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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I am Paula Bennett and welcome to my new Zealand
Herald podcast Ask Me Anything. And one thing I've learned
in life is it's never too late to learn something new.
So on this podcast, I talk to people from all
walks of life to hear.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
About how they got to where they are.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
And get some advice and guidance on some of life's
biggest questions. Without a doubt, I think today's guest is
dealing with some of life's biggest questions.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
So here we go. His name is Bill Edgar.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Bill made worldwide headlines a few years back as the
Coffin Confessor. He's paid by the dying to gatecrash their
funerals once they are gone and carry out their dying
wishes hardly.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You're regular nine to five and the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Last few years Bill is extended the services he offers
and has written a book about it and also what
he's learned from from the dying. In his book that
I've just read, which is The Afterlife Confessional.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Bill is with me from Australia. How are you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I'm great, how are you doing? And thank you for
having me.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm really rapped to have you. I'm a bit I'm
a big fan, big fan.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Excellent, that's really nice to hear.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I think you've got the best job in the world.
But anyway, the other thing I thought I was going
to say at this point is that Bill can be
a bit of a sweary beer and we all know
I can be a little bit as well. So if
you're going to be offended, then just don't listen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Come on, I'm from the country and you guys are
from the country that once we're worrious.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
But I was trying to explain to some young people
the other day who are all in the tradees and
they're good good I call them kids.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Anyone under thirty is a kid to me, And I
said to.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Them, swearing is fine, but we do it for emphasis,
not for just this, just not every thod word.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know, it's cool when it's got an.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Emphasis, I think, absolutely, And that's the only time I
used it is when I, you know, basically get at
emphasis for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Absolutely, Okay, quite far questions If you go to the
pub for a drink with any celebrity, who would it be?
No one, No, when you don't really like them.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I'm not into it, and I don't go to pubs either.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, so you know, it's just it's my thing, my
personal thing. I'm not into any of that type of stuff.
I've worked with celebrities. I've been a bodyguard for Jimmy Barnes.
I've done a lot of things in my life. And
to be honest with you, there are just people that
I was.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Going to say, most of them just normal people.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They're just normal people and they're all trying to get
by in life, just like we all are. Some have
better opportunity or they've grabbed that opportunity and run with it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Good on them, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but it doesn't
you know, it's just sort of saying to someone the
other day, doesn't matter how much money you've got, it
doesn't matter where you are. At some stage in your life.
We all go through death, we all go through divorces.
Somewhere in our family, someone gets sacked, someone's can bloody,
takes drugs that they shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
You know what I mean. Life happens to you nomadical
know who you are or where you live or what
you joy.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And that's the journey for all of us.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's the final journey that we all are going to
be taking. And that's the thing that I'm trying to
get across that every person on the planet is going
to die.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, it doesn't matter what you do, So stop.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Worrying about the bill, share, get rid of the stuff
that's in your life that's just holding you back or
weighing you down, and move on.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Enjoy life.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, now I did it a bit in the intro,
but there'll be a whole lot of people listening right
now that have no idea what you do, and then
we're going to doubt into it. You've got some great stories,
and I do want to talk about I've.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Got so many questions.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
But do you want to explain in your own words
kind of what your day job is or nightclobe.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So I'm engaged by the deceased prior to them dying,
to attend their funeral, to crash their funeral and tell
those that were loved how much they were loved, and
those my clients love to hate the fuck off.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And so you literally do that, right, so you look
really go along. Eulogy started. I take funerals, by the way,
So there is a part of me as I was
reading it, going, oh my god, I'd be horrified.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, look, room to give that, I said amongst family
and friends, and I you know, I'm engaged to either
stand up mid eulogy or at a certain time. It's
always my client's timing. They allow me to obviously have
a little bit of input, but I'll say to him, look,
you know it's your best mate and he's done the
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wrong thing by it. Do you want me to get
up mid eulogy and tell him to stop the crocodile
tears and all the bullshit and just get on with
it or do you want?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And I'll leave it to them and they'll they'll come
out with some Look at most people on the deathbed
come out with some great things because it's their last say,
it's all they've got left.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, and there's not a lot going on, right, so
you've got a lot of time in your own head.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, Well, should we quickly tell the story of Graham,
because I think that is I mean, I know that
you've told it so many times, but it does encompass
exactly what and how it started and what you do.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So Graham's done.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Absolutely. Graham was my first client.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I was working for him in the field of private investigator,
which I am. I'm in the finance world, so I
was investigating his finances. Graham was on his deathbed. We
spoke about death, life and everything in between, and I
said to Graham, you know, I do your own eulogy
if you want to do something. And he said, look,
I've been to too many of your funerals and the
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family view the eulogy first and they say whether it
goes on or not. And I don't want that. And
I said, okay, I said, and there was a joke.
