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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We're gonna talk to Paul Seiss of the Post because
at Paul, you heard me just talk about Aaron Rodgers.
Did he just have a bad game at LA this
past Sunday or is it maybe worse than that? Because
he looked rattled and disheveled from the get go.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Uh well, I would say, Mark that he probably had
a bad game, But I and I don't know that
I buy You know, it was that skip by I heard,
Uh was that skip Bayliff that was talking about him
losing his courage and all this other stuff. I don't
know i'd buy that, Mark. I say, what I saw

(00:42):
was a quarterback who could get really disinterested really fast,
you know, things starting to go south. He could start
thinking about being on his fishing boat or whatever, and
you know, uh, why am I here in this cold
weather getting my brains beat in every week?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I think that he had a vision of what
Pittsburgh was and what Tomlin was, and it's very much
disappointed him.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, well, I think that's part of it. Uh, part
of it and I think again, you know, if if
he starts to not have fun, I think that he's
probably a guy. You know. I mean, let's face it,
it took him three months to come to the conclusion
he wanted to play in the first place, So you know,
that tells me, you know, his heart wasn't in it.

(01:28):
I believe why everyone is saying about Russell Wilson, but
that guy was trying to get a job. He has
agent basically putting his name out there for every job.
You know, that guy actually really it looked like wanted
to play. I mean, Aaron Rodgers. I'm not saying he
didn't want to play, but you know, I don't know
that he was, you know, one hundred percent really sold
on the idea of they all do one more year.
So to me, if it goes south a little bit,

(01:51):
which you know it could, I could absolutely see a
scenario where we see a lot more of what we
saw on Sunday, where he just kind of looked this
inner as is sort of like, boy, I really wish
I was, you know, on the beach or in his
you know, tent doing his whatever he does, you know,
is you know, meditation and all that stuff, or whatever

(02:12):
he does. I mean, to me, I think that's probably
the bigger thing to watch, is is he going to
be fully all in if this thing starts to get
a little bit tough.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Have we maybe overrated a little how Rogers has played
so far this season? I think I did. I would
rate his play to this point, including the LA game,
like a C plus. I mean, he's not been bad,
but but you know, he doesn't have a three hundred
yard game yet either.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
No, And I don't think the other part of it
is I don't think that he you know, he is.
I mean I would have to look at the chart.
You don't have to call one of those nerds that
looks at all that, you know, the twenty two the
all twenty two video and charts everything, But I mean,
how many plays over twenty yards have they made? Twenty
five yards? Twenty you know? I mean, I mean, they
don't make explosive plays. And that could be a product

(03:04):
to him, but also could be a product of the
fact that really he's not playing with a whole lot
of firepower, and the one guy that's supposed to be
that guy has probably been the most disappointing player on
the roster if you ask me, and that would be
DK Metcalf. So, you know, I think he's played well
from the standpoint of his mates and throws, and he's
willed this team to win some games they probably wouldn't

(03:26):
have won with other quarterbacks, you know, But in terms
of the explosiveness of the offense, I expected it to
be more than it is.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
The Steelers host Cincinnati Sunday. Joe Flacco is going to
be a quarterback for the Bengals. Why does Flacco have
such success against the Steelers and even more so in
his journeyman phase. He he's only twelve and eleven lifetime,
but you know, he came off the bench to beat
him with Indy, beat him with Cincy earlier this year.
What's going on there? Paul Well, I.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Think part of it is he is you know, I've
seen the defense how many times, you know, and unfortunately
it's been the same defense for fifteen or what nineteen
years now. I think we've seen plenty of evidence to
suggest that the Steelers have not done a good job
under Mike Donald of making their defense creative, different, you know,

(04:19):
or anything else. Every so often, you know, they're throwing
a game like they did last week when they surprised
the Colts with some things, But for the most part,
it's the same defense. And I think the other part
of it is, you know, he's seen so many things
in the NFL. He's pretty good at, you know, checking
stuff down at the line. I mean, if you look
at what he's done this year, it hasn't just been
the Steelers that he you know that he got the

