November 12, 2025 • 38 mins
Mark and Tommy Radio talk a ton of things today from the good ol Steelers, Paul SKenes winning Cy Young tonight, some music and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Paul McCartney and Robert planned in twenty twenty five inside
of two weeks, and they were both great. If you're
younger than a certain age, you didn't have music like
I did. You had rap and food fighters not quite
the same thing. There's a remake of The Running Man
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coming out Jayalen Warren is the star, but only on
first and second down. The Steelers picked up a Sante
Samuel Junior the quarterback MVS is gonna get a helmet
Sunday at why not? Probably and neither one will make
one damn bit a difference. Will Howard got activated and
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the crowd goes crazy. I feel like Aaron Rodgers my
crack on Sunday between the New York Post story, crap
weaponry and a crap game plan. We saw the warning
signs at LA. Maybe Flacco outplays Rogers. Maybe the Bengals
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sweep the season series. Maybe the Steelers are in real trouble.
Would any Steeler make the Pro Bowl? Maybe Cam Heyward
for lifetime achievement, and he's been okay, but he's too
old and slow to play flag football. No Steeler is
even close to All Pro. Maybe the kicker, but f
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the kicker there's not a single great team in the NFL.
That's because there's not a single great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You heard me. Mahomes and Allen are only playing very.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Good right now, not great they have Maybe they will again,
but not now. We overrate guys like g Love Burrows
always hurt. As the result, the NFL is wide open.
Any team could win it, but not the Steelers. The
same goes for the NHL. Not one great team, not
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one great goaltender either, none that you'd bet on to
win a big game. When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top. The problem is the
Steelers never get to the bottom. Ergo no back to
the top. This is the Mark Man Show and it
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is indeed coming down fast. You can follow me on
Twitter at Mark Madden x. Paul Skeens will get the
Cy Young Award tonight. The announcement is at seven, but
it's anticlimactic. What's a little more interesting is there's a
report on a website in New York, well New Jersey
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nj dot com that said Skeens has no confidence in
the Pirates organization to win. Well, duh, he's not stupid,
and he's also talking openly to teammates that he wants
to play for the New York Yankees, and apparently an
anonymous teammate was a source for this story. Ken Rosenthal,
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the baseball writer, we got this sound. A little bit later,
he said, the Pirates want to spend more in free agency.
Robert Murray, another baseball guy, he said basically the same thing.
I don't believe a word. The Pirates plant that stuff
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to keep you marks engaged. It's crap. Even if the
Pirates did intend to spend more and follow through on it,
what free agent with any ability and desire to win
would want to come play for the Pirates. Ike Taylor
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adopted a service dog yesterday and thanked him. I like
so dumb. He thought it was veterinarian's day. The Pitt
coach Paton Ardoozi him saying it doesn't matter if Pitt
beats Notre Dame on Saturday, said that Notre Dame could
score one hundred points as long as Pitt wins the
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next two ACC games.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
What a dun ski.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Nardoozi says that with college game Day in town and
all this height Notre Dame at number nine in the
college football playoff rankings. Pitt at number twenty two, and
this game seems winnable. It's the fiftieth anniversary of Tony
Dorsett tearing Notre Dame de Schrants and launching the pit
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football program in a big national championship caliber way back when,
and this absolute Dulton Ardoozi says the game don't matter.
For him to say that is unbelievably upid, even for him.
Whenever people bitch about how bad Roderick Jones is at
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left tackle, I remind him that Tomlin ruined him, drafted
him to be the long term left tackle, traded up,
in fact, moved him to right tackle, benched him for
a while, made him a swing tackle, and all that
to keep Dan Moore Junior in the starting lineup at
left tackle. And he proved himself to be and even
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now at Tennessee, the worst at the position in the NFL.
If Broderick Jones ain't good like he should be, that's
on his developments or lack thereof by the Steelers, that
is on Tomlin. I did a column for The Trip
today about the Penguins shootout Pecadillo, the problems they got there.
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I did some more research, like googled, didn't exactly have
to track it down. Although a lot of NHL shootout
information it's not easy to find. It's like it's on
the dark web, which luckily I have some.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Anyway, here's their top three shooters in the shootout on
their careers. Russ at forty three point eight percent, Raquel
at forty point five percent, Sit at thirty eight point
five percent.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So those are the three that should go. They're practicing
it now.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
If somebody, you know, a kindle whatever, comes out of
nowhere and is good at it, yeah let him go.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But go with the percentages.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm glad they're finally practicing and it shouldn't have taken
utter humiliation in three straight shootouts this year to spur that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
But better late than never.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Chilloffs is one for eight on shots this year, but
was three for three before this year. Dry is eight
percentage is sixty two point five percent, and his record
is seven and ten more shot. It's a small stample,
but he's stopped five out of five shoot off tries
over his days in the American Hockey League. But I say, again,
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you cannot rush morrishoff. But it didn't solve a lot.
If he's ready, obviously for the sixty minutes of regulation,
but also if it does get to a shootout. McCartney
show was great. Didn't play rock show, didn't play Junior's farm.
But he's not a jukebox I get it. And he's
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ever to Liverpool so probably just wanted to f with me.
But yeah, just a fantastic performance by him. I went
to the Steelhead at the Marriott before the McCartney show
last night. What a great place and they always take
care of me, so thanks to them. Flank Steak and
Savage is terrific. And what concerts do I got coming?
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I mean nothing imminent? Does that mean I have to
pay more attention to football? Nah?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
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Speaker 1 (08:00):
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Speaker 2 (08:10):
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Speaker 1 (08:20):
Here's another kill shot from Matt Williamson on Twitter. The Steelers'
opponents have produced fifty six more first downs, six hundred
and seventy more passing yards, nine and thirty nine more
total yards, and one hundred and twenty seven more plays
one hundred and twenty seven more plays. When you look
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at those numbers, maybe the Steelers are lucky to be
five and four instead of three and six. Pat mcavie
had Donald Trump on his show. I got no problem.
I'd have Trump on my show or Biden if he
could stay awake. Let's not talk to Tommy Radio. Tom
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the Steelers picked up a Sante Samuel Junior gonna go
on the practice squad, ain't gonna play against Cincinnati? You
would think, not, What would you do with him when
you feel he's you know, up to snuff, catching up
to the system. What kind of rule?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Because I gotta be honest, I might stick him right
in there.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Given the the just despicable nature of their defensive backfield
and with Jaylen Ramsey having moved to safety.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I completely agree with you on that. And Santa Samuel
Junior isn't a bomb like. He's twenty six years old
and had a good career until he had that bad
injury last year. But that's the catch, right, Maybe he's
just done because of a terrible injury and just derails
his young and promising career. But he's an okay number
two corner. So if things are okay, if that surgery
went well, and you see, you know, after a week
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of him on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Hell yeah, throw him out there. It's gotta be worth
to try. It's got to be.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, better than play saying Darius Slay, who should never play?
That'd be okay, listen to what I have to say.
But yeah, I don't picture them doing that. I picture
him like paying his dues and working in slowly and
by the time that all happens, you know, they're out
in the wild card round or don't even make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And paying his dues for who Darius Slay when he
clears concussion protocol James Pierre. It's just would be really
asinine to make him pay his dues for players with
those qualities.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Hold on, I won't have you be smirched, James Pierre,
because he was good. You're right, he's the only overachiever
on the entire Steelers roster. Slay's been so bad they
should release release them. They should just cut him. Seriously.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't disagree with that, but they're just so razor
than at that position that I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I think a guy that's that bad and I'm
sure his ego hasn't dipped accordingly. I just don't want
him on the team. I certainly don't want him on
the field.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, James Pierre did catch astray there. You're right, he
did overachieve. He was good last week. But if a
Sante Samuel Junior shows that he's what he was in
his first three years in LA, that's better than James Pierre.
You got to put him out there, and it was an.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Upbring, and the sooner the better because like the way
things are going, there's no time to f around like
they gonna, you know, get things headed. I don't want
to say the right direction because they're just, you know,
a little over a week of removed from beating Indianapolis,
who is one of the best teams in the AFC.
But they have to find a formula that can establish
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some level of consistency and keep them in the division race.
