11.17.25 Randy Baumann and the DVE Morning Show HR 4

Rob King joins us live in-studio for a power hour to give a full recap of the Steelers 34-12 victory over the Bengals.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The yard line inside the twenty five foot chumps up
for the air, pounces off.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
DJ Turner keeps his feet, it gets all the way
down to the thirteen yard line.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Jalen Warren, the author of that play call, joining us
right now, the voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers on the
Steelers Audio Network, which is broadcast right here on the
flagship station of the Black and Gold dv E. Rob
King joining us here live in studio Hornet mag You
won so you get applause and has had a good mood,
not silence.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's an actual power hour this time.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
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the f one fifty, the official truck of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Well,
first things first, King and I sat together for Paul McCartney. Yeah,
this past week, I have not talked to you post.
We texted late, but I didn't get a full.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Review from you. He's unbelievable. Your thoughts on eighty three
year old Paul McCartney. I mean, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
So I saw him when he opened up, Uh, Consaul, Yes,
I was there too, twenty twelve fourteen.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
It was fifteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Okay, so he his voice sounded incredible then like like
just like he hadn't had an aged at all. Then
I saw him again in Knoxville in twenty twenty two
with my wife and my daughter. We got my son
in this time, so you said.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, I see the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
So we got the whole The whole family had shared
that my sister so so twenty twenty two I was like, ooh,
he's you know, eight years later or whatever it was
he'd lost or twelve years later, he'd clearly lost some voice.
His voice isn't at its best, but the I mean,
the set list was crazy and when.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
He needed to hit some notes he did. He was smart.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
You and I were discussing Elvis Costell, like this is
what Elvis gott Teller should do. Bring in the background vocals, right,
just sing a little bit, let the background vocals carry,
and then when you need it, slam it out there.
Hopefully he got enough voice to do it, and Paul
McCartney had enough voice to do it. And it was
and just one last thing. It was very It was
it was emotional for me and for my wife because

(01:57):
my wife's sister was there and my younger sister Sue
was there a huge they're both huge Beatles fans. And
if you're our age old, that's like the soundtrack of
your life. It just is, man, I mean, and you
know it's there's been never been a group like him,
never will never been a person like Paul McCartney, never
will be. It was I thought it was great and
two hours and forty minutes. Eric Clapton, I mean, this

(02:19):
is this is a great show, you know, yeah, more
than last week too.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
But like, don't you think that the fact that his
voice is sort of quavering and is sort of showing
his age, doesn't that make it more emotional in a
way and more meaning certain songs you see like that
kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Certain songs it definitely did, I mean, give you more
grat Well, he's singing Blackbird and his voice is breaking up.
You're just like, I can't tell you the amount of
times I'm like, am.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I about to cry?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Because I like it was it was emotional, Yeah, I
I yeah, my eyes were. My eyes got a little
wet a couple of times, especially the videos in the background,
and it really just so much about the passing of time.
You're there to kiss the ring on a legend. Like
you said, there's nobody like him. It's not just that
he has a lot of hits. You're not watching the
who You're not watching even Mick Jagger, who has like
a different persona and relationship. Like there's something about McCartney

(03:07):
because he is the unicorn, like there are not It's
like Prince and McCartney. You know, there aren't a lot
of guys who did and can do as much as
he has and and still does. He played the bass
and sang, played the guitar and sang. He's playing the
piano and sang. He played a ukulele and sang, and
he's eighty three years old and he did it for

(03:27):
two hours and forty minutes. And every song he sang
was a classic that he wrote. Like, He's just unbelievable. Yeah,
there's not a lot of people like that in the
history of music.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
He's like Mozart. Well, when you think about the Beatles
in general. And by the way, the one guy whose
voice did change it, I think changed for the better
was Elton John.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
When I saw him. In contrast, he change for the
Bely mackerel. Yeah, so does Elton John. He said that
before he likes that his voice has changed, his voice.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Being lower, Like I'm not a huge Elton John on
the record fan. I just you know, because that was
the air of the backup strings, like you know, softening everything.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
There was no soft in concert. Man. He just I
was like, whoa man? Yeah, I saw the last one
at Pah he brought it.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
But you know, the the serious does the top one
hundred Beatles songs.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I don't know what you're talking about. I know, I
know you've never heard of it. It is. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
I've never heard of it either, but but I've I've
heard tell of this. But they're finished. So this is
a group that was around for what eight years, and
when the one hundred songs were over here like they
miss some it's it's it's incredible. They went from I
Want to hold your Hand to Strawberry Fields in three years.
That's just Yes, that will never happen. It can't happen.