(04:40):
best of He's played really well. I mean, you know,
the reality is if you look at what he's done,
I'm glad that Joe Burrow is coming back and all
that stuff, but I'm not sure that Joe Burrow can
help them unless he plays defense. So I think you've
got a really good veteran quarterback that's seen the Steelers
defense a million times and knows exactly what to do
with Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
And while people are assuming the Steelers are gonna win Sunday,
I don't think it's nearly that simple. While I do
know the Bengals defense sucks, I know the Steelers offense
can stop itself, and if Flat Cup comes out and
has a night, I don't know whether that Steelers offense
can keep up. Paul, what say you?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I agree? One hundred. You know, as bad as the
Bengals defense is, which it is, you know, the one
thing they might be able to do is get some
stops against the Steelers because the Steelers offense is so
predictable and so you know, mundane and in some ways archaic.
I mean, all it takes is the Bengals to get

(05:39):
three or four stops, you know, and maybe one or
two of those is actually a turnover and not a stop.
And yeah, I agree with you. I mean, the Steelers
will be said on it for a couple of field
goals and you know they you know, they have three
or four drives that ended either a punt or an
interception or whatever. You know what I mean. I could
absolutely see the Bengals is basically score outscoring them and

(06:02):
winning the game. And I don't know that Blacko's gonna
go up and down the field like he did the
last time. But I don't know why there's all this
like optimism that the Steelers are just well, you know what,
it'll be different this time. I don't know that I
completely buy that either.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Uh is the bloom finally off Tomlin's rose. The national
media is having doubts. The local media is having doubts.
I think even the local fans are having doubts.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, it's fine. It's
it's finally, I think to the point where when you've
got guys like Rich Eisen, you know, who's who spent
the last three or four years scolding anybody from Pittsburgh
that had the idea that maybe it's time to move
on from Tomlin, When you got guys like that starting
to say, you know, this might be you know time,

(06:52):
it might have run its course, this, you know, all
that other stuff, that tells me that finally people are
starting to take a look at Mike Tomlin and his
actual resume over the last fifteen years. As I've said
many times, you know, really the first three or four years,
when he had a team that was already built to
win a Super Bowl, uh, with a you know, with

(07:14):
a quarterback coming into his primehood.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Already went and Paul had the culture and the leaders
just as important.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Right, right, right, If you take those first four or
five years, but his last fifteen years he's basically been
Marty Schottenheimer, that's what he is. And his last eight
years he's in Marvin Lewis. So you know sooner or later.
I mean, winning in the playoffs has to matter for something.
And I think what people, uh, these you know, a

(07:41):
lot of these national guys and you know been you know,
complete homers for Tomlin are starting to really really take
a look at it is the fact that you know,
he hasn't won in a long long time.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well, I get angry. I'm mad that he needs eleven
more wins to pass Chuck Knowle as the all time
winning a Steeler because no two were not even remotely
in the same class. And it kind of irks me
that people see him as a nailed on Hall of
Famer too, because again, like you said, Paul, if you
look at his resume, he just isn't.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I mean, honestly, if you if he was, you know,
say he takes the you don't know who's the team,
it stinks Carra I guess Caroline, the Saints or somebody like.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
That, the Giants. People talk about him going to the Giants,
maybe even being traded to the Giants, which we know
has no chance of.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Happening, right of course.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, let's say he takes over our bad franchise
and has five or six, you know, probably five like
say five years where he you know, he has a
you know, a couple of four and thirteens. And in
this I mean, if his winning percentage gets lowered, you know,
to a point where you start to look at it
and compare it to other people, I mean I would
I would argue that, you know what, he probably could

(08:51):
coach his way out of the Hall of Fame. I mean,
right now, his winning percentage is high up, and he
does have a super Bowl and you know there's a
number of things like that and the division titles and
all that. But if he had another like say he
has a year this year, we didn't win a playoff game,
and then he goes somewhere else and has four or
five years where he doesn't have any success at all.
I mean, I agree with you, and you know, it's

(09:12):
it's funny to me. There are whole bunch of people
that get all works up when you say something to
the effect of, well, you know, he did win with
a team built by somebody else. They lose their minds
and basically, you know, try and say that you're disrespecting
Tomlin and blah blah blah. The even bring the racial
stuff into it. And my answer is always this, Why
isn't George Seaffert in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Why is it Mike Shanahan in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, why isn't George Seffert? Why is it?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
How about Barry Switzer? I mean the bottom place?

