June 18, 2024 • 49 mins
Otene Hopa, National Cultural Lead at PwC New Zealand. 🌿 Passionate about sharing the world through a te ao Māori lens, Otene brings invaluable cultural expertise to the business world. Fluent in Te Reo Māori, he facilitates workshops, cultural intelligence training, and public speaking nationally and abroad. With a background in education and a lifelong passion for Kapa Haka, Otene is dedicated to fostering cultural capability and connections across Aotearoa. 🌟
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hanna or I hope they called Marcia Hi if you
just look at their name.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh and you know the drill by now and as
I look burn the moon Man.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And we are here with another fantastic episode of Ending Me.
iHeartRadio's latest greatest mari Altered or made?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Where else would you rather be?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Caught it All?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
That is right, Cord it All is the word around
the streets, and it's here with us where you get
to learn a little bit of fun, a little bit
of tell you Mary, have some fun, be entertained, celebrating
our culture right here at but more importantly, be a
little bit more of the corred or tongue you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The cord you you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I don't know if you've got it yet, but hopefully
you do. We are also shamelessly that they talking so lot.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We it's all.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
About inspiring out.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I've got to our fino, our quia mat put them
not there, because if you want to beat somebody and.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You want to go somewhere to wake up, you wanna.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Be somebody and you want to go somewhere, you wake
up and.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Pay a.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Freaking lutely, because doing nothing is not an option. And
we've learned throughout a couple of episodes now that intertit
tokio and put annoyed to more. Two we've got some
fantastic role models of martyrdom of business and fashion of
of everything. So many more to come and today is
no different.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Today is no different.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And you're right, we've got heaps of guests uh and
the off from talking and that's only this season. So
we're hoping that we're getting more because we got so
much to offer up there. So my swipe up don't
go anywhere. Yeah, how the.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Cop oh, Masia, I'm excited for this one, the co papa.
Every week ere wiki, we bring you a great copuppet.
Then we celebrate and we focus on and today of
all days, Masia talk about getting greeted. There's another hopper
and the funny. We're talking about Mary and corporate roles.
We're talking about Mary doing things on a global scale.
(02:25):
We are talking about the one and only our money
Hitty today or.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Tonay Hooper is another funny today.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Yes, that's right into.
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Uh and all has many many talents are coming here
to the show today that you know, share all his
cord it all and maybe teach us a little bit
of todail too, while is here because men, brother, I
love the fact that Marsia, you get to interview your brother.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Yeh like first question, why are you here? Because the
question for me? The question for me.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
So we've had obviously celebrity gifts from talking. So if
you're interviewing your brother, does that mean you've made it?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
And I know right now question, I know right now.
He is like, we made it to our platform.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Majuama, congratulations there you've made It's so tough because he
wants he's being somebody and he's going somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He's woken up to pay attention because do you know
how mum.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
That is the copa bot or my k the hana kiyoto.
It is time for Kiki kickf co.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Ki Ki kick cafe.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That is right here.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We can we bring you a new way, a new
phrase to learn to deal maori and have some fun
with it. But more so doing things into the old
that we all do. We all go out for a
little lunch date to brunch date tamiw tamya and coffee.
Here in Old Tidor, we are some of the best
coffee caffeine drinkers in the world. So every week we
bring you a phrase as to how you can order
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your favorite coffee.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Take Is it peasy? Cover girl? Is it peasy cover girl?
We're going with a soy.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Latte, not my favorite. You like the lattes but not soy.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
But I know so se soy was the original alternative milk.
There was milk and so like the only other one
at the time that was that, and everyone got that
was before almonds had nipples, correct, before you put like
little thing the teats on them to milk and almond.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So what is the soy soy.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Soy bean?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And it's again it's been soaked in water, but it
tastes like, in my opinion, like you're eating drinking cardboard milk.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
But it's a vibe.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
People like it. It's an alternative to milk, and we're
going for it. But let's take it away this time.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, you know, soy is like the first alternative really
for the coffee. Yeah, milk, it's probably like trim milk.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
That you have any milk in your house, there's got
a yellow or light blue capkin.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
And now what's the extra today as a soy milk latte?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Soy latte, and we're gonna take it away this time,
we're not going to dine and we're taking away.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Cap take away.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, okay, keep coming already Mary.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So if I'm gonna walk and say, hey girl, can
I please a soy latte takeaway?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes, you would say here right there, Peenie Marku Kenny, yes,
peenie simple right there, Peenie Marku, that's your I would
like a soy latte please, Well, you know I would
like a soy latte.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And then if you want to add to take away? Hey,
how do youatu?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Hey? Howat to go away?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
How do you is to carry it away?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Take it away?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Rat? The peenie Marku? Hey, horriatu?
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Rat? Peeni Marku? Hey, horriatu? Hey? How do you to? Hey?
How do I want a solate to take away? Yes?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And if they ask how big? Every time, going back
around with the little mediums, and.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Then you're like, I wanted more big coffee energy here and.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Then they say eleven dollars and you say, actually, why not?
That is our coffee for today? So laekick kick cafe
kick cafe caffee.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Mark Hey howatu hey?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
How that's right? That's how you order it.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
And now that you've had your coffee. We're a little
bit waking up in the team on our bodies warm.
We're ready to go, but we need to warm up
our hitting oddoor as well, which brings us to our
next section.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
It's we play a game and this morning is no
different or today is no different. Our game is cool.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
That's what they do.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
We have three celebrities in front of us. Could be Mary,
could be not. Preferably, we have three celebrities. We have
to describe who they are. We just have to guess
who the celebrity is. But each round gets harder and harder. Okay,
so the first round, many words as you want to describe.
This second round, we're going to go with five words only. Yeah,
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let's go five words and then the last round.
Speaker 9 (07:25):
One word to describe the celebrity. Okay, alright, my Wayati okay, okay,
alrighty okay, fashion.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Kid all right minus reporter, radio TV host.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Co Papa, oh tamariki, oh hip funny like outgoing, Yes,
what's your name with Marti? Al right here, that's a
good guess. No, yes, well, Copapa is the biggest tvd
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out of all of TV host.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
She is in that that program that's no longer on air.
Quite sad.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, another tvdohy. She sits in the middle, and she's
most times the only way in there that's sitting on
that panel.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Is it that Comedians?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
It that?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Koya if I ho.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
She is the anchor, she's the Mainanie Forbes.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
And she's also been on her kids program. That's why
I said. She's also been the host of the kids program,
Come one guys Ky program.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, that does. Connor, it was good.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
That was.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You shouldn't get five.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Connor Lloyd.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Yes, she was.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
She was a good Okay, here we go, uh here,
hey maya, here here.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
An actor hector away with long hair that wants to
be then my husband Jason.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Last round?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Stick to that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, no hyphens, no, no lela. Right here we go.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yes? Fifty dollars.
