Full Show Podcast: 03 December 2024

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 3rd of December - how to deal with rising numbers on Jobseeker?

Then, the pros and cons of wearable fitness technology.

Matt came across a US maritime expert on a YouTube show and he joined our Afternoon duo to share his thoughts about the auto-pilot issue on the Manawanui.

And the fake versus real Christmas tree debate.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome you, great New Zealanders to the Matt and Tyler
Afternoons News Talks HEB podcast for Tuesday, the third of
December and the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four.
Great show. Today, we get into a lot of stuff
around fitbits and Apple watches and doctors saying that people
shouldn't be monitoring their health as much as they are
because it's turning them to hypochondriacts. We've also got some

(00:38):
exciting benefit chat as well. But the real thing that
you'll be waiting for to the end of the show
is the binding referendum on fake versus real Christmas trees.
We put it out there and I have been in
radio for a long time and I have never seen
a text machine explode with so much feedback as it
did over the fake Real debate.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Hundred six are still coming through, they're.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Still piling in. People are angry, they're fired up. I've
never seen New Zealand as divided as it is, and
this is what's social media is doing to us. We're
a divided nation. We're completely polarized, and there's no bipartisan
love on fake versus real Christmas trees.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
This is more spicy than the flag referendum. We've made
some big promises, so we've got some came It's.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
More expensive than the flag referendum. So enjoy the show
and give them a taste of Kiwi from me. And hey, look,
if you haven't set to download and subscribe and all
that kind of stuff, then why wouldn't you. Okay, all right, then, okay,
you've seen busy. We'll let you listen to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty
twenty four News Talk zib Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Do you welcome into the show? Mett and Tyler with
you until four pm. Hope you're doing well, get a mat.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I'm doing very well. I'm sitting in the same seat
that Boris Johnson did for with Hie before. Still warm.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, it runs hot.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's hours later and it's still piping hole on my seat.
There's a little blonde here is everywhere I'm putting myself
talking a little bit like this.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Or very very good, right, big show today after three
o'clock a very special interview.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, that's right. Doctor sel the Macogiano, a maritime historian
at Campbell University, former merchant Marina Mariner and host of
What is going on the Shipping? He analyzes the MANAWANUI
autopilot disaster. I saw his analysis and so we reached
out to him all the way over to North Carolina
and gonna have a great chat. Well, we're gonna have

(02:35):
a chat with him. I assume it's going to be
great around his theories on it, and it's all to
do with the ASI pods, and it's all to do
with the transition from it being a commercial vessel to
it being a navy vessel. So here, Yeah, he knows
the stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
He sent to share it with us after three, looking
forward to that after two o'clock. Why are doctors weary
of wearer balls? A lot of us have them at
the moment we're talking about the Apple watches, the fitbits,
the aura rings, But more and more doctors out of
the UK and a US say a lot of the
health data that they actually get are not that useful

(03:10):
for the user, and we may be raising a society
of hypochondriacs. Get out, Get out. You've got a very
beautiful Apple Watch on at the moment.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, I mean hypercontract so I guess. I guess it
depends what you use it for. I use it so
it reminds me to stand up when I'm sitting on
my lazy ass watching Netflix for ours and tells me
to walk around so my metabolism doesn't stop completely. It
motivates me to walk up the stairs instead of taking
the elevator when I get to work. I think they're

(03:40):
a really really positive thing.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah. When I had my Apple Watch on, I've got
it at home. I haven't worn it for some time,
but I'm with you. It actually kicked my ass a
bit to get out there and exercise and close those rings.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean, if you're constantly monitoring your heart rate, and
I know there's various other things that they can monitor,
and maybe that would be a problem, but I don't know.
Is it a problem for us to be Do they
really want us to be less aware of our health?

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I think that's a decision we can make for ourselves.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
It's going to be an interesting chat after two o'clock,
but right now, let's have a chat about the job
seekers benefit. So up to seventy thousand job seekers are
to receive individual assessments and a personalized job plan to
help them get into work. Minister for Social Development and
Employment Louise Upstein said yesterday everyone who is supported by
an employment case manager will be eligible to receive a

(04:28):
work readiness needs assessment to look at a possible barriers
to their employment such as education, transport, addiction, health and
childcare issues they may have. But what we want to
have a chat to you about is if you are
on the Job Seeker Benefit, we would love to hear
from you. What is it like at the moment trying
to find a job. I've heard multiple stories online and

(04:50):
elsewhere about people that have been looking for a job
for the past twelve months finding it very difficult. Some
of these people are very qualified. But also the hurdles
you have to jump through in order to not be
sanctioned by WINS when you don't meet those conditions as
in going to a j job interview. Are the job
interviews lined up in relation to your audit skills.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
When you say hurdles you go through, wouldn't that be
why you'd want to be doing Yeah? So, I mean
if you're on the Job Seeker Benefit. Then you are
looking for work, there's not so much hurdles as.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
It well sometimes it is. And this is why I'm
really keen and we're really keen to chat to you
if you're on the benefit, is that after the GFC,
I had to go on the job Seekers Benefit for
about two months while I was looking for work. I
was made redundant. It was some pretty tough times then
as it is now, were you're looking hard for work.
Certainly was Yep, there wasn't many jobs going at the
time because employers, quite rightly were a bit fearful about

(05:42):
what would happen after the GFC. So I got on
the Job Seeker Benefit and at the time, and I've
got to say, I thought that it was just a
tick box exercise for wins in terms of I had
my obligations that I always meant. Absolutely I'm grateful that
I had that assistance from the government of the text
bad don't get me wrong, But the fact that I
had to go to, for example, a Microsoft Excel Beginner's

(06:03):
course was one of the things they sent me to
just to tick the box.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
And so you don't could you were you proficion at
microsophic self excellent.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Really, I smashed that in a couple of hours. Okay,
yep ye. Then they sent me to Marii where there
was an opportunity for one person to be off at
Forkliff training. But it turns out that was just for
children of that particular Marai. So I turned up to
that Marii. They looked at me and said, you shouldn't
be here.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
You're not one of our kids.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, So that was the situation back in two thousand
and eight. And that's what I wonder now is I
think we can all agree that if there are jobs
available and you're on a job seeker benefit and you
can work, then you should be pushed into a job
if you're able to. But if there are still these
unfair hurdles, particularly for those that are heavily qualified, and

(06:52):
they are being asked to do things that are just
ticking a box, that's what I want to hear about.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Right, okay, T one hundred and eighty ten eighty what's
it like to be on the job seeker right now? Also,
just generally out there, if you're looking for work or
be interested to hear what the market's like out there,
If you're throwing your CV around and getting nothing back.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
There was also some concern when there was suggestions that
those on the job seeker may be required to move
outside of a town that has no jobs too a
place that does have jobs.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, there's a text here on nine two niney two Tyler,
Matt Hurd your intro on the job Seeker. But when
I was in the US for a year, I noticed
people realize they need to shift towns, if not states,
to get work. Not the same here. People become entrenched
in hometowns. That's from lindsay. I know when I was
growing up in Dunedin and there was no work for
me there, I moved to Auckland and lived in a

(07:43):
shed until I got some work.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
But I mean I guess that maybe that was a
particular I wasn't on a job seeker or anything. I
just didn't have any money and needed to get a job,
so I moved up here. Does seem like if you're
if you're young, and you know you've got you've got opportunities,
and you know, you know you've got the time, and
you know, not too many routes, and then you of
course for your own your own sanity. You'd move to

(08:07):
a town that had more opportunities for you get work,
wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, I agree. I don't see what the concern is.
And they made it pretty clear. Louise Upton said that
if you have children that go to a local school
and you've got deep roots within that town and you're
trying to find a job, they're going to take that
into consideration. We're talking about young people here who have
the ability to move towns, and as you say, that
is something most of us did at eighteen nineteen twenty
mund Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, if you grew up in a small town, you
generally try and move to a bigger town to try
your hand at the world. You know, show the world
what you've got.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear from you on this one. Nine
two ninety two is the text number. It is thirteen
past one.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (08:58):
They'd be good afternoon, sixteen past one. We're talking about
the new changes to the Job Seeker benefits in terms
of wrap around service for those struggle to get into
a job, and we put the call out that if
you're on the Job Seeker Benefit or you've been looking
for a job, we'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
And you believe that some of the things that they
get you to do a pointless Like, for example, you
were forced to do an x when you were on
the Job Seeker Benefit. I've never been on it, but
you were on it and you were forced So I
don't know, but you were forced to do an Excel
course when you already knew.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
How to do it.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Run Excel, yeah, chet, yeah, I already had those skills,
but they sent me to It was a community based
learn how to work Microsoft Excel.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And you don't think they should have done that well
without a word of a light.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was just retirees. It was a community organization. But
I'm not saying they shouldn't have sent me there. And
I went because I knew that was my obligation to
go down where they say I should go down.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
But the fact it just.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Felt like it was ticking a box. That's what I
had a problem with at the time.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
But you might be a slightly different person because you know,
you had studied right at that point, you had a
journalism degree, did you, yep? So you were really just
looking for an opportunity to get back into the job
you wanted to get back into. But some people don't
have anything at all and don't know, you know, don't
have a degree, don't have a course, and maybe something
like that would give them the confidence to go on

(10:19):
and learn more things.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I agree. But the situation with me, if I said
to my case officer that, hey, just so you know
that I've got a journalism degree and I'm quite proficient
at Excel, wouldn't have matter. It wouldn't have mattered. They
would have said, Okay, I get all that, but you're
going to go down anyway.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Were you only applying for jobs in the degree you
wanted to go Are you trying applying for all kinds
of jobs.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Across the board at that point? Okay, yep.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
So what if you shifted town to pick fruit or something?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, well I had to shift our town. So when
I was made redundant up and Fungaday had to shift
down to Nelson where there was primarily more jobs across
the board. I'm talking fishing, laboring into the orchards, and
so eventually I was lucky enough to pick up a
little bit of laboring work before I got back into
the industry and found a journalism job.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Did you turn off everything in your house before you left?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
No ways, Yeah, including the fridge this time.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
But oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you are
on the job seeker benefit, we'd love to hear from
not just the potential hurdles that when making you go
through and whether or not that's valuable, but also if
you've been looking for a job for the past twelve months,
how hard is it out there here? Many stories are
very qualified people who are banging their heads against a
brick wall trying to find a job at the moment. Savannah,

(11:35):
how are you.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
Morning?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
How are you very good? So you're on the job
seeker currently.

Speaker 7 (11:42):
So I've been on the job seeker with a medical
certificate for eighteen months. I was a victim of a
hold up at my retail store cheaper and I sustained
quite a lot of injuries through it. In the last
basic year or so, I have applied for ninety eight

(12:05):
jobs and have only been successful in two interviews. Working
Income New zeal And said that that is unsatisfactory, and
they sent me to a job interview at Subway to
make sandwiches, and if I did not attend that interview,

(12:26):
my benefit would have been suspended regardless because they felt
that I was not actively seeking enough to qualify to
keep the benefit.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
And then snat you didn't want Savannah, you didn't want
to work at Subway.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
Well, I mean I was open to any type of
work as a retail manager. I was looking for jobs
and supermarkets, for merchandisers, for rep work, retail work, everything
like that. And then they put me into Subway and
my manager was seventeen years old, which were it was

(13:08):
really difficult to handle being someone in their mid fifties
that is qualified and a keyholder and all that sort
of stuff that goes with it. But then the department
and Subway decided that I did not fit their processing

(13:29):
for a full time employ year. So then was working
in Come New Zealands. I received a two week stand down,
suspended benefit because of it. Was there any backup or
anything right there? Because I did not feel my obligations
of being at work. And then two weeks ago I

(13:52):
was due to go to an interview in a retail position,
and that same day my house burnt the ground and
my benefit was suspended because I.