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh no, I get you Switzer both in hairing and
championship teams that wasn't seen as their wing.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
But I think, and I honestly think Seffert would be
in the Hall of Fame if he didn't take the
job with it with Carolina, because you know, if he
if he if he just retired, you know when they
went when his contract was up and they basically said,
we're moving on on from you in San Francisco. Had
he retired, I bet you he'd be in the Hall
of Fame. But he went to where it was at
Carolina to think for four years, and his teams were

(10:10):
terrible when he got fired, and you know what, that
probably is held against them. So I think the similar
thing could happen with Hamlin.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Paul, I want to get a little quick pit talking,
because you're a pit guy. Your son played for the Panthers.
How crazy is it? The Paton Rdoozi said, with college
game day here with number nine versus number twenty two
Notre Dame, such a tradition. There the fiftieth anniversary of
Tony Dorset going crazy against Notre Dame and establishing pit

(10:38):
as a power for that era, Nordoozy said, beating Notre
Dame doesn't matter. How crazy is that?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah? I mean I think that he, you know, sometimes
says these things that really come back to haunt him
a little bit, and this one to me, I mean,
I don't know if he's trying to downplay it with
his players, which I always say coaches are just silly.
Players know what's at stake, okay, And it doesn't matter
what us as media guys or we talk about on

(11:07):
the air, but we write about all week. You know what,
You can try and downplay games as much as you want,
but the reality is your players know what's at stake
and know how big of a game this is. It
It's kind of funny. I sent a text to e J.
Borghetti I said that day when that quote came out,
I said, EJ, your coach needs you to go come

(11:28):
save him from himself again. So you know, it was
one of those things where we were laughing about the
idea that you know, sometimes he just says these things
that are silly. But the reality is, Mark, if they
win this game, and I think this is something that
you know is probably not talked about enough, and they
win their next too, even if the tie breakers don't

(11:51):
fall their way to get to the ACC championship game,
they could have an outside chance of being in that
large team at ten and two with three wins against
ranked opponents against the at the end of the year.
So like, to me, this is a really big game.
And and and I think he knows that. I just
think that he was trying to downplay it for whatever reason.

(12:11):
You know, these coaches have all these weird things about
how all they don't want their players to be tight
and nervous and all this stuff. Look, your players know
what's at stake. They're gonna go and they're gonna play,
and they're either gonna win or lose based on how
they play. We just stop with this kind of stuff.
The coaches, you know how they are, they're all in
the same fraternity when it comes to this kind of paranoia.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Finally, Paul the baseball writer Ken Rosenthal reports that the
Pirates want to spend in free agency. Sherrington obviously told
him that because it came out of the GM meetings.
I don't believe that. I think it's a plant that
keeps sucking Pirate fans in to keep them engaged. What
say you?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, you know, I sent an email to the to
them as well, and I would love to date Holly Berry,
but I'm not sure. I'm not sure you know what
that actually means.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
She still looks real good, by the way. I don't
blame you.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
She's incredible. That's my point. Like, my point is when
when you know the Pirates are the kings of oh,
we're gonna do this, and we'd like to look into
this or you know, and they leak it out to
some of the people that I don't know, for whatever reason, uh,
give them the ability to just basically say these kinds
of nonsensical things like if you're Ken Rosenthal, you've been

(13:25):
covering this for how long? You know? Damn well, But
that doesn't mean a thing that this team is not
going to go out and sign anybody, right, But you know,
for whatever reason, they just parrot these kinds of talking points,
and of course, the Pirate hanks in this town and
then and the goofballs that still believe guess what, They

