Full Show Podcast: 01 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number one nine five for Monday,
the first of September, in the Year.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Of Our Lord, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Great show today, as always, so many fantastic calls. Later on,
things get pretty hot and heavy around what people are
getting up to in the driverlest taxis in San Francisco. Yep,
let's just say it's the ground based version of.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
The My High Club.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, nicely said, it's the one foot High Club. You
can see what they did it as well.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, well, the problem is everyone can see them doing it,
so you might see why they want to do it.
But a lot of people, there's a lot of cameras
in there, a lot of stuff going on.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes, all right, enjoy.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
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All that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
You see bizill let you go asking me all right,
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Speaker 1 (01:07):
Big stories of big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Talk said, be welcome into the show really good of
your company is always on this Monday afternoon. I hope
you had a fantastic weekend whatever you did in this
beautiful country of ours. Gay man, get a tyler, get everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Before we get into whether all our young trades are
two waysed to turn up to work, I just want
to look, I want to run this past you. So
as an incident with the police on the way to
work this morning. Wow, And it involved a small chase, okay, right,
and some flashing sirens fantastic and some interesting information from
the police officer. So I was driving down a one

(01:52):
way and then the police officer in front of me
went through the orange light, and then I followed him
through the orange light right, and then he pulled over,
and then and then followed me and said and went
to you, Tom, you know obviously the lights flashing, you
have to pull over, right, But I can't pull over
because there's so many bike lanes around there was just

(02:15):
nowhere to pull over for such a long way. So
moving to indicate to him, Look, I can't pull over
in the middle of the.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Road, mate, Yah, make me break two laws here.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Maybe you've sort of you've jumped the gun on what
I'm saying, here, Tyler, thank you very much, your bias
is showing. So I had to signal term that I
was going around the corner blah blah blah. And then
I was around the corner, and I still no where
to stop because there's so many bike lanes. So I
eventually found like just a driveway they could pull into
into a parking packing station. And then I get out

(02:42):
of the car to go and talk to the police officer,
and the police officer says, get back in your car please,
And I said, oh, okay, how come I thought you're
supposed to get out of your car because in my
life I've always been told you get out.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Of the car. Yea, because you know it's polite.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
The police officer pull the over, you get out of
the car, they get out, and you meet them, than
making them come over. He goes for my safety, I
need you back in the car. Is that I didn't
know that was a new thing. Wow, Okay, yeah, but
I mean whatever he wants, if he wants me in
the car or not. I think in the States, the
plast definitely don't want you in the car because you
could have a.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Weapon, right.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, So I.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Always thought the plight thing in New Zealand was that
you get out of the car and then you go
over He was, he's only at a British accident. Maybe
you had done police work in England it was a
different thing. But I'd like to hear the answer on
that whether you're supposed to get out of your car.
And I always do it out of you know.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
In a few times being pulled outut of politeness.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Right yep.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
So anyway, time to get back in this car, in
my car and he said, do you know what you
did wrong? And I said no, and he goes, you
went through an orange light and I said, well, you
can go through orange lights. You went through, so I
just followed you through and he said yeah, but I
went through the orange light first. By the time you
went through the orange light, it was you had time
to stop. And I was like, oh, really that's okay.

(03:51):
But I'm just going through an orange light. It's a
very very marginal call, I would say. And look, I
love the police and I think they do a fantastic job.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
They do.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Bless them you put on you you do a very
tough job. But my immediate thought was, am I the
person that you really need to be going around paying
for this situation just going through an orange light.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Was there any stage so you're going through the orange light,
Was it any stage when you were on the intersection
that it flipped red? No, So there was plenty of
green left in that.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So we all know that the rule is that you
go through an orange light if you can't stop in time. Yes,
but you've got to say pedantic. He's just gone through.
I am probably you know, two seconds behind him, one two,
and we're driving at forty k because that's the speed
limit down there, right. I just the big, big scheme

(04:43):
of the problems that are happening in the world. Person
following you through an orange light when it was the
right for you to be through the orange light and
with all orange the whole time is really but you know.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
It feels like a margin call. Feels like a real
margin call. Was what was the fine?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I don't know, I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, right, but we had and that's a dramatic he was.
It was pleasant enough, Yeah, but it's interesting being followed
by a cop with the lights flashing.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
That is terrifying, saying I can't bull over, but there's
nowhere and you've got this guy going, I can't.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Just pull over in the middle of a stream of
traffic because then you're going to give me another bloody ticket.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Did he say anything about that?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
So it was probably three four hundred meters before I
could find somebody to stop.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
What a morning for you, mate, What a morning. But
if you think that was fear nine two nine two,
or if you think it was a bit march this.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Person, this text annoys me. You're wrong.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
One hundred percent of the states. You have to stay
in the car. You'll be shot if you get out.
That's exactly what I said. Don't text me and tell
me what I said.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
What's wrong? I've done drive rounds for documentaries and US cars.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, yeah, you have so been there.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
You stay in the car and then they get you
out of the car. Yeah, I've been involved in.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
It, right, Yeah, But when I just would have thought
it's polite.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, in New Zealand, you get out of the car. Yeah,
it's the key.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
We wait or is it nine two nine two?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
In America they touch the back and they come around
and they go get out of the car. That's right. Yeah, yeah,
you keep your hands down.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Hands on the steering wheel, you do what they tell
you to do. Absolutely, you two, but that is a
dramatic morning for your mate. And we'll hear on what
that fine was eventually, right on to today's show, off
to three o'clock Father's Day. What is the ultimate father's gift?
We know Sunday Father's Day, So we want to hear
from you. What do you want on Dad's Day?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, so what I want in Dad's Day? And I
think this is true of all fathers. We don't want
to fuss. It's not a big song and dance. We
maybe want a bit of breakfast. Maybe tell us that
you love us and let us be us for the day. Yep,
just let us go.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Let us be golf with friends, go to the pub
with friends.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Sounds pretty good kind of in a way.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Let us be not a dad for a day.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Just have a day completely to yourself outside of the family. Yes,
we love your lots.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Just do whatever you want the other day. That's what
fathers want for Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
There's twenty five things on this list that's come through
in this article, and I can't think of a see
a single thing that I can manage imagine any father wanting.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, a lot of those were just just gag gifts.
Weren't they just let me be?

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:59):
That is after three o'clock looking forward to that. After
two o'clock, Tesla has outlined the New Zealand introduction of
its flagship semi auto autonomous rather driving where they call
it full self driving supervised and it's been launched in
the US for about five years now. So Tesla self
driving technology will be rolled out incredibly soon. They just

(07:20):
haven't given an exact date, but it is coming fast
and anybody who has a Tesla will be able to
purchase that software. So this is going to be interesting,
the days of self driving cars coming to New Zealand.
What does that mean, Well, what it.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Means is very very soon there will be self driving
taxis more than likely we'll take a law change, but
very very soon you'll just be able to get into
the car. You look over Night Ride of Style, Michael
Knight situation kit situation, there's.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
No one driving the car.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Love it exciting, bring it on?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
But what does that mean for our economy? Yeah, you know,
there's a lot of people that make their money driving
in this country.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
That is after two o'clock, because right now, let's have
a chat about trying to find good staff who aren't
on the drink or other drugs on a weekend. So
a tradeing boss, he has claimed that drugs and alcohol
are the reason he can't find good staff despite offering
good pay. His name is Chris read It, which he
runs which create a concreting business, and he sees one
of the biggest challenges right now of running his business

(08:14):
is finding reliable workers. To quote him, he said, they
all like getting on the piss and the booger sugar
and certain things like that. I'm offering good money, but
I'm really struggling to find reliable guys. I'm not too
fussed about who the person is, as long as they
work hard and they don't turn up on a Monday
morning half cut.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
The term boger sugar is a red flag.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
A hell of a turn a phrase.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, so is this true? Is this true that we
can't find anyone that doesn't wasted or boozed up to
work for you?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Because I see a lot of people out and about.
I see a lot of people driving to work. I
see a lot of people in vans, I see a
lot of people in UT's a lot of young people
that seem to be.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Working very very hard.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
But are you struggling to find people that are up
to the task, are sober enough a drug free enough
to do the job you want them to do?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah? And are you testing your employees? You know, are you?
I mean they'll be interesting thing. And a small crew,
you know, small a small builder's crew.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, to be test drug testing them, wouldn't it particularly
on a Monday?

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you are a tredee? Is this
a true statement? At the moment, trying to find reliable workers?
Love to hear from you. Nine to niney two is
the text number. It is quarter past one.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
These people. If you get out of the car, the
police then think you're trying to hide something within the car.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, it's just polite to get out of the car.
And if the policeman tells you to get back in
the car, you do what they say. You do it absolutely,
But my whole life, you.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Get out of the car.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, and you stand by it so you can talk
to them, so they don't have to come over into
your space and lean into your window.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I just thought it was a key we thing that
you know, yeah, you just get out as a polite
thing to do. But nine two, nine two, it is
quarter past one. Beg very surely you're listening to Matt
and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks they'd be and.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
It is eighteen past one.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
There's a lot of people getting off topic here and
talking about the ticket I got for going through an
orange line.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I've come through. And there's a problem that we have in.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Society these day was people imagine things and then tell
you from their imagination what happened.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I was there, I know what happened. But this is interesting.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
As a police officer, I prefer that drivers stay in
the car. That way, they're more confined and I have
room to move. So that's that's changed because there's a
few police officers. So if you've you know what I've
been taught is wrong now. I think police officers want
you to stay in the car. So I was always
told by my dad when I was learning to drive,
and I've sent a lot as you when you pull

(10:43):
over out of polight and as you get up, you
close your door, and you stand by the car and
wait for them to come over and talk to you. Yeah,
so you're sort of talking to them on even terms
rather than having to lean into your car, that's right,
which seems just a bit rude.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Right.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
It was treating them with respect, right, that was the
whole element. And I've always done it as well, So
maybe it wasn't a thing that the times I have
been stopped is I'm the first one to jump out.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes, I mean, you don't jump out and run at
the more you start your stating. You just jump out,
close the door, and politely wait for them to come over.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Trying to make their job easier. That was the thinking
behind it. Yeah, so they don't have to come up
like some sort of serviant and yeah lean in until
you to wind down the window.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Knock on the window and you wind down the window.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
US officer. But apparently that's changed. Yeah, fascinating, So now
I know. Yeah, so I'll just wait in my car,
rudely and politely wait in my car and make them
come over and bend over and do all the work
for the chat.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, don't say you don't learn anything on this show.

Speaker 8 (11:34):
Right.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
We are also getting a lot of techs about this
trading who says that drugs and alcohol are the reason
he can't find staff despite offering some really good pay.
He said the biggest challenge for him at the moment
running his concrete business is finding reliable workers. To quote him,
he says they all like getting on the drink on
the weekend and other drugs as well, certain things like that.
He calls it booger sugar, which is a fantastic turn

(11:57):
of phrase. But is this true? Are you finding it
in the trades at the moment that reliable workers are
hard to find because they might not turn up on
a Monday, they take off of Friday. And if you
drug test them nine times out of ten, you have
to stand one of your guys down.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Weed is an issue. It's in the blood for thirty days,
but doesn't mean they had it at work. It's not
my issue when someone does what's that k and a
Friday night, but it comes up in random tests.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, that's from l.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I mean that is the big one when it comes
to cannabis. As we know, the drug testing it used
to be and if you are a drug testory, you
do it in your workplace. Love to hear from you
on oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, but it
stays in your system for some time, but whether you're
still inebriated.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Oh, that's the kidemene.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Ah, that's the key, right, Yeah, And this one here
says guys, when I was drug testing, we would test
a well known truck company monthly, randomly at different locations
around the country. Without a doubt there would be someone
who would come up with a unclean test and have

(13:04):
to be stood down. Essential for people to do it
on a regular if you work in the likes of trucking.
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Plenty of texts coming through on this one.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Never mind the booze and drugs. How about the adult
gamers that are up until three am most mornings, then
come to work tired, unfocused, yawning, and effective, claiming this
is their personal time and as none of your business.
This is way more dangerous than a hangover. That's an
interesting point, isn't it. If you're incredibly tired at work,
and you know, there's been studies about driving tired being
you know, akin to driving drunk, definitely, especially if you

(13:37):
fall asleep. But if safety is an issue at work,
and you're staying up all night gaming and then you're
nodding off behind the wheel of whatever thing you're driving,
or whatever you're doing, or whatever you know, dangerous tool
you're operating. Yeah, then that's a huge problem, is absolutely.
But how do you test for tiredness?