(04:41):
It can't happen. Agreed, it can't happen. Agreed, agreed. Okay,
let's talk football.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Steelers get to win yesterday and you know it was
the the tail of the backup Mason coming in. Jalen
Warng goes out with the injury, gain Well gets more
tots and really gets it done through the air. He's
their leading receiver yesterday. Uh and and James Pierre in
the secondary. With not just the fumble recovery return for
a touchdown, I mean even bigger was that he saved

(05:08):
a touchdown early in the game when Chase was wide open.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Beautiful pass breakup. Here is Rob King on the call.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Al swirling as Flacco gets the snap back to pass
looking gonna loft deep intended for Chase battle away. Beautiful
play by James Pierre right down the middle of the field.
Pierre had it judged all the way. Great coverage by Pierre.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Rogers goes down. Doesn't worry me to bring in Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Jalen Warren goes down.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
While I love Jalen I am his biggest fan, I
think the offense needs to continue to go through him.
Gain Well has already proven he can do it. We
saw it in Dublin. James Pierre coming in that makes
me a little bit nervous. He really stepped up yesterday.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
He's an interesting guy. You know, proof that development for
a player isn't linear, right, That isn't always linear. Sometimes
it is, but when he was when they got him
as an undrafted free agent. Mike Tomlin talked about him
during earlier in the week. You know, he's a COVID guy,
so he didn't you know, it wasn't able to be
around him. But they really they really felt like there
was something there and it's just taken him a while

(06:12):
to get there, you know, from Florida Atlantic to the
NFL and you know, he was not on the team,
He's on.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
The practice squad earlier this year.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
To be able to have that kind of assent is
first of all, it's it's a credit to him. But they,
you know, they they kind of stuck with him, and
I think that that belief that he could be that
kind of player is starting to manifest itself on the field.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I mean they really miss Corey Trice and his availability here.
I think signing a Sante Samuel, you think we see
him next week?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean it was.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
It would have been a quick turnaround to put him
back on the football field again in such short order.
But with another week, do you think it's possible? Finally,
I think I think it's possible.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
You know, there's uh when and by the way all
these guys you're mentioning, Randy, I mean, I think it's
when coming out of camp.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Remember being in camp watching.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
With Max and others and being like, man, this team
is super deep, really deep. The one place they weren't
really deep with safety and what happens they get injuries
at safety. But when you have a player like Jalen Ramsey,
and some of this is roster construction, some of this
is the players. Of course, you know, the players have
to step forth no matter who what kind of roster
construction you have. But game well, as we saw in Minnesota,

(07:27):
that's a really good backup. He never had the opportunity
to play like that. He showed in Minnesota that he
can play like that. So Jayalen Warren goes down, that's
what you have. Mason Rudolph, of course, we've seen him before, Pierre,
you know, Kyle Dugger going out and getting him in
a trade. You know, there's a lot of things that
have happened along the way, and a lot of the
depth kind of coming to the forefront here for the
Steelers and some of that, you know, like the pro

(07:48):
scouting department, all these departments coming together and putting the
right guys in place, but also you know, eventually and
ultimately the players have to go out and succeed. And
the Steelers, I still think they have a deep roster.
Jalen Ramsey being able to play safety is huge, especially
when a guy like Pierre and a guy like Eccles
who you know you brought him in maybe to be

(08:08):
the fourth corner. You know, when those guys can emerge
for you. And then, like you said, as Sante Samuel,
this is a really good player.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
You know, they need to get him up to speed.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
I don't know how difficult it's going to be for
him to kind of just jump in.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
He hasn't played in what over a year, so I
don't know. I I.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Like the way that the backups had to come in
and perform, and that's exactly what they had to do.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
It's part of Gainwell's success, the fact that he is
second on the chart, that he's lurking in the shadows
that people are game planning for, you know, Jalen Warren,
and that that gain Well's not getting enough attention from
defensive coordinat.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I have said before the Vikings game, yes, after that, no,
because he's been an integral he was getting touches before
the injury.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
He just became the primary focus after that.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I mean, he's a good play so much so that
I don't think they should have gone to Gamewell on
that third down. They should have kept Warren in on
the one failed third down attempt they had, And we
talked about it with Tim Bens earlier. I would prefer
that when they spell Warren they do it by series
and not mid series.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I think that's I agree with you, because that's what
they've done in the past. That's you know, Warren was
a third down back, but he would also come in
and spell Naji Harris. Look, they really like gain. Well
did I say Warren, I meant Warren. Did I say
Warren would come in for Naji for a series?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yes? Yeah, third back?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Okay committee. Yeah, So I agree with you, and I
thought that was maybe kind of how they would use him.
But they think he's a really, really good third down back.
They think he's an upper echelon third down type of back.
It gives you the opportunity to rest Jale Warren, keep
him fresh, you know. I, like I said, I think

(09:48):
we saw in Minnesota what he can do. But you know,
look around the league, like, for example, the team they're
playing this week, Chicago, DeAndre Swift got hurt. They put
in Kylemanung Guy, a seventh round pick. He went crazy.
Everyone's like, this is the end of DeAndre Swift. We'll
see the Swift was healthy, he got back in there.
But Manon Guy had a massive game. There are good
players around the league that are just waiting for an opportunity.

