Full Show Podcast: 11 December 2024

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the passenger seat, there was a great chat and boy, boy,
the phones lighting up in the text were lighting up.
We also went deep into fiery chat and it turns
out I don't know much about this whole fairy situation
after the announcement from their government that they've got an
announcement on the fairies coming up down the track, so
it was a bit of an announcement of an announcement

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and Tyler. The other topic we got stuck into was.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Cash is king. A lot of people pretty pretty hot
on their love of cash. Is on the back of
the Reserve Bank want to have a digital currency, but
people love their cash.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, that's right, because ladies and gentlemen, the banks want
to give it to the cash. Yeah, because they want
the control and they want to clip the ticket the
whole time. So if we want to keep cash existing
in our world, what we need to do is start
flicking the folding around.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yep, when I didn't need.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
To get out the Sir Rutherford's, the the ernest Rutherfords.
Throw them around, all right. Then, fantastic show for you today,
so enjoy it. Seem busy. I'll let you go give
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Speaker 1 (01:46):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
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I hope you're doing well on this Wednesday, Ghetto mates
get a.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
So we've been hyping up this announcement from the government
on the faery and what's going to happen, but slightly
confusing what's gone down?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, we'll tell you more very shortly, but a quick
preview on the rest of the show. After three o'clock,
we want to talk about sausages. Got an interesting email
Matt and I did from a guy called gross up
in Northland who was upset that there was too much
fat in his sausages. Reliable sausages. These were from a
reputable butcher, he said, and he was flabbergaster that they
were just dripping with fat.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
So what's happened to our sausage?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
So we're just a juxtaposition there. I was talking about
the fairies and you just threw sausages at me. Okay,
sausages it is. Yeah, So sausage is supposed to have
thirty percent fat. This guy reckons there's more fat in them.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, And sausage quality is going down according to this guy.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
And barbecue season. So we're gonna have a chat about
that after three o'clock. After two o'clock, do you still
use cash? Most of New Zealand are still keen on
using cash, according to the Reserve Bank consultation. But it
comes on the back of the Central Bank exploring options
for a digital currency. So the question we want to
put to you is how is how important is cash
to you?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, well you've got to carry some cash around on you,
I reckon, Well, you're going to have some cash in
your house. Who knows what's going to happen, who knows
if the internet's going to go down, who knows if
you're going to walk past the busker. I think having
cash is important, and you know this is a bit
privacy in cash.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, absolutely, that's going to be a good chat after
two o'clock. But we are listening right now to the
Finance Minister Nicola Willis give details into what is going
to be the replacement for our Into Islander ferries on
the back of the canceling of the Irex projects. So
I'm reading from the press release that has just landed
in our inbox right now. She is still speaking to
reporters right as we speak, and she said the government

(03:42):
is establishing a new company to procure two new ferries
to ensure a safe, reliable, commercially viable ferry service. The
decision will ensure, she says, New Zealanders has that safe,
resilient service to move people in freight between the North
and South Islands. So a funding envelope has been established
and the costs are expected to be much less than
would have been the case with Project Ires, even once

(04:04):
break fees are included. But at this stage the cost
of the project is still commercially confidential. Intol procurement and
negotiations for the associated landside infrastructure have been completed, she said, So,
I mean it is an interesting development, but the fact
that they are still withholding the cost of that project
under a commercial confidentiality it still leads some questions open

(04:29):
as to how much this is going to cost the
tax power of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, well there's huge questions in what exactly they're getting.
But a funding envelope, that's what they're talking about that
and that is going to be less than what was
going to be spent, including the landside costs. So kind
of not really moving the story that far forward in
terms of what we know.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, So we've got a bit of audio from Finance
Minister Nikola Willis. Here's what she had to say.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
The new company established to procure the fairies will be
a limited liability company listed and scheduled for a of
the Public Finance Action nineteen eighty nine. The shareholding ministers
of the company will be the for Rail and the
Ministers of Finance and Transport. The company will have two roles.
The first will be to undertake the procurement process for

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new fairies and to report back to ministers for final decisions.
The second will better support officials to work with ports, key,
we rail and other stakeholders to ensure landside development planning
is sufficiently advanced for Cabinet to make final decisions on
faery procurement with confidence, and those processes are expected to

(05:39):
conclude in March. One of the government's aims is to
leverage existing infrastructure to the maximum extent possible.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
The exact costs.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Of the landside developments won't be known until the project
is finalized, but we are confident based on our work
to date, that they can be delivered for significantly less
than for project directs. This is partly because the fairies
will be smaller, but also because the ports will not
be gold plated. To ensure the best possible solution is

(06:15):
arrived at, the private sector is being invited to put
forward alternative proposals for a ferry service during the first
stage of the procurement process up till March. Any alternative
proposals received will be assessed along with the results of
the first stage of the procurement process in March, after
which final decisions on next steps will be taken. Whatever

(06:38):
the preferred solution, rail freight will continue to be able
to be transported between the North and South Islands.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
So interesting comments there from the Finance Minister Nicola Willis,
I mean the opening it up to further alternative options
for those in the industry. When I hear that comment there,
I think they still don't have a firm plan in place.
This is still a little bit up in the year
into how this is going to unfold.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Whether she said they're confident that they can deliver for
significantly less because the fairies are smaller, but because the
land side infrastructure will not be gold plated. But she
did say that it will still take rail. Yeah, And
wasn't Chriss saying that his sources said that the fairies
they were going to announce wouldn't take rail.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
And there was a whole lot of leaking going on
by his sources and other sources within government. We were
told and within cabinet about nine hundred million dollars spent
on these fairies and a whole lot less in the
irex project. But this is not what we're hearing today,
very very different.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Chris Hipkins sources didn't didn't tell him that it was
going to be an announcement of an announcement.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
That's right back to those old days.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
There was a question put to the Finance Minister will
Kiwi Rail operate the new Fairies? If not, why not?
And there was some controversy over whether Kiwi Rail is
the right outfit to run the inter rounder Island of Fairies.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
So when she says that there's a new company, that
new company's being formed to buy the fairies.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
That is my understanding. But here was her answer to
that question. Now working an assumption is that Fairies purchased
by the Crown would be transferred to and operated by
KiwiRail on terms to be determined. If we receive a
compelling market proposal for alternative arrangements that are a good
deal for New Zealand, that will be considered. And I
think that's the interesting point because if you take the

(08:25):
inter islander operation away from KiwiRail, which a lot of
people have been calling for, you let KiwiRail look after
the rail system, and you open up the inter island
of ferry service to a commercial operator, say blue Bridge,
there may be that is going to be a better
deal for the text payer.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Right, yeah, so you buy them the Fairies and then
get someone else to operate them.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty from what you've heard
so far. And we'll dealve more into this with our
reporter Georgina Campbell very shortly. But with that in mind
that they are going to open it up to alternative
arrangements market proposals to the freight and ferry industry, is
it a better idea to sell off the inter islander

(09:05):
operation and open it up to someone Blue Ridge?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah? Right, But she said that they are going to
buy the Fairies and they're going to set up the
land side infrastructure, right, yeah, so you would be it
would be someone else running the fairies, correct, Yeah, would
there be a bit idea?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
How do you feel about that, man, if you take
that operation away from Kiwi Rail and give it to
a private operator like Bluebridge?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, well, I mean Bluebridge is do a pretty good job,
and you know Kiwi Rail. There's a big difference between
rail and water, isn't there. I mean there's some logic
in that, I guess, but yeah, I have to have
a good think about that. Tyler so I eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two is the
text number, and the text machine is going crazy here.

(09:48):
What is this announcement of a nothing? This is a joke.
This is an announcement of nothing, an announcement of an announcement,
an announcement of an announcement. The government is stalling. Weezel words,
what if we heard I heard nothing?

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, Well keen to hear from you on that O
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Was it a
mistake to get up there in front of General send
the nation to give an announcement on an announcement without
the details being properly ironed out. Love to hear from
you on this one. Just a reminder we are going
to catch up with out a senior Wellington, reported Georgina Campbell.
She's been across this story from the get go. We're

(10:22):
also hoping to catch up with Infrastructure New Zealand CEO
Nick Leggett, who's been hot on this as well. It
is a quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 4 (10:41):
Be it's eighteen past one.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, so I must heard there. So she said that
there would be rail freight on the ferry, not necessarily rail,
so obviously it's a difference between rail freight. Yeah, and
I just heard rail and thought there was gonna be rail,
but I mean rail freight. You can take the freight
off a train and HiFIT into a ferry and then
take it off and have it back on a train exactly.
That doesn't mean the trains are going across the across

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the coockstraight.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
And just to reiterate the eye of this new company,
so Niicola, Willis said it would have a dual mandate.
The first would be to undertake a procurement process for
these new theories and report back to ministers for final decisions.
The second will be to support officials to work with ports, Kiwi,
rail and other stakeholders to ensure those landside development planning
is sufficiently advanced for Cabinet to make final decisions on

(11:29):
faery procurement with confidence. Willis added the government's aims is
to leverage existing infrastructure to the maximum extent possible.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, so lots of text coming through here, Hi guys,
this was a joke, But Hopkins is also a joke
he jumped the gun. Yet nothing Hipkins said was in
the announcement from Ben. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, to chat further about this, we're joined by Infrastructure
New Zealand CEO Nick legat Ghetto. Nick, nice to have
you on the program.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Hi, how are you both very good?

Speaker 4 (11:58):
So effectively?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Nick, this is an announcement of an announcement, isn't it.
There's not much detail in this particular stand up from
the Finance minister. That's my reading what you're reading about it.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Look, it sets the it gives us a bit more information.
It sets the sort of the direction how they're gonna
how they're gonna procure these ferries, and they've asked that
the private sector can can put in bids to that,
and then obviously how they're going to structure the approach.
So they're going to get the faeries sorted and then

(12:28):
work on the port side infrastructure. And it does look
a lot cheaper than what was previously announced. And I
think also having Winston Peters's Minister of Rail is a
good idea. He's passionate about rail, but he also believes
that you've got to get a bang for your back,
and so I think that's I think all round. We
like what we hear because it safeguards of the service

(12:51):
across the cock Strait. It's got to be safe and reliable.
But we've also we also send to forget in these
discussions that there's actually a private sector provider in the
form of blue Bridge that's doing this work every day.
So we don't I think there's been a lot of
fun made about this over the last year, but actually

(13:13):
what we've got to remember is that the services is
being delivered at the moment by the private sector. KEYWI
railer is obviously a key component to that, but we
want it to be done efficiently and we want we
don't want to spend we don't want to write checks
that the country can't cash, right, and that's what this
has been about.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
So when she mentions a private sector you know possibilities.
Is she talking about an investment in the fairies or
is the government saying, in your opinion, that they're going
to buy the fairies and potentially look at someone operating them.
What did you take from that?