And I feel funny saying that keep them in the
division race when they actually lead it. Right now. I
put a blog up today tom where I talked about
how Indianapolis and New England have made significant change and
look at the standings. The Steelers just do same old,
same old, and you know, they're the same old Steelers.
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But then it go pointed out to me the Steelers
beat both those teams, and that's true, but I've said
that I feel like the Colts and Patriots more beat
themselves with all them turnovers.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Then the Steelers beat that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And sure, the Steelers beat the Colts and Patriots, that's
a fact. But could you really say that you think
that those two teams aren't on a much better trajectory
than the Steelers are right now? You'd be lying to
yourself if you said that they're on a great path,
the Patriots more so than the Colts, because I'm more
of a believer in Drake May than I am and
Danny Dimes right now. But both of those teams look
like they're not just gonna be good this year, mark,
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but they're gonna be good for a couple of years
to come at least. So they're on a much better
path right now than the Steelers those two.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You're a pit guy, what's your take on Nardoozy saying
it doesn't matter if they lose.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
To Notre Dame. All this hype and game day here.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You know, I'm just not surprised that he would say
something like that. Anytime Pit creeps into the national spotlight
like this, he seems to always put his foot in
his mouth. He did it in less than twenty four
hours after the game day announcement, So that was a
little shocking that he just like kind of rushed to
the microphone to say something stupid. It's just one of
the dumbest things I've heard a coach say. And I'm
sure the second dumbest thing I've heard a coach say
was from Pat Nardoozi too. It's Notre Dame. First of all,
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like you always want to beat Notre Dame. That's a
marquee game, Ayre, it's your college game.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
There. There's so much hype two n teams number nine
versus number twenty two, and it feels like the winnable game.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
If they beat Notre Dame, even if.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's not an ACC contest, it propels them to the
edge of making the College Football Playoff. It gets them
what probably gained five spots in the rankings.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No question, you're not gonna agree with me on this,
but say they beat Notre Dame and then went out
and for some reason in the tiebreakers don't get to
go to the ACC championship game, they would have three
wins over a top ten Notre Dame and then two
top fifteen teams in the college Football playoff to end
the season. They'd probably still be on the outside looking in,
but they'd probably be like the number thirteen team, don't
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you think, like the team right there just missing and.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
The pitfans who are the biggest cry babies in the world.
I mean, you know that you're one of them. They
would just correct. They would just have their knickers in
a twist forever about it, which is what they like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They like to be mad.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
If we were just on the edge of the playoffs
there and didn't get in, and that would also because
West Virginia beat them, which because.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We got screwed. We got screwed that team number number twelve.
We're better than them, even though they probably wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well, they lost. They lost. You can't excuse that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I can get what if they finished thirteen in the ranking,
I know, and and the h in the in the
in the committee, people said, well number twelve wherever it is,
didn't lose the West.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Virginia that's hanging over your head right now.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And if they were to beat Notre Dame, which I
don't know if I think they're gonna beat Notre Dame anyway,
but if they were and they get down that path
where it's possible to kind of flirt with an at
large bid, Yeah, that's really gonna suck that you lost
to West Virginia in Morgantown.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Do you believe for one second that Parts are gonna
spend more money? No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
It's do you agree with me that they plant that
stuff to keep the sentences engaged?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah? I mean and even full the clubhouse.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
What was Rosenthal he was saying he was at the
GM meeting when he was like, that's Sherrington just wanders
over to him and he's like, Hey, we're gonna spend
some money, We're gonna be aggressive. Get that word out there.
They don't have to follow through on that. All they're
looking for is that SoundBite right now, and Rosenthal gave
it to him.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And nobody with the shred of dignity.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Really the I thought they could, you know, play somewhere
else have a better chance to win, which is anywhere
else you know, No who wants to come to the pirates.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Oh, absolutely, even with Paul Skeans, the best picture in
baseball because people are now seeing how much they're wasting
the best picture in baseball. So having the best picture
in baseball is almost more of a detriment to people
on the outside looking and they're like, they have one
of the greatest players you could have, and they think,
what am I gonna do if I go there?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
They're just gonna waste me too.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
How about that report at NJ dot com that says, yeah,
it quotes an anonymous pirate, not an anonymous Steeler wife
and girlfriend, but an anonymous pirate saying that Skeens has no
faith in the organization to compete, and he would like
to play for the New York Yankees.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I believe that first part, that he has no faith
in the organization to compete. Do you really think that
he's out there naming the Yankees specifically, though? I think
Skeens wants to go to just the highest bidder, and
he knows that the teams that are gonna bid higher
competitive teams, the Phillies, the Dodgers, the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, but I think maybe he said somebody like the Yankees.
Maybe that's the case. Is he a childhood Yankee fan?
I think no. I don't think he is.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
We all thought Garrett Cole would want to go home
to Southern col but he turned out to be a
childhood Yankee fan.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I kind of had that story reek, a little bit
of a fanboy nature, right, like a Yankee guy being like, oh,
let's get some Yankee talkoing. And now if you Google
or if you Twitter search Paul Skins, it's just a
bunch of Yankee accounts, like blog accounts being like Paul
Skeans wants to be a Yankee. He wants to be
a Yankee.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's the media. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
People make stuff up, they really do. You know where
it was born of is in the Canadian hockey media,
because you know, like example, the Sid thing, Okay, Shid
has never said he wants to leave ever, I mean
the poison thing, that kind of you know, stirred the puppet.
Sid's never said it, He's never said anything but exactly
the opposite fact. But to them it makes sense. So
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to report it could happen makes sense even when nobody's
currently trying to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, exactly, it's I think guarantee.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
The Kyle Dubas has not taking one call about a
potential trade for Sidney Crosby.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, I don't think he would have either, And.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yet the speculation is there because again they make it up,
and you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Other than the Brassan thing, which wasn't sid directly, the
closest it came to sid directly, he's been adamant on
the opposite side of that story, saying I don't want
to leave. I want to be a penguin. There's nothing
here that makes me want to leave, but just no
one wants to believe it. In this case, though Paul
Skins does want to leave, he does want to get
out of Pittsburgh. I'm just not sure it has to
be the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Tom I mentioned that I saw Robert Plant and Paul
McCartney inside of two weeks. They were both great in
your generation. Who do you consider to be like you're
McCartney and Plant?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh man, I don't know about the answering this question.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
This has putting me on the spot because there really
isn't like that thirty one years old.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Your music sucks like your air of music blows us.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, I don't listen to these people, Okay, but wouldn't
it be like the Taylor Swift like wouldn't that be
who it is? A bieber even has reached like heights
of pop star status that it's, you know, world famous.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You said that our generation in your open didn't get
to grow up with your music, and you're right, we
didn't get to like grow up with it, but we
still got it, Like we still enjoy it a lot.
It's still a lot of my favorite music comes from
your era.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Like Grandy Maman said when I was on the DV
morning show. Part of it is that like the guys
that we like were in the early days of rock
and roll, like Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins,
guys like that invented it and these guys took it
the next step. And I think grunge took it in
a different direction, not a better direction, but a good direction.
And after that it's been pretty much recycling. Like Redavan Fleet,
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I love them. I'm not sure there's a lot different there.
I'm not sure there's a lot different to be done
after how many years.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Of rock and roll. I mean it's really just three
main categories now, right.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You got your wrap, your pop, and then your country
and that kind of just floods the zone of all
music popular music right now?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, there's no I mean there's classic rock, and there's
groups that replicate classic rock, like Greta Van Fleet, like
The Stretch to some degree.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I could name a few.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
More, The Killers stuff like that. Yeah, right right, but
they're not really in the mainstream as much as the
wrap the pop and country has really exploded.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
There's a ton of you know, you know, you know
why because you can still make money in country because
the crab kickers still buy CDs, they still buy music,
they stick in their CD player in their pickup truck,
and I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
There's still some real money there. Yeah, there's some other
like Dirty Honey is kind of like classic rock esque.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But just not able to catch like it did back
in that time, like where they're like the most popular
band in the world.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You know, you see a lot of those groups like
Rival Sons, Dirty Honey, Grena Van Fleet. I give them
credit because they become a legitimate arena band that can
sell out PPG. But like Dirty Honey, Rival Sons, like
I remember the first time I saw Rival Sons, they
were opening for Black Sabbath. You know, and it's on
SAB's last tour. The point is they're kind of coat
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tailing off of Black Sabbath. Yeah, and that's okay, But
my point is that's what needs to be done for
that sort of music.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Like that. Yeah. Yeah, the passing of the baton almost absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
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Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like I said earlier, people are talking about the Sante
Samuel Junior coming in and starting right away. I mean
not this week he's on the practice squad, but maybe
the following week. And that's crazy and I doubt it,
but it almost makes sense an educated gamble, risk It,
no biscuit and bench Darius Slay cut Darius Slay Darius
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should never play again. Slay, one of the usual suspects,
tweeted that Samuel chose the Steelers specifically because he wanted
to play for Tomlin. Okay, but is he any good
or does Tomlin just appeal to crappy players?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
He's a dumpster diver.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Samuel came to Pittsburgh because the defensive backfield blows and
he thinks he can get on the field pretty quick.