(10:10):
Game was really never had the opportunity to be the guy,
and he's had a couple of opportunities this season, and
certainly the one in Dublin because Warren wasn't available.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
And then in the second half of this game, what
do you.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Think was the biggest difference between the first time they
played they faced Joe Flacco and now yesterday's thirty four
to twelve win.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
The defense was just so much better, you know, And
again I don't know how much the wind had to
do with that, because it was really windy, really windy.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And did you watch any of the game last night,
the Eagles game? I did not.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
It picked up even more. I mean, guys were guy.
They showed guys that they showed the kickers in pregame
warm ups. You know, aiming to the left of the
upright and it blowing all the way across and wide right.
I mean, just crazy win. It was windy yesterday. Don't
know if that helped, but you know they were the
Bengals just hit deep out after deep out against the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I mean in the first game.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Oh, I mean just you know, a fifteen seventeen yard
out just easy as could be to Chase and Higgins.
I don't remember see I think I saw one pass
completed like that yesterday.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
One. Yeah, they did a great job covering those guys.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
And whether you say the wind or the defense or
probably a combination of both, you know, getting some pressure
up the middle on Flacco and again you see the
difference between between you know, a pass rush and making
a team one dimensional. You know, at some point Flacco
had to hang onto the ball a split second longer.
When that happens against his team, you're in big trouble.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Was yesterday game that made them further realize that they
need to invest more in this guy.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Back to pass, looking fires over the middle of the field,
complete the darn and watch, oh he shut down them
again and then lowers his shoulder, rumbling down the left sideline.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
He's shut him off with.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
A stiff arm and got down the left sideline inside
the thirty five yard line of the Bengals out of.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
The thirty one I mean a thirty one yard gain
and he, you know, as you point out there, just
shreds three guys for the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
This is a.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Weapon that nobody else really has right now, like, we've
got to utilize him more often. It seems like there's
they've been slow rolling him out of the gate for
so long.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Are we finally ready to go?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Okay? Time to throw it to Mount worsh You know,
I love his game, I really do.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
And know how his hands.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Are, by the way, I don't know if he's like
the best catching, No, he has good hands.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
He has good hands.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
I don't remember too many, I mean, you know, except
for him not being ready, like if he's ready, that.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
He wasn't ready to turn around right.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, But you know reminded me of like if you
had say a senior in high school playing King of
the Hill against like the first range, he's like wam
onto his ankle. It was it was it was actually
well I laughed out loud because it was actually humorous.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It was just, you know, so I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
But then after after the first game in Cincinnati, thereone's like,
what we need more friar mouth, right, you know. And
I don't think we've seen the best of John hus
Smith yet. I just think, and I've said this many
times over the years, over this year, I think it's
going to be a matchup oriented team in the passing game.
You have DK Metcalf, He's a constant. One week you'll

(13:30):
look out there and be like, hey, their second corner
isn't up to snuff. This is Calvin Austin's game. Okay,
well they got two good corners. Now we're gonna have
you know, we're gonna be able to utilize the tight ends.
So they have and and Darning Washington's playing a lot.
You know, they have the jumbo package, and he's playing
a ton, and the tight ends are out catching the
receivers like all the time.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I guess what I'm saying is, I know he's not
being put on the bench, but do they start scheming
him into the.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Game plan a little bit more than they have been. Well,
I think he's been schemed in. I think he's been
just the right, he can't have too much Paprika. It's hard.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
It's hard to say, Like if a team just said,
you know, I don't know whether a team could take
him away.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Is there something him like who has the size?

Speaker 5 (14:17):
He literally can go eight yards out on a curl route,
hold his hand up and that's it.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Like, what's anybody gonna do about it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. I mean it would
be interesting. Okay, you've got an assignment for me. I'm
going to go try to talk to so who would
normally cover him, a strong safety, maybe inside linebackers, Peyton Wilson,
Patrick Queen.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, I'll I'll see what they have to say. I'll
see what they think. I'll see what they think about that.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Rob King joining us with a power of Steeler talk
right now and big win over the division foe Cincinnati
Bengals yesterday.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think their.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Coach thinks I think their coach thinks, really, I think
he's His clock management is terrible.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I think he makes bad decisions.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
I hate to say this, but the Steelers had won
ten in a row in the last ten game and.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Bengals were seven and three against the seer.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
I know which is you know confounds me even more
because I don't think that guy's that could chase Brown
just under one hundred yards yesterday ninety nine. That seemed
to be the thing they let like, they didn't get
flummixed like they did the first game, and they seem
to be all over the place over correcting. It was
almost a tortoise and hair situation the first time they
played Flacco.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I liked the.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Poise on defense and on offense, that's okay, live to
fight another day, and punt the ball away, established the run.
I think they ended up with almost like a fifty
to fifty split in pass and run yesterday.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Which is better than what we'd been seeing where they were.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
You know, Aaron Rodgers is throwing at thirty five times
and Jalen Warren got you know, sixteen carriages. He ended
up with ten before he was taken out of the
game yesterday.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Sometimes though that's dictated by the game. Right, So you
get the lead and now you can run the football.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I know it. Don't stump all over my now though,
I mean just because you're running. You know what they did.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
They won the time of possession MAXs Maxi's clock. We
know we were in conversion breaking backs, Like, what's the
time and possession? Someone said thirty minutes. He's like, oh,
we got to get the ball back. So they got
it back for a kneel down. I think at the
end of the game and that one time that counts.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, thirty minutes and five seconds seconds to twenty nine
to fifty five.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yep, win's a win. When's a win?