(13:46):
jump all over and say, you see they are going
to do something.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Well, Paul, it's funny you say that because we just
had the Corsi on and I said that they'll trade
schemes when he gets a big arbitration award. He said,
if they do that, that could you turn the fans?
And I said no, because then they'll just have the
same investment in Connor Griffin. If you've been screwed by
the parts for this long, you have Stockholm syndrome, you're

(14:10):
gonna keep letting it.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Happen, right, And you're you're exactly right, because if they
trade schemes, it'll be someone that will be to somebody
like the Yankees who have a really good farm system
and the same people that that that put the stuff
out there all the time on social media basically trying
to say we're.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
All wrong about the pirates.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, then explain how it was an incredible haul of
all these prospects and wait, do you see what they
all turn into? You know that's gonna happen. And then
so to me, I think what's funny, though, Mark is
I don't think people fully understand this. But if let's
say Paul Schemes goes out and wins the cy Young
next year, right, okay, next year, he's still playing for

(14:52):
the nine hundred and eighty thousand or whatever. But if
he's going into arbitration on back to back cy youngs,
what is that are gonna be?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Like, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it might it
might be fifty million, No kidding.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right now, zero chancel parts are gonna pay that. So
to me, you know, I've said to people, it won't
shock me if at the next trade deadline, you know
what they trade him.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Paul has always great stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
We'll talk next week, all right, man, thanks, we'll see it.

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You people wouldn't understand that because you don't have groins.
I'd love to get a hold of Brett Hart and
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(16:06):
a hold of Brett, Tom producer, get a hold of Brett.
See if Eve remembers who I am. I think he
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(16:29):
except on skates. I hear that SoundBite that I was
just talking about with Paul Zeis. It's Ken Rosental, the
baseball writer, about how the Poates are gonna look to
spend more. Let's hear that yesterday.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
I'm talking to some people here just the first day
of the GM meetings. I heard that the Morlands and
Pirates are telling agents, Hey, we'd like to be aggressive.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
We'd like to spend a little bit now.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
That can be in free agency, or it can be
in the matter of taking on salaries in trades. So
I don't know the exact answered your question, Richard, but
I do expect that we're going to see some of
this kind of activity, and not just from the big
spending teams that have tons of prospects. You may see
it from some other clubs as well.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's all just a lie. Sherington told him that Rosenthal
passed it on. Sherrington is a liab beteck. He's suffering
from liabetes. It's absolute horseman or. The Pirates get that
stuff out there every year to keep the citizens engaged,
and then the season starts and the payroll still sucks,
as does the team. But nothing doesn't need to convince

(17:37):
the citizens. He needs to convince Paul Skins, because, according
to NJ dot com that website, which is actually relatively credible,
Skins is telling teammates he has no confidence in the
Pirates organization that it can't win and wants to play
for the New York Yankees. You'd have to be a
fool to believe the Pirates will spend more till you

(17:59):
see it, And what good player would want to come
to Pittsburgh anyway. You got Tommy Famm last year because
nobody wanted him, nobody wanted him. I bet he goes
elsewhere this year after Goodyear with the Pirates, Skeen's gonna
get the cy Young tonight. He's gonna be out of
here sooner than you think. Sei's just part of a
good point. What if Skeens wins the cy Young again

(18:22):
next year and his first arbitration year is on the
back of winning the cy Young Awards two years in
a row. He could get a fifty freaking million dollar award. Yeah,
not that he's gonna pay that. Oh and how I'll
laugh haha, I laugh at you, not with you. Okay,
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And now the super genius Mark mad how you doing good?
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X at one O five nine Penguins are in Sweden
for two games against Nashville. Joining me now is a
man who was a hero the last time the Penguin
went to Sweden, the Stanley Cup CHAMPIONI own nine. He

(20:59):
is Tyler Kenn TK. You guys started off that season,
the Stanley Cup winning season of eighth nine, going to
Sweden and playing Ottawa. And it says here that you
scored two goals in a game, were named the first Star,
and scored an overtime. Tell us the details there. You
seem surprised, Mark, No, no, no, pleasantly pleasantly so if

