November 11, 2025 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Because I got a few more problems with the Steelers.
They are not coming up, not like a flower, not
like anything else.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
In fact, they're going down like Grandpa. As you know what.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Number one, I've overestimated how well Aaron Rodgers is playing.
Our buddy Scarps tweeted this out. Rogers ranks third interception percentage.
That's the bad third, not the good third. He's twenty
second in completed air yards eleventh and passer rating in
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twelfth in completion percentage.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Those are man. He's not had a three hundred yard.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Game yet, and he was beyond awful at Los Angeles.
So maybe on the year, I'd gradem a C plus,
which would still make him the Steelers team MVP. And
I've heard further that Rogers is bothered a lot by
that story we're in the New York Post that suggests
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his wife might not exist, that Steelers wives and girlfriends
called her a fandom that they had not seen. And
as I said yesterday, he's not upset about the story
so much as he is that Steelers wives and girlfriends
appear to have cooperated and anonymously two. My other problem, well,
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I got a lot of problems, and you people are
gonna hear about them. Tom Win talked today about Jalen
Warren not playing on third down and not getting more
touches than he is, and Tomlin said to Steelers have
to convert more on third down to get Warren out
there again for first and second and get him more touches.
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And okay, they do, But why can't Warren play on
third down?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Tomlin friggin ran Nagy till the wheels fell off, and
Bell and Parker, etc. And tom On has eckles covering kicks,
covering punts and then goes out there, plays defensive back
and gets torched by McConkey at LA. So why can't
Warren ever play on third dount? And I'll tell you
why because Tomin likes to stick with his formula, whether
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it works or not, because to adjust the formula is
to admit he's wrong. Now, the safety thing with Ramsey
and Dugger, which looks like it's going to continue, that
was made necessary by injury, but in terms of something
not working, and Tomlin then acknowledging that and making a change,
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that's him admitting he's wrong, which he just does not do.
And then Matt Williamson our football guru with a bunch
of kill shots on Twitter. The Steelers are second last
in the league in time of possession at twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The Bengals are second last, rather by just a few seconds.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Steelers at twenty seven, Bengals at like twenty six minutes
and fifty seconds, so Sunday's game might be.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Just fifty four minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
The Steelers average three point eight yards per rushing attempt.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's the third worst in the league.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The Steelers are worst in the league at explosive run
percentage at just two point five percent. That's all for
Matt Williamson and Scarps noted that the Steelers haven't total
twenty more first downs.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
In the last ten games.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They've gone ten games without getting twenty or more first downs.
It's not a good football team, and it's old, so
it won't get better.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's not gonna rally.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Cabali said that the Steelers won't fire Mike Tomlin before
the draft because it would take away from the events. Okay,
but they're not gonna fire tom no matter what. Kabali
knows that. But I do think they're putting a lot
of eggs in that draft basket. By way, get renovations
paid by the city in County for Acrosure Stadium.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And Art's all about money. Art's not like Dan or well,
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
The chief was all about because he was kind of
a buffoon with a cigar who founded the team and
made the playoffs once in almost fifty years till he
handed almost forty years until he handed the team over
to his kids. But Art cares about money. Dan cared
about money, but also winning. Art has a lot of
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investment in this draft so he can get a payout
from it at the end.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But when you hear they didn't trade picks because they
want that moment at the podium and now they won't
fire the coach because they don't want to take away
from the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Is the draft more important than winning football games?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And by the way, if you drafted better, you'd be
winning more football games. And like I said, the Steelers
just won fire tom whever Cabaldi said that would not
hold keeping Tomlin, that they could get rid of him
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even this year if the season went to hell like
they lost out went five and twelve. But to me,
the last decade has been hell for this team and
this time and our expectations. This the mushy middle. No
winning a playoff game, no hope with making a playoff
run for Pittsburgh for the Steelers, for Pittsburgh football fans,
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that's hell. And I don't need to hear how they'd
be grateful in Cleveland for what the Steelers are doing
if the Browns did it because a f Cleveland. But
the Brons beat the Steelers in a playoff game in
twenty twenty one, I bet they were grateful for that.
Like I said, Dougar and Ramsey will stay at starting safeties.
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Tomlin says he likes the stability. Yeah, this team is
real stable. One Thornhill got cut, so his stay with
that great defense was not exactly historic. This is the
Mark Madden Show. It's Veterans Day, so way to go veterans.
Bad m efforts. They allow America to be free, except
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we're not. Well, I mean, we're freer than most, So
thank you. You can follow me on Twitter at Mark
Madden X. Let's bring on Tommy Radio.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Tom. Have Steeler fans accepted that.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
This team isn't very good, that it's it's i mean,
a one and done team in the playoffs and that
is the absolute ceiling.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I don't know if they've accepted it yet, but the
statistics pretty much all point to it, even when you
just play well.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think it's to say the numbers don't lie and
they spilled disaster for you at sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Even when you boil those numbers down to like the
most basic right, just like total defense yards allowed, total
offense yards gained, they're in the bottom in both of
those categories. Points per game they're trending down. They were
at twenty five, but now they're around like twenty third.
They're getting towards the bottom. And you look at points
per game allowed as a defense, I mean they're in
the company of teams like the Raiders. I mean it's disgusting, honestly.
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So everywhere you look, it's just pointing to them being
a not very good football team.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
That Cincinnati game is going to be intriguing because the
Cincinnati defense can't stop anybody, but the Steelers offense can
stop itself, and Cincinnati's offense could score points. Joe Burrow
said today that he expects the Bengals to be in
the division race till the end of the season, and
that's with him being not at least a couple more weeks,
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you would think, maybe longer, and with Flacco at quarterback,
which tells me he thinks that Flacco and the Bengals
could beat the Steelers this Sunday at.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Acrisure, Absolutely he does. How could he not when he
just winkitness I do too. He just witnessed it two
three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I picked the Steelers. But I bet this game has
its peaks and valleys.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I mean, I know it was in Sinci the last matchup,
but still, he just saw Joe Flacco and the Bengals
beat the Steelers. And well, you said about the Steelers
offense stopping itself is so key in this game, cause
I don't think the Bengals are going to be able
to rally ultimately and get back in the playoff picture.
Because even if they beat the Steelers, their defense so bad,
it doesn't matter which Joe's playing quarterback, They're going to
lose more games down the stretch. But in this game,
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the Steelers offense just gets in its own way. Like
you said, if it keeps going three and out and
giving that Bengals offense more and more opportunities, be hard
to play keep up with them.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I rewatched that game from Sunday night. Rogers was tiptoeing.
He just bailed on a lot of plays. Do you
agree that I've overrated the way he's played this season?
Would you grade him at a higher than a C plus?
And what about this New York Post story, Because Tom,
I'm hearing the that's true that he's bothered and he
doesn't like the Steelers wives and girlfriends anonymously cooperated.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I get why he wouldn't like that too, don't you.
I understand that that's a little bit especially.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
If the wives of players and girlfriends in sports have
never contributed in a positive fashion, and maybe never's too
strong a word. Maybe it's been negative ninety five percent
of the time.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Except for Peyton Manning's wife who took the rap on
that HGH delivery at his house back when he was
going to Denver. You diffuse the next A great wife,
great wife, great move, all about business there, but like
especially if okay, so it's true this new wife or
Ann Rogers has not been around the team, so he
obviously wants her to stay private. They want privacy, and
this is a total violation of that privacy.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's his business that's their business. Do I think he
has a fake wife?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
No? But I mean, and I feel uncomfortable talking about
it because because the New York Post shouldn't have written
about it, or at the very least, the Steelers' wags
should not have cooperated in the story.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Made it up, which I'm not putting past them.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
But but but that the idea for that story came
from somewhere.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Back to what you're saying about, did you overrate him?
I don't think you did to this point, but I
think it's fair to worry about if things are gonna
start to go south moving forward as the season wears on,
he starts to fade because of his age and that
offensive line. If they get worse now all of a sudden,
if they start taking a turn in the wrong direction,
then you're gonna start seeing the same stuff that you
saw against the Chargers, the tiptoe and the uncomfortableness in
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the pocket. I think C plus to this point is
a little harsh. I'd probably be in the B range,
but I think it's fair to worry that it's gonna
be more C plus moving forward.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He should Aaron should take the missus to McCartney tonight
they could sit with me. That should be your introduction
to Pittsburgh. I think should enjoy it.