I just said, out of a joke, Graham, I could
always crash your funeral for you, mate, And he said, oh, yeah,
that sounds reasonable, it sounds all right. And a couple
of weeks later I get a text from Graham and saying,
You're going to crash my funeral for me.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And so you chrised his funeral, right and absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, And he was he was watching a whole lot
of stuff go on with a so called bess mate
that just was not foul, and he wanted he wanted
him to be called out for it.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Right, yeah, absolutely, And that was the thing for me,
he as an investigator, I didn't want to just crash
a funeral without having this fact.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So I needed to know the facts.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So I asked Graham if I could set up a
couple of cameras in his house, and within twenty four
hours I had everything I needed on this scumbag of
a mate that he had.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
He was he was absolutely had on the mess o.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Big time, big time and trying to take over the
family type thing. And it was just it was so
it's so sick and revolving watching this absolute predator. And
I thought, you know what, Graham, not a problem in
the world, mate, I'll go and I'll do that.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
And then Graham said to me listen.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He said, also just to let you know, if my brother,
his wife and their daughter attend my funeral, please tell
them to fuck off. I haven't seen him in thirty years.
Their vultures in the family.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Get rid of them.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Wow, no a problem.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So you walk, Can you sit down? You're nervous. It's
the first time, right, yeah. Yeah, So you're sitting in
the air and that's raising of a you know, any
thinking about the moment and then you know, so called
bess make it's up there and.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm here and it's being on my harbor.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Grame make for the last you know, fifty years, and
you know I'm just going to miss and me and
you stand up right, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I stand straight up, and I say, excuse me, my
name's Bill Edgar, Sit down, shut up, or fuck off.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
The man in the coffin's got something to say. And
this is what it is. And I opened the envelope.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That yeah, I opened the envelope and pull out the
letter that Graham wrote and I read aloud exactly what
it was.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And that's what I did. And it was And honestly.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I thought that was it. I thought that was the
whole job, never to be done again, something or one off.
But no, you know, it just went nuts.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
It was crazy. I left that funeral.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I need to do another one and another one. And
then the doors opened everywhere. It was just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay, we're going to talk a lot
more about that and and some of those. So, but
talk to me about some of your upbringing because you know,
I mean, well you mentioned once for Warriors before. I mean,
you are the son of a gangster. But it's a
bit different than that, right that former street kid. You know,
you've talked about you know, you've talked about the abuse
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that you've suffered and what sort of how do you
think that kind of upbringing has impacted on you and
some of the decisions you made in the earlier years.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Oh, the earlier years.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I mean, look, you know, my childhood was stolen at
the age of seven, you know, all the way through.
I never had a childhood or religion that was stolen
as well, through the church and the schools. But I
got to say, without me going through that, through my
whole life and the torment and the trauma and everything,
it probably wouldn't have set me up to do what
I do today, you know. Yeah, and I do mention
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like that the once for Worris thing Jake, the musts
and all that. I've stood in front of people ten
times other than him, you know. And it's not it's
not because I was I wanted to.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I was forced to.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I was incarcerated in a prison in Australia at the
age of just seventeen, you know. And back then, seventeen
is a lot different to what a seventeen year old
is today. So nineteen eighty four or seventeen year old
was like, yeah, obviously a little kid you know, and
I was forced to do certain things, but I lived
on the streets. I'd done a lot of things prior
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to being fifteen years of age. It was a shocking life,
absolutely shocking.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, yeah, And so do you think that because what
you do takes guts, right, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Not for Yeah, it's not for the faint.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
At all. And so do you think some of that?
And it must be some of what you say. It's like, mate,
for what I've lived through, you know, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's what gives me the I suppose the courage to
do what I do because you know, I'll see some
people's lives and I get to see that their personal
deepest darket secrets, fantasies, desires, whatever it is, I get
to see it. And none of them have come close
to my life yet. So I'm happy to do what
I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And you sort of say and I believe you and
that you have no judgment, you know what I mean,
like because people confess to you. You know you've give
because I should say that. You know that the role
of kind of being the coffin compussor is sort of
you call yourself a concierge for the dying as well.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Now, so there's a lot more of that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Hey, I've got something hidden in my house that I
don't want anyone to see. Can you please go and
get it so you know, like I might just have
a final wish that I don't want a family member
to do. I want someone that's actually not personally involved
or and that's a lot of what.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You do now.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Oh. Absolutely, I do home sweeps.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I call them so I go to people's homes and
I remove sensity bioms so they don't want their family
and friends to find. And for example, I mean the
first time I ever did that job was an eighty
eight year old man on palliative care. And I didn't
realize that elderly people, yes, they have a fall at home,
they go to hospital, but they get told they're never
going home again, so they can't retrieve their items. And
this gentleman, he basically had what you'd call it was
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a sex dungeon, but it was he's eighty eight years
of age.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
But it wasn't bad. It was very it was a
romantic type of setting.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It was ridiculous, but for him, and he had all
these women in their sixty seventies eighties that loved him,
and yeah, but he had three sons and he would
mortify it if they were to walk in his house
and find this secret room. So he asked me to
go in and clean it out for him, and between
me and his palliative care nurse, you know, everything was
done nicely and it was incinerated. And I take the
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video back to my client and I show him and
he go, oh wow. So I'm so grateful, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So much, because he can risk and pace.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Absolutely, and that's what most of my clients want to do.