Speaker 10 (10:19):
Up.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I haven't got much for.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Edmund and I know I know very well the white hearing.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
What's the hundred Oh wow, we have hundred dollar bills?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Oh yeah, read read I don't know what like in
the Ratherford College and we signed yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Rather but the purple ones are vibe.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
I can.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
To eggs, eggs, James Rolston, I see.
Speaker 11 (11:09):
Eggs eggs, eggs tell you tomorrow, eggs pay back going
buddy sitting there like lady bloody.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's my favorite everyone, and that is white. It's time
to pour it over the red, according the God and.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
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Speaker 2 (12:25):
My heto poor ha oh so poor ha? Now is
this soe as in your bum?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh you know.
Speaker 12 (12:37):
Poor, not poo ha like a pooh bum. This is
poor as opposed to a po po or a poor
because you know, yeah, okay poor.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Found poor are.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Space surrounding area paper? Sure an open egg bum.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's freaking team.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Opening bum.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah it's not quite there. It's an open.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Behind ah to say your bum's open, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
What it translates to. But what it's trying to say
is someone that's being promiscuous.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Ah, you will look at me. Yeah, because you got
out of the three of us, you're clearly the like
not to n literally and metaphorically. Yeah, you got all excited.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
You put that on your grinder profile.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Hip hop an open behind being promiscuous. It is a
similarly used to make one chuckle when talking about somebody
was always out looking for a new sexual part.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Definitely made us chuckle.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You're still looking at even the production team and looking
at me the window.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Or other words, looked, yeah, you know, I'll take it.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
That's a yeah, yeah, someone that's promiscuous.
Speaker 13 (14:19):
So look at there flirting up the stairs, got it limping, poor,
I like it?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Ka, okay, make you scared?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Don't they ever need to have.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Promiscue? That is outcording?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Oh my, alright, the it's time here and it's time,
it is time. It is for our money, hitty.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I'm very excited about this mastery because this is another
hoopah and the funny the hoop hoopa.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Wow, they're here.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Are you ready to the.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Skirt? My name.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Wicked came up pretty much.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
What welcome to our podcast it all and before we
get into all and thank you for the fantastic tongue
today amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I just want to ask, because anyone else portugues.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
He brought some chocolate buttons, dairy milk. Gotta love the
Cadbury Easter eggs for both Phoenix and Luke.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then I get a dairy milk bunny.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Point here is it. It's full cream milk, not for milk,
and that is the point. I hope you enjoy it
and every piece, may you savor it and think of me.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Carry on, I'm going to eat it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
So he's brought this. He also has provided the set today.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
My toy and my beautiful norm.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
He's just been sitting on a be sitting on a
hard couch the last week because he's got no cushions.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Are you ok?
Speaker 10 (17:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
There's always alternate Our Manu Hittie mean a lot to
us on our show. Our show is always has a
copper and we like to celebrate that because it's all
about Mary doing great things and on smaller scales, but
making your smaller scale be the volume of what you do.
Before we get into who you are what you do.
We always a bit of research on our and because
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you're also the brother the two nani or to a
kind of of Marsia we are.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I think it's just appropriate that she interviews you today.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Before we get into that. All right, I love her
carry on because then our start.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
In the in the container, so it doesn't there we
thank you, right, cut a fewer, cut a.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Fewer alternate Caine Harper, otherwise known as an As of.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Kato dissent.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
He is passionate about helping people see the world throughout
the Marii lens and the value and the value this
perspective can bring. Uh In his role, authentic works in
partnership with the man who could have leadership to deliver
Maori cultural expertise, expretise, oh my gosh, advice and guidance
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that supports the development of cultural capability across all business units.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Before we get into our Q and A with you, Yes,
according to who are you? Where are you from? Yeah?
Killed on Koto and before I kind of go on,
I'm supposed to be here. That's why I was invit
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not have your.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Home, uh n, my heart is.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Truly, it's truly and where where we grew up with
our our grandmother's people of Nati ho of with our mother. Yeah,
if she's she's probably set the foundations for us, and
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so I'm sure that there will be a theme of
some of the corridor.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
She would also say not probably.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
She's watching going probably where did it all start for you?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Because we've known each other since we were kids, but
we're also for knowing it as well. But growing up
in Faraday and then going off to UNI and then going,
you know what, I'm going to try and travel the world.
But where did corporate life altany hoopa start from?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
In terms of schooling and going further? I think I
think I've kind of fallen into the corporate life. But
if I if I reflect back, where to your question
where did it start?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
For me?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's Copa Haka. Copa Haka has set the to our
Papa has set the foundation for the life that I
live now. Growing up, I thought everybody went to copy
you know, and I thought everybody learnt wayata. And so
that real love for your culture, for your girl, for
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our history, for the way that we do things tikanga
and all that kind of stuff has always been something
that's fascinated me and probably fascinated me to an obsession
to that that kind of level, and so being able
to bring that into my working day life, I feel
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like I've kind of hit the jackpots, you know.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And so when I've when I've gotten this opportunity to
actually be in the corporate world, coupled with my growing
up when Kapahaka and the Madai and all that kind
of stuff, our mother was very very keen on making
sure that we had exposure to both all both worlds.
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So whilst our Mai Mai to put a Mary was important,
being in a being able to kind of conduct ourselves
in a Parker our Pakia world was also important. So
I just thinkly remember the day that she took us
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out of cud a co propper and put us into
mainstream Coulder just the day school tomorrow, and I can
remember the kind of fear that that kind of baught up,
you know. And then she reminded my sister and I
that you have no trouble in reading the McDonald's, you
won't have any trouble moving into the school.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
What are you worried about?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
What wor about? That's probably the beginning, you know, that
that kind of that we can actually be in both worlds,
that's right, And then then then that's kind of translated
into all the opportunities that I have had being Kreas
New Zealand with the Mardi Land courts. Both both roles
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required you to be efficient in both Dal Mardy and
we're Dale Barker and.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Tell us through your your childhood through Kuppa Haka like
tell us a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So although Faaday's home for us, Marcia and I actually
were actually born in Australia and really really wanted to,
we could probably serve in the Australian Royal Navy if
I really really want to see that anything I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Serving in as if I've picked up a trombone, you're
serving as the buffet.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But and suddenly doing under the tutelage of uncle foundation
for us. Every every weekend, every every Saturday, every Sunday
we would go to practice and that was part of
our part of our life, and it was an activity
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that we did as a Finder unit and our father
still alive then back in the early nineties, and so
it was an activity that one kept us together as
a fun name, but also taught us, taught us our
our heritage, taught us our culture, who what's what's being
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away And then we moved back home to first then
Marcia was sent to Kuhana and then I was at
Birdale Bilingual Units and to put my the mo We
then went she was a foundation student at did Occupy
(24:41):
Fen thirty years. Yeah, then Mario Montmafo and those really
set in our our love, well, our culture. I look
who climber. We were there for a couple of terms
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and then we went to Honordahi Primary School.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So that was your first introduction to mainstream was honored
Ahi Primary So before that it was all.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Mai and then and then from honored Ahi Primary School,
that's where were our past and in year seven and
nineteen ninety eight I attended Pompeia Catholic College.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
And we're not even.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
But yeah, so that kind of sets intomation, the kind
of tradictory where I find myself now.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
And so you've found yourself now in the mahi that
you lead. You know a lot of it's around, you know,
to Tikanga and as well as that cultural competency inside
these kind of big mainstream spaces. And I guess growing
up in dal Parka and dalm Has you know, set
you on their course to be able to do that.