Speaker 8 (13:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Good point. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've
got young guys who are fatigued because they're up all
night gaming, but also on the drug and alcohol side
of things, are you like this trader? You just can't
find reliable workers anymore because they don't turn up on
Monday because I've had too much to drink on the weekend.
Really can never check with you. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty
two past one.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Putting the tough questions to the news speakers, the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Rist Lux is with us? Now I ask you one
more time. God, this is foreign biased. It is foreign biased.
Is today the day we are very close to Mike
Win eminently before we meet next time within a week.
So this week it could well be you're about to
put me up against a waller. Just no, I'm just
sick of asking the question.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm want to get it.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
I just the reason I asked the question, one more
week of this?

Speaker 9 (14:44):
Well, it can't be one more week because he said
it's this week exactly, So it is this week. I
want this country up and running and pulling every level
we can to make exactly easy.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
To do business.

Speaker 9 (14:54):
I'm going to be back tomorrow at six am the
Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News Talk.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Z B afternoon twenty five past one.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
This is an amusing text, Matt, did you just need
to clarify that driving while you're asleep is dangerous? Do
you have the stats to prove this? I know.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
What I was saying was that there are some studies
that say driving when you're tired and drowsy is up
there with driving drunk.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, if you're sober or drunk and you're asleep
at the will bad.

Speaker 10 (15:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, driving driving asleep is bad no matter what, one.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Hundred percent And just having a look at that research.
So this is from Harvard. Insufficient prior sleep to drive
in such as four to five hours of sleep can
double the crash risk compared to a well rested individual.
That's massive doubling your risk of crash. Yeah, for having
four to five hours before so bang on.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah you go, so that you know that.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Further to the point of the employer who said that
his work is turning up after gam until three thirty am,
is the real problem with him, not them turning up
drunk or drugged up.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Craig, welcome the show.

Speaker 11 (16:00):
Yeah, hey, guys, as usual, you raised another important issue.
I've been in construction for over forty years and I've
seen things change quite dramatically in the last sort of
probably ten years. But I would like to clarify something
a little bit. So with guys that have drugged on

(16:21):
the weekend, if they're smoking weheed or doing whatever they're doing,
but most of them, by the time they sort of
turn up to work on a Monday, aren't too bad.
It's the guys who are drinking boothe and then turn
out to work and they hangover. They are more of
an issue than the guys who maybe smoke wheed on
the weekend, even though it might even though obviously marijuana

(16:43):
or sharpen they are any tests that you're doing or
drug tests. But I'd rather work with a guy who
smoked wheed all night than a guy who drank all night,
you know, like the there's a real difference in sort
of their ability to work and how safe they are
to work with.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yees.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So if you have if you smoke marijuana, say twenty
four hours before, is there eventually to know how much
impediment because it stays in your system for quite a
long time, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
But yeah, but the impairment's probably gone.

Speaker 11 (17:18):
Yeah, it apparently it stays in your and the fat
in your body or something, And so that's sort of
why that story shows up. But the experience I've had
is really the last few years, it's PA is the
bigger issue, right, you know, that's where you get guys
who haven't been asleep all night, they've been playing PlayStation
or whatever, and then they turn up on site and
you can just tell that, you know, they shouldn't be

(17:41):
there like that, they're just not. The responses are slow.
They think they're on top of the game, but they're not.
And that concretor, I do feel exactly where he's coming from.

Speaker 12 (17:56):
It is the.

Speaker 11 (17:56):
Concrete industry is a little different to a lot of others.
So conquering guys, you're starting very early sometimes and working
very very late, whereas most trades are seven really you know,
seven o'clock till five o'clock kind of thing, whereas concrete
can be four o'clock palls that go right through till
you're not finishing. Concrete ll ten to eleven o'clock at night.

(18:18):
So it is a bit different, and I've had experience
on both sides of it, and it's sort of a
it's a bit of a mishmash. Like you need really
tough guys to lay concrete. Them not like your average trade.
Concrete is are a bit of a different breed, but

(18:40):
you do have to, you know, we've always some of
the best concrete layers. I've worked with the guys that
are absolutely alcoholics. But you've got to keep them under rain.
And that's part of a boss's job to a certain degree,
is laying down the rules. These are rules, are going
to work with me. If you can't work within them,
then you're gone. And I do get what he's saying.

(19:00):
It doesn't matter how much money you're offering. It's not
about money with these guys. It's more about leading from
the front a little bit. So if you're not sort
of laying down the rules and working with them. With concretors,
then you're not going to get a lot of respect
from them.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Have you ever done any testing on employees?

Speaker 11 (19:18):
Yes, they have.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, you have to.

Speaker 11 (19:20):
I mean that's that's a big part of it. You've
also got to try and make sure you're keeping everybody
safe that you're working with. So if you've got somebody
that's to me, it's it's guys that are on pe
and things that are going to be dangerous to work around.
So get somebody who you suspect is is doing that,
then you're definitely so hey, mate, we're going to give

(19:41):
your drug tests. Most of the time they'll just quit
because they don't want to be drug tested.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
So yeah, yeah, jump domin ahead of the time.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's interesting one, isn't that because you know, you talk
about methamphetamine and people think about just the you know,
the heightened you know, people can be angry, they're they're
they're messed up. But the other thing is, as you say, Craig,
is they're awake, so they're not getting the sleeping so
you know, they're artificially awake, and that's why they start
having delusion and not being able to understand what's going on.

Speaker 11 (20:13):
Yeah, the clarity is not there sometimes, and like I'm
not having a go having you go with anybody about this.
It's just a there's certain industries and obviously certain people
who have a tendency towards misbehaving more than others. So
I've tried really hard with guys that have been on
Peter get them to sort themselves out and get them

(20:33):
back to work and do what you can. And most
of the time you fail, but sometimes you actually do
get through, and there's in some bloody good guys that
just needed somebody to pull them up a little bit
and be a decent boss. So it does depends a
little bit on your attitude to it. But I do
think alcohol is actually the biggest issue. Like guys that

(20:57):
have drank twill four o'clock in the morning and you
pick them up at six o'clock.

Speaker 13 (21:01):
That way a little dangerous.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I've pat.

Speaker 11 (21:04):
Guys up from nightclubs, Guys like twenty fifteen, twenty years ago,
the second guys up from nightclub Scarne layer concrete slab,
you know.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah, yeah, well good on your Craig, think you if
you call that would have been a tough day for
those boys man getting picked up straight from the nightclub.
Granted you know twenty years ago and it's unsafe, but
you would have put them through an absolute ringer and
say you're never going to do this again.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Lad Are you telling me Tyler that you've never turned
up to work with a raging hangover and maybe a
little bit still in the system.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Once and I never did it again because it was
the worst day ever. Everybody, the boss knew it, and
he said, I'm going to make your life a living
how today, So you never do this again. I know
you've done it a few times.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
The way you perform on the show was just assume
you had a drinking problem.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
It is twenty eight to two. That's very good mate.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Do you have an issue finding good reliable workers because
they're all drinking and on drugs. Keen to hear from
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Speaker 4 (23:18):
Thank you very much, Susie. So we're talking about finding
reliable workers who aren't on the drink on the weekend
or turning up hungover or still with drugs in their system.
How hard is it for you, oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
This texasays, I challenge anyone to lay concrete all day
and not require a beer or three and a puff
to maintain their sanity.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's a tough job, as business says.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
To be fair bros and conquering, you need to be
cocked up to get through the day in that job,
don't you a few texts coming through there, So concorting
sounds like a tough job. I can't name the company, however,
it's large, to say the least. Whenever they need to
reduce the workforce to save off redundancy payments, they just
bring in the drug testers.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Quite smart. You got to say. It's one way to
do it.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, fellers, trades rub meth on their gums. Its keeps
you working through the day. It's an assy thing. It's
come here recently.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
And okay, all right, okay, good tonight, John mate. You're
a farmer, and you've had trouble finding good workers?

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Yeah, well, yes and no, we always find them, but
we get a lot of people apply for jobs that
we pretty much weed out at the start. We've also
taken on people that we've let go part way through
their term. And in one of the big issues I
have is illegal drug use. Because we're originally a big farm.

(24:34):
We run some pretty big gears and you've got to
be on the top of your game to hint to
drive it.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
And do you drug test all of your workers, John,
to make sure that they're okay to be operating that machinery.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
No, we don't because generally we don't have a lot
of stuff and generally you can pack there something wrong
and if you sit down and talk with them and
go okay, So on the weekends, what are you doing?
Are you using drugs? I have don't have a problem
a little bit of dope, but I do have a
problem to start getting into some of the heideous stuff

(25:08):
like are you using it? And if they give a
lie bit of a shifty answer, say all right, well
I'm going to drug test, and there's a previous call,
I said, most well, our experience has been that they go,
actually I don't want the job.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well that's pretty talient, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Yeah? Yeah, and so something that really worries me.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah. So with the guys who have cannabis, why is
that not not much of a worry for you?

Speaker 14 (25:33):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Because genuinely they're not going to be as inebriated. If
they they smoke on a weekend and they turn up
on Monday, you can still trust by that stage they'll
be okay to operate machinery.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Well, my experience with guys on cannabis is they just
get smiley and slapt and quiet as opposed to alcohol, which, yeah,
in my younger days, I should turn up with hangover.
I know what that does. We can generally work around that.
If they're just a bit smiley and quiet. It's when

(26:04):
they turn up and they are wiped up. Yeah, heaven't
sleep And I've never really had one get violent, but
I've been pretty close and I'm thinking more in our
wallshit situations for that. It's just something I don't want
to deal with and won't deal with.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Do you find with cannabis motivation is a problem. Though
they might be quiet and smiley but not really getting a.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Lot done absolutely making My experience with and I'm nearly retired,
so I've been in the game for a while. My
experience with cannabis is that they get smiley and quiet
and hair books or users don't have a lot of ambition, right,
They just yeah complacement, which is okay for them, and
so the problems getting worse. John definitely. We took on

(26:57):
a sixteen year old eighteen months ago. Part of when
they come on the place, because we supply accommodation, they
have to sign a contract as to what's done on
the farm, and part of that is will be no
illegal drugs at all. We've been there a month, was
turning up to work very hungover and half first still

(27:19):
a memory sixteen. I did a quarter's inspection and found
pretty plain evidence of drug use. So I would say,
if we advertise for a job, we probably get twenty
plus applicants will marry that down to one or two

(27:42):
Philly quickly.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Right, So can you get what you can tell pretty
quickly from just you know when you're in first meeting
that they're you know that they're going to go hard.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
They're not suitable for one reason or the other. And
a lot of it is the fact that they are
quite heavy to party till your heart.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think if you called John, Yeah, great, call.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Are you in a similar situation than John
that A lot of people applying for the jobs that
you've got to bailable just are on the drink and
the drugs on the weekend?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
This this, Hey, guys, how do we have so many
drug users in the midst of a cost of living
crisis and wastewater testing indicating our uses.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
On the rise inflation proof? I guess well, that's what
you prioritize in your budget.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Is one thing that drug addacts will do is they'll
heavenly prioritize the drugs over some more healthy stuff in
their life.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
It is nineteen to two, Taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Madd Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on madd Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks, it'd be.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I interviewed a guy for a job and he offered
me a meth pipe smoke at the end of the
interview generous. I guess he was looking for company who
didn't care about drug use. Safe to say he didn't
get the job. That's bold. It's very bold bold when
you read those things about how to nail a job interview,
how to get your CV right, how to turn up
and ask the right questions. You know, when they ask