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Speaker 1 (11:24):
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Speaker 2 (11:35):
Reeling off stage?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
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Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's not a relic from my Nimby's good Oh wait,
that not not.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
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Speaker 1 (11:57):
By the loan of a Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
We'll be there, I'll be there. McCartney at PPG tonight.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's rock show which invokes led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page as
you heard, and Paul won't be playing it tonight. I
don't think so, so I had to hear it now.
I got a tweet. What are you doing playing music
during a sports show? No, it's a Mark Madden show.
And if you don't think Paul McCartney in town tonight
is more significant than your bummy football team on the
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vergic collapse. I'm afraid I've built some bad news. Everybody
does lists all the time in my profession.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So here's a list for you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Overrated Steelers And why Number five is Will Howard because
the number three quarterback always is. Number four is Darnell Washington.
The fans love him because he's not Washington, but he's
just a big lug. He's man, just some oath.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Number three is Pat Friarmouth because you can yell mooth.
That's why you like him.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
But he's a marginal weapon, really can't block and isn't
worth the contract they gave him. Number two is Zach Frasier.
He's a decent center, no better. He's not Pompsi, not Webby,
not dirt. Really, he's a big fat hillbilly. But you
love him because we believe every Steelers center is a
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hall of Famer. And number one is TJ.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Watt. You like him because you all have his jersey.
He used to be great.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
He's a Hall of famer, but now he's making forty
one mil and he's a xerox of a xerox of
a xerox. Pretty soon you won't be able to see
him at all. I'm not trying to insult. I'm not
trying to hate. I'm just trying to make you get it. Tom,
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you heard the list.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
What do you think? Who are your most overrated Steelers?
Do any conflict with my list?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think it's a masterfully done list. He named like
four bumps and then TJ Watt, So I mean, that's
just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Zach Fraser's not a bums gots because you're a pit die,
right and he's a mountaineer. But as I always say,
and people don't get this no matter how many times
I say it, Like I'll run into people at my
viewing parties, how would you call so and so overrated?
And I say, well, you see, you think when I
say he's overrated, that means he stinks. Zach Fraser's very good.
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He's never gonna make all Pro. He's just a very good,
above average center. That's it, and history will bear that out.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Is Peyton Wilson getting overrated at all? Is it too
early to say that? Is he maybe properly rated? He
could be pretty good action I think.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He overrates himself himself the best cover quarterback in football
in the world.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Excuse me, but you see he's still a young guy. Yeah,
they're still promising that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think he's gonna come on. So, you know, I
wouldn't yet call him overrated. I'm not sure how many
people rate him, is my point.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm worried that. And we talked about this a little
bit yesterday.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But DK Metcalf is overrated, and we overrated him when
the Steelers made that trade, and the Steelers themselves overrated
him by handing him out that contract that pays him
thirty million dollars a year, because I know he's getting
all the coverage, and Matt Williamson said that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
They're rolling on over to him number one. What being
chip don't matter what, Dk, you know, being double teamed.
He's a number one receiver. You make the money. You're
a number one receiver, Go make the catching.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Matt Williams had sounds something that I, you know, kind
of googled, and a lot of people agree with Matt.
Why wouldn't they? He knows everything that DK Metcalf loves
a lot to be desired on combat.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Catches, which is so strange, right because his build would
let you think that he would just be going up
on jump balls like crazy, like that would be his mo.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Just throw it up and he'll outmuscle people.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
They have a phrase for that. Tom looks like Tarzan,
plays like Jane. That's more popular in hockey. But you
got a lot of muscle guys who just don't play
like they have the muscle. And he drops way too
many passes and that is Does he always do that?
I don't know, but that has just been a thing
with Steelers receivers in general in the past couple of years.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So you would put him on the list, I would
add him. I think dkmack take off. I might take
off Darnell Washington. He is overrated in the fans eyes,
but I do think he is a decent weapon to
be used in an offense, just not a focal point
type of weapon. And that's where the Steelers kind of trues.
He's not really a focal part.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He only had the one cash for fifteen yards he
was before last game. He amazes me, and I will
continue to talk about. I think Arthur Smith's an idiot, Okay, no,
I do. I mean he came in and he was
supposed to get these these three good tight ends and
have the offense revolver around him. And and really the
only inventive thing he's done is the is the big package,
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which they probably don't do enough, especially now. Did see
him all lose out and they had to move Spencer
Ranas from the guard. But see them all who practice,
So maybe he's back yet.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And how inventive is that? Really?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You throw out a tackle eligible and have a big
tight end out there. In the nineteen thirty something like
that was a big deal. Oh, it would blow people's minds.
But right now, I mean people are looking at that
going like, really, we're going back in time.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Interesting, that's your wrinkle as an offense. It's just I
get that it is something that gives some opposing defense's pause,
and it's like, whoa, we got to deal with a
big package sometimes this week.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But like after a couple of times seeing it on tape,
no one's scared. Is scared of it? Like who cares
about you know, just extra meat in the run game.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I got a tweet earlier on I disparaged Art Rooney,
the first, the cigar guy, the chief. Yes, you know,
why wouldn't I? He found the team in nineteen thirty three.
He turned the team's football operations over to his kids,
Art Junior, not Art the second, but our junior. And
by the way, better not say that our junior and Dan.
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And you know, then the team became a juggerd on over.
Full credit to those two and to Bill Nonne, the
Steeler Scott back then, who who established a pipeline to
players at black colleges. Nobody knew about it in that
era because he was the sports editor of the Pittsburgh Curry.
That was his full time job, America's number one black newspaper.
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But how can you pretend that this was a great
football guy when his team from nineteen thirty three until
the late sixties when he gave up the Reins, made
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Once and lost. Yeah, he's kind of The Chief is
more like a mythological figure, you know what I mean,
Like he's hyped up into like the.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Romantic figure, like did you see and Collier wrote that
one man play about the Chief.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I wish I remember the actor's name.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Boy, he was good. I went to see it, and
you know, he is a romantic figure. But I mean
he didn't know what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Right, but he is romanticized. He's almost like Paul Bunyan
in a way for Steelers Nation, right, like a folklore guy.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Had no big blue looks. But yeah, I guess similar.
But you know, see that that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And you know what, I gotta be honest, if I
had it to go back and reach you my verbies
for what I said, I probably would tone it down
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But you know what it comes from is I hate
the way this team is mythologized.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The good stuff, like the four super Bowls in the seventies,
the Ben era when he was great, that, let's mythologize,
Troy Pull the mate well you know the names mean
Joe Green, that let's mythologize. But the bummy stuff is
the bummy stuff. And part of the reason the bummy
stuff goes on forever is because we don't ever learn
from the bummy stuff. Heck, y'all out there, you don't
even want to say it's bummy. You don't even want
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to admit this teammate very good.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh when the team it hasn't been very good, hasn't
won a playoff game for as long as they have,
and you still like crank up the mythology of the
Steelers and that logo.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It just gets so sickening to hear over and over again,
and it just doesn't hit like it used to. And
it's honestly embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Like other fan bases, it's embarrassing to them to hear
like the Steelers talk about that, like if you're Steelers
fan on Twitter, like pounding your chest right now about
all six Super Bowls. This is the greatest franchise ever.
It's embarrassing right now to be talking like that because
you're just nine and eight. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That's just what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And by the way, you know I said earlier that
that saying somebody's overrated and saying they stinker two different things. Yes, well,
saying I wish I'd chosen my words differently and saying
I regret it or also two different things.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
The Zach Fraser one, I'll get some stick for. I mean,
he's okay, he doesn't suck.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
No, I don't think he's You.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Know, certain players fit a certain caricature that Steeler fans like,
in this case, the big the big Hillbilly, you know,
Darnel Washington's Mount Washington. He yelled mouth, he yelled heath.