Do you feel like there's a genuine shift in the
spaces that you work in to really engage with Maudi,
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or are we still in a tick bok phase?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And I suppose to answer that everything's on the continue
me And so there are parts of the business that
I work for, and I work for a big company
called PwC Pros Waterhouse Scoopers, where global accounting firm. You
say it like, it's like I just work for this.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It's one of the leaguest global accounting firms in the world.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Building one of the biggest industry. Yes so, yes so.
I worked there as a national cultural lead and so
on a day to day kind of basis, I work
with people, whether they be in the counting space, whether
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they be in ordered, whether they be in risk services
or in consulting, working with organizations to better interact and
better put you know, better kind of put in place
things that connect them better to dal Mardi. Now you
asked about whether whether it's a tick box, is it
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genuine or not. I think the fact that they've established
a role kind of indicates their want to kind of
move in the space, and that's probably indicative of the
whole kind of sector. There is a want sometimes the
want you know to us could be you know, it
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is quite surface level, and so positions like mine is
to kind of challenge that that thinking and actually go, okay,
if this is what you want, let's let's understand that
that's first step of a long, a longer kind of long,
longer kind of journey. And so yeah, that's part of
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my mate. Sometimes you know, you have your ones, and
sometimes you kind of leave, leave the building, and I'm
kind of scratching my head like, oh gosh, what's the
what's the next kind of strategy to actually get over
the genuineness. And it's funny because I also want to
kind of, you know, put my hand up and kind
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of stick stick up for for those organizations by saying
they don't know what they don't know, yes, yes, And
so sometimes our job is to expose them to what
we to those things. And then you know, you know
when you're when you're doing it because their minds and
their hearts are one and they want to be they
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want to be part of it. They want to make
sure that they're doing right. They also want to move back,
move past that tickbox beautiful.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, well, let's go back a little bit into terms
of your career because it's been it's quite illustrious and
it's and nobody is and you you're brought up by
a woman who is a go getter as well, and
like our parents, they make sure we are there to
not do nothing. You are there to get up there
and put your your hand on the pulse of things
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and make it grow into something fabulous and then try
something else and move on whatever. Korea's New Zealand Marty
Land Court. Then you've got opportunity to go over to England.
And most people that go on an OI just go
for the fun and games.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
And have some fun.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And I'm not saying you didn't, I'm sure you did,
but you turned your two years of having an OI
into business and work and not just with anybody with
New Zealand House and the royal family.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
How did that all come about? Nati Ranana?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Just go into Akapa Haker practice, becoming the lead or
know of it, doing events around Europe?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
How did that all happen? Yeah? Yeah, So so I
go back to twenty fifteen. One of my good friends,
our friend Antoinette Hanshard, I rung up and said, I've
got a ticket to the finals of the Rugby World Cup.
Do you want to go? I said, bring me either, Adam,
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and so I said, oh, yes, you guys. All you
have to do is get to London. So I went
up for two and a half weeks, initially went to
the Rugby World Cup, met a whole lot of Maori
there living this beautiful life, and we got to perform
at the finals.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Just from a after calf holiday.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
After perform, well, you know one thing, especially with cup
of people, you should always pack your PUPI. Yeah, and
I shamelessly that. I wasn't say I bet you picked
your PUPI and POI because you're a po So that experience,
that two and a half a week experience kind of
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said a motion I want to move back there. I
came back for about six months, tiding up all my affairs,
and then went went to London and you know, I
went to I'll be poor more. I went to probably
try and escape from the Maldi life, because sometimes the responsibilities,
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especially in your late twenties, you know, you kind of think,
oh man, I'm already living a life of a co marta.
You have to go and like, don't get me wrong,
I've always you know, there was a part of me
that kind of wanted to get away from that a
little bit to explore life and then come back. And
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so I think that whole London experience came at a
good time. So went. But you know, as much as
you try and escape all those they have a fight,
they have a way of finding you. And so within
two or three months i'd i'd made myself noan and
(32:05):
become the clear core for the Koran for kids living and.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
They did a real good job escaping.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But you know it's that Marco Copa. I then was
made the chairperson of mar Now for those that don't
know what's it all about. So is a community of
mai and people who call New Zealand home a place
(32:37):
every every Wednesday night six thirty and you're most welcome
if you ever get there in London, go to New
Zealand House that at the moment at Kernard House at
the moment while New Zealand House is under construction.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
But.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Thea thea ar all and then that kind of said
and MESSI other opportunities. Uncle Bruce Simpson, who's lived there
for over thirty years, has a has a what do
(33:17):
you call it? A business which does team building exercises
with big corporate organizations across the UK, and so him
and Karl asked me to be a facilitator. Oh brilliant
(33:38):
teaching Hacker to wear organizations across the UK. But what
it what it did was kind of exposed me to
organizations right across the UK, right across Europe. There assistants
I went. I went about maybe four or five times
(33:58):
to America to do team building but use Hacker as
its foundation. So again there's two our paper from months
the very beginnings of knowing how to do but also
to teach it. Understanding men and Marto Queaking are our
way to it, you know, Dal Marti, Capumo, Dal Parker,
(34:21):
Me and Marto and being able to kind of build
that bridge between between those two worlds to then set
a foundation on people one loving tol Mardi understanding that
when the all Blacks do the Hacker, you know, and
(34:43):
that's they start to see the world in which we
as Mardi see the world. And that's probably my motto
in life is to actually, if I can, if I
can influence people to see the world in the way
that I see the world, and I know the world
to be, and I think world peace would just come
(35:04):
straight away.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
And I and you know, Corded or on.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Mum would would agree, well this, you know when we
look at our upbringing, that that is the reason why
we were dragged to them. That is the reason why
we were made to do money court it. That was
the reason why we were forced to stand up and
he and sing to our visitors who have just come
to our house.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Not even mothers do it in the house, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And we would roll our eyes every time. But may
then we go out to the world and it's sick
of nature. And so then Mom sits back in their
chair and the arm.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Chair and says killed.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, you know, and as adults we're able to look
back and say thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm just saving a little ull moment thinking about the
time when she made us to the Hucker Porphony. Just
two of the two men Hacker Porphy. Have you ever
seen it?