They either want to rest in peace or they want
to go out with a bang, letting know family know
that they're all pack of pricks or whatever else.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So two things from that. So one, as I said,
I believe you. You say you don't judge people, but
you do judge the assholes.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It gets to this stage where can you really judge
a dying person?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I mean, do you have the right to judge them?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I mean, it's their life, they've lived it and now
it's ending.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
My judgment, yes, is cast towards those that have done
the wrong thing by those people, but that's that's human nature.
We've all done we all do that, and I try
not to judge anybody in a way that Like if
a client comes to me and he says, look, you know,
i've been screwing with the neighbor's wife and my wife
doesn't know, and can you please talk to her face
to face?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And I'm like, I can do that, but why didn't you?
You know?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And then I'll put that on them and they'll say,
you know what Bill is who would have been with.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Me in my last three months of life? You know?
I have no one?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And I'd say to him, look, you know, I'll try
compassionately to tell him that, you know, But it sounds
to me like you're sucking the life out of them
just for you to live your last three months of
life for care.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
But again, maybe.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
They will live on knowing that you're a bit of
a freak and they can happily go about and do
whatever they want out there free.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Or do you need to know?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And you do say that in your book, You know
there are people that I'm a I'm a Do they
need to know?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Like I mean, some things they.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Do quite frankly, if you're an absolute asshole and you've
been treating you like that guy, your Graham's bloody mate.
But then there's you know, I've been having an affair
with the neighbor for freaking three years. It's like, wow,
so I'm losing who I thought was my wonderful, caring husband.
Now I'm finding out they haven't been. So I've got
to deal with shame embarrassment exactly as well.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And that's where I'll sit with the client and say
to him, look, do they really need to know that part?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Maybe just say you had an affair.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Leave it at that, you know, and if you really
want to out them or just take it with you,
you know, I take it with you, because I mean,
you're only going to hurt the wife or whoever else
around you. But it's not my care. I'm just the messenger.
I can only go about what they asked me to do.
But there are certain circumstances.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
We're just recently a lady that I attended her funeral
and I told her husband that she's been seeing multiple men. Oh,
and he was like, oh, And I said, but you've
been seeing multiple women and she already knew, so sucked in, you.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Know, So you so my second back to that as well, though,
was the judgment thing, which I think you're absolutely right
owning honestly, as long as it's legal, you do you
But do you really believe, because you say it repeatedly
that everyone has a secret?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
What I'm trying to think of, I've got a secret
and I can't thank you a secret? Do you think
I've put that on my dying beard.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It may not be a sexual, vindictive or something deep
dark or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
It might just be a secret as in you might.
It could be a cross dresser, or it could be.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Somebody that likes to do certain things that other people
would find a bit insensitive, or you know, whatever it is.
But I do believe everybody has a secret. Yeah, a
skeleton in the closet, it's for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay, okay, all right, then I believe you. So is
it a risky job? Like you know, there must be times?
Have you physical altercations?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Not really? I mean I've been told that if they
didn't like what they were hearing, that I'd end up
in the coffin with my client. At the same time, look,
what I do is I get the crowd on my
side very very fast for telling them that this is
their loved one laying in the coffin. It's not my words,
it's theirs. You've come to celebrate their life. How about
you listen. It's their funeral, not yours. Listen to what
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they have to say. And then all of a sudden,
you know, ninety percent of the crowd want to know
what's going on. Anybody else that stands up or interjects,
they're shouted down by the crowd.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, so it's not you. You don't need to
worry about it. But you do give one example of
a guy who's in tell them, tell everyone the story,
you know, the guy that's obviously dying, and then he
wants you to go on because he's got some money
head and he doesn't want it to go to his family,
and he's got something personal in that box as well.