Everybody has a watch jersey and you think you relate
to these guys and you don't. You don't know them,
you'd hate most of them. And I think also so
I've never met Zack Fraser or dealt with him. He
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for remotely the bar I su I've never met any
of these guys and don't want to The bar.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
At center from Zach that Zach Fraser inherited after Marquise
Pouncy retired One's good guy was a train wreck, you
know what I mean, Like with the Kendrick, I mean,
we know how Ben feels about it, and that I
think is playing into it too. Like Fraser's just a
competent center. So it's like, oh, that's refreshing to see,
and then we overrate him a little bit more like
he's not as good as Webby Dirt and pounds. Okay,
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he's not even as good as Jeff Hard No, you
know he's okay, he's all right right.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Nobody talking about him for all pro No, and they shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't think that he's gonna Maybe people think that
he could trend to be that at his ceiling, at
the NFL level, I don't know if I get that
from him. I think he'd be a very good center
at the NFL. He can't be your best lineman though,
he can't be the anchor like Pounce he was for
so many years.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And I think center as a position is overrated by
and by UH and by Steeler fans. I think the
anchor needs to be your left tackle period, without question.
Your second best has to be your right tackle. I
completely agree. That's why I think the Chargers are such
a great team build. It sucks that their tackles are out.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Could you imagine where they'd be if those two were
healthy Slater and Al They's seven and three without them,
and they just kicked the Steelers ass without them.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Like we talked about this yesterday. Did did of the
playoff teams right now? Who could the Steelers beat in
the playoff?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I think we landed on Jacksonville because they're technically a
playoff You said Jacksonville, But Denver was the one that
will make the playoffs that we kind of circled like
it would be a disgusting game that would be terrible
to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But maybe the Steelers win thirteen to ten. Yeah, because
I don't think they could be Jacksonville. No, No, I
Carl Lawrence is so bad.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, but they got the guy the Steelers needed to,
Jacobe Meyer, and he goes off in that game right,
ten catches two hundred yards almost.
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Tom the latest mission that the media is on the
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national medium, in particular Rich Eisen and Mike Greenberg. We're
gonna play an Eisen sondbite later. They're both trying to
wish Mike. Tom went to the vacant New York Giants job,
which wouldn't happen this year. It won't happen at all
because the Steelers won't let him go. But that ball
got fired by the Giants, and both Eisen and Greenberg
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said that Tom would be a perfect fit for the
New York Giants. I don't think tom was going to
keep coaching after he leaves the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Whenever that is.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think that he'll know that he'd go someplace else
and suck, and won't want to do further damage his
reputation after however long it turns out to be of
ineffective coaching to end his days in Pittsburgh, be at
you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years, however long he chooses
to stick around, and I think if he went to
New York Giants, he would just be exposed even further
than he is now. I think when he took that
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job from Cower, with Cowers players, culture and leaders, it
was a perfect situation with the model franchise. The team's
got worse, the franchise got worse, but people just remember
what he did at the beginning and it's still the
Stealers and that logo. I think he'd go to the
Giants and feel miserably.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean, that's been the classic take when it comes
to Mike Tomlin. And if the Steelers were to ever
part ways with him as all, he'd get a job
in ten seconds ten seconds on the open market and
someone would snatch them up. But do they ever expand
on that, take mark and say how great the team
would be when Mike Tomlin got there.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Maybe they do.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
How would he do it that job right?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Maybe they do, And I just don't listen at that
point because I'm tuning them out after they say how
great Mike Tomalin would be to get snatched up by
this team and that team in this team. But there's
no guarantee of success if he goes somewhere else at all,
and I think that would harm him as far as
that kind of myth is concerned. And I think he
would be aware of that and wonder, well, if I
fail there, then all of a sudden, does the narrative
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turn on me a little bit? Does national media start
to recognize?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I think if he went now, he would still have
the eupris to think he could do good. But by
the time he leaves here, I think everybody gonna know
and ignore, But he'll know and maybe won't be able
to ignore that he just ain't got it no more
if he ever had it in the first place. And
this is why you know, tom if he's here five
more years, they won't win a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
In that time.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I love Green, you don't get me wrong. But the
people on National TV, they just see Tomlin Giants. Okay,
put that together. That sounds great, right. Why would the
Giants hand over Jackson Dart They're young promising quarterback to
a defensive guy like Mike Tomlin, who has failed trying
to identify young promising quarterbacks here in.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Pittsay they might, It depends what they buy in the
Tomlin myth.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But yeah, like Colin, Colin Coward has for a long
time had the right perspective on Tomlin. He's a defensive
coach in an offensive era. Coward doesn't have to be
any more insulting than that. And that's not even insulting,
it's not denigrating, but it shows that he's he's in
the improv upper time for how he coaches football.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I think you can still be a defensive coach and
get a coaching job. Mike Rabel is doing very good
right now. McDonald out in Seattle, Josh.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Mcdada as the coordinator in New England, and you know
he turns.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It all over to exactly That's where I was going
with that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But then again, I don't think Tomlin pokes his finger
into the offensive pie.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But I think he hires a guy who's.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Gonna run the offense he prefers, which is this Neanderthal
prehistoric I don't know what the freak you call it,
mess that Arthur Smith is administrative exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
If you're going to be a defensive coach, you have
to hire a forward thinking offensive mind and really see
a lot of the control of the offense over to him.
And you're right, Arthur Smith just fits into the mold
of what Mike Tomlin wants. He's not what a team
should strive to have as their offensive coordinator in the
current era of NFL football. So if he goes to
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New York, which is fool as he's not going to
He's just gonna bring another bummy offensive coordinator. It's just
it would be a terrible fit. People say it's a
great fit. It'd be a terrible fit.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
The pregame show brought to was by the purchase little
injury expert Senderovich, Schendrovic and Fisherman. They got your back,
not your wallet. I want to expand on my Aaron
Rodgers thoughts from earlier. I said I've overrated the play
the way he's played this year. The caliber, the level
of the quality. I rate him a C plus on
the season.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Not bad. He'd still be their team MVP.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The Steelers and Rodgers had a lot of bad moments
in LA, and one of the worst was the Steelers
had fourth and sixth at LA's ten in the fourth
quarter down fifteen to three, and Rogers threw this fade
to the corner of the end zone right into double
coverage in Metcalf you know, not great at combat catches.
Like Matt Williamson said yesterday, I've got no idea what
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Rogers thought he saw there. You know, whether he checked
into that thrower Oppenheimer called it. I don't know, but
watching that game again, Tom Rogers was like out of it,
kind of like like disengage goofy from the get go.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Absolutely, And I don't know if the Chargers defense deserves
a lot of credit. They deserve some credit obviously if
it's more that he was just off, but his superpower
was not you know coming through in that game mark
which is the pre snap stuff. You just reference that
play where he just goes double team to DK where
he wasn't open. There was another play it just looked
like a disaster towards the goal line because he wanted
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to hit a quick pass on a slant Bud Dupree,
former Steeler, just dropped back into coverage. He wasn't expecting it.
Rogers like kind of double clutched and just panicked and
threw the ball in the dirt like they were changing
stuff up on him. And usually he's ten steps ahead
of every defense he plays. That wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
See. I hate to give tabloid gossipy stuff an the oxygen,
but when I heard about that New York Post story,
Rogers played like I would expect him to react to it,
like it was on his mind. He couldn't shake it.
He was rattled because, like I said, rattle from the
get go.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And he's out in la which is where the wife
probably lives. She ain't coming to Pittsburgh. I mean, that's
apparently according to this New York Post story that's true.
So she goes out there this story breaks. He's probably
the first time he could see her in a while.
It'd be emotional.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
There's no record of her at game in lay.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
True, but I'm saying maybe he saw her, you know
what I mean, Saturday at the hotel I don't know,
and she.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Was mad, wouldn't you be. I wouldn't look at that
stuff if I had that much money.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I would if you married into that much money, Yeah
yeah yeah, But if she indeed exists, I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Uh yeah. But but like that fade, I mean it
was a hopeless bro. It was a hopeless brow.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I mean the since he game on Sunday suddenly has
significance beyond even having to win, having to stay ahead
of Baltimore because Rogers got a bounce back, He's got it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I mean, he's already lost to Cincinnati once.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
No, without question, they have to win this game. They
lose this game, I think they won't make the playoffs.