And he's probably right about that, not this week, but
I don't know though. Jamar Chase. I mean, who's going
to cover Jamar Chase On Sunday? The talk about trading
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Tom Will continues to the New York Johants for their
first round pick, which right now would be third overall. Actually,
I saw one of the usual suspects again downgraded at
the second round pick because the notion of trading the
third pick overall for a coach is just beyond absurd.
So Tom Whin, I guess, would go to the Giants
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and ruin Jackson Darts. If this was nineteen eighty, the
usual suspects would talk about trading Tom Win tweran for
the hostages. Uh, Tom, what do you make of all
Tom Win talk? It's just over the top nuts. And
why would he leave Pittsburgh when it offers him job
security that no coach has anywhere else, and that he
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certainly could not get anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
No question, he wouldn't go to New York and then
get you know, twenty years of carte blanche and be
able to do whatever he wants and the owners there
would just tolerate it. That only stays with him as
long as he stays as the Pittsburgh head coach. It's
probably the most secure job in sports, right, yes, Burgs
Steelers head coach, even beyond just you know, Mike Tomlin
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and how he's never fired at that.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Like Tomlin obviously had a very good first let's say
quarter of his resume, right, sure, let's say the entire
resume was like the last three quarters, which is to say,
not very good. He still wouldn't get fired. The Steelers
just don't fire the coach.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I tend to believe you on that man, It would
have been a really cool experiment to see if it
would have gone this long, and it would have acted
like the last three quarters of his resume to see
how far they'd push it. I think there is a
healthy fear when it comes to making that next hire,
too right. You don't want to be the Rooney that
goes and hires the coach that doesn't win the Super Bowl,
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that doesn't go to the Hall of Fame, because right
now it's three for three as far as your family
is concerned.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Fuels the security of keeping him up.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean, it does in their minds, but it's no
less stupid just to say I believe the Steelers have
become a really bad organization. They've kept his coach around
too long. Their offensive approach is Neanderthal. They go for
rock fights, they go against the grain to no great success.
Sometimes you can do that and succeed, and FORBD a
time they did. But I keep going back to Colin Kyle,
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who said years ago that Tomlin is a defensive coach
in an offensive era and it's just not working.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And it really isn't working.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And people always say, well, if the Steelers got rid
of Tomlin, didn't have another job in fifteen minutes A.
I'm not totally sure about that anymore. And B would
it be a good job. The Giants aren't a good job.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean, it's a horrible franchise. You don't think so
it's a good logo, terrible, I mean good brand.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Good quarterback. Too young quarterback, there's some young a. We'll
see about that. I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We'll see about that. I mean he's probably I mean,
what's his ceiling?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Mike Tomlin ain't the guy to get him to that ceiling.
I'm almost certain of that. Mike, Mike Thomas got to
ruin him more likely that's the case, then get him
to where he could go. You need an offensive guy
with someone like that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
A little while ago, I talked about how Mike Tomlin's
ruined Broderick Jones, and then Broderick Jones being so bad
left tackle is on his lack of development.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You agree with that, Yeah, I think it's a big
part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I can't just excuse Broderick Jones completely though, I mean,
your first round talent, so, I mean, you know, make
a living in the end.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
No, but I also feel like he's a rookie left.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Tackle because year.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, and to do that for Dan Moore exactly, to
keep Dan Moore Junior in a frigging lineup. It's like
thing about Mike Tomlin is Okay, I'm trying to have
a good way to word this. He's really effing dumb.
He makes some decisions that you're like, I mean, why
do he do that? Why would anybody do that? Like this,
this Dan Moore thing, it's unbelievable to this day, and
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not enough people called him out on it, not not
even now after the fact.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
The Dan Moore thing was that rare decision that you
see made in real time that you know is a
bad decision, like present time. As it's being made, You're like, well,
that's stupid. Why would you do that? And then it
played out exactly like everybody thought it would, is that
it was a dumb idea, and Dan Moore sucks. And
now he's in Tennessee sucking even worse than he did
as a Seamon.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Even in his absence. He's killing the Steelers because he
set Jones back.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Like if Jones was a third year left tackle, if
you got right in that left tackle and still was
this bad, I'd say, okay, it's on him.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But that's not the way it transpired.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I just don't get how somebody gets to go to
the coaching staff and say I don't play right tackle,
I only play left tackle.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Even I'm not sure Dan Moore did than an arrogance.
I think he probably spoke out of I don't know,
maybe desperation, maybe because he knew Tom was a mark
for vetro.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Okay, Well, then how does he's not very much a
veteran either when he said that he was only second
or third year said that, and I'll, I mean, like, okay,
who cares?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know what that ties into with the Steelers in
in general and Tom into particular. Better the devil. They
know they prefer stability to success, and who cares?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
If it didn't come from a place of arrogance, you
just tell Dan Moore, well, you better learn to play
right tackle and get comfortable over there. Else your NFL career,
your career as a Steeler is gonna be done because
we've got a left tackle that we traded up for
and he's starting at left tackle this year. They tried
to make the rookie figure it out instead of the
bum Dan Moore.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
See, Tom was just a crap coach. He's just a moron.
I mean, I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And the reason I'm stressing it maybe too strongly, is
because nobody else stresses it strongly at all. I mean,
look at what he inherited, Ben, and since then he's
mangled quarterback, the most important job a coach and an
organization can have. Him and the Steelers have mangled quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
And the window that he had to win with the
Killer Bees he fell short. And a lot of times
that was a deficient defense. He didn't come close to
maximize from a defensive coach. You know, he couldn't elevate
that defensive side of the ball. I'd let the team
down a lot during that Killer Bee era.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, he's bad at building.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
There's just so much that the guy sucks at like
and he's nowhere near a Hall of Fame coach. If
you looked at resume objectively, he's nowhere near a Hall
of Fame coach. And I'll say it again.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm not afraid to say this.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I've said it constantly recently, and I think people know
it's true. People don't like to blast him and point
out that he's not a Hall of Fame coach and
point out how bad the last seventy five eighty percent
of his resume has been because no one wants to
bash the preeminent black coach in football. That's just fact.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You can't ignore that factor. You're right about that. His
resume doesn't warrant the automatic Hall of Fame bid. You
know what I mean, it doesn't warrant like that. Everybody
kind of just like goes, oh, of course he's a
Hall of Famer, like it's just a given.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
There should be serious debate about it, but there's not.
It's just get him in. He'll be first ballot. I mean, Mark,
Mike Shanahan is still not in the Hall of Fame.
That man won multiple Super Bowls and had revolutionized the
offensive game.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It was like being in a rock revolutionized like but
almost all the offenses right now are because of Mike Shanahan,
including the one his freaking sun runs in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, I I Mike, Mike contempt. You know what, you
know what is? You know what my contempt for Tomlin is?
Even I've done by Mike contempt for those who won't
tell it like it is with Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Well, and that's just the case with the Steelers in general. Too,
and like that the myth that is still alive when
it comes to the Steelers, all the.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Steeler media stooges, the local yocals. You know what they
all say whenever they know what they're doing, they know
what they're doing. And with Tom One never never had
a losing season. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's been a track record that says that in a
long time.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Do you think the citizens are finally tired of you know,
the no losing seasons crap and not doing anything in
the playoffs and every season, like one thing that I've
pointed out that's come to pass this season is exactly
like the last how many That's why I thinks or
seven exactly like.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It feels the same.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You brought in Aaron Rodgers, all these different veterans, and
it feels exactly the same. And by the way, what
a horrible mistake that TJ. Watt contract is.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yes, that's why I think it is wearing thin with
the fan base now is because it's year six seven
of the same exact thing over and it's almost just
hitting them into submission over the head, right, like they
have to be tired of it or else you're just
a super mark.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
We get a great sound bite later Kyle Brandt from
the UH from Good Morning Football talking about the Steelers
path to nine and eight.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But let me ask you this, we're gonna play it later.