Speaker 9 (14:04):
Did not attend the interview.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
For work and I was only able to have an
emergency benefit for accommodation and nothing else.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Hang on a minute, Savannah. Your house burnt to the ground,
so you had evidence that your house burnt to the ground.
Surely they would have taken that into account. That you
couldn't You couldn't turn up after an event like that.
It was where about I was.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Classed as this was in the white cats hoes, and
it was classed as not an emergency, even though my
house burnt to the ground, my neighbor's house burnt to
the ground, and I ended up in hospital with switches
and what have you from rescuing animals out of the fire.

(14:52):
And then I literally had to fight work and income
to get a benefit back on because they deemed that
I no longer had an addressive service.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, but did you? So you you took the fire
reports in the and showed that your house had been
burnt down and the neighbor's house had been burned down,
and you'd been injured in the fire, and they didn't
take that into account. That sounds class That sounds.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Class as not it was, And I mean I still
have all the emails from them, everything like that that
it was regarded as non urgent and I should have
attended the interview. And it has literally taken me two
weeks of living in my car to find accommodation because

(15:45):
once again, with my emotional support dog, we cannot be
in emergency housing. And they deemed that I have abandoned
my work obligations and my housing obligations.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Well, Savannah, with these new changes, having a personalized plan
in terms of the you know, the hurdles that you
face getting into a job. Surely that's a good thing
for you going forward.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Well, it is a good thing going forward. But we're
still dealing with surgery from their assault over a year ago.
And I have my guys, they have on my file
all my qualifications, all these bits and pieces that I'm
qualified under, but I must still attend seminars to be

(16:33):
able to be shown how to dress for an interview,
how to speak in an interview, how to approach questions
in an interview, and how to answer questions in an interview.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
And you're you're and you're happy with that, and you
want to go along to those to give yourself the
best opportunity of getting a jobs that were you saying, oh.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
Exactly, I mean, I'm more than happy to do that.
But the thing that is quite interesting with it to
be polite. As I turn up dressed as I would
for a normal interview, even though it's a caseworkers that
I'm dealing with, instantly looked at as well, do you
work at WINS or how are you And it's like, well, no,

(17:14):
I'm here to do a seminar and they look at
you like, well, what are you doing dressed?

Speaker 8 (17:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well, thank you so much for your call, Savannah. It
sounds like you've had an extraordinary amount of bad luck there.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, absolutely, oh. On one hundred eighty ten eighty. Also
keen to hear from employers what is the standard of
applications that you're getting for jobs that you do have available.
I mean, it is a big increase eight thousand new
people on the jobs that could benefit in the September quarter,
and the government want to reduce that drastically by next year.
That's a big task, isn't it. Lots of texts coming

(17:50):
through on nine two ninety two. Guys, why couldn't she
keep the subway job because she was angry at being
told what to do by younger people. Yeah, well, I mean, well,
this is why it's tough, isn't it. I mean, look,
I listened to what Savannah had to say, and clearly
she's had a bad run. If you take her out
a word, and that's all we can do. But if
it is a subway job to take in the interim,

(18:12):
why you look for something better aligned to whatever skills
you've got. Then, to me, I can understand that. And
when I was on the job, I taken that job.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, well, well you can understand why she wouldn't want
to work with a manager that was younger than her.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
No, no, no, no, I can under no. I can
understand that text saying that if that job was available,
and they said, yep, we want to take you on, Yeah,
take the job.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh you've got it.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, it's money, it's more money than on the job
seeker benefit.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Of course, you've got it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It's twenty six past one.

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Speaker 3 (19:33):
Good afternoon, it is twenty nine past one and we're
talking about the changes the job seeker benefits a lot.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I'll go to some text here nineteen nine two. A
lot of jobs advertised on Trading and Seat do not
show the pay rate on offer. At the interview, they
will ask you how much the position is worth. This
is unfair as they will decide whether you get the
job based on your answer, you know, and that is
that is unfair that when you ask, you know, I
always think that if you go to a job interview
and then they say what do you think I should

(20:00):
get paid here? Because that's that's a race to the bottom,
isn't it, Because you'll say what you know? You shall
You'll say what a lower rate to get the job?
Potentially there should be an amount that you're going to pay.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
People to advertise it on seek. Yeah, I agree, Gavin,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (20:16):
Didn't make yourself?

Speaker 11 (20:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Good? So what's your story?

Speaker 5 (20:20):
So basically about two years ago, maybe a little bit
more than that now, I was in a quite a
good corporate job working for an automotive manufacturer, making I
would say quite good money, a roughly one hundred and
fifty to one hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year.
I had a head injury and now I can't work,

(20:43):
so I haven't now able to work for that two
years just because of what's going on until that can
get stuff fixed. And basically since then, I've been on
four hundred and something dollars a week. I can't give
you the exact number, and they've made me drain all
my savings, all my keV savor everything, and I still

(21:07):
can barely get help even if I ring the bloody
phone line. If I'm like, oh, the four hundred and
eight dollars a week didn't cover my expenses this week,
I need some help with something, they go NAT and
I think that, you know, there should be a little
bit more help there for some people. I'm not saying

(21:28):
for everyone, but like I went from kind of zero
to hear our hero to zero very quickly, and there
was no help. Oh you've got money, spend that before
you get anything from us. And the four hundred odd
dollars a week that I get now doesn't even pay
for my water power and rates.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Bill now given after you. I'm sorry to hear about
your brain injury. That's that's that's really tragic, and all
the best with that. What kind of work are you
capable of doing? If you don't mind me asking.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
At the moment, at the moment, I'm not able to
I'm not allowed to drive because I have seizures. I
can't go into a job because if someone goes, oh,
if he's going to have a seizure, I don't want
him because it could happen once a week, could have
been twice, we could have been three times a week.
We don't know when they're going to happen. Yeah, but
they're sort of on a weekly or bi weekly basis

(22:24):
that I will have one because of my head injury.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
And so did did a CC come to help you
out at all?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Not at all? Their users of tips on a ball
if we're honest, can.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
You do you mind us telling us Kevin, how the what?
What the details of the injury? I mean, you don't
have to, but just out of interest, for.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
I was chasing my dog down the stairs and my
slipped on a lot on weak stairs and just went
backwards and banged.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
And so just going back to the ACC and clearly
you've had a fight with that organization. But that to
most people would be covered by a CC.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yes, but they won't cover it because I already had
epilepsy prior, right, so my epilepsy was under control perfectly
fine for the last fifteen years. I'm only thirty five, like,
I'm not an old man. And because they said, oh
you're having more sieges, that's because of your head injury

(23:29):
pre existing condition. You already had epilepsy, so you had
sieges before that.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So, Gvin, you're now on a sickness benefit? Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Yes? Well, no, no, no, no, they won't let that happen.
I'm on a job seeker benefit. They won't put me
on the sickness benefit. Although I go to my doctor
every three months and he gives me another two years.
They won't take that as gospel. They go, oh, well no,
in three months, you've got to go to your doctor again.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Well that's tough.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Here sounds like a very complicated situation, but.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
They make it more difficult than it should be. I believe.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, well, Gavin, good luck to you. Yeah, incredibly complex
situation for Gavin, and all the best to my friends.
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Plenty of texts coming through on nine to
nine two Giday, guys. I am on a job seeker
support in my early fifties in christ Church and have

(24:26):
been since April and have numerous vehicle licenses, including Class
two and four for twenty years and a CV with
four references on it. I've applied for at least eighty
jobs since with just one interview and unsuccessful and rang
the employer and they insinuated it was my age, thanks
from Derek. That is tough.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, eighty jobs and any what was it eighty eighty?
Here we go eighty applied for eighty jobs and only
got one interview. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, I mean,
what can you do though? You can't really stop. You've
got to keep going. Yeah, You've got to keep applying
for jobs.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It is a sign of the times, isn't it. There's
a lot of people out there who are going through
that same thing.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
I e.

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Speaker 3 (26:29):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty two minutes to two.
We're talking about the changes to the job Seek benefits.
There's been quite an increase in the number of people
on that benefit in the September quarter up eight thousands,
and the government introducing new changes effectively wrap around support
to try and get more people off that job seeker

(26:49):
benefit and into work.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
So the case manager and job seek will be required
to come up with a personalized plan, including an a
greed set of actions and timeline for their completion. Many
of those who are at risk of long term wealthare
dependency have complex backgrounds and may require more help to
address all the issues affecting their employability as the thoughts
that are coming through here from the government, and you know,

(27:14):
so that you know the cause we're getting here is
that every situation is incredibly complex. We've got Gavin who
was just run through before, who has suffered from epilepsy
and then hits his head and as a result can't
get acc someone takes through here, Gavin's situation isn't complicated.
It's simply another example of quasi corporate government. I mean,

(27:35):
I don't know, I'm not an euroscientist. I'm want to
say someone with hitting their head and starting to have
more seizures than usual is pretty complicated.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, I.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Think it's a fair statement to say that's complicated.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, yeah, and it kind of you know, obviously, Gavin's
situation is far more complicated than a lot of people
on the job seek a benefit. And I mentioned before
when I was on it for a couple of months
after the GFC I was made redundant. Would this have
helped me? Perhaps not, but I like it. I mean
maybe it would have that if it was personalized and say,
hey Tyler, we can see that you've got this degree,
here are where your skills lie. We're going to try

(28:11):
and help you find a job in that arena.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Help.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
You can see the logic to it, can't you. So
job plans will dig deeper than someone's previous work experience
and availability, giving them a proper assessment of their needs
and structure they need to address their risk factors. So
currently one percent of jobs seekers are in the red
level of the traploic system, with more than ninety eight
percent and the green level. So the red level is
when you're in danger of having sanctions. But I mean

(28:38):
there's sort of a chicken and egg situation because when
the economy is good, then jobs are easier to find.
And you know, there's an argument that some in some
economic situations no matter what you do, certain people aren't
going to be able to find work right. But for
people's own mental health and their own well being, isn't

(28:59):
it better that there's people reaching out to you. So
currently there's ten thousand you know, consultants consultations happening on
the phone. So up to Upstince said the Ministry of
Social Development was now offering phone based case management to
ten thousand people and they would be the first to
get an individual job brand isn't that better that you've

(29:21):
got a case manager talking to you on your phone
and trying to find a solution for you. Maybe in
actuality it doesn't work out like that, but in principle
that seems the right thing to do. And we all
know that bureaucy goes a certain way, and there's better
case managers than they're not than others, and some of
it becomes just box ticking, but the general idea of

(29:44):
it's pretty good. Isn't it that people would work individually
and cater their plan to each person's specific situation, including
their past run ins with the justice system, et cetera.
Doesn't that seem like, at the very base level, quite
a good thing to be trying to do.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I absolutely agree with everything that you said and non principle, Yeah,
it's a fantastic idea that you get a phone call
from someone who's competent at WINS and looks at your
CV and says, hey, you've got some great skills and
areas where and we know that there's some jobs about
to come to the table. Because WINS gets heads up
from some employers, then they give you everything that you

(30:26):
need to try and get that job. But that's all
I'm questioning. Is that the case for those on the
job seeker benefit?

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Now?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I hope it is. I really hope it is. But
that is what I'm asking now, if you're on the
job seeker benefit, is that what you're seeing?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
If you're a.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Skilled person and you've got skills and areas where there
probably are jobs in some parts of the country, are
you getting that assistance now?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
And are you being And I guess there are questions
like are you willing to move?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Because if you're not, then that puts you in an
interesting category, a slightly different category from someone that will
do anything to get a job. But I'm my question
for you, Tyler, is do you think that this is okay?
How do I put this are how much do you
think that the government and the country owes you to
find you a job? And how much do you think

(31:11):
it's your job to find a job? If you know
what I'm saying, it's good on a percentage, Well, just
your thoughts on it. Really, So, when you were on
the job seeker benefit, how much of it did you
think was the responsibility of your case worker and WINS
to find you the job and help to facilitate you
through the job. And you talked about how they sent

(31:32):
you with a stupid EXCEL course that you didn't think
help you at all. How much of that did you
think was there responsibility and how much of it did
you think was your responsibility to find the job.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
It's a great question. I thought one hundred percent my responsibility.
And when they sent me to that EXL course, I thought,
this is a joke, this is just ticking a box.
The only way I'm going to find a job is
doing it myself and getting out there.

