July 3, 2024 • 25 mins
If you have a room interior that feels like it’s missing something, or just doesn’t feel right, trust your instincts. Interior designer Shelley Ferguson shares her advice for working with the colours, patterns and textures that can often be the missing link you need to pull a room together.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, and welcome to If These Walls Could Talk, the
Razine podcast, where we discuss ideas on decorating color and
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Razine dot co dot Nz Shelly Ferguson, how wonderful to
(00:23):
have you back in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thank you for joining me. Now, a question.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's come up for me a few times is why
do you think that we, as New Zealand and Australians
are drawn to razines neutrals. Do you think it's because
our exterior is so stunning?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, we've got beautiful beaches, we've got beautiful forests.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We don't necessarily you know, we can look outside for
the beautiful colors, whereas inside we want to keep it
paired back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Do you think that's a thing. I think that's a
lot of it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
My other theory is, you know, I grew up South
Auckland near Drury, barefoot, fancy free running around in nature
the whole time, barbecues, sunburn, boating.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, all the great things of summer.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, I think we are casual by nature, and we've always,
most of us had a connection to being outside a lot.
So if you see say European apartment a lot more tailored,
different use of color, you know, it's not you can't
just walk outside.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So it's like central London, you know, you see those
extraordinary homes that are covered in color and wallpaper and
it's extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, but they've got because they've all London.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
They've grown up, you know, going to these incredible department
stores and seeing lots of wallpaper and amazing fashion and
just build maximalist. That's you know, that's what they've seen,
whereas we've seen I think we've had a more casual
and outdoor lifestyle, most of us anyway, So I think
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we relate to that in our homes. One. We want
to feel open the house up and feel like we
can see that and be connected with nature, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, So it's not just the color, it's like all
of the you know, bringing the outside in literally because
it's that open plan living. It's just such a feature
of New Zealand and Australian home. Yes, that's part of it,
isn't it. I think so, And kind of going okay, well,
I'm not going to I'm not going to make the
walls shout because look at.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
That out there.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah yeah, and it's also nice, precious, that's true. Pellettes
that wee like neutrals are great because you can make
them quite hard wearing. You know, it doesn't have to
all be bright white. If you've got a really tonal
neutral palette, it's quite practical.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Absolutely, And that's down to the finish that you choose
as well, choosing something that's a little bit more hard
wearing and so forth.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
In terms of combining.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So you've got a client that wants a combination of
energizing and soft calming, and would.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You go love that, love that soft calming. I would
go back to those sort of color pellets you know
that I was talking about before. If they wanted to
use tonal neutrals, fine, But if they wanted to bring
in one color and have say that analogous color scheme, great,
But energizing to me is uplifting. I like to sort
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of design with the five senses, so I would bring
in some contrast, So I would bring in, say, if
it's green, I might bring in you know, it could
even be just a beautiful blue accent to go with it,
or it could just be a darker green, so bringing
in some contrast. It was texture they think sometimes or
texture absolutely, yeah, yep. And I think color too, So
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thinking about that positive and negative space, you don't want
everything too white.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's a really interesting point to bring up because I
think people get a little bit scared of negative space. Yeah,
the negative is beautiful, leaving something to breeze in a.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Room, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean I always think in my head sort of
don't overfill it, but sixty percent, you know, leave forty percent,
and that's in different areas free as a negative space.
But you know, if you think of a for example,
a spring palette, you know, you might have a lovely
fresh green, but then there's this gorgeous saffron gold. You know,
maybe that comes in as maybe it's a burnished brass
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on candlesticks, or maybe it's a cushion fabric. So I
think creating some contrasts, bringing in an accent color nature,
whether it's branches, florals, you know, bring it inside. And
then I think scent. So yeah, if you're wanting to
be energized, what scent is? It is it a gorgeous
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citrus sort of diffusor in a natural candle, or you know,
is it incense or and then your texture touch. So
we often don't think about the five senses, but when
they're all working together for some reason, we go, oh,
this space feels.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Amazing, isn't it funny?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And we often don't pick why. Yes, but you just
feel great, yes, exactly. But you also walk into a
space and get something's not quite right.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It takes your time to kind of what's standing out
or what's not working. Yes, and when there's that disconnect,
it can be tricky to work out exactly what is
disconnecting for you, but you kind of go That's where
the detective comes in and goes.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, hah, I know it is really check.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It takes a while to figure out, but yeah, I
always think energizing for me, some element of color doesn't
have to be bright, but some element of contrast natural light. Yeah,
five sensors sent texture is huge.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I think creating that razine color combination and then sharing
it with your clients because I suppose the wonderful thing
for your clients and for all the people that get
to access this edit, they'll be in a space that
feels cohesive, that feels wonderful yes, and feels right yes,
and they can go huh yeah. And then you've got
the five senses that you can bring in you know. Yeah,
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that's the site. Touch, feel, yes, and sound is another one.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
You know, if you can, if you can open the
door on birds, or if it's a playlist or whatever
it is, Hopefully it will all come together for the
and one of them will suit. But, like I say,