(21:22):
at all?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
It was just a lot of excitement. Obviously the first
game of the year, and I was still in my mind,
still trying to make the team. So when I scored
the first goal and then they got put out in
the overtime, again, I was a ball of energy and
I just had a good opportunity. I came down the
wing and I ended up shooting through the defenseman and
snuck in and it kind of started. It kicked off

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a really good year for me.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
That confidence that I got.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Early in the season from those two goals and being
over there, being even more part of the team really
helped me really establish that I was an NHL player.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, and when you were a young guy and you
consider yourself to be on the fringe, getting a big
goal like that early that that kind of means a
lot to the team and kind of get you some gravitas,
doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
And you know, when I see Ben Kindle and he's
starting to score, and you can see the confidence growing
and I and I watch them and I can see
and I can feel how it feels to score early
in your career, early in the season, because it's such
a confidence game when you're younger, because you're coming in,

(22:39):
you're young, you're full of energy, but there's so many
in your mind. There's so many questions because you go
from playing with teenagers to playing with adults, and you're like,
am I good enough to play in this league? And
once you get one or two goals, you're like, no, No,
I can play in this league. I can play against anyway.
You kind of almost get like cocky, which you need

(23:00):
to be because it's really hard to stay in the
league and you need that to be confident. You know,
you need to have that confidence. So starting off early
and being a fringe guy, the more points you get
in early in the season really kind of propels you
throughout the rest of the year. Because I as a
player that was a third and fourth line guy, I

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always felt going into the year that pressure to get
that first goal under my belt, and the longer it lasted, honestly,
the more I squeezed my sick and when I scored
those two goals, it was almost like a whole new
TK coming back to the US and that helps you

(23:43):
so much. Again, I can't emphasize how much pressure it
is for a player, as a fringe player or a
third and fourth line guy to get that first one
out of the way, because that's what you're looking for.
You're looking for that little bit of confidence to get
you going.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Now, what else do you remember from that trip to Sweden? Specifically?
Did you go to the Abba Museum?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know what mark. I'm gonna be honest, I don't
remember that much. I just remember, you know, we had
that scavenger hunt that was just so much fun. And
you know the guys all being around.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Now landmarks, what was that about?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, they had a bunch of different like landmarks throughout
the whole city. So it made you go explore Sweden.
It made you get out of your room, get to
know your teammates outside drink. And that's why I think
it's good for the Penguins because it gets them. It
gets the new guys very familiar with the older guys

(24:42):
because when you're in Pittsburgh and you're younger or you're
new to the team, a lot of these guys have
been around for a long time and it's hard to
get time with them, right because some guys they leave
the rink and they go see their family or they
have other obligations when they're away. And when you're in
Sweden that you're with the team, the whole time. So
when you do stuff like that, you just get so

(25:03):
close as a team. And when you look at that team,
we had some real characters on that team, Like we
had some guys that were a lot like we had
Paul Vissanette, we had Talbot, we had some.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Guys turned Cookie Loose and Swede my god, exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
And that's another thing I remember, Like, I think we
are there for over a week. I think we went
out five of the seven nights. It was insane. It
wasn't like we were partying like crazy, but every guy
would go for dinner.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's a bond. It's gonna be awesome, It's got I
mean that. That's what a great start to a great
season in so many levels.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, and that, and I think it's it's good. You
know again, when you do that, it's so good for
the guys like you know, the Brunicks, the guys like
that that need to feel welcomed into the team. Again,
there's still only a month into being on it NHL team.
They still need that literary reist assurance being around the guys.

(26:05):
And you know, I would be I would imagine there's
a lot of pranks going on within the team. There's
a lot of team bonding. I know they did, like
a sauna and stuff like that. That's what you need
because all the teams that I ever won with were
the closest and they had, you know, the characters that
would bring different characteristics to a team. I was on

(26:28):
one of the Penns podcasts today and they're like, well,
tell me about like Dupu and Tealbot, and I'm like,
it was unique guys that are different and from different
places to make it fun to go to the rink.
Because when you go to the rink and you have
Pascal Dupu have it. He used to do this dance Mark.
Everyone would sit around the dress room and Pascal would