Speaker 13 (31:52):
And I did.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I'm dozens of applications. I got lucky within a couple
of months. But to the point I'm trying to make
is I thought that was a waste of my time.
That time was better spend getting you know, getting down
to businesses, knocking on doors and presenting my CV. Instead,
they wanted to send me to courses that I didn't
need to go to, to tick a box to make

(32:13):
sure I was still getting that benefit. Well, that is
the distinction.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
This person is disagreeing with me that I think that
the intention is good here by saying no, man, this
is designed to kick you off by putting time limits
on unreasonable tasks and any and every little thing. So
that's the opinion that some people have that the whole
thing's set up. It's not as a way to work
with the case manager to find what you need to

(32:36):
get a job. Some people say it's a plan to
come up with a bunch of hurdles that people can't
get over so they can get.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Kicked off potentially.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Well. Good discussion O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is a numbered call. We've got some messages to plan,
then we'll get back to your phone calls. It is
a quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
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Speaker 3 (33:04):
It is thirteen to two.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm still thinking about that call from Savannah where she's
got her house in the neighbor's house burnt down. She's
been injured running in to get her dog out and
that stopped and making it to her case manager meeting
and she's been kicked off doll for that and she's
held up at gunpoint. There's a lot going on there.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
We've had some complicated scenarios. That's your Josh, how are
you my friend?

Speaker 9 (33:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (33:27):
Hey, boys house gone?

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (33:28):
Good?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Now you've recently joined the que have you for job seeker?

Speaker 14 (33:32):
Yeah? May I'm in the confessional now, No, yes, I have. Unfortunately,
there was restructuring going on at work and yeah, and
I sort of got the short straw there and yeah,
so now I'm on the hunt. But hey, what I
find interesting is the emails of declining of jobs is

(33:57):
saying you're too qualified for this kind of work. We
are only looking for this kind of person.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
So yeah, I'm getting a lot of that.

Speaker 14 (34:05):
I'm getting a lot of these offers around temporary casual
contracts too, which I'd like to just mention these contracts
I'm afraid to sign because if I sign a temporary
contract for what they call an agency, I can't sign
up for permanent work in my field for three years

(34:28):
with any other business. So I'm sort of like I'm
stuck because the jobs that I'm looking at start in
January February, and all the jobs I can find now
are temporary casual. If I sign an agreement with their company,
it's going to block me from getting my job in February.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Josh, you don't mind me if you don't mind me
asking what sort of area you're working? Are you looking
to work in or did you.

Speaker 14 (34:56):
I work and mental health. I've been a support worker
for about five years, and yeah, so I'm looking at
either support work or even like orderly type positions and hospitals,
things like that, care at jobs, things like that.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
And there is And that's that's interesting because I just
thought that we were we didn't have enough of people
like yourself for the demand.

Speaker 14 (35:26):
That's right, But unfortunately we have funding, right, and those
funding going cycles, and when they run out of money,
they're just like, well, hey, look we could get rid
of Josh, and then we could get two people. Yeah,
they's a solid idea and that's what you get. So
unfortunately that stuff happens. You know, they're trying to find

(35:50):
cares for under thirty dollars an hour, and I just
can't afford to live on less than thirty dollars an hour.
So it's unfortunate. And what they're doing is that they're
actually they're actually putting people that are not qualified into
caring positions. I don't know where the.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Stuff.

Speaker 14 (36:12):
It's the fan over that at some point, and yeah,
like I say, hey, look, I would happily do casual
work between now and February, but I'm not going to
block myself from getting a permanent position with a permanent
contract because I've signed something with another company and then

(36:33):
they're going to pay thousands. They actually, if you decide that,
like as an example, you did sign that temporary contract
and you did find a permanent job saying in a hospital,
you would have to convince your employer to pay that
company out or they can find the company can find
who hires you, which is ridiculous. I just think that's

(36:55):
a monopoly on employers on employees. And yeah, I don't
think we should be forcing people into temporary casual contracts
either actually with those kind of problems associated with the
with the contracts as.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Are you so you well, well you're trying to work
on the other you know, finding a job in the
field that you're trained for and best of luck with that.
Are you looking for work in other areas?

Speaker 14 (37:30):
Oh, mate, I haven't had a crystal soft in six years.
So to be honest with you, like I'll do landscaping,
I could do anything you know on which I which
I have done a couple of small jobs, but I
don't want to sign any contract that locks me into
a position where I can't work for a proper job

(37:51):
when they come up.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, Josh, all the best of your mate, and thanks
for giving us a call. Well eight one hundred and
eighty teen eighty is the number to call Keen to
hear from you on this one as well. It is
eight minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Mattie Tyner Adams speaking your calls on oh eight hundred
even Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
News Talks it be it is five minutes to two.
A couple of texts came through A nine two nine
to two ghetto matt and Tyler. While Savannah may be
telling the truth of the side of hyperbole. At times,
her story shows that the system is too linear, the
one size fits all approach which we see in so
many other sectors around our Teeroa farming, for example, shows

(38:34):
the inability to empathize with people who find find themselves
on hard times.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
And this other text there on nine two nine says,
to be honest, if you've continue talking to Savannah, a
purple dringer breathing a purple dragon breathing candy floss smoke,
would have also sorry, would have also adducted her dog.
Can can't help some people?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, yeah, Well, that's been an enlightening discussion, I've got
to say, Matt. I mean, the proof will be in
the pudding at the end of the day, when it
comes to whether these new restrictions will get more people
off the jobs that could benefit I think that's what
we all want, will want more people into jobs, and
we want them to not have hurdles put in front
of them.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Well yeah, and I honestly think that the intention here
is to actually help people by catering their advice and
to getting people back into work. But the actuality of
it might be very different, and it turns out that
when the economy is going really well, it's a lot
easier to get people into jobs. And when the economy

(39:34):
is going.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Poorly, yeah, absolutely survive until twenty five, as they say.
Right after two o'clock, we want to talk about wearables.
These are your apple watches and your fitbits and the
aura rings bit of concern from doctors in the UK
and the US about over reliance on that data in
your day to day lives. So the question we want
to put you is are they beneficial to your health?

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
So they think they're concerned that everyone's monitoring themselves constantly
as creating hypochondriacs that are turning into Google Doctor, but
also having their full analysis on them all the time.
So let's talk about that. I'm a big fan of
my Apple Watch.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. You're listening
to matt and Tyler Good Afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Savvy.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Tuesday.
Seven pass too, right, let's have a chat about wearables.
These are your Apple watches, your fitbits, your Aura rings.
I think they are in the country now. This is
on the back of a story in the BBC. So
wearable tech, currently dominated by smart watches, is a multi
billion dollar industry, as most of us know, with a
sharp focus on health tracking. It's been huge over the

(40:51):
past five years. Many premium products claim to accurately track
exercise routines, body temperature, heart rates, menstrual cycle and sleep patterns,
among others, for many doctors and tech experts remaining cautious
about using health data captured these wearables. So Doctor Jake
dush he's a US based clinician but also advisors AURA,

(41:16):
says wearable data enables him to assess overall health more precisely,
but not all doctors agree that it's genuinely useful all
of the time. Doctor Halen Salisbury, she's a GP at
a busy practice in Oxford in the UK. She says
not many patients come in brandishing their wearables, but she's
noticed that has increased and it does concern her. She says,

(41:37):
I quote, I think for the number of times when
it is useful there's probably more times that it's not
terribly useful, and I worry that we are building a
society of hypochondria and over monitoring our bodies. It's a
big call from a doctor.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Well, doctor, it's my body. I'll monitor any part of
it I want get out.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
You're loving your new Apple Watch. It is one of
the new models, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I'm monitoring something right now. I'm not sure what it is,
but in five seconds it's going to tell me something
about myself.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Oh is this the breath work?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Is it poor recording? Your ECG couldn't be checked for
a trual fribillation due to the quality of the recording.
Will still be saved?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
And what does the ECG do?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
It's me.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'm going to use them monitoring, but I don't use
that for that. I mean, I mean, like say, say,
you know, and there's different levels of these wearables, right,
and the different things that they can do, like this
the Apple Watch heart rate and the regular rhythm rhythm
notifications that can do that for you. The ECG app
I just tried to run that but didn't work. Low
cardio fitness notifications, blood oxygen level, full detection. Fall detections are,

(42:40):
for god, a good one. Mine always tells me that
I've fallen over if I'm trying to I was trying
to change some Christmas lights today and it started going emergency.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Doesn't it call one one one when you fall over?
Is that part of the deal?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, My dad's My dad's got this whole new system
set up that will call me and my sisters if
anything goes wrong. It actually called at his brother's adth
when my cousin Peter gave him too big a hug
and that fired off to everyone.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I was a strong hugger.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
But I don't mind have been caleirated that carefully I want.
I don't mind being woken up when when something weird's happened.
That isn't my dad in trouble for the for the
one time that the phone call comes through and ears
in trouble obviously, like anyone would be doing that. But
that's that's a different type of thing. I don't know.
I think these things are These things are fantastic. I
think being aware of your health is a really really

(43:28):
good thing, isn't it. So this doctor's worry that we're
going to have hypercontracts we've already got hyperchondriacs. Hyperchondriacs are
going to be hyperchondriax and a little bit more information
on what's happening in your life. But I think most
people use these wearables like a fitbit or Apple Watch,
just to count how many steps they do in a day,
to see how active they are, or my Apple Watch
will tell me when I've been sitting down for too long.

(43:49):
And one of the biggest things that's happened to us
in recent years, and one of the reasons why we're
we're having problems with fitness and obesity and stuff, is
we go into a completely vegetative state. We're sitting on
the couch and we're watching Netflix or watching Netflix on
a on a laptop, and we just don't move at all.
We don't even get up to change throte, we don't
do anything at all, and as a result, we just

(44:11):
have metabolism slows right down. But standing up even once
an hour is hugely beneficial for you. Right, So this
isn't high level technology. It's just a timer that goes
off about once an hour and says stand up.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, Is that why you keep getting up every every hour?
Just having a week water around.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I'm trying to watch trying to complete my rings. Mate.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
The one thing I got obsessed with when I have
my Apple Watch and I've still got it, but i
haven't worn it since I've been in Auckland. I've got
to be honest. My health is probably taken a downturn
in the past three months since I've been here. But
the one thing I got obsessed with. They call it
VO two max and it's measured by you Apple Watch.
And I only got obsessed by that because the doctor
has name's Peter Attia, quite a renowned doctor, written a
lot of books. But he said that is the one

(44:53):
measure that is most important when assessing your longevity. And
I took that to hard and started watching this VO
two max and it didn't change at all. It went
hard for some a month. What is VO two max
The amount of oxygen that you can retain in your lung,
so it's kind of like your fitness level. But I
worked on that for six months, thinking why the hell
is my VO two max actually going backwards? I was

(45:14):
running every day, climbing hills. Then I went to go
get it tested at a proper clinic and turned out
was actually pretty good, so my watch was in accurately measuring.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
So the VO two max is the number that describes
your cardio respiratory fitness. It's a single number that captures
your heart, lungs, circle of your system and muscle cells
working independently and together. And your phone was telling you
it wasn't changing. But it turned out you were sweet ass.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, it was frustrating, as my VO two was pretty
good by the time I measured it properly. But the
fact that I got so obsessed by that number and
looking the weed track and the graph and it ended
up going down even though I was running every day,
climbing up bills, that was just something that I took
far too seriously.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I would love to hear from people also, you know,
trainers and doctors and people that are using these weariables,
whether it is making you healthier, whether it is making
you paranoid, whether you're becoming a hypochondriac but because of it,
whether you're seeing genuine benefits. Because I certainly know a
lot of people that are counting their steps a lot,

(46:14):
but they don't seem very healthy.