And you go to the house and his family are
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already in there cleaning it out, and you.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Oh, that's it.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, I mean, that's happened a few times now, where
it's just it's so and that's again people say, oh,
that's human nature.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
No, it's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It's greed, it's theft, it's it's just it's you know,
it's not love for the person dying or laying in
on their deathbed. These vultures are in the house going
through all this gentleman's stuff and they couldn't find what
they needed to find. Well, I knew exactly where to
go and locate you in.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Expecting them to be there though, right, you put it
to the house and everyone's in there.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, so you ransacking the house.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Some people are taking Midems and putting him in the
boots of their cars.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But you can a man up at that point, right,
do you just you just made the decision to stride
on throat And.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I just went in and didn't talk to anybody,
got what I had to get and I'm basically leaving
and they're all, you know, I'm going to call the
police and do that. And I offered to call the
police for them, or you.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Know, I said, you're breaking the law. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I've got the keys, I've got access, i know where
everything is, and i know what's going on, you know.
But that's the vunctures and that's what.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I deal with. And I've got to say.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
There was a lady on her deathbed in the hospital
and her son walked in while I'm talking to her,
trying to take the rings off her finger while she's
still alive. Oh so you could hock them because he
can't get his car going and shit like that. And
I'm like, get out, you're kidding me, Like, seriously, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Do you think though you see the worst in people
and that actually, most most people are not like that.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Most people aren't like that. I just see the worst
in certain people that are like that. And you know,
I've always said since twenty eight een when I started
this job, is where there's a will, there's a relative.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But because you give quite a lot of examples in
the box of those vultures, and I completely believe you.
But then you know, my own mother's in private care
at the moment because it has to be, you know,
And and I'm near every day, and I just see
the most lovely people.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And oh there's some beautiful people, even the staff of
beautiful people that look after these people. I mean, I
could not do what half of them do because they're
just so they're blessed people in a way that it's
just ridiculous that they have their own lives, their own torments,
their own troubles, their own everything, financials, whatever it is.
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And yet they still go to a place and care.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
For people like your mother.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, and with a smile and as big as I
just don't know shit. They need they need more than
what they get, and they need a lot of support,
and they need more money, and they need help because
you know, one lady, and a quick example is one lady.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I mean palliative care. She's a nurse.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
She's looking after like a ward of say five to
ten people, she's looking after.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
She left.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm about to leave, and I go downstairs. She's on
the phone standing next to my car, near my car,
and she's going, oh, please don't leave me. I love
you so much, Please please be home when I get home.
And I'm like, fuck, this lady's gone through all that,
and then she's got to go back after that phone
call and look after the dying.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
It's got so much going on in her own personal life.
And we don't see them like that, do we. We
see the uniform. We're just like, well, you are you know,
you are here to care for that's.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Right, and you look after it.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And some people will treat them like that. And so, hey,
you're here to care for my mom or my dad,
bloody look after him. What do you doing forgetting that
they're actually people too, you know, Yeah, they've got life.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And there is something in there.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
In my West Auckland we have a rather big Croatian
community who are freaking fantastic. And I did an initiative
once where I felt we needed to care for our careers,
so they would do all this baking for our doctors.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's beautiful because.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
They're amazing cooks and they loved it right, But it
was like, yes, exactly what you said. How are we
caring for the people that we desperately need to care
for us?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's gone about.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Hey, so you're often well sometimes asked to do illegal stuff.
Like one person wanted you to burn their money, didn't they.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, in Australia it's illegal to burn any currency, huh,
but it's not illegal to bury it. And when I
let him know this side of the law and what
was going on, he said, well, bury it, and I
want you to find a great place to bury it.
And I'm like, well, where the fuck am I going
to bury this stuff? That no one's going to find.
And it came to me at another funeral when I
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was actually standing at the grave site and I'm looking
down at the graves, and I went, holy shit, I
wonder if I could jump in there, dig a hole
and bury what I need to and then wait for
my client to go on top and then him buried,
and and behold I could, and I.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Did, wow wow, because people throw some weird shit and
with the coffin that sort of stuff, like, you know,
my brother died, we would like his mate. So we
were all something, you know, standing and crying, and the
next thing you hear this clunk, you know, and like
we said we want and it was his mates were
throwing and cans of line.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Read yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I go to viewing some place items in coffins all
the time, you know. And I pin pricked the body
because people are petrified of being buried alive.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, I mean, hold on a minute, I don't think
we were got there, so you so what So I'm
die and I'm going to pay you to pin prick me.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Look, my client was petrified being cremated alive, and he
needed to be pinpricked because he said, please, please, please
make sure I'm dead. He said, treat my body as
a print pincushion. And I'm like, how the fuck am
I going to do that? But I found a way.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I had a couple of minutes at viewing personal personal minutes,
and I had a video myself doing what I did.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
And yeah, it's one of those things.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Okay, tell them then about the guy that wanted them.