They'll get caught by the Ravens, and then you gotta
worry about the Bengals too. They lose, you think they
won't make the play will not make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
They'll get caught by the Bengals probably, but the Ravens
will still win the division. And if you, on the
other hand, beat the Bengals, that's kind of the kill
shot for them, right. It doesn't matter Burrow coming back
or whatever. A one loss against the Steelers will probably
bury them. They won't be able to come back from that.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, we got that sound bite from Burrow. He thinks
the Bengals can stay in it till the end if
he beats the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And no, he didn't say that, but I think he's
trying to g up the team to beat the Steelers,
to kind of make it into a self fulfilling prophecy
them staying in the race.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And then, to quote Mike Florio from a week back,
then Daddy comes home, right and Joe Burrow comes back.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Let me ask you this, say the Bengals beat the
Steelers and thus sweep the season series.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, the Bengals finished out of the Steelers. I'm tempted
to say, yes they will.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
What if, after all this being all in for playoff win,
the Steelers finished third in the AFC North.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I mean, if this hypothetical plays out and they lose
to Joe Flacco again on Sunday, they're gonna be flat going.
And how will they not be flat going into Chicago?
You'd have to assume that that would happen, and the
Bears are six and three. Bears all of a sudden,
Packers losing last night, Bears are saying we could win
the NFC North right now, like they're feeling themselves. They
could get tricky steel.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
It's more likely that the Steelers do beat Cincinnati, and
everybody jumps back on the train of thought that they
can beat anybody any given day. This team's dangerous to
national media will buy into it because they changed like
the wind every single week depending on how the Steelers do.
And and that, I mean, that's just how it works. Yeah,
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and maybe maybe that's the way guys like you and
me should want it to work. But it just it
just I mean, I know this team's not no good
and I also know that. And people refer to them
beating Indy and UH and New England, right yep, But
the Steelers didn't beat beat New England and Indy New
England and Indy lost to the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And there's a difference, and deep, deep down, come on,
we know Colts and Patriots aren't at the top of
everybody's list when it comes to AFC contenders. Colts maybe
are trending in that direction, but Bill's Chiefs and Ravens,
to me at least, are still the three big threats
in the conference.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Way down, inside Woman, Woman, Woman, You, I can't do it.
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what do we got for the trifecta?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
For today's trifecta, Mark, I have spontaneous singing moments in movies,
which you do quite often on this show.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Moments. Yes, they're always very well done too.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Here are three of my favorites. Though I know you
don't like this movie very much.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
But in Billy Madison, when he breaks out in song
after Veronica beats the crap out of him, Veronica, I
thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Billy Madison does that in a lot of movies, like
Hay he sang over the interclm to the rather ugly.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
And over again. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
In The Replacements number two, I Will Survive in the
jail sound now, that's like a spontaneous sing and dance
routine that breaks out, spurred on by Clifford Franklin.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Of course, which they did a little too well, the
dance routine, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I just like how the deaf guy doesn't notice Gene
Hackman there and he's just doing it by himself when
everybody sees him.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
The deaf Guy was a somewhat compelling character absolutely for being,
you know, devoid of hearing and speech.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yes, and then Martell acting like a total ass and
degrading him in front of everybody at the end of year.
That was a big turning point. I think that's what
ultimately brought flat Falco back. Actually, one of the one
of the great lines is oh he's Falco. He can
hear what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I can, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Number one for me is the Bohemian rhapsody scene in
Wayne's World when they're in the car very early in
the movie too, that they break out in the song.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
There but such a great routine, tremendous.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
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Speaker 2 (34:23):
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Speaker 3 (34:25):
I have a ton of honorable mentions too, if you
want to just go through those real quick. Have you
ever seen the movie Hot Tub Time Machine when Craig
Robinson breaks out?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Never seen it?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Okay, moving on Afternoon Delight in Anchorman. That's such a
great spontaneous and.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
They nail it too.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, you wish that it was spontaneous. You knew it
was actually, but I'm sure that required several takes.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
In the Will Farrell universe, the Sweet Child of Mine
in the car with Derek and step brothers. That's really
and the life goes in flat, so flat, so many
music lessons and this is what I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I'll save it with the guitar solo that might be
That might be number one. We talked about so far.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, the classic and back to future. Johnny be good
when he goes upon the stage. He might not be
ready for that, but your kids are gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Was that spontaneous though. I guess you're right. It's kind
of you know me.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
But for him to be up there and playing it,
I guess think. Adam Scott, by the way, is brilliant
in two roles. Well, everybody knows him in Step Brothers.
He was a good heel. You don't expect him as
a heel. But uh, oh god, what was the movie
Black Mass where Johnny Depp? Johnny Depp played uh, the
crime boss from Boston and Adam Scott was a really
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cynical FBI agent who like was going after another FBI
agent who was kind of on the take, but not really.
He was just, oh, go, what was the guy's name?
That the mobster, Frank Frank Costello. No, that was that's
the Departed, that's Jack Nicholson. But Jack Nicholson's character in
the Department was based on who I'm talking about, Whitey Bulger.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Whitey Bulger, that's right.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And then the last one that I had was the
mockingbird in Dumb and Dumber mock.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Actually, yeah, that's really good. Your honorable mentions might might
be better, might might be better than the actual. It's
such a good category. It was tough to arrow down
to the trifecta. Uh. You know, we talked about this once,
but I thought Dumb and Dumber two was just unforgivably.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Bad, ruined the first one a little bit in your
eyes or now, the first one's an all time classic comedy.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But Dumb and Dumber two was so bad that I
often think of it before Dumb and Dumber. When When
When when the franchise, albeit just two movies, uh, comes into.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Conversation, thus kind of ruining the aura of the first one. Yeah,
I'm glad Happy Gilmore Too didn't do that to the
first Happy Gilmore. He's a ridiculous movie, don't get me wrong,
But I think it paid a good respect to the
first one.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, it paid respect to the original franchise. I thought
the ending with with the with the spinning.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Break out of control. Yeah, but you know that was
loosely based on the ending for Caddyshack.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
There were a lot of not only nods the Happy
Gilmore one, but to uh, to Caddyshack because Happy Gill,
I mean, excuse me, Caddyshack ended when a force majeur
caused the putt unexpectedly drop.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah that's a good point. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
So there were and there was a there was a
line that was a direct lift from Caddyshack and Happy
gilmore too.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I can't remember. It's a blind spot for me right now.
And I like that. I think I mean no palomage
to those kind of movies for sure. Caddy Shak is
the golf movie. Yeah, I wish we could just talk
about this crap and not the freaking.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Steve McCartney and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm so
psyched for McCartney. It sucks the Penguins are in Sweden,
not because it's not a cool trip, but because they're
off for these next three days.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I would love a Penguins game, you know what.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I'm going to talk about maybe later, maybe tomorrow, because
I have too much material for today. But I get
home last night, okay, and I I'm flipping a dial.
I come to sports and at Pittsburgh they were playing
a Penguins game from nineteen seventy seven, Penguin's at Toronto
Bob prints on play by play, the gun or the
legendary baseball announcer, and he was so well, you know
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what's funny. I remembered him being worse. He was actually
really good. He just didn't know hockey, and that what
made it funny.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's the classic.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
They have it.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Now we have another.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
They got it exactly, he said, he said, I remember, uh,
he called Phillis Posito the nit picker because he got
all the goals from in front and he and he goes,
and he goes, somebody needs to take the knit picker,
just shove their stick down his throat.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
And then I guess the gunner thought about how it sounded.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
And then well, I mean I don't mean that really,
I mean just and then and then, but yesterday Tiger
Williams the paper, the maple leafs pest of the era.
He was saying, we owe that Tiger Williams a good ripping.
He goes, if not this game, then some other game.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I'd love to see Dick Pepperfield call a nice hockey game.
Do you think he would translate from basketball to hockey,
from from semi to me from semi redwood the tandem.
I thought those were two of the best characters in
the movie.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
And actually when Dick Pepperfield did the play by play
on the game, he was actually competent.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, he was competent.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
What my favorite Dick pepper There were so many good
Dick Pepperfield lines. We are gonna go get some no
what what what, but it'll be fun. But the other
one was, uh, Jackie's teammates doing just a terrible job
stabilizing his spine.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
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Because I got a few more problems with the Steelers.