Speaker 14 (46:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I mean, if you're counting your steps to the pub
and then pounding a bunch of beers and slamming some chips.
Then those steps aren't great steps.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Well, that's the thing as well, because of those rings.
I know people that would sit on a couch and
bang their rest up and down just to increase their
so called steps to have their rings. That's what a
god to.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
That's a psychopath. So they think they're fooling themselves.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Now and they're just trying to clear their rings.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
So they do this, so they think multiple times, do
they take it in there that they're completing their rings
to impress their watch. So that's like, you know, that's
the weirdest woman of cheating I've ever heard. That's great though.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
On the oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've
got to wear able and Apple watch, has it been
beneficial to you and your overall health? Love to hear
from you. It is thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
You're on new home of Afternoon Tormathen Adams Afternoon call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
They'd be good afternoon, sixteen past two. We're talking about wearables,
Apple watches, fit bits. There is concern from some doctors
in the UK and the US that we're building a
society of hypochondriacts because we're measuring everything, But have they
been beneficial for you and your health? Love to hear
from you on I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, So
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 15 (47:33):
So they're not too bad?

Speaker 7 (47:34):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 15 (47:35):
Hey, look, I'll only take up for a second of
your time because it is a bit of the subject
as far as fitfits and things go, because I don't
have any of those those contractions. It was more comment
on doctors and basically how they really don't want you
to monitor your own health and sort of feel threatened
when you do so, because I've had a couple of

(47:55):
years of terrible, terrible health problems and basically given up
on sort of doctors because all they all they're trying
to do is medicate you. And you know, you go
in with a symptom and they'll medicate that symptom. I've
done all my own research, I've done all my own
I've still got a way to go, but I'm getting there.
And if I listen to what doctors say, I just
be on painkillers for the rest of my life. They

(48:16):
really don't They just don't have the training and nutrition
or anything else, and they just don't want you to like,
you know, my doctor's not so bad. But some of
them just don't want you going in there with your own,
you know, information. They want to tell you that, you
know again, they don't like they don't like doctor Google.

Speaker 13 (48:31):
They don't like you.

Speaker 15 (48:32):
Coming in with your information and questioning them and doing
your own I don't think there's anything wrong with being
a hypochondact. I mean, I'm a little bit obsessed with
my numbers, with my blood numbers.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
You know.

Speaker 15 (48:43):
I go and get all my blood tests. I pay
for them because the doctors won't refer me. But you know,
I wouldn't be my friend. I wouldn't be in the situation.
I am now feeling a hundred times better if I
just did.

Speaker 16 (48:54):
What they told me to.

Speaker 15 (48:56):
You've got to look after yourself. They haven't got the time,
the knowledge, the inclination in fifteen minutes to be doing
all the tests that you need to be an optimal health.
So I say all powered to you. You know you
can get obsessed, but you're certainly not a hypochondriact. I
just think, go for it. Just look after yourself. The
earlier the better, I you know, gosh, I'm paying for

(49:19):
bad behavior now and at fifty nine, I'm finally you know,
working on myself. But it's about time.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (49:27):
All I want to say about doctors, they really just
they they do their six yies of training and doing
nutrition in that time, and they they know a little
bit about little you know, every part of the body.
But I just think, take take your own health into
your own hands and just heal yourself and monitor yourself
and as soon as you start the better.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Oh, thank you so much for your call. So, I mean,
it is a pretty crazy thing for this, these doctors
to be saying that they don't want people monitoring themselves,
because I mean, it's your heartbeat, it's your it's your everything,
it's your ECG, it's your low cardio fitness notifications, as
your blood level. You can monitor them if you want,

(50:11):
and you happen to be if you happen to turn
into a hypercontriac, that's your choice as well.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people that don't wear
it to bed at night, and the reason they don't
is because they worry that if they get a bad
sleep score that is going to make their insomnia. Words
that they're going to look at that and start to worry, Say,
cheap has only got five hours sleep last night, and
that's going to be a bit of a snowball efect.
You don't wear yours to be at an idea, No, no,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
But I am very focused on sleep at the moment.
I've been talked about this on the show before. I've
decided to make sleep the main focus of my life,
so to the point where if there's even a single
light now in my room, I'm going around with a
little bit of tape and covering it up, you know,
like even a tinily light on a charger, a light
on a multi box, I'm putting a little bit of

(50:55):
electrical tape on that complete darkness. And I talked about
this on the show about a month ago about I
watched this YouTube clip and it was this guy saying,
become a sleep champion. Make it your focus to become
really good at sleeping. And one thing he did say
was when you do wake up in the middle of
the night, don't check your phone to see how much

(51:17):
how long you've slept or how much longer you've got
just because then you get stressed out about that. You
go I've only got two more hours of sleep or
before I have to get up or whatever. This thing
he just was really advocating for this thing that I've
been doing. And I've mentioned it before, but it's the
breathing in for four seconds, holding for seven seconds, then

(51:37):
breathing out for nine seconds, and just slowing your heart
beat down. It's a really good way to slow your
heart beat round, because you can't sleep if your heart's
beating too fast. So if you get up for the
bathroom or whatever, concentrate when you get back into bed
on slowing your heart beat down through that kind of breathing.
Things like that absolutely, so I can kind of see
what you might be saying. If you get too stressed

(51:57):
out about monitoring your sleep while you're asleep, that's bad.
But I don't think it'd be so bad to wake
up next morning and go, well, I didn't get enough
sleep or I didn't get this there. As long as
you put into practice the things that are going to
make you get a better sleep the next night.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
This is therapy for me because I'm a terrible sleep
and that must have taken some months to get right though. Man,
that when you became a champion of sleep yep, and
it didn't go so well for the first couple of nights,
and thinking why isn't this work? And I've got the
blackout curtains, I'm not looking at my phone. I'm doing
the breathing work. You just got to stick with it.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, well, no, it works really quickly. That breathing works
really quickly. That is a game changer that when you
get back into bed, if you've gone to the bathroom
or whatever, that you just slow your heart date down
with the breathing and then you will just slide off
to sleep. That's just something very practical you can do.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear from
you about your Apple watch or your fit that has
it been of benefit to your overall health? Nine two
nine till it's the text number. It's twenty two past two.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talks.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I'd be we're talking about wearables, fitbits, Apple watches, et cetera.
Because some doctors in u caves said that they don't
support them because people are using them to monitor their
own house and becoming hypochondriacs, Amanda, your experiences with the
Samsung Galaxy Watch.

Speaker 16 (53:19):
Yes, and the same sun So. Six years ago, my
husband had a Fitbit watch and it started alerting him
that there was something wrong, so he checked and his
heart rate was over one hundred and fifty bats a minute.
So we got him to the hospital and they diagnosed
him with artual liberation, which is a regular heartbate heart rate.
And the doctor at the time said, yet the watches,

(53:40):
you know that they are sometimes sometimes I'm not so.
Six years down the Tracker Share, my husband transferred from
to a Samsung Galaxy and I've been known to me
for twelve hours his phone was alerting as his watch
was alerting him when he was at work, and when
he came home that I said to him, he said, oh,
something off my watch, and I checked it and his

(54:01):
heart rate was over one hundred and sixty beats a minute,
and it turned out for twelve hours his heart rate
was over one hundred and sixty free a minute. So
he got him straight to the hospital and they couldn't
get his heart to restart, so they actually had to
restart his heart after a number of different procedures that
didn't work, and the doctor said to us that if

(54:21):
we hadn't got him to the hospital when we did,
he would have had had his heart damage after his
heart rate being more than one hundred and sixty bits
a minute for twelve hours.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
And so you think, so you wouldn't And how is
he now, Amanda, Yeah, he's fine.

Speaker 16 (54:36):
And the thing is, both of them he never had
any symptoms. Both times, no symptoms and all the only
thing we knew was his watch was telling him there
was a problem.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So if he hadn't had that watch, are you concerned
that you just wouldn't have done anything? You wouldn't have No, no, no.

Speaker 16 (54:50):
No, because he had no symptoms. And the doctor at
the hospital said he would have been having heart damage
after the twelve hours and we hadn't gone to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
One hundred and sixty is that?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
So that was a resting heart rate he was he
was doing one hundred and sixty while he was resting.

Speaker 16 (55:07):
Wo Yeah, so they said he was like doing a
marathon for twelve hours, whereas heart was concerned, unreal.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
And so while that was happening, there was no sort
of symptoms that he was feeling at the time, saying
to you Amanda, I'm feeling a bit off here.

Speaker 16 (55:24):
Nothing at all. When he worked, he was fine, other
than there's just watch alerting him that there was a problem,
and he's not good of technology, so he didn't think
too much of it. And it's only when he came
home and said to me, and I was like, oh,
let me check because this How long has this been
going for? He said, oh, since last night. And I'm like,
why didn't you say something? Oh, I didn't know what
it was. And yeah, there was no symptoms at all.

(55:45):
And the doctor said, we're were lucky. Watching about the
best thing ever.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
That's a huge advertisement for having something around your wrist.
That's that's reading your your heart rate.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And so just quickly, Amanda, you mentioned
before then if I'm just going to check mine now
you guys are talking, Yeah, yeah, please do that, mat
So just quickly mention if you didn't make it to
the doctor and get it assessed by a within twelve hours,
he would have had damage to his heart and potentially
what a heart attack down the track, very very recently
down the track.

Speaker 16 (56:14):
Yeah, absolutely, So they couldn't get his heart to come
back to normal. They try medication and flying through a
straw upside down, which is normal, and then they actually
had to rest out the heart and they said, yep,
he would have had started getting heart damage if we
hadn't gone to the hospital, and we did so with
them telling me twenty minutes fater, we're at the hospital.
They took them and straight away and it took them

(56:35):
about three hours to try and get his heart rate down.

Speaker 11 (56:37):
Then they just.

Speaker 16 (56:38):
Quipn't so in the end they just rest out of
the heart pedals. Well, so you've got now the best thing.
I had no bom spinning for five hundred dollars on
a watch. If it means my husband's.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Lived one hundred, Thank you so much for sharing your
stories of Amanda. That is the best advertising. I think
that that pretty much finishes the argument for these speeds.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
What are these doctors now over in the US and
the UK. But there's plenty more stories coming through.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, and just in case you're wondering, and maybe if
there is a doctor they can tell me if this
has good to bad my heart it's currently going at
fifty five bpm. Fifty five yeah, is that too slow?

Speaker 3 (57:15):
It's like yes, like Olympian level, wasn't it that's a
pretty good resting heart rate. How much caffeine have you
ad none.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I'm just eating, I'm just drinking one of my massage
energy drink high caffeine supplements.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
So if you're a listening right now, what is that?

Speaker 7 (57:27):
Man?

Speaker 2 (57:27):
What's a good resting heart rate?

Speaker 11 (57:29):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (57:29):
On thet thing under sixty is you're pretty fit by this?
My understanding.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Here we go, we'll look into this. We'll give back
anything between between fifty five and eighty five. If for
most healthy adults between fifty five and eighty five beats perman,
it's pretty good. Yeah, well, someone on the fifty five
and in the.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Lower range eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if
you want to tell us your heart rate as well,
we're up for at ninety two. Ninety two is the text.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
And we've got someone on the line coming up very
soon who says that has has wearables. We're making them paranoid.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
It is twenty nine past two.