totally open to someone suggesting there.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, absolutely please everybody listening.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We'd love to hear any ideas that you have for
any other colors or color palette combinations.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes, just a palm spring, maybe a palm spring.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It would be gorgeous that it would be quite some
crazy that there's a lot of art deco and palm
springs that love it.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Now, tell me, over the years, I am sure you've
had experiences that haven't been one hundred percent perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It haven't been a hundred percent smooth.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Tell me about something that perhaps, in hindsight, such a
wonderful thing you've gone.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Ah, now that I know I would have done that instead.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
There's probably a couple of.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Things I do have one funny moment where.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Now I'm so you know, I do floor plans and
the scale and proportion of furniture is so important. Because
I bought this sofa, and luckily it was in our
own home. The sofa just wouldn't fit through the door
and up the stairs.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
We just couldn't get it done.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It was that there's an episode of Friends and it's
got chandlers and Ross and Rachel were trying to get
this giant sofa up the stairs. Yeah, that was me
and my husband. So that one went back. So it
always check, you know, tape it out on the floor,
check your access point access.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I have to say I've been there and I had
to put a couch through a bedroom.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Window, which was no easy. Yeah, yeah, exactly should have
been a modular Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Color wise, I think I did have a house where,
you know, when I was getting into the warm whites,
but I think you've really got to think about the
natural light in the house, and a northern light can
be quite yellow and warm, the southern light can be
quite blue and cold. And I loved this warm white,
which I still love, but I didn't think about the
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fact that this room was flooded with hot yellow light
and I put this, you know, double strength of this,
you know love.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do you remember the guy up?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah it was it was rice cake, which one of
my utter favorites.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Fautiful. So do not let it put you off.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
No, So one end of the house it was perfection
and the other end of the house it looked like butter.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And I was like, I don't like this at all.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But you know, now I've learned. You know, maybe we
go the quarter strength or the half strength in that room.
You know, you only learn that from you know, s
a error.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, and that's why we're often saying to people, use
a razine test pot, use it, use the A four
sheets the test pot. Heard it up, put it up
sea in different areas, yes, because as you walk around
your house and you're in a different north, south, east
west light, Yeah, it's going to change it massively.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It just changes it so much that it's probably my
biggest learning with paint is how much it changes with light.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, and also interior light. You know, if you put
out it's right, if you put up an led light
as opposed to a fluorescent yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, the fluorescents all green exactly. It really throws it yeah,
I've also started. It wasn't a mistake, but when I
was first designing, what I'd often do is say, if
you imagine the room split into thirds, yeah, horizontal. Often
a bit of a mistake is all the details down
the bottom, and so then your middle and your second
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you know, tear have no detail, and it can make
the room look really off balance. That's quite bare, Yes,
exactly like you're going, Oh, and it feels cluttered.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Down the bottom.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So now you know, I love a ceiling that's painted
in the same soft, you know tone, and has a
big pen and has some ceiling trim, even some wallpaper,
you know.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And then the.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Second layer down it's art or wall sponsors or curtains.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So you're just really thinking about the room and all
at three levels.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Absolutely have done so many, especially spaces of my own. Thankfully.
I've made lots of mistakes in my own place. But
it's that thing of you kind of set it up
and you go, huh, something's not right, oh, because when
I look up there's nothing there.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Color on the ceiling is really
quite it can be quite beautiful.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It can be really, I completely agree, absolutely stunning, you know,
and a pop of it doesn't have to be a
bright print wallpaper. It can be a you know, even
on a ceiling or inside a wardrobe where you just
get a peep of it when you open it, just
those little moments paper through.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Actually, yes, the wallpaper thing. Are you seeing it come
back a little bit more? You're using it more for
clients at times?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Definitely? Definitely, yeah. You know, I sort of like to
choose it based on the house. Stars say, if I've
got a really formal house, you know, a stripe is gorgeous.
If I've got a modern house, something quite abstract is
a bit more fashion and fun, you know. And like
I said, I am seeing people being open to expressing themselves.
(10:39):
I think with the amazing hotel design and restaurant design
where it might be a beautiful grass cloth or like
a silk linen look wallpaper, you know, and it is
very natural, so you're not choosing a color or a pattern.
So I often get those into people's houses. It's text feel, yes,
it's the textual feel a cuddle with your wall and
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then the powder rooms, you know, so fun. People are
just letting me go a bit more nuts in certain spaces, which.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is wonderful, isn't it. I mean, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's one of my favorite rooms to design, I have
to say, because it's like you can really go to
town so dark, you can be light, you can be playful,
and it is really that one space that people can
quietly go into on the run and go switch the
light on.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Wow. Yeah, I hadn't seen that coming.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, and I'm seeing a lot more color and kitchens
which is really interesting. So neutral tones like eggshell or
rasine blanc. I did a whole kitchen in that. It
looks really beautiful, but right through to yeah, a soft
soft green or a navy blue or yeah, seeing people
even if it's just the big island, Yeah, you know.