Speaker 7 (13:45):
I didn't that level of detail wasn't there. What I
took to mean from it was that when they they
put together their opposal for the fairies they buy or build.
The private sector will be invited to put in what
they call an unsolicited bid, which which will mean that
they can't they can come forward and put a solution

(14:07):
on the tape to this new entity that's going to
be responsible for that. I didn't get any sense that
there was a sort of a decision made about how
Kiwi Rail's future involvement is going to be. I thought
they might look at something where there was some government
ownership of Kiwi Rail and there might be some sort
of private sector ownership of an entity as well that

(14:28):
delivered the service. But that, look, that might be off
the table, or it might be yet to come. But
I think those are the sort of the questions that
some of us are going to have in the months ahead.
But look, it's good to get this stair today. I mean,
people do want to know that this is a service
that is going to be safeguarded. Thirty billion dollars of

(14:49):
goods a year goes across the Crook Strait. It's the
extension of you know, it's a bridge across between the
South and the North Islands, and you know it keeps
New Zealand fed. It keeps our exporters being able to
get their goods to market, and of course it's great
to tourism and just people movements. So I think we've
you know, I think today's a good step, but we
do need to see a little bit more detail. And

(15:11):
as I say, having Winston Peters as Minister of Rail
is good because we you know, rail is important to
our freight task. But there are some true believers out
there that think that it can do everything and that
we should just spend billions, and we've got to be
more sensible than that.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
These are going to be brand new fairies, Nick, And
there was concern when the i Rex project was canceled
that the second hand ferry market, they just don't exist
out there. There's no Toyota Corollas that are up for sale.
So building these two new fairies, is it your understanding
that it is relatively easy to find a ferry builder
a boat builder within the international space and get that

(15:47):
contract in place pretty quickly.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
Well they did it with Irex right. The problem with Irex,
of course, was that they were very specialized because they
were roll on, roll offts, you know, rail enabled, and
these new Fairies won't be that's where the massive cost
was not just for the boats, but actually also for
that port side infrastructure. And yeah, there wasn't hell of
a lot of resilience in what was proposed. Now I

(16:12):
think that, you know, there will of course, there'll be
a market they could find. I mean, the challenge they
will have is the same challenge that New Zealand as
a small country has with much of its infrastructure and
what it needs to get built. It's it's you know, well,
can they get a competitive price? And that will be
on people's minds, particularly given the fact that the Irex
project was canceled to cost. So I think we'll be

(16:33):
looking to make sure they're getting the best bang for
Kiwi Rail and New Zealand's buck.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
So rail freight capability as opposed to roll the trains on.
She was quite clear that she said it would have
rail freight capability. So is that that the trains come up,
you aren't you unload them, load them onto the onto
the ferry and then I unload them onto the trains
at the other end.

Speaker 7 (16:54):
Yes, that's that's that's what That's what she means, and
it's what we've got at the moment, right, So and look,
we were the only country in the world they're actually
building rail enabled ferries, so it's not something that you know,
is a particularly contemporary, very thing to be going for.
So and as I said, it added a lot of costs.
I mean, it was going to cost They estimated about

(17:14):
three billioned Man and the estimate I think I've sent
from David Seymour has said, you know, this is great
because we think it'll be about half that. So but
this is important, right, we don't need we don't need
the flash's most sophisticated service. We do need something that
setsure proof. So we know that we've got some you know,
resilience and that in there and it's not going to fail.

(17:36):
And actually, you know, safety is really important across the
Crooks Straight as well, So we should be looking for
the safety part of this proposal, you know. And I'm
sure that that's covered at either end.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
So the big blowout with the i REX project neck
was clearly on those landside operations, the infrastructure for these
new ferrari ferries that were planned. Have you got confidence
that under this plan that those infrastructure needs are not
going to be to the same extent as the previous project.

Speaker 7 (18:07):
I would have confidence because they're not having to build
rail enablement. It's also important who pays, so you know,
like should keep e rail have been forking out for
infrastructure at ports which the ports can charge for use
and and you know make money off. So I think
it will be important to see who's going to pay
for the port side infrastructure and how that's going to

(18:29):
be brought around. Yeah, look, I think lots of questions
and we've got to ensure that that this is of
unpleased here. You know, the current services is going to
keep running. The other thing i'd just say about those
rail enabled ferries, what was the sort of the thing
that kind of went unreported was that those the first

(18:52):
those fairies was going to turn up i think next
year and there was going to be no port side
infrastructure ready for them. So I mean that would have
been horrific. I mean the lost the lost cost and
you know, the sunk cost and the lack of productivity.
The project would have eaten its head off. So cancelation Actually,
when you think about that and you think about this

(19:13):
much lower cost we're actually going to end up, I
think you know a head welling.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Nick great to get your expertise. Thank you very much
for coming on. Thanks both that is nick Leget. Infrastructure
New Zealand CEO will take your calls on this. How
do you feel about this announcement of these new purpose
built fairies. The government has committed to establishing this company
that will procure these two new fairies and then at
that point we'll determine how much it's going to cost.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
But love to hear your thoughts on this one.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty confidence there
from the CEO of Infrastructure New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
What do you say? It is twenty seven past one, putting.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
The tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Breakfast banks have been busted refusing to bank some petrol
station owners because these guys sell fossil fields and fossil
fields are not cool anymore. Federated farmers have blown the
whistle on this one. In the National Board member Richard
McIntyre's with us.

Speaker 9 (20:06):
We've had quite a few petrol stations and is that
she reached out to us and one of them has
actually given us a letter from Benzi saying they can
have no further lending from here on in and that
they have to begin repaying all of their debt and
it has to be repaid by twenty thirty. These are
small business owners that provide a service to New Zealanders
in general, and so for the banks to coline and
to fund them and consider them to be negative while

(20:26):
the reservation is actually consider them to be a vital
service is just ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Hither duplusyen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow at
six am with Bailey's real Estate to news togs.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
That'd be good afternoon. It has half past one. Plenty
of texts coming through about these fairy announcements.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yes, this is some detail from Willis and an announcement
of an announcement. It's also showing Hipkins to be increasingly irrelevant.
That's from Doug. Yeah, it doesn't seem like Hipkins got
the details right. He's had it a lot more confident
than what actually came out. Guys, anyone who thinks national
have done the wrong thing should take a look at
the bloody pickle Tasmania in buying fairies that are too

(21:03):
big in an hour in storage, costing billions. That's from Jill. Yeah,
and I don't did they say if the fairies are
equipped with autopilot, I hope not. Cheers, John, keep those
texts coming through and we're going to pick this up
after the headlines.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Of course, plenty of phone calls coming through on people
want to have.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
A chat about this.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you want to
jump in on this conversation as well, And just a reminder,
we are going to have a chat to our senior
Wellington reporter, Georgina Campbell. She's been working on this story
from the get go, so we've got plenty of questions
that we.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Will put to her.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
But right now it is twenty nine to two headlines
coming up. Then we'll take some of your calls.

Speaker 10 (21:46):
You talk said, be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The government says it'll
set up a company to procure two new cook straight
fairies to replace the aging inter Island a fleet after
scrapping plans about a year ago. It says commercial sensitivities
mean the cost can't be revealed. Winston Peters been appointed

(22:09):
Minister for Rail. Police are hunting a man accused of
a fatal shooting in Lower Huts nine I yesterday is
a thirty year old man with a large build and
full facial tattoos, believed to have gang affiliations. A thirty
seven year old man accused of murder by fatally running
over a man in a driveway in Auckland's Massy has

(22:29):
entered no plea in court. Greenpeace says the government's emissions
plan isn't worth the paper it's written on. Policies include
more renewable energy projects and introducing a network of ten
thousand EVY charging points and agricultural emissions pricing by twenty thirty.
A Queensland University report shows tourism's greenhouse gas pollution has

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grown twice as fast as the rest of the world economy.
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ends and heral premium are back to Matteethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. Well, as we've been
talking about. The government says it will set up a
new company to procure two new Cookstraateth ferries to replace
the aging into Island a fleet. It's been under pressure,
as we know, to offer alternatives after scrapping plans for
rail enabled theories and upgraded port infrastructure that was called
the i REX project about a year ago.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, and we've got Max here, who was involved in
the i REX project.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
Welcome to the show, guy, Thanks for the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Good to have you on. So let's start off with
what was announced at one o'clock. Max, how did you
feel about the idea of a new company to procure
two new fairies? And there's still some questions around the
overall cost.

Speaker 11 (23:45):
Well, I think you know, going there's many many different
variables in this whole project. Having worked on large projects
all my life, and the procurement of the fairies in
the first place, or the procurement of the actual whole
pro RX project was in my opinion, doomed to fail
from the start.

Speaker 12 (24:04):
The model was wrong.

Speaker 11 (24:06):
It was a cost plus model rather than a you know,
attended type model.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
So so so what do you mean by what? Sorry, Max,
what do you mean by cost plus model?

Speaker 11 (24:16):
Well, the was a cost open book type things, So
costs were put on the table then as a margin added,
and that's that sort of models. And there was no
real in my opinion, no real cost control to the
level of scruggy that that should have been in that project.
So that project was doomed to fail in my opinion
from the part, it was always going to blow out
and it was always going to do things. And the

(24:38):
other big consideration for all these large projects is stakeholder
engagement and compliance. Compliance costs are probably fifty percent of
a large project, so to comply with RMA regulations, stakeholder regulations,
stakeholder requests, all those sorts of things, so they bury

(25:01):
the project before they even got started. The actual fairies
were very cheap for what they were, the beautiful fairies.
They were amazing, but a kid and the fairies for
five hundred million to buy were actually very very good
value for money and to be fired to Hindai to
be fed a ken day. The goalpost got shipped in
about four times during the process and they never charged

(25:25):
us for any of that during that process. But it
was only after after the final death knell by the
National government, which in my opinion was the right thing
to do, even though it was my livelihood, it was
the right thing to do to stop that project, take
a breath and go again and set it up correctly. Look,
which is what they're trying to do now, and I
applaud them for that.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
So the problem, as far as you're concern wasn't the fairies,
it was the landside set up.

Speaker 11 (25:52):
Yeah, well there's a bit of that, you know, like
they were designing for a one on two thousand year
flood of it, which I don't know about you, but
I'm going to make two thousand years. But that seemed
ridiculously over the top. And I'll give you an example.
The piles that were going to be driven at f
f a point. Instead of been thirty or forty meters
into the substrate, we're going to have to go up
to seventy meters and more of them just to cope

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with a seismical weather event of one in two thousand
year frequency. So didn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
What would be the normal frequency that you'd be looking
to design something for in terms of years?

Speaker 11 (26:30):
Well, most things, most infrastructure, like civil infrastructures built for
one and two hundred, one and five hundred. Maybe if
it's a significant piece of kit like an electrical power
station or something like that, five hundred year event, but
it depends on the environment where it's locate. I mean
Obviously it's a seismic environment in Wellington, so that makes

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a difference anyway. But the existing in my view, where
we go wrong is we look at things and go
going forward really too design for one and five hundred years,
but rather than look at what's there existing and go
this has survived really really well for forty years. Let's
double its capacity so we get one hundred or two
hundred years out of it rather than actually two thousand years,

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you know. And to me, that's where we go wrong
as a civil infrastructure industry.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
And why didn't they do that? Max?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
So, as you mentioned before, we actually got this contract
for the ferries at are pretty reasonable cost considering what
the ferries were going to be able to do. But
why didn't Grant Robinson or indeed, in this case, Nicola
Willis when she came on as Finance minist to look
at the plan for the infrastructure spend and say that
is crazy, Faeries, good, go back to the drawing board
on infrastructure because they ain't going to cut it.

Speaker 11 (27:40):
That's a very very good question and I can't answer that.
But yeah, had I been the labor equivalent to Nicola Willis,
it's exactly what I would have been asking right from
day dot.

Speaker 13 (27:51):
What is this going to look like?

Speaker 11 (27:52):
You know, why are we doing this? Why are we're
doing that?

Speaker 7 (27:54):
You know?

Speaker 11 (27:54):
And the two design companies were well, they made they made.
They did it right out of it, I think, and
so did the two construction companies, bearing in mind that
not a lot of construction Wilson enabling where it's done,
but not a lot of construction of the heavy infrastructure
was undertaken. So look, I don't want to I'm not
going to throw people out of the bus, but there

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was a bunch of decisions made by a bunch of people,
in my opinion, that shouldn't really be making those decisions.

Speaker 14 (28:24):
But here we are.

Speaker 11 (28:24):
You know, we're hopefully with this reset now we should
get good fairies because realistically, the only liability problems major
liability problems with the ships on the water themselves the
pict infrastructure. The wharf is pretty old and needs replacing anyway,
so that's fair enough. But the Wellington wharf is actually
not too bad. And the other problem that the new
fair is going to create was all the extra traffic

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loading on the roading network was going to be a
major problem at sard A point at peak loading times.

Speaker 7 (28:53):
For vehicles getting on or off.