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Speaker 3 (59:20):
Thank you very much. Raileen twenty seven to three. We're
talking about the rise of wearables. Your Apple watches, you fit.
But doctors out of the UK and the US are
starting to be concerned by the obsession some people have
with them. Doctor Helen Salisbury is a GP out of Oxford.
She says that, I quote, I think for the number
of times when it's useful, there's probably more times that

(59:41):
it's not terribly useful. And I worry that we are
building a society of hyperchondriacs. I love to hear your experiences.
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, Well the story of Anne where her husband's was Anne,
wasn't it we her husband's heart Amanda, Amanda, Sorry, we
went up to one hundred and sixty and so they
they won a resting rate and took them into hospital
and it was thank god they did. And we've got
a bunch of other texts coming through here. So I
think at the very least that having a knowledge of
what your heart resting heart raders is pretty important.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Absolutely, we're pretty helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I mean you can get by with out of it.
It's helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yeah, Now, Leon, you think these watchers made you a
bit paranoid.

Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
Well, yeah, I've got diagnosed with as well about six
seven years ago, and I had a couple of I
had an operation to try and give me back into timing,
and that didn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
And you've got sorry, Leon, you've got you got diagnosed
with what was.

Speaker 9 (01:00:36):
That sorry, atrial fibulations yea, yeah, yeah. And I also
had my heart restarted numerous times in that process as well.
Would they do that recently regularly? None of those things
could get me back into timing. And in the end,

(01:00:58):
my surgeon, who is one of the best and often said,
you know, maybe you're not that old, you're pretty, you're
not overweight. The best thing you can do is just
get over wait the state that you'll be all right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Mm hm.

Speaker 9 (01:01:13):
So that's pretty much how I've operated for the last
fix years. But I started wearing a sid to keep
an eye on things, and it really did make me
completely paranoid. I just spent my life looking at and
it's a it's a real waste of time if you've
got actual circulation, because your heart wreck goes all over
the place. I can look at one thing that could

(01:01:33):
be eighty something, and then the next thing it could
be underreported and I looked at it again two seconds
later and it's back to seventy six. Yeah, So for
me it was yeah, it just became I just became paranoid.

Speaker 12 (01:01:46):
So I just stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
So what do you suggest? What is what is the best?
So you know, you want to keep your weight down
and stay reasonably healthy, But you know, how regularly do
you see a doctor about this situation?

Speaker 9 (01:01:59):
I try and keep in touch with them ever a year.
They do a few tubs to say. What they do
is they stick you on a thing for the hold,
which is whole series of things on your chest with
wires and you kind of walk around with the Scotch
for a day and it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:13):
Just monitors what happens when you do everything.

Speaker 9 (01:02:15):
You try and get a lot of stuff done to
the day and they check you and if there's anything
majorly irregular role that you know after that, it's always
been a right with me, m okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
So there's a there's a type of surgery that a
partner of my hands she had her heart was changing
speed massively and she went to Wakata and had this
surgery done. It was pretty full on. She had to
be walking on the treadmill while they burnt part of
her heart while she was still awake to so the
heart could regulate it. Are you familiar with that?

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
Yeah, well that's the same thing that I had, except
I wasn't awake and I wasn't walking on a treadmill.
But it's called a glat surgery.

Speaker 8 (01:02:56):
Yeah, and that's what I had.

Speaker 9 (01:02:59):
And basically I was under for I believe it was
under for about six or seven hours while they did that.
And when you've been under for that amount of time,
it takes a long time dur and cover. Like I
felt really vague for about three weeks after. I can
fairly operate that afterwards. And really, you know the thing

(01:03:21):
about that when he came around and he said to me, look,
you know, none of it's worked. He said, look, I
could go into the other chamber, because there's two chambers.
They can do that and we can try again. But
he said, look, it's going to be more full on
than the other one. And like I was fifty when
this was going on fifty six now, and I just thought, no,

(01:03:42):
I don't want to put myself through that again. And
he said, to be honest with you, maybe young enough,
you're fit enough, You're not so overweight. Keep that up
and you should be your eye. And the one thing
I have had to stop doing is I can't run anymore.
Like continuous exercise the real problems. But high intensity is good.
You know, I can do. I can see boxing, boxing workouts,

(01:04:05):
I can do you know all that kind of high
intensity stuff. Yeah, it's all right because you bring your
heart rate up and you bring it back down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
And you did your family want you to carry on
wearing that device so you could monitor it or how
did they feel about it?

Speaker 9 (01:04:18):
No, no one really gave me. Was was that concerned
about it. I mean, it's a funny one interesting what
your last caller said, because I didn't know I had
it either, and I had absolutely no symptom. And I
went to the doctor for a check up for overseas
one year and he put the you know, did the
usual heart chicken He went off, I think you're an
angial figulation. I went, what's that? And he told me.

(01:04:39):
And I was pretty fit at the time as well,
and he was just like, yeah, and I can't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
It's interesting because I've known people that have had you know,
and they will lose I guess so much oxygen gets
pumped to their heads that they'll sort of almost faint.
That can be something they can't it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:59):
It can be.

Speaker 9 (01:05:00):
And the only time where that happened to me is
I decided to go for a walk run one morning
and I walked all out and that I'll just run down.
So I did that and I got to the bottom
and it was when I had a fifth on and
I checked my pittment and I was at one hundred
and eighty cool, and I thought I should probably stop.

(01:05:20):
I stopped but week and I thought, well, this would
be just think it was five o'clock in the morning
and dark. But that's about the only time that happens.
But to be honest, I've got to say, the only
time I've really noticed the symptoms and when they are
doing something, when they are you know, the times that
I've been by the surgeons and stuff since I've since

(01:05:44):
he said that to me, and I've gone away and
keept myself but tried not to get too overweight. I
literally I don't hardly even notice it. Every now and
again I'll get an af episode and I'll breathe, breathe
through it. The same way you were talking about man
use exactly the same method.

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Well, thanks so much for sharing a story, Leon and
all the best going forward, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, thank you very much. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Love to eat all
thoughts about the wearables, the Apple watches and the fitbits.
Plenty of texts coming through on nine to ninety two. Giday. Guys,
if my watch was reading my heart rate at one
hundred and sixty beats per minute and have no symptoms,
I'd think the watch was broken and do nothing about it.
From JT.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Well, not much we can do about if you don't
trust the technology.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, it is twenty to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt ETHN Tyler Adams afternoons
News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
News Talks THEB. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
a number to call. We're talking about wearables. There are
some concern from doctors in the US and the UK
that we're relying too much on these things and becoming
a little bit obsessed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, and we're talking primarily so far about the reading
of heart rates, and you know, it's been very helpful
to a couple of people whose heart rates have gone
up very very high, and they've got themselves checked out.
Someone has just text through on nine two nine two,
Please Matt, can you say that breathing process again? Yeah?
So that was the that what I've been using this
is around sleeping though lowering my heart rate, because you

(01:07:12):
can't sleep when your heart's beating really fast. And it's
surprising how much your heartbeat will increase. Your heart rate
will increase just getting up to go to the bathroom
and sitting down again, and you line and be going
why can't I go to sleep? When it's because you've
hit being awake, resting heart rate not resting again.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
It takes a while to get it back down.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah. Yeah. So the way that I've read about it
and what's working for me is just to breathe in
through your nose for four, hold it for seven, and
breathe out for nine, and it slows your heart rate.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Felling better already. Yeah, Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Good time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
You're involved in the wearables industry?

Speaker 8 (01:07:54):
Good over there, fellas, How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Yeah, we're real good interested to chat to you. What's
the wearable that you that you work with?

Speaker 8 (01:08:02):
I worked for a pretty major brand. I'd rather not
actually say what branded as a parent, honest I would
tell you that that you know, not that not all
horses are in the same race, or you know, equal
the same race. When it comes to wearables, some some
wearables say that they'll do so, they'll do stuff, but
you know, it's the accuracy of the of the sensors

(01:08:25):
that they use and the metric that you're actually getting
off the white. So you know, for me and what
I see on a on a daily basis in my business,
you know, I deal with high performance New Zealand. I
deal with Olympic athletes, you know, rugby players, you know
that need to know how their body is responding to exercise,

(01:08:47):
and the every day Joe and Doanne who wanting to
see how well they sleep and how well they are
recovering from any exercise they make are taken. It's really
important to have a device that gives you good quality
metrics and not all not all wearables are the same.

(01:09:08):
Can just put that out there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
So when you talk about and that clearly there's a
big difference day between the everyday Joe's and Jane's that
you mentioned there in your athletes who may be at
the elite level, clearly they need to monitor everything that's
going on in their body to get the edge. But
for every day Joe L. Jane, is there not some
of your customers that may take it a bit too far,
get a bit obsessive once they start seeing these numbers

(01:09:32):
come in.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
Look, I think it's human nature.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
I mean, you can blame doctor Google for a lot
of that. You know, you feel like a twinge and
you google it in your neck minute, you've got a
tumor on your brain. And the reality is, look, the
body responds differently to different things that we do in life.
With your scare or runner or you know, a kayak
or whatever, and you know you've got these little twinges,

(01:09:57):
you'll get these little you know, pains and so forth.
But the most important thing is to get a product
that absolutely provides you with the best metrics. And there's
plenty of information and the health industry, and I'm talking
the medical industry that will validate various devices, and I
know my device absolutely. We've just come back from a

(01:10:20):
major medical conference in Prague. There's a lot of companies, industries, hospitals,
insurance companies that use my product because my brand because
it has true validity when it comes to giving you
good metrics. One of the FIGST metrics, the most important
metrics to for the Joe and Joanna out there is

(01:10:41):
how well you sleep. And it's not you know, you
can't monitor your sleep if your watches the side you're
charging on your bedside table. You've got to wear your
device at night because that's what that will give you
an indication of how well your body is performing post
it aside. So if you're if your oxygen saturation level

(01:11:06):
as dropping, that's good indication that maybe something's not right right,
quite right. So you've got to have a good wearable
that you wear at night that will monitor your oxygen
saturation you'll breathing during the night, and of course your
heart rate that's important as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Hey Dave, how does it? I always wonder about this,
How does a device monitor your oxygen saturation?

Speaker 8 (01:11:28):
So we have we have we have we have two.
We have different centers on the watch. One of them
is what they call the pulse OX and that is
a center that that monitors the amount of oxygen in
your blood as it passes through your veins on your wrist.
Now Elite athletes will use other devices but as well

(01:11:51):
as my device devices. But the reality is not all
pulse oximities are the same. So when you go to
the doctor and you stick that little thing on your finger,
on the end of your finger, that that's that's your pulse.
That's measuring the amount of oxygen in your blood. Now
that's a really important met to know because if, for example,
your heart's not working really well, then then potentially or

(01:12:15):
your your lungs aren't working because well, there's a good
indication that maybe something's not quite right. Doesn't mean anything's
majorly wrong, it just means that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
So and so it can detect that just by you know,
the variations and your heartbeat or the the you know,
the changes and rate of your heart beat or something
like that. That's how it's measuring it is it No, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:12:37):
It's a it's a it's a sensor specifically designed to
sense oxygen in your blood.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
Then there's another.

Speaker 8 (01:12:44):
Then there's another sensor on air wearables, which is obviously
your heart rate. So that's measuring the amount of amount
of beats that your heart you know, having making during
the night or post exercise or during exercise. You know,
you'll see a lot of athletes, runners, marathon runners, coast
to coasters, they'll they'll be using that they'll be using
those metris just to make sure that they're heading their target.

(01:13:07):
They may pace and so forth, so that they get
to you know, the whether they're competian and a speed
event or an ensurance event.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Interesting, and you're talking, you know, we we haven't named
your device, and we're not going to, but you're talking
about things on that device that you claim can measure
you know, those elements pretty accurately. But then when we
look at and we're not going to name the device again,
but some devices measure ECG, the electoro cardiogram, and when
I look at that sort of stuff, Dave, that can
be a bit dangerous, right, And I think a lot

(01:13:39):
of those wearables will say that it's not completely accurate.
But if people think that it may be more accurate,
then going to a hospital. Is that where we start
to get into danger territory a little bit?