(11:46):
And then we've got yeah, so like in that Milan Pellette,
I've got it's not a color, but I've got white chemmetry,
and then the top of the back of the room's
black beautiful, so creating some contrast in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, but that does lovely things for the three layers
as well. Levels from yes, you're doing that's really nice.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We often see trends coming through like a year or
two later. Yes, and that's you know fashion and you
know cars, and that sort of thing. Yes, they blow
down into interior design, right, Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Automotive industry is one that I think sets the tone
for fashion for interiors. You don't really think about it,
but the colors they're coming up with and the design
of these futuristic cars, which often we don't see for
quite a while. Yeah, and fashion definitely a lot of
that filters down into interiors. I have noticed reds, like
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brick reds.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's interesting, isn't it not bright red?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah? But reds often quite contentious as a color. It
can really agree draw people either way. So it's interesting
that it's coming back. But in those softer yeah, like Earth.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
If you dug up, you know, you can get that
ready tone and you know, right through to those sort
of magentas and plums audience, that whole family sort.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Of Moroccan almost, isn't it yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Sort of style, And in saying Moroccan, I'm noticing more
travel and spied interiors. Ah, I think people going we
again were stuck at home for so long. Whether it
is a bathroom that's like a Moroccans bar, you know,
with amazing glazed tars and curved walls, and you know,
(13:23):
or whether it's just beautiful posters that are framed of
your favorite travel destinations. I think people are wanting to
dream and escape while being at home.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, well we haven't been able to leave for so long. Yeah,
it's really tricky, yes, exactly. Yeah, how to how to
make you know your holiday in your head almost and
then realize it with the rasine color pellette in your
home what.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm calling soft maximalism, which I love. You know, wall paneling, yeah,
quite grand you know wall paneling and a not a
not an old school chandlier like a sculptural, beautiful you know,
pendant and you know you'll have your maybe some curved
some viitual furniture, Yeah, maybe some hearing bun on the
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floor rather than just a plank. So it has sort
of an easy elegance about it, and maybe people are going,
we've been very casual for ages.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Actually, I'd like to feel like there's a touch of.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Formality in my dining room or absolutely add some candlesticks
and some you know, wooll paneling.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I don't know, Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Glass glass, you know, glass blowing lights, pendants, vessels, vases.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Definitely noticed that I noticed it, and lots of color within.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The greens and lusts and and that beautiful those beautiful
jewel tones, yes, gorgeous. Yeah, I do love those. The
wonderful accent options as well. You know, if you are
going super new, absolutely you can do a triple pendant
in a hallway that's you know, those beautiful plumb and
blues and you know, tobacco tones they just look.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Stunning, they do, don't they. Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, And I think it's that mix of materials that
I'm seeing a lot. So even if you're styling, you know,
you could have a solid sort of ceramic, but a
beautiful metal which has a bit of or and a
piece of glass.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Are you're getting that reflective quality? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Things I think you know, mixing metals, Yeah, there's a
lot more almost There was a lot of brass. There's
still a lot of brass, but there's a lot of
almost future brushed stainless and yeah talking about that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Have you used the Razine Metallics range or any love it? Really?
Tell it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I really like it. And what I've even with my
own house. We have a leaky house, so I did
what I call a sanity makeover.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
On this house.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Love it, but just going through. We used a lot
of different razine products for very different reasons. So our
house was leaky, so we used this amazing it almost
has a Mediterranean plaster coush shields mineral effect. Wonderful, amazing
exterior house paint, so it also has water oppelling properties.
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And we used you know, the walk on paving paint
because we just wanted to get rid of the orange
tone in our pavers. And we used the smooth surface cellar.
So we did that for all the cabinet tree, our
kitchen cabinetry and our bathroom cabinet tree.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I sanded it back, put that on, repainted it, and
we did half sea fog for our kitchens.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's a very very soft grade.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I love seafog the whole the whole range. It's beautiful,
you know. And then furniture pieces, you know, on a
couple of bases. Recently, I've used the Raisine gold what
has made me a table base and we've actually painted
and the top might be stone or timber, and I've
actually used that as the just metallic and metallic.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Accent on the bottom.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Beautiful, Yeah, much cheaper than metal. Lying by ife of
brass and trying to find someone to put it off.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, no exactly, And I mean we don't all have
the money to do a full renovation, no exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, so I think the ability for all the different
paint types to solve problems.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's really been a great reminder of that. Oh that's wonderful. Yeah,
how's your home being? How long have you had it's
been up? Good? I'm just terrible.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I thought at my last house, I just got it
to I really loved it, and then went saw this
other house and it's a great opportunity. It's a great location.
And my husband and I have sort of renovated a
few homes. We don't flip them, we live in them
for a long time. But this one I just couldn't
help myself, and I'm really really happy that we did great.
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The only issue is when you've got a reclad with
a leaky home, you can't just chip away at it
each year. I mean it literally needs the whole all
the cladding ripped off and all the timber has to
be new and up to code. So it's a bit
frustrating because that's going to be away down the track,
because that's a big cost that I just don't want
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to do right now, of course, acting like the bank
could give it to.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Me, but you know, I don't want to do that
right now. I totally could, Yeah in my dream. Yeah,
it's just in my bag sitting out there. I could
go and pay for that reno.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But yeah, it's it's also very liberating because we can't
do anything.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well absolutely, so you have to do small things. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
So we did an entire paint reno, just us ingested
paint yep, paint on everything, painted papers, painted tiles, painted
cabinet tree, painted walls, painted the exterior, painted the garage doors.
It was a paint fest.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It was a paint fast. But that paint festin a
lot change.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I feel like I have a new home and you
know that'll get us through until when we do it.
I'm so glad we did it. Yeah, so ah, don't
throw the money away. But actually we had a really
a small budget, so it was quite cost effective. That's
wonderful for the impact that it got.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Isn't it funny because people sort of go, oh, gosh, I.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Can't do just a room like to change my o,
but you can. You can literally do a front door
and it will totally change the effect of when you
walk in, yes, or you know you have a.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Room that you go, oh, gosh, that's my peaceful room.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I wish it wasn't, you know, deep purple or whatever
particular color you have. And this applies to rentals as well.