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I am actually a little bit encouraged by that performance
yesterday on a couple of fronts.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'm not worried about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
I really don't think that Mason Rudolph is a huge
drop off at this point. I can see that Aaron
Rodgers does a whole lot more at the line of scrimmage.
But as you pointed out, maybe the rest of the
team is better suited to just engage in some simplicity there.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Did I point that out? Did I say that?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
No, Jerry did? Jerry y?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Sorry I'm confusing people. But here's my one question for you.
Rum and Wilson ended up with more snaps yesterday than
Calvin Austin. Now, Calvin Austin is back to return pun
so it can't be because of injury.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
What do you think that's day because Kishon got hurt yesterday,
got a concussion that okay, this actually art, Yeah, that's relevant.
That's why they moved Austin to back to returning punts.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, So do you think it's because Austin is still
like nursing that injury.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
No, I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
You know, again, maybe there's something they liked in the
matchup that got Roman Wilson more snaps. I saw him
running in emotional How many catches did he have? I
thought he had one? Yeah, he had He had one
for seventeen yards. Calvin had one for five yards.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
If we were skimming tight tight ends open and we're
doing sort of routes that are meant for checkdowns or
anything like that, is there any reason like maybe Roman
Wilson's better blocking than teeny tiny Calvin.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I mean he is a pretty good blocker Roman. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Well, they're both scrappy. Neither one of them is a
large human. Roman Wilson's not a big guy either, but
they are there. Both of them are are scrappy. They
know that they have to be, kay. You know, I
talked about that with Calvin Austin last year It's like
he's always been small, right, he knows it. He knows
he's got to get in somebody's face and get after
him because he's never been the biggest guy in the room.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So he's I love his heart and his crappiness.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Like I said, I just think that for whatever reason,
they either it's the flow of the game or the
game plan, that's what we're gonna see. You know, one
week it's gonna be a ton of Darnell Washington, next
week it's gonna be Pat Fryarmouth. I'm still waiting for
johnning Smith to have a breakout game because I think
he's I think he's due one and is going to
have one.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Man he he and Friarmuth. I mean friar Mouth had
that game against the Bengals last time. You thought you
would have seen more of him yesterday. But I just
thought we were going to see the ball be be
in front of the tight ends much more often than
we have this season.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Well, I mean it's been spread out, it's been distributed.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
The one thing John ing Smith hasn't done that I
thought would happen more because you know, because so we've
seen the both running backs get a ton of catches.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
We have seen the tight ends get a lot of catches.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
We haven't seen a lot of DK Metcalf, especially lately,
getting a ton of catches. What did he have yesterday?
DK had five for forty nine. Know that he was
the last four games he'd average under forty yards per
game in receiving yards DK.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Mason had him over the top on one yesterday and
he went underneath and we got the first down.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
So I mean we still ended up getting first down.
It was the drive we scored.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
But there's a few times I think where DK is
probably getting frustrated because he's not being seen well. I
don't remember both with Rogers and Mason, and I do
wonder if the wind had a factor. I don't remember
a single point long one getting completed by either team.
It probably happened, but I don't remember like a long
ball down field that was completed yesterday.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Do you for Metcalf specific Yeah, for anybody either team,
was there a long and anybody aired it out? Yeah,
I'm trying to remember if they even threw it long
at any point.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think you're right. Well, Darnell's thirty one had that
twenty eight yarder, but that was for the touchdown. Yeah,
I mean it was almost like a wheel route thing
that like.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
But even I think there was only twenty or fifteen yards. Yeah,
that wasn't even that much. Yeah, I think it was
hard to throw the ball down the field.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yesterday, Rob King with a Power Hour of Steeler Talk
with us heading to Chicago this weekend to take on
the Bears. That's a one o'clock kickoff, which means the
pregame starts at nine am. Here for your six and
four Pittsburgh Steelers. This is an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Huh. Ben Johnson versus Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, what is this now? The I think they're in
first right, the Bears in first place for seventy three. Yeah,
so this is the third time in the last four
weeks Colts Chargers Bears at the play Division leader.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Mike's coming in with your sports and I want to
bring back a segment that we used to kind of
do during the Power Hour, which was the post game
call of the day because oh nice, Well, Charlie Batch
have to deal with lots of fun calls after the game.
So I just tapped Mike on the shoulder again and said, hey,

(20:49):
want you you know, let's bring that Segmentarry Nick and
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Speaker 6 (21:36):
Sports is that brought to you by Bridgal Plans. Let's
just keep riffing on the game. I liked what you
guys were talking about before the break. The two deep
shots that stood out to me were the Flacco to
Jamar chase that James Spear made the phenomenal play on
the deep post, and the Mason Rudolph backed shoulder to metcalf,
which I still can't believe that was called offensive pass interference.