Speaker 11 (28:54):
Five hundred hicles trying to get off a ferry at
five o'clock on a Friday afternoon in Wellington.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
This is not going to work.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, So infrastructure aside, and I know that that's a
big part of the equation here. But all this talk
about rail enabled fairies and we've got to have that
and if we don't then we're missing a trick and
we're not going to future proof. Was that kind of
a bit nonsense that we didn't really need to have
rail enabled fairies?

Speaker 11 (29:18):
Look, in my opinion, no, I don't think we do.
I mean, the key rail are pretty They're not perfect
at some things, but they're pretty good at getting fate
on and off the fairies pretty efficiently. So having wagons
that can roll on roll off without the trains is fine.
The infrastructure is already there. We've been doing it for

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thirty years or twenty years now with the fairies we've got,
so to me, it made perfect sense to have a good,
reliable theory that's economically environmentally friendly and all that good stuff.
But the roll on roll off thing is real nice
to have. That's not going to add a heck of
a lot. I don't think Key rail people will probably
shoot me for saying that, but bi viewers watching them

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operate the off with their wagons, it's actually pretty efficient,
take longer to load the cars and the truck rail wagons,
so it doesn't seem to be a major problem to me.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And that sounds pretty much like what Nicholas Willis. Nichola
Willis is suggesting now that that that will just continue
with the new Fairies.

Speaker 11 (30:18):
Yeah, and so it should. I mean, it's pretty slick
operation down there at both ends of the faery terminals.
So really, excuse me, Really, they just need to keep
doing that efficiency find any other little efficiencies they can.
But there's no there's no real harm in having a
train shunting rails, carriages on and off the Fairies.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
In my view, well, there's no doubt it'd be super
cool to have the super flash Fairies with super flash
landside infrastructure and trains that could just go on and off. Yeah,
but unfortunately we went not that wealth for your country.

Speaker 11 (30:49):
Yeah max out of percent man, you know, like you know,
you look at any of the big large infrastructure projects
around the place, you could save a truckload of money
by by cutting a lot of cost or cutting your
cloth to suit your budget, which is what you do
in your own house, right, So I don't understand why
the government should be any different. So I applaud for
what they're trying to do. I just hope they get

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the right people in place to make this project a success,
because all of that was a good roleval fiery service
olds really.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yep, nicely said Max. Great to have you on. Thank
you very much. O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
There's the number to call love to hear from you
on this It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on,
matt Even Taylor Adams Afternoon US Talk said.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Be a bunch of texts coming through on this faery
announcement of an announcement. There was some meat in there,
but showing it again, what a bloody genius Luxons says
this text Supreme manager getting things done back on track.
Clearly Winston Peters has refused to agree to the proposal,
which Hipkins exposed.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Well, I don't think there's quite the case, considering he's
now the Minister of Rail that got announced at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well, I mean, what they're saying is that he scuttled
what they had planned just to screw over Hipkins. I
need to see some evidence on there, the picture of
the New Fairies already two miniature container ships that can
carry some passengers. On top of the stupidity of having
the ships arriving before the birthing was ready, they were
not sure that the Fairies could get through the shortcut

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and the sounds. That's from Ted all right, So lots
of text coming through and we appreciate them all.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Cliff, how do you feel about.

Speaker 13 (32:28):
This after Hey, I've been thinking about this for a
while too. I'm in the transport industry as such. Why
are the theories not been put on between Wellington and
christ Church Now? Probably eighty percent of the freight coming
from north to south comes out of christ Church. Anyway,

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to me, they should be running the new Fairies. Bluebirds
could stay the where they are now and they put
the Fairies on between well Exton and christ Church. That
cuts down the amount of truck movements between Picton and
christ Church. The freight that's going into Blenham and Pickton
could cut over on Blue Bridge or get tracked up

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out of christ Church, but most of it, most of
the freighter is going in any way. And the problem
with running ferries into the sounds is it's so slow.
Once they get off out of the strait, they're running
very slow time. If you worked out the sending of
something that left Wellington and then left Wellington to go
to Peckton or against christ Church, it's probably faster to

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send it down to christ Church, unload it directly off
and then bring it either put it straight onto rail
or a truck.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Wellington's a lot closer to christ Church by sea then
then you know than you think. But there used to
be fairies from from christ Church to Wellington. Now, I
remember my dad telling me when he was young he
used to catch the train from Deneen to christ Church
and then the ferry up to up to Wellington. So
it was the thing at some point.

Speaker 13 (34:05):
Yes, well, there was two of them that used to
run that service and they still and they had the
coastal traders as well. They used to an a coastal
trader right around based in New Zealand. They had them
into the need and then the christ They should be
moving more freight further by sea rather than trying to
pump it all between Wellington and Pickton. They don't pick
and people don't want fairies in there. They don't want

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bigger fairies and they slow the big ferries down pickarese
of the wash, so divert the fairies, put them between
well to the christ Church the freight goes in.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
There's there's no doubt that would be cool, Cliff. But
I'm just I'm just looking at what they's just the
price that everything has now, just to bring that into
the mix, considering what we've just been going through, and
we still don't really know exactly what's going to happen now,
I am any there.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, remember cliff that they looked at Clifford Bay that
was out of Marlborough. But you're right, you know, there's
been some questions about whether Pickton is now suitable for
the increasing freight and messengers that they want to get
through there. But they looked at the Clifford Bay option
and turned out it was far too expensive, so that
project got cance So it all comes down to money,
doesn't it. And the Clifford Bay proposal was a straight

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run from Wellington to Clifford Bay just outside of Blenham.
So there was no going through the molbra sounds and
the productivity all measured up, but it was just the
cost factor that didn't measure up.

Speaker 13 (35:30):
They've already got the fear of these services in Littleton,
you know, it wouldn't pay much for the set it
up again with a faery roll on roll off. Yeah,
and it just the time limit would be so that
the less trucks the trains, the trains are slow. Between
Pickton and christ Church, they've probably faster buy faery than

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what they would be on a train.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well, looking at estimates now, just been looking at estmates,
they have been eleven hour faery trip from Wellington to
christ Church.

Speaker 13 (36:02):
Eleven hours and that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, well what are you now? Three and a half yeah,
three and a half to picton on and off. I
mean it'd be pretty cool. I'd be into it. I'll
be into It's a lot of time on the Enter Island. Yeah,
but you'd have cabins on there, you'd sleep on there.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, not a bad idea cliff. We'll look into that
for you, thank you very much. Oh one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
It is nine to.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Two Matdeeth Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh eight
hundred eighty Maddeth and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 13 (36:33):
They'd be good.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Afternoon. It is seven to two, Lola. How do you
feel about this announcement on the fairies.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Oh, well, I'm concerned about the cook straight, I mean,
the crop straight, the weather affecting the sailings with smaller
ships with smaller fairies, are they going to be able
to run on a regular basis or are they're going
to be held up by weather?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well, we don't know. If they're going to be smaller
than the ones we've got now. They're going to be
smaller than the mega fairies that was in their original
IRIS plan, but they're not necessarily going to be all
of them, the fairies we've got out there now.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
But the weight of the fairies, will they be able
to burst a proptly and rough weather.

Speaker 14 (37:16):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Well, Lola, we're going to answer that.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I mean, according to the Finance Minister, and I quote
she was asked whether these ships would be reliable and
she said, these will be reliable ships that are appropriate
to our means.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Well, I hope that is the case, because if they've
got smaller and they don't have rail on it, I mean,
well they're.

Speaker 13 (37:38):
Going to have.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's going to be the same as they have now,
where they still have They'll still have rail freight on them,
but not the mega fairies, which we're going to have
their ability to have the trains go straight on. They're
still going to have the carriages on them.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
So if they have rail freight on there, how are
they going to get it onto the ship put it
in the container?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well, this is just the same way as they're doing
it now. So we don't. We don't have we don't.
We don't have the we don't have that capability at
the moment that was going to be a new and
fancy capability that was going to be added.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Oh well, all we can do is wait and see.
But my other concern is if they are going to
have to pay the bills and then hand it over
to Bluebridge for management. I don't think that's a good
idea because where's the income coming from to pay off
the debt?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, well that hasn't also been they haven't. We haven't
got any announcement around that either at this point.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
No, no, Lola, thank you very much. And thank you
to everybody who called and text. That is where we'll
leave it. We are hoping to catch up with Georgina Campbell,
our senior Wellington reporter. She's been across the story from
the get go. She is interviewing the Finance Minister as
we speak, So we will catch up with Georgina a
little bit later this program.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, but coming up next, are you still carrying cash around?
Is cash importing to you? The Reserve banks just in
a serve and found that people still like cash and
aren't willing to go to a full digital system. Yeah,
but how much cash you got in your pocket right now? Tyler?

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Zero dollars?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I've got two thousand, five hundred dollars? Do you no?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
E one hundred eighty ten eighty Is cash still important
in twenty twenty four? Love to hear your thoughts on
this One nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
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to you.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
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and Tyler Adams Afternoards on news Talk zevvy.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Welcome back, into the show. Great to have your company
as always, and we want to have a chat to
you about cash. Is it still king? Most New Zealanders
apparently are still keen on using physical cash. That's according
to a Reserve Bank consultation. The recent call for feedback
on digital cash through the highest response the bank has
ever received, and the response has showed large numbers of

(40:36):
people remained committed to physical currency. So the feedback they
had more than eighteen thousand responses and the quote was
the Reserve Bank has committed to ensuring New Zealanders can
continue to access, use and bank cash as they need
or prefer. This consultation reinforce that cash is still critical
and crucial for New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Is this just this is just a legal activity, isn't it.
People just want the cash, so there's no paper truck. Yeah, cashi,
it's just a legal activity, is it?

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Well?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, Well that this comes on the back of this
idea of a digital current, see that the Reserve Bank
has been working on for some time. They're not the
only central bank to be looking at this digital currency.
It's something that reserve banks and central banks around the
world are wanting to implement at some stage. So this
consultation was in a bid to find out how New
Zealanders feel about it, and most keyws told them we

(41:26):
still love our physical cash.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'm pretty futuristic. I pay for everything just using my watch.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Now, Yeah, you do, you love that?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I just do. It's actually quite weird when I'm going
through a drive through though, to turn my arm around
to get into the right angle to swipe the machine
to pay for my burgers. Yeah, But apart from that,
it's incredibly convenient. So I don't really have much cash around.
But you know, there's people that say, you've gotta have
some cash. You've gotta have some cash in your house
just in case things go down. You've got to sort

(41:55):
something out that can't be sorted out digitally. And there
is definitely a need for cash if you're walking past
a busker or a someone you know, I don't mind
giving cash to someone who's in a bad position in life, yeah,
and ask me for some. But if they whipped out
a payWave, then I'm going to go, you're probably doing
better than you're saying you are.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah. I mean I'm the same.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
I have very little cash in the house at the moment,
and It's always one of those things that when you
need cash is really annoying. And I'm with you if
I see someone who is you know they've been dealt
some bad cards in life. Or you know those guys
at the intersection who are looking to get a bit
extra cash to clean your windscreen. Sometimes I want to
give them a bit of cash.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
And it's kind of huge. I'm a huge fan of busking,
and so I would hate buskers justice to beer because
they can't make any money at all from it.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
And you know, like over a holiday period, someone doing
something stupid that gets a circle around them somewhere in
a resort town. I always love that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
And it is getting harder and harder to get cash
out right that the legitimate band ktms are reducing. And
these these private ATMs that are.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Popular, that's a whole other thing where you can pay
two dollars fifty to get your cash out, Yeah at
one of these private ones, because you know we're near
an ATM from you know, your your actual bank or
one of the one of the big banks. Then that's
that's that's bad news to two dollars fifty get twenty
bucks out.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, and I think the banks themselves they don't make
it that easy to you if you go into a
bank branch, if you if you get in there at
ten am on a week day because I close on
the weekends now, so that's hard enough to get into
a branch, and then when you get in there, they
kind of make it difficult to take out your own money.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
What's that about?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, well, exactly, okay, we'll sea one hundred and eighty
ten eighty nine nine two is the text number. Do
you still need cold, hard, flipping folding cash.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yep, give us a ring and nine two ninety two
is the text number. The phone lines have already. Let up,
let's get into it. It is ten past two.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Your new home of afternoon tour and Eton Tyler Adams
Afternoon Call. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News
Talk said.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Be thirteen past two. Is cash still king? The Reserve
Bank has asked a whole bunch of New Zealanders how
they feel about physical cash, and the overwhelming response is
we love it. This is on the back of them
looking at a digital currency. Is that going too far?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Well, cash still is definitely not still king? But is
it still in the mix. You still need some of it.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Plenty of teachs coming through on nine two ninety two.
Thank god for cash. Feller's just got my strawberries over
by the airport. Cash only.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh that's a very good point, honesty. Boxes don't work
without cash. I need cash to pay for firewood. As
those guys only take cash, and did they give their
bit to the cash is anonymous? Therefore cash is king. Yeah,
have had and always have at least five thousand in
cash sitting in the freezer. Not having cash available without

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going to a bank's insane, as the likes of the
Napier Weather Show. That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Thanks for that, goose Yep, thank you very much. Keep
those teas coming through, Craig, how are you mate?

