Full Show Podcast: 12 March 2025

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Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
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Yeah. Absolutely, and you've got a decision to make when
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It's an absolutely delicious meat box from Holy Cow and Cambridge.
That's just the couriers screwed up and didn't deliver in time.
But I'm going to eat it out of respect for
the animals. We go some great advice from some great
New Zealanders out there coming around smelling meat. Also on
the show, a really really interesting chat about.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Should men pay on the first day and tell you what.

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Wait to me here, Jennifer accused Tyler of being a
male chauveness pick.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Matt got ripped apart. It was glorious. She had a
great accent, she was from South Africa and she gave
it heaps.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, no, that was There was a good chat and
procurement Chat before that.

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Yeah, good show.

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Thank you. So Happy Wednesday afternoon. Hope you're doing well.
Welcome into the show, Gareth Hebton Nora after three point
thirty and as always it's a really popular segment, so
get in early. Teach your questions through nine two ninety

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two and if you want to give Andrew a buzz on, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will get you in
the queue.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, you've got a problem in your workplace, he might
be able to help you out with it.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yep, he's fantastic. So that's after three thirty. After three o'clock.
How long can you leave meat out of the fridge?
This is a personal story for you, Matt. You were
to meat delivery.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, that's right. We wanted to do this yesterday. We
went out of time because the other topics was so
popular that we couldn't get onto this one. But yeah,
so meat was delivered and one day courier a career
delivered it three days later.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Delicious steaks, sausages and lamb.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Can I eat it?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yes, definitely. There was beautiful meat, the saucs on, but
the rest of the meat.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
So I mean, I think we've got to push these
things out. I think you always got to be questioning
everything I say, and I think that includes best by dates.
I think, question them, trust your sense of smell, and
just roll the dice. What's the worst that could happen?

Speaker 8 (03:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Love it? That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock.
It's a story in the Herald, A Man's Guide to
Midlife Dating. He offers a bunch of advice for trying
to date in later life, shall we say, But one
of the pieces of advice that we picked up on
was whether a man should be paying for the food
if you go out for dinner on a date. And

(04:13):
he mentioned his advices the three to one rule, as in,
the man should pay for three or sorry, two out
of every three dates. But it had me thinking, is
that still the right thing to do? You go out
for a date and the man always pays, even if

(04:34):
the other person on the other side of the table says, no,
I want to go, halves.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
You gotta pay. If if you're a man, you got
to pay. If it's a date and you turn up
and you don't pay, then and you like this particular person,
then your chances of securing them as a partner greatly
decrease if you don't pay, no matter what they say,
pay before they even know you've paid, you just you
just say, look, I gotta go up to the bathroom,
and you come back, and then when they're leaving, they.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Go, oh, what about the bill? You go, I paid there,
he goes, that's what you did. Smooth, very smooth.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't even don't even enter into a conversation about of
course you pay. That's ridiculous and you should always pay
for the men.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Right, well, this is going to be a good conversation
after two o'clock. And I love to hear from you
if you think that is true.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
How weak it's weak not to pay?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Always pay, always pay. That is after two o'clock. But
right now, let's have a chat about proposed changes to
government procurement. So this, the government says, will make things
easier for New Zealand businesses to win government contracts, and
most of the changes you've got to argue makes some
sense when it comes to making it easier for New
Zealand businesses to get on the table at least or

(05:39):
part of the conversation when it comes to the tender.
So some of those rules quickly that are being pushed
aside or proposed to push aside. Making sure that those
companies purchase battery electric or hybrid electric vehicles, come on, yeah,
that makes sense, get out. Yeah, purchase office supplies that
produce low amounts of waste and or are recyclable. No, yeah, stupid.

(06:00):
And pay the living wage in contracts for cleaning, catering
and security guard services.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, it's better that the contract comes to New Zealand
and you're paying some wages than the trek goes overseas
because you're being hamstrying by certain you know, things like
the living wage. Yeah, you know what if you're hiring
someone super young to do the job, you know that
has to be living wage. My eighteen year old son
doesn't deserve the living wage.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
You're like this one, Matt build new non residential government
buildings to a five star rating standards that to get
rid of it.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
We were talking about this a month ago when I
was saying, as a country, as we're rebuilding and we're
moving forward and realizing we don't have that much cash,
we have to stop going five star on everything. We
need to realize that we're not five star at the moment.
Maybe we can find our fight our way back to
be an economically five star country, but right now we
need to build some three stars. Yep, you know, that's
that's that's what we've got to do, you know, across

(06:53):
the board, just lower what everything is a little bit
in terms of how fancy and fantastic and a monument
to yourself. That's something that you build is.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Some nice motels rather than the Ritz Culton. Yeah, you
have the swimming pool but no gym.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So that's pretty harsh the five star standard.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, but in the past there has been some very
expensive projects that have gone to overseas outfits. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Famously, in twenty twenty one, the IT sector was shocked
by decision to award a thirty eight million dollar contract
for online COVID nineteen vaccination systems to a consortium of
multi billionaire global giants including Salesforce and Amazon. And when
the New Zealand IT sector was completely and utterly capable

(07:36):
of doing that, but never ever got a chance to
even look in on it.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah. Another one was walker called TAHI, the New Zealand
Transport Agency. So they announced two big tenders, one for
a one point four billion dollar nationwide integrated public transport
ticketing platform you'd remember this from two years ago, and
one for a toll road management program. Both went to
overseas companies. One point four billion dollar tender. Both of

(08:00):
those went to overseas companies.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
So the advantage for New Zealand is if the government
spends here, you boost in New Zealand employment, you increase
local expertise, and in the perfect situation, you build up
industries to the point where we're exporting and we are
getting contracts overseas and the money stays here. Surely, what
is wrong with this eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two What is wrong with the government skewing

(08:27):
things towards you know, skewing things towards going with New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
YAT love to hear from you, and if you have
picked up a contract by the government, love to hear
from you as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So here's Nicholas Willison Hosking breakfast this morning.