Speaker 8 (01:13:50):
Correct, So so SG, the SG the wearables that kind
of have ECG, now that's a metric that is very
very dodgy for a lot of these wearables. You see
them on YouTube, you see them on Facebook, you see
them on Instagram and so forth. To get a real
ECG measurement, you need to have you need to have

(01:14:12):
any device put on your chest. And you know that's
done medically. You know, I think people get can get
carried away with seeing the pretty colors or the red
the red you know, the red lines.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I'm looking at it right, I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
How you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
So?

Speaker 8 (01:14:28):
Yeah, So you need to go with a brand that
absolutely has got credibility and that actually the the those
people that will be doctors and nurses are using and
elite athletes are using to get good quality metrics. And
that's the most important thing. Is so many other brands
out there that say they'll do something, but they're actually

(01:14:50):
not doing as well as job as you think.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah, great, thank you so much to be cool, Dave.
So I've just done my ECG, which David says is
not a reliable score, but it says this ECG does
not show signs of a trill. Trill.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
That's that af Yeah, Gavin, what was it aterial fibulare.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
And it said my average heart beat has gone down
to fifty two beats permanent.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Oh, getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
So I'm getting even less excited than I was before.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty. It is nine to three
bag fory surely listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
You've talked zed.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Bqueno News talk ed B. You've been a wearable phanatic
for some time, have you, well.

Speaker 11 (01:15:44):
About two and a half years. Yeah, So I acquired
my watch. It was a hand me down. So my son,
who's right into this sort of thing, he brought himself
the latest one, and so he handed me down this
old Apple watch. It's only your version two that doesn't
have some of those features that your previous caller was
talking about, as Matt was alluding to before. It does

(01:16:06):
have the the three rings on it with exercise and
and your stand hours, and I'm making my mission to
try and close those every day.

Speaker 14 (01:16:16):
Love it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:17):
I think part of it is setting a realistic target
for what you can achieve in a day and then
and then making sure that you do it. And I
think for me, you know, as you started on you
fit this journey about two and a half years, goes
way over weight, it was unfit and started to do
something about it. And the watch has been excellent and

(01:16:39):
just keeping me on track for making sure that I
get it done.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
And so with the sort of the original technology, Paul,
you say it's got the rings there, what else does
it measure? It doesn't have the ECG or the oxygen
levels in your blood or any any of that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Sort of stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:16:55):
Doesn't and it doesn't see the sleep thing either, so
I don't wear at night, which is good. But no,
it has everything else. I mean, it's got it's you know,
it's the original Apple version two. I have watched too,
so it's got you know, stead, it's got heart rate,
it's got lots all. It can calculate the VOH because
it can feed it into the into your phone so
they can work it out. But but yeah, it's actually

(01:17:17):
it's actually a really good for what I need, which
is a step beside minute.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree, Paul. It's sort
of the gamification of fitness, and you get a little
buzz when you've done it, and it keeps you honest,
and it's some way to check in if you don't
do it, you feel a little bit disappointed. I think
it's a fantastic thing. And it's making me walk up
the stairs here rather than taking the elevator, and that's
a big change.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:17:43):
Well, you know, I know that I'm only three quarters
way through my rings today.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
I had to go to the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
We'll get to it, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
You just in the dopamine hat of completing your rings,
and it's worth it.

Speaker 11 (01:17:59):
On the converse, if I can't, if I can't close
it for whatever reason, like I'm sick, I can't get
to the gym, whatever, I don't get anxiety about it.

Speaker 7 (01:18:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Nice, you're the perfect We're usable cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Thank you for your call, Paula, and we had great
discussion over the last hour.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Yeah, right after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, we're talking to doctor sal Murkogliano, who's maritime historian
at Campbell University in North Carolina. He's got his thoughts
on the Mana Wuanui auto pilot disaster, and let's just
say it's got a lot to do with Ezzie POD's
but it's a really really interesting theory that he's got
going on this on this whole situation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Looking forward to that, you're listening to Matt and Tyler.
Hope you're having a great afternoon. Three minutes to three.
We'll see you again soon.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New for twenty
twenty four News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Zibby, welcome back into the show. Great to have your company.
As always, it is seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
I'm excited about this. Doctor sale and Murkogliano is a
maritime historian at Campbell University, North Carolina, a former merchant
mariner and host of the What Is going On was
Shipping on YouTube. We reached out to him after enjoying
his international analysis of the Mono Anui autopilot disaster. Good afternoon, Sale,
Good afternoon, Nasal. Mono Nui was originally a commercial vessel

(01:19:20):
converted for the navy. Do you think that had a
bearing on the sinking?

Speaker 17 (01:19:24):
I think it did.

Speaker 18 (01:19:25):
The commercial vessel, the Eda Fomb, was designed for use
up in the North Sea by the Norwegians, and as
such it has a very unique propulsion system. It uses
a series of what's called azipods, and unlike conventional navy
vessels that have propellers and rudders as a pods require
a lot of training to be very proficient in their use. Plus,

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it has a sophisticated autopilot system that requires familiarity with it,
and it appears from the interim report given by the
Admiral in charge of Navy that there was a lacking
of knowledge in how to effectively shift from autopilot back
into manual control.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Such explain a little bit about how the azipods system
works compeded to a traditional Navy vessel.

Speaker 18 (01:20:14):
Sure, so in a traditional vessel you would have a
propeller and a rudder, turn the wheel and you kick
the stern out of the vessel with as a pods.
When you actually have individual control of the two as
a pods, and the propellers are kind of suspended below
the vessel and spin three hundred and sixty three hundred

(01:20:34):
and sixty degrees around so that you don't actually throw
a rudder per se. You can control the azipods individually,
or you can slay them together and put them on
single control through a knob. So it's a very unique system.
It takes a lot of familiarity to know how to
operate the systems. It provides extremely precision maneuvering, It provides

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the ability to stop the vessel almost immediately, but it
is an elaborate system and requires a lot of training
to be perfe yes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
So these are two independent They're thrusters, aren't they. But
they're independent. They can be operated independently. But when you
go into the autopilot mode, you've set a course, you've
seen what you wanted to do, and the azipods are
controlled by the navigation system.

Speaker 18 (01:21:25):
Well, it actually depends on the type of autopilot system
that is on board the ship. Commercially, it had a
very sophisticated what's called dynamic positioning system that allowed you
to really input into a computer the track line basically
where you want the vessel to go. But when the
ship was converted from commercial over to the Royal New

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Zealand Navy, there is a question about was the full
dynamic positioning system carried over or was there a modified
autopilot system put on board. Auto pilots can do a
variety of things. They can set your course and you
follow a straight course line. They can do waypoints, so
you set up, go a line and come back. And

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during survey operations you really want to be on autopilot
because you want to have the straightest course available. What
was clear from the briefing was that the ship had
shifted between manual and autopilot a few times. And what
was clear is that they did not understand that they
had put the ship into autopilot, at least a modified

(01:22:30):
form of autopilot that allowed them to have throttle control.
They sped up on the vessel, but they couldn't turn
the acid pods to change course.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, so is that normal? Because if you look at
the path that they're traveling along and then they go
out of all a pilot and then they execute a
turn away from the reef, and then they go back
into autopilot. So what you're saying is, in a full
autopilot system, you would just set it up to scan
that reef on its own and execute all the tunes
itself without going in and out of autopilot.

Speaker 18 (01:23:03):
Right on an autopilot system, it's almost like a car
with automatic lane changes or changing the speed.

Speaker 8 (01:23:10):
It will do it for you.

Speaker 18 (01:23:11):
You can program in the course change, put in the
limits to how much rudder you want to use, or
how much adipods you want to use, and it will
make those changes for you. It was strange to me
that they kept hopping in and out of that mode
because it led obviously to the disaster that you saw,
and more importantly, it put.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Them into a mode.

Speaker 18 (01:23:31):
Where they had throttle control, they can make the ship
go faster or slower, but they didn't have helm control
where they can steer it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Well, it looks like the autopilot was on for teen
minutes before it was turned off. How easily can you
check that a ship like the Mono Annui has its
autopilot on?

Speaker 14 (01:23:47):
Is there?

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Is there?

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I mean when auto when are you talking about lane
change in the car? It's pretty clear when it's on.
You can see it on the screen. Is it not
a light flashing saying you're on autopilot?

Speaker 18 (01:23:58):
It depends on the system. Again, we know that it
had a very sophisticated system on board when it was
a commercial vessel. It's not clear that that same system
was carried over, and so familiarity with the system would
be a paramount. I mean, they should have indications for
when that system is engaged, and even if when it's
engaged in a limited fashion as it appeared to be here,

(01:24:22):
you know, leaving it in autopilot mode. Again, one of
the things that came up in the briefing was the
crew did not believe that they were in autopilot. They
thought they had a thruster failure, and so they started
handling it like a thruster failure, and so they did
not assume that it was locked into autopilot. It is
only later ten minutes later, when probably other crew members

(01:24:43):
came up to the bridge, senior crew members came up,
did they realize that they were locked into autopilot.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
And your experience was that a significant lack of training.
The fact that when they tried to divert course will
slow the vessel down, they ended up picking up speed.
Is that just a drastic lack of training?

Speaker 18 (01:25:01):
It is It is a clear lack of familiarity with
the system. And you know, there was a very similar
occasion in twenty seventeen when the USS McCain was maneuvering
going into Singapore, and that was due to a lack
of familiarity with this system and how to switch between
modes and when you're operating close to a reef as

(01:25:24):
they were, familiarity was really keen. I mean, I'm really
at a loss to understand why they didn't just stay
in manual mode until they were on the core setting
they wanted to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Because what you've got here is they accelerate from six
knots to ten knots towards the reef, which looks like
they've increased thrust. Is that because they were assuming that
the azipods were one eighty degrees in the other direction
than what they expected. So using the azipods to slow
themselves down, they actually used them to speed themselves up

(01:25:57):
by increasing the thrust.

Speaker 18 (01:25:58):
Right, what I would envision they did it was was
spin the azipods.

Speaker 17 (01:26:02):
One.

Speaker 18 (01:26:02):
They assumed the azipods were rotating, and actually on Manawanui,
it actually has propellers on both front and halt of
the az A pods, and so it actually there's a
video of the dry docking of her, and so she
actually has props on both ends of the az A pods.
And so they envisioned that they were reversing the props,

(01:26:24):
they were getting a spin around and actually backing down
on it. And what was clear is they didn't, and
that the speed up should have told them that they
should have been watching the gauges to tell them that
they were accelerating, not decelerating. The biggest thing they could
have done was take speed off period, just slow down.
You know, that would have at least mitigated the potential

(01:26:46):
of running as hard up on the reef as they did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah, when they started spading up towards the RAF, they
would have been quite a moment for them. During a
RAF scanning maneuver like this, would the commander of the
ship normally be on the.

Speaker 18 (01:26:58):
Bridge, you know, it depends on the standard operating procedure
for the ship. They were doing that survey for twenty
two hours, so I mean, that's obviously a long protracted
period of time to have the ship's cap on the bridge,
but it wouldn't be unusual to have you know, maybe
the captain or the executive officer on the bridge if
they deemed it as dangerous operation. You know, the fact

(01:27:22):
that they weren't up there tells me they didn't view
it as a hazardous operation. They were running lines, you know,
basically mowing the grass, trying to do their survey operations.
But as they were getting closer and closer towards the reef,
that may have you know, it may have caused more
concern and hazard for the crew. But you know, the

(01:27:44):
captains will set their standard procedures for a vessel, and
it seems as if the captain here did not do that,
or the officer on watch neglected to call the captain
for a hazardous maneuver.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
We just don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:27:59):
There's not enough information for us to make that call yet.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
This is fascinating stuff, doug Ga style. If you don't
mind holding there for a few moments, We've got a
few more questions for you. This is but we are
speaking to doctor sul Murcogliano, professor at the US Merchant
Marine Academy. More shortly, it is sixteen past three, nineteen
past three. We're having a fascinating interview with doctor shle mccagliano,
he's a professor at the US Merchant Marine Academy, on

(01:28:24):
his analysis of the money Whenui's sinking SARL. It was
mentioned in the report that there were critical errors that
were identified training, planning, supervision, risk assessment and readiness. With
all of those elements that have been identified, that's probably
not a good look for the commander, is it.