He wanted a phone, wasn't it? So he literally in
case he got very live so he could.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't know how he was going to ring so much.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Oh, He's not the only one that's happened.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I've probably done probably about thirteen to fortyen and those
now where I placed it a phone in the coffin
because the people are either petrified or waking up, and
they've got their phone, not so much to call, but
they've got a torch, they've got memory, photos, videos and
all that.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay, I thought, Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I can understand that other people will take it.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Even though I've what the browser and everything I've tried
to do for them, they still want to take it
with them just in case.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, you here was me saying I had no secrets,
and then I was like, would I really want someone
going through my phone when I died?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, not that I think there's anything that interesting, but
it's just like out of context and all that crap. Okay,
here we go, and then I'm going to wind this
up so we can go into the advice segment, because
you've got to have so much good advice.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I loved the bit on ESH traveler. Would you mind?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Would you mind explaining to people about that and about
what you did? Because I can't give me I keep
thinking about it and I'm not Yeah, I'm with you, though,
I'm trying my ashes at sea because I'm an absolute
ocean worshiper.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
But tell me about ash Traveler.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So a gentleman came to me a while ago now
and he said, look.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, I want to travel the world. I want
my ashes to travel the world. And I set up
this whole thing for it. And then he said, you
know what, No, I don't now, and I said, okay,
it's up to you. People can change their mind anytime.
But it couldn't get out of my head. I couldn't
get it out of my head, and I kept thinking,
what can I do for my dad.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I've had his ashes.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
For like thirty years, sitting in certain places in my garage,
your house, and I just forget about him.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And then two years later I see him again to
go shit, they're still there.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And then I came up with the idea ash traveler,
and I placed my dad in four flasks like drinking
flass port flasks, and I sealed them. But on the
inscription I said, look, if you find me along your travels,
so either be it wherever you are, place me on
a train, plane or bus or wherever, and leave me
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for the next to do the same.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And so I sent him all over the world.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I posted one to Island, England, to America and one
in Australia. Well, the American one they didn't like him,
so they sent him back. So what I did is
I I was at the truck stop one day and
I went so I spoke to this guy and I said,
we're you're off to him mate. He goes Western Australia,
and I said, from Queensland and Western that's a nice trip.
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The old man's probably not been there before. So I
stuck him on the on the truck just placed him
in there. And off he went. Wow, they're all flating
around now.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, so someone would love that, Aye to think that
they're just out there, you know, and just still on
this still on this journey of life or something like that,
which is Okay, what do you think is the most
outrageous thing someone has asked you to do?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I definitely pin pricked. The body has to.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Be Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely that is weird.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Besides, you know, you know, I haven't done it yet,
but I have got a request, and he's paid a
deposit for me to go to the viewing, strip him naked,
flip him over and write kiss this on his ass.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
When all his family come in to view him, that's
what they see.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's funny, you know, got on him. You've tuned request
down as zer a line that you won't cross.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I wait to act for a third party.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So if you were to engage me and say, look,
I want you to crash my mum's funeral, No, if
your mum engaged me, yes, And I will not do
a third party because it's too hard to find the truths.
I'd rather go direct to the person and the source
and say okay, well you've done this, You've done that. Great,
we can go on that and I can look into.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
It a third party.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
If you say crash my mum's funeral and tell us
she's a bit, well that's you thinking she's a bit.
She might have been a lovely lady to a million
other people, you know, let me hear from her. So yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Third party, and you won't break the law, right, I walk.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
A very fine line, but I won't break it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Have you thought about franchising, because I was just thinking
we need one in New Zealand at least.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Oh, yeah, I travel, I do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But my problem is and I've been Look, I've been
offered a lot of money and a lot of the
ideas have come forward to franchise and do this as
a business globally. But my integrity is everything. And you
can steal from the dead so easily.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
In this job. You get paid up front.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Mine goes into a trust and it gets released per
job I do. Other could set it up and take
the money and not even do it well.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And even as we were saying, the guy that wanted
his money booned or buried or you know whatever, how
how do you know that it's been done? And they
haven't decentially taken the money.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And I get paid very well, very well, so I
don't need to worry about that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well, and you've got your own integraty, right. I couldn't live.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Well without without the integrity. I mean, it'd be a
ship job. I mean, I've got to do it with
the integral part because it's an ongoing job. I didn't
realize it was going to be like it is, and
now it's just I'm delivering gifts from the afterlife now,
going to people's places and doing things that unimaginable and
it's just so beautiful and it's so nice, and that's
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I wanted to keep going. But obviously, one day I'm
going to die, and I don't know if it will
continue or not. I've got to put something in where
the dead will not get ripped off.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, and not easy. Okay, We're going to come back.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Shortly with Bill, and we're going to go get a
bit deeper and and talk about what you've learned from
the dying, and also heps give some advice on people
can actually get on with living.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
We'll be right there. So Bill, your job.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Would give great insight into death and dying. I mean
you're you're speaking with people that are dying on a
regular basis, right, correct, Yes, it is there a common denominator,
Is there is? I mean you say you can physically
see it in people. Yeah, But is there a common
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philosophy or something that we go through or are all
people different?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think there is one common denominator, and that would
be that it when people come to the realization that
the end is near and there's no going back, the
fear of death is no longer there. It's the fear
of leaving the loved ones behind that is the biggest
common denominator. It's the fear of leaving those behind. It's
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not nothing else.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Death is just death.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's going to happen, it's inevitable. And they don't care
where they're going or what's going to happen after life.