(29:09):
you have you got any weaknesses? You go, yeah, yeah, Look,
if anything, I work too hard. I've never seen anyone say,
you know, offer them a puff on the glass, Barbie.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
You want to we smoke your smoke to seal the deal.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
So someone was saying for this text here so many
are coming through. Oh this was an interesting one. Wow.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
How to supporting these week as trades say they need
gear to get through the day. Thirty five years on
the tools, no gear necessary, yep. Concreted six years without
gear too, Yep. I have had both problems with young guys.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Some myths out the door, pretty mythy is out the
door pretty quickly, lazy except well, hi, others not on gear. Awesome.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
So someone else was texting and hey guys, basically whereas
it was asking, you know, what are the laws around
testing the people because they have you found then they
have been the text.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
There yeah just in that week Q there just under
the yep that one there.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Hi guys, can you please find out where employees stand
legally to warn staff that they will be drug tested.
We suspect one employeer need to do the this properly.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Also wished to.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Remain anonymous as they may be listening. So guidance for
workers and union officials regarding workplace drag and alcohol policies.
The focus with any drug or our cool testing should
always be on impairment. Drug testing itself does not improve
workplace safety. Testing captures use and not necessarily I'm going
to going to this how jump past that? It's just
some rubbish at the start Workers' rights workplace dragon olcol

(30:31):
testing requires a careful balance of conflicting interests. Workers have
the right to privacy, to be free from unlawful discrimination,
and to be healthy and safe in the workplace. Workers
have obligations to not engage in themselves or others, and
to follow all reasonable health and safety policies. Employees must
respect their rights and provide a healthy and safety workplace
when making decisions that impact health and safety. This includes

(30:51):
decisions on drug making policies. What does it get down
to the testing dragon Olcohol testing should capture actual impairment.
It should not be just detecting the present substance. Detection
shows that the substance was consumed, it does not say
whether the substance was impairing the worker. Case law tells
us that the less invasive, up to date tasting testing
technology to be used by employer drug and alcol testing
must be for genuine health safety reasons. Interesting random testing

(31:14):
may only be justified in safety sensitive roles. Right there,
it is safety census work must be agreed by the
employer workers in the union duly involves work that would
result in a serious incident of conduct while impaired.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Makes sense? Yeah, that is good info though, but you
look it up yourself online. Yep, E one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call Wally. You
are a truck driver, is that right?

Speaker 14 (31:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (31:37):
I just a relief drive at the moment. I retired
ten years ago, and then eight years ago they stuttering
me up there's another company and drivers got drug tests
on side of the road here, So they called me
into Callahan that was going to parmers enough. Yeah, yeah,

(32:00):
I've been getting quite a bit of work.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Eh, So, so just you cut out there for a
bit while you're getting work. Now you're being brought in
as a relief truck driver because the young guys are
testing for for drugs yep, right.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
And then and they know that you're you're a sober
driver and there's gonna be no problems there.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I'm yeah, right, okay, and so and so you were
happy to go back.

Speaker 15 (32:25):
Oh I didn't get the chance to say no, yeah,
if I'm tired or whatever, I'm just coming back or
something could coming. I soon got back on your forwards
from there.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
So did you see did you see a lot of
it back in the day before you before you retired
from it?

Speaker 15 (32:42):
It was a little bit, but I don't know the
guys who were probably taking just to keep stay awake,
thing around, reloading and coming back again. Yeah, and we
say that I can come to the next day, right.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
So that would put you in a pretty good position
if you're going for a job and say I don't
drink at all, I'm a tee totaler. That will put
you right up at the top of the stack for
truck driving.

Speaker 11 (33:05):
Yep, yeah, yep.

Speaker 15 (33:07):
Interesting drug tests twice in six years.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, come up, always come up clean, always come up clean. Yeah. Well,
good on you, Wally. I mean that would put you
in a good position as well. Do you get to
name your price?

Speaker 15 (33:22):
Yep, yep asp Yeah. Wow, they pay because they know
I'm going to get.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
The job done.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah. Well that's good on your Wally.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
That's that's interesting that you know you're massively up the
ranks and can and can demand what you want to
be paid because you're knowing to be a sober driver.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Very basic, the very limit exactly. He would be great
to hear from grabbed ebdenor on that rather than just
reading out random stuff from you know, government websites on
what the rights are around you know, testing it in
a workplace.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, we'll reach out to Gareth. Yeah, and so I
when you get an answer on that one. But we
can to hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We'll play some
messages and come back very shortly with more of your stories.
It is eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons News.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
TALKSB news talks AB so our concretor has claim drugs
and alcohol for the reason he can't find a good
staff despite offering good money. Are you facing that situation?
I EATEE hundred eighty ten eighty to number to call.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Drugs are far cheaper than ever is the main issue,
especially compared to twenty years ago one thousand dollars per
gram of meth back in the day to under three
hundred hour weed two hundred and fifty dollars per oz,
which is per ounce, which is as same as what
it was twenty years ago. Not even taking inflation into consideration,
alcohol is dead, sir. Looks like the cost of living
crisis asn't heading the meth world inflation proof Glenn?

Speaker 4 (34:53):
How are you?

Speaker 14 (34:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Good? Thanks?

Speaker 7 (34:56):
So?

Speaker 8 (34:56):
I like good.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
So.

Speaker 8 (34:58):
We were large scale employers in a retail business. We
had over three hundred people working with us. We put
on a drug and alcohol rebel at program and pre
employment drug testing and random drug testing. Once we got
the random drug testing and we saw our serious harm

(35:19):
accidents reduced by ninety percent. Our people were far more
engaged and our productivity lifted significantly. Did you lose some
employees with that, We didn't lose any because of the
testing when we brought it in. We graduated it. So

(35:40):
we had the drug and alcohol policy. First, we supported
the people that had problems with counseling and getting them
off the drugs and their families as well, and we
were able to significantly help a number of people there.
And then when we had the pre employment testing and

(36:03):
it just cleaned the stream of people coming to work
of the people that wants to come and work with
us increased.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
So what did you have to go through to start
random drug testing at work? So you announced the policy?
Did you bring in professionals to do it? You know,
what's the process of bringing that into a company.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
So we were the first thing we did was announce
the policy, and we did that with a drug and
alcohol counselor at staff meetings where staff were able to
bring their families along as well. So we announced that.
We went through that process. The next stage we brought
in was the pre employment testing and that was that
was relatively simple to bring in because it was merely

(36:47):
an advertisement that in the ad we would say you
would need to pass a drug screen screening test to
gain employment.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
With us.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
That that alone cleaned out a lot of people from
coming In the next part, after we had that in,
we were we were drug testing for cause. So if
there was a setreous harm accident or incident, or or
a health and safety incident, we were drugged, we would
suggest that we were going to do a drug test.
If that person failed that drug test, we then provide

(37:20):
support to help them get off the drugs. If they
failed again, then we didn't. It didn't become a disciplinary
issue until such time as it was causing a hazard
for others. But then once we got through all of that,
we just got to the stage of introducing random blood test,

(37:40):
random drug testing, and we did it from from the
top to the bottom, every single person. I mean, as
a director, I was drug tested about nine times. Yep, lucky, lucky,
but it was truly random. And what it meant was that,

(38:01):
as I say, a health and safety record significantly improved.
People were far more were engaged, we had a much
where environment as a result.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Sorry, Glenn, we've just got to jump out there and
go to the news. I thank you for your call.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Interesting, Yeah, what a great call. We're going to carry
this on after two o'clock, so love to hear from you.
A concrete boss has said that drugs and alcohol for
the reason he can't find staff. Is that a situation
you're facing right now as a trade e O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. News and
sports and weather coming up very fast. Stay right here.

(38:36):
We're going to carry this on in a few minutes.
It is three minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into
the program. It is seven past two now, just before
we get back into the conversation about drugged ut workers.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
So earlier in the show is talking about a stoat
and I said it was a very good looking stoat
that my like like sort of a brad pity sort
of alpha stoat that looked like if there was a
movie that they needed stoat in it, then that was
the hero.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
It would be this stoat, right, Yeah, And I told
you that.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I told everyone that I put a picture up on
maheathan z which is my Instagram on the story, so
people can if they if they wanted to check that out,
they could go and have a lock Yep, I think
it was a weasel, So I've got to walk back
my comments. I think the reason why it was such
a good looking heroics sort of leading man stoat as
it's actually a weasel.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Ah right, I mean a fear it.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah, sorry, I fear it.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
So if you go there, you'll have to You'll have
to flick through a bunch of pictures of my dog
Colin sleeping on his new bed.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Which is lovely. That's really nice.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
They're talking about cost of living, pricess and inflation. The
bed I got for my Colin. My dog Colin just
nineteen ninety five, ok Martin.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
He loves it.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Wor Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
But then you flicked through a few punishing pictures of
my dog and you'll get to this stoat, which I'm
absolutely positive as a fear it now, So I'm but
humiliated by that.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Why you have changed and said or is it a fearet?
I've got some ferre effects for you here if you want. Okay,
so a ferret larger and stockier, so you know the
brad pets, Yes, with adults weighing up to one point
three kilos, So that's a good you know, that's a
good size of merits.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I've made a fool of myself again here because I've
just said.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I've upgraded this stoat. So a good looking stoat is
a ferret. Yeah, like a powerful, big muscular stoat is
a ferret. You don't get a stocky stoat.

Speaker 16 (40:28):
But there we go.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Good to clarify that, Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
So anyway, just to finish off, that ferret was very
good at dealing with his rabbit population down there in
central Taga.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yeah, and nobody said it wasn't good looking. So yeah, fantastic,
right right back to this discussion we're having.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
So put that key issue behind us and move on
to this other one.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Done and dust. This is a key issue. So a
concreteor he has claimed drugs and alcohol for the reason
he can't find good, reliable staff. This is the quote
from him. He said they all like getting on the
person on the weekend and the booger sugar, the rec
quote and certain things like that. So is that really
true out there? And it appears it is for a
lot of people that are struggling to find workers.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, the sixth is my son twenty two. This is
Tammy always lands the digger jobs at the dairy factory
as his boss always knows he will pass the drug tests.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Proud mum.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, so if you know, you're gonna be pushed towards
higher things, if you're known to be the sober guy. Hey, guys,
I was working in the late eighties nineties and there
were a lot of people on weed. But we were
a different breed back then. We worked hard and we
were safe people. Right, Okay, yes, this is an interesting
text as well. Come on, this is stupid. It depends
who you are. I can work hungover fine, others can't.
I'm a landscaper telling you. I'm telling you now.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
My whole crew are stoned or hungover most days. I
have two boys. They are like me.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I smoke with the boys on the job, escalating tight
squad would be crazy if I ping them for what
I do. We've cracked beers before lunch and still got
the job done. We've had if all accidents. This is
just a beat up. It's how you do the job,
not what you were on.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
When you do the job. Love the show.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, that's all of it. I mean, is that integrity
that it's he's you know, Johnny doing what the other
boys are doing.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Anyway, has it integrity to crack beers before lunch?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Maybe not for the clients. I mean, hell of an
admission to make.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
If you come around to you know, you know, we
know Eve employed this landscape company. You come around, it's
eleven fifteen am and they're cracking the beers, having a
couple of doughbros.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Are you fine if they've got enough work done when
you come back round at five?