Speaker 10 (36:00):
He he.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
To you by.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I was a group of Japanese students like we would
have been still in primary school.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But go out there, this is you know, what do
you mean we just did one?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Yes, those experience, all those experiences.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Have have kind of exposed me to these awesome experiences.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
And then so much so.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Being with Martian and being able to sing for her
Majesty Queen Elizabeth at the Commonwealth Service in twenty eighteen
was probably one of the highlights. Being able to meet
all the senior royals just to be a representative of
Mary at Westminster abbe you know, you know club blay
(36:51):
or more more dry mayor. We have to acknowledge that
to be able to kind of represent our people and
to say hey, we're still here and we'll do this,
but you need to be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
All the experiences overseas and you're mohy, now, do you
think how would you be doing any of that if
Kapa Hacker wasn't part of your upbringing, what would you
be doing?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Coy would be still Australia.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Mate, got five kids, two different women, and like that's
probably not far from the truth, yea, And so yeah,
I get a little bit emotional because I think, Wow,
how blessed are we absolutely be able to live this
(37:50):
life with all these tongue that have been kind of
taught with us to us and then be able to
make a living and a good living. I won't lie
doing the stuff that has been that was set in
motion through all those experiences growing up and through all
(38:12):
those two men, and you're speaking of you know, the
whole My name is synonymous with Hart as well, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
And so to your.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
To poking, you know, Maha to a porta Maha, you.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Guys have to run your cabacator as well. You guys
have to you know, blaze the trail to Materatani. And
you guys have a massive reputation to uphold too, with
your guys wyata, with your guys singing.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
You know, how how are you balancing that with all
your mahy as well?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
On top of yeah, and sometimes you know, you get
you get your highest highs doing stuff for the wei,
doing stuff with your finite, being with your finite. It
also brings the lowest lows because sometimes in those leadership roles,
you know, can get quite lonely. And so I think
(39:07):
it's it's it's important and we've learnt or I know
I've learned, is that it's important to actually come up
for a breath sometimes. And so you know a lot
of people go, oh, you always go overseas, Oh you
always go here. Those are my those are my breath,
(39:27):
the breath. So that's we can have the energy to
actually give back to our fund. Don't get me wrong.
I love I love our group even though sometimes when
you're at one and a seven and you think, oh
my gosh, you've got four more one that kind of stuff,
(39:48):
and you know when you're in that you kind of
moan and groan and you kind of do it. But
there's something can you and you'd have the same with
your fun name and the and the money that you
do in the harp and and your finding. You know,
there's something in our hearts. And then Puku that says
(40:10):
and Maddy, we have to be cognizant that it is
important to come up for a breath. Yes, that is
very very true.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
And and I we've we've not We know each other
very very well and something you're right, and we are
all working people. We work for ourselves. We work in
different industries and stuff. How do you, though, define success
considering that back in the day at high school, when
we were at school, kapahaka was only a hobby. It
(40:40):
wasn't going to be a career. That would never lead
to you working in London, teaching hakka in Europe, getting
flown on a plane to Spain for a weekend to
do hakka. How do you then, knowing all of that,
to find your success.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I go back to that that Moto talked about and
drive to actually get people to see the world in
the way that we see the world. And so I
know when the lights turned on for people because they
start doing things or they you know, it's it's a
(41:16):
it's a shift in in the in their in their
way they're doing things. That's success to me implementing co
paper Madi approaches to how we welcome people at p
w C. Although it's the Learning and Development in People
(41:36):
and Culture team who carries that co propper, but the
fact that they fu every person who comes to p
that's success. When people are singing our songs or and
wanting to watch us and learn learn from that, that's success.
(42:00):
Being on the podcast, you know, I was just ready
for us, you know, and to be able to share
thoughts and insights. Absolutely. So I know it sounds a
bit but general, but those are those are the those
are the.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Only h'm I feel like if I asked questions, is
just asking about myself.
Speaker 7 (42:35):
While we're here that we wanted we did want to
take some liberties with you while you're here. You don't
throw you under the bus a little.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Bit, the old big the big bus. So we play
a game on on our show. You know, we have
a signal.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
And so we play a game called so you take
a Maori wata you know, a Mali wyata that you
will know, uh, and you park on the spot and
then we have to try and guess what.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
The is based on your English cupoo.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Okay, yeah, do you want.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
To google searchers.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
English?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
You google you are Mali water okay, so you can
see the lyrics and then you read it and you
translated in English on the spot and you just read.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
It if you say it out and we try and
guess what it is. Yes, you got one. There we go,
have you I think? So?
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Have you ready? Yes?
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Okay, all right, so we've thrown you, thrown you on
the spot a little bit.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
So we've challenged you to find a Maori song and
then park that song on the spot and then we
just got to buy your koopoo park try and guess
what that is.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
Yes, a little bit of a game, he's thinking.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Your voice of love touches me upon this home of
old everybody of our old. Welcome, oh welcome, Let us
look to the soldiers who have departed us. Oh the
sorrow and the love everybody of old New Zealand Welcome,
(44:27):
Oh welcome.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
I think I think that sounded nice, said, give me
your voice of love touches me right, pa, my.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Or all.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
Home of can we get it sung?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And then the English.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Touches me.
Speaker 10 (44:53):
As you go, your voice of love touches me upon
this herb of all toidle everybody, everybody of all tidlebody welcome.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Carry on as we look to the soldiers, have thirty
part EMPTYPARTI.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
The sor.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And the love and the love everybody, everybody of all tidle.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Wow, Oh wowcome big phyllis, wowcome.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
What away?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Good good? It's quite nice. Yes on that note alter
its dimitt bum squitched w u c the man himself native.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Well, we are so grateful to you to be part
of our show called it All, but more so all
the money you were doing, not in just our heir
or our community, but all across the country and people
around the world who know you as a Hoppa, the doer,
the go getter.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
So thank you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Any quarter of.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Just and.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Uh eat their ai to tongue or you know wayhi not.
Speaker 14 (46:56):
And mean absolutely mean so yeah, thank you, thank you
for having me hockey queen hockey quem me or.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
They hop everybody.
Speaker 15 (47:22):
Of Amazon Amazon a mighty you know what mass I mean.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
You come from the same nisther Yeah, the same since
we were kids, and I learned so much just then
that was literally so amazing.
Speaker 8 (47:47):
Same And they're like, he actually is pretty, is actually
real love.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It no, aspiring, really inspiring, cord it all and knowing
that the view that he sees the world is the
motto he lives in love and others should see that it.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Is truly like that.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
And now fun and and now how party really and
in the circles that we roll in a that we
genuinely want to want people to see through our lens
because our maori lens what we see such as everywhere. Yeah,
and so if anybody wants his glasses a new day
(48:31):
by why or not lover it's maga.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
All right?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Any week.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Or coordinated thought that why are not here? King Amana?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Who have listened today and who have joined our podcast,
We've got more exciting kids coming up.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Next week's Mary give us all teeth as to who's
the next week It's Black and Red, the Winny Cocker
Julian Julian Wilcox, the one of the early Julian and
Julia Show. Next week, You've got to stick around for
that one because he's a man best Julian Walcox.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Oh okay, tonight on the Hohoie, it's Julian Wilcox.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
And you know he actually talks like that off.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
That's just a normal voice.