Speaker 15 (44:59):
Good guys. I think most definitely think cash should be king.
I don't think it is. I've got a part time business.
My wife and I we truck and we do a
lot of events and that kind of thing. And I
would say probably twenty five is cash. Seventy five percent
is paid to other means. But everybody, I believe should

(45:20):
make a conscious effort to use cash. You look at
what the Bend said, what was announced this morning, how
they're going to stop loaning to gas stations and they're
going to call them the loans and that kind of thing.
If we're not careful, what will you know? These banking
institutions and that type of thing, who think they know

(45:42):
what's best for all of us, they're going to bloody
you know, if they see that you're spending your money
and you're spending it on too much thing that's bad
for the environment, they'll freeze your accounts.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
That moralizing of the bank is does not well with me.

Speaker 15 (46:01):
The bank, and the only way the reason they want
to go cast lists is for that reason. It's about control.
And if we allow that to happen, we're giving up
so much of our freedom.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Now, don't We don't know anything about your business or
where it operates, And you don't have to answer this question.
But with the twenty five percent the cash comes through,
do you deal with it in the exact same way
as you deal with the seventy five percent that's going through?

Speaker 16 (46:30):
Here?

Speaker 15 (46:30):
A complete one, A complete, one hundred, one hundred percent
honest answer. My main business has been struggling so much
throughout the year. We are banking every bit of money
we're getting because we have to right things if things
are running good and that kind of thing. Out of
that twenty five percent. To be honest with my wife

(46:51):
and I bondly treat ours olfs a bit of the
cash and use it to go for dinner and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, but you need to put it back in yeah
and just but it.

Speaker 15 (47:01):
Does you know, come on, guys, you do. Cash eventually
does go into the system. Also, you know there was
barred a car, which is the same where people deals
are done all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
But what about what about what about dealing with the
float and stuff, Craig, That is that a pain and
the pain in the butt, you know, having to make
sure you've got the money down.

Speaker 15 (47:26):
It is with the bango. We had an event just
last weekend. It was a big event, so we needed
about a six hundred dollar float to make sure we
had enough change for the day. So my wife has
to go into the bank ches to order the money.
She has to sow all different. You know, it's a
it's a pain in the butt to get money out
of the bank, out of the bay. But you treated

(47:47):
like a bloody criminal.

Speaker 14 (47:50):
To me.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
The other day I had to get cash out for
a thing I was doing. It was completely above board
and the rigmarole I went through. But I think you
know what I think the problem was, Craig, is that
I can't see very well, but I sometimes have prescription
sunglasses on.

Speaker 15 (48:03):
And so I also think the hardest to my.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Story, Craig, I had to go onto the bank and
I had to leave my prescription sunglasses on. So I
think that's why I had so much trouble getting the
money out of the bank. Look, sorry to punish you
with my story. What were you saying, Greig?

Speaker 15 (48:19):
No, No, I think also the heart of the banks
are making it to put money in and out cash.

Speaker 17 (48:26):
More and more.

Speaker 15 (48:27):
People that do still deal in cash are going to
refrain for wanting that hassle. So it's not going to
stop them dealing in cash or just stop them banking it.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
And on the PO situation, so you mentioned twenty five
percent cash seventy five pass. Is that a bit of
a mug beer for you? Do you have to charge
your customers an increase on percentage when they use the boss?

Speaker 15 (48:49):
We don't do that, No. We whether it's paywaves, credit card,
we don't change them any extra. We we carry the
can but it is a part time business for us.
But it's a it's a good you know, it's a
good income. But no, we we we previously do that.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Now, God on, Craig, this is sort of a slightly
different issue. But how many people are standing around and
entering their pin in and how many people are just
paywaving these days?

Speaker 15 (49:19):
I would say a lot of seventy five percent that
aren't cash. I would say eighty percent of them probably payWave.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, it's funny how we'll just do that instead of
just I mean, I mean, how long does it do
to take to put your pin in? And yet just
for the pure convenience of getting out there and swiping it,
we'll just swipe it. Yeah. Hey, thank you so much
for you call Craig.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Thanks for ch cheers mate.

Speaker 18 (49:42):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cour plenty of texts coming through on this one
as well. Nine two ninety two is the text number. Guys,
fifty dollars cash will always be fifty dollars cash, fifty
dollars credit via bank. Over one hundred thousand transactions will
end up zero dollars before going to the bank via
charges et cetera. Cash is king or pitcoin banks can

(50:03):
go beep it themselves.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, this is an interesting one as well. Hey, talking
about cash being important. If you've got grand children, watch
the reaction when you put cash into their beautiful we hands,
pure and absolute joy. Cool, A hope we never lose
the ability to be able to give it to them.
Go well and good afternoon to you too, Thanks so
much for your text carefy. That is an interesting thing.
You don't necessarily and a few people are texting this

(50:24):
through really understand money until you have it in your
hands and it leaves your hand. So for my kids,
they've never had cash. So one of them works at
a cafe. Money comes in, money goes out, and there's
something I think. I'm more likely just to blow money
if I'm not having to actually hand over anything physical,

(50:46):
if you're just as I said before, I pay with
my watch. If I'm just swiping my watch, it's like
I never saw that money. I never touched it, it
never existed. It just flows in and out, and before
you know it, it's all flowing out.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on us Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's twenty two pass to some great techs coming through
on nine to nine two.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
This business is get rid of your watch. Too much stress,
go old school when it comes to how I'm paying.
I'm just pay waving, swiping my watch and I've got
no wallet in my pocket. But yeah, I mean, it
is kind of a stress.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Like George Jensen, though, isn't it. You do fear.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I've only been doing it for two weeks actually, and
it's just because it feels futuristic. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
but look, I was telling Tyler off here because I'm
you know, on the I sometimes have to give two
dollar coins to buskers and two dollar coins to people
that I'm holding up a sign, and I feel sorry
for them. I actually when I go through Washworld, this
is where I get my cash. I go through Washworld

(51:51):
and you have to change your cash to coins to
pay for all the you know, all the different waxings
and sprayings and such, and so I'll always get out,
always run, you know, you know, ten ten two dollar
coins in my car to hand out to people. So
I'm not all analog. I mean, I'm not all digital. Yeah,
I still running some coins to keep the buskers going.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, that's nice this text. I get a guys, how
can we teach children the value of money without the
visible notes and coins? Rewarding with cash is a great incentive, eg.
Doing jobs like mowing lawns, et cetera. From Susan.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, that's so true. Susan still need cash for the
tooth fairy, cash to give to grandchildren in place of
unwanted gifts, cash for raffle, tickets at local clubs, meet raffles,
spin the wheel, et cetera. Cash for local markets and fares.
I could go on. It's from Linda. Yeah, yeah, I
mean cash works a lot better at a farmer's market,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It certainly does. Doreen, how are you.

Speaker 19 (52:45):
Very much down? I'll go Mat and Thaylane very much
down the lines of I put down here really fears markets,
farmer gates. You know you want to stop off and
get the apples at the gates for the farmers kids
to teach them about money, saving, putting away, donating. It's
a concept a whole in a ways, just the concept
pleasure your watchers a concept hard cash is real and

(53:07):
it's sort of features them, but then also different different
things that banks are more entitled to charging sees if
they give you a gimmick, so you're actually giving money
back to the bank. And I am a George Jetson
fan and I've got a watch, but I'm not using
it and I'm not going to because of that thing.

(53:28):
But just the freedom to want to have cash and
as they said, birthday money and you know, Chris fifty
dollars when you're six years old, it's amazing. You know,
I could gravitape to see in it. But just the
seedom and even emergencies we had that Auckland situation, was
it last year? A lot of people's ATMs weren't working.

(53:50):
There's a lot of power carts in that. You know,
we needed cash and there's a space for it. There's
a space for the George Jetsams as well. I mean yeah,
but even going over seas, if you're having your watches
and things, you're more likely to get into difficulty because
someone's produced some technology that robs you through your phone,
through your cell phone or watch or whatever. Yeah, So

(54:13):
once you go down a single road. It's really hard
to come back from it.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Well, you definitely notice when you go over to the
United States that they have so much more cash. I mean,
you can't really operate in America with a whole lot
of cash in you in your pocket for a start.
You can't hand out tips is easily at your hotels
and stuff. But we have definitely draining cash out of
our society really really, really quickly. That's the way it's going.

(54:40):
So yeah, I mean, if you want to keep it going,
then people are going to have to stem the tide themselves.
There's another interesting part of it as well. During I
saw this thing about how not using cash actually it
limits your ability to do math, because growing up, a
lot of people were doing a lot of different really

(55:00):
quick equations all the time around cash, especially people working
behind counters are doing really really you know, it's everyone
has spent some point in hospital or or working retail
or whatever and had to do these equations. There are
people growing up now that have never had to do
just the simple but quite fast equations that involve with
dealing cash and giving change.

Speaker 19 (55:22):
But it's the control mechanism put on us, and you know,
the banks they like to control things, and you suddenly
get this this fee or that fee, and it's just
the limits, limits of possibilities. And I think before we
give up another freedom, I think we better look long
and hard at it. And it looks like a lot

(55:42):
of people don't. Oh no, not ready for this now anyway.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, well that's yeah. I mean, that's absolutely no doubt
that the banks would prefer it to be all digital
and have complete control over it. Absolutely no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
And clip the ticket along the way.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
And that's probably a good reason to oppose it.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
Yeah, yeah, thank you guys, and thank you.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Quick text to the headlines, Guys, people need to actually
walk the talk. They may say they want care, but
don't use it, use it or lose it. People when
they say the Reserve Bank that says care about your privacy,
just reverse for that statement is true. This is the
thin edge of the wedge. We need to be worried
about how digital currency could be used by the banks,

(56:24):
including the Reserve Bank, in ten twenty thirty years time.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah well, and this Texas says tooth fairy. And strippers
still like cash, They certainly do. But in the world
of strippers, show girls, down a custom street and Arkland's
on fire right now, lunchtime fire. It's closed the roads
for a while. So yeah, the strippers there won't be
able to take your cash for a while.

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Speaker 3 (58:06):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about
the role of cash in society today. The Reserve Bank
has been looking at this idea of a digital currency
for some time. They had consultation with New Zealanders about
how they feel about physical cash, and by and large
most said that they are still very keen on using
physical cash. So we've asked you the question on how

(58:27):
do you use cash in your life?

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Is it still important?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, get lots of text through on nine two nine two,
and lots of calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Went to my bank and tried to take thirty k
out and they told me they didn't have it and
there would be a cash handling fee. I told them
that they did indeed have to give it to me.
They would make the list of options to a new
build unlimited money. Blah blah blah. I should have read

(58:50):
that in advance before I got stuck into it. But yeah,
it's hard to get in there.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
But the cash handling fee, what's that about? It's your
money in the bank and they want to clip the
ticket again. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call borus?