Does nine and eight make the playoffs? I don't know
about that. I don't know if that's going to get
you the seventh wild card. This nine and eight doesn't
win the division. No, no chance.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
They're in a favorable spot tiebreaker wise, except they finally
got a bad blow in that department with the Chargers
beating them. But they have a good AFC record right now.
Ten and seven for sure gets you In nine and eight,
you're flirting with disaster.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Not unlike Molly Hatchett.
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Speaker 2 (30:49):
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Speaker 1 (30:52):
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it was an embarrassing conversation because I thought it had
something to do with Cashews not eating.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And anyway, what are we offer the trifecta? For today's trifecta? Mark?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Oh, you have a Skeens trifector. I've got three good
skiing stats. Since tonight is the night that he will
win Sai Young, what if he doesn't it would be shocking, Right,
He's an overwhelming favor.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Who else could get it? Who would be the second joint?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Christopher Sanchez and I think Yamamoto are on the ballot.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Too, the you vote before the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yes, so it's not gonna be Yamamoto because of his
amazing postseason performance.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, there's no way he can't get it. Okay, So
what do you got? All right?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Number three for me? This is the lowest single season
ERA by a Pirates starter in the live ball era.
Paul Skeins posted a one point ninety seven ERA. He
bested Bob Veal's two point oh five in nineteen sixty eight.
Also in nineteen sixty eight, and now in third place
on that list is Bob or excuse me, Steve Blast
with a two point one two era.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
They were mowing them down in sixty eight, weren't they.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, that was the year that pitching was so dominant
sixty eight that they lowered demand the next year. Oh okay,
like like Danny McClain won thirty one games for Detroit
and Bob Gibson had a one point one to two era.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, funny you mentioned wins there, because these next two
have to do with Skins and his wins Paul Skins.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
By the way, Bob Veale hit on my mother. Really, yes,
in that year when he posted the best of the
RA in Pirates history.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Probably seventy or seventy one since the RA become an
official stat in nineteen thirteen. Skeens is the only MLB
pitcher to finish with two hundred plus strikeouts in a
sub TOWO era.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But not have a winning record. Well, I mean, he
plays for the Pirates, sucks so badly and in that
vein the number one fact.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Do you think he told he tells his teammates he
wants to play for the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
No, I don't think it's specifically the Yankees. Oh wait, yeah,
we said that before.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
But I think he does tell them that he does
not like the way that this organization is run. I
think he tells people that, you know, to their face,
maybe in that organization.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Sometimes, I don't know. I don't know. He's so collected.
I don't know. That's what makes it hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I can't see him giving a demeanor he projects publicly,
even saying that to his teammates.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think he flips like the Phil Hartman Ronald Reagan
skit in SNL when the kids would leave the room
and Skeen slips the switch and he just starts screaming
all the front office in his teammates, all right, Number
one for me though.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Ten wins, he's gonna win the cy Young.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That ties Jacob deGrom for fewest wins as a starting
pitcher to also get the Cy Young. That is also
the first starting pitcher to win the cy Young without
a winning record at five hundred or lower.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
The trifecta brought to us spite Danny's pettern hogies Pittsburgh's
original of him make Togy since nineteen sixty that's Danny's
on Route eighty eight and Bethel Park.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I think Skeens is gonna want out.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I keep him next year at minimum wage, but I
think when things go bad for the Powers, it don't
spend money again. I think if Skeens is ever gonna
get mouthed, it's gonna be this year when they suck
again and don't spend money again despite talking about money.
And by the way, if for some reason what Ken
Rosenthal reported is true and the Pirates not only intend
to spend more money but follow through on it, I
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think that'll be because of the pressure to try and
keep Skeins through arbitration anyway without him asking out.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So you think Skins will make some noise this year
towards the trade deadline if things are going south, if
the team sucks and they should clearly be sellers.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I can't say that he will, because he never has.
But I can tell you that I would. I would
have by now.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
My only thing is I wonder if he would just
wait until the entire season comes to pass, and then
when he gets into that first arbitration offseason, that's when
he's like even if you guys pick up this arbitration thing,
I'm gonna be a pain in the ass for the
entire season.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So yeah, I don't think that's in his nature. Yeah,
I think you're probably right. He's like a good soldier, right, literally,
a good soldier. He went to Air Force. I don't
know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean I don't because he he really is kind
of a blank canvas, like we don't know a lot
about him except as a cheap skate with that charity thing.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
We only give a thousand bucks.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But I don't have a feel like but if I
were him, I would have wanted out.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I would have said so by now.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And I think that they'll trade him once he gets
to arbitration.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
So maybe he doesn't have to say anything. Maybe next
year's his last year here no matter what.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And he knows that he does put forth the persona
that he really cares about winning, like that winning is
really important to him.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
He wants to be on a winner.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
He wants to pitch in October and deep into the
postseason and have those big moments. And I'm not saying
he's not gonna go you know, big money hunting when
it's free agent time and he doesn't want to get,
you know, the five hundred and six hundred million dollar deal.
But I'm just saying I think he would have been
able to stomach.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Pittsburgh for these first three, four or five years more
if there was more commitment to spending around him. Oh,
he's enjoyed being at Pittsburgh. I see him at Marcus
Square all the time. It's just the team.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's just he knows that the team is just such
a dead end and it's robbing him of those moments.
Like he watches i'm sure Yamamoto and the Dodgers' pitchers
and he's just like, that's I need that. I want
to have those moments. I want to go into the
night thinning at one hundred and twenty pitches.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You know, it strikes me he could have been a
market Square looking for drugs. Plus Keynes, you've been to
Market Square to deal with the pirate probably, Kay, You see,
you're dead panning too much. I didn't see him in
Market Square ever. It's a bad place. Nobody should go there.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I used to love you. I did that. They're trying
to sell that he enjoyed Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I used to love Market Square. I used to walk
down from Duke Kene's campus all the time, eat lunch there.
It was great you went to do Kane. I did
I feel like I've told you that several several times.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, but your pit guy, you're Pitt fan. Yeah, I know,
you know, you're like you're like the postcase at high
school sports editor Mike White went to do Kane, rabid
pit fan.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Pit wouldn't let me in, would root for what they
would let me in? Mark, they tried to go to Johnstown,
didn't want to go to Johnstown, n Y. That's right.
I got him both. You also got into like Penn, right,
that's correct. Not Harvard. I didn't even apply to I
applied to Harvard just to be a dick. I knew.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I knew first off Shaler and really what else would
make them not take me?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Did you think you could get into Penn? Did you
think you have a good chance? It was kind of
like a long shot too, that you were surprised came through.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well, I mean tested IQ high SATs, which I think, uh,
you know, it's funny. I always say twelve fifty, but
I think that's because I have confused with my old
radio station.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I think I did.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I think, but that I did then I think it
was thirteen sixty. But that was WIXI where I actually
did a few phill instints at one point between jobs.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
See I didn't even use my SAT scores. I used
my act My SATs were so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Now I'm why did I work at WIXI.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I don't know, compete for twelve fifty I went right
to I went right, Oh, I know what it was.