You know, you can change things. Yeah, that's right. Obviously,
be very conscious of chatting to your landlord first. Yeah,
but you can, yeah, you can, you can change them.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, And I may say I think what people do
often is they'll they'll bite off one room and they'll
do that, and then they'll do another room and they'll
think quite differently about that room. So I'd say even
with me, I was doing mutuals just because I want
it to seem fresh, absolutely, and you know, it's not
the color pellette I will actually do in my home,
but it makes it look expensive, fresh and better. But
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I still did a big picture palette first. So I
sat down and I thought about the fence, and I
thought about the deck, and I thought about the walls,
and I pulled all those color samples and together and
I did my mood boards. Yeah, and I made sure
all those undertones were happy. And then I added a
couple of accent colors which also go with those mutuals.
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And the Razine website's great and habitat because they will
always give you clues if you click on something.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
This goes with that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I think that's a really important thing. I mean
I always recommend people do a mood board. Yeah, it
sounds quite sort of cutesy, but actually it's such a
golden tool for me personally anyway, because you can physically
see right in front of you the Razine colors and
palette that you're thinking of going with.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do they work? Do they sit together? Am I comfortable
looking at them? Yes? Because that's the essence of it, right.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Absolutely agree, And I often with clients. Yes, we have
a mood board. We give it a name, We write keywords,
like say, if it's I was talking about palm springs before,
my keywords would be breeze blocks, white, horizontal cedar, palm trees,
mosaic tie. I mean, I can't think of anymore, but
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Craving, Yes, couple of pops, a bright color, blue, green, yellows,
I've got some, yes, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
And then I think it's like a little pet. You know,
if you give it a name, you have to give
it a name because it's something.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So how do you come up with this?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well, that one was Palm Springs, pool Side. Just whatever
inspires you. It could Yeah, it could be anything because
then they have a big picture planned and so then
they can edit their choices because otherwise they go out
and they go, I love that, I love that, I
love that, and they bring it home and they go,
why doesn't it work together?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Because it's not in the story.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yes, we've established the mode board, we've established the materials pellette,
we've established the color pellette. It's got a name, there's
a document. You can take it into stores with you,
perfect and you can go, I really love.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That, but that does not fit. Look at that. It
doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's such a learning experience, but such a wonderful experience
creating your home because it's really telling your story of
who you are, and anyone that comes into your home
is getting a part of your your life.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Really or you just think it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You know, it's the one place you can truly just
let it all go right. You do whatever you want,
you can be whatever you want. You can just feel
so safe and sow yourself. And I think, why not
express who you are absolutely through the house at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, it's so exciting and the options are endless. And
the other wonderful thing is you can change things up exactly.
It's not like you're saying you've done this spruce up
or this this this.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Sanity, Sanity makeover. I love it now. That is a
name I'm going to keep.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, sanity makeover, which is not as you say, you're
going to be your palette for all time.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No, but you do that and then you go, I've
changed my mind.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I mean you must be seeing differences now what people
are choosing as opposed to ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Definitely, I think it was a lot more minimalist. There
was a lot more white and gray, bit of a cooler,
quite modern look, and I'm definitely seeing now that softening.
More curves, yeah, yeah, more softer paint colors being used,
more sculptural shapes and furniture and objects, things that are a
bit imperfect. Absolutely, so I think we went all, it's
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all got to be polished in perfect, and then we
went no, we want to.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Okay, we want to breathe again.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, I think, yeah, more more detailed, more craftsmanship and
beautiful attention to detail.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
That attention to detail is such a focal thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I Mean when you walk into a home and they've
really you can see the difference between you know, so
they've used a different finish. They could use the same
color family, but they've used a different finish. So they've
used a gloss on the on the definite.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, and that just makes the color come out in
a different way for sure. Really Yeah, using that semi
gloss on your trims. I also just a tiny tip,
but I always paint my ceiling in the wall paint
in the white self. My wallpaints, you know, half blank,
which I used in that house, which is not a
white bright white, but I just wrapped it over the
ceiling as well, so you're not creating these line and
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cutting the ceiling off.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
That's the thing I think.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think even if you're doing a dark room, just
what you're trying to do is create almost a cave
feeling so that it's cozy, but you don't want the
lines stepping out. Because I've definitely been in a situation
where people are like, oh, I don't want a dark
ceiling because because I've got you know, and you're like,
you've got dark walls. No, I don't want a dark
ceiling because it'll be too dark. And actually what you're
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doing is creating massive attention draw having a white ceiling
with all dark. Yes, And it's that crazy thing if
you just do it all in one room and just
lean into that palette.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Lean, lean and dark, you know, dark moody colors advance,
so it will make you feel and well that scares
people for some areas like a snug a TV in
space or your entrance way you know that can look
on it to be moody with a big mirror and
a child floor or something.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, I think you go with it. You create mood.