Speaker 10 (49:19):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
I can't wait, Man Hockey.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
My hate Wiki Juama.
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This has been another podcast brought to you by our
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And I'm look Birth the Birdman and we cannot wait
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Where else would you rather be?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Caught it All?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
That is right, Cord it All is the word around
the streets, and it's here with us where you get
to learn a little bit of fun, a little bit
of tell you Mary, have some fun, be entertained, celebrating
our culture right here at but more importantly, be a
little bit more of the corred or tongue you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The cord you you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I don't know if you've got it yet, but hopefully
you do. We are also shamelessly that they talking so lot.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We it's all.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
About inspiring out.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I've got to our fino, our quia mat put them
not there, because if you want to beat somebody and.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You want to go somewhere to wake up, you wanna.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Be somebody and you want to go somewhere, you wake
up and.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Pay a.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Freaking lutely, because doing nothing is not an option. And
we've learned throughout a couple of episodes now that intertit
tokio and put annoyed to more. Two we've got some
fantastic role models of martyrdom of business and fashion of
of everything. So many more to come and today is
no different.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Today is no different.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And you're right, we've got heaps of guests uh and
the off from talking and that's only this season. So
we're hoping that we're getting more because we got so
much to offer up there. So my swipe up don't
go anywhere. Yeah, how the.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Cop oh, Masia, I'm excited for this one, the co papa.
Every week ere wiki, we bring you a great copuppet.
Then we celebrate and we focus on and today of
all days, Masia talk about getting greeted. There's another hopper
and the funny. We're talking about Mary and corporate roles.
We're talking about Mary doing things on a global scale.
(02:25):
We are talking about the one and only our money
Hitty today or.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Tonay Hooper is another funny today.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Yes, that's right into.
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Uh and all has many many talents are coming here
to the show today that you know, share all his
cord it all and maybe teach us a little bit
of todail too, while is here because men, brother, I
love the fact that Marsia, you get to interview your brother.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Yeh like first question, why are you here? Because the
question for me? The question for me.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
So we've had obviously celebrity gifts from talking. So if
you're interviewing your brother, does that mean you've made it?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
And I know right now question, I know right now.
He is like, we made it to our platform.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Majuama, congratulations there you've made It's so tough because he
wants he's being somebody and he's going somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He's woken up to pay attention because do you know
how mum.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
That is the copa bot or my k the hana kiyoto.
It is time for Kiki kickf co.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Ki Ki kick cafe.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That is right here.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We can we bring you a new way, a new
phrase to learn to deal maori and have some fun
with it. But more so doing things into the old
that we all do. We all go out for a
little lunch date to brunch date tamiw tamya and coffee.
Here in Old Tidor, we are some of the best
coffee caffeine drinkers in the world. So every week we
bring you a phrase as to how you can order
(03:58):
your favorite coffee.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Take Is it peasy? Cover girl? Is it peasy cover girl?
We're going with a soy.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Latte, not my favorite. You like the lattes but not soy.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
But I know so se soy was the original alternative milk.
There was milk and so like the only other one
at the time that was that, and everyone got that
was before almonds had nipples, correct, before you put like
little thing the teats on them to milk and almond.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So what is the soy soy.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Soy bean?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And it's again it's been soaked in water, but it
tastes like, in my opinion, like you're eating drinking cardboard milk.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
But it's a vibe.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
People like it. It's an alternative to milk, and we're
going for it. But let's take it away this time.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, you know, soy is like the first alternative really
for the coffee. Yeah, milk, it's probably like trim milk.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
That you have any milk in your house, there's got
a yellow or light blue capkin.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
And now what's the extra today as a soy milk latte?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Soy latte, and we're gonna take it away this time,
we're not going to dine and we're taking away.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Cap take away.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, okay, keep coming already Mary.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So if I'm gonna walk and say, hey girl, can
I please a soy latte takeaway?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes, you would say here right there, Peenie Marku Kenny, yes,
peenie simple right there, Peenie Marku, that's your I would
like a soy latte please, Well, you know I would
like a soy latte.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And then if you want to add to take away? Hey,
how do youatu?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Hey? Howat to go away?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
How do you is to carry it away?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Take it away?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Rat? The peenie Marku? Hey, horriatu?
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Rat? Peeni Marku? Hey, horriatu? Hey? How do you to? Hey?
How do I want a solate to take away? Yes?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And if they ask how big? Every time, going back
around with the little mediums, and.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Then you're like, I wanted more big coffee energy here and.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Then they say eleven dollars and you say, actually, why not?
That is our coffee for today? So laekick kick cafe
kick cafe caffee.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Mark Hey howatu hey?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
How that's right? That's how you order it.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
And now that you've had your coffee. We're a little
bit waking up in the team on our bodies warm.
We're ready to go, but we need to warm up
our hitting oddoor as well, which brings us to our
next section.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
It's we play a game and this morning is no
different or today is no different. Our game is cool.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
That's what they do.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
We have three celebrities in front of us. Could be Mary,
could be not. Preferably, we have three celebrities. We have
to describe who they are. We just have to guess
who the celebrity is. But each round gets harder and harder. Okay,
so the first round, many words as you want to describe.
This second round, we're going to go with five words only. Yeah,
(07:20):
let's go five words and then the last round.
Speaker 9 (07:25):
One word to describe the celebrity. Okay, alright, my Wayati okay, okay,
alrighty okay, fashion.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Kid all right minus reporter, radio TV host.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Co Papa, oh tamariki, oh hip funny like outgoing, Yes,
what's your name with Marti? Al right here, that's a
good guess. No, yes, well, Copapa is the biggest tvd
(08:27):
out of all of TV host.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
She is in that that program that's no longer on air.
Quite sad.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, another tvdohy. She sits in the middle, and she's
most times the only way in there that's sitting on
that panel.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Is it that Comedians?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
It that?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Koya if I ho.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
She is the anchor, she's the Mainanie Forbes.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
And she's also been on her kids program. That's why
I said. She's also been the host of the kids program,
Come one guys Ky program.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, that does. Connor, it was good.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
That was.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You shouldn't get five.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Connor Lloyd.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Yes, she was.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
She was a good Okay, here we go, uh here,
hey maya, here here.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
An actor hector away with long hair that wants to
be then my husband Jason.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Last round?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Stick to that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, no hyphens, no, no lela. Right here we go.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yes? Fifty dollars.
Speaker 10 (10:19):
Up.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I haven't got much for.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Edmund and I know I know very well the white hearing.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
What's the hundred Oh wow, we have hundred dollar bills?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Oh yeah, read read I don't know what like in
the Ratherford College and we signed yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Rather but the purple ones are vibe.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
I can.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
To eggs, eggs, James Rolston, I see.