Speaker 4 (42:24):
If it looks good, yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is they've had they've had if all accidents, so
it's ages they've had some. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you have in
trouble finding good workers because you think they are on
drugs and you do drug testing in your workplace. We'd
love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
As an alcohol drug worker myself, I was asked to
be tested as someone accused me of using myth So
they are they a worker that's on alcohol and drugs
or someone that looks into the alcoholic drugs? I was
tested as someone accused me of being on myth. I
said to them, sure, but you must test all staff.
I had no issue with being tested, but there was
a lot of staff that were rigid cannabis users, probably

(43:04):
half the organization. It was common knowledge amongst staff and management,
A safety say. I never needed to take the test.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Far around.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
I wonder what organization that was. Now, Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call taking your
stories on this one? It is eleven past two. Back
very surely?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Is it hard to find workers in New Zealand who
are not wasted on booze and the nose candy as
this guy has suggested?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
For a good afternoon tu fourteen past two. Plenty of
texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
This is on another issue around the stoat and the
ferret pounds for pound, which one's tougher stoats.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Ferrets or weasels.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
It's a great question.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I would say stoats ferrets, then weasels. I'd say weasels
are tougher than ferrets, and ferrets are tougher than stoats.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
We're going to look into that and I find an
answer on that one.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, that is a great question, but it's a sad question.
It's not really what we're focusing on. Hi, guys, Class
five truck. And I think the drug and alcohol testing
is great. Makes me feel safer on the roads. The
young guys these days keep getting busted. Seems some youth
don't care. Other issue is so many foreign drivers end
up on the roads that don't fully understand our road rules.
A pretty dangerous feeling. Good to know that people aren't

(44:23):
wasted as well. That's from Gazer.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (44:27):
Jeff.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
What's your take on this.

Speaker 7 (44:30):
I might have thought about drugs and alcohol made I'll
tell you what. I worked an orphand in the eighties
on several construction jobs and alcohol and drug became a
big problem. Pletcher's bought a van on and they were
drug testing and alcohol testing. If you went over, you

(44:54):
were saying home, come back in a week's time. If
you did it again, you're fired.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
You're down the road, which is a good thing.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Absolutely, And so how long ago was that, Jeff Well,
I mentioned they're still probably doing something similar now.

Speaker 7 (45:09):
Yeah, And it wasn't just there. It was main Seal Construction.
That's the company that went under. But they were having
major problems. And I was working on the own who
Who Police station and that was a problem that you know,
the young guys were coming to work, you know that

(45:30):
they were just in fup on Disneyland, and but that
one of flences was bad.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
It was really bad.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
I never seen anything like it because I didn't know
all about this stuff until when I worked on reconstruction jobs.
So when you sign a contract now, I'm not building
now because of my age, but if you sign any
kind of a contract that says do you object or

(46:00):
are you agreeable to have a drug and alcohol tests?
And I was put this, of course i am because
I don't have that problem.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Thanks for you cool, Jeff, you're pretty brazen to be. Yeah,
you know, building the police station when you're wasted on drunks.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
That's a hell of a power move.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
This sounds like you should be drug testing your callers.
I run a big renovations company. None of my guys
drink or do drugs. We always get the job done properly,
on budget and on time. It took me a long
time to put this team together.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Drugs.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Drugs mean falling drink drunks, fall off ladders, and crackhead
steal tools to sell for drugs of sex several. Yeah,
I mean, what's that saying? Never go into business with
a glass barbecue enthusiasm.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, that's a good, good advice that one kiddo. Guys
I used to drive trucks. Also, medium dependent drug user,
only ever use speed amphetamine or dixie am fetamine as
a tool to stay awake, not actually get high. I
drove line hall units all over New Zealand for ten
plus years and never failed to drug test because you

(47:04):
can peek class as out in twenty four hours. All
the dope smokers got smashed when the drug van came
to site. The scariest part is, though, is you'll always
find some kiwi butler who is just drinking five hundred
mil versus smoking siggi's and out working and outperforming all
the meth and amphetamine users out there, right, had some

(47:24):
good inside and knowledge.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Do the old trucker speed situation? Yeah, you who are
the rumors?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
A few years ago I noticed some of the road
crew that we're revealing resealing the road. I guess it's
he's outside my real property having a doobie behind my hedge,
I went out with one of my own I ended
up getting my whole driveway tars sealed for a bag
of great deal.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Smart working Henry, Yeah, good work.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
That's story out of Twisted its Tale.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Yeah yeah, it's a win win situation. A right, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Are you like this concrete who is struggling to find
good reliable staff because they're all on the drink and drugs,
really keen to hear from you and coming up very
shortly as well. We are going to have a chat
to Gareth Abden, or employment law expert and friend of
the show. There's a few questions come, I mean two

(48:09):
are nine to ninety two about drug testing, so we'll
put those to him.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
How would you fail an alcohol tests?

Speaker 14 (48:14):
Is?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
How much too much? Having drinks over the weekend? Would
you fail an our contest on Monday? Well, I mean
if you're if you're not drunk, then you can't fail
the alcohol test, right, yeah, so it leaves your system
a lot quicker than the cannabis does.

Speaker 16 (48:25):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, but Gareth Abdnor is up next. It
is nineteen past two.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on us talk ZV for a good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
It is twenty one past two. So there's been a
heck of a lot of questions come through on the
phone and on our text machine about the legal ramifications
of drug tests and it works. So Gareth ab Denoor
he is an expert in employment law and director at
abden Or Law, friend of the show, and he is
back with us. Gareth, very good afternoon to you, Gareth.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So, if you are a company and you think that
you know you're an employer, and you think that some
of your workers may be drug and paired, what can
you do? Can you just spring a test on them?
Or is there a process leading up to it?

Speaker 10 (49:17):
Yeah, as always, there's definitely a process, and the first
step is that the employer really needs to have a
drug testing policy and ideally some provisions in the employment
agreement that gives them the.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Right to drug test.

Speaker 10 (49:34):
Those drug tests can either be on a random basis
or if they have cause. And what that means is
if you see someone behaving strangely, or they have an
accident and the circumstances but weird. Then that gives you
the ability to test them.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
What rights does the worker have when it comes to
drug testing? Can you know, can you reject a drug test?

Speaker 10 (50:01):
There you can refuse to take the drug test? Of course,
I always say that, you know, we have lots of choices,
but they're potentially consequences to those choices. And so if
the employment agreement provides for drug testing, or there's a
policy that provides for drug testing, and you refuse to

(50:23):
take the test, then often the employer can they can
make decisions based on your refusal. A lot of employment
agreements actually say that refusing to take the test is
itself grounds for disinary actions. So might be a case

(50:44):
of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
So if you're an employer, you should and you're worried
about this, you should have it in the employment contract,
you know, before for people get on site, what about
the type of test? Because someone might be like, you know,
I don't mind being tested, but I don't really feel
like peeing into something, you know, can you swap me?

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (51:06):
I mean this is often covered in the drug testing
policy as well. What I generally say to clients has
followed best practice. It's amazing how pretty robust individuals become
very shy when it comes to drug testing, especially when
they think they're going to return a non negative key.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
So certainly you can't.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
You know, you get what's it called state rights?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Right, that's right?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Even.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Yeah, And when it comes to random testing, Garris, how
random is random? Does it have to be fully random?
Or our employers with the right to say this is
random drug testing, but we're coming after Priva because Treva
always looks a bit often.

Speaker 10 (51:52):
Well, technically that's not random. I'm not going to pretend
that employers don't sometimes say that it's random when it's not.
Of course, you have to prove that, you have to,
you have to disprove that it's random. But as I
said before, much better to have a robust policy, have

(52:14):
robust provisions in the employment agreement, and then if you've
got suspicions, you don't need to pretend it's random.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
How fast should you go? Should you do?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Everyone from the top down, so if you're you're the boss,
you should all be put into the lottery for the
random testing.

Speaker 10 (52:33):
Yeah, that's a that's an interesting one. I've I've never
been asked that before. I think it really comes down
to the nature of the jobs. If you're working in
a safety sensitive role, I think it's you know, it's
pretty fair enough that you're going to be drug tested.

(52:54):
We don't want anyone operating heavy machinery or working at
the airport or anything like that. You know, working in
a job where if you don't pay attention, you might
get hurt, or you or someone else might get sued.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
To find that though, because any given job there is risks.
I mean, you can have someone climbing up to get
a stapler from the stationary cupboard and if they're drunken
aspect of breakup, yeah, so can any kinds of employees
put a drug test in place or that you have
to say, you have to show that this is this
is a reasonably dangerous workplace where people can get injured

(53:33):
or you know, you can induce yourself for others before
you can do it.

Speaker 10 (53:35):
I think it's far easier to justify in a safety
sensitive role, as you say, you could hurt yourself doing anything.
But I generally look at it and I go, would
an ordinary person think this was a safety sensitive role.
You know, are you using sharp implements, heavy machinery, something

(53:57):
like that.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
What are the consequences of.

Speaker 10 (54:01):
Someone not really being up to it while they're working,
And that's what we need to look at. What lawyers
sometimes get wrong is it's not the fact that someone's
used drugs or uses drugs. Is it having an impact
on them at work? Or is there a risk of

(54:21):
that having an impact on meme at work? So we're
not the moral police, but it needs to actually be
a risk.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Now, it's an interesting one with alcohols are very different
from other drugs, so you can be pretty hungover and
maybe you know, I mean, you're probably not going to
detect that. Can can an employer go, well, I'm this
person's clearly turning up to work hungover the day after day,
but I can't test for it. So what recourse does

(54:51):
the you know, what can an employer do under that circumstance.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, I think it's a matter of degree.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
You know, I think many people in our society have
turned up to work after maybe having a one two
many at a party or on the weekend or something
like that. But if what an employer sees a pattern
of someone being really unwell, being really hung over on

(55:18):
a regular basis. That could point to, you know, a
dependency problem. It could also be an indicator of other
issues that the employer should be looking into. If it's
just a one off and someone so cripped that they
shouldn't be at work and shouldn't be working, well, you know,

(55:39):
it might be that you get sent home for a
sick day.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I remember one, particularly a New Year's Day when I
was forced to work at Real Groovy Records in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
I didn't get much work done.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I spent most of the day with my head pressed
against the toilet bowl, just trying to sort of stalize.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
That sounds like a sick name should have been a
sick day.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Well, there was definitely second valve in that. And finally,
what I mean one of the big problems. You know,
we talk about drag and payment, alcohol payment, but what
about just tiredness And a lot of people have been
texting and saying that their employees are playing video games
till four am and then coming to work and just
being too tired to work.

Speaker 7 (56:16):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I mean, what do you do about that?

Speaker 10 (56:19):
Well, that's potentially a disciplinary issue and it's potentially a
performance issue. And you know, you get paid to carry
out a role, to do a job. If if you
choose to do things in your own time, that means
you can't do your job. As I said before, there

(56:41):
may be consequences to those choices. So you don't have
to be taking drugs or be hungover for it to
be an issue, and there are things that employers can do.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah, Gareth, really good to get you on and get
your expertise. Thanks very much for having a chat with us,
My pleasure, and we'll catch you again on Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Have you been drinking today or been on anything in
the last forty eight hours or is this to random
to do this vivil test right now?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Gareth, Well, I'm possibly.

Speaker 10 (57:13):
I couldn't possibly disclose that to myself because then I'd.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Have to.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Reaction.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, smart, you've been nearable.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Self employed random drug testing is it? It's a whole
other thing.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Yeah, thank you very much, And just a reminder, Gareth,
we'll be back with us on Wednesday afternoon at three
point thirty taking all your calls and questions on anything
to do with employment. That was a great discussion.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, it's good time.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Yeah, I had a lot of feedback, shocking, shocking stuff.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
And if you could just take this little poddle tyler
and take that into the other room.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
And I'm going to give Gareth another call back. All right?
Coming up after the headlines, let's have a chat about
self driving cars. They are coming to New Zealand. Test
laers outlined the introduction of their flagship tear of their
semi autonomous driving software. This is exciting for some, terrifying
for others.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, and so when this happens, this isn't there yet,
But then driverless taxis you have absolutely no one in
the car but the passenger and absolutely, you know, sometimes
absolutely no one in the car when it's going to
pick up the passenger, as they have in a number
of states in the United States.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
That will be coming to New Zealand, won't it very soon?
So how do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Have you been in one of these driver's cars over
in California is the most famous place that they have
in And how do you feel about it?