I mean really, color does create mood, doesn't it. Yeah? Absolutely,
and so clever, isn't it. It's so clever.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, so so tep Well, Shelley, thank you so so
much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I have really loved talking to you. It's been absode
blast and we will get you back, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And thank you for joining us on if these Walls
could talk. Remember to send those questions through to editor
at habitat by Razine dot co dot nz.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Talk soon,
Hi, and welcome to If These Walls Could Talk, the
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Razine dot co dot Nz Shelly Ferguson, how wonderful to
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have you back in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thank you for joining me. Now, a question.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's come up for me a few times is why
do you think that we, as New Zealand and Australians
are drawn to razines neutrals. Do you think it's because
our exterior is so stunning?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, we've got beautiful beaches, we've got beautiful forests.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We don't necessarily you know, we can look outside for
the beautiful colors, whereas inside we want to keep it
paired back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Do you think that's a thing. I think that's a
lot of it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
My other theory is, you know, I grew up South
Auckland near Drury, barefoot, fancy free running around in nature
the whole time, barbecues, sunburn, boating.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, all the great things of summer.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, I think we are casual by nature, and we've always,
most of us had a connection to being outside a lot.
So if you see say European apartment a lot more tailored,
different use of color, you know, it's not you can't
just walk outside.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So it's like central London, you know, you see those
extraordinary homes that are covered in color and wallpaper and
it's extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, but they've got because they've all London.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
They've grown up, you know, going to these incredible department
stores and seeing lots of wallpaper and amazing fashion and
just build maximalist. That's you know, that's what they've seen,
whereas we've seen I think we've had a more casual
and outdoor lifestyle, most of us anyway, So I think
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we relate to that in our homes. One. We want
to feel open the house up and feel like we
can see that and be connected with nature, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, So it's not just the color, it's like all
of the you know, bringing the outside in literally because
it's that open plan living. It's just such a feature
of New Zealand and Australian home. Yes, that's part of it,
isn't it. I think so, And kind of going okay, well,
I'm not going to I'm not going to make the
walls shout because look at.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
That out there.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah yeah, and it's also nice, precious, that's true. Pellettes
that wee like neutrals are great because you can make
them quite hard wearing. You know, it doesn't have to
all be bright white. If you've got a really tonal
neutral palette, it's quite practical.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Absolutely, And that's down to the finish that you choose
as well, choosing something that's a little bit more hard
wearing and so forth.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
In terms of combining.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So you've got a client that wants a combination of
energizing and soft calming, and would.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You go love that, love that soft calming. I would
go back to those sort of color pellets you know
that I was talking about before. If they wanted to
use tonal neutrals, fine, But if they wanted to bring
in one color and have say that analogous color scheme, great,
But energizing to me is uplifting. I like to sort
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of design with the five senses, so I would bring
in some contrast, So I would bring in, say, if
it's green, I might bring in you know, it could
even be just a beautiful blue accent to go with it,
or it could just be a darker green, so bringing
in some contrast. It was texture they think sometimes or
texture absolutely, yeah, yep. And I think color too, So
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thinking about that positive and negative space, you don't want
everything too white.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's a really interesting point to bring up because I
think people get a little bit scared of negative space. Yeah,
the negative is beautiful, leaving something to breeze in a.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Room, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean I always think in my head sort of
don't overfill it, but sixty percent, you know, leave forty percent,
and that's in different areas free as a negative space.
But you know, if you think of a for example,
a spring palette, you know, you might have a lovely
fresh green, but then there's this gorgeous saffron gold. You know,
maybe that comes in as maybe it's a burnished brass
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on candlesticks, or maybe it's a cushion fabric. So I
think creating some contrasts, bringing in an accent color nature,
whether it's branches, florals, you know, bring it inside. And
then I think scent. So yeah, if you're wanting to
be energized, what scent is? It is it a gorgeous
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citrus sort of diffusor in a natural candle, or you know,
is it incense or and then your texture touch. So
we often don't think about the five senses, but when
they're all working together for some reason, we go, oh,
this space feels.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Amazing, isn't it funny?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And we often don't pick why. Yes, but you just
feel great, yes, exactly. But you also walk into a
space and get something's not quite right.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It takes your time to kind of what's standing out
or what's not working. Yes, and when there's that disconnect,
it can be tricky to work out exactly what is
disconnecting for you, but you kind of go That's where
the detective comes in and goes.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, hah, I know it is really check.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It takes a while to figure out, but yeah, I
always think energizing for me, some element of color doesn't
have to be bright, but some element of contrast natural light. Yeah,
five sensors sent texture is huge.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I think creating that razine color combination and then sharing
it with your clients because I suppose the wonderful thing
for your clients and for all the people that get
to access this edit, they'll be in a space that
feels cohesive, that feels wonderful yes, and feels right yes,
and they can go huh yeah. And then you've got
the five senses that you can bring in you know. Yeah,
(05:49):
that's the site. Touch, feel, yes, and sound is another one.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
You know, if you can, if you can open the
door on birds, or if it's a playlist or whatever
it is, Hopefully it will all come together for the
and one of them will suit. But, like I say,
totally open to someone suggesting there.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, absolutely please everybody listening.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We'd love to hear any ideas that you have for
any other colors or color palette combinations.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes, just a palm spring, maybe a palm spring.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It would be gorgeous that it would be quite some
crazy that there's a lot of art deco and palm
springs that love it.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Now, tell me, over the years, I am sure you've
had experiences that haven't been one hundred percent perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It haven't been a hundred percent smooth.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Tell me about something that perhaps, in hindsight, such a
wonderful thing you've gone.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Ah, now that I know I would have done that instead.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
There's probably a couple of.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Things I do have one funny moment where.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Now I'm so you know, I do floor plans and
the scale and proportion of furniture is so important. Because
I bought this sofa, and luckily it was in our
own home. The sofa just wouldn't fit through the door
and up the stairs.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
We just couldn't get it done.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It was that there's an episode of Friends and it's
got chandlers and Ross and Rachel were trying to get
this giant sofa up the stairs. Yeah, that was me
and my husband. So that one went back. So it
always check, you know, tape it out on the floor,
check your access point access.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I have to say I've been there and I had
to put a couch through a bedroom.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Window, which was no easy. Yeah, yeah, exactly should have
been a modular Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Color wise, I think I did have a house where,
you know, when I was getting into the warm whites,
but I think you've really got to think about the
natural light in the house, and a northern light can
be quite yellow and warm, the southern light can be
quite blue and cold. And I loved this warm white,
which I still love, but I didn't think about the
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fact that this room was flooded with hot yellow light
and I put this, you know, double strength of this,
you know love.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do you remember the guy up?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah it was it was rice cake, which one of
my utter favorites.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Fautiful. So do not let it put you off.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
No, So one end of the house it was perfection
and the other end of the house it looked like butter.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And I was like, I don't like this at all.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But you know, now I've learned. You know, maybe we
go the quarter strength or the half strength in that room.