They are not coming up, not like a flower, not
like anything else.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
In fact, they're going down like Grandpa. As you know what.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Number one, I've overestimated how well Aaron Rodgers is playing.
Our buddy Scarps tweeted this out. Rogers ranks third interception percentage.
That's the bad third, not the good third. He's twenty
second in completed air yards eleventh and passer rating in
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twelfth in completion percentage.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Those are man. He's not had a three hundred yard.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Game yet, and he was beyond awful at Los Angeles.
So maybe on the year, I'd gradem a C plus,
which would still make him the Steelers team MVP. And
I've heard further that Rogers is bothered a lot by
that story we're in the New York Post that suggests
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his wife might not exist, that Steelers wives and girlfriends
called her a fandom that they had not seen. And
as I said yesterday, he's not upset about the story
so much as he is that Steelers wives and girlfriends
appear to have cooperated and anonymously two. My other problem, well,
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I got a lot of problems, and you people are
gonna hear about them. Tom Win talked today about Jalen
Warren not playing on third down and not getting more
touches than he is, and Tomlin said to Steelers have
to convert more on third down to get Warren out
there again for first and second and get him more touches.
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And okay, they do, But why can't Warren play on
third down?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Tomlin friggin ran Nagy till the wheels fell off, and
Bell and Parker, etc. And tom On has eckles covering kicks,
covering punts and then goes out there, plays defensive back
and gets torched by McConkey at LA. So why can't
Warren ever play on third dount? And I'll tell you
why because Tomin likes to stick with his formula, whether
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it works or not, because to adjust the formula is
to admit he's wrong. Now, the safety thing with Ramsey
and Dugger, which looks like it's going to continue, that
was made necessary by injury, but in terms of something
not working, and Tomlin then acknowledging that and making a change,
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that's him admitting he's wrong, which he just does not do.
And then Matt Williamson our football guru with a bunch
of kill shots on Twitter. The Steelers are second last
in the league in time of possession at twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The Bengals are second last, rather by just a few seconds.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Steelers at twenty seven, Bengals at like twenty six minutes
and fifty seconds, so Sunday's game might be.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Just fifty four minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
The Steelers average three point eight yards per rushing attempt.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's the third worst in the league.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The Steelers are worst in the league at explosive run
percentage at just two point five percent. That's all for
Matt Williamson and Scarps noted that the Steelers haven't total
twenty more first downs.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
In the last ten games.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They've gone ten games without getting twenty or more first downs.
It's not a good football team, and it's old, so
it won't get better.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's not gonna rally.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Cabali said that the Steelers won't fire Mike Tomlin before
the draft because it would take away from the events. Okay,
but they're not gonna fire tom no matter what. Kabali
knows that. But I do think they're putting a lot
of eggs in that draft basket. By way, get renovations
paid by the city in County for Acrosure Stadium.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And Art's all about money. Art's not like Dan or well,
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
The chief was all about because he was kind of
a buffoon with a cigar who founded the team and
made the playoffs once in almost fifty years till he
handed almost forty years until he handed the team over
to his kids. But Art cares about money. Dan cared
about money, but also winning. Art has a lot of
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investment in this draft so he can get a payout
from it at the end.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But when you hear they didn't trade picks because they
want that moment at the podium and now they won't
fire the coach because they don't want to take away
from the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Is the draft more important than winning football games?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And by the way, if you drafted better, you'd be
winning more football games. And like I said, the Steelers
just won fire tom whever Cabaldi said that would not
hold keeping Tomlin, that they could get rid of him
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even this year if the season went to hell like
they lost out went five and twelve. But to me,
the last decade has been hell for this team and
this time and our expectations. This the mushy middle. No
winning a playoff game, no hope with making a playoff
run for Pittsburgh for the Steelers, for Pittsburgh football fans,
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that's hell. And I don't need to hear how they'd
be grateful in Cleveland for what the Steelers are doing
if the Browns did it because a f Cleveland. But
the Brons beat the Steelers in a playoff game in
twenty twenty one, I bet they were grateful for that.
Like I said, Dougar and Ramsey will stay at starting safeties.
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Tomlin says he likes the stability. Yeah, this team is
real stable. One Thornhill got cut, so his stay with
that great defense was not exactly historic. This is the
Mark Madden Show. It's Veterans Day, so way to go veterans.
Bad m efforts. They allow America to be free, except
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Madden X. Let's bring on Tommy Radio.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Tom. Have Steeler fans accepted that.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
This team isn't very good, that it's it's i mean,
a one and done team in the playoffs and that
is the absolute ceiling.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I don't know if they've accepted it yet, but the
statistics pretty much all point to it, even when you
just play well.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think it's to say the numbers don't lie and
they spilled disaster for you at sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Even when you boil those numbers down to like the
most basic right, just like total defense yards allowed, total
offense yards gained, they're in the bottom in both of
those categories. Points per game they're trending down. They were
at twenty five, but now they're around like twenty third.
They're getting towards the bottom. And you look at points
per game allowed as a defense, I mean they're in
the company of teams like the Raiders. I mean it's disgusting, honestly.
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So everywhere you look, it's just pointing to them being
a not very good football team.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
That Cincinnati game is going to be intriguing because the
Cincinnati defense can't stop anybody, but the Steelers offense can
stop itself, and Cincinnati's offense could score points. Joe Burrow
said today that he expects the Bengals to be in
the division race till the end of the season, and
that's with him being not at least a couple more weeks,
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you would think, maybe longer, and with Flacco at quarterback,
which tells me he thinks that Flacco and the Bengals
could beat the Steelers this Sunday at.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Acrisure, Absolutely he does. How could he not when he
just winkitness I do too. He just witnessed it two
three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I picked the Steelers. But I bet this game has
its peaks and valleys.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I mean, I know it was in Sinci the last matchup,
but still, he just saw Joe Flacco and the Bengals
beat the Steelers. And well, you said about the Steelers
offense stopping itself is so key in this game, cause
I don't think the Bengals are going to be able
to rally ultimately and get back in the playoff picture.
Because even if they beat the Steelers, their defense so bad,
it doesn't matter which Joe's playing quarterback, They're going to
lose more games down the stretch. But in this game,
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the Steelers offense just gets in its own way. Like
you said, if it keeps going three and out and
giving that Bengals offense more and more opportunities, be hard
to play keep up with them.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I rewatched that game from Sunday night. Rogers was tiptoeing.
He just bailed on a lot of plays. Do you
agree that I've overrated the way he's played this season?
Would you grade him at a higher than a C plus?
And what about this New York Post story, Because Tom,
I'm hearing the that's true that he's bothered and he
doesn't like the Steelers wives and girlfriends anonymously cooperated.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I get why he wouldn't like that too, don't you.
I understand that that's a little bit especially.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
If the wives of players and girlfriends in sports have
never contributed in a positive fashion, and maybe never's too
strong a word. Maybe it's been negative ninety five percent
of the time.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Except for Peyton Manning's wife who took the rap on
that HGH delivery at his house back when he was
going to Denver. You diffuse the next A great wife,
great wife, great move, all about business there, but like
especially if okay, so it's true this new wife or
Ann Rogers has not been around the team, so he
obviously wants her to stay private. They want privacy, and
this is a total violation of that privacy.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's his business that's their business. Do I think he
has a fake wife?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
No? But I mean, and I feel uncomfortable talking about
it because because the New York Post shouldn't have written
about it, or at the very least, the Steelers' wags
should not have cooperated in the story.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Made it up, which I'm not putting past them.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
But but but that the idea for that story came
from somewhere.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Back to what you're saying about, did you overrate him?
I don't think you did to this point, but I
think it's fair to worry about if things are gonna
start to go south moving forward as the season wears on,
he starts to fade because of his age and that
offensive line. If they get worse now all of a sudden,
if they start taking a turn in the wrong direction,
then you're gonna start seeing the same stuff that you
saw against the Chargers, the tiptoe and the uncomfortableness in
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the pocket. I think C plus to this point is
a little harsh. I'd probably be in the B range,
but I think it's fair to worry that it's gonna
be more C plus moving forward.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He should Aaron should take the missus to McCartney tonight
they could sit with me. That should be your introduction
to Pittsburgh. I think should enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
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Speaker 1 (11:24):
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Speaker 2 (11:35):
Reeling off stage?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
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Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's not a relic from my Nimby's good Oh wait,
that not not.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
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Speaker 1 (11:57):
By the loan of a Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
We'll be there, I'll be there. McCartney at PPG tonight.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's rock show which invokes led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page as
you heard, and Paul won't be playing it tonight. I
don't think so, so I had to hear it now.