(26:51):
turn on music and turn the lights down and he
would do this dance in his jock and it was
it was one of the things that everyone Mark. Everyone
was crying, laughing. And then you'd have Marc Andre Flurry
like sewing your pants together. But those kind of guys,

(27:11):
when you're around them a lot, they're like your brothers.
And even you know, when I broke in, me and
l Tang were rookies and those guys used to do
so many you know, pranks against us. But I loved
it because it made me feel like I was like
their younger brother, and that's what made you know, that
team special. And I think it's such a great thing

(27:35):
for the young guys and the old guys to go
on these little, you know, series, because it makes you
close to the team and you just spend more time
and it's like that bonding that sometimes it gets two
routine ish, going to the same places every time and
sitting with the same guys. You know, when you go

(27:55):
to Philadelphia, guys go to the same restaurants, you go
to New York. You know, it gets really routine ish
when you go there. No one knows anything, so everyone
has to come together and figure out what to do.
So it's it's it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
We're talking to Tyler Kennedy here on the X. You
can see him on Sport and at Pittsburgh on Penguin
Game Nights TK. When you played for the Penguin, the
coach Dan Bosman, he was really big on practicing the shootout,
wasn't he.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
He was real big, And you know, I think we
probably did it after every second practice, and I felt
like that extra point in the shootout meant, I think
there was a lot more attention to that shootout. That's
when they really actually started to really look at players,
to really take it a lot more serious. In that

(28:45):
shoot It used to be like, you know, just sending
your best two players. Then in my air with Dan,
he was like, no, no, we need guys that are
real that we know have a really good chance. And
they used to start in practice, you know, we'd have
guys doing their move and the more you practice, just
like everything, you just get better at it. And the

(29:07):
one thing I'm surprised Dan used to send chrys Latang,
And I think it's really good to send a young
player because a lot of these guys, a lot of
these goalies they've seen sid, they've seen Milkin, they've seen Latang,
they've seen some of these guys. When you look up
the ice and you have a guy that you've never
even seen the league, you have no idea any of

(29:29):
his tendencies, Like if you have Ben Kindall coming down,
you would have no idea what his thought process exactly.
And I do think that throws some goalies off. Again,
when you think of chrys Latang, he used to do
so many shootouts at the very beginning, and he was
so good at him because no goalie had to read

(29:51):
on him, right, no goalie knew who this guy was,
why he was a defense and taking a shootout he
was so successful. So I'll be interesting to see when
they get the next shootout if they changed the lineup
of who's shooting.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well because practicing, which they had not been I mean,
Sullivan never practiced it at all, and News didn't n
till this week.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, And like, honestly, like when you think of how
we've not made the playoffs out of the you know,
the two three points, like if we would have won
some of those games in a shootout, like that would
have put us into the playoffs, you know. And I
think they're finally especially with News. I think he's adapting
really quick right now. And I think it does show

(30:36):
he's a good coach because, like you said, Mike Sullivan,
he was here for how long. They never practice and
it's like, dude, we had Like I feel like Philadelphia
Flyers picked up Trevor ziegris purely pretty close to just
on a shootouts performance because.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
It's a big factor, a big factor.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Huge factor, and you can see if people are like
taking this a lot more because it means a lot
And again, I just feel that the Penguins understand and
there they're adapting to what they need. And when you
see Dan News within the first twenty games already okay,

(31:15):
we need to be better at the shootouts and starting
to practice, I'm like, Wow, this guy he's adapting and
he's he's making things work, like he's working on the
craft of making this team get those extra points in natchet.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
And observing TK who can do it and who can't,
which you know, other than that, like you said, a
lot of teams just send their best players. But what
I'm worried about is the goal tench because Shiloffs has
allowed seven goals in eight shootout attempts Jari historically he's
not been better. How can you make the goalies improve?
I guess practice helps. And if Shiloffs continues to struggle

(31:51):
at this level and practice, would you sub in the
other goalie if he gets to a shootout again? I
know nobody does that, but you need those points.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Well. I think the NHL is getting so advanced right,
and I think what you're gonna start seeing is before
every game there's a sheet and it's got a rundown
of every player with their tendency. You know, we can
pick anyone. Say let's just go with Trevor Zegers. We're
just talking about high end skill. Make him play like
this is what it would stay on this piece of paper.