Speaker 11 (11:09):
Eggs eggs, eggs tell you tomorrow, eggs pay back going
buddy sitting there like lady bloody.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's my favorite everyone, and that is white. It's time
to pour it over the red, according the God and.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
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Speaker 2 (12:25):
My heto poor ha oh so poor ha? Now is
this soe as in your bum?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh you know.
Speaker 12 (12:37):
Poor, not poo ha like a pooh bum. This is
poor as opposed to a po po or a poor
because you know, yeah, okay poor.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Found poor are.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Space surrounding area paper? Sure an open egg bum.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's freaking team.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Opening bum.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah it's not quite there. It's an open.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Behind ah to say your bum's open, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
What it translates to. But what it's trying to say
is someone that's being promiscuous.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Ah, you will look at me. Yeah, because you got
out of the three of us, you're clearly the like
not to n literally and metaphorically. Yeah, you got all excited.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
You put that on your grinder profile.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Hip hop an open behind being promiscuous. It is a
similarly used to make one chuckle when talking about somebody
was always out looking for a new sexual part.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Definitely made us chuckle.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You're still looking at even the production team and looking
at me the window.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Or other words, looked, yeah, you know, I'll take it.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
That's a yeah, yeah, someone that's promiscuous.
Speaker 13 (14:19):
So look at there flirting up the stairs, got it limping, poor,
I like it?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Ka, okay, make you scared?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Don't they ever need to have.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Promiscue? That is outcording?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Oh my, alright, the it's time here and it's time,
it is time. It is for our money, hitty.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I'm very excited about this mastery because this is another
hoopah and the funny the hoop hoopa.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Wow, they're here.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Are you ready to the.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Skirt? My name.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Wicked came up pretty much.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
What welcome to our podcast it all and before we
get into all and thank you for the fantastic tongue
today amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I just want to ask, because anyone else portugues.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
He brought some chocolate buttons, dairy milk. Gotta love the
Cadbury Easter eggs for both Phoenix and Luke.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then I get a dairy milk bunny.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Point here is it. It's full cream milk, not for milk,
and that is the point. I hope you enjoy it
and every piece, may you savor it and think of me.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Carry on, I'm going to eat it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
So he's brought this. He also has provided the set today.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
My toy and my beautiful norm.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
He's just been sitting on a be sitting on a
hard couch the last week because he's got no cushions.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Are you ok?
Speaker 10 (17:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
There's always alternate Our Manu Hittie mean a lot to
us on our show. Our show is always has a
copper and we like to celebrate that because it's all
about Mary doing great things and on smaller scales, but
making your smaller scale be the volume of what you do.
Before we get into who you are what you do.
We always a bit of research on our and because
(17:23):
you're also the brother the two nani or to a
kind of of Marsia we are.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I think it's just appropriate that she interviews you today.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Before we get into that. All right, I love her
carry on because then our start.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
In the in the container, so it doesn't there we
thank you, right, cut a fewer, cut a.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Fewer alternate Caine Harper, otherwise known as an As of.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Kato dissent.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
He is passionate about helping people see the world throughout
the Marii lens and the value and the value this
perspective can bring. Uh In his role, authentic works in
partnership with the man who could have leadership to deliver
Maori cultural expertise, expretise, oh my gosh, advice and guidance
(18:23):
that supports the development of cultural capability across all business units.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Before we get into our Q and A with you, Yes,
according to who are you? Where are you from? Yeah?
Killed on Koto and before I kind of go on,
I'm supposed to be here. That's why I was invit
(18:52):
not have your.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Home, uh n, my heart is.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Truly, it's truly and where where we grew up with
our our grandmother's people of Nati ho of with our mother. Yeah,
if she's she's probably set the foundations for us, and
(19:44):
so I'm sure that there will be a theme of
some of the corridor.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
She would also say not probably.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
She's watching going probably where did it all start for you?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Because we've known each other since we were kids, but
we're also for knowing it as well. But growing up
in Faraday and then going off to UNI and then going,
you know what, I'm going to try and travel the world.
But where did corporate life altany hoopa start from?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
In terms of schooling and going further? I think I
think I've kind of fallen into the corporate life. But
if I if I reflect back, where to your question
where did it start?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
For me?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's Copa Haka. Copa Haka has set the to our
Papa has set the foundation for the life that I
live now. Growing up, I thought everybody went to copy
you know, and I thought everybody learnt wayata. And so
that real love for your culture, for your girl, for
(20:48):
our history, for the way that we do things tikanga
and all that kind of stuff has always been something
that's fascinated me and probably fascinated me to an obsession
to that that kind of level, and so being able
to bring that into my working day life, I feel
(21:11):
like I've kind of hit the jackpots, you know.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And so when I've when I've gotten this opportunity to
actually be in the corporate world, coupled with my growing
up when Kapahaka and the Madai and all that kind
of stuff, our mother was very very keen on making
sure that we had exposure to both all both worlds.
(21:38):
So whilst our Mai Mai to put a Mary was important,
being in a being able to kind of conduct ourselves
in a Parker our Pakia world was also important. So
I just thinkly remember the day that she took us
(22:00):
out of cud a co propper and put us into
mainstream Coulder just the day school tomorrow, and I can
remember the kind of fear that that kind of baught up,
you know. And then she reminded my sister and I
that you have no trouble in reading the McDonald's, you
won't have any trouble moving into the school.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
What are you worried about?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
What wor about? That's probably the beginning, you know, that
that kind of that we can actually be in both worlds,
that's right, And then then then that's kind of translated
into all the opportunities that I have had being Kreas
New Zealand with the Mardi Land courts. Both both roles
(22:47):
required you to be efficient in both Dal Mardy and
we're Dale Barker and.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Tell us through your your childhood through Kuppa Haka like
tell us a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So although Faaday's home for us, Marcia and I actually
were actually born in Australia and really really wanted to,
we could probably serve in the Australian Royal Navy if
I really really want to see that anything I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Serving in as if I've picked up a trombone, you're
serving as the buffet.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But and suddenly doing under the tutelage of uncle foundation
for us. Every every weekend, every every Saturday, every Sunday
we would go to practice and that was part of
our part of our life, and it was an activity
(23:56):
that we did as a Finder unit and our father
still alive then back in the early nineties, and so
it was an activity that one kept us together as
a fun name, but also taught us, taught us our
our heritage, taught us our culture, who what's what's being
(24:17):
away And then we moved back home to first then
Marcia was sent to Kuhana and then I was at
Birdale Bilingual Units and to put my the mo We
then went she was a foundation student at did Occupy
(24:41):
Fen thirty years. Yeah, then Mario Montmafo and those really
set in our our love, well, our culture. I look
who climber. We were there for a couple of terms
(25:06):
and then we went to Honordahi Primary School.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So that was your first introduction to mainstream was honored
Ahi Primary So before that it was all.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Mai and then and then from honored Ahi Primary School,
that's where were our past and in year seven and
nineteen ninety eight I attended Pompeia Catholic College.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
And we're not even.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
But yeah, so that kind of sets intomation, the kind
of tradictory where I find myself now.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
And so you've found yourself now in the mahi that
you lead. You know a lot of it's around, you know,
to Tikanga and as well as that cultural competency inside
these kind of big mainstream spaces. And I guess growing
up in dal Parka and dalm Has you know, set
you on their course to be able to do that.