You know, you only learn that from you know, s
a error.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, and that's why we're often saying to people, use
a razine test pot, use it, use the A four
sheets the test pot. Heard it up, put it up
sea in different areas, yes, because as you walk around
your house and you're in a different north, south, east
west light, Yeah, it's going to change it massively.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It just changes it so much that it's probably my
biggest learning with paint is how much it changes with light.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, and also interior light. You know, if you put
out it's right, if you put up an led light
as opposed to a fluorescent yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, the fluorescents all green exactly. It really throws it yeah,
I've also started. It wasn't a mistake, but when I
was first designing, what I'd often do is say, if
you imagine the room split into thirds, yeah, horizontal. Often
a bit of a mistake is all the details down
the bottom, and so then your middle and your second
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you know, tear have no detail, and it can make
the room look really off balance. That's quite bare, Yes,
exactly like you're going, Oh, and it feels cluttered.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Down the bottom.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So now you know, I love a ceiling that's painted
in the same soft, you know tone, and has a
big pen and has some ceiling trim, even some wallpaper,
you know.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And then the.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Second layer down it's art or wall sponsors or curtains.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So you're just really thinking about the room and all
at three levels.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Absolutely have done so many, especially spaces of my own. Thankfully.
I've made lots of mistakes in my own place. But
it's that thing of you kind of set it up
and you go, huh, something's not right, oh, because when
I look up there's nothing there.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Color on the ceiling is really
quite it can be quite beautiful.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It can be really, I completely agree, absolutely stunning, you know,
and a pop of it doesn't have to be a
bright print wallpaper. It can be a you know, even
on a ceiling or inside a wardrobe where you just
get a peep of it when you open it, just
those little moments paper through.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Actually, yes, the wallpaper thing. Are you seeing it come
back a little bit more? You're using it more for
clients at times?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Definitely? Definitely, yeah. You know, I sort of like to
choose it based on the house. Stars say, if I've
got a really formal house, you know, a stripe is gorgeous.
If I've got a modern house, something quite abstract is
a bit more fashion and fun, you know. And like
I said, I am seeing people being open to expressing themselves.
(10:39):
I think with the amazing hotel design and restaurant design
where it might be a beautiful grass cloth or like
a silk linen look wallpaper, you know, and it is
very natural, so you're not choosing a color or a pattern.
So I often get those into people's houses. It's text feel, yes,
it's the textual feel a cuddle with your wall and
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then the powder rooms, you know, so fun. People are
just letting me go a bit more nuts in certain spaces, which.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is wonderful, isn't it. I mean, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's one of my favorite rooms to design, I have
to say, because it's like you can really go to
town so dark, you can be light, you can be playful,
and it is really that one space that people can
quietly go into on the run and go switch the
light on.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Wow. Yeah, I hadn't seen that coming.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, and I'm seeing a lot more color and kitchens
which is really interesting. So neutral tones like eggshell or
rasine blanc. I did a whole kitchen in that. It
looks really beautiful, but right through to yeah, a soft
soft green or a navy blue or yeah, seeing people
even if it's just the big island, Yeah, you know.