(21:59):
I thought that was two guys hand fighting, neither one
restricting the other. They did not go to Jeane Stare
throw on that play for some reason, but we'll get
to it tomorrow. I thought that was a bad call, agreed.
Other than that, there weren't a lot of shots taken
Aaron Rodgers game. I don't want to say I was
down on it before his injury, but I was expecting

(22:22):
a significant bounce back from him, and I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
He looked frustrated. Again.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
His body language suggests somebody is frustrated, and I don't
know if it's because, as we talked about earlier, he's
changing things up at the line that they're not getting
or did DK on that one third down throw where
Rogers overthrew him in the second quarter? Did he run

(22:49):
the wrong route there? Did Aaron Rodgers overthrow it? Did
the wind take it?

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't know. Yeah, nothing noticeable to me.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
He was wide open, he was one on one and
he was on the field and they didn't hit it again.
And now the Chargers one, it was pretty obvious that
something was amiss with the route versus the ball placement.
I didn't see anything that jumped out at me looking
at that one again. Rogers was frustrated afterward. I just
interpreted it as we missed, we had a shot there.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, that's what I don't know, is he pissed it
himself or the circumstances. I actually think a lot of
the times he's pissed at the line because he is
having to worry so much about the lack of protection.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Most other full quarterbacks have to move a little bit
in the pocket. That's why they scout that skill. I mean,
the line was much better yesterday and Max starts I
Talught did a great job on the pregame show pointing
out that Broderick Jones had a tough night against the
Chargers and it was not a coincidence that Isaac Samala
was not lined up next to him and they kept

(23:48):
switching the guard because they were doing that. Let's try
to start Calvin aust Or, Let's try to have Spencer
Anderson play guard and the extra line, extra tight end thing.
So they had to bring Pete in and the guard
position kept changing. It's not an excuse. I'm not making

(24:08):
an excuse for Broderick. He should have been better, but
he was much better again yesterday. The play from Rodgers
that really bothered me because what I value with Aaron
Rodgers is his ability to see the field, break down
the defense, understand where the ball needs to go, and
get it there. Second quarter, right after Friar Moose's nineteen
yard reception his catch and run, Rogers ended up bootlegging

(24:29):
right and Friar Mouth was wide open in the middle
of the field. He's on the logo with his hands
up in the air and the crowd reacted because he
broke open.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
And you can hear oh, there he is, and he
threw it.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
To Johnny Smith. It's like you had a big play there,
you missed it. He was uncovered. I don't expect that
from Aaron Rodgers. That's the kind of play I want
to see him make with regularity, as he was doing
before that Chargers game.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Has he always been known as like a you know,
Ben Roth because I always thought that was something that
Ben could do, is when the play broke down, he
could see the scramp and make things happen. Rogers was
always a great arm great you know, game manager, everything
like that. Has he been known to be able to
pick that up when he's getting flushed out of the pockets.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
And in the old days, when he was a young man,
he could run and hurt you that way.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
And now he groans when he sits in a car, but.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
Now he can still get out on the wing and
make a play. The Calvin Austin thing is perplexing to me,
and it's it's curious to me. The defense is getting
better because they're talking about stability as safety and they're
not running guys in and out from down to down
as often.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
You just talked about the offensive line benefiting from smoah.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
I think they're playing with their toys too much on offense.
And I made a comment earlier today, Rand and you
reacted with great surprise. I talked about they're looking for
a second receiver again, and he said, well, they've been
doing that since July. Early in the season, they were
in two wide receiver sets. It was almost always Metcalf
and Austin. And if you go back to the New

(25:58):
England game game late fourth quarter and Rogers. They're in
cover two, and Rogers reads that the safety on the
near hash is going to come down and he's gonna
have a one on one with Calvin, and he just
looks at Austin at the line of scrimmage and Austin
looks back boom, game winning touchdown. To me, that's the
value of Calvin Austin. Either he or Metcalf can take

(26:21):
the top off the defense because they're both deep threats.
If you single cover them. Now, how do you not
single cover them? You play cover two. If they're doing that, you.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Run the ball.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Roman Wilson hasn't proven to me he can take the
top off the defense yet.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I don't know why he's getting more snaps into. I
mean a small guy.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
And while the you know, different guys for different game plans,
for different opponents, for different venues. It's a great theory.
It's playing with your toys too much. You're not getting
enough out of them.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, just put you guys out there. Let him make plays. Well.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
The lack of a helmet for MVS is also well
not puzzling. He just must not be ready for prime
time anymore. I can't to play this week. It's puzzling.
I mean, he was in San Francisco while he was hurt. Yeah,
he has a history with Rodgers, but new to the Steelers.
Put him on a practice sweat, get him up to
speed in practice, get him some reps with the ones,