Do you feel like there's a genuine shift in the
spaces that you work in to really engage with Maudi,
(26:09):
or are we still in a tick bok phase?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And I suppose to answer that everything's on the continue
me And so there are parts of the business that
I work for, and I work for a big company
called PwC Pros Waterhouse Scoopers, where global accounting firm. You
say it like, it's like I just work for this.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It's one of the leaguest global accounting firms in the world.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Building one of the biggest industry. Yes so, yes so.
I worked there as a national cultural lead and so
on a day to day kind of basis, I work
with people, whether they be in the counting space, whether
(27:01):
they be in ordered, whether they be in risk services
or in consulting, working with organizations to better interact and
better put you know, better kind of put in place
things that connect them better to dal Mardi. Now you
asked about whether whether it's a tick box, is it
(27:24):
genuine or not. I think the fact that they've established
a role kind of indicates their want to kind of
move in the space, and that's probably indicative of the
whole kind of sector. There is a want sometimes the
want you know to us could be you know, it
(27:46):
is quite surface level, and so positions like mine is
to kind of challenge that that thinking and actually go, okay,
if this is what you want, let's let's understand that
that's first step of a long, a longer kind of long,
longer kind of journey. And so yeah, that's part of
(28:07):
my mate. Sometimes you know, you have your ones, and
sometimes you kind of leave, leave the building, and I'm
kind of scratching my head like, oh gosh, what's the
what's the next kind of strategy to actually get over
the genuineness. And it's funny because I also want to
kind of, you know, put my hand up and kind
(28:28):
of stick stick up for for those organizations by saying
they don't know what they don't know, yes, yes, And
so sometimes our job is to expose them to what
we to those things. And then you know, you know
when you're when you're doing it because their minds and
their hearts are one and they want to be they
(28:48):
want to be part of it. They want to make
sure that they're doing right. They also want to move back,
move past that tickbox beautiful.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, well, let's go back a little bit into terms
of your career because it's been it's quite illustrious and
it's and nobody is and you you're brought up by
a woman who is a go getter as well, and
like our parents, they make sure we are there to
not do nothing. You are there to get up there
and put your your hand on the pulse of things
(29:18):
and make it grow into something fabulous and then try
something else and move on whatever. Korea's New Zealand Marty
Land Court. Then you've got opportunity to go over to England.
And most people that go on an OI just go
for the fun and games.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
And have some fun.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And I'm not saying you didn't, I'm sure you did,
but you turned your two years of having an OI
into business and work and not just with anybody with
New Zealand House and the royal family.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
How did that all come about? Nati Ranana?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Just go into Akapa Haker practice, becoming the lead or
know of it, doing events around Europe?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
How did that all happen? Yeah? Yeah, So so I
go back to twenty fifteen. One of my good friends,
our friend Antoinette Hanshard, I rung up and said, I've
got a ticket to the finals of the Rugby World Cup.
Do you want to go? I said, bring me either, Adam,
(30:18):
and so I said, oh, yes, you guys. All you
have to do is get to London. So I went
up for two and a half weeks, initially went to
the Rugby World Cup, met a whole lot of Maori
there living this beautiful life, and we got to perform
at the finals.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Just from a after calf holiday.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
After perform, well, you know one thing, especially with cup
of people, you should always pack your PUPI. Yeah, and
I shamelessly that. I wasn't say I bet you picked
your PUPI and POI because you're a po So that experience,
that two and a half a week experience kind of
(30:59):
said a motion I want to move back there. I
came back for about six months, tiding up all my affairs,
and then went went to London and you know, I
went to I'll be poor more. I went to probably
try and escape from the Maldi life, because sometimes the responsibilities,
(31:24):
especially in your late twenties, you know, you kind of think,
oh man, I'm already living a life of a co marta.
You have to go and like, don't get me wrong,
I've always you know, there was a part of me
that kind of wanted to get away from that a
little bit to explore life and then come back. And
(31:45):
so I think that whole London experience came at a
good time. So went. But you know, as much as
you try and escape all those they have a fight,
they have a way of finding you. And so within
two or three months i'd i'd made myself noan and
(32:05):
become the clear core for the Koran for kids living and.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
They did a real good job escaping.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But you know it's that Marco Copa. I then was
made the chairperson of mar Now for those that don't
know what's it all about. So is a community of
mai and people who call New Zealand home a place
(32:37):
every every Wednesday night six thirty and you're most welcome
if you ever get there in London, go to New
Zealand House that at the moment at Kernard House at
the moment while New Zealand House is under construction.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
But.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Thea thea ar all and then that kind of said
and MESSI other opportunities. Uncle Bruce Simpson, who's lived there
for over thirty years, has a has a what do
(33:17):
you call it? A business which does team building exercises
with big corporate organizations across the UK, and so him
and Karl asked me to be a facilitator. Oh brilliant
(33:38):
teaching Hacker to wear organizations across the UK. But what
it what it did was kind of exposed me to
organizations right across the UK, right across Europe. There assistants
I went. I went about maybe four or five times
(33:58):
to America to do team building but use Hacker as
its foundation. So again there's two our paper from months
the very beginnings of knowing how to do but also
to teach it. Understanding men and Marto Queaking are our
way to it, you know, Dal Marti, Capumo, Dal Parker,
(34:21):
Me and Marto and being able to kind of build
that bridge between between those two worlds to then set
a foundation on people one loving tol Mardi understanding that
when the all Blacks do the Hacker, you know, and
(34:43):
that's they start to see the world in which we
as Mardi see the world. And that's probably my motto
in life is to actually, if I can, if I
can influence people to see the world in the way
that I see the world, and I know the world
to be, and I think world peace would just come
(35:04):
straight away.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
And I and you know, Corded or on.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Mum would would agree, well this, you know when we
look at our upbringing, that that is the reason why
we were dragged to them. That is the reason why
we were made to do money court it. That was
the reason why we were forced to stand up and
he and sing to our visitors who have just come
to our house.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Not even mothers do it in the house, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And we would roll our eyes every time. But may
then we go out to the world and it's sick
of nature. And so then Mom sits back in their
chair and the arm.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Chair and says killed.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, you know, and as adults we're able to look
back and say thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm just saving a little ull moment thinking about the
time when she made us to the Hucker Porphony. Just
two of the two men Hacker Porphy. Have you ever
seen it?