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? It is twenty nine to three.

Speaker 14 (58:35):
You talk said the headlines with Blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble confirmation. Overseas and vestas
will be allowed to buy a home in New Zealand
if they invest a minimum of five million dollars into
the country. The coalition has agreed to people with a
Golden visa will be allowed to buy or build one
home with a minimum value of five million dollars. That

(58:57):
equates to less than one percent of Kiwi homes. An
elderly woman with breast cancer who went into surgery for
a misectomy died from a brain injury after a breathing
chin who was mistakenly put into.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Her esophagus consuming.

Speaker 14 (59:12):
New Zealand says the large fine handed out to Jetstar sends.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
A strong message.

Speaker 14 (59:16):
Jetstar has been fined more than two million dollars for
misleading nearly one hundred thousand customers about their compensation rights.
It's make or break for our smaller airlines as the
government pushes to keep them going. It's backing at risk
regional air routes with up to thirty million dollars and
loans from the Regional Infrastructure Fund. New Zealand's second largest

(59:38):
dairy company, Open Country, has finalized a deal to buy
another dairy company, Marka, an Australian company, used workers' laptops
to record audio of them working from home. Could it
happen here? Find out more at Enzi Herald Premium.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Now back to Mattz and Tyler. Thank you very much, Susi.
Just before we get the self driving cars just announces.
Susie mentioned in the headlines there that the government is
loosening the foreign buyer band. We've been waiting for this
for some time. So the Prime Minister said today that
foreign buying with a golden visa would soon be able
to buy homes with five million dollars or more without

(01:00:13):
approval from the Overseas Investment Office.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
That's really high five million dollars or more.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
How many homes there like that? I mean surely the
two and a half million, three million, I mean that's
not affecting first home buyers, is it, Which is really
what we worry about. If people want to fight out
around over three million dollars then then go through it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
That seems crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It's a high three shold And maybe in Auckland that
makes sense, or maybe in Queenstown. But don't we want
people to move to Dunedin and the cargol don't want
people to be buying houses in places. Shouldn't that be?
Is it just a blanket five million nationwide? Because look
I'm from Dunedin. Five million dollars get your a lot
of house in duned and will get you down to
Abby to get your stables, horses, will get your full

(01:00:58):
You'll be able to get full service.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
You're able to get full.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Made a suburb.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
You'd be able to run a full down to Abby
for five million dollars exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Well, one roof is actually running numbers on how many
properties are worth over five million dollars in some of
the regions, as you can imagine Auckland a fear whack
three hundred three thousand, three hundred and twenty in Auckland City.
But then I go down the list Canterbury christ Judge
one hundred and fifty three, Welling hundred and fifty three
in christ Church. Yeah, so okay, come on right where
use that's a lifestyle block? There wasn't a Wellington. How

(01:01:28):
many homes and Wellington, Wellington's a big place. How many
drecon over the five million mark five hundred na way
less way less? Okay one a little bit more than that,
thirty nine, just thirty nine and Wellington according to one roof.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
So we don't want these people buying homes in our capital.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
There's only one, yeah, exactly, there's only thirty nine of
them in the whole of them thirty nine yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I went for my stupid guests one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
And I was quickly trying to find Dunedin and I
can't actually find a need, and so does Deneeda. They
have a five million dollar property, Plust have have one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That just seems like you're trying to do something, but
you've just gone half ass. If you decided to do it,
go on, I think two and a half million. You know,
that seems like you're not shutting people out of the market. Yeah,
but if you want people to come in and you
want them to put head offices here and start things,
you know, and have branches here and stuff, then don't

(01:02:24):
you want them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
To be able to buy a house?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Not just the CEO, not just the richest person in
the company, but a few of the executives on the
way down.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
One hundred percent. If you're coming here to work and
you can't buy a house, that's a massive incentive, but
there will be plenty more to come on that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
This This man I live in Deneedi and they can
buy my house for five million. Yeah, I mean, is
it going to be a rising tide of people that
just put their house that's worth five hundred and fifty
thousand on the market for five millions so someone can
buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Hey, if someone takes the baits good on you would win.
But yes, there'll be plenty more on that. Discussion with
Heather at four o'clock as well. But let's get back
into self driving cars and there's been so many ticks
about this. So Tesla has indicated New Zealand is in
line for the flagship tear of it's semi autonomous driving software.
That is software that's been in use in the US

(01:03:10):
for about five years now. So while the company hasn't
confirmed an exact date, they said it is coming very
soon and New Zealand will be one of the first
markets in the world to receive the right hand drive version.
Very exciting for a lot of people out there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah, I mean, are you excited about this?

Speaker 13 (01:03:25):
I am?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Yeah? Would you run that? Would you would you come
to work with your hands off the wheel?

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
One hundred percent absolutely take advantage of it. Yeah, I
mean that would kind of be once it starts to
get rolled out. Why would you bother with public transport?
You know that if you've got these self driving cars
where and at this stage, the software means that you've
got to be in the front seats. You don't have
to have your hands on the wheel, but it's semi
autonomous that the human has to be somewhat in control.

(01:03:51):
But honesty call, if you had this technology, I'd jump
in the vaccinat Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
And so if that that that technology is coming to
New Zealand, there's there have to be some law changes
before we could get the robotaxis and the and the
weimoa and stuff. But they've had them in Arizona since
twenty two. Yeah, got them in California, They've got them
in Georgia, Florida, Texas, Washington's coming up soon. New York City, Dallas, Miami, Philadelphia, Boston, Nashville,

(01:04:17):
New Orleans, Las Vegas, Orlando, Houston, and San Antonio are
all on track to have self driving taxis very soon. Yeah,
so this is the first step. So that is coming
to New Zealand. I don't know what the time frame
is five years potentially.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Yep, it's on its way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
But I mean, can't you see a world where you're
driving into work, Tyler's sitting in the back seat doing
some work on your laptop. The whole car change is
design of the car changes. So you're being chauffeured in
by a self driving car. There's no one on the
front seat. You know, you might want to put a
blow up doll in there, like the auto pilot in
the movie Airplane or something just to make you feel comfortable.

(01:04:53):
But there's something in that that would mean that you
could work a lot. You know, where your house was
could be a lot further out because you could do
your first half hour work on the way to work,
just sitting in the back seat on a laptop.

Speaker 11 (01:05:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Great for productivity, absolutely, But what do you say, Oh, eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call?
Are you fizzing on the idea of self driving cars
coming to the New Zealand market or does it terrify you?
Oh what one hundred and eighty ten eighty is number
to call? It is twenty to three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news Talk sa'd.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Be seventeen to three. So Tesla has announced that semi
autonomous driving software will come into the New Zealand market
very very soon. How do you feel about that? He
fizzed up about that. If you're a Tesla owner, will
you buy the software upgrade? I wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is number.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
To call, Jamie. You've been in one of these way
Mo cabs in San Francisco?

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:05:47):
I have. We were in San Francisco and.

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
In June.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yes, right? And how did you go about ordering it?

Speaker 17 (01:05:56):
Jamie basically downloaded the apps We wanted to use it
because we saw them around town. It was really simple.
Similar I'd say to an uber, you know, just to
order one and it gives you an estimate of the
time and the price in the app.

Speaker 8 (01:06:11):
So they just arrive and it's this kind.

Speaker 17 (01:06:13):
Of black thing with these senses on the top and
senses on the side, and the door just opens and
you get in and you connect to it with your app,
and off it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
How did it feel to see a car pull up
without a driver and then to climb into it and
put your trust in it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Yeah, very very weird.

Speaker 17 (01:06:29):
It was more like we did it for fun because
we saw them driving around town. I would say the
only thing that was really bothersome about it was we
were going down to Fisherman's Wharf, which is, you know,
a high tourist area, and it couldn't find a safe
place to drop us off, so it kept driving around,
costing us more money. You know, if it was a person,

(01:06:49):
we'd say, I would just pull over here, right, I
see you just pull over here and let us out.

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
We walk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
There's no gray area with the rules. Apart from that, though,
how did it drive? Did you feel safe?

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Did it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Did it do anything interesting?

Speaker 17 (01:07:03):
Nothing interesting? Safe, same speed you know in the hat,
all the safe things.

Speaker 8 (01:07:10):
It was just fine.

Speaker 17 (01:07:11):
It was just that, you know, when it's not a
person and then you can't kind of say, oh yeah,
just drop us here, or actually can we stop and
get something to eat there? It was you know, there's
none of that kind of interpersonal changes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Yes, so if you you know, you said you kind
of did it as a novelty because you saw them
driving around. If they were to come to New Zealand,
and it seems likely they're all down the track. Can
you imagine a future where you would that be you
go to.

Speaker 17 (01:07:38):
I'd prefer an uber, I'd prefer the personal charts, the
communication there, you know, stop here, go there, or you know,
just that little bit of change that you can have.
It feels, you know, I wouldn't say I felt unsafe,
but I didn't. I was thinking about, oh, you know,
how would I get out if this malfunctioned? Or you know,
just those kind of things that were I was thinking

(01:07:59):
about while I was in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
So with the driver's seat, there's there's a there's a
natural seat there, so if you wanted to, you could
sit in that seat, but will allow you to sit
in that seat? Or you've got to sit in the
back or where are you allowed to sit?

Speaker 17 (01:08:13):
We just we just went straight into the back. But
they do have a driver's seat because sometimes they have
people in there doing like audits, right, you know that
making sure it's going okay or checking on with the people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
So we just does it does it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Does have all the pedals and all the normal stuff
that a car would would have in that driver's situation.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Well interesting, how cool?

Speaker 8 (01:08:34):
And see also go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
I was just going to say so at no point
can you speak to the car itself with the AI
and say, hey, do you just mind if we change
the route because I've got to pick up a pack
of SIGs or a bottle of wine or something.

Speaker 17 (01:08:47):
No, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yes, If anything, that your slight complaint with it, Jamie,
is that it was too safe. It was like, this
isn't I can't really legally stop here, so I have
to find a place.

Speaker 17 (01:08:58):
Yes, basically it wasn't. It wasn't able to just let
us off there, So it just went around and around
looking for a safe place to kind of let us out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
It's interesting.

Speaker 17 (01:09:10):
We did hire a vehicle that, actually we didn't realize
it was also self driving, and that happens as well
while we were in San Francisco, kind of like what
you're talking about with the Teslas. And that was another
interesting experience. I'm driving a vehicle that can go into
self drive mode.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Did you put it into South mode? Did you put
it in that mode?

Speaker 17 (01:09:32):
It puts itself in. Actually, so we were driving on
the highway and my husband was driving, and the steering
wheel kind of vibrated and it said automatic driver enabled.
You know, you may remove your hands from the steering
wheel and he was like, what the hell, and so
you know, he let go, and you know, we just

(01:09:54):
kind of keeped our hands hovering around there and it
just droves.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
And that was really had you put in a destination
at that point? Or is it just yeah? Right, okay?
So it guys, we've got a destination. I can take
you there, right, yeah, you go.

Speaker 17 (01:10:11):
The the thing about that is is that it drives
completely to the rules, and it leaves too much space
on the highway in between you and the current front
and other vehicles keep pulling into that space and then
it blast and you're like, oh mate, no you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Know, but it was fine, yeah, cool, thank you for
your call. Now, so it's just too nerdy, Yeah, it's
too rules. There's no gray area break the rules.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
If your self driving car kills someone, would you get
done for manslaughter or the company that made the car?
Or would you need more insurance? Or conversations here? Because
this tesla's recently been in court over this, haven't they. Yeah,
so I'll give you the details of that coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Great quiessh to know, but keen to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Tesler has an ounce
self driving cars. Semi self driving cars are coming our way.
Are you fizzed up or are you terrified?