(27:20):
put him out there. I mean, other than he might
have just been so confounded by the playbook or you know,
so early on that they thought let's get him another week.
But I have a hard time believing that, since a
lot of that stuff for these guys is it's rote.
It's like it's all coming from the same bible.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
I'm surprised it didn't happen this week. After the putt
returner Keyshawn Williams had that screw up against the Chargers,
I thought that was a perfect opportunity to sit him,
move Austin back to the putt returner number three roll
and see what MVS has is the number two.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
I was curious as to what they were going to
do with Keishawn, but they gave him an opportunity because
he's shown some explosive ability. He returned, you know, so
I'm off late in the game, and it didn't matter.
They you know, listen, you could say they showed some
confidence in him by putting him back out there, but
he left the game with an injury. If his availabilities
in question, I could see, you know, if they're going
to carry the six wide receivers, that could see.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Him being called up.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
But listen, they may you know, they they just signed
Sante Samuel too, so maybe he gets an opportunity to play.
I don't know how much time he's gonna need. There's
only so many roster spots to go around. As far
as elevating guys from the practice squad, and then who
would you, I mean, as far as the regular rotation
at guys, I mean, I think it's going to be Metcalf, Austin, Wilson. Still,

(28:35):
they love what Scoronic brings. Scotty Miller's a wonderful guy
to have available on game day.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Because he can do so much for you.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Great gunner yesterday. Yeah, I don't know who you somebody
else can gun Okay, you're not getting enough out of
this passing game.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
You're not.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
And Calvin Austin they told us in the spring, the
wide receivers coach, the offensive coordinator head he's the number
two and for the first three four weeks of this reason.
It was believable. Since he has come back last two games,
he's got three catches for nineteen yards combined. If it
ain't him, it's got to be somebody else that. If

(29:11):
it's not him, I want to see what MVS looks
like as opposed to Robert Wilson.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
I mean he hasn't it's been a while since he's
put up big numbers.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Do you want to hear Ian Rappaport on Good Morning
Football talking about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
I would love to hear Ian Rappaport on Good Morning
what's the deal with Rogers right now?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Man?

Speaker 7 (29:30):
Well, Aaron Rodgers is going to have test this morning
just to determine how long he is going to miss
with his injured wrist.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
If he is going to miss time.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
Here is our understanding. This is something I've been reporting
with colleague Tom pelisera Aaron Rodgers does have a tiny
fracture in his left wrist. That is what the X
ray at the stadium revealed yesterday. The reason why he's
going to have more tests. After you mentioned a player
land on his wrist, it was torqued in a way.
Was just too much pressure at a Bote ended up breaking.

(29:59):
Aaron Rodgers, to my understanding, has told people close to
him that he will be back very soon. He has
told more people close to him that he does not
want to miss a game. He is pushing to play
in this game. I know it seems crazy because he
broke a bone in his wrist, but it is a
left wrist. If he's able to grip, if he's able
to receive the ball on the step, it is actually

(30:20):
possible that Rodgers could play this week. Had someone tell
me that he was essentially fifty to fifty to play
this week. So it sounds bad, but Aaron Rodgers does
want to play and is trying to see how he
could do it for the Steelers.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
So we'll see how the practice week plays out. They
could beat the Bears with Mason Rudolph. To me, the
value of Rogers is when you get to the postseason.
I think they can finish the season with Rudolph and
be ten and seven, nine and eight and make the playoffs.
What happens after that, I don't know. With Mason Rudolph,
rod the hope or what she wanted to find out,
I guess is what the Rogers would be that difference

(30:56):
making guy, which is what they brought him here to
be in the first place, A difference making guy in
the postseason last six quarters, he hasn't been that guy.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Were you able to snag a call for us from
the post game? For uh, well, we got Jake working
on it.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Let's see, we'll do it after the break, but we'll
we'll offer a season.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
He was not up in arms after a thirty four
to twelve.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Ye. I know usually they're they're they're quite good spirits.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah. Oh, but I enjoyed the postgame and you definitely
had some calls to choose from couple a couple. Mike
just let some rant and goes, thanks for the car.
You know what.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
Johnny Smith one other thing. He's a non factor, all right.
Like they made that trade. I thought it was a
great trade initially, but now Ramsey's back doing what Mincon
did and Jonas Smith.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Isn't catching any passes. Yeah, so what was the pluket?

Speaker 6 (31:52):
But that changing of the guard at tight end is
not serving Friarmouth and it's not serving Smith.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
But of the Ramsey move that was necessitated by injury,
I mean Elliott being out.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
They also nescessitated, but they didn't have a free safety.
I mean, Elliott was a strong safety. They thought thorn
Hill was gonna play free safety, eh, they thought Chuck
Clark was gonna play Eh. Like, what was the point
If johonnas Smith is gonna get they got dolphined two
targets for zero yards?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
What was the point? What was the point?

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Don't we always talk about Johonnah Smith as though he's
a essentially a big wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Why can't they can they line him up at wide
receiver and thank you?

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Maybe that's an option for number two wide receiver, but
the whole let's keep having different tight ends in the game.
Every down is not working. Friarmuth had one hundred and
eleven yards against the Bengals the last time they played.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
They targeted him one time yesterday.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Quick Break will come back one more with Rob King,
Voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers here on the flagship station
of the Black and Gold won a two point five
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Pittsburgh Our budd Jeff Conkle has been hanging out with
us this morning. Rob King from the Steelers Audio Network,
voice of the Steelers on that their network for Steeler Nation.