I was in a contract just beet with twelve fifty
for a bit, and like you know, eventually went back
but did some filling stuff at WIXI.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
In the XC in the midd Yeah, okay, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
WIXI studio was like at route, Uh, what's the what's
the route that goes like to Greensburg but not the
Parkway thirty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I think thirty sounds right to me. Yeah, And their
studio was like in this in this like house, Oh
those yeah, that's pretty cool, though there's charm to that
we should do this show out of a house.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Uh no, uh not not my you know. You know
they built a studio for back when Myron. Myron had
a in his own home, in his own home. They
not a portable studio like I had to use for
the COVID pandemic. Yeah, they like they built him a
studio because it was closer to the liquor cabinet one
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Paul McCartney and Robert planned in twenty twenty five inside
of two weeks, and they were both great. If you're
younger than a certain age, you didn't have music like
I did. You had rap and food fighters not quite
the same thing. There's a remake of The Running Man
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coming out Jayalen Warren is the star, but only on
first and second down. The Steelers picked up a Sante
Samuel Junior the quarterback MVS is gonna get a helmet
Sunday at why not? Probably and neither one will make
one damn bit a difference. Will Howard got activated and
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the crowd goes crazy. I feel like Aaron Rodgers my
crack on Sunday between the New York Post story, crap
weaponry and a crap game plan. We saw the warning
signs at LA. Maybe Flacco outplays Rogers. Maybe the Bengals
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sweep the season series. Maybe the Steelers are in real trouble.
Would any Steeler make the Pro Bowl? Maybe Cam Heyward
for lifetime achievement, and he's been okay, but he's too
old and slow to play flag football. No Steeler is
even close to All Pro. Maybe the kicker, but f
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the kicker there's not a single great team in the NFL.
That's because there's not a single great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You heard me. Mahomes and Allen are only playing very.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Good right now, not great they have Maybe they will again,
but not now. We overrate guys like g Love Burrows
always hurt. As the result, the NFL is wide open.
Any team could win it, but not the Steelers. The
same goes for the NHL. Not one great team, not
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one great goaltender either, none that you'd bet on to
win a big game. When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top. The problem is the
Steelers never get to the bottom. Ergo no back to
the top. This is the Mark Man Show and it
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is indeed coming down fast. You can follow me on
Twitter at Mark Madden x. Paul Skeens will get the
Cy Young Award tonight. The announcement is at seven, but
it's anticlimactic. What's a little more interesting is there's a
report on a website in New York, well New Jersey
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nj dot com that said Skeens has no confidence in
the Pirates organization to win. Well, duh, he's not stupid,
and he's also talking openly to teammates that he wants
to play for the New York Yankees, and apparently an
anonymous teammate was a source for this story. Ken Rosenthal,
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the baseball writer, we got this sound. A little bit later,
he said, the Pirates want to spend more in free agency.
Robert Murray, another baseball guy, he said basically the same thing.
I don't believe a word. The Pirates plant that stuff
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to keep you marks engaged. It's crap. Even if the
Pirates did intend to spend more and follow through on it,
what free agent with any ability and desire to win
would want to come play for the Pirates. Ike Taylor
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adopted a service dog yesterday and thanked him. I like
so dumb. He thought it was veterinarian's day. The Pitt
coach Paton Ardoozi him saying it doesn't matter if Pitt
beats Notre Dame on Saturday, said that Notre Dame could
score one hundred points as long as Pitt wins the
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next two ACC games.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
What a dun ski.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Nardoozi says that with college game Day in town and
all this height Notre Dame at number nine in the
college football playoff rankings. Pitt at number twenty two, and
this game seems winnable. It's the fiftieth anniversary of Tony
Dorsett tearing Notre Dame de Schrants and launching the pit
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football program in a big national championship caliber way back when,
and this absolute Dulton Ardoozi says the game don't matter.
For him to say that is unbelievably upid, even for him.
Whenever people bitch about how bad Roderick Jones is at
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left tackle, I remind him that Tomlin ruined him, drafted
him to be the long term left tackle, traded up,
in fact, moved him to right tackle, benched him for
a while, made him a swing tackle, and all that
to keep Dan Moore Junior in the starting lineup at
left tackle. And he proved himself to be and even
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now at Tennessee, the worst at the position in the NFL.
If Broderick Jones ain't good like he should be, that's
on his developments or lack thereof by the Steelers, that
is on Tomlin. I did a column for The Trip
today about the Penguins shootout Pecadillo, the problems they got there.
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I did some more research, like googled, didn't exactly have
to track it down. Although a lot of NHL shootout
information it's not easy to find. It's like it's on
the dark web, which luckily I have some.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Anyway, here's their top three shooters in the shootout on
their careers. Russ at forty three point eight percent, Raquel
at forty point five percent, Sit at thirty eight point
five percent.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So those are the three that should go. They're practicing
it now.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
If somebody, you know, a kindle whatever, comes out of
nowhere and is good at it, yeah let him go.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But go with the percentages.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm glad they're finally practicing and it shouldn't have taken
utter humiliation in three straight shootouts this year to spur that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
But better late than never.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Chilloffs is one for eight on shots this year, but
was three for three before this year. Dry is eight
percentage is sixty two point five percent, and his record
is seven and ten more shot. It's a small stample,
but he's stopped five out of five shoot off tries
over his days in the American Hockey League. But I say, again,
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you cannot rush morrishoff. But it didn't solve a lot.
If he's ready, obviously for the sixty minutes of regulation,
but also if it does get to a shootout. McCartney
show was great. Didn't play rock show, didn't play Junior's farm.
But he's not a jukebox I get it. And he's
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ever to Liverpool so probably just wanted to f with me.
But yeah, just a fantastic performance by him. I went
to the Steelhead at the Marriott before the McCartney show
last night. What a great place and they always take
care of me, so thanks to them. Flank Steak and
Savage is terrific. And what concerts do I got coming?
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I mean nothing imminent? Does that mean I have to
pay more attention to football? Nah?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
What five nine X.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Woody Show? You can stream the X and US The
Woody Show on the free iHeartRadio app weekday mornings at
six one five ninety X.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's the Mark Man Free Game Show on one O
five nine d X.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Here's another kill shot from Matt Williamson on Twitter. The Steelers'
opponents have produced fifty six more first downs, six hundred
and seventy more passing yards, nine and thirty nine more
total yards, and one hundred and twenty seven more plays
one hundred and twenty seven more plays. When you look
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at those numbers, maybe the Steelers are lucky to be
five and four instead of three and six. Pat mcavie
had Donald Trump on his show. I got no problem.
I'd have Trump on my show or Biden if he
could stay awake. Let's not talk to Tommy Radio. Tom
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the Steelers picked up a Sante Samuel Junior gonna go
on the practice squad, ain't gonna play against Cincinnati? You
would think, not, What would you do with him when
you feel he's you know, up to snuff, catching up
to the system. What kind of rule?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Because I gotta be honest, I might stick him right
in there.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Given the the just despicable nature of their defensive backfield
and with Jaylen Ramsey having moved to safety.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I completely agree with you on that. And Santa Samuel
Junior isn't a bomb like. He's twenty six years old
and had a good career until he had that bad
injury last year. But that's the catch, right, Maybe he's
just done because of a terrible injury and just derails
his young and promising career. But he's an okay number
two corner. So if things are okay, if that surgery
went well, and you see, you know, after a week
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of him on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Hell yeah, throw him out there. It's gotta be worth
to try. It's got to be.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, better than play saying Darius Slay, who should never play?
That'd be okay, listen to what I have to say.
But yeah, I don't picture them doing that. I picture
him like paying his dues and working in slowly and
by the time that all happens, you know, they're out
in the wild card round or don't even make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And paying his dues for who Darius Slay when he
clears concussion protocol James Pierre. It's just would be really
asinine to make him pay his dues for players with
those qualities.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Hold on, I won't have you be smirched, James Pierre,
because he was good. You're right, he's the only overachiever
on the entire Steelers roster. Slay's been so bad they
should release release them. They should just cut him. Seriously.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't disagree with that, but they're just so razor
than at that position that I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I think a guy that's that bad and I'm
sure his ego hasn't dipped accordingly. I just don't want
him on the team. I certainly don't want him on
the field.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, James Pierre did catch astray there. You're right, he
did overachieve. He was good last week. But if a
Sante Samuel Junior shows that he's what he was in
his first three years in LA, that's better than James Pierre.
You got to put him out there, and it was an.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Upbring, and the sooner the better because like the way
things are going, there's no time to f around like
they gonna, you know, get things headed. I don't want
to say the right direction because they're just, you know,
a little over a week of removed from beating Indianapolis,
who is one of the best teams in the AFC.
But they have to find a formula that can establish
(11:31):
some level of consistency and keep them in the division race.
And I feel funny saying that keep them in the
division race when they actually lead it. Right now. I
put a blog up today tom where I talked about
how Indianapolis and New England have made significant change and
look at the standings. The Steelers just do same old,
same old, and you know, they're the same old Steelers.