(11:46):
And then we've got yeah, so like in that Milan Pellette,
I've got it's not a color, but I've got white chemmetry,
and then the top of the back of the room's
black beautiful, so creating some contrast in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, but that does lovely things for the three layers
as well. Levels from yes, you're doing that's really nice.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We often see trends coming through like a year or
two later. Yes, and that's you know fashion and you
know cars, and that sort of thing. Yes, they blow
down into interior design, right, Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Automotive industry is one that I think sets the tone
for fashion for interiors. You don't really think about it,
but the colors they're coming up with and the design
of these futuristic cars, which often we don't see for
quite a while. Yeah, and fashion definitely a lot of
that filters down into interiors. I have noticed reds, like
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brick reds.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's interesting, isn't it not bright red?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah? But reds often quite contentious as a color. It
can really agree draw people either way. So it's interesting
that it's coming back. But in those softer yeah, like Earth.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
If you dug up, you know, you can get that
ready tone and you know, right through to those sort
of magentas and plums audience, that whole family sort.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Of Moroccan almost, isn't it yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Sort of style, And in saying Moroccan, I'm noticing more
travel and spied interiors. Ah, I think people going we
again were stuck at home for so long. Whether it
is a bathroom that's like a Moroccans bar, you know,
with amazing glazed tars and curved walls, and you know,
(13:23):
or whether it's just beautiful posters that are framed of
your favorite travel destinations. I think people are wanting to
dream and escape while being at home.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, well we haven't been able to leave for so long. Yeah,
it's really tricky, yes, exactly. Yeah, how to how to
make you know your holiday in your head almost and
then realize it with the rasine color pellette in your
home what.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm calling soft maximalism, which I love. You know, wall paneling, yeah,
quite grand you know wall paneling and a not a
not an old school chandlier like a sculptural, beautiful you know,
pendant and you know you'll have your maybe some curved
some viitual furniture, Yeah, maybe some hearing bun on the
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floor rather than just a plank. So it has sort
of an easy elegance about it, and maybe people are going,
we've been very casual for ages.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Actually, I'd like to feel like there's a touch of.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Formality in my dining room or absolutely add some candlesticks
and some you know, wooll paneling.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I don't know, Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Glass glass, you know, glass blowing lights, pendants, vessels, vases.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Definitely noticed that I noticed it, and lots of color within.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The greens and lusts and and that beautiful those beautiful
jewel tones, yes, gorgeous. Yeah, I do love those. The
wonderful accent options as well. You know, if you are
going super new, absolutely you can do a triple pendant
in a hallway that's you know, those beautiful plumb and
blues and you know, tobacco tones they just look.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Stunning, they do, don't they. Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, And I think it's that mix of materials that
I'm seeing a lot. So even if you're styling, you know,
you could have a solid sort of ceramic, but a
beautiful metal which has a bit of or and a
piece of glass.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Are you're getting that reflective quality? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Things I think you know, mixing metals, Yeah, there's a
lot more almost There was a lot of brass. There's
still a lot of brass, but there's a lot of
almost future brushed stainless and yeah talking about that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Have you used the Razine Metallics range or any love it? Really?
Tell it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I really like it. And what I've even with my
own house. We have a leaky house, so I did
what I call a sanity makeover.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
On this house.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Love it, but just going through. We used a lot
of different razine products for very different reasons. So our
house was leaky, so we used this amazing it almost
has a Mediterranean plaster coush shields mineral effect. Wonderful, amazing
exterior house paint, so it also has water oppelling properties.
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And we used you know, the walk on paving paint
because we just wanted to get rid of the orange
tone in our pavers. And we used the smooth surface cellar.
So we did that for all the cabinet tree, our
kitchen cabinetry and our bathroom cabinet tree.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I sanded it back, put that on, repainted it, and
we did half sea fog for our kitchens.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's a very very soft grade.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I love seafog the whole the whole range. It's beautiful,
you know. And then furniture pieces, you know, on a
couple of bases. Recently, I've used the Raisine gold what
has made me a table base and we've actually painted
and the top might be stone or timber, and I've
actually used that as the just metallic and metallic.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Accent on the bottom.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Beautiful, Yeah, much cheaper than metal. Lying by ife of
brass and trying to find someone to put it off.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, no exactly, And I mean we don't all have
the money to do a full renovation, no exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, so I think the ability for all the different
paint types to solve problems.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's really been a great reminder of that. Oh that's wonderful. Yeah,
how's your home being? How long have you had it's
been up? Good? I'm just terrible.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I thought at my last house, I just got it
to I really loved it, and then went saw this
other house and it's a great opportunity. It's a great location.
And my husband and I have sort of renovated a
few homes. We don't flip them, we live in them
for a long time. But this one I just couldn't
help myself, and I'm really really happy that we did great.
(17:43):
The only issue is when you've got a reclad with
a leaky home, you can't just chip away at it
each year. I mean it literally needs the whole all
the cladding ripped off and all the timber has to
be new and up to code. So it's a bit
frustrating because that's going to be away down the track,
because that's a big cost that I just don't want
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to do right now, of course, acting like the bank
could give it to.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Me, but you know, I don't want to do that
right now. I totally could, Yeah in my dream. Yeah,
it's just in my bag sitting out there. I could
go and pay for that reno.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But yeah, it's it's also very liberating because we can't
do anything.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well absolutely, so you have to do small things. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
So we did an entire paint reno, just us ingested
paint yep, paint on everything, painted papers, painted tiles, painted
cabinet tree, painted walls, painted the exterior, painted the garage doors.
It was a paint fest.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It was a paint fast. But that paint festin a
lot change.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I feel like I have a new home and you
know that'll get us through until when we do it.
I'm so glad we did it. Yeah, so ah, don't
throw the money away. But actually we had a really
a small budget, so it was quite cost effective. That's
wonderful for the impact that it got.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Isn't it funny because people sort of go, oh, gosh, I.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Can't do just a room like to change my o,
but you can. You can literally do a front door
and it will totally change the effect of when you
walk in, yes, or you know you have a.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Room that you go, oh, gosh, that's my peaceful room.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I wish it wasn't, you know, deep purple or whatever
particular color you have. And this applies to rentals as well.