Speaker 4 (59:03):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Oh, Borus? I think we've got you now.

Speaker 7 (59:09):
Yeah, you got me the entire high But one of
the key things for me is that what we're going
to understand is they're talking about CBDC. We've always had
digital currencies if you think we've had credit cards and
all of those sorts of things digitally used for decades.
So the only difference is the word central and when
you look at what that means is right, it literally

(59:31):
means that every transaction will be captured on blockchain. But
this is not our banks, This is thus central banks, right,
and their claim they're under what they call a Bank
of International Settlements. And if you ever listen, and it's
on YouTube, so it's not heresay, it's right there. The
head of that organization basically saying the expression of money

(59:51):
means that we can't see it. Therefore we have no
idea how it's been used. With our digital currency, we
can see everything you do, right, And when you look
at Britain, who's got a CBDC in happening now other countries,
it's called programmable country currencies, and this is again this
is this is you can go and see it yourself.

(01:00:12):
And basically what that means is that every transaction that
we make, instead of it being between me and Visa,
or me and MasterCard, it's now me and our reserve bank,
and that is there. And so by programmable, that simply
means that they can put any rules across that money
that they choose. That to me is unbelievably frightening. And

(01:00:35):
we can't go backwards from there. I mean that literally,
some people refer to that as a digital prison, and
it's like, once we go there, we can't. If you
give an organization like a government or whatever it is,
this amount of play, they never give it back. It's
never come backwards, right, So it's like once that's in place,

(01:00:57):
that's in place. And when you look at remember when
Canada had the issues around the truck, they basically stopped
the payment. They stopped all of these truckers from being
able to access their bank account. It's all of these
sorts of things. So they've been doing it in ways
for a little while, but it's really problematic. And and
and the other thing just the people who are closing

(01:01:18):
our ATMs is the banks themselves. You know, I live
I live in Titerangi and we've got a thing where
they've reduced out our ATMs. So they've gone out of Tinderangi.
They've gone out of here and they've got to so
now you're right, so accessing cash means that we actually
have to go into that bank at New Lens. So
they make it really difficult. And it's like I like them.

(01:01:41):
Mean that I saw the other day and it was
in China. It's real. They actually had a power power
failure and there's a guy with a little table and
like almost in the field with a generator and he
had like about one hundred little charges on it. And
all of these people were Cue for Africa charging their
phones because in China, your phone is your money, right,

(01:02:04):
it's you it's your watch, right. But it's like that's
the reality of where we're going. And it's just I,
for one, don't want that. I mean, I think privacy
is important and what I do with my money shouldn't
be dictated by someone else. So if I want to
buy fast food, I should be able to buy fast food.

(01:02:27):
I shouldn't be I shouldn't be told that you're eating
too much fast food, or your carbon footprint, your personal
carbon footprint as too much. And so therefore, outside of
this perimeter, if you remember the fifteen minutes, he's in
the lens of the thing around the world at the moment.
It's just I'm just sort of saying enough's enough. And
as someone else said, an expression of a fifty dollars

(01:02:48):
note is fifty dollars. It doesn't matter how many times
it's used, it's still fifty dollars. Whereas I refuse to
use Payway just simply because I don't see why I
should give someone two and a half per cent, because
someone's paying for it, and that's a ridiculous amount of
money for someone to make on a transaction that involves
no humanity. There's no human attached to that. It's a

(01:03:10):
completely electronic transaction. So they're taking two and a half
percent of one hundred dollars, which is two dollars fifty
every time you do that, So it's like it's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
So it seems that this is the way we're going though,
so not you know, not not the whole digital currency thing,
but that that just seems like a natural progression from
people having less actual as you say, fifty dollars is
in the their pocket and their paywaving. So what do
you suggest for people that don't like it? How do
you push back and how do you stop this from happening.

Speaker 7 (01:03:40):
I think we stop it from happening by actually using cash, right,
So yeah, it's like you mentioned about Americans. Americans love
their cash and and I just think that we've got
to maybe have a love affair with our cash again
because I use cash all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
But you go to some places now and they just
say no cash. Yeah, this is many more places than.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
Up And I say that you're absolutely right, and I
basically put my hand up on this sort of say one,
this is legal tender, so you actually have a responsibility
to be accept my legal tender. And so they said,
but if you're not prepared to meet this legal tender,
I'm sorry, I can't buy from you. And so therefore,
in a sense, I'm voting with my feet that will change.

(01:04:26):
Just imagine this if this has happened overseas where fifty
people have basically gone around with their trolleys and they've
all got to the counter where it's sort of like
digital only, and they've basically all stood there, and so
they said, well, here's our cash, and they've sort of
said we won't take it. So all fifty people just
walk away, leaving their trolleys there. It doesn't take long

(01:04:48):
before they'll sort of say, well we'll accept the cash. Right,
So if we've got to also stop and sort of
see the bigger picture. But if you have a look
at our banks are owned by four companies largely fifty
percent of our companies is owned by four companies. That's
City Bank, National Nominees, Morgan, and HSBC, right they own

(01:05:11):
fifty percent of our banks right now. And those guys
want us to behave in a certain way because if
you look at the ownership of them, it all comes
back to dare I say, people like black Rock, State
Street and a bunch of key people. And by the way,
these are the same people who own people the FED,
you know, organizations like the feed which is privately owned,

(01:05:32):
not government owned. Right, so it's in their best interests
that they do this sort of thing, right and so,
and I don't want you to notice, but the number
of footprints that the banking footprints coming down. So there's
becoming a whole concentration of banks. And this is an
interesting aspect, guys, because when you look at the successful
countries in the world. I remember when Chow and Lai

(01:05:54):
came into China and they were pretty broke. He was
faced with either a Russian model, which is like one bank,
and he basically said no. So he went and launched
five thousand banks overnight. And the revolution that's happened in
China has been amazing, right. And then you have a
look at Germany, who's also got lots and lots of
small county banks and lots of and they have always

(01:06:17):
been so strong, right because of that local lending. We
don't have local ending here in New Zealand. Every time,
like I look after small businesses, and every time one
of my small businesses goes to a bank, they get
treated like retail. They basically get it's like you're buying boat,
and it's like, no, I'm needing to buy plant and
the banks just simply don't get it, and so we

(01:06:39):
don't get it, and therefore no one in New Zeala's
productivity is one of the lowest in the OECD, right
because we don't have banks set up. I mean, this
is what Kiwibank should be doing. To be honest, Qwish
Bank should be the small bank for all of our
nine percent of our businesses as sneeze, that should be
our sneed bank. It should be our sneed bank. And

(01:07:00):
if we did this and we started to activate funding
of all of these sorts of things, our economy would
just left and we would get productivity gains because all
the some guys to be starting the automated elements of
the business and so they pick things up, which will
reduce the price of things, which speaks things up again
and row. So I mean, there's so many good reasons
why I think we can use our banks to our benefit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Well, thank you so much for for your thoughts, Bruce.
It kind of reminds me of the Old Dead Kennedy's
album Give Me Convenience, Will Give Me Death. So we
just take convenience, convenience, convenience because having cash is annoying
and running afloat, and the business is annoying, and all
of it takes time. And you've just got people like
me with my watch and the convenience of paywaving it.
But we're just giving away more and more control just

(01:07:44):
for it's given me convenience or give me death, and
that basically what happens is you're giving away a lot
just for a little bit of convenience.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Nicely said, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call love to hear your thoughts on
how you use cash and is it still vitally important?

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
It is eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred Taylor
Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four news talk, say'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Sixteen to three. We're talking about how you use cash.
In twenty twenty four, the Reserve Bank put out a
big consultation to kiwis asking whether it's still important to them,
and most keywis came back and said, yeah, absolutely it is.
This is on the back of them looking at a
digital currency. Morris, how are you Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:08:27):
Okay, boys, not too bad.

Speaker 13 (01:08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:08:30):
The thing is that the banks are all key and
no responsibility. Hence when there was a cyclone, Oh it's
not our fault. Nothing works. We ne's responsibility. We're not
doing anything to help out the people with no credit
cards that can have the old zips at that's.

Speaker 14 (01:08:43):
The level today.

Speaker 20 (01:08:45):
We're not going to serve petrol stations and we're going
to punish people and charge the more interest if you're
not greened. According to us, they formed a cartel that
it means dairy farmers will probably pay three or four
percent more in interest because they're ripping this off. This
is a classic example. My daughter, she's thirty three years old.
She had four hundred grand and saving from when she
left university. She went to borrow one point two million

(01:09:07):
dollars to buy first home. Right, ye, she was well
within the limits all of this. Some POxy little twenty
six year old wrung her up and said, when declining
your loan, because are responsible? You have that amount of coffee,
you go and drink wine, and you buy designer clothes.
Who's that tweat's on quarter of million dollars a year.
She's living well within a Meand so what I did?

(01:09:28):
I rung him up and said, I want to close
all my accounts, so we're substantial, close all our oas everything,
We're out of here, we're leaving you. Yeah, they rung there.
It was one of the big wigs rung up the
North Island manager for this particular about rug ups.

Speaker 15 (01:09:42):
It gets duff.

Speaker 20 (01:09:44):
They couldn't believe it. Within twenty five minutes would changed
to A and Z who don't have that moral compass
of what these morons had, and the order gone alone
and they said, well why they They gone around and said,
you have three cups of coffee a day, you have
sushi three times a week, and you go and have
glasses of wine with the girlfriends. Yeah, they were winging
over that.

Speaker 17 (01:10:03):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
You know, Well, it's stupid. It's none of their business.
And I know that was crazy. It was even more
crazy about a year ago when they were going through
all the uber eats people were having before they would
give them a personal loan. And as you say, it's
none of their business, particularly when you're earning that sort
of money. But part of it, Maris, is that to
be you know, a lot of the ways to get
ahead with the financial system. We've got us to be
part of the banking situation. That is how you get

(01:10:26):
leverage to get a mortgage, to get into a home.
That is how you can buy shares.

Speaker 15 (01:10:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Part of getting ahead in this life has been a
part of that system, is it not.

Speaker 20 (01:10:35):
I don't think so. I think our biggest problem is
we're earn and spend and then we get ourselves up
and honestly this to my kids. Save, save, save and
borrows and clear the debt as fast as you can.
You know, we were in farming in the bad times
like now when farmer was very poor. A few years
that we've brought a whole lot more dairy farms. We
got stuck into it, you know, and now the things

(01:10:56):
are really good. We're paying down debt flat out so
we can get out of it as fast as you can.
And the biggest problem of society now were so get
that credit.

Speaker 14 (01:11:03):
Card out or we can't.

Speaker 20 (01:11:05):
We'll just play a little bit more interest.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:11:07):
That's mentality because the banks have hopped usin and it's
like being a drug addict. It's no different than being
a padict. You're hopped on the use of the soft
money that they give you, and when you really need them,
they dump on you. They're not there for you and
in small businesses are the most effective. But that's what
drives our economy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
The banks aren't the.

Speaker 20 (01:11:26):
Good guys in this. In today's example was a classic
because when I was listening to the the thing, well,
we're not going to serve petrol stations. But then the
buck comes and you'll listen to the but we will,
we will find it some at higher interests because because
we're going to punish them because they're affecting the environmental impact.

(01:11:46):
But the banks don't care about the fact that they've
got these massive, big databases that use a huge amount
of coal fired power to keep them running, keep all
their information all clean. They're one of the biggest pluters
out you know. And then all this lithium stuff and
then all the modern day metals that go into the
stuff that's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
The great as a dairy farmer, yeah, I mean, the
banks are moralizing about how other people do their businesses.
It's more than I think most of us can stomach.