(33:07):
Each and every Monday after Steelers game, we do a
power hour of Steeler Talk. Today is no different, but
I wanted to bring back this segment that we used
to put in this hour. I think we did it
with Stanley when you Yeah, I did the postgames. We're
doing the postgame show now. Mike is in at the
helm of both the pregame and postgame show.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I Steeler Sandwich and uh.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
We always would grab one question from the postgame show
to kick it around ourselves and also because I like
to just you know, listen into the character of Steeler
fans post game, be it a win or a loss,
and get a sense of their demeanor. Well, with yesterday
being the immacuw spit ejection, this is their take on
the Jalen Ramsey situation.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
From a caller, Hey, how.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
Can you possibly say that Kalen Ramsey has had a
successful season this year with the Steelers. He missed the
entire fourth quarter for the Steelers today. You got kicked
out of the game.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
You can't get kicked out of the games.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
You want to be a leader.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
I just don't think that way. So nine and a
half games of what he's brought.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
To this team.

Speaker 9 (34:14):
Correct, and I understand the emotional ties and everybody say
you need to be cool, but the ultimate disrespect is
being spit on. And we didn't see the spit happened.
We All we saw was the rejection or ejection of
him from the game. But you go back right now,
social media is blowing up and people are zooming in
and you could see Jamar Chase. Even though he lied

(34:35):
about it in his postgame press conference and said I
did not spit on him, video evidence shows otherwise. And
right there, I can understand the reaction that Jalen had.
I don't I understand it. Yes, you need to have
cooler heads, need to prevail on the field, but the
ultimate disrespect is being spit on. This hard for a
man to now not do something about that. That's all

(34:57):
I'm gonna say about it. That things will be addressed,
And that's Mike Tomland did not go overboard as it
relates to Jalen getting ejected from it because he understood.

Speaker 8 (35:06):
Out of the fourth quarter of the game, we need
him in the game.

Speaker 9 (35:13):
Is all I'm saying. Is man the man. If somebody
want to spit on you, you will not sit there and
say I'll take that. I'm in control my emotions. I'm
not gonna do anything. If you do say that, you're lying.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
The only exception would be when you played for Coward.
He'd get in your face and he'd do it accidentally.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
When you purposely spit.

Speaker 9 (35:33):
On a man, there's there's no man out here that's
going to say that. You're not going to stand there
and just say, hey, I take that, thanks for spitting
on me.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'm not going to do anything you want me to
believe if that's what you do.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
If you're between Dak Prescott and Jayalen Carter, we're talking.

Speaker 9 (35:47):
About jam and Ramsey, we're not talking about anybody else.
But again that that when we're talking about Jalen Ramsey here.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
Yeah, and he got kicked out of the game. We
need him in the fourth quarter of the game. Don't
make excuses for it.

Speaker 9 (36:01):
I'm not answering your question. I said, man the man.
If somebody with a spit on you, you're not going
to stand there.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
No, you can walk away.

Speaker 8 (36:11):
Anybody can want you.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
Well, you trust me, you're not going to walk away.
There's not You're getting emotional talking to me, right now.
So there's no way in heck if I were to
stand there in front of you and spit on you,
that you're just going to stand there and take it.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
I'm not paid two million dollars to finish the game.
Jalen Ramsey's paid two million dollars per game to play
four quarters.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
They absolutely don't want him to get kicked out, Andrew,
But I think you know, it's a big deal that
he got kicked out because of how well he has
done and because of how important he is to the team.
Wouldn't you agree, Like, yeah, it's it's a mistake. They
don't want to see it happen again, but there are
extenuating circumstances. I think they'll, uh, they'll live through it,
learn from it, and move on. But they definitely want

(36:57):
Jalen Ramsey out there. They're better with them than without it.
There's no question about that. Absolutely, And we're going.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
To bow out in the first round again.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Thanks. Oh my god, Oh my god. I love Andrew
so great. I like that Charlie was getting fired. Charlie
got hot. Yeah, And what show like to me?

Speaker 5 (37:17):
If it's if you're supposed to be a leader of
the defense, if he's the one that's communicating to me.
That is like, maybe in an indirect way, but that's
a show of leadership. That's a that's a show of like,
I'm not taking this from anybody, Like we're the Steelers defense,
Like what what We're not going to take that.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
I mean, it's it's nuanced. I get where Andrew was
coming from. The best players on the team should be
among the most disciplined.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And there was a lot of time. They need to
be available. There's a lot of time left. Thing.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
It was an eight two. He gave him a first down.
I mean, it was a big deal there, that was
fourth and one.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
But I think I went back a little later after
that to the Joey Porter thing, and you know, you
can't ask a guy to be emotionally charged and vicious
and violent, which is what they have described Ramsey as
as a as terms of environment, and then just say, okay,
go right up to that line, but never cross it.

