anything? Is there something occurred? Maybe maybe there was something.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is weird, okay anyways, Yeah, yeah, it's it can
be really painful. And I've noticed also in my career
that I don't want to say more often than not,
but more than I would like, I find myself not
feeling the way I would like to be. I would
(27:55):
like to feel not achieving the thing that I set
out to do as an actor, not.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
In the scene, in the moment, in the like the
the reason I got into it as a kid, right,
you know, like honoring my inner child's reasoning for getting
into this, I find that I I'm not I'm not
I'm not always successful.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Hit the battle of the mind over.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
The It's it's adjusting to the structure of the industry,
the business of it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
You know, Like I come on as an artist, and
I really want to be an artist, and I want
to create, and I want to explore, and I want
to get I want to be loose, and and then
I'm kind of confronted with a bunch of obstacles that
are like you know, like say a director who doesn't
really know how to talk to actors, you know, or
it's like a very technical scene, or it's I have
(28:56):
to perform a character in a way because it's going
to be more digestible for the audience and it's going
to reach it's gonna be reach a larger or whatever.
Or a scene has to like be stripped of its
nuance because it has to be more digestible, or you know,
just just those things kind of like make me lose
(29:17):
sight of like who I am, who I'm trying to
be as an artist and I and it makes me
very and that. I mean, it's it's painful. Am I
making any sense?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, I know, I get it. I do, Okay, I do,
I do understand.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I'm I think I'm intentionally trying to be vague as
to not Well.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It's also, you know, I mean, every experience is going
to be different, obviously, you know. And yeahther it's theater
situation or or a film or television or whatever it is.
And when you've had experiences as you have had that
that are magic, you know, that are very special.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
As I have had that, whenever anything is.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Not that, you're like damn, You're like damn, you know, yeah,
why can't it always be like that?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And it just can't.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It's you know, it's just but the hard part is
that you have to bring that energy onto set yourself,
like you have to kind of create that magic. You
have to like make space for your own process and
for your own freedom. And I hate that. I really
wish that just every director I work with, every set
I'm on to create that environment for me because I'm
(30:19):
really trusting, like I want to be trusting.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
This kind of leads me into a little bit of
I saw the TV glow and I got to imagine.
That experience was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That experience was intense. Yeah, that script is incredible. Yeah,
once in a lifetime project. And when I first read it,
I was like, I don't know what the fuck I
just read. Yeah, and I have to do this because
I don't understand I.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Had those experiences as well.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, because it resonated with me emotionally. I didn't it
didn't resonate with me logically, but like I felt it,
and yeah, that's really good writing. Yea. And when I
met with Jane, they you know, explained it to me
and it all made sense. And I remember in that meeting,
I was like trying to.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
How did they explain it to you? Because it's very complicated.
I'm so curious.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Well, there's this, like you know, obviously there's this allegory
for transness, and Jane is trans and that allegory was
very clear to me. It was actually what was less
clear to me was the like literal structure of the movie,
like understanding I mean, this is a spoiler for anybody
(31:34):
who hasn't seen it, but just like understanding how much
of the girl who's buried I am? How much of
you know, tracking I play this character from like age
fifteen to like I think thirty four or something like that,
you know, tracking his age, tracking his like he's like asthma.
(31:56):
He also like breaks the fourth wall and talks to
the camera, which is a different version of him. So
there's like all these different it's very absurdist, it's instrumental,
and just getting specific about all those things that was
what I needed clarity on.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Because if having had the experiences of working with Lynch,
there were so many things that I read and I'm
just like, I don't know what this is. I know
it feels interesting and right, and it's going to be
a weird journey. And I'm just like, and I just say,
you know what, because I would ask David all that,
I would pepper him with questions when we first started working,
(32:31):
and he doesn't like to answer questions and he.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Doesn't feel compelled to tell me stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
So I just had to go, you know what, I'm
gonna just make it my own and I'm going to
believe it's this thing and then just go. But I
also feel like your experience was one where to understand
the journey of the character, you had.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
To understand what was happening more. Yeah, it sounds like
James able to.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yes, to communicate that yeah, to play the present moment,
to not play the metal right, because that wasn't my job.
That Jane was responsible for the metaphor. I just had
to play the truth of the circumstance, you know, the
truth of the scene. But I do think that I
it was a little bit easier to grasp because of
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Lynch's work because I could picture this. I had reference
for what this kind of script was, this kind of
movie was going to be. So I mean, I I
assume it was way harder for you because.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
There was no there was no reference. There was a
razerhead and that was that was my point of reference. Okay,
I'm not going to really get everything, but let's go
you know. Yeah, so you know, but you make a
good point about just playing the moment, the scene, the
reality what you're going through in any given moment, and
(33:51):
if you don't really know, then you're like, I'm gonna
just trust ride my feeling and then David, will you know,
nudge here or.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That's the main thing that tvglow taught me because I
can be a little a little bit of a control
freak at times, like the first movie I ever did.