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Will you be allowed to sit your driver's tests in
a self driving car? Says this text home. I'm already
thinking my kids are soft because where my son sat
his in my car with you know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Automatic handbrake, automatic parking.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly the issues that affect you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk, z'd.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Be very good. Afternoons you said, Tesla is bringing almost
self driving cars to New Zealand. It's a system called FSDs,
So essentially it's not fully automative. It is that you
still need a human and somewhat control of that vehicle.
You can have your hands off the wheel, but you
have to be responsible for the actions of that vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
It's interesting because my car, when I take my hands
off the wheel, it's got you know, active lane following
and distance and all that kind of stuff, and you know,
it gives me very little time before it starts threatening me.
He starts turning my stereo down, putting hands on the wheel.
If I'm not ten and two and holding it, and
all that's doing is just keeping it in the lane.
So if I'm trying to, you know, steer with my

(01:12:06):
hand at the bottom, it won't let me. So we're
talking before about the liability of you know, if someone
driving car killed someone, would you get done for manslaughter
or the company that made it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
This is just a case that's happening right at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
In the States, a Miami jury awarded two hundred and
forty three million against Tesla for an accident in twenty nineteen.
A Tesla on autopilot struck a couple in Key Largo, Florida,
killing a twenty two year old, and the initially Tesla
said that they couldn't find the information on it, the
data on it, but a hacker got in and found
the data. So you know, the jurors found Tesla thirty

(01:12:44):
three percent liabel for the crash. Whereas Tesla said, in
that particular autopilot mode, you were supposed to be watching
and behind the wheel, that was sort of a more
supportive thing. Yeah, but I mean that's technology twenty nineteen.
That's now six year old technology, which is it's gone
through the roof there. You know, you think about six
years of advancements in this kind of technology.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
But I think that's how they're getting around the legislation
we've got here in New Zealand that full self driving
supervised is the key element there when it comes to
New Zealand very soon. But can you hear your views,
oh one hundred and eighteen eighty eleanor you've.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Been all over San Francisco in one of these self
driving taxis no one in there at all?

Speaker 18 (01:13:22):
Yes, we've done. We have a family who live up there,
Our daughter and her family live there, so we've seen
them from when they were tracking the roads first of all,
to driving in them many of many times. In fact,
we've been up there three times this year so and
we always use way though because the traffic is absolutely appalling.

(01:13:45):
They drive like crazies there, especially on the way to
the airport and bank. And you are far safer in
a way more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Right, So you would have seen it in a number
of circumstances dealing with complicated things like cyclists and you know,
all manner of things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
And has it impressed you with how it's dealt with
that kind.

Speaker 18 (01:14:05):
Of stuff, Well, yes, it's certainly safe to be in
a weymo than it is to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Be on the road to New Zealand, right, okay, and
have you.

Speaker 18 (01:14:15):
They shallnot break the law over the way. They had
to drive to the speed limit. And the roads are
particularly dangerous there because so many of the adjunctions actually
in the city are on such a hill that their
level where the grid roads are crossing over that when

(01:14:36):
you are actually vouncing into their junction, you cannot see
over because it's so below on it. You're going to
go down the street hill. Now Weemo can see those
because they've got their scanners on the roof, and so
they've got the advantage of this three sixty degree And
remember that pedestrians in San Francisco take precedence over calf

(01:15:00):
on the road. You have to give way to a
pedestrian trying to cross, as it should be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
So what do you see, Eleanor when you're on the
back of this waimo, is there a big map system
like a tesla that you're looking at so you can
see where you're going or does it say anything to
you about what's coming up or anything like that.

Speaker 18 (01:15:16):
Yeah, it's just got the screen on the same as
you would see. I don't usually go in a tesla myself.
Just like an Apple car play or whatever. You can
see where you're going, but you're aware that it's sort
of quite careful and they see everything. If you were

(01:15:41):
in a left or an uber, you would be they
would be looking around and looking in their mirrors, but
they might not see a bicycle, they might not see
a person in a car.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
How exciting, I mean, massive over in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Interesting that she drives them, not scared to drive them,
but drives in them because she thinks they're safer. So
that's a huge, huge endorsement.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
We're going to carry this on after three o'clock. Love
to hear your thoughts about self driving technology. It is
I mean to New Zealand. Are you terrify or are
you fizzed up by it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Sebby, Welcome back into the program. It is seeven pass
three and having a great discussion about self driving cars.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
So I've learned something today from earlier on I was
talking about when I was pulled over by the police
for going through an orange light. Yep, very pedantic, but
you know, I'm a huge fan of New Zealand's finals,
so I was happy to pull over. But I found
out just by putting it out to the police office
and stuff, that they prefer you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
To stay in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Who what a thought.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
So my whole life, I've been getting out of the
car that's what I was told to do, and standing
by the car so they can see my hands and everything.
And I just thought it was the polite thing to
do that if the police officers stand up, I have
to stand up, yeap. But no, when I got pulled over,
the police officer, get back in your car. Police, and
I was like, oh, okay, I was just doing this because,
you know, out of respect. Yeah, but get back in
your car.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
I mean, you've pulled me over, for god through an
orange light, which was completely legit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
But that's fine. I'm still going to you know, I
understand you do a tough job. Yes you don't always
get it right, yep, but no, so many police officers
said we prefer you to stay in the car. In
my mind as well, I don't think it's mandated. No,
I don't think it's a law, but most police officers
prefer that you stay in the car, so that's mine blown.
But in the future, police officers will be pulling over

(01:17:30):
cars with no one in them, so that makes it
very easy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
And that's the topic. There's no one to get out
or stay in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Yeah, it's spot on. And the reason we're talking about
this is because Tesla says that their new full self driving,
supervised and braket software is coming to this market very
very soon. It's going to be the first market in
the world to receive the right hand drive version, so
it is going to change very rapidly. Are you fizzed
up about it or are you a little bit terrified?

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Well, the next step of courses, this isn't part of
what's happening in this round, but the next step of
it is the completely self driving taxis that you have
in places like San Francisco. Number of states in America, yes,
at the moment, so in Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida, Texas,
and Washington has got it coming up, New York, Dallas, Miami,

(01:18:16):
so it's all over Philadelphia's all over there. And Brian,
thank you. For sending in your video of driving around
San Francisco. Jumped into a waymo. It's very interesting. So
you just sort of get in the driver's not there.
There's a little thing that says start the journey. You
press start the Journey, and then you're away, far out,

(01:18:37):
and it just looks so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
And for people like me that grow up watching Night Rider,
the future is here as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
You got your very own kip.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Yeah, your very own cap It's very cool.

Speaker 16 (01:18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. There's a lot of people very excited on
the text machine.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
No, Josh, I didn't get tasted by the cops.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Not this time. Not this time is pretty close. Not
this one pretty close. Jim, you are driving a Tesla
at the moment.

Speaker 13 (01:19:03):
I am, indeed, Guys, I'm also an uber driver, So
I got two points of view here. Firstly, the full
self drive software has been available on New Zealand for
many years, but it's not full self drive capable, so
you can buy it as an option to your car.

(01:19:24):
They have another level below that, which is called Enhanced Autopilot,
which is basically the same as full self drive, but
it only works on the motorways, right, Yeah, there's the
capability of navigating to the off rent at your Citizy destination.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Right because it's saying here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Because so this new upgrade or the one that's coming
to Australia and New Zealand, it's an extra ten thousand dollars,
I believe Jim, that's what it's cost.

Speaker 13 (01:19:55):
You now to buy it's full self driving right now,
it cost you eleven thousand, four hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Right, but it's not as enabled as it is in
the United States. Is that correct? Here?

Speaker 13 (01:20:05):
Well, it does have traffic sign recognition and red light recognition,
so it does that for you. It's it's a well,
the current version is a long, long, long way off
what I'd ever want to use to give to give
you an idea on the motorway. The enhanced auto pilot,

(01:20:26):
the car thinks it's smarter than you, so you're driving
with no hands. It's navigating in the lane. But the
car on your right or your left makes a slight
move in the lane towards your lane, then the car
will break heavily and it's it's it's quite frightening. It

(01:20:46):
won't change lanes without you giving it a signal, and
that's the same on the full self drive software, so
you actually have to use it'll ask you to use
your indicator to acknowledge that you're going to change lanes,
and then it will do that for you. If it's
just driving in the lane by itself, it's the same
as adaptive cruise control on most other cars. But having

(01:21:10):
said that, it's having driven a lot of other cars,
it's way, way, way more accurate. So it stays in
the center of the lane. You've got eight ten cameras
on the car that are watching all around you, so
you can see on your screen what car is beside you.
And yeah, so it works good in one respect. And

(01:21:34):
I think the full self driving software that we get
here will be very similar to what's in the United States,
where it worked very well in central cities and at
low speed, but I think at high speed it's got
a long, long way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
So you said before, Jim that you were a uber driver.
So we're talking about these robotaxis and the way MoU
and you know what's available in San Francisco, for example,
in the States, So what do you think about that
in the future of Uber Driving.

Speaker 13 (01:22:12):
Well, I only do it as a retirement hobby, so
it's no big deal for me. But it's I don't
think we'll ever see it here. It's certainly not in
my lifetime. The expense of setting it up versus an
owner operated car, you'd have to have a fleet of them,
and I just don't think we've got the population to

(01:22:34):
support it. You might get it in Central Auckland at
some stage, but beyond that, right, I think it's a
long long way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I mean, but there's a potential that the cost of
running it comes down quite quickly. I mean, you hear
those those stories of how cheaply they're making e e
vs in China at the moment. So there is there
is a chance that this technology, once it's rolled out,
becomes very very cheap. And Uber's business model, as you know,
people that scratch the service the surface, they're always looking

(01:23:08):
to get you know, they really want to get rid
of the drivers because they see that as their their problem.

Speaker 13 (01:23:12):
So it could be Yeah, I agree one hundred percent,
but it's economies of scale, and I just don't think
that we hit the population.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Yeah, I mean where they're set up there in huge cities,
aren't they.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
You know?

Speaker 13 (01:23:26):
And I you'll find if you do a bit more
research that they are only working in the like you
were talking about San Francisco. It's the city center within
five miles more radius.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
But to be fair, Jim, that's you know, I remember
those those mufferings about Uber when it first launched and
said Uber is only going to be in Auckland and
it's never going to take off in the other regions
because we've got taxi services, and of course it's rapidly
expanded across most of New Zealand now. And the idea
that you've got those small towns that can't find enough
Uber drivers so they don't have Uber way MO kind

(01:24:01):
of would take care of that, wouldn't. They don't actually
need a driver, you just got the one car that
has no driver that operates around everybody knows the local WAYMO.
I could see that.

Speaker 13 (01:24:10):
Happening in theory that there is a possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
I mean, there's going to have to be a certain
amount of support though, I mean they go back to
like a you know, a robotic vacuum cleaning. They've got
to go back to the charging station, don't they. And
then they're going to have to. They can't service themselves.
I don't imagine they can check their tire pressure at this,
you know, like pump up their tires. So be interesting
how much back end service they need. Probably quite a bit,

(01:24:36):
probably a bit more than you'd expect.