(32:22):
Trevor Zegers, elite playmaker, great shootout guy, you know. Make
him play well in his own end and you'll be successful.
But what I think now is going to happen is
I think the coaching staffs are going to start being like, hey,
these are they're four shooters in the shootout. These are
his three moves. So I think the goalies are more

(32:46):
prepared on the tendencies of the guys coming at them right, like,
you know, when they have that little bit of break
where everyone comes into the bench. I think you're going
to have someone telling the goalie or even before going,
hey we play Philly Ziegers comes in real wide, comes
in slow, tries to go five.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Hole, don't they dk?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
But I've never seen them ever watch just shootout.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
They've watched good Point, they watched.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
The power play, penalty kill, all that stuff. I don't
think they've ever sat down and be like, Okay, if
we get in the shootout situation, especially with the teams
we play a lot right right, like Philadelphia and New
York Long Island, you should know their three guys in
the shootout in what their tendencies are.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Now you and by the way, shootout stats is it's
like the dark web TK. It's tough to find. But
but I have you done as zero for three in
the shootout? Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I get I was really honestly, I was really good
at the HL and that those moves didn't work in
the NHL.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I'm certainly not trying to ridicule, but what makes a
good shooter in the shootout?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well, I think one confidence. I think you know, you
don't realize when you play in a game, you realize
there's eyes on everyone, But when the games on the
line and you go and you pick up that puck,
you got to have a calmness, a belief in your skill.
And sometimes I feel like that pressure got to me

(34:23):
and my moves.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Wouldn't be rock solid.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
When you see guys that come in they have a
lot of moves in their bag, like say, they have
four good moves depending on where the goalie is in
the net, and they don't think about it, it comes
like second nature right when you think of guys like
one of the best was Eric Christensen. His hands were

(34:47):
so good, but he did never really have to look
at the puck. He already knew.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
It was like a breakaway. He took it like a breakaway.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
It was real smooth, exactly, but his eyes were on
the goalie, seeing where he was in that and how
he moved back or where he was. Because now what
you're seeing is, you know, the really good guys in
the NHL, what they're doing now is either they're going really.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Wide and going lateral, or.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
They're slowing down and trying to get the goalie out
of position by going really fast.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's unnatural. Like you said, crusher, he just took it
like a breakaway. And it's funny too because he had
a variety of moves TK. But but you know how
many times did he just open up the guy under
the blocker with that forehand, I mean just a little
dip of the shoulder and bang, and like you said,
so natural.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, and again it some guys have like I obviously
teach hockey, and some guys just have that ability to
score goals and find the holes and do those little hitches.
It's like, you know, like roller hockey, guys that play
roller hockey and then they come to ice, their their

(36:01):
movements and their little wageiss and how they dangle is
like unbelievable because they have no choice, you know. And
when you see guys that go in right like I
when I teach, I'm like, this kid's a roller hockey
or a deck hockey. His hands are unbelievable, right, Like
he he's got that in tight space. Space is hands right.
But when you see Eric Christensen, he'd come in and

(36:24):
again he he already knew what he was going to
do off the goalie. And now I feel like it's
everything's such a such a science, and there's so many
guys getting these private like, yeah, they think too much,
but I do think that's the way the game's going.
Like it's you know, everyone's trying. It's so competitive that

(36:46):
if anyone could get an edge on someone, they're gonna
do it. You know. That's why all these guys have
their own skill.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Guy.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
But you know, when you do change speeds and you
do go lateral, you're trying to throw the goalie off
his angles. And sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't you know.
But that's that's what I'm seeing now. And it's like
you can tell those top guys have such a plan
and have a thought process way before they pick up

(37:16):
that puck.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
TK, great stuff, Thank you for taking the time. Hey,
if it would have been up to me, I would
have let you take a lot more shootouts.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, either either barred down mark or I'm missing the net.
But it's gonna look hard.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
You know again.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
You know what though, like it was one of those
things that when I broke into the AHL, a guy said, TK,
you're gonna get an opportunity to shoot out. You're you're
I was like a third round pick, but you're gonna
get opportunity. He just said, TK, you gotta have a
move that you know how to do with speed or
without speed that you never that you knew how to