They just care about their loved ones and if they're
going to be all right. Yeah, and that's the most
common thing.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, I mean, as some people matter of fact, and
it just is what it is. And I suppose it's
at different stages, right. Other people more into the philosophy
around it or reliving their lives or.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I don't know. I was stealing with someone in a
few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I used to do a lot of palliative care actually,
and I just found some people, you know, I'd say,
is there anything that you want? And they go, no,
I'm done, I'm done, you know, you know, just is
that worth me, dear? And it'll be nice, you know,
And then others want to really tell you about their
whole lives, and you know, like it's next.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think the stage for sure, you know, there are stages.
I mean, I've sat with one man that was only
thirty two years of age, and it was the most
traumatic time I've ever spent doing this was with him.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
He didn't want to die. He was I don't want
to die. He was screaming, I don't want to go.
I don't want to die.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I thirty two, I've got a family, I've just had
a little boy. I don't want to die. And it
was it was gut wrenching because he was dying. And
he went within two weeks and he just everything he
tried to do just didn't work and he died, you know,
and it was a terrible feeling.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah that sucks same big time.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, Yeah, no, it really does I want to talk
about dear clutter in your life? That's what I'm calling it,
because ironically reading your book, you know, literally I cleaned
out my mother's place, you know, three weeks ago. Who
request I'd like to say, beautiful. Yeah, but man, it's
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just so hard watching all of those memories and you
know what I mean, and you're just like, and it's
almost harder when they're alive, right, because you're trying to
do that. But I just did. It really made me
and my husband look at our lives and just go, God,
it's just material stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
And this is what I guess.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
A great thing, a good feeling for me is that
globally people are talking about death in a good way,
not a bad way.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Now. I sort of opened a few doors.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And the deep cluttering for me was I got rid
of probably eighty percent of our shit because we didn't
need it.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
It was just crap.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And it was the same with friends that were hanging
on that weren't really friends and people that you know,
were dragging you down. I just got rid of everything
and everyone in my life that I just didn't need
and they were sucking the life out of me, or
things were sucking the life out of me, and I thought,
you know what, I don't want my children to go
through my ship and say do we keep this, do
we throw?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Do we give it a sound? Ways? I want to
do it, so I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, yeah, And it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I've only done three rooms in my own house so
far because I'm preserved, so I've got a lot more
to do, trust me.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
But man, I felt good.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
You know what, It's empowering. It was, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And I mean, you know that the Japanese woman that
told us all to you know what's her name? Anyway,
You know you're supposed to look at something and say,
am I really holding onto this because it should be
and all.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
That sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
But it's actually better than that. It is it's taking
more power of your life.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's all about power. That's exactly what it's about. It's
the power within yourself to go. You know what, I'm
going to get rid of this. I'm going to do it.
It's my life. I bought it, I'm leaving it, I'm
losing it, and I'm moving on whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, because as you say, being one of those kids
right now at fifty five, but it is it's just
it's what I'm certainly because I'm not the vulture, and
so I'm just hating having to make decisions about things
that I knew and know are important to mum, you know,
And it's.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Just nice exactly God, And that's the thing. So we
don't want to do that for our children. We want
to be able to go without them having that type
of extra hass or strain and all the bullshit that
goes with.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Death, you know, yeah, absolutely, How can we bring peace
to the dying?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
What do you reckon? I mean, you've sat with a few.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Uh, yeah, I got to say, there's nothing more comforting
than going and visiting them.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, being with them.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
You don't have to take anything, just take yourself, even
if it's for a minute, because they're not going to
stay awake for hours. I mean they sleep a lot,
or they're you know, drugged up or whatever it is.
But just being there for that presence, not only for them,
but you sort of feel something about yourself going in there.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
You feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You know you've done something and don't fucking put it
on social medias though. I've just visited Grandma. She's dying,
and I feel so good visiting her.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Look how happy she is.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, fuck you just do it yourself, don't play it
around the world. I don't video any of the stuff.
I do video what I have to do legally, and
it's kept on my phone or was in a secret place.