(11:52):
But then it go pointed out to me the Steelers
beat both those teams, and that's true, but I've said
that I feel like the Colts and Patriots more beat
themselves with all them turnovers.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Then the Steelers beat that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And sure, the Steelers beat the Colts and Patriots, that's
a fact. But could you really say that you think
that those two teams aren't on a much better trajectory
than the Steelers are right now? You'd be lying to
yourself if you said that they're on a great path,
the Patriots more so than the Colts, because I'm more
of a believer in Drake May than I am and
Danny Dimes right now. But both of those teams look
like they're not just gonna be good this year, mark,
(12:25):
but they're gonna be good for a couple of years
to come at least. So they're on a much better
path right now than the Steelers those two.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You're a pit guy, what's your take on Nardoozy saying
it doesn't matter if they lose.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
To Notre Dame. All this hype and game day here.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You know, I'm just not surprised that he would say
something like that. Anytime Pit creeps into the national spotlight
like this, he seems to always put his foot in
his mouth. He did it in less than twenty four
hours after the game day announcement, So that was a
little shocking that he just like kind of rushed to
the microphone to say something stupid. It's just one of
the dumbest things I've heard a coach say. And I'm
sure the second dumbest thing I've heard a coach say
was from Pat Nardoozi too. It's Notre Dame. First of all,
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like you always want to beat Notre Dame. That's a
marquee game, Ayre, it's your college game.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
There. There's so much hype two n teams number nine
versus number twenty two, and it feels like the winnable game.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
If they beat Notre Dame, even if.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's not an ACC contest, it propels them to the
edge of making the College Football Playoff. It gets them
what probably gained five spots in the rankings.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No question, you're not gonna agree with me on this,
but say they beat Notre Dame and then went out
and for some reason in the tiebreakers don't get to
go to the ACC championship game, they would have three
wins over a top ten Notre Dame and then two
top fifteen teams in the college Football playoff to end
the season. They'd probably still be on the outside looking in,
but they'd probably be like the number thirteen team, don't
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you think, like the team right there just missing and.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
The pitfans who are the biggest cry babies in the world.
I mean, you know that you're one of them. They
would just correct. They would just have their knickers in
a twist forever about it, which is what they like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They like to be mad.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
If we were just on the edge of the playoffs
there and didn't get in, and that would also because
West Virginia beat them, which because.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We got screwed. We got screwed that team number number twelve.
We're better than them, even though they probably wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well, they lost. They lost. You can't excuse that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I can get what if they finished thirteen in the ranking,
I know, and and the h in the in the
in the committee, people said, well number twelve wherever it is,
didn't lose the West.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Virginia that's hanging over your head right now.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And if they were to beat Notre Dame, which I
don't know if I think they're gonna beat Notre Dame anyway,
but if they were and they get down that path
where it's possible to kind of flirt with an at
large bid, Yeah, that's really gonna suck that you lost
to West Virginia in Morgantown.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Do you believe for one second that Parts are gonna
spend more money? No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
It's do you agree with me that they plant that
stuff to keep the sentences engaged?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah? I mean and even full the clubhouse.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
What was Rosenthal he was saying he was at the
GM meeting when he was like, that's Sherrington just wanders
over to him and he's like, Hey, we're gonna spend
some money, We're gonna be aggressive. Get that word out there.
They don't have to follow through on that. All they're
looking for is that SoundBite right now, and Rosenthal gave
it to him.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And nobody with the shred of dignity.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Really the I thought they could, you know, play somewhere
else have a better chance to win, which is anywhere
else you know, No who wants to come to the pirates.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Oh, absolutely, even with Paul Skeans, the best picture in
baseball because people are now seeing how much they're wasting
the best picture in baseball. So having the best picture
in baseball is almost more of a detriment to people
on the outside looking and they're like, they have one
of the greatest players you could have, and they think,
what am I gonna do if I go there?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
They're just gonna waste me too.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
How about that report at NJ dot com that says, yeah,
it quotes an anonymous pirate, not an anonymous Steeler wife
and girlfriend, but an anonymous pirate saying that Skeens has no
faith in the organization to compete, and he would like
to play for the New York Yankees.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I believe that first part, that he has no faith
in the organization to compete. Do you really think that
he's out there naming the Yankees specifically, though? I think
Skeens wants to go to just the highest bidder, and
he knows that the teams that are gonna bid higher
competitive teams, the Phillies, the Dodgers, the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, but I think maybe he said somebody like the Yankees.
Maybe that's the case. Is he a childhood Yankee fan?
I think no. I don't think he is.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
We all thought Garrett Cole would want to go home
to Southern col but he turned out to be a
childhood Yankee fan.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I kind of had that story reek, a little bit
of a fanboy nature, right, like a Yankee guy being like, oh,
let's get some Yankee talkoing. And now if you Google
or if you Twitter search Paul Skins, it's just a
bunch of Yankee accounts, like blog accounts being like Paul
Skeans wants to be a Yankee. He wants to be
a Yankee.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's the media. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
People make stuff up, they really do. You know where
it was born of is in the Canadian hockey media,
because you know, like example, the Sid thing, Okay, Shid
has never said he wants to leave ever, I mean
the poison thing, that kind of you know, stirred the puppet.
Sid's never said it, He's never said anything but exactly
the opposite fact. But to them it makes sense. So
(16:44):
to report it could happen makes sense even when nobody's
currently trying to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, exactly, it's I think guarantee.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
The Kyle Dubas has not taking one call about a
potential trade for Sidney Crosby.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, I don't think he would have either, And.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yet the speculation is there because again they make it up,
and you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Other than the Brassan thing, which wasn't sid directly, the
closest it came to sid directly, he's been adamant on
the opposite side of that story, saying I don't want
to leave. I want to be a penguin. There's nothing
here that makes me want to leave, but just no
one wants to believe it. In this case, though Paul
Skins does want to leave, he does want to get
out of Pittsburgh. I'm just not sure it has to
be the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Tom I mentioned that I saw Robert Plant and Paul
McCartney inside of two weeks. They were both great in
your generation. Who do you consider to be like you're
McCartney and Plant?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh man, I don't know about the answering this question.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
This has putting me on the spot because there really
isn't like that thirty one years old.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Your music sucks like your air of music blows us.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, I don't listen to these people, Okay, but wouldn't
it be like the Taylor Swift like wouldn't that be
who it is? A bieber even has reached like heights
of pop star status that it's, you know, world famous.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You said that our generation in your open didn't get
to grow up with your music, and you're right, we
didn't get to like grow up with it, but we
still got it, Like we still enjoy it a lot.
It's still a lot of my favorite music comes from
your era.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Like Grandy Maman said when I was on the DV
morning show. Part of it is that like the guys
that we like were in the early days of rock
and roll, like Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins,
guys like that invented it and these guys took it
the next step. And I think grunge took it in
a different direction, not a better direction, but a good direction.
And after that it's been pretty much recycling. Like Redavan Fleet,
(18:31):
I love them. I'm not sure there's a lot different there.
I'm not sure there's a lot different to be done
after how many years.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Of rock and roll. I mean it's really just three
main categories now, right.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You got your wrap, your pop, and then your country
and that kind of just floods the zone of all
music popular music right now?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, there's no I mean there's classic rock, and there's
groups that replicate classic rock, like Greta Van Fleet, like
The Stretch to some degree.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I could name a few.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
More, The Killers stuff like that. Yeah, right right, but
they're not really in the mainstream as much as the
wrap the pop and country has really exploded.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
There's a ton of you know, you know, you know
why because you can still make money in country because
the crab kickers still buy CDs, they still buy music,
they stick in their CD player in their pickup truck,
and I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
There's still some real money there. Yeah, there's some other
like Dirty Honey is kind of like classic rock esque.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But just not able to catch like it did back
in that time, like where they're like the most popular
band in the world.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You know, you see a lot of those groups like
Rival Sons, Dirty Honey, Grena Van Fleet. I give them
credit because they become a legitimate arena band that can
sell out PPG. But like Dirty Honey, Rival Sons, like
I remember the first time I saw Rival Sons, they
were opening for Black Sabbath. You know, and it's on
SAB's last tour. The point is they're kind of coat
(19:46):
tailing off of Black Sabbath. Yeah, and that's okay, But
my point is that's what needs to be done for
that sort of music.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Like that. Yeah. Yeah, the passing of the baton almost absolutely.