I did every take the exact same way because I
was like, I don't this is how I want the
performance to go. And I learned that that's not sustainable,
and I learned that directors hate that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And it's no fun, no fun.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I was just so nervous of being a bad actor,
you know. So I was like, if I can just craft,
like I have full control over what this performance is,
maybe I'll be good. I luckily grew out of that,
but doing TV Glow was like the real nail in
the coffin of learning how to let go and trust
the director because it was surprisingly technical. Jane is a
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visionary in a lot of ways, has a very clear
idea of how they want the movie to look. And
I've been on lots of you know, franchise, blockbuster, green
screen kind of films, and I understand the nature of
like hitting a mark and blocking a certain way in
order because it's going to be edited in visual effects
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and all that good stuff. So I was fortunate to
be able to meet Jane on that technical aspect. But
it's such a character piece, like it's it's, it's It
was a really hard balance of like not having as
much looseness as I would like in exploring a character,
but also being okay with that right, being like, just
(35:34):
do what I can and trust that there's a reason
I have to hit this mark and turn my head
like this, because Jane knows what they're doing and this
is such a specific script, like I have to let
them make their vision.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's such a pleasure to work with a director who
has that kind of specificity. I want to ask you
a little bit about your social Okay, and Mustard, you know,
what do you know?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Musty?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Did you find that we have a.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Research I like, you're private, No one else knows. I
just wanted to tell them, tell us who is who
is Mustard?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, I can tell a little because I'm I'm also
curious too. I've got the car, but I don't necessarily know,
so I'm you know nothing of No, I'm just asking,
don't look it up.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I'm curious. I don't watch any of it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Please.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Is it an alter ego?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
No? No, it's just me being ridiculous, and I love it.
It's all my unfiltered thoughts. And Instagram has become overly
manicured for me. I mean, Instagram used to be a
lot more fun before I had followers, and now.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
That I have followers, it's like right now, it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Used to just be like me and my friends and
like just posting what I ate, and like now it's
just like everything's got to be an ad and everything's
got to be a thing and everything and so like
that's like the family friendly social media. My TikTok is
for the weirdos and it's me. Yeah, it's just me
being an And I don't promote it because I just want.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I think it's a great reveal, you know what I mean,
And I applaud you for letting that go. You know,
I think it's one of the things in this process
of this podcast, as I'm learning and I'm talking to
people different generation than me. You know, my generation, there
was no way you would expose things certain things, right
because you just it might impact you in ways and
(37:24):
expectations and.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Blah blah blah ah that stuff that you talked about.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
But I feel like people coming up now there is
kind of a Okay, it's a side of me, and
as a there's like a it's authentic first of all,
and it's who you are, and there's feels to me
like there's a greater acceptance of that, or at least
an understanding or hey, that's cool, that's a really.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I don't know if that's am I. I don't know
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Getting very pure perspective on it. Yeah, I think that's
a very unjaded you think it's.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
That it's a hope, it's more of a hopeful perspective.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, I actually really admire that perspective. I feel like
I should adopt that. I do think that there maybe
in your time, there was more in your time, you know,
going back in time, there was more of a fixation
on like enigma and we don't know who that person is.
(38:20):
We don't know who this actor really is, and we
only just get snapshots of them.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
And even that was that was my influence looking forward
right right to guys you know that were ahead of me,
actors that were ahead of me, And I was like,
who is Steve McQueen, you know, right, what is that about?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
You know? Or who?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Who?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Who was James Dean? You know?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Well they really you know, right, and you want to
know you know?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, and then you just like see a little rumor
in the tabloid that's like, oh and you can create
a whole picture about them. Now there's like an obligation
almost for transparency, like people want to kind of this
is like my problem was gritty culture in general, but
like people want everyone has to be an influencer essentially,
(39:06):
Like everyone is kind of being backed into a corner
to be an influencer and to like reveal every little
bit about themselves in order like to stay relevant. Yeah, yeah, sure,
there's almost like this obligation to like be revealing in
order to like get people to like you.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And like, so there's a pressure to do that, you feel.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, I hate social media? Yeah, yeah, I hate it
so much because I think I am a relatively private person.
Not when you talk to me one on one, I
pride myself on having no secrets, But when it comes
to like revealing myself to the masses, to the hungry wolves,
like that is just not something I think is natural.
(39:51):
I don't think I should know what everyone thinks about
me all the time, good or bad. I think that's
very unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I wonder if there's a sorry and real but I
wonder if there is. I'm a big believer in the
pendulum theory. You know something, it'll swing out and they
will come right back again and go back out, you know,
just never ending right and right now, I think we
are in a period where we do know a lot
about people more maybe more than we should, you know.