Speaker 20 (01:12:12):
But if you look at it, what they're using, they're
using environmental impact to form a cartel. Oh no, we're
not forming a cartael to rip people off on interest.
This is for the environment. They've just hoodwinked the system.
And what the government said, nothing, get off the raft.
The mists were saying, no, you can't do that, you
can't do this. They're not going to leave the Ziela
because they're ripping his officers. They make more money here

(01:12:32):
than what they make in Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Yeah, fair enough to thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Hey, fellas, I was in Cokorda when the earthquake hit
and we had no power for a few days. I
was lucky that I had cash in my safe so
I could buy food as well as being able to
help other people out. Cash is and must for those situations.
Cheers Anthony, yep, great point. Keep those teats coming through.
On ninety two nine two. I can run around with
my Apple Watch all I want in the case of
a disaster, and I'm not going to be able to

(01:12:56):
do much.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Yeah, good luck. It is eleven minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four News TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
News Talks the B. It is eight to three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
We're talking about cash. Do you still use it. How
do you feel about a cashlest society. I was at
the Here we Go. Maybe someone's who hyped on coffee,
et cetera to use the cash. Yeah, that's right, I do.
I'm overly caffeinated on the show. Maybe that's why I
my apple washed. I've got time. I don't have the
attention span to stand around and have over cash. Hey, guys,

(01:13:35):
what about the evandale markets on Sundays? It takes fifty
K in a day. Yeah, that's that's right, the markets. Yeah,
you know, I was at a farmer's market the other
day and I didn't have cash, and I was having
to stand there and get their bank account number and
do that transfer. But yeah, you've got to take You've
got to get cash if you're going to go to
a farmer's market, or as someone was saying, if you
want to buy strawberries on the side of the road

(01:13:56):
or something.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Yep, and this one there, get guys.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
It has been calculated that it costs a small business
approximately four point eight percent to process cash. They have
to count it, provide change, have a float, and finally
where the bank changes them to count it again. My dear,
he wanted to charge me two point five percent for
the paywaves and now I only pay cash.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Cash is king.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Sam? Your thoughts on Sorry Sam, your thoughts on cash?

Speaker 21 (01:14:25):
Yes, today, Matt and Tyler, I'm just ringing on cash.
I'm a treasurer of a private sports club here in
Auckland's north shore, just a fillion. We handled all purchases
of beer, everything cash only. There's no electronic facility. It's
got to be cash and the boys get it from
the local ATM now village here, and in fact I've

(01:14:47):
got the envelope here. Now I've got a deposit money
now that the banks have all closed in this area,
as I've been directed to the ATM machine and we
deposit all the money into the local ATM machine. But
it's cash only, so nothing, no electronics, no nothing, and
that's working well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
And that's so you have no interest in going to
it's just getting an E plus machine.

Speaker 21 (01:15:11):
It's been discussed at a GM and at the club's meetings,
but the boys prefer to us as a boys club,
of course sports club. They want to stick to the
cash only. Some of them are not interested in going
to the electronics. Probably a few mistakes, but no, I

(01:15:31):
got down there cash up cashed up this morning. It's
all all of our board, even it goes through the
accountant and now it's cash.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
And do you got do you have to go to
the bank to get your float together?

Speaker 21 (01:15:45):
That I had to travel. I had named the suburb
here because the hours is closed down here, and ten
dollar notes are the ones that we run out frequently.
We keep a stack, a stack of five dollars, heaps
of them. We help out some of the businesses, heaps
of two dollar coins. In fact, I need to again
travel to another suburb and being supply of those. Yeah,

(01:16:11):
so it's ten dollars, but we're all right for five,
but it's ten dollar notes we go through and to
get the bundle leeds probe about a month ago, we're
going to be at five hundred bucks worth the lasts,
and I had to it was like walking across water.
I had to show them my own personal card. I
really got gun over scrutinized. Yeah, just to draw out

(01:16:34):
five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Yeah, yeah, just to set up a float so you
can sell some Yeah. Yeah, well you keep it going
because we need people to if we're not gonna if
we're not going to slide down, the slippery slope towards
a digital currency and a cash the society. Then we
need people like you Sam, that is there's running a
float and going through the pain of it and keeping

(01:16:56):
cash bars and stuff such. Going so good on you.

Speaker 21 (01:17:01):
Yes, no thanks guys Sam, cash cash can keep it going.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Thank you very much. Right, good chat. I think that's
where will leave it, because after three something that happened
to you pretty recently, Matt the old shotgun etiquettes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Yeah, that's right. And we're getting into the time of
the year where people are going to be heading out
in holiday and you can be do long distance driving.
But this particular incident happened across town in Auckland, which
can be a long time on the road even if
it's long distance, especially if you're coming from East Auckland
into town. So we are on the road for forty
minutes and the person in my passenger of sleep seat

(01:17:37):
just rolled the seat back and went to sleep and
left me lying on driving on my own. So my
question is what are the responsibilities of the person in
the shotgun seat.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
This is going to be good. O. Wait, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Nine
two nine two is the text number Newsport and Weather
on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. I
hope you're having a great afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Don't reckon love me to my album.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
This time I rested you right there all alone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four News Talk said,
be well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Good ay to you, welcome back into the show, seven
past three and looking forward to the next discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
My screen's fallen over Tyler disaster in this duty just
to reinvent the wheel and put my put my screen
together so I can see everyone's what everyone's doing out there,
the text and stuff. Well, hey, look, here's a text
from Mikey havevac the great New Zealander good a gentleman.
How refreshing to hear the did Kennedy's reference on News Talks.
He'd be ho ho ho? I was talking before about
the Kennedy's compilation album Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death?

(01:19:03):
I mean, whatn't what an album? It was too my boy,
that that loobe over my childhood. And look, I know
what you're probably thinking. You can't reference compilation albums around that,
there's no credibility of that. But California, uberalas you've got
holiday in Cambodia, you've got too drunk to people will
know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
There, you played some before. I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
I hadn't heard much of the did Kennedy's but my
own mind, that was good. Right onto the topic that
we want to have to check to you over the
next forty five minutes or so.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
Shotgun etiquette.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, shotgun etiquette. So I had this incident, and look,
it's going to be controversial that I that I mentioned this.
So if you're listening, Rosie, don't tell your daughter that
I'm talking about her again. But so we're driving back
and we're going to talk about this yesterday we ran
out of time, but we were driving back from from

(01:19:56):
East Auckland into town and that in the weekends in Auckland,
that takes a very very long time. And this was
even worse because there was an accident. So we get
in the car. I'm driving because I I hadn't been
having any drinks, so I was one driving and we
get in the car and my lovely partner love it
a bits, but she goes, I'm just going to roll

(01:20:18):
the chairback and have a sleep, And so she sleeps
all the way into town. And this trip absolutely blows
out because because of the accident on the side of
the road and the traffic. So I'm sitting there by
myself for forty five minutes. And look, I'm a peaceful person,
and look I'm not easily annoyed. I wrote a whole

(01:20:38):
book about this, The Lifeless Punishing. Yeah, but I was
sitting there thinking and contemplating in my head, putting together
the list of shotgun responsibilities. The person in the passenger
seat what their responsibilities are, and in her defense, I
don't think that the same rules apply in the shotgun
seat within a city. I think the shotgun rules are

(01:21:00):
primarily designed for intercity travel, long distance. Long distance. Yeah,
and look, there's a whole lot of other shotgun about
bagging the shotgun and all that kind of stuff. I
don't want to get into those rules. Who gets the shotgun.
It's always the partner, the girlfriend. They get the shotgun
the car, but or if not in that situation, who
sees it first and makes the shotgun motion and goes shotgun?

(01:21:23):
But anyway, that's a different thing. There's certain responsibilities and
these you're basically the co pilot. You're a support person
for the driver because they grow a long distance driving
is very important and your safety is very important. So
I put together a list in my head of the
responsibilities of the passenger seat personnel, the co pilot, the

(01:21:43):
shotgun and the person in the shotgun position, and I'd
like to share them with you. And e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine nine two is the text number.
Whether I've missed any or you disagree with them, I'd
love to hear from you. And some people believe that
the person in the shotgun seat has no responsibilities at all,
they're just a passenger.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Well, those people are crazy. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Yeah, I mean, your job is almost as important as
as the driver. Huge. It's it's like being the co
pilot and the plane. And also just for your own safety,
because if you go to sleep in the shotgun seat
and then the driver goes to sleep, both pilots are
asleep and that's an absolute disaster time. So for your
own safety being being the support person and ready to

(01:22:25):
take over if things go down. In my opinion, look,
I'll go through that have we got time for the
Have we got time for this list now? Or shall
we come back with it?

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Let's come back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Let's be back with it and say so. We'll hear
your point of view. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
It is eleven past three, it's caught a past three,
and we're talking about shotgun etiquettes as in the front
seat passenger.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm just responding to a bunch of people
texting and about the tennity, so I'll just zone back
in to the show. Yeah, we're talking about the responsibilities
of the person and the passenger's sheet the passenger seat
also known as shotgun. Ye, both the safety and support
responsibilities of that person. We'd love to hear your thoughts
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty or Texas in nine
to nine.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Who you have written a list and we're going to
get to that pretty shortly, but just a quick couple
of texts. One here, giddy guys. I'm often the sober driver,
which I have no problem with. However, drunk husband does
not always make for a great traveling partner. So I
encourage him to sleep with my love song classics that
has him storing in no time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
That's the way everybody's happy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
This Texas has driven thirty eight US states, and my
wife slept for seventy five percent of them. Yeah, I mean,
you can't be going to sleep. You've got to be
the support person. That's one of my rules. I don't
want to spoil them. It's illegal. The safety bout doesn't
work if you're lying flat.

Speaker 16 (01:23:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
This is on the story that someone who were named
natalists who will remain nameless, that was in the passenger
seat when I was driving restly reclined her seat and
went to sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
And Lance says, what is wrong with you? Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
My wife and kids go to sleep the moment we
leave town. I have control over the radio. Listen to
what I want. Don't have to talk about stuff that
doesn't interest me in the slightest It is heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Well, look, you may change your mind Lance when you
hear my shotgun responsibility rules, because I believe they will
offer you the support that you need. And there is
you know you don't want an unconscious shotgun because because
they can't provide you what you need.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Yeah, all right, it's a massive role. Okay, I'll wed
one hundred eighty ten acy, what are the rules for
the front seat passenger in Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
I'm not going to read that out. I know what
you mean by that. That's come on, that's that is
not the responsibility of the shotgun.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Grow up, mate, Marlin, how are you are you?

Speaker 18 (01:24:39):
I'm just having a flesh pack driving from Grand King
and the Tucsons. I'm also remembering while I was vating
and plegs, no gas station would take an American Express
the sut which was nauseating. So you're talking about two
hours trying to get guess and flegs. The point of
what my daughters were doing with my permission was that

(01:25:01):
in any random moment they were allowed to reach around
from behind and slap me in the face. And I
don't mention to do this, but they did at random
sleep with random pleasure, which well, of course woke me up.

Speaker 13 (01:25:18):
But we stayed safe.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
That's my little So that's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Some that's sort of some back seat help.

Speaker 13 (01:25:27):
Yeah, it was a long trip.

Speaker 18 (01:25:29):
Yeah, we needed to stay alive, so I knew, and
all lot, you know, starting to go to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Sweep and they gave it heaps.

Speaker 14 (01:25:43):
Marlon.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Yeah, Merci, yeah, so much for your for your call, Malon.
All right, Are we ready?

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Yeah, we're ready ready.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
And yeah, as I say, if I've missed any or
you disagree with any, I'd like to hear from you,
because I think we need to lock this and stone
as the iron clad. Maybe the a c a A
will back these up and maybe they'll be legislated.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
We'll get a sponsor on board.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
So yeah, one hundred and eighteen eighty nine two ninety two.
Your thoughts on this passenger seat or shotgun responsibilities? Okay, yep.
You have to keep the driver company, definitely, So it's
your responsibility to stay awake and have decent chat and
just keep them company on the drive. Right, You're the companion,
that's your job. You're in charge of the music and entertainment.