Speaker 18 (01:28:41):
I think that's damning of not just the captain, but
potentially the entire Royal New Zealand Navy. If this is
an issue across the board. That is areas. I mean
those are critical areas you know, to operate a.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Battle, training, planning, supervision, assessment, and readiness. They all seem
pretty key.

Speaker 18 (01:29:00):
Yeah, I mean those are almost every area you can envision.
And so this is either very damning for the ship's
captain or it's very across the entire fleet. If this isn't,
you know, an issue across the entire fleet, then it
raises into question of the ability of other vessels. Again,
Manawanui is a very unique type ship. It's common out

(01:29:22):
in the commercial industry, but within navies it's very unique.
Although we do see navies adopting the use of this
type vessel. The Royal Navy has brought a very similar
vessel in and the US Navy has brought a very
similar vessel into the fleet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
We're talking to doctor cel mccagliano, Professa at the US
Merchant Marine Academy about the manouanuis thinking, how real globally
is it for a naval ship to sink in peace time?

Speaker 18 (01:29:53):
Well, I mean you've you've had issues like the von
Hamer Shard in San Diego catching fire and you know,
basically being not thinking but being a constructive total loss.
The US Navy lost a minesweeper aground in the South
China Sea about a decade ago. It's not a rare occurrent,
it's not a common occurrence, but it does happen. I mean,

(01:30:15):
operating on the high seas is always a risk. And
one of the big questions I have is why was
Mono Lanui performing such a very delicate operation as close
to shore when you could use autonomous vehicles, you can
use a variety of different platforms to do it. Granted,
the Royal New Zealand Navy doesn't have the money and

(01:30:38):
capabilities of many other navies and that may have been
the reason that it was being done Economy of scale.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Here you mentioned in your analysis so that sources have
told you that our government did not pay the money
to get the full dynamic position system, that the autopilot
is highly likely to be incomplete. Would you expect that
to come out of the Court of Inquiry that is
currently underway.

Speaker 18 (01:31:02):
I would hope the Court of Inquiry would talk to
the Classification Society that is the third party entity that
certifies vessel and when Monomanui was a commercial vessel, the
classification society would have ensured that the ship had a
system suitable for use in operation, so that it could
be properly ensured. I would think that the Court of

(01:31:25):
Inquiry would discuss the autopilot system in detail, what type
of system. When we look at what happened on board
USS McCain in twenty seventeen, the helm system was a
major function that was looked at because the operating crew,
the personnel using that system, we're not familiar with it.

(01:31:46):
They had come over from another ship that had a
different system and therefore they were unfamiliar with it. So
I would think it would be a major issue within
the Court of Inquiry.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, well, what if a autopilot system they have or
on other ships. I think it'd be good to invest
in a big flashing light that sees autopilot on at
any given times I know it's going on.

Speaker 18 (01:32:09):
There's there's also concern that you knock a ship out
of autopilot and not know about it. There, there's there,
there's there's a reason to have kind of redundancy in
your ortal pilot system so that it can't be inadvertently
noted out of auto pilot. The airline industry learned that
to their detriment, when you know, you could just bump
the controller and the ship comes out of ortal pilot

(01:32:31):
and then all of a sudden you have a plane
descending without the pilots being aware of that. So, I
mean there's reasons for for the creation of systems. It's
it's it's usually an accident of some kind that that
is the the underlying cause.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Finally, would you describe this as a humiliating incident for
the Royal New Zealand Navy.

Speaker 18 (01:32:53):
I don't like to use that phrase because I think
it's an accident and accidents will always happen as long
as you have humans interfacing with machinery, especially at sea,
you're going to use loose vessels. Just being at sea
on a flat Colm day is a risky proposition. The
sea always is trying to kill you. And the way
the sea is, yeah, it looks calm and inviting, but

(01:33:16):
you're always fighting that and unfortunately, when you let your
guard down is typically when the sea wins. And so
I don't consider it a humiliating lass. I hope, if anything,
like many events, we learn from it. So hopefully there's
a there's a lesson learned from it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Yeah, well, I mean for New Zealand, it's a bit
of a problem because it's twelve point five percent of
parents or a navy fleet, so.

Speaker 7 (01:33:39):
I know the big part.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Yeah, that was doctor cel Mircogliano. If you want to
see a full analysis of his thoughts on the MANOOI
autopilot disaster, then look up the what is going On
in Shipping channel on YouTube. Very interesting man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Yeah, I love that interview. And it is twenty four
past three.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
Good uh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on US talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Good afternoon, twenty six past three.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Now moving on from a one hundred and thirty million
dollar maritime disaster to a more important issue. Yes, fake
versus real Christmas tree.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Yeah, there has to be discussed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
We are at December three. That means Christmas tree buying
season is in full flight. I just bought a fully
real Christmas tree. I bought it on Friday on the
way to work, put it in my car, left it
there all day. It's put resin everywhere. There's needles all
over the place. But my car does smell piny fresh.
And I'll put it up in my house, and it

(01:34:45):
looks absolutely beautiful. As I say, the smell, the lights.
I am one hundred percent in on real Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Tree tasteful decorations. I've got to say as well, you
sent through a photo looking beautiful with the Christmas light's
going all day. But I hear what you say, real tree.
I love the idea of a real tree. As you say,
it smells nice, it's good for the environment. I don't
know about the right. So how much did you pay
for your tree?

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
I paid seventy dollars for my tree?

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Oh, there's pretty reasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
There's plus is a new way they can get money,
because this is how the Christmas tree places they sell
the tree get the tree.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
And then there's the special tree holder what do you
call it, the sort of thing with the screws and
it to hold it in place. Yep, yep, that's more.
It's not just a bucket with rocks anymore. But now
there's another thing that they try and sally, which is
these little balls, these little around balls of tree nutrients
that will apparently keep it going right up till after Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
Who did they get rid of it? Do they come
around and collect the dead tree once Christmas is done
and dusted.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
I didn't pay that. I didn't pay that. I'll just
hit it into the neighbor's yard and they can deal
with it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
I didn't pay for the pick up. The pickup would
be good, though, I think, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Yeah, absolutely, When would you expect the pickup? Would you
leave it up until fair?

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Well, that's the whole thing with the pickup, the pickup.
And this is another thing with the real Christmas tree.
And this is the one downside is you go away
on holiday after Christmas and then you come back and
it's well past the Christmas season and you've got this
kind of welting tree in the corner of your room
flashing away and you have to deal with it. You
have to clean up the Christmas decorations, you know. So
I'm actually a big believer in getting rid of the

(01:36:18):
Christmas tree on Boxing day before you go on holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
That's smart. Well, I know that you're you hate Edmund.
Edmund is the scourge of life. You know, We've got
Edmon everywhere. Yeah, and I'm sorry to say, but the
real tree love the idea of it. That's a heck
of a lot of Edmund. You've got to get the
we stand for it. You've got to get these little
bulls that have the nutrients.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
You got to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
How's Colin with the tree? He tries to rip it apart.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
No, it doesn't try it well, not my dog Colin. No, No,
he's a good boy. It's a good boy. I mean
one year he did WI on the presence, but that's
a totally different issue. That was whether it had been
a real tree or an artificial tree. He was ready
to WI on those presents.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Yeah, but I had hundred See I mean again, I
undred eighty ten eighty real versus fake tree. We've gone
fake for the last ten years. Yes, it's not pretty.
I'm not inviting my mates around to say, hey, have
a look at our tree, isn't it great? I don't
do all those things. It just was there in the corner.
It's nice for me and May and the dog. But
the ad is pretty much non existent. Once we get

(01:37:11):
to the end of Christmas. Put it back into the
box for another year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Happy day, joyless, soulless, joyless. It's not really Christmas. If
you don't have a proper Christmas tree, with the proper
Christmas tree sell smell, you're not really having Christmas at all.
It's a soulless experience and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Should I be sitting one up now considering the fact
that we're going to be in christ Church for Christmas,
but I've got twenty days to enjoy this joy of Christmas?
Well I should be buying when I'm sitting it up
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Yeah, I mean, Christmas isn't just the twenty fifth, mate,
It's all of December. It's all of December all the
way and then all the way up to the twenty
six There's twenty six days of Christmas, if you ask me.
And they need to be celebrated with a real tree.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
This person knows via nine two nine two. There's no
way that Tyler is going to go for a real tree.
There's a fire risk. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten and eighty is the
number to call. Nine two ninety two real versus fake.
And I've got to say I've seen a lot of
people selling real trees this year. Usually they sell out.
But love to hear from you on this one. It
is bang on half past three. Mechinamooduce talks be headlines
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Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Thank you very much. Raillan. We're talking about the age
old Christmas question, real tree versus fake tree. Matt, you
love your real tree?

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Yeah, I think that's not Christmas. That a real tree
one hundred percent. In fact, one year we went so
far as to just have a poster of a tree
on the wall and that was not a Christmas for that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
That's not a Christmas just a bitch. Yeah, but you
love it so much that on Boxing Day that you
chuck it over the neighbor's fence and gun and dust it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Yeah, he can deal with it. I think real Christmas
trees are disgraced as this text on nine two nine two.
You see them after Christmas discard a dead brown thrown
out on the burn those burn those trees. I think
it should be band Wow.

Speaker 15 (01:40:09):
What really?

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Just because they go brown? Well, I mean all trees
go brown eventually when they fall open to band All
trees because of the brownness at the end of their lives.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Peter, you love your fake tree.

Speaker 8 (01:40:20):
Do you? Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:40:22):
I'm a fake tree guy. I just think it's so easy.

Speaker 7 (01:40:26):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:40:26):
If you need to smell of pine, go to C. P.
A and binding some little Carrie fresheners.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Not the same. It's not the same, Mate.

Speaker 9 (01:40:38):
You still have to vacuum up plastic needles. So what's
the difference. Well, tree, the needles still come off, so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
You still get that full annoying experience.

Speaker 9 (01:40:54):
Ohe hundred percent. And I said, that's up on the
first week in December and down on Boxing Day and
I don't see it till the following year, and you
get to use till all over for the next twenty years.
It strings out.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
But how how does you want to put together, Peter?
Because I've seen some of those fake Christmas trees people
get out of the attic and it's a major Rubik's
Cube style operation to put them back together.

Speaker 9 (01:41:19):
I've got a new fake tree this year. The feet
on the last one broke and I had to have
my dive weight holding the tree. This one that I've
got now, it's perfectly fine. It does everything. And this
year I never went to light, so I'm a non
light to Christmas tree.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
You're onto it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
So it's just a dark, little faky in the corner
with some tensil on it.

Speaker 9 (01:41:44):
Yeah, it does the trip because no one cares. What's
the tree's under it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Yeah, okay, Well I like the flashing lights and I
like the pine smell. But so you reckon that you're
getting a full blast of the wonder of Christmas with
your fake tree with no lights.

Speaker 9 (01:42:01):
Yeah, yeah, yep. And I can put it back at
the box or a little bag and if I want
to spray it with fake fake, spray it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
With you just get the fresh from you get the
pinea fresh from the toilet, spread around. Sweet ass. I
respect Christmas. I respect you, Peter. I respect your convictions,
and you have a great Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Cheers, Peter, Thank you very much. Mate. Well sold Andy,
you reckon you've got another option for us?

Speaker 14 (01:42:28):
Yeah, boys, how are you?

Speaker 17 (01:42:30):
I'm going to go option three and Kis and I
we make money each year get out there with we
go Drufford hunting or we might use old timmer from
around the house or whatever, and then we just spend
the day bit of bonding and make it and they

(01:42:50):
kind of design what they want and then we build
it and then it goes up on that It's like
something there and I did.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
That is very cool. You know what, I've never heard
of this before, but this is this is wholesome as
I like this, this is this, this is out you know,
authentic king, I don't think that's a word, but it's
more authentic than even the real tree. That that's that's
quite cool. And the kids embrace it.