I got a tweet. What are you doing playing music
during a sports show? No, it's a Mark Madden show.
And if you don't think Paul McCartney in town tonight
is more significant than your bummy football team on the
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vergic collapse. I'm afraid I've built some bad news. Everybody
does lists all the time in my profession.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So here's a list for you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Overrated Steelers And why Number five is Will Howard because
the number three quarterback always is. Number four is Darnell Washington.
The fans love him because he's not Washington, but he's
just a big lug. He's man, just some oath.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Number three is Pat Friarmouth because you can yell mooth.
That's why you like him.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
But he's a marginal weapon, really can't block and isn't
worth the contract they gave him. Number two is Zach Frasier.
He's a decent center, no better. He's not Pompsi, not Webby,
not dirt. Really, he's a big fat hillbilly. But you
love him because we believe every Steelers center is a
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hall of Famer. And number one is TJ.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Watt. You like him because you all have his jersey.
He used to be great.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
He's a Hall of famer, but now he's making forty
one mil and he's a xerox of a xerox of
a xerox. Pretty soon you won't be able to see
him at all. I'm not trying to insult. I'm not
trying to hate. I'm just trying to make you get it. Tom,
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you heard the list.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
What do you think? Who are your most overrated Steelers?
Do any conflict with my list?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think it's a masterfully done list. He named like
four bumps and then TJ Watt, So I mean, that's
just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Zach Fraser's not a bums gots because you're a pit die,
right and he's a mountaineer. But as I always say,
and people don't get this no matter how many times
I say it, Like I'll run into people at my
viewing parties, how would you call so and so overrated?
And I say, well, you see, you think when I
say he's overrated, that means he stinks. Zach Fraser's very good.
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He's never gonna make all Pro. He's just a very good,
above average center. That's it, and history will bear that out.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Is Peyton Wilson getting overrated at all? Is it too
early to say that? Is he maybe properly rated? He
could be pretty good action I think.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He overrates himself himself the best cover quarterback in football
in the world.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Excuse me, but you see he's still a young guy. Yeah,
they're still promising that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think he's gonna come on. So, you know, I
wouldn't yet call him overrated. I'm not sure how many
people rate him, is my point.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm worried that. And we talked about this a little
bit yesterday.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But DK Metcalf is overrated, and we overrated him when
the Steelers made that trade, and the Steelers themselves overrated
him by handing him out that contract that pays him
thirty million dollars a year, because I know he's getting
all the coverage, and Matt Williamson said that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
They're rolling on over to him number one. What being
chip don't matter what, Dk, you know, being double teamed.
He's a number one receiver. You make the money. You're
a number one receiver, Go make the catching.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Matt Williams had sounds something that I, you know, kind
of googled, and a lot of people agree with Matt.
Why wouldn't they? He knows everything that DK Metcalf loves
a lot to be desired on combat.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Catches, which is so strange, right because his build would
let you think that he would just be going up
on jump balls like crazy, like that would be his mo.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Just throw it up and he'll outmuscle people.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
They have a phrase for that. Tom looks like Tarzan,
plays like Jane. That's more popular in hockey. But you
got a lot of muscle guys who just don't play
like they have the muscle. And he drops way too
many passes and that is Does he always do that?
I don't know, but that has just been a thing
with Steelers receivers in general in the past couple of years.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So you would put him on the list, I would
add him. I think dkmack take off. I might take
off Darnell Washington. He is overrated in the fans eyes,
but I do think he is a decent weapon to
be used in an offense, just not a focal point
type of weapon. And that's where the Steelers kind of trues.
He's not really a focal part.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He only had the one cash for fifteen yards he
was before last game. He amazes me, and I will
continue to talk about. I think Arthur Smith's an idiot, Okay, no,
I do. I mean he came in and he was
supposed to get these these three good tight ends and
have the offense revolver around him. And and really the
only inventive thing he's done is the is the big package,
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which they probably don't do enough, especially now. Did see
him all lose out and they had to move Spencer
Ranas from the guard. But see them all who practice,
So maybe he's back yet.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And how inventive is that? Really?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You throw out a tackle eligible and have a big
tight end out there. In the nineteen thirty something like
that was a big deal. Oh, it would blow people's minds.
But right now, I mean people are looking at that
going like, really, we're going back in time.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Interesting, that's your wrinkle as an offense. It's just I
get that it is something that gives some opposing defense's pause,
and it's like, whoa, we got to deal with a
big package sometimes this week.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But like after a couple of times seeing it on tape,
no one's scared. Is scared of it? Like who cares
about you know, just extra meat in the run game.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I got a tweet earlier on I disparaged Art Rooney,
the first, the cigar guy, the chief. Yes, you know,
why wouldn't I? He found the team in nineteen thirty three.
He turned the team's football operations over to his kids,
Art Junior, not Art the second, but our junior. And
by the way, better not say that our junior and Dan.
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And you know, then the team became a juggerd on over.
Full credit to those two and to Bill Nonne, the
Steeler Scott back then, who who established a pipeline to
players at black colleges. Nobody knew about it in that
era because he was the sports editor of the Pittsburgh Curry.
That was his full time job, America's number one black newspaper.
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But how can you pretend that this was a great
football guy when his team from nineteen thirty three until
the late sixties when he gave up the Reins, made
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Once and lost. Yeah, he's kind of The Chief is
more like a mythological figure, you know what I mean,
Like he's hyped up into like the.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Romantic figure, like did you see and Collier wrote that
one man play about the Chief.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I wish I remember the actor's name.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Boy, he was good. I went to see it, and
you know, he is a romantic figure. But I mean
he didn't know what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Right, but he is romanticized. He's almost like Paul Bunyan
in a way for Steelers Nation, right, like a folklore guy.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Had no big blue looks. But yeah, I guess similar.
But you know, see that that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And you know what, I gotta be honest, if I
had it to go back and reach you my verbies
for what I said, I probably would tone it down
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But you know what it comes from is I hate
the way this team is mythologized.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The good stuff, like the four super Bowls in the seventies,
the Ben era when he was great, that, let's mythologize,
Troy Pull the mate well you know the names mean
Joe Green, that let's mythologize. But the bummy stuff is
the bummy stuff. And part of the reason the bummy
stuff goes on forever is because we don't ever learn
from the bummy stuff. Heck, y'all out there, you don't
even want to say it's bummy. You don't even want
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to admit this teammate very good.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh when the team it hasn't been very good, hasn't
won a playoff game for as long as they have,
and you still like crank up the mythology of the
Steelers and that logo.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It just gets so sickening to hear over and over again,
and it just doesn't hit like it used to. And
it's honestly embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Like other fan bases, it's embarrassing to them to hear
like the Steelers talk about that, like if you're Steelers
fan on Twitter, like pounding your chest right now about
all six Super Bowls. This is the greatest franchise ever.
It's embarrassing right now to be talking like that because
you're just nine and eight. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That's just what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And by the way, you know I said earlier that
that saying somebody's overrated and saying they stinker two different things. Yes, well,
saying I wish I'd chosen my words differently and saying
I regret it or also two different things.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
The Zach Fraser one, I'll get some stick for. I mean,
he's okay, he doesn't suck.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
No, I don't think he's You.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Know, certain players fit a certain caricature that Steeler fans like,
in this case, the big the big Hillbilly, you know,
Darnel Washington's Mount Washington. He yelled mouth, he yelled heath.