But I will not go in like these people want
me to do. Now from LA they say, oh, we
want you to record going, and no, what the fuck
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is not my funeral. I'm not about it. I'm not
about to expose everybody to that name. And then people go,
imagine how many likes you get? Oh, fuck you and
your likes.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I had a lady that had two hundred and fifty
thousand followers, and she had thousands and hundreds of thousands
of friends, and I went to her funeral and six
turned up.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Six.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Wow, it's just so false, just not real bullshit. Yeah yeah,
and how lonely that some Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I've got a fake, fake, pretentious life that just nothing there.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
No.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I tuned up to see I go most days, and
I turned up yesterday and I sat down and then
after five minutes she said, oh, I'm really wanting to
catch up with one of the other women.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Here you can go. Now, Yeah, that's cool. I was
all right then, mum, thanks, And.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's the thing. But at least she made the effort.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
A lot of people don't even make the effort. They
just sit there and they go, oh, you know Jack's
doing Jack did last week?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Fuck?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I saw his daughter on social media saying how good
he was doing? Yeah, because you saw it on social media.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
A big deal.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, it doesn't mean it's fact or truth or you
know anyway.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
No, I've been reading her your book.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Okay, what else am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You know, she has a bit of a chuckle. I've
got to say. I have to beep out the sweary
woods because my mother wouldn't like that.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
That's okay, Yeah, yeah, send therm my lie and tell
her that. Yeah. I hope she has a great journey.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
You know what. It's one of.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Those things people say to me, Oh, Bill, what do
you think the meaning of life is? Well, the meaning
of life is to avoid fucking death. I don't give
a ship what anybody else says. It's to avoid death.
And you're going to die, like your mum is going
to die one day at least, you know, look back
and go did I have Yeah, I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
If I didn't get out of the bed.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Now, even if you can't or what if you can
do do something or get just do something that's so
bizarre and so out there.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
That was cool.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Tell them the story about about the woman and her
husband had died years ago and her kids are just
kind of dumped her, right, and so she was.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Just lonely camp event.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yes, go and tell everyone that story, because this is
the best advice you just said, you know, if you're
not going to sit there and go, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
This lady, yeah, you know, she got in contact with
me and she was all emotional and upset and it
was more on a PI capacity job she wanted me
to do because she was getting forced into retirement care
and she had a house and it was worth a
bit of money and the two children wanted to they
were forcing her into care so they could take over
the house. And I said to her, I said, look,
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you know what, you should get a camp a van
and take your dead housepin's ashes with you and just
travel travel Australia.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
And she says, oh, I'd love to do that. I
really could. I said, well, you got your driver's license.
She's still capable of doing what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You go for a walk down the beach every day.
You're quite fit and capable of doing this, So why
don't you do it? She says, Oh, you know my kids,
And I said, fuck your kids, s worry about that.
So I looked into everything for her, and I found
that she could rent her She could buy a camp
a vent without any problem at all. The house could
be rented and pay the rest of the mortgage and
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the camp event and her travel time and give her
a bit of savings.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And she was like, are you serious, Bill, I said, yeah,
not a problem at all.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
So she found a camp a van that she do
and she asked me to go up and have a
look at it, to look at us.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Oh shit, this is great.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, for sure, let's get our ACQ to look at
it and get it all done and roadworthy. And it
was beautiful. And now she's been gone through about it
ain't just over a year now. And every couple of
months I get a little photo and a text saying, oh,
I know the sheep shearing shed in Western Australia and
I'm cooking for thirty people and I'm traveling here and
traveling there. She got a little kelpie dog that goes
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with her and her husband sitting on the dashboard in
the jar of ashes.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, it's just beautiful. But kids, her kids are forever saying, yeah,
you're a bastard what you did to mom. And I'm like, oh,
you know what, it's your mum. You should have bloody
looked after her.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And I do love as well as that she you know,
you helped her and she organized the convent, did all that,
rented the house out and everything.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
And then the first of the kids knew about it
was the first base.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah, exactly. They had no idea.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Actually there was a police report that they filed a
report that their mum was missing, and the police were like,
yoh you can file she ain't missing. Yeah, all of
a sudden this Facebook post comes up that she's traveling,
and it was just gold.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I love that. I love that, but it is gosh.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
We undervalue older age sometimes though, don't we. And like
just because I'm doing it with my mum, you know,
And even yesterday she's like, I don't like that chair
in my room and they keep putting that cheer back
in my room, you know, And I said, Actually, mum.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
You're in charge of your life.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I'm here to support you and love you, and I'll
do whatever you want. But if you don't want that
cheer in the room, you do not have to have
that cheer in the Just because you're older and you're
dying doesn't mean actually that's your power.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
And it's just like and I just thought, yeah, we
just devalue because she's older that she shouldn't have a
choice as to what freaking cheers she is in her room.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I've never I've never come across elder of you so
much in my life as I have in the last