(38:08):
I mean, yeah, Matt Cook and if well, and if
you get spit on, that's that's not a crackback block
or a bleep talk or something like. He felt he
had to deal with that right then and there. The
way he did, and I can't say he was wrong.
And I also took a little bit of a cue
from Mike Tomin just listening. When the game ends, I

(38:31):
go into the radio booth and I hear Tomlin's press
conference on the headset before we start, and Tomal didn't
laugh it off, but he wasn't livid about it. So
I what I interpreted from Tomlin's remarks was a level
of understanding as to why it happened.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Not not an.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Approval of it or a dismissal of it, but an understanding.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Thank Kinger, this is such a non football thing, you know,
it's sort of outside the lines. And as Mike pointed out,
it's tough to ask these guys to be known for
being violent and give off that air of all you're
gonna run across the middle, You're gonna pay for it,
and keep all those emotions in check. I mean, I
think Andrew, in his call there is asking for this

(39:11):
perfect scenario of Jalen being able to assess the entire
situation and realize that even though he was spat upon,
it was fourth and one and you gave them a
first down and took yourself out of the game. In
the time when we already have too many injuries in
the secondary to lose maybe our best player on defense
right now.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, maybe you shouldn't have been John with Chase to
begin with.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
You know what I mean, if you roll that back
to play after you've to play, after your one penalty
away from being thrown out of the game, maybe you
should just avoid that situation.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
Though.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
That's Jalen Well. I called him the best player on
the defense. I think he kind of has been for
the Steelers. Uh tj Watt yesterday got called for roughing
the passer or you know whatever that is, abusing the
quarterback what do they call it now, where he put
all his weight on him or something like that. Flacco,

(40:04):
I believe that is the case. Uh personally, I'm not sure,
like Jeane's territor, whether or not it constituted roughing the
passer by putting his weight on him. But even if
it did, I'm okay with taking the chance to put
a shot on Joe Flacco and get you one play
closer to Jake Browning at quarterback. Max was beside himself
on that call, and of course we can't hear when

(40:25):
they go to Jeane's territor or whatever I mean. Right,
The only thing I could think of was it certainly
wasn't late was and is that what they said that
they he leaned on him, he put the weight out, Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
He could have done a better job of barrel rolling
off of him, yes, but I have no problem with it.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
That is a difficult spot that they put these defenders in,
but that is the protocol.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yes, you have to be able to hit the guy
and not land on him. Land on him. It's a penalty.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
I was okay with them landing on him even if
it was a penalty, because maybe they won't call it
and at that point in the game knock him out.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Welcome mister Browning. By the way, I hope. I don't
know who the Bengals are playing this week. They're not
playing the They're not putting there. I think that the
Ravens have the Jets and then the Bengals, maybe because
I want to see if they're gonna do something with Chase,
but I don't want to. I certainly would not want
to see him get suspended for the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Patriots. Keep him out there, Okay, okay, good, good, all right?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, the Ravens are the week after and that's a
Thursday night game that's right in Baltimore. That's Thanksgiving. Oh
yeah right, yeah, Thanksgiving night we get Bengals Ravens. Nice
sweet play the over. Rob King with a power hour
of Steeler Talk this morning. This half hour was brought
to you by Clearview Federal Credit Unit. Thanks to Tim Benz,

(41:46):
Thanks to Jerry do you like, Thanks for our budd
Jeff Conkle for hanging out with us this morning as well.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Are you still going to do mister Wednesday this week?

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Yeah, well we got to see but yeah, not to
confuse people more, but yeah, we'll work that up.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, I just wanted to give you a chance to
pimp something if you weren't coming on one.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
No pimping is going on right now. I pimped something
last week. We had a sellout show at Low Love. Yeah,
that was nice.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
How'd to go? It went?

Speaker 5 (42:09):
It went phenomenally well, and I was like going, I've
had like three bad gigs, like sparsely attended beforehand, and
I'm looking around, I'm like wow, like really, I'm like
surprised at it. And my one friend she goes, yeah,
you promoted it. I was like, oh, yeah, I guess
that is how that if you tell people about it,

(42:29):
someone might show up to it.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
The woods and whatnot. Feel the Dreams is all about that.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, so yeah, in the wake of Bill's departure from
the show, here, we're just going to try to figure
out some stuff and have some friends hang out with
us here for the next few weeks while we figure
out what's next. Because that all happened super quick, and
none of us thought it was going to go as
quickly as it all did. But I was really glad
that we got to give him such a sweet send

(42:54):
off last week and it was nice, it was fun,
and that all the listeners showed him as much love
as they did, and he was really feeling it and
it was great. It was great and he deserved it.
So I was really and we had awesome cake afterwards.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
We did have that oak On Bakery take.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
They brought us a cake. I told him it was
almost worth you leaving, Like it was that good that
in the fridge you can get on the way out there. No,
but there's some half eaten like jalapeno pizza in there
that if Johnny Hartwell didn't already heat it up in
the microwave.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
It's all yours.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
That's it for us for today.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Tomorrow on the show, Charlie Batch, Jean's Territory, Billy Gardell
and Joe Bartnick will be live in the studio with us.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Michelle's up next, Kinger. Thank you you're the best. I
appreciate it. That's it for us. Have a great day, everybody.
You stay classy Pittsburgh. Don't touch your face. I got
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