Everybody has a watch jersey and you think you relate
to these guys and you don't. You don't know them,
you'd hate most of them. And I think also so
I've never met Zack Fraser or dealt with him. He
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for remotely the bar I su I've never met any
of these guys and don't want to The bar.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
At center from Zach that Zach Fraser inherited after Marquise
Pouncy retired One's good guy was a train wreck, you
know what I mean, Like with the Kendrick, I mean,
we know how Ben feels about it, and that I
think is playing into it too. Like Fraser's just a
competent center. So it's like, oh, that's refreshing to see,
and then we overrate him a little bit more like
he's not as good as Webby Dirt and pounds. Okay,
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he's not even as good as Jeff Hard No, you
know he's okay, he's all right right.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Nobody talking about him for all pro No, and they shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't think that he's gonna Maybe people think that
he could trend to be that at his ceiling, at
the NFL level, I don't know if I get that
from him. I think he'd be a very good center
at the NFL. He can't be your best lineman though,
he can't be the anchor like Pounce he was for
so many years.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And I think center as a position is overrated by
and by UH and by Steeler fans. I think the
anchor needs to be your left tackle period, without question.
Your second best has to be your right tackle. I
completely agree. That's why I think the Chargers are such
a great team build. It sucks that their tackles are out.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Could you imagine where they'd be if those two were
healthy Slater and Al They's seven and three without them,
and they just kicked the Steelers ass without them.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Like we talked about this yesterday. Did did of the
playoff teams right now? Who could the Steelers beat in
the playoff?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I think we landed on Jacksonville because they're technically a
playoff You said Jacksonville, But Denver was the one that
will make the playoffs that we kind of circled like
it would be a disgusting game that would be terrible
to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But maybe the Steelers win thirteen to ten. Yeah, because
I don't think they could be Jacksonville. No, No, I
Carl Lawrence is so bad.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, but they got the guy the Steelers needed to,
Jacobe Meyer, and he goes off in that game right,
ten catches two hundred yards almost.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
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Speaker 1 (22:48):
Here's some breaking hockey news. The Penguins are practicing shootouts
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Tom the latest mission that the media is on the
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national medium, in particular Rich Eisen and Mike Greenberg. We're
gonna play an Eisen sondbite later. They're both trying to
wish Mike. Tom went to the vacant New York Giants job,
which wouldn't happen this year. It won't happen at all
because the Steelers won't let him go. But that ball
got fired by the Giants, and both Eisen and Greenberg
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said that Tom would be a perfect fit for the
New York Giants. I don't think tom was going to
keep coaching after he leaves the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Whenever that is.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think that he'll know that he'd go someplace else
and suck, and won't want to do further damage his
reputation after however long it turns out to be of
ineffective coaching to end his days in Pittsburgh, be at
you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years, however long he chooses
to stick around, and I think if he went to
New York Giants, he would just be exposed even further
than he is now. I think when he took that
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job from Cower, with Cowers players, culture and leaders, it
was a perfect situation with the model franchise. The team's
got worse, the franchise got worse, but people just remember
what he did at the beginning and it's still the
Stealers and that logo. I think he'd go to the
Giants and feel miserably.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean, that's been the classic take when it comes
to Mike Tomlin. And if the Steelers were to ever
part ways with him as all, he'd get a job
in ten seconds ten seconds on the open market and
someone would snatch them up. But do they ever expand
on that, take mark and say how great the team
would be when Mike Tomlin got there.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Maybe they do.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
How would he do it that job right?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Maybe they do, And I just don't listen at that
point because I'm tuning them out after they say how
great Mike Tomalin would be to get snatched up by
this team and that team in this team. But there's
no guarantee of success if he goes somewhere else at all,
and I think that would harm him as far as
that kind of myth is concerned. And I think he
would be aware of that and wonder, well, if I
fail there, then all of a sudden, does the narrative
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turn on me a little bit? Does national media start
to recognize?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I think if he went now, he would still have
the eupris to think he could do good. But by
the time he leaves here, I think everybody gonna know
and ignore, But he'll know and maybe won't be able
to ignore that he just ain't got it no more
if he ever had it in the first place. And
this is why you know, tom if he's here five
more years, they won't win a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
In that time.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I love Green, you don't get me wrong. But the
people on National TV, they just see Tomlin Giants. Okay,
put that together. That sounds great, right. Why would the
Giants hand over Jackson Dart They're young promising quarterback to
a defensive guy like Mike Tomlin, who has failed trying
to identify young promising quarterbacks here in.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Pittsay they might, It depends what they buy in the
Tomlin myth.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But yeah, like Colin, Colin Coward has for a long
time had the right perspective on Tomlin. He's a defensive
coach in an offensive era. Coward doesn't have to be
any more insulting than that. And that's not even insulting,
it's not denigrating, but it shows that he's he's in
the improv upper time for how he coaches football.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I think you can still be a defensive coach and
get a coaching job. Mike Rabel is doing very good
right now. McDonald out in Seattle, Josh.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Mcdada as the coordinator in New England, and you know
he turns.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It all over to exactly That's where I was going
with that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But then again, I don't think Tomlin pokes his finger
into the offensive pie.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But I think he hires a guy who's.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Gonna run the offense he prefers, which is this Neanderthal
prehistoric I don't know what the freak you call it,
mess that Arthur Smith is administrative exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
If you're going to be a defensive coach, you have
to hire a forward thinking offensive mind and really see
a lot of the control of the offense over to him.
And you're right, Arthur Smith just fits into the mold
of what Mike Tomlin wants. He's not what a team
should strive to have as their offensive coordinator in the
current era of NFL football. So if he goes to
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New York, which is fool as he's not going to
He's just gonna bring another bummy offensive coordinator. It's just
it would be a terrible fit. People say it's a
great fit. It'd be a terrible fit.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
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not your wallet. I want to expand on my Aaron
Rodgers thoughts from earlier. I said I've overrated the play
the way he's played this year. The caliber, the level
of the quality. I rate him a C plus on
the season.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Not bad. He'd still be their team MVP.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The Steelers and Rodgers had a lot of bad moments
in LA, and one of the worst was the Steelers
had fourth and sixth at LA's ten in the fourth
quarter down fifteen to three, and Rogers threw this fade
to the corner of the end zone right into double
coverage in Metcalf you know, not great at combat catches.
Like Matt Williamson said yesterday, I've got no idea what
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Rogers thought he saw there. You know, whether he checked
into that thrower Oppenheimer called it. I don't know, but
watching that game again, Tom Rogers was like out of it,
kind of like like disengage goofy from the get go.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Absolutely, And I don't know if the Chargers defense deserves
a lot of credit. They deserve some credit obviously if
it's more that he was just off, but his superpower
was not you know coming through in that game mark
which is the pre snap stuff. You just reference that
play where he just goes double team to DK where
he wasn't open. There was another play it just looked
like a disaster towards the goal line because he wanted
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to hit a quick pass on a slant Bud Dupree,
former Steeler, just dropped back into coverage. He wasn't expecting it.
Rogers like kind of double clutched and just panicked and
threw the ball in the dirt like they were changing
stuff up on him. And usually he's ten steps ahead
of every defense he plays. That wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
See. I hate to give tabloid gossipy stuff an the oxygen,
but when I heard about that New York Post story,
Rogers played like I would expect him to react to it,
like it was on his mind. He couldn't shake it.
He was rattled because, like I said, rattle from the
get go.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And he's out in la which is where the wife
probably lives. She ain't coming to Pittsburgh. I mean, that's
apparently according to this New York Post story that's true.
So she goes out there this story breaks. He's probably
the first time he could see her in a while.
It'd be emotional.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
There's no record of her at game in lay.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
True, but I'm saying maybe he saw her, you know
what I mean, Saturday at the hotel I don't know,
and she.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Was mad, wouldn't you be. I wouldn't look at that
stuff if I had that much money.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I would if you married into that much money, Yeah
yeah yeah, But if she indeed exists, I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Uh yeah. But but like that fade, I mean it
was a hopeless bro. It was a hopeless brow.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I mean the since he game on Sunday suddenly has
significance beyond even having to win, having to stay ahead
of Baltimore because Rogers got a bounce back, He's got it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I mean, he's already lost to Cincinnati once.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
No, without question, they have to win this game. They
lose this game, I think they won't make the playoffs.