Speaker 13 (01:24:39):
Well they shouldn't do, because I mean, you're a standing
at the ev is. There's nothing to spend on them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean like someone I imagine to
keep a license. You know, you look at look how
heavily they regulate lime scooters and stuff. I imagine that
for it to be go ahead and say in New
Zealand City, I imagine there'd be quite a lot of inspecting.
It couldn't just be that you fire it off in
the city and it just rolls around by itself, charging
itself and just goes and goes. I imagine there'd be

(01:25:07):
some regulations around, and you know, how they're serviced and
how they're looked over, and how they checked to make
sure that there's nothing wrong with them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
But you know, I could be wrong. Hey, thanks to you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Call Jim, Thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:25:17):
Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call A
whole bunch of texts coming through on this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Just means people can drive intoxicated without getting a ticket
because the car is self driving, or if is involved
in an accent, who is responsible the robot? Yeah, well,
I mean you can drive an uber intoxicated as long
as you're not driving.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Yeah, you can be at the vas. You're no liability
for you on that you start to be at the
backseat of an uber intoxicated already.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Exactly oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number
to call. Self driving cars are coming to the New
Zealand market very soon. How do you feel about that?
Does that terrify you? Or are you fizzed up with
But the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Text doesn't make a good point. There will have to
be legislation at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
If they agree that self driving cars are you know,
safe enough, then they have to then agree that you
can sit behind the world of one intoxicated, right, Yeah,
because what's it fronts?

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Because you're not got you you don't have any control
really of what that car is doing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Yeah, you're pissed up. Yeah, you're watching that steering whill
turn sober or drunk?

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Yeah, differences exactly seventeen pass three news talks'd be very
good afternoon, June nineteen pass three. So we're talking about
self driving cars. The technology or the software is coming
to the New Zealand market from Tesla very very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
How will a self driving car know if you've vomited
in the back of it? Says Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
It's a good point where they have some sort of
adjecta seat that they just boomed.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Can you imagine that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
So your way moo turns up and it can't doesn't
have the senses to notice that someone soiled the car,
so you climb into someone's filthy mess.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
I need to find out how they deal with that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
I'll tell you what I've heard rumors that how do
I put this?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
There's a bit of a challenge going on in cities
with self driving cars, similar to joining the you know,
the mile high.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Club, that it'd be hard to say no to that
if there's no driver.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Well, I mean you'll be there's a lot of filming
going on in those Texas. It's a good point. Yeah, yeah,
it's going to come out eventually. Oh no, But wherever
there's something like that, people are doing something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Kathy welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:27:21):
Hi sat Tyler, that was man.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Oh sorry, I'm confused, Tyler, it was Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
That's me.

Speaker 6 (01:27:31):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
I'm never going to hear your voice in the Lune Avenue.

Speaker 17 (01:27:34):
Supermark because you're moving.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry, Kathy, I'm out of Mount Wellington.
I love it and love you, but yeah, you know
you don't know if you love me. Well you know
we have just thought out Yeah your oven, so that
that shows a bit of love them.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
Yes, and I'll to the day I die, I'll be
grateful to you.

Speaker 18 (01:27:51):
You're wonderful people.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
To go on, now, let's have a chat about self driving.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
You don't like it, okay, horrific, revolting? What another word
can I find for it? Going back in time?

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:28:05):
Not awome.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
I don't want to climb in a car that's got
nobody in it.

Speaker 10 (01:28:11):
It's so revaulting.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
And why should I even pay for When you're a
driver's license or do license? You have a license and
somebody a car's going around with nobody behind the wheel, well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Mean it's pretty pretty handy. Say for people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
What about the situation, Kathy, People that are, you know,
getting a bit older and they can't pass their driver's
license test anymore, and they still want to get around,
and it's an opportunity for people to keep their independence, surely, Kathy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
What about taxis with real people driving them?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Yeah, yeah, they work well well, I mean yeah, there's
that part of it as well. So there's self driving
cars that's a private vehicle, and then there's the self
driving taxi.

Speaker 5 (01:28:53):
So yeah, I just think, what on earth is coming
next to this world? As crazy as it is, And
this is the last draw.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Really, that's okay, that's the last one Kathy's opting out.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Yeah, well, brace yourself, Kathy, because it is coming and
it's got to change very very quickly. But at a
big note to Kathy, she loves the humans and fair
enough too. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you can't get through, keep trying.
We've got full boards with some great techs coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Yeah, there's all these people's texting this through and there
has been the guys. People in the States have been
disabling driverless taxis by putting a road cone in front
of them and behind them. They sense an obstruction and
won't move steed. Yeah, I mean pranking the old I
mean you could if you wanted to do that kind
of thing, you can do it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Don't mess with the AII, yeah, because they'll find out.
You know, it's coming to a point where you muck
around with AI too much and they'll remember, they'll remember.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
We'll put tases on the back in front. People keep
start doing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
That exactly twenty three Parts three. What do you reckon
about self driving technology? You've fizzed up or terrified.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Because it's coming to New Zealand soon.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
It is twenty five past three. Self driving software is
coming to the New Zealand market. Could deceive Tesla.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and whilst this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Hasn't been any any time scale for this coming to
New Zealand. Robotaxis and Waymo taxis where you get picked
up by a car with no driver and we were
discussing before and if someone soeals it before you, well, hi,
guys with Waymo taxis on their app, you can let
them know if the car is untidy. Someone turns up

(01:30:32):
real fast and another car is sent to you. The
problem with them in La Is. They stick to the
speed limit and it's a bit unnerving for with everyone passing.
You have a great afternoon, love your show, Thanks for
your text. Great text, right, Yeah, I mean that I
should have thought about that. If you open the door
to your Weaimo or your Robotax and it's been soiled,
you're not going to get You're going to go no, no, thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Another car, please car. Mike, you've you're a Tesla owner
and you're paid for the software.

Speaker 16 (01:31:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:31:01):
Yeah, we just paid up front and we've run the
car just seven weeks so far. We actually flew up
to Auckland to pick it up and drove it thirty
five hundred k's into the South Island and we spend

(01:31:21):
one hundred and eighty dollars doing that on fuel, which
is pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
YEP.

Speaker 12 (01:31:27):
I bought the self driving function because although it doesn't
affect me right yet, we do hope that this car
will be a last car that we buy. And I'm
looking forward to a time when we show up the
Ministry of Transport to renew my driver's license and that
says no, that's not going to happen. And at that
point I'll be able to put my hands off the

(01:31:47):
wheel and say, what's not my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yeah, I mean that there as this technology becomes in
and you know, if we if it's fully trusted and
the laws are changed so it's completely operational on your sid,
it's going to open up the world to a whole
lot of people that are currently because I mean when
when someone gets you know, gets the driver's license taken
away from them when they're much older, that really can

(01:32:13):
limit someone's life. So there's could could be an absolutely
fantastic result from this.

Speaker 12 (01:32:20):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well my mum and dad know, well Mon
passed away a year or so ago, but Dad had
his license taken off him and basically then you're stuck.
You can't go to supermarket, you can't do anything, and
you know that it does kind of end your life
really in some respects. And now that doesn't have to

(01:32:40):
be the case. So I'm looking forward to that. So
it's not been enabled just as of today yet. It
was supposed to happen last Friday, and then it said
that it was supposed to be by the end of
the month, which was yesterday, but that didn't happen. But
we drove a car back on the first level, which
is autoste and basically he didn't really touch the steering

(01:33:04):
with all that. Often it does nag to say that,
you know, you have to do that, keep your hands
on the wheel, whatch you do just lightly and then
it just you know, steers a round, bends and does stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:33:16):
It's really really good.

Speaker 12 (01:33:18):
But in each of these when you enable each of
these features, it comes up and it says, this is
beta software. We're nowhere responsible for what happens when you
use the software. Actually that will change. It has done
since Tesla introduced their self driving package what they called
full self driving from day one. But it's always had

(01:33:41):
that feature. So anyone that has an accident, it's on them,
you know. Unfortunate that some judges may be haters of
technology and therefore attribute blame. But clearly, when you engage
that software, it very clearly comes up and it says,
you know, this is only beta software and you're legally

(01:34:01):
responsible for it. Goes through quite a spiel in saying that,
and you know something, Yeah, you don't need to be
in any notion that it's it's the it's the full
deal and you just fall asleep behind the wheel and
let it rip.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Yeah, think for you call Mike. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
So the level two driver system knowledge allows the car
to accelerate, stair and navigate traffic, though the driver remains
legally responsible.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
So that's what the test Tesla. So that's eleven four
hundred dollars to get that upgrade for your car.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Yeah, and if it goes wrong, then you are in
the hot seat, you're responsible. Tesla can say, hey, look,
you know we said this was on you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Yeah, in that in that case that we're talking about before,
that's what Tesla said. They said that the person behind
the wheel was legally responsible. But then they hidden some
from my understanding of the case, they had said that
they didn't have the data yeah to supply the court.
But then a hacker came in and found the data.
And so I think that's part of why the judgment's

(01:35:04):
gone so heavily against Tesla two hundred and forty three
million dollars, right, because I don't know for sure, but
the suggestion is that they were being a little bit
sneaky by not surprising supplying the data.

Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Fascinating times. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Self driving software is on its
way to the New Zealand market. Tesla has announced that
we are going to be one of the first markets
in the world to have that software for right hand driving.
What do you say, if you're a Tesla driver, are
you're going to buy the software? And if you are
not a Tesla driver you're a bit terrified by this?

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Sooner the better for self driving, better traffic flows, no
one blocking lights by.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Running orange ones and not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Getting through, less accidents. The list is endless. This will
be awesome, sins Gareth.

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
So there's a lot of fans twenty nine to four.

Speaker 14 (01:35:52):
You talk, sa'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Foreign investors with an
Investor Residency visa will soon be able to buy a
house in New Zealand, but only if it's valued over
five million dollars. The new rules will only apply to
those who've invested at least five million dollars here on
top of the value of the house. The Gray District

(01:36:15):
Council has called in police after online threats to councilors,
including references to assassination and torture. The government is looking
to address a hold up to the expansion of the
country's largest port, port of Titong, says it may have
to turn away ships after a High Court judge halted
the potential fast tracking of its expansion due to the

(01:36:37):
wording of the fast track legislation. The number of Keywi
students learning another language is steadily dropping, with a new
report recommending it now become a requirement for years seven
to ten. Sand mining at Parkety Beach north of Auckland
has officially been ruled out. McCullum Brothers Limited has reached
a settlement agreement with nat Manaherti and Auckland Council, effective immediately.

(01:37:02):
The obscure law driving some of New Zealand's best directors
to Australia. See the story at Enzid Herald Press. Now
back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adam.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Thank you very much, SUSI. Twenty five to four. So
Tesla has outlined the New Zealand introduction of the flagship
tire of its semi autonomous driving software. They haven't said
an exact date, but it is coming here first. So
we've put the call out to you, our dear listeners.
How do you feel about self driving cars coming to
our roads?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Can it merge better than a keiw How about keeping
left on passing on a less passing might be a
good thing. Yeah, keywis can't drive. Self driving cars might
be able to the sticks.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
Merging is a massive thing. If it can merge, better
bring it on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Yeah, yes, so Liz, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:37:47):
Hi Tyler, Hi mart. One of the points has already
been made, which was for the older people. As you
get older and you have to set your driving license,
it's quite anxious time waiting to see you're going to
have your driver's license, because if you suddenly lose it,
you become very very isolated, if you don't have much
family around you. We're very lucky in that way. But

(01:38:08):
the other point is actually people on meds for maybe epilepsy,
things like that, who are Yes. I mean I'm not
a huge fan. I don't even have them about phone
or a computer, so it would be quite difficult for
me to use these things called absent things. But I
can see if it's really really good in the future,

(01:38:30):
it would be a huge help to stop people feeling
isolated and people being able to continue working because of
as a say, epilepsy and things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
Yes, spot on, I mean, you know, when Uber eats
came to the party and it still gets a bit
of controversy. But for people who can't go out and
drive and pick up their own food and whatnot, there's
been a game changer itself, right, So this could be
another situation like that.

Speaker 19 (01:38:54):
Yes, yes, and I think certainly for the elderly. I think,
you know, if you've driven all of your life and
then suddenly that's taken away from you, and maybe you
don't live near to close public transport, then it's a
huge change to your life, and I suspect could lead
to severe depression, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Absolutely, when you get shut down and you can't visit people,
can't deliver, people can't go to your whatever clubs or
pick up whatever you need to do, do your own groceries,
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 19 (01:39:21):
And even asking friends to help you out. You can
only do that so often, so you probably start to
feel like quite a burden.