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Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like I said earlier, people are talking about the Sante
Samuel Junior coming in and starting right away. I mean
not this week he's on the practice squad, but maybe
the following week. And that's crazy and I doubt it,
but it almost makes sense an educated gamble, risk It,
no biscuit and bench Darius Slay cut Darius Slay Darius
(21:06):
should never play again. Slay, one of the usual suspects,
tweeted that Samuel chose the Steelers specifically because he wanted
to play for Tomlin. Okay, but is he any good
or does Tomlin just appeal to crappy players?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
He's a dumpster diver.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Samuel came to Pittsburgh because the defensive backfield blows and
he thinks he can get on the field pretty quick.
And he's probably right about that, not this week, but
I don't know though. Jamar Chase. I mean, who's going
to cover Jamar Chase On Sunday? The talk about trading
(21:48):
Tom Will continues to the New York Johants for their
first round pick, which right now would be third overall. Actually,
I saw one of the usual suspects again downgraded at
the second round pick because the notion of trading the
third pick overall for a coach is just beyond absurd.
So Tom Whin, I guess, would go to the Giants
(22:09):
and ruin Jackson Darts. If this was nineteen eighty, the
usual suspects would talk about trading Tom Win tweran for
the hostages. Uh, Tom, what do you make of all
Tom Win talk? It's just over the top nuts. And
why would he leave Pittsburgh when it offers him job
security that no coach has anywhere else, and that he
(22:31):
certainly could not get anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
No question, he wouldn't go to New York and then
get you know, twenty years of carte blanche and be
able to do whatever he wants and the owners there
would just tolerate it. That only stays with him as
long as he stays as the Pittsburgh head coach. It's
probably the most secure job in sports, right, yes, Burgs
Steelers head coach, even beyond just you know, Mike Tomlin
(22:54):
and how he's never fired at that.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Like Tomlin obviously had a very good first let's say
quarter of his resume, right, sure, let's say the entire
resume was like the last three quarters, which is to say,
not very good. He still wouldn't get fired. The Steelers
just don't fire the coach.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I tend to believe you on that man, It would
have been a really cool experiment to see if it
would have gone this long, and it would have acted
like the last three quarters of his resume to see
how far they'd push it. I think there is a
healthy fear when it comes to making that next hire,
too right. You don't want to be the Rooney that
goes and hires the coach that doesn't win the Super Bowl,
(23:30):
that doesn't go to the Hall of Fame, because right
now it's three for three as far as your family
is concerned.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Fuels the security of keeping him up.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean, it does in their minds, but it's no
less stupid just to say I believe the Steelers have
become a really bad organization. They've kept his coach around
too long. Their offensive approach is Neanderthal. They go for
rock fights, they go against the grain to no great success.
Sometimes you can do that and succeed, and FORBD a
time they did. But I keep going back to Colin Kyle,
(24:00):
who said years ago that Tomlin is a defensive coach
in an offensive era and it's just not working.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And it really isn't working.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And people always say, well, if the Steelers got rid
of Tomlin, didn't have another job in fifteen minutes A.
I'm not totally sure about that anymore. And B would
it be a good job. The Giants aren't a good job.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean, it's a horrible franchise. You don't think so
it's a good logo, terrible, I mean good brand.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Good quarterback. Too young quarterback, there's some young a. We'll
see about that. I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We'll see about that. I mean he's probably I mean,
what's his ceiling?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Mike Tomlin ain't the guy to get him to that ceiling.
I'm almost certain of that. Mike, Mike Thomas got to
ruin him more likely that's the case, then get him
to where he could go. You need an offensive guy
with someone like that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
A little while ago, I talked about how Mike Tomlin's
ruined Broderick Jones, and then Broderick Jones being so bad
left tackle is on his lack of development.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You agree with that, Yeah, I think it's a big
part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I can't just excuse Broderick Jones completely though, I mean,
your first round talent, so, I mean, you know, make
a living in the end.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
No, but I also feel like he's a rookie left.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Tackle because year.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, and to do that for Dan Moore exactly, to
keep Dan Moore Junior in a frigging lineup. It's like
thing about Mike Tomlin is Okay, I'm trying to have
a good way to word this. He's really effing dumb.
He makes some decisions that you're like, I mean, why
do he do that? Why would anybody do that? Like this,
this Dan Moore thing, it's unbelievable to this day, and
(25:27):
not enough people called him out on it, not not
even now after the fact.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
The Dan Moore thing was that rare decision that you
see made in real time that you know is a
bad decision, like present time. As it's being made, You're like, well,
that's stupid. Why would you do that? And then it
played out exactly like everybody thought it would, is that
it was a dumb idea, and Dan Moore sucks. And
now he's in Tennessee sucking even worse than he did
as a Seamon.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Even in his absence. He's killing the Steelers because he
set Jones back.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Like if Jones was a third year left tackle, if
you got right in that left tackle and still was
this bad, I'd say, okay, it's on him.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But that's not the way it transpired.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I just don't get how somebody gets to go to
the coaching staff and say I don't play right tackle,
I only play left tackle.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Even I'm not sure Dan Moore did than an arrogance.
I think he probably spoke out of I don't know,
maybe desperation, maybe because he knew Tom was a mark
for vetro.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Okay, Well, then how does he's not very much a
veteran either when he said that he was only second
or third year said that, and I'll, I mean, like, okay,
who cares?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know what that ties into with the Steelers in
in general and Tom into particular. Better the devil. They
know they prefer stability to success, and who cares?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
If it didn't come from a place of arrogance, you
just tell Dan Moore, well, you better learn to play
right tackle and get comfortable over there. Else your NFL career,
your career as a Steeler is gonna be done because
we've got a left tackle that we traded up for
and he's starting at left tackle this year. They tried
to make the rookie figure it out instead of the
bum Dan Moore.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
See, Tom was just a crap coach. He's just a moron.
I mean, I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And the reason I'm stressing it maybe too strongly, is
because nobody else stresses it strongly at all. I mean,
look at what he inherited, Ben, and since then he's
mangled quarterback, the most important job a coach and an
organization can have. Him and the Steelers have mangled quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
And the window that he had to win with the
Killer Bees he fell short. And a lot of times
that was a deficient defense. He didn't come close to
maximize from a defensive coach. You know, he couldn't elevate
that defensive side of the ball. I'd let the team
down a lot during that Killer Bee era.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, he's bad at building.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
There's just so much that the guy sucks at like
and he's nowhere near a Hall of Fame coach. If
you looked at resume objectively, he's nowhere near a Hall
of Fame coach. And I'll say it again.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm not afraid to say this.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I've said it constantly recently, and I think people know
it's true. People don't like to blast him and point
out that he's not a Hall of Fame coach and
point out how bad the last seventy five eighty percent
of his resume has been because no one wants to
bash the preeminent black coach in football. That's just fact.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You can't ignore that factor. You're right about that. His
resume doesn't warrant the automatic Hall of Fame bid. You
know what I mean, it doesn't warrant like that. Everybody
kind of just like goes, oh, of course he's a
Hall of Famer, like it's just a given.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
There should be serious debate about it, but there's not.
It's just get him in. He'll be first ballot. I mean, Mark,
Mike Shanahan is still not in the Hall of Fame.
That man won multiple Super Bowls and had revolutionized the
offensive game.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It was like being in a rock revolutionized like but
almost all the offenses right now are because of Mike Shanahan,
including the one his freaking sun runs in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, I I Mike, Mike contempt. You know what, you
know what is? You know what my contempt for Tomlin is?