They'll get caught by the Ravens, and then you gotta
worry about the Bengals too. They lose, you think they
won't make the play will not make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
They'll get caught by the Bengals probably, but the Ravens
will still win the division. And if you, on the
other hand, beat the Bengals, that's kind of the kill
shot for them, right. It doesn't matter Burrow coming back
or whatever. A one loss against the Steelers will probably
bury them. They won't be able to come back from that.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, we got that sound bite from Burrow. He thinks
the Bengals can stay in it till the end if
he beats the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And no, he didn't say that, but I think he's
trying to g up the team to beat the Steelers,
to kind of make it into a self fulfilling prophecy
them staying in the race.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And then, to quote Mike Florio from a week back,
then Daddy comes home, right and Joe Burrow comes back.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Let me ask you this, say the Bengals beat the
Steelers and thus sweep the season series.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, the Bengals finished out of the Steelers. I'm tempted
to say, yes they will.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
What if, after all this being all in for playoff win,
the Steelers finished third in the AFC North.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I mean, if this hypothetical plays out and they lose
to Joe Flacco again on Sunday, they're gonna be flat going.
And how will they not be flat going into Chicago?
You'd have to assume that that would happen, and the
Bears are six and three. Bears all of a sudden,
Packers losing last night, Bears are saying we could win
the NFC North right now, like they're feeling themselves. They
could get tricky steel.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
It's more likely that the Steelers do beat Cincinnati, and
everybody jumps back on the train of thought that they
can beat anybody any given day. This team's dangerous to
national media will buy into it because they changed like
the wind every single week depending on how the Steelers do.
And and that, I mean, that's just how it works. Yeah,
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and maybe maybe that's the way guys like you and
me should want it to work. But it just it
just I mean, I know this team's not no good
and I also know that. And people refer to them
beating Indy and UH and New England, right yep, But
the Steelers didn't beat beat New England and Indy New
England and Indy lost to the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And there's a difference, and deep, deep down, come on,
we know Colts and Patriots aren't at the top of
everybody's list when it comes to AFC contenders. Colts maybe
are trending in that direction, but Bill's Chiefs and Ravens,
to me at least, are still the three big threats
in the conference.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
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Speaker 2 (32:36):
Cloudey been a bit warmer tonight. It's the Mark manon
Pregame Show on one oh five nine.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
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what do we got for the trifecta?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
For today's trifecta, Mark, I have spontaneous singing moments in movies,
which you do quite often on this show.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Moments. Yes, they're always very well done too.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Here are three of my favorites. Though I know you
don't like this movie very much.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
But in Billy Madison, when he breaks out in song
after Veronica beats the crap out of him, Veronica, I
thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Billy Madison does that in a lot of movies, like
Hay he sang over the interclm to the rather ugly.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
And over again. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
In The Replacements number two, I Will Survive in the
jail sound now, that's like a spontaneous sing and dance
routine that breaks out, spurred on by Clifford Franklin.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Of course, which they did a little too well, the
dance routine, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I just like how the deaf guy doesn't notice Gene
Hackman there and he's just doing it by himself when
everybody sees him.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
The deaf Guy was a somewhat compelling character absolutely for being,
you know, devoid of hearing and speech.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yes, and then Martell acting like a total ass and
degrading him in front of everybody at the end of year.
That was a big turning point. I think that's what
ultimately brought flat Falco back. Actually, one of the one
of the great lines is oh he's Falco. He can
hear what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I can, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Number one for me is the Bohemian rhapsody scene in
Wayne's World when they're in the car very early in
the movie too, that they break out in the song.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
There but such a great routine, tremendous.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
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Speaker 2 (34:23):
That's Danny's on Route eighty eight in Bethel Park.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I have a ton of honorable mentions too, if you
want to just go through those real quick. Have you
ever seen the movie Hot Tub Time Machine when Craig
Robinson breaks out?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Never seen it?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Okay, moving on Afternoon Delight in Anchorman. That's such a
great spontaneous and.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
They nail it too.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, you wish that it was spontaneous. You knew it
was actually, but I'm sure that required several takes.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
In the Will Farrell universe, the Sweet Child of Mine
in the car with Derek and step brothers. That's really
and the life goes in flat, so flat, so many
music lessons and this is what I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I'll save it with the guitar solo that might be
That might be number one. We talked about so far.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, the classic and back to future. Johnny be good
when he goes upon the stage. He might not be
ready for that, but your kids are gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Was that spontaneous though. I guess you're right. It's kind
of you know me.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
But for him to be up there and playing it,
I guess think. Adam Scott, by the way, is brilliant
in two roles. Well, everybody knows him in Step Brothers.
He was a good heel. You don't expect him as
a heel. But uh, oh god, what was the movie
Black Mass where Johnny Depp? Johnny Depp played uh, the
crime boss from Boston and Adam Scott was a really
(35:30):
cynical FBI agent who like was going after another FBI
agent who was kind of on the take, but not really.
He was just, oh, go, what was the guy's name?
That the mobster, Frank Frank Costello. No, that was that's
the Departed, that's Jack Nicholson. But Jack Nicholson's character in
the Department was based on who I'm talking about, Whitey Bulger.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Whitey Bulger, that's right.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And then the last one that I had was the
mockingbird in Dumb and Dumber mock.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Actually, yeah, that's really good. Your honorable mentions might might
be better, might might be better than the actual. It's
such a good category. It was tough to arrow down
to the trifecta. Uh. You know, we talked about this once,
but I thought Dumb and Dumber two was just unforgivably.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Bad, ruined the first one a little bit in your
eyes or now, the first one's an all time classic comedy.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But Dumb and Dumber two was so bad that I
often think of it before Dumb and Dumber. When When
When when the franchise, albeit just two movies, uh, comes into.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Conversation, thus kind of ruining the aura of the first one. Yeah,
I'm glad Happy Gilmore Too didn't do that to the
first Happy Gilmore. He's a ridiculous movie, don't get me wrong,
But I think it paid a good respect to the
first one.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, it paid respect to the original franchise. I thought
the ending with with the with the spinning.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Break out of control. Yeah, but you know that was
loosely based on the ending for Caddyshack.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
There were a lot of not only nods the Happy
Gilmore one, but to uh, to Caddyshack because Happy Gill,
I mean, excuse me, Caddyshack ended when a force majeur
caused the putt unexpectedly drop.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah that's a good point. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
So there were and there was a there was a
line that was a direct lift from Caddyshack and Happy
gilmore too.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I can't remember. It's a blind spot for me right now.
And I like that. I think I mean no palomage
to those kind of movies for sure. Caddy Shak is
the golf movie. Yeah, I wish we could just talk
about this crap and not the freaking.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Steve McCartney and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm so
psyched for McCartney. It sucks the Penguins are in Sweden,
not because it's not a cool trip, but because they're
off for these next three days.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I would love a Penguins game, you know what.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I'm going to talk about maybe later, maybe tomorrow, because
I have too much material for today. But I get
home last night, okay, and I I'm flipping a dial.
I come to sports and at Pittsburgh they were playing
a Penguins game from nineteen seventy seven, Penguin's at Toronto
Bob prints on play by play, the gun or the
legendary baseball announcer, and he was so well, you know
(37:53):
what's funny. I remembered him being worse. He was actually
really good. He just didn't know hockey, and that what
made it funny.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's the classic.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
They have it.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Now we have another.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
They got it exactly, he said, he said, I remember, uh,
he called Phillis Posito the nit picker because he got
all the goals from in front and he and he goes,
and he goes, somebody needs to take the knit picker,
just shove their stick down his throat.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
And then I guess the gunner thought about how it sounded.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
And then well, I mean I don't mean that really,
I mean just and then and then, but yesterday Tiger
Williams the paper, the maple leafs pest of the era.
He was saying, we owe that Tiger Williams a good ripping.
He goes, if not this game, then some other game.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I'd love to see Dick Pepperfield call a nice hockey game.
Do you think he would translate from basketball to hockey,
from from semi to me from semi redwood the tandem.
I thought those were two of the best characters in
the movie.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
And actually when Dick Pepperfield did the play by play
on the game, he was actually competent.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, he was competent.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
What my favorite Dick pepper There were so many good
Dick Pepperfield lines. We are gonna go get some no
what what what, but it'll be fun. But the other
one was, uh, Jackie's teammates doing just a terrible job
stabilizing his spine.
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