(01:26:33):
So you are in charge of choosing the music and
or the podcast that you're going to listen to, or
the audio you know, the audio book or whatever. You're
in charge of the entertainment. Okay, that's that is one
of the privileges you get. You know that that is
a privilege, and that's almost your pay for being the
shotguns situation.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Okay, is that an agreement with the driver though, there
has to be agreed with with the driver it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Nope, well you can well actually number two unless it
contradicts rule three. Okay, breath thrill, you can't three. You
can't be stressing the driver out with arguments and bs.
You can't be sitting there and running an argument with
the driver and stressing them out.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
That's a great rule. That's a great rule.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
So so you're in charge of the music and entertainment,
but if that is causing stress of the driver, then
you've got to shut that down. You're in charge of
opening and handing the driver snacks and drinks is needed, yeap?

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Love that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Yeah, love that, because you can't have the driver fiddling
around trying to open a packet of chips or trying
to open their bottle. That the driver can just point
at what they need and then you have to sort
it out for them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Coke please, I'm talking about the drink, not the other stuff.
But yeah, yeah, they take off the lid yet, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yep. You're in charge of additional navigational information, such as
looking up locations on your phone.

Speaker 16 (01:27:44):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
So you basically know where you're going. But if you're
saying you're pulling into town and go, oh, where's the Bunnings,
we need to buy something. Yep, you know that that
passenger the shotgun is in charge of finding that information.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Okay, that is huge to me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
And can I have amendment on that is that they've
got to be fast on it. That if I've asked
for somewhere that I want to go, that they have
to bring up that navigation and Matt pretty fast.

Speaker 16 (01:28:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
And five can't contradict three. You can't be stretching the
driver out with arguments and bs. Oh yeah, yeah, thank you, yeah, yeah, okay.
So three is an important one that that overrides all
the other ones. And six you are in charge of
child discipline and backseat discipline in general.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
These are so good, These are so good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
So those are my six rules for the for the shotgun.
So have I missed any eight hundred eighty ten eighty
or nine two nine two is the text number?

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
It is nineteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talk SIB.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
Twenty two pass three. This is great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Yeah, this is firing people up this one. And I've missed,
I've missed a rule. So I gave my six rules
of shotgun responsibilities. Is there's one clear one that I've
missed that's coming through. Yeah, and that is I. Look,
we'll get to that in a second, but let's go
to the phoneses.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Eh, Peter, what do you reckon about the rules for
the front driver companion?

Speaker 20 (01:29:10):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:29:10):
Mate, I used to have got to hitching and Assie.
I once hitched from Sydney to Darwin, which is about
five two hundred kilometers.

Speaker 20 (01:29:17):
Wow, and you get picked up.

Speaker 22 (01:29:19):
You'll get picked up by trucking who already been awake
for eighteen hours and they got another six hours to
where they're going in the real Number one, did you
argue with the guy? You start a topic and it's
not a hard argument. You've got to keep that guy awake.
He has picked you up for any reason but to
keep himself de fake.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
So is that trust to have a saying something controversial
for you kick back on with the express purpose of
getting you in a discussion, to keep himself awake?

Speaker 22 (01:29:46):
Oh hell are you mate?

Speaker 21 (01:29:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:29:47):
Yeah, yeah, you don't be hard, but you get a
topic going. Ah. But whether it be sport NRL or
whatever it be, you've got to keep him engaged because
when you're in like fifty tons a truck and he's
been away for eighteen hours and he's probably popped all
sorts of bells before you've got in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
He's on that dirty Aussie truck of speed.

Speaker 22 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and they have nothing if you ain't catting to
them and keeping them away kick out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah, Well that's you've raised an interesting thing, Peter, because
my third one was you can't be stressing the driver
out with arguments and bs. But what you're saying actually
contradicts that, because in certain occasions that this is why rules.
You know, you've got to You've got to put them
out there for discussion because sometimes the driver might need
the stressful argument to keep them awake.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
This is great sleep deprived truckies. You got to what
was you go to?

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Peter? What what was you go to?

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
If you jump in a truck and you say, right,
what am I going to rack up the truck driver about?

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
What was you go to?

Speaker 22 (01:30:47):
Oh? It was the nineteen nineties, mate, And they're pretty
written neck and Ausie eight. If you're even hinted at
being woke.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
They so your job was to jump in and say
something super woke to keep them away. Hey, thank you
so much, for you call Peter cheers.

Speaker 16 (01:31:04):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Okay, so yes, I might have to amend that rule through.
And you can't be stressing the driver out with arguments
and bs and this. It's an assie truck driver that's
been up for eighteen hours.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
Kelly, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (01:31:18):
Ah?

Speaker 23 (01:31:18):
Hi, guys, No, I'm good.

Speaker 15 (01:31:19):
I have one rule in my car.

Speaker 23 (01:31:21):
When I'm driving and this driver picks some music, shotgun
shuts his cake hole.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Oh really all right, that seep. But see on the
exact opposite, because I've got the rule the shotgun is
in charge of the music and entertainment. So you say
that that you want, you want the shotgun to be
quiet and leave the music alone. Do they have to
facilitate the music you want? Though? Do they have to
operate the stereo system?

Speaker 24 (01:31:50):
No, they don't.

Speaker 23 (01:31:51):
I have it on ZIB at night when I'm bringing
the boys home from work or taking them to work
in the morning, and it stays on that unless I
feel like listening to a bit of their Red Crab, which.

Speaker 15 (01:32:03):
Is not very often.

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Well, Marcus Slash is like having a good conversation with
you in the car anyway.

Speaker 24 (01:32:08):
Yeah, yeah, I have a bit of an argument with them.

Speaker 16 (01:32:12):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
And what about the other rules that Matt listed, Kelly,
I mean, do you get the boys to hand here
the pie or open up the can of coke if
you need.

Speaker 23 (01:32:21):
I will get them to hand me. I don't eat pie,
so we're lucky with that. But you know I will
get them to open me a drink if need be. Otherwise,
the hand to themselves and they aren't allowed to recline,
you see either.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah all right, well, well thank you so much, Kelly.
You might be in breach with some of those rules,
so we'll be reporting you to the police around that
operating your own entertainment and music. Hey, but the one
that's coming through here, the most air condition and heat
ratios need to be kept an optimal level for the driver.
That's that's what That's the one I missed. So the

(01:32:58):
shotgun is also in charge of AC.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
Yeah, that's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
You've got to be making sure it's a decent temperature
for everyone, and you know we're not for everyone, just
for the driver who cares about the losers and the
vacat exactly. Yeah, they can fry, but you've got to
make sure that you control the ear temperature perfectly for
the driver's requirements.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
That's a great one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
So add that as number seven oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number. Call love to hear
your etiquette for the front seat companion when you're driving.
It is twenty six past three. Back very shortly.

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Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Thank you very much, Raylean.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
So we're talking about shotgun responsibilities if you're in the
passenger's seat, and a lot of people like this as
text that's come through for Mark. All my cars have
applecar Play. Don't touch the stereo and I'll sort the
heating out. Sit there and shut up. Mike, haven't been
listening to what I've been saying. The shotgun responsibilities if
required by the driver, So the driver can take over
any of these responsibilities that they want themselves. So you

(01:35:18):
know you're in charge absolutely. So here are the shotgun
responsibilities if required by driver. You have to keep the
driver company yep, So you can't go to sleep if
the driver asks you to stay and have some good chat.
You're in charge of music. And entertainment.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
You can't be stressing the driver out with arguments and bs.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
That's a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
That's huge. You're in charge of opening and handing the
driver the snacks and drinks they need.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Five. In the shotgun position, you're in charge of additional
navigational information, such as looking up locations on your phone.
You also need to find bathrooms when needed for the driver.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Here's good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Six you're in charge of child discipline and general back
seat just discipline if there's no child in there. You're
in the control of the ACC and eight BAC, not
the ACC and eight gates. You're in charge of opening
gates and putting the gas in and getting food at
the service station.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
It's a big roles role.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
It's huge, it's absolutely huge.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty. Is there anything
that Matt has missed in his list.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Or gotten wrong one about getting the gas? It might be,
might be you're definitely in charge of getting the gates. Yeah,
if you're driving through a sort of a rural situation
and there's gates involved, but getting the gas might be
a step too far.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Well, you've either got to go in and pay for
it or pumped the gas one or the other. If
you're in the front seat, then it's up to the
driver to determine. Hey, you pump the gas an old page.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
You can't just sit there on insta.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
No, You've got to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Got to you got to look up from your phone
to help.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
Martin, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:36:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:36:52):
Good things, jameson look, I think your shotgun number one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Hang on a minute, stop right there, Martin. I'm not James,
I'm mad. Okay, it's me Matte. Yeah, that's all good.

Speaker 17 (01:37:03):
I think that your shotgun number one is critically important. Yeah,
stay asleep in front eat. I mean, I've spent twenty
years driving drive for educational campaign and I've had countless,
countless stories where people, couples of others have actually swapped drivers.
One of drivers felt tired, cont passions at the front seat,

(01:37:23):
fallen asleep, and then they've driven off the road, whether
it be the desert road, whether it be be anywhere.
So that's really really important and the gravel. Some number
of fatals and also serious crashes have been when the
drivers when the driver's fallen asleep. Now I actually I
actually go but stepped for it. Further. I think it's
a bit of psychosomatic, the fact you're creating a bit

(01:37:45):
of a sleep environment. When you've got to sleeper next
to you, you've probably been in a similar location and
probably both tied. But and also Ie even go a
step further, they haven't got research. It's a bit to me,
it's a bit like the contagious three of yawning, where
you actually, you know, when you go to parties and
you yawn and everyone else yawns. They did forty years

(01:38:05):
study medical school that showed that there are five and
the number one theories is communication with the big eight
little guys go to bed, go to sleep. I actually
think there's something in there in terms of the fact
that you're there's a communication going on or not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
I've got a question for you Martin though. And because
generally speaking, you don't want the passenger per you know,
the shotgun sleeping. But in this in this situation where
one driver is get the driver's getting drowsy, and that
person rightfully puts up their hand and says I need
to pull over because I'm drowsy, and can you take over?

(01:38:40):
And then potentially at that point then that person can
have a bit of a sleep. What do you think
about that?

Speaker 17 (01:38:46):
Well, that the case is often where they've been out,
you know, out like both and they both seek deprived.
Even though slapping the driver is the right message if
the other drivers are, the preferable thing is actually you
have a fifteen minute power nap. Time you wait ten minutes,
you're fully awaiting your about two hours worth. And that's
international message. Fifteen minute Pound, becauld save your life. Because

(01:39:09):
there's the point you make is very valid. That the
driver is actually drowsy. Is likely the pass is probably
going to be drowsy also because.

Speaker 22 (01:39:17):
I've been this.

Speaker 17 (01:39:20):
Sleep price. So the other one is what they some
people do is they don't put them in the front seat.
They might put them in the back seat, but still
you're better off having someone that they can have your
eyes open and in awake, you know, if you're in
that sort of state. Yeah, Pound, app big Rigs.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Hey, thank you so much for your call, Martin really
appreciate it. I mean this, this sort of this backs
it up to second. I'm just going to have to
just been scrolled away from me. This text I was
just read it my partner. No, it's gone and disappeared
on me what a disaster right at the bottom left,
very early one morning for Queenstown holiday, kids and I
fell asleep while husband drove to Wnica. When he fell asleep,

(01:40:02):
we all woke up when the car went off the road.
Shotgun always has to stay awake from now on, So
you know that that's sort of backing out what Martin's
saying there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Incredibly important. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Peter says, absolutely no feet on the dashboard. I think
that that's that's an absolutely given. And this person says,
don't forget, you've got to shoot bandits out the window. Yeah,
that's one hundred per cent true. That's where the shotgun
gets its name from.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Keep them coming through On nine two nine two, it
is twenty four to four.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Ethn you take on talk bag matt Ethan Tayler Adams afternoons,
have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
That'd be twenty two to four. We're talking about shotgun etiquettes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Yeah, we're putting together the complete and official list of
the responsibilities of the person in the shotgun position. So
many texts coming through on nine two nine two guys,
I think Shotgun should also look for signs the driver
is getting tired and take over. That's from Marianne's that's
a good point. So you're generally in charge of the
health of the person that's driving. Yeah, so that's true.