(37:52):
sell it right. You just need to be really good
at one. And I was good at one. But if
the goalie didn't bite on that first move, I was
I was in trouble. And sometimes he didn't, so again it.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Was it's nerve wracking.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
I I still remember, you know, you pick up the
pocket eat my heart rate was like one thirty, you know,
like it was up there. I don't think everyone was
up there, but I don't think that was part It
was part of my game, but it wasn't so I
still it was still fun to be picked.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I feel like it could have gone better given more chances.
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Speaker 3 (39:41):
I super genius? With the betting scandals hitting basketball and baseball,
do you think that football and hockey or possibly next.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I think those games are tougher to fix visa v
prop bets, don't you? I mean, what prop a football
player or a hockey player that's easily done?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I don't know, bumbles, maybe I don't know something.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
No, no, but but don't forget like like Will Bond said,
the Cleveland pitchers, for example, throwing a ball in the
first pitch that doesn't affect the game's outcome. The basketball player,
the sub guy begging off injured to hit the under
minutes played prop that doesn't affect who wins the game.

(40:31):
So while it's not harmless, I see Will Bun's point
about being why should I care if those guys get punished?
I get it it's against league policy, but it doesn't
bother me as a sportsman, because again, the outcome was
not affected.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I mean, can you think of even one bet in
hockey or football that would be easily reached by one player?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
To be honest, though, I can't, but.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I mean the goalies could leak in enough to hit
the over, but I mean that would affect the outcome.
I think like in Ortiz, the pitcher for Cleveland. I
think him throwing a ball on the first pitch to
win five grand or whatever it was. Maybe it was
the other pitcher that did that to win that. But
it's no real harm done. You're not throwing the game.
You're not really even double crossing your teammates. Let's go

(41:23):
to a talkback.

Speaker 8 (41:25):
Hey Newman, here, the other day you played the clip
of Rex Ryan using the expression feet for hands to
describe Steeler receivers. I was curious whether you think he
considers that to be a compliment given his sexual proclivities.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Well, he's a foot fetish guy, and I would think
that feet for hands is a way of life for
Rex Ryan. Good stuff, Newman. Let's go to a talkback.

Speaker 8 (41:45):
Double m Why don't fans understand no player in their
prime is trying to play for coach T.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Well, I don't know if that's true, but I think
I'm like Tomlin, maybe for the wrong reasons, maybe because
he's a player's coach to a distracting to a negative
degree rather but like a Santi Samuel Jr. Who's like,
you know, who knows if he can play or not
the after the spinal fusion, and you know who knows

(42:17):
what world he's gonna step into. I don't care why
he came to Pittsburgh because I don't think he's gonna help.
He might, I'd risk it. I'd start him this week.
I would barely having been on a team, but I
would to see if he can help with Jamar Chase.
I would. But I wish if guys want to come
to play in Pittsburgh because of my Tomlin, I wish

(42:38):
that he would attract better players. But as far as
Samuel goes, he came to Pittsburgh not because of Tomlin,
no matter what anybody says. He came to Pittsburgh because
their defensive backfield stinks and he feels like he can
get on the field right away. Aaron Rodgers came to
Pittsburgh not because of Tomlin, but because nobody else really
wanted him. Let's go to Ryan, Ryan, you're all with

(42:58):
double M.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Hey, Mark, have you seen a new show with Ray
Seahorn at Floribus.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
No, it's a good.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
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Speaker 3 (43:12):
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not zombies. They are still like alive.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
It's okay, weird utopia kind of zombies. Nope, not interested,
Let's go to a talk back.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Mark. Does a city O coach get an apology if
he's able to rebound and get the Steelers to a
playoff win?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
If he wins a playoff game, I ain't gonna apologize
because that's what he's supposed to do and we've waited
long enough for it. But well, he ain't gonna so
it don't matter.