Speaker 10 (01:39:28):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Yeah, thank you for your callers, good point, Good afternoon, guys.
Sorry I'm not with you on this hype around this stuff.
They have been over There have been over fifty fatalities
using Tesla software as just one example. Weimo by contrast,
which uses way more so. Sciate technology like Leder has
zero fatalities. The only desk that it is linked to

(01:39:52):
WEAEIMO is the fact and out of control Tesla which
crashed into one, killing the Tesla occupant. Just keep an
eye out on all the lawsuits that have been settled
by Tesla today, So the highest number that I can find.
But you know, I'm not saying you're wrong, as seventeen
fatalities in Tesla sort of pushback on few of them.
So it's certainly not without out problems. But you've got

(01:40:13):
to say the technology is getting better and better and
better and better, definitely. And what I would say is
that humans are quite capable of crashing.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
One hundred percent. I'm just trying to than humans.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Are quite capable of falling asleep at the wheel. Yeah,
humans are quite capable of drunk driving exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
So if you look at the number of driving hours
Tesla have and you come to the conclusion that there
was seventeen recorded deaths, and then look at the number
of driving hours for human powered driving and the fatality
is there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Well, all that is really contested though, because you know
the Tesla, the lawyers are going to say that one
was an ass that one was this, but so seventeen
confirmed a lot of Tessler's out there. But yeah, I
know how you'd feel if one of your loved ones
got killed by Tesla a self driving car. Yeah, imagine
you'd pretty angry at the company.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
Absolutely, Yeah, but the technology is getting incredibly good. I'm
just thinking about the vehicle we've got, which isn't Eclipse,
so it's got the self breaking technology. And I've got
to say, there was one occasion when I was coming
up and it's got the big light saying break, break, break,
because it thinks it can see something confront And there
was one occasion there was nothing there. God knows what's
set it off, and it hit the brakes and I
was bloody terrified because there's nothing you can really do

(01:41:18):
at that point. I think you can pump the brakes
to try and get it the stop, but that is
very old technology, whereas Tesla were in that situation years ago.
So now they've really perfected a lot of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
So this text has hitspad.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
I've just sent you a link with fifty nine confirmed fatalities,
and I've just been reading this other thing that says
at the fifty nine at disputed, But anyway, whether it's
seventeen somewhere between seventeen and fifty nine one is a tragedy, right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nicely said, right.

Speaker 14 (01:41:45):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We got to play some messages. But when we come back,
Chris has rung from Australia and he'd far prefer a
human behind the wheel. We'll find out why next twenty to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Four, a fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heathen
Taylor Adams. Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty US Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
They'd be for a good afternoon to you. We're talking
about south driving technology. It is coming to New Zealand.
Tesla has announced that it has coming here, just not
on exact date. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Well, someone saying, why are you talking about Tesla so
much on this issue? There's a lot of other players
in the market. Has Elon Musk got a taser to
the back of your head? The answer is because the
news article is Tesla is bringing it to New Zealand. Yeah,
and WEIMO is a long way away and they're different things.
So what we're saying is Tesla is bringing this this
second tier level two driver assistance technology in New Zealand

(01:42:38):
for eleven four hundred dollars if you're interested, yep, which
has you know, we can accelerate your caster you can't
never get through traffic and et cetera. But with what
we're really saying is that how long is it tool?
We have those waymost style self driving taxis that they
have in so many places in the United States of America.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
Yeah, And as you say, we're mentioning Tesla because the
Ore the first cab off the rank, the Ore the
first one to mention this technology is coming to New
Zealand and Australia for that matter, and that is a
big move.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
So it can categorically tell you right now Elon Musk
isn't in the studio with a taser to either our heads,
no making us talk about Tesla specifically.

Speaker 4 (01:43:15):
Yeah, we can say that he does love the show that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
They're not the only one with this kind of technology. Yeah, obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Love to hear your thoughts. Are you're excited
about self driving or not? Chris, how are you.

Speaker 20 (01:43:29):
Afternoon, gentlemen. Hey, I'm personally all about the cars being
held by humans on the road. For me, personally, I
don't trust the digital cars being able to react as
quick as me. If someone just cut in front of me,
or someone.

Speaker 13 (01:43:47):
Was a whole I need to be able to react
to that.

Speaker 20 (01:43:50):
And if I was in the back seat or in
the passenger seat with no console being able to remove
myself from a situation, I'd make myself sort of you know,
a little bit of a problem here. Now, I've just
got to deal with it self. Control for me is

(01:44:10):
absolutely number one on the road. But something that I
would sign up to would be drones. A drone taxi
that can land itself close to my house and then
drop me off somewhere close to work. And then they
have a digital system where if they've got two drones

(01:44:31):
going in the same way, one will rise up higher.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
And the other one will go You're like the three
D environment of.

Speaker 20 (01:44:38):
It, right, yes, and and and and do you like
segueing from the the you know these digital vehicles to
drones is there's there would be a computer system in
touch with that and that is really a capable system

(01:45:00):
and that would take you off the road.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
So would you be would you be okay with because
you know, what's the huge difference between a drone that
can carry a person and a self piloting helicopter. I mean,
would you be okay with the self piloting helicopter?

Speaker 20 (01:45:15):
Well, absolutely, because the digital information about where I've got
to go to will then lap with someone else flying
from somewhere else, and they would make adjustments to not collide.

Speaker 16 (01:45:29):
In the year.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Yeah, I mean it point would be very cool like
the jitsuns. But I've got to say that would terrify
me far more than self driving car, self driving drone
if it all goes wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
Yeah later, I mean, yeah, if you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Your plummet, if there is an issue, because you know,
if you if your self driving taxi gets a little
bit wrong, they're driving the speed limit. More than likely
you just can have a bit of a dingle.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Yeah, but if you start dropping from the sky. But
you know the problem with drones that are powerful enough
to pick up humans use a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Of battery power, Yeah, a lot. It takes a lot
of grunt. It's a lot of a lot of grunt.

Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call there's
quite a few teas coming through, but least go tossignment Hi.

Speaker 16 (01:46:14):
There he goes down very well.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
You love the idea.

Speaker 16 (01:46:18):
I like the idea. Yeah. I watched this really interesting
video from I think the channel was called very Tassium
on YouTube and they talked about how using five D
for the cards to be able to communicate between each
other is actually going to be ideal for traffic flows
and also safety because they're constantly pinging messages and they're
aware of each other and aware of traffic signals and

(01:46:40):
all sorts of things. So it does you're also expecting
the traffic to also be entirely on that platform too.
And when you think about it too, if you lined
up in a traffic light, crrent the front is looking
at the lights the current, second and fourth, fifth, then
looking at the lights of the current. Yeah, And that's

(01:47:01):
what slows down the traffic ultimately, is people reacting to
completely different people with different reaction times.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Not reacting at all because they've jumped on their phone
and they haven't even noticed its exactly.

Speaker 16 (01:47:13):
And that's and that's the entire thing around the safety
thing as well, is that the from everything that I've
heard about about self driving technology is that it's the
accidents of course, because the cars are too safe. So
if you think of the technology as like the code
in the simplest terms, is there if their logic based statements,

(01:47:35):
So if you do this, then do this, and so
it can't react fast enough to unpredictable driving that a
human might do, whereas if it's if it's a smart car,
the smart car, for example, then they can kind of
predict off each other what they're going to do and
where they're going to be. So that's that's the cause

(01:47:56):
of those accidents. Is the human error?

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Yeah, right in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Yeah, you're saying, I've seen these demonstrations, these models of cities.
If every single car was as you say, self driving
and communicating with each other, and there's basically no traffic
because they can go through intersections and time going through
the intersections, so you would never even have to stop
at red lights. They just can't exact as you say,
all that and for an efficiency, so you could have

(01:48:20):
everyone traveling. I mean, I know they tried to do
in Auckland insanity a lower the speed to thirty kilometers now,
but you everyone could just be driving at the same speed.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
The whole way there, and.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
You know, the lights and everything is just all sync
together and it will beautiful. But as you say, as
you seem to get a human buzzing around in the air,
it all makes things very difficult.

Speaker 16 (01:48:43):
Yeah, I mean the ultimate test is also going to
be well for me in particular because it's one of
my pet peeves, doesn't know how to indicate a roundabout.
I really really want to know if it knows how
to do that, and it's perfect technology.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Yeah, And that's right because because a lot of this
has been developed out of Silicon Valley in America is
famously reticent to roundabout, so they might great round technology.
There are interesting things those simons in terms of, you know,
like the moral decisions that you know, self driving cars
have to make. Like everyone you know talks about the
trolley problem and whether you make a decision whether if

(01:49:20):
you're going to if there's options of if you're going
to run people down, and there's two options, do you
pick the younger people the older people. There's lots lots
of decisions that humans might make morally that we don't
necessarily want a program into a car to make.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
But you know, the message cases.

Speaker 16 (01:49:37):
Yeah, to the AI side of things and think of
it logically, or it's going to act in a way
that it's been coded by a human. Yeah, so if
it's able to learn learn how to do it, then
it might be able to make that, Yeah, that decision
like a human world. Or if it's like if this,
then do this, then that's the answers to the trolley
problem is as a coded response.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Yeah, yeah, so the trolley problem being the moral dilemma
where you must choose between two harmful outcomes, letting a
trolley kill five people or diverting it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
To one person instead.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
So the idea is that either it's just going to
do it or you make a decision to bear ver off.
So if you have to put that into a car
self driving car, you go, okay, well, if you're going
to crash into five people, but there's an option where
you just crash.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
Into one, then you know which one do you take. Yeah,
it's a hard thing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
To break your ethics of robotics. Yeah, it's a big one. Simon,
great Caul, thank you very much. A couple of texts here, guys,
I love the idea of the self driving car. I
can drive pisce to the pub and I can get
the car ride home drunk as well. That would work
for my lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
The interesting thing is that's not going to change the alcohol.
So if you drive pissed from the pub, they're not
going to let you into the pub.

Speaker 7 (01:50:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:50:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
The idea is you're not driving.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of I can kind of
see it like in sort of a Vietnam situation when
you call in a pick up, you know, like an
evac helicopter, but it's your driver's this car.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
You just press the button and your car comes and
gets you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:51:04):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:51:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
It is eight minutes to four back very shortly. You
listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you having a great afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
That be news talks there b it is five to
four self driving cars great for useless drivers.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
I'll encourage my mother in law to get one, make
us all safest. Is any ask any tractor driver or
farmer now using GPS auto stair for seeding or plowing.
I don't think any of them would ever go back.
Commutera is just better at driving and more accurate.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
Yeah, great text, and this one. The self driving car
will err on the far side of caution. It will
accelerate like it's identical twin the platypus to gain itself
greater range reputation, and will merge like a broken zip
bugger caution, get your foot into it, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
And some people saying that you'll never be able to
drink drive in a driverless car. But I'm thinking if
they legislate that a car can drive by itself, then
what doesn't matter if it's driving with an unconscious drunk
person on the back. If they decide that they're safe
enough to drive on their own, then surely it's safe
enough to drive with a drunk person in that. But
it's interesting how most people that are texting you and

(01:52:23):
want to use it for that purpose. Anyway, Thank you
so much for listening to the show. Thank you for
your calls and text We've had a great time. The
Matt and Tyler Full Show podcast. We'll be out wherever
you get your podcasts very soon. The Powerful Hea the
Duplicy Ellen is up next.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
But Tyler, my good friend, tell me why I'm playing
the song now, I have actually no idea. I love
the song chumber one, but tub thumping.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
Well, the song's all about getting wasted, and a concrete
layer said, you can't find anyone to work in his
company because all the young workers are too wasted all
the time to do the job.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
Great choice, great show, Love it all right, have.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
A great reci your afternoon till tomorrow. Give him a
taste of keying from Rsie.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
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