Speaker 9 (08:45):
Are there bigger firms in Australasia and in Asia? Sure
there are. But how do you become a bigger firm?
You actually get a few big contracts. You build up
your skill and your expertise over time. And that is
the case similar in the construction area or in many
other areas. It's actually getting the big government contracts sometimes
that allows a firm to get to an export size. Literally,

(09:05):
what we're doing is requiring every gauge agency that's using
public money that it must require that their suppliers, when
they're tendering for projects, must demonstrate how they will deliver
economic benefits to New Zealand. And agencies are required to
wait that as at least ten percent of how they
decide on the contract, and they must consider opportunities like

(09:27):
providing skills and training, employing workers here, paying taxes here,
developing New Zealand industry capabilities. And agencies need to demonstrate
when they've picked those contracts how they measured those things.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yet the Finance Minister so immediately texts coming through on
nine two nine two. You want keys to do this work.
My goodness, they'll be here forever. They are so slow
and this text here in nine two ninety two, but
keiwis are useless, are well, Well, we're never going to
get better unless we invest in the industries that we have.
I mean, we're pretty good at it. Yeah, that was
an example. We could have done that, and then you

(10:04):
can build up, build up the industry, so then we
can scale up to be these companies that can keep
doing it. But if we keep just sending our money
overseas and not supporting our own industries, then they won't grow.
How will they grow? How will they grow if we
don't support them?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yep, it's a great point. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety
two is the text number. It's quarter past one, Beggary
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Speaker 3 (10:41):
News Talks dead B, News Talks THEREB. It is eighteen
past one. We're talking about proposed changes to government procurement processes.
Arguably well, certainly too make it easier for New Zealand
firms too put a bit in for the tenders up
to fifty billion dollars of works that the government do.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's currently very very arduous to put in one of
these tenders. I was reading somewhere, you know, could be
three weeks, twenty people working for three weeks on your
tender and potentially one hundred thousand dollars just to get
in there, to be in the conversation to get it. Currently,
there's seventy one rules that agencies must follow when tender contracts,

(11:23):
and the government's looking to reduce those to forty seven.
So have you ever been involved in that, Have you
ever involved in tending the government? And how did it go?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Did you get it, did you not get it?

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And what of these ones? Do you not agree with
the government's proposing to dispense with these requirements. If you're
looking at those seventy one requirements, these are some of
the ones the government's trying to get rid of. Build
new non residential government buildings to a five star rating
standard include questions and their tender documentation about the skills,
development and training practices of the supplier and their subcontractors

(11:54):
purchase battery electrical hybrid vehicles. That's interesting that one. Now
that people are on the left, haight elon Musk has
everyone turned against dvs now? So yeah, I get yeah,
some people seem to be turning them violently. Purchase office
supplies that produce low amounts of waste and or recyclable
and this just seems like a bunch of stuff you're

(12:15):
layering onto. People pay the living wage and contracts for cleaning,
catering and security guard services. Do you disagree with removing
any of those from the procurement requirements when tendering for
government contracts?

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two nine two. And if you've been
involved in the government tender, love to hear from you. MOI,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (12:37):
I'm good, Thank you, I'm good. My texts are totally
off the side. Comment about the five stund but yeah,
oh you.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Went on a tour of the CRRL tunnel yesterday, Is
that right?

Speaker 11 (12:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (12:51):
I did, I did so. I was very fortunate to
be invited to have a tour of the tunnel. It
was only from Beastford station to met Cree Lane. But
nonetheless it was a fantastic tour. But omg, the products
are you who is absolutely I'm thinking, how can we

(13:12):
possibly afford this? Just even the walls that line it
is just this beautiful sandstone concrete material and I'd hate
to think how much they cost. They were there was
tons of it, and just even like timbers on the
ceilings and everything. They look like timbers. They were made

(13:32):
of aluminium and they looked like timber Dick, they went't timber,
And I was thinking, how can we afford all of this?
This is this is absolutely nuts and it's only two
train stations that are visited, and I'm thinking how much
I'm just thinking it doesn't surprise me. Were we are
so over budget and yes, very delayed.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's interesting. So you went on a tour of the
Sea rail Link in Auckland and you were you were
so impressed with what they've done that you were unimpressed
with how much it's spent on it.

Speaker 10 (14:04):
Basically essentially essentially, I mean, if we're fill and money
youth and we can afford it absolutely, but we're in debt,
We're in bill dollars through of and its like this
is absolutely nuts. So yeah, I just I mean, if