(01:41:05):
I mean you can't be stressing the driver out with
arguments and bs, so you can't be completely haranguing them
all the time. But if they're getting tired, I think
just for your own safety and their safety, you need
to go, hey, I think you're getting a bit tired.
Maybe we should take a fifteen minute power app Absolutely, Marianne,
that's good point. Shotgun always calls clear left at intersections

(01:41:26):
when clear driving us like top Gun guys, the navigator,
Shotgun is always checking for bogies.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
Yeah, great, takes that one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
That's good. Don't be a high toilet user. My front
seat passenger loves a public toilet. So your job in
preparation of a long chirp if you're going to be
in Shotgun as doing pelvic floor exercises, so your bladder
is in good good condition to go decent amounts of
time without having to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Yeah, that's great, Jonathan. You've got another rule.

Speaker 14 (01:41:55):
Yeah, that's to be secretary. So one of the key
distractors on people on the roads is text message comes
in and yeah, very hard to resist those text messages.
But your shotgun person is your secretary. Now, I'm a
busy property manager. I'm always available to my tenants and landlords,
and text messages coming in, my shotgun responds to those

(01:42:17):
for me. They read them out, I tell them what
to tighten back to them, and my text messages get
looked after. And they can also filled my course for
me as well, even though I've got hands free. Yeah,
I have that happening in the car while I'm in it.
So yeah, that's because as a as a top one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Being a secretary is a good one. And I don't
know what your marital or relationship situation is, but if
you're on a trip with your partner, and in my
case of it's a partner, if she's sitting there, if
you handle your phone and she's looking through it, and

(01:42:55):
she's she's going to take the responsibility to not look
through your disgusting threads that you have with your mates.
Terrible anyway, just the business at hand.

Speaker 14 (01:43:08):
And as sing enough, being in a late model European
car if you pretend to go to sleep. It's got
little senses watching the driver. What it does is it
shapes the steering wheel. It puts the air conditioning onto
cold and puts it on full board, and it pulsates
the air in your face. Plus it turns the radio
up onto full volume. So that are some of the

(01:43:28):
things that are available in the late model cars, which
are just the same things you've been talking about. Climate control,
having that temperature that suits the driver not the passengers,
and keeping things running that way. Secretarial service and I
really liked your list. It is spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Yeah cool. I'm going to add that I'm taking care
of life Edmund. Yep, there's another responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
So you're running a communication the communications center, Yeah, communications
center life. What would you call that? If you're in
sort of a military set, you're the communications officer, you're
the communications officer.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
Yeah, uh Colin, how are you this afterday? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:44:12):
Very good, very good. Most of the some of the
trucks these days have the old fatigue management system and
there which is link to the company and if you
they get warning tell actually ring you. But if you
get a fatigue on these we have what's called a
seat shaper attached to the driver's seat. When I say
five braids, it doesn't give you a nice little butt.

(01:44:33):
It shakes the limits. Jesus down here. The alarms go
off and it's so loud it's scarce of delivering crapt Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
And Colin, how's that? How's that set off? Is that
if your if your eyesight drop, your eye line drops,
or or what is that?

Speaker 12 (01:44:48):
All of those? All of those too much awning, if
you're looking out the window too long, if you're not
concentrating on the road. You can't even you can't even
wear the darkest glasses that still sees your eyes. Wow,
and in position and things like that. You know, you can't.
You can't beat it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Ter all the time. And and you like having that there, Colin,
is that something you approve of?

Speaker 18 (01:45:10):
You?

Speaker 12 (01:45:12):
Well, it's forced on us, but I mean it doesn't
bother me. It's same as the end came cameras. You know,
the cameras will go off of something, you know, for
fatigue related event occurs, so you can actually see somebody
going to sleep. But we have external cameras that go
outwards as well. The old dash cans. We have black view.
So the companies can they can be good for you.
You know, if you were in the right then you're saved.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
But the what the.

Speaker 12 (01:45:36):
Guys were saying before, suddenly other stuff I endorse was
the fatigue side of it. What are there warning signs
or there's a whole bunch of warring signs. I used
to do courses for fatigue management and ribal licensing back
in New Zealand, the physical and non physical. But some
of the things, like the people were talking about, but
also one of the people are missing is speeding up

(01:45:58):
and slowing down. The person suddenly starts to travel at
eighty k instead of one hundred k or you know,
and then they suddenly realize it starts speeding up again.
And old drift drifting in the lane, you know, tailgating
and things like that that the you know, the the
shotgun should be watching out for that. But also the

(01:46:19):
other one is if you've got a driver who's checking
away and then all of a sudden they has become
very quiet and you find them concentrating really hard on
the road. They have to teak I mean, I said,
she ever ch car driver. Most people in New Zealand
don't do many miles openlock between six and a half
and seven thou k a week, and I started running

(01:46:41):
at ten o'clock at night. So you know, we're well
used to the fatigue side of it, and we still
get caught out of it. Out again. Yeah, the one
thing you said before, I had to do a bit
of a grin. You said, oh, your shotgun partner just
hopped in there and rolled over and witness sleep. Have
you ever thought that possibly she is bored with you?

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
I'll tell you what, Colin, I do one wonder from
time to time, that's for sure. A couple of years,
a couple of years. Okay, well, I'll get back to
you in forty eight years. Thanks for your cal Colin.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Thank you, Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
This is an interesting one. That's that could possibly be
added to cleaning sunglasses as well.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. So where are you at at
the moment? Is that about list?

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
We're at ten now. But there's just another one I
saw that came through, and that's backing you up when
you're in any in any anger that you have at
other drivers. So for example, I'm not sure how I
feel about this one, but I'm just looking for the
text here sort of so many coming through it's gone
down to the bottom. Our shotgun should scream loudly and
grab the nearest handle. If you think you can't make

(01:48:01):
the massive gap and I think, I think within reason,
But you'd be a terrible shotgun if you saw a
potential accident about to happen and you didn't say anything.

Speaker 7 (01:48:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
So if if you're reversing and this can be, this
can be. There can be too much on this And
it depends how your your shotgun passenger is calibrated. Some
people think there's a disaster happening all the time, but
it would be ridiculous if you were pulling out and
into a dangerous situation and your shot gun didn't didn't
didn't be another line of alarm and a warning in

(01:48:35):
a situation.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
It's a fine line. You can reach rule number three,
but you've got to be damn sure you're right if
you do. Patrick, how are you.

Speaker 19 (01:48:47):
So lost?

Speaker 12 (01:48:50):
My dad gets annoyed at the new play.

Speaker 24 (01:48:55):
Yeah a lot?

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
And what sort of music do you play?

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Patrick?

Speaker 24 (01:49:03):
The same song?

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
What's what's that tun Patrick?

Speaker 14 (01:49:13):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Yeah? And are you are you? Are you in the passenger?
See there are you in the back seat? These days?
Patrick in Shotgun oh yeah, good. But yeah, well that's
and and if your if your father has given you
the right to play the music, has been in charge
of the music in the shotgun, then you just punish
them with the same song over and over again. Patrick,

(01:49:34):
that you're right, I.

Speaker 24 (01:49:37):
Always you're a good kid.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Good on your Patrick, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Oh one hundred eighty eighty is the number. Call Ewan,
you've got another.

Speaker 13 (01:49:52):
Get no problem.

Speaker 25 (01:49:56):
A great list there, very good idea. But like all
lists and documents, is always clauses, and I think you
need to add a situation adjustment clause. When you're a
really good friends to your family and friends, there's one
thing you'll always do for them, and be a sober driver.
When you're maturing the car and they're drunk, that list

(01:50:17):
is out the window. God, there's no chance of talking any.

Speaker 11 (01:50:23):
Sense of.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Oh no. That I mean, as a person that's been
the designated driver a lot of my life, that is
that is a trying situation. When you've got four of
the funniest people in their minds that have ever existed,
that's when you're doing God's work.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
That is trauma drivers.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Of this world, of the best of us, Hey, thank
you so much for your call. Evan.

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
Some plenty, plenty of great tickets coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
On nine to nine to two. My partner is asleep
before we hit the motorway. When we hit away, she
does have random moments throughout the journey where she wakes
up in a panic and makes me full aware, fully
aware of a fellow driver seven undermeters a head that
touched their brakes from Keith.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
Keep those coming in on nine to nine to two.
It is eleven minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
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Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
It is eight to four.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
So we've been talking about shotgun rules today for the
last hour. Shotgun being the passenger's seat person when you're driving.
And this was on the back of a person in
my life who was driving back from East Auckland in
the weekend and she just rolled the seat back and said,
I'm going to have a bit of a snooze on
the way, and it just got me thinking while we

(01:51:47):
were driving, what are the rules that the person the
shotgun you know what are their responsibilities and that very criminal.
Here is on the phone, Tracy. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
Are you Tracy?

Speaker 23 (01:51:59):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
So you were asleep for the entire drive back from
your your family Christmas back to our house, which was
about forty five minutes.

Speaker 24 (01:52:13):
I wouldn't say it was the entire time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Yes, what percentage of the time do you think it was, Tracy?

Speaker 22 (01:52:20):
I think it was.

Speaker 24 (01:52:20):
Maybe sixty to seventy five percent time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
And so that's a big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
And do you do you agree? Do you confess to
rolling your seatback slightly and saying I'm going to have
a snooze.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
I'm true yet?

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Yeah, So what was the rationale Tracy when you jumped
in the car and you turned to matt and said,
you know what, I'm just gonna have all we snooze
while we drive back.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
What was the rationale?

Speaker 24 (01:52:45):
I thought, I've had a couple of Prosecco's and it
was the middle of the day, and I thought, you know,
I've done I've done a lot. I do a lot
for Matthew during the week, yep. And I thought, this
is the least he can do for me, is just
fearing me home after a couple of proseccos as well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Argued okay, well, Tracy, love you, but these are your
official shotgun responsibilities going forward, as compiled by ZB listeners,
and this is official. Okay, so shotgun responsibilities if required
by the driver, you have to keep the driver company.

(01:53:25):
You are in charge of music and entertainment and shotgun.
You can't be stressing the driver out with arguments and bs.
You're in charge of opening and handing the driver the
snacks and drinks. They need speak up if there's any
you disagree with here.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
No objections, No, I disagree with all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
You're in charge of additional navigational information such as looking
up locations on your phone. You are in charge of
child discipline and general backseat discipline. You're in charge of
controlling the acc You're responsible for gates and getting food
at servos. You are the communications officer, so for any

(01:54:10):
text or messages coming through on the phone, So if
any of my mates are texting stuff, you have to
respond to them. And the final one is you're in
charge of cleaning my sunglasses. From the shotgun position.

Speaker 24 (01:54:24):
Sounds like you have just made all these rules up
and what's the benefit of being the passengers. There's nothing
there for.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Me, Well there is. You're getting. You're getting the best
driver in New Zealand taking your home safely.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
Come for your seat.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
So these are going to be printed out and they're
going to be stuck on the glove box and the
passenger seat for future, for future commutes.

Speaker 24 (01:54:52):
All right, all right, if you're happy for me to
be reading out all the messages on your phone, fine, so.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Good, yeah, all right, okay, then you're seem busy, I'll
let you go, all.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Right, Tracy, Right, they're done and dusted. Well, maybe Tracy
will be the driver from now on. You have to
appide by these rules.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
So I think those are pretty good official rules. I
think we're all agreed as a radio show and a
listenership that those are the eleven shotgun responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
We're going to send them to AA and the government
and get them rolled out everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
But that was a great chat. Thank you very much
for today.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
We will do it all again tomorrow Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
In the meantime, give them a taste of care.

Speaker 16 (01:55:35):
We from Med and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
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