Speaker 17 (01:43:17):
Yeah, yeah, they do actually want Mine's still up from
last year. So we're going to chuck it out and
build a new one.

Speaker 14 (01:43:23):
That's how bad I am. But I'm to go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
I'd go.

Speaker 14 (01:43:26):
I go natural all the way up.

Speaker 17 (01:43:28):
Fake a little bit, but too easy. Anyone can go
out and just buy one, I think, to go out
and and that I mean, I'm with you.

Speaker 14 (01:43:36):
You get out there and smell that pint.

Speaker 17 (01:43:40):
Real want none, you a toilet freshman. Get out there
and make it. Get out there and make it or
support a graph, a local graph.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Yeah good on you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
On your Andy Driftwood Christmas tree.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
I mean, I think that's Andy's put his finger on something.
And I love that idea of getting getting your kids
to build it and making it a special thing, because
there is that, there is that the the whole ritual
of bringing the Christmas tree in and it put putting
its knee everywhere and being a real disaster. And then
you're trying to make it stand up straight, and it
keeps falling over, and then you decorate it and there's

(01:44:15):
a whole rigmarole, whereas the whole you tyler, and you're
sort of give me convenience or give me death kind
approach to life. Because there's no difficulty and no struggle
with putting up the tree. It has less meaning.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know there's an element to it that
it is a little bit soulless, but it so screams Christmas,
just and it away.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
It's better than nothing. Yeah, it's better than not celebrating
at all. And it's better than that Christmas we spend
in a hotel room with just the poster of the
tree on the wall that was soulless.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
There's plenty of great digs coming through. Guys. You have
forgotten something real with Christmas. Trees causes a lot of
horrific sinus problems with a lot of people out there,
and it's not a pleasant time of the year to
visit people who have real trees there. You go, so
you've got family members, but.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
There's always someone that puts up their hand and goes,
don't do this because there's one or two people that
are affected by it, I mean I'm not going to
change my life. Look, don't come round in my house
if you've got sinus problems. I'm I'm gonna put a
big sign on the door go warning, real Christmas tree
in the house. And then people that are scared of
real Christmas trees because these sinuses don't have to come
round to my Christmas. There's always a reason why someone's

(01:45:23):
got something that means you can't do something.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Just leave them anti estamines at the door and say
take it or leave it, you know, smash these back
and you'll be all right. Oh eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call real versus fake
Christmas trees. And also for those people primarily in the
South Island, is it okay? And this is a question
for you as well, Matt, to venture into public land
to cut down a wee wolding point for Christmas? Yes, yeah, three, yeah,

(01:45:49):
it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
I've cut down so many Christmas trees in my life.
Because I think I was saying this the other day.
I just to have a job cutting down Christmas trees
at a nursery. That was my job every year. So
I've enjoyed cutting down more Christmas trees. I've committed horrific
crimes against the Christmas tree population. It's cut hundreds of
them down and it was such a good job.

Speaker 5 (01:46:08):
Lover.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
It is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
You're new home of afternoon Tor Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoon call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
News Talk said, be we're talking the key issue of
real versus fate Christmas trees on one hundred percent in
the real camp as is this texture on nine two
nine two. No boys, authentic is for me and the
old man, sneaking into the forest, hoofing along with no
headlights on in the dark of night, looking for the
perfect tree, hacking it down, strapping it to the roof,
making a get away before the forestry gang caught us.

(01:46:43):
Dad bonding for the win.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Here you go there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Now it's Christmas. Now it's Christmas and the dead of
the night taking down Christmas tree.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
That is wholesome. Man's another texture on nine two nine two.
If Matt likes a dead body rotting in the corner
of his house, he can have his Christmas. I mean,
I mean that is true. You you love a Christmas
tree so much that you kill it and put it
in the corner of your room, film and then throw
it out when it starts to wilt. But that reminds
me of the movie Gremlins, Fantastic Christmas movie and the

(01:47:10):
story of the phobix. Cake's character tells about her dad
sneaking onto the roof in a Santa costume, then coming
down the chimney getting stark, and then and then rotting
in there and stinking out the house. And that's why
she hates Christmas. Yeah, I mean she They really had
a dead body in the corner of the room in
that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Paul, You're a fake tree man all the way, yeah, mate.

Speaker 13 (01:47:31):
So yeah, we actually put up three fake Christmas trees
every year. One is the main one that we have
and my wife actually got that from a from one
of the florist that you four years ago, back in
ninety six, and we still have it today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
And that is that is that the glory one. Is
that the marquee one, the biggest one, that one of
your three.

Speaker 13 (01:47:55):
It's probably it's the biggest one for sure, but it's
actually the nicest ones. It's really quite sick of all
the plastic needles. Yeah, is that really really full?

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
They got the in built lights?

Speaker 13 (01:48:07):
No, No, we have LEDs that go on that. And
it's quite special because we've we have bought a Christmas
decoration for our children every year since they were born.
And our sons twenty and our daughters nineteen, so they
have nineteen or twenty decorations from a tree which we.

Speaker 17 (01:48:25):
Do every year.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
That's so cool.

Speaker 9 (01:48:27):
I've been a story about why we bought it that year.

Speaker 13 (01:48:29):
For them and it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (01:48:30):
And then that's our tree for our family. And then
we have we also host the big Christmas you know,
dinner with the family on the Christmas night, and we
have a sip tree for that and we have all
the families presents under that tree. So that's now in
another the rumor. And then we have a small one
upstairs which the kids use themselves or just a bit
of decoration upstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
I love when I hear things like that, Paul, that
you that you got your kids a different Christmas decoration
every year. I think, why didn't I do that? That's
such a great idea. Yeah, it's too late. Now there
was another thing I needed to like put a bottle
of whiskey away when both of them were born to
open up at their twenty first. There's all these things
and I failed to do Christmas Ornament one is such

(01:49:14):
a beautiful idea. How did you think of that? Was
that a family tradition or did you guys come up
with that?

Speaker 14 (01:49:19):
Well, we came up with it.

Speaker 13 (01:49:20):
Actually it's not tradition, but we sort of maybe the traditions.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
I think it will be a tradition to your kids.
Now they'll they'll do it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:49:29):
But it's quite cool because you know, the kids go
through phases like sports events or that we wanted the most,
you know, trips on we're overseas, and we bought a
decoration of that of that place that we visited that year.
So every every one head of story you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Know which, and so it's like every Christmas, it's like
a mini this is your life for each of your kids.
They put the ornaments on the tree pretty much.

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:49:50):
But the thing about the tree is that, you know,
my wife brought our first tree and ninety six. You know,
it's amazing that it's still going as good as it
is now. Useless needles, but you wouldn't notice it you know,
it's just really good quality as long as your pay
the quality as they last year.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Love that, Paul, Thank you very much. We've got time
for day. Get a Dave.

Speaker 6 (01:50:10):
Yeah, hi guys, and great conversation. Just a quick funny
story about Christmas trees, a real one. My wife always
loved the real trees. We've got a two meter high
real tree to go in our lounge. It was quite
high ceiling in that set it all up in the
big bucket with stones and water and the aspiring pools

(01:50:32):
in there to keep it going. She decorated it all lovely.
We sat down that evening Mike chair was right beside it,
watching TV, and the thing crashed down on top of me.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Wet memories.

Speaker 6 (01:50:51):
Hey, I was for about five minutes because my wife
wouldn't stop laughing and my black lad was going crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Christmas guys, Yeah, Merry Christmas as well, Dave.

Speaker 15 (01:51:03):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Some great teaks coming through on nine two nine two, guys.
Real all the way I cut a slice off the
trunk and mark the year on it, store the stump
slices away for keepsakes. That's beautiful. That's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Yeah, that's cool. The way I keep mine is just
play having there's a shed next door, so I just
have them down the back of that, and so it's
piled up about five years of the Christmas trees because
they take a long time to break down a Christmas tree.
They go brown, but they don't get much smaller.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
It takes years and yet environmentally friendly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
One percent, one hundred percently environmentally friendly.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Gooday, guys, I've had a fake tree for a long time.
I'm an artistic person, and it's so much fun decorating
them because there are loads more branches to put decorations on.
You can bend the branches to suit your decorations. Every
time someone comes, they go, wow, that is so beautiful.
So I think fake trees are bitter. You can also
decorate them earlier from Jenny, So.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
What the percentages of fake trees versus real trees? Because
I don't know, Like there's a lot of people selling
real tree around wherever I drive around at the moment,
there's there's lots of lots of them on sale.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
But yeah, because I just can't imagine that. But I
think a lot of it is how you brought up right.
We always had a real Christmas tree, so it doesn't
feel like Christmas without a real Christmas tree.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Yeah, and we always had real trees as well. Can
you remember the salt dough ornaments? Hearing Peter talking about
those lovely traditions and making the audience remember the salt
dough ornaments that used to be real popular in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Uh No, I remember the win KFC bought some out
though a few years back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Yeah, good times, good times. Oh on one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Will take another couple of calls on
this and actually just a quick text poll nine two
nine two, Just text real or fake and we'll do
it quick telling up okay, on what the ultimate champion
is when it comes to the tree.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Okay, So this is a binding referendum, real or false
nine two nine two, and we'll announce the winner at
the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
It's going to be good. It's ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
We're just talking real versus fake. Christmas tree is a
key issue for Kiwi's in December and on a previous issue.
Can I just say that I've completed my rings on
my on my watch.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Well done? So you did that sitting down, So that's
that's way.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Well, I stood up to finish the last one. But
you know, look, I've been for a run today.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
Yeah, well done.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
I'm a slave to complete in my rings. But we
put out before the call, like the official binding referendum
on real versus fake Christmas trees? Which way you go on?
Nine two nine two? And boy boy, a lot of
people listen to ZB heck yeah, particularly this show that
that text machine has exploded. How do we even I'm
just going to have to do a vibe on it.
But I'm looking at this whole page of fifty and

(01:53:50):
that's probably that's probably they're nearly all real that page.
I'll go back another page. I know there's so many
coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
That's all coming through nine two ninety two. Real or
face is what we've asked. If you want to keep
them going through, we'll find someone in the back room
to count them all last.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Formerly in text coming through. It's very to run it
by referendum when you can't even count.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
Well, we'll each take a vipe here for the binding referendum.
I've got to say, I think the reels have it
by a nose. I'd say sixty percent reel.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Yeah, I would say something like that as well. Yeah,
and it's just a flurry of fakes came through.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Right, We're going to send that. We're going to send
that upstairs to get an official count on the real
versus a fake. Some longer teachs coming through. Guys. I've
always had a real Christmas tree, but now I've remarried
and she's the boss, and i'mpathetic, so I've gone with plastic.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Yep. Hey, this is something going back on yesterday. That's great, guys,
with your very very interesting chat on real versus Christmas trees.
But can you please tell us where the matter is
charging his e bikes today? That's from Gary. That was yesterday.
We're talking about e bike and Lithian batteries. And look,
I've got to say I came in with a lot
of bravado, yep, and a cavalier attitude. But then after

(01:55:06):
an hour and a half of stories of life, the
batteries going up. I did switch my batteries off for
my partner's e bike. I switched it off at the
wall when I left the house today in the garage.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Yeah, we got them, folks, So we got them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
So I am open. I am open to lending things.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
Whereas I left my fridge going this morning. So I'm
getting better as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
The fakes are really really come back to the India.
I think it might be fifty to fifty now with
the about two hundred fakes that just came through.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
We've got some homework to do. We'll give you an
official tally tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
In suspense, we'll be counting all night. I'll be like
the California recounts in the US election.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Thank you very much for today. I really enjoyed the discussion.
We'll do it all again tomorrow, and hey, give them
a taste of Kiwi from me.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
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