Speaker 10 (36:00):
He he.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
To you by.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I was a group of Japanese students like we would
have been still in primary school.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But go out there, this is you know, what do
you mean we just did one?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Yes, those experience, all those experiences.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Have have kind of exposed me to these awesome experiences.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
And then so much so.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Being with Martian and being able to sing for her
Majesty Queen Elizabeth at the Commonwealth Service in twenty eighteen
was probably one of the highlights. Being able to meet
all the senior royals just to be a representative of
Mary at Westminster abbe you know, you know club blay
(36:51):
or more more dry mayor. We have to acknowledge that
to be able to kind of represent our people and
to say hey, we're still here and we'll do this,
but you need to be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
All the experiences overseas and you're mohy, now, do you
think how would you be doing any of that if
Kapa Hacker wasn't part of your upbringing, what would you
be doing?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Coy would be still Australia.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Mate, got five kids, two different women, and like that's
probably not far from the truth, yea, And so yeah,
I get a little bit emotional because I think, Wow,
how blessed are we absolutely be able to live this
(37:50):
life with all these tongue that have been kind of
taught with us to us and then be able to
make a living and a good living. I won't lie
doing the stuff that has been that was set in
motion through all those experiences growing up and through all
(38:12):
those two men, and you're speaking of you know, the
whole My name is synonymous with Hart as well, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
And so to your.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
To poking, you know, Maha to a porta Maha, you.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Guys have to run your cabacator as well. You guys
have to you know, blaze the trail to Materatani. And
you guys have a massive reputation to uphold too, with
your guys wyata, with your guys singing.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
You know, how how are you balancing that with all
your mahy as well?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
On top of yeah, and sometimes you know, you get
you get your highest highs doing stuff for the wei,
doing stuff with your finite, being with your finite. It
also brings the lowest lows because sometimes in those leadership roles,
you know, can get quite lonely. And so I think
(39:07):
it's it's it's important and we've learnt or I know
I've learned, is that it's important to actually come up
for a breath sometimes. And so you know a lot
of people go, oh, you always go overseas, Oh you
always go here. Those are my those are my breath,
(39:27):
the breath. So that's we can have the energy to
actually give back to our fund. Don't get me wrong.
I love I love our group even though sometimes when
you're at one and a seven and you think, oh
my gosh, you've got four more one that kind of stuff,
(39:48):
and you know when you're in that you kind of
moan and groan and you kind of do it. But
there's something can you and you'd have the same with
your fun name and the and the money that you
do in the harp and and your finding. You know,
there's something in our hearts. And then Puku that says
(40:10):
and Maddy, we have to be cognizant that it is
important to come up for a breath. Yes, that is
very very true.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
And and I we've we've not We know each other
very very well and something you're right, and we are
all working people. We work for ourselves. We work in
different industries and stuff. How do you, though, define success
considering that back in the day at high school, when
we were at school, kapahaka was only a hobby. It
(40:40):
wasn't going to be a career. That would never lead
to you working in London, teaching hakka in Europe, getting
flown on a plane to Spain for a weekend to
do hakka. How do you then, knowing all of that,
to find your success.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I go back to that that Moto talked about and
drive to actually get people to see the world in
the way that we see the world. And so I
know when the lights turned on for people because they
start doing things or they you know, it's it's a
(41:16):
it's a shift in in the in their in their
way they're doing things. That's success to me implementing co
paper Madi approaches to how we welcome people at p
w C. Although it's the Learning and Development in People
(41:36):
and Culture team who carries that co propper, but the
fact that they fu every person who comes to p
that's success. When people are singing our songs or and
wanting to watch us and learn learn from that, that's success.
(42:00):
Being on the podcast, you know, I was just ready
for us, you know, and to be able to share
thoughts and insights. Absolutely. So I know it sounds a
bit but general, but those are those are the those
are the.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Only h'm I feel like if I asked questions, is
just asking about myself.
Speaker 7 (42:35):
While we're here that we wanted we did want to
take some liberties with you while you're here. You don't
throw you under the bus a little.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Bit, the old big the big bus. So we play
a game on on our show. You know, we have
a signal.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
And so we play a game called so you take
a Maori wata you know, a Mali wyata that you
will know, uh, and you park on the spot and
then we have to try and guess what.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
The is based on your English cupoo.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Okay, yeah, do you want.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
To google searchers.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
English?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
You google you are Mali water okay, so you can
see the lyrics and then you read it and you
translated in English on the spot and you just read.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
It if you say it out and we try and
guess what it is. Yes, you got one. There we go,
have you I think? So?
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Have you ready? Yes?
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Okay, all right, so we've thrown you, thrown you on
the spot a little bit.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
So we've challenged you to find a Maori song and
then park that song on the spot and then we
just got to buy your koopoo park try and guess
what that is.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
Yes, a little bit of a game, he's thinking.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Your voice of love touches me upon this home of
old everybody of our old. Welcome, oh welcome, Let us
look to the soldiers who have departed us. Oh the
sorrow and the love everybody of old New Zealand Welcome,
(44:27):
Oh welcome.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
I think I think that sounded nice, said, give me
your voice of love touches me right, pa, my.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Or all.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
Home of can we get it sung?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And then the English.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Touches me.
Speaker 10 (44:53):
As you go, your voice of love touches me upon
this herb of all toidle everybody, everybody of all tidlebody welcome.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Carry on as we look to the soldiers, have thirty
part EMPTYPARTI.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
The sor.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And the love and the love everybody, everybody of all tidle.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Wow, Oh wowcome big phyllis, wowcome.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
What away?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Good good? It's quite nice. Yes on that note alter
its dimitt bum squitched w u c the man himself native.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Well, we are so grateful to you to be part
of our show called it All, but more so all
the money you were doing, not in just our heir
or our community, but all across the country and people
around the world who know you as a Hoppa, the doer,
the go getter.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
So thank you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Any quarter of.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Just and.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Uh eat their ai to tongue or you know wayhi not.
Speaker 14 (46:56):
And mean absolutely mean so yeah, thank you, thank you
for having me hockey queen hockey quem me or.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
They hop everybody.
Speaker 15 (47:22):
Of Amazon Amazon a mighty you know what mass I mean.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
You come from the same nisther Yeah, the same since
we were kids, and I learned so much just then
that was literally so amazing.
Speaker 8 (47:47):
Same And they're like, he actually is pretty, is actually
real love.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It no, aspiring, really inspiring, cord it all and knowing
that the view that he sees the world is the
motto he lives in love and others should see that it.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Is truly like that.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
And now fun and and now how party really and
in the circles that we roll in a that we
genuinely want to want people to see through our lens
because our maori lens what we see such as everywhere. Yeah,
and so if anybody wants his glasses a new day
(48:31):
by why or not lover it's maga.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
All right?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Any week.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Or coordinated thought that why are not here? King Amana?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Who have listened today and who have joined our podcast,
We've got more exciting kids coming up.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
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Julian Julian Wilcox, the one of the early Julian and
Julia Show. Next week, You've got to stick around for
that one because he's a man best Julian Walcox.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Oh okay, tonight on the Hohoie, it's Julian Wilcox.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
And you know he actually talks like that off.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
That's just a normal voice.
Speaker 10 (49:19):
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