(40:18):
And I also wonder if there's a compulsion or on
people that are doing what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
They're like caught in the reveal. I got a reveal,
I gotta reveal.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And I wonder I don't know if if there'll be
a swing back the other way and it'll become much more.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I think there might be, maybe because I think social
media first started off of just people like actually being authentic,
just sharing their lives. It was like public diaries essentially,
and now it's social media shipped to a place of
like content creation, and everyone is starting to manicure like
I'm doing on Instagram. Everyone's starting to like manicure everything
they post, and everything the post has to be a drop,
and everything posts has to be is to break the Internet,
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and it has to get a bunch of likes and
get a bunch of views, and all the other competitiveness
comes in, yeah exactly, and or or like you know
has to be super funny and get like you know,
or outrageous or whatever. And I do think that people
are gonna get tired of that and and maybe it'll
slowly come back to like here's what I hate today, Yeah,
(41:16):
and or more authenticity, like I think, oh yeah, you
know what I mean. I actually think we're in the
mystery phase right now because everything is so manufactured.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
So okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Like even though people are like posting a lot, they're
not really revealing their true selves. They're just creating fighting
behind an image.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Image.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah. Yeah, But anyways, my TikTok is me trying to
just be stupid and silly and break that.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah pressure, I like stupid and silly. I just I
try to do as much of that as possible.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Please don't watch my TikTok.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
We are going to play a game that's gonna have
to do with magic. We're gonna take a break and
then we're gonna come back and we're gonna get into
the magic world.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Okay, is that all right?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That sounds good?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
All right, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
All right, we're back with justice. For those of you
who are not watching, We're we're sitting now. We have
top hats and we have magic bonds in our hands
and we are. We're gonna play a little game that
I designed just for Justice called It's Giving Magic, which
is an ode to your upcoming film. Now you see me,
now you don't. I'm gonna give you a description of
a real magic trick plus two possible names, and you'll
(42:28):
have to tell me what is correct.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I'm gonna bomb this before we go. We're gonna do
our tick.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Ready, abracadabra am, what's the end of that. We'll play
this game and it'll be great, great and wow, wow,
that's a little lose, so much for the right.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
That's right, there's store bot. They're only dollars. Okay, are
you ready for magic? Okay, here we go. Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
This is an illusion where a magician drops three different
colored sands in a bowl of water, takes them out
with each color separated. Is it Grains of the Amazon
or sands of the Nile? Oh?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Wow, those are so close. I really thought I was
gonna get it off.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Of Grains of the Amazon or Sands of the Nile.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Knowing what I know about the names of tricks and
how stupid they can be, sometimes, I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Sands and the Yes, you are well gone, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I knew he was gonna go with that one.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
People don't fall for magic because they're stupid. People fall
from magic because it's stupid. That is what Handsome Jack
taught me. There it is, there, it is the magic community.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Don't come for me from the mouth of handsome Jack.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
All right, I'm gonna get this next one.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, yes, perfect, Okay. This is a trick where a
card magically appears.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
At the top of the deck.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, you did a lot of card tricks, you might
notice the card magically appears at the top of the
deck after being placed randomly in the middle. Okay, is
it aggressive card or ambitious card? This is really difficult,
by the way, it's ambitious or well done?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
That one?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think I've heard that one. You knew because that
one we learned. I don't remember how to do it,
but we did learn that.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
That's pretty good. See.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I wouldn't have I would have I would have think
aggressive because the card. But ambitious card? Yes, okay, well done.
Two for two Number three Magician produces a coin from
the air and drops it into a bucket below. Miser's
dream or mclachlin's dream. Don't overthink don't overthink it, are
(44:47):
you sure?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You were correct?
Speaker 3 (44:49):
What would be the odds that would be McLachlan's dream?
You know it would have been amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I know I would have related to any magicians, I
don't think so have you done your twenty three meters?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I have not, So who knows who I could be
related to? When it's frightening? Okay, so here we go again.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Number four penetration illusion, where the assistant is placed in
a box and appears to be impaled with spikes on
the door. Ok maya Lucifer's Punishment palace?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Did you come up with that?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Lucifer's Punishment Palace or Devil's Torture Chamber?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I think it's Devil's I think you're correct.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yay. I gave it away when I said did you?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I mean also you admitted that you came up.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Okay, last one for all, for the magic wand to
take this magic one home, This magic one can be
yours if the restoration illusion where the assistant appears to
be cut in four. These are very MACONI yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
As tech lady or mayan lady.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Okay, yes, the wand I.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Can't think I did you rite this justice.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
You don't understand, guy, I'm very competitive when it comes in.
I really like to win.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah. See I knew that I wanted you to win,
so you got me.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Oh my god, it was so nice to have you here.
Thank you. Hey, listen, what's what's what's next?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What's happening? What can we promote?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Nice? You mean I do? It comes out November fourteenth, Okay,
and then that's it.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Okay, Well man, that's all the time we have today.
I don't know if we answered the question what are
we even doing?
Speaker 1 (46:36):
But we tried. We tried so seriously.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Was that the question we're supposed to be answered? I
guess so, but I never really asked it. So anyway,
what are we even doing? It's a pleasure to have
you on.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Thanks, thank you for.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
What Are We Even Doing is a production of iHeartMedia
and the Elvis Duran Podcast Network, hosted by me Kyle
McLaughlin and created and reduced by Full Picture Productions Yay,
featuring music by Yata and artwork by Danica Robinson. For
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