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It is just tragic, tragic. Yeah, and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Going to allow it to happen to my off, my
wife or anybody that I know, because it's just not
it's not on Just because we're getting older, it doesn't
mean we're we're dead.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, we're not dead till we're dead.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So my advice to people out there is, you know,
if you can't get a bill, do get yourself a champion.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You know, I know I'm my mother's champion, you know,
I know.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Exactly, And that's what I tell people.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Anybody can be a coffin. Anybody.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
You're a funeral or you're an awake or you're at
will reading and you're hearing shit that you don't accept
or you know positively that didn't happen. Stand up and say,
excuse me, that's not right. My mum was this this,
and this She wasn't like you this blake's saying, or
that lady's saying.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know that you can interject it's not you know,
it's one of those things.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Good on you the afterlife. Well, we just don't know,
do we. You've asked. I remember one guy you said,
you tell me you didn't come back to your.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Obviously, no one's ever come back to me.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
But yeah, we all have our own personal thoughts and
feelings on that.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
For me, it's just your dad. You're dad.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But I mean, obviously you'd like to think that you
meet up with family and friends and all that shit
at the afterlife party and this and that. But yeah,
I'm not. I'm not going to say whether there is
or isn't. What I do know is that, yeah, I've
said quite late lately, I've said a little lot that
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we all live and then we die. So we live
dying and very few of us die living. Yeah, and
I'm going to die living yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Now I'm going out in a Blazer glory. Don't you
worry about that. That's it. So I'm quite convinced now
that this is on after life because my grandmother talked
about death for twenty years and she was absolutely convinced
there was reincarnation and absolutely convinced about the afterlife.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
I mean, I'm just obsessed with it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And so she promised she would let me know, and
so I figure if it was out issue, would let
me know.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, And that's it. I mean, how many people there's
still people holding their breath waiting for Jesus to come back.
And I often say to people, you know, especially religious people,
and I'm not either way.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
I really don't care. I always say that I'm not.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I'm definitely not religious, but you know, at the same time,
I do reference, you know, in certain things, like I'll
say to people, you know, if you don't sin, then
Jesus died for nothing, you know, So you've got to
keep him alive.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Yeah, You've got to keep him going.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah. Them a reason that we're looking up for Alvis though,
as well, well, yeah, why not? So you talked a
bit about La so As Hollywood after you what do
you think is going to happen there.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I'm doing some beautiful things with some great people. I mean,
it's just all over the world, which is going on
right now, believe it or not. They're actually just in
the last week talking to New Zealand and the big
TV networks over there what they want to do and
(43:14):
it's really really exciting. So, yeah, we have a producer
here in Australia that produces your one of your shows
over there, which is one of the.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Best sick drama series over there at the moment.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, so he's working on that and we've got a
great cast and crew and everything that.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yah, so we would play you.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
It's one of those things when I first when I
very first started this, and they said, oh, you know,
it's going to be a movie and this and that.
Who you want and I said, Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds
would be great, And then all of a sudden, the
directors and producers came to me. We all sat down,
they said, what about a woman, What about a woman?
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Cool, I's still a woman. And so we've been going
that direction lately, and this particular woman who's really hot
to trot has said yes, I'm going to do it,
so and she also has connections with New Zealand, so yeah,
it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Oh that does sound interesting.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Okay, that's a bit of a bit of a watch
the Space right.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I would love to know what as the best advice
you were ever given and who gave it to you.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Best advice I was ever given it was many, many
years ago, and it was if you always do what
you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got.
And that was given to me by a prison guard
when I was coming out of prison on my twenty
first birthday.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, it changed my life.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
That changed your life.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
And and I mean you've been married for years, right,
and you've been waiting for you to bring this with
your wife for a long time, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
I stole a school uniform at the age of fifteen,
jumped into a school. After being a street kid, I
wanted to be around kids, and I walked into this
school set in this classroom, told the teacher I was
a new student. And this girl sitting behind me told
her friend that she was going to marry me. Yeah,
forty years now.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Wow, incredible, incredible.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I've done some work with prisoners and that sort of thing,
and we always said, the way that you can get
most of these mean to tune them their lives around
as the love of a good woman and a baby.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Oh, absolutely, without doubt, without doubt. And you know the
other thing, you know what I did is I took
my shoes off at the front gate and I walked
off with a pair of socks. And the prison officer said, hey, Billy,
where are you going. I said, I'm going. He says,
to your shoes and I said, no, they brought me
in here. There's no way they're going to fucking bring
me back.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Okay, this has been an absolutely fascinating chat. Thank you
so much for your time today. I'm really excited about
what's coming next. Bell's new book, The Afterlife Confessional is
out now. I highly highly recommend it. I'm not sure
my mother does as she's you know, going to.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
Get the audible and bleep out.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
And then she'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
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Speaker 3 (46:41):
Goodbye,