Even I've done by Mike contempt for those who won't
tell it like it is with Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Well, and that's just the case with the Steelers in general. Too,
and like that the myth that is still alive when
it comes to the Steelers, all the.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Steeler media stooges, the local yocals. You know what they
all say whenever they know what they're doing, they know
what they're doing. And with Tom One never never had
a losing season. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's been a track record that says that in a
long time.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Do you think the citizens are finally tired of you know,
the no losing seasons crap and not doing anything in
the playoffs and every season, like one thing that I've
pointed out that's come to pass this season is exactly
like the last how many That's why I thinks or
seven exactly like.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It feels the same.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You brought in Aaron Rodgers, all these different veterans, and
it feels exactly the same. And by the way, what
a horrible mistake that TJ. Watt contract is.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yes, that's why I think it is wearing thin with
the fan base now is because it's year six seven
of the same exact thing over and it's almost just
hitting them into submission over the head, right, like they
have to be tired of it or else you're just
a super mark.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
We get a great sound bite later Kyle Brandt from
the UH from Good Morning Football talking about the Steelers
path to nine and eight.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But let me ask you this, we're gonna play it later.
Does nine and eight make the playoffs? I don't know
about that. I don't know if that's going to get
you the seventh wild card. This nine and eight doesn't
win the division. No, no chance.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
They're in a favorable spot tiebreaker wise, except they finally
got a bad blow in that department with the Chargers
beating them. But they have a good AFC record right now.
Ten and seven for sure gets you In nine and eight,
you're flirting with disaster.
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Speaker 2 (31:13):
And anyway, what are we offer the trifecta? For today's trifecta? Mark?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Oh, you have a Skeens trifector. I've got three good
skiing stats. Since tonight is the night that he will
win Sai Young, what if he doesn't it would be shocking, Right,
He's an overwhelming favor.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Who else could get it? Who would be the second joint?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Christopher Sanchez and I think Yamamoto are on the ballot.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Too, the you vote before the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yes, so it's not gonna be Yamamoto because of his
amazing postseason performance.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, there's no way he can't get it. Okay, So
what do you got? All right?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Number three for me? This is the lowest single season
ERA by a Pirates starter in the live ball era.
Paul Skeins posted a one point ninety seven ERA. He
bested Bob Veal's two point oh five in nineteen sixty eight.
Also in nineteen sixty eight, and now in third place
on that list is Bob or excuse me, Steve Blast
with a two point one two era.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
They were mowing them down in sixty eight, weren't they.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, that was the year that pitching was so dominant
sixty eight that they lowered demand the next year. Oh okay,
like like Danny McClain won thirty one games for Detroit
and Bob Gibson had a one point one to two era.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, funny you mentioned wins there, because these next two
have to do with Skins and his wins Paul Skins.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
By the way, Bob Veale hit on my mother. Really, yes,
in that year when he posted the best of the
RA in Pirates history.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Probably seventy or seventy one since the RA become an
official stat in nineteen thirteen. Skeens is the only MLB
pitcher to finish with two hundred plus strikeouts in a
sub TOWO era.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But not have a winning record. Well, I mean, he
plays for the Pirates, sucks so badly and in that
vein the number one fact.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Do you think he told he tells his teammates he
wants to play for the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
No, I don't think it's specifically the Yankees. Oh wait, yeah,
we said that before.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
But I think he does tell them that he does
not like the way that this organization is run. I
think he tells people that, you know, to their face,
maybe in that organization.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Sometimes, I don't know. I don't know. He's so collected.
I don't know. That's what makes it hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I can't see him giving a demeanor he projects publicly,
even saying that to his teammates.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think he flips like the Phil Hartman Ronald Reagan
skit in SNL when the kids would leave the room
and Skeen slips the switch and he just starts screaming
all the front office in his teammates, all right, Number
one for me though.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Ten wins, he's gonna win the cy Young.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That ties Jacob deGrom for fewest wins as a starting
pitcher to also get the Cy Young. That is also
the first starting pitcher to win the cy Young without
a winning record at five hundred or lower.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
The trifecta brought to us spite Danny's pettern hogies Pittsburgh's
original of him make Togy since nineteen sixty that's Danny's
on Route eighty eight and Bethel Park.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I think Skeens is gonna want out.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I keep him next year at minimum wage, but I
think when things go bad for the Powers, it don't
spend money again. I think if Skeens is ever gonna
get mouthed, it's gonna be this year when they suck
again and don't spend money again despite talking about money.
And by the way, if for some reason what Ken
Rosenthal reported is true and the Pirates not only intend
to spend more money but follow through on it, I
(34:08):
think that'll be because of the pressure to try and
keep Skeins through arbitration anyway without him asking out.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So you think Skins will make some noise this year
towards the trade deadline if things are going south, if
the team sucks and they should clearly be sellers.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I can't say that he will, because he never has.
But I can tell you that I would. I would
have by now.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
My only thing is I wonder if he would just
wait until the entire season comes to pass, and then
when he gets into that first arbitration offseason, that's when
he's like even if you guys pick up this arbitration thing,
I'm gonna be a pain in the ass for the
entire season.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So yeah, I don't think that's in his nature. Yeah,
I think you're probably right. He's like a good soldier, right, literally,
a good soldier. He went to Air Force. I don't
know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean I don't because he he really is kind
of a blank canvas, like we don't know a lot
about him except as a cheap skate with that charity thing.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
We only give a thousand bucks.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But I don't have a feel like but if I
were him, I would have wanted out.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I would have said so by now.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And I think that they'll trade him once he gets
to arbitration.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
So maybe he doesn't have to say anything. Maybe next
year's his last year here no matter what.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And he knows that he does put forth the persona
that he really cares about winning, like that winning is
really important to him.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
He wants to be on a winner.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
He wants to pitch in October and deep into the
postseason and have those big moments. And I'm not saying
he's not gonna go you know, big money hunting when
it's free agent time and he doesn't want to get,
you know, the five hundred and six hundred million dollar deal.
But I'm just saying I think he would have been
able to stomach.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Pittsburgh for these first three, four or five years more
if there was more commitment to spending around him. Oh,
he's enjoyed being at Pittsburgh. I see him at Marcus
Square all the time. It's just the team.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's just he knows that the team is just such
a dead end and it's robbing him of those moments.
Like he watches i'm sure Yamamoto and the Dodgers' pitchers
and he's just like, that's I need that. I want
to have those moments. I want to go into the
night thinning at one hundred and twenty pitches.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You know, it strikes me he could have been a
market Square looking for drugs. Plus Keynes, you've been to
Market Square to deal with the pirate probably, Kay, You see,
you're dead panning too much. I didn't see him in
Market Square ever. It's a bad place. Nobody should go there.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I used to love you. I did that. They're trying
to sell that he enjoyed Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I used to love Market Square. I used to walk
down from Duke Kene's campus all the time, eat lunch there.
It was great you went to do Kane. I did
I feel like I've told you that several several times.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, but your pit guy, you're Pitt fan. Yeah, I know,
you know, you're like you're like the postcase at high
school sports editor Mike White went to do Kane, rabid
pit fan.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Pit wouldn't let me in, would root for what they
would let me in? Mark, they tried to go to Johnstown,
didn't want to go to Johnstown, n Y. That's right.
I got him both. You also got into like Penn, right,
that's correct. Not Harvard. I didn't even apply to I
applied to Harvard just to be a dick. I knew.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I knew first off Shaler and really what else would
make them not take me?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Did you think you could get into Penn? Did you
think you have a good chance? It was kind of
like a long shot too, that you were surprised came through.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well, I mean tested IQ high SATs, which I think, uh,
you know, it's funny. I always say twelve fifty, but
I think that's because I have confused with my old
radio station.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I think I did.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I think, but that I did then I think it
was thirteen sixty. But that was WIXI where I actually
did a few phill instints at one point between jobs.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
See I didn't even use my SAT scores. I used
my act My SATs were so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Now I'm why did I work at WIXI.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I don't know, compete for twelve fifty I went right
to I went right, Oh, I know what it was.
I was in a contract just beet with twelve fifty
for a bit, and like you know, eventually went back
but did some filling stuff at WIXI.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
In the XC in the midd Yeah, okay, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
WIXI studio was like at route, Uh, what's the what's
the route that goes like to Greensburg but not the
Parkway thirty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I think thirty sounds right to me. Yeah, And their
studio was like in this in this like house, Oh
those yeah, that's pretty cool, though there's charm to that
we should do this show out of a house.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Uh no, uh not not my you know. You know
they built a studio for back when Myron. Myron had
a in his own home, in his own home. They
not a portable studio like I had to use for
the COVID pandemic. Yeah, they like they built him a
studio because it was closer to the liquor cabinet one
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