You know, you can change things. Yeah, that's right. Obviously,
be very conscious of chatting to your landlord first. Yeah,
but you can, yeah, you can, you can change them.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, And I may say I think what people do
often is they'll they'll bite off one room and they'll
do that, and then they'll do another room and they'll
think quite differently about that room. So I'd say even
with me, I was doing mutuals just because I want
it to seem fresh, absolutely, and you know, it's not
the color pellette I will actually do in my home,
but it makes it look expensive, fresh and better. But
(19:50):
I still did a big picture palette first. So I
sat down and I thought about the fence, and I
thought about the deck, and I thought about the walls,
and I pulled all those color samples and together and
I did my mood boards. Yeah, and I made sure
all those undertones were happy. And then I added a
couple of accent colors which also go with those mutuals.
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And the Razine website's great and habitat because they will
always give you clues if you click on something.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
This goes with that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I think that's a really important thing. I mean
I always recommend people do a mood board. Yeah, it
sounds quite sort of cutesy, but actually it's such a
golden tool for me personally anyway, because you can physically
see right in front of you the Razine colors and
palette that you're thinking of going with.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do they work? Do they sit together? Am I comfortable
looking at them? Yes? Because that's the essence of it, right.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Absolutely agree, And I often with clients. Yes, we have
a mood board. We give it a name, We write keywords,
like say, if it's I was talking about palm springs before,
my keywords would be breeze blocks, white, horizontal cedar, palm trees,
mosaic tie. I mean, I can't think of anymore, but
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Craving, Yes, couple of pops, a bright color, blue, green, yellows,
I've got some, yes, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
And then I think it's like a little pet. You know,
if you give it a name, you have to give
it a name because it's something.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So how do you come up with this?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well, that one was Palm Springs, pool Side. Just whatever
inspires you. It could Yeah, it could be anything because
then they have a big picture planned and so then
they can edit their choices because otherwise they go out
and they go, I love that, I love that, I
love that, and they bring it home and they go,
why doesn't it work together?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Because it's not in the story.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yes, we've established the mode board, we've established the materials pellette,
we've established the color pellette. It's got a name, there's
a document. You can take it into stores with you,
perfect and you can go, I really love.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That, but that does not fit. Look at that. It
doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's such a learning experience, but such a wonderful experience
creating your home because it's really telling your story of
who you are, and anyone that comes into your home
is getting a part of your your life.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Really or you just think it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You know, it's the one place you can truly just
let it all go right. You do whatever you want,
you can be whatever you want. You can just feel
so safe and sow yourself. And I think, why not
express who you are absolutely through the house at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, it's so exciting and the options are endless. And
the other wonderful thing is you can change things up exactly.
It's not like you're saying you've done this spruce up
or this this this.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Sanity, Sanity makeover. I love it now. That is a
name I'm going to keep.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, sanity makeover, which is not as you say, you're
going to be your palette for all time.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No, but you do that and then you go, I've
changed my mind.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I mean you must be seeing differences now what people
are choosing as opposed to ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Definitely, I think it was a lot more minimalist. There
was a lot more white and gray, bit of a cooler,
quite modern look, and I'm definitely seeing now that softening.
More curves, yeah, yeah, more softer paint colors being used,
more sculptural shapes and furniture and objects, things that are a
bit imperfect. Absolutely, so I think we went all, it's
(23:11):
all got to be polished in perfect, and then we
went no, we want to.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Okay, we want to breathe again.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, I think, yeah, more more detailed, more craftsmanship and
beautiful attention to detail.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
That attention to detail is such a focal thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I Mean when you walk into a home and they've
really you can see the difference between you know, so
they've used a different finish. They could use the same
color family, but they've used a different finish. So they've
used a gloss on the on the definite.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, and that just makes the color come out in
a different way for sure. Really Yeah, using that semi
gloss on your trims. I also just a tiny tip,
but I always paint my ceiling in the wall paint
in the white self. My wallpaints, you know, half blank,
which I used in that house, which is not a
white bright white, but I just wrapped it over the
ceiling as well, so you're not creating these line and
(24:00):
cutting the ceiling off.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
That's the thing I think.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think even if you're doing a dark room, just
what you're trying to do is create almost a cave
feeling so that it's cozy, but you don't want the
lines stepping out. Because I've definitely been in a situation
where people are like, oh, I don't want a dark
ceiling because because I've got you know, and you're like,
you've got dark walls. No, I don't want a dark
ceiling because it'll be too dark. And actually what you're
(24:22):
doing is creating massive attention draw having a white ceiling
with all dark. Yes, And it's that crazy thing if
you just do it all in one room and just
lean into that palette.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Lean, lean and dark, you know, dark moody colors advance,
so it will make you feel and well that scares
people for some areas like a snug a TV in
space or your entrance way you know that can look
on it to be moody with a big mirror and
a child floor or something.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, I think you go with it. You create mood.
I mean really, color does create mood, doesn't it. Yeah? Absolutely,
and so clever, isn't it. It's so clever.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, so so tep Well, Shelley, thank you so so
much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I have really loved talking to you. It's been absode
blast and we will get you back, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And thank you for joining us on if these Walls
could talk. Remember to send those questions through to editor
at habitat by Razine dot co dot nz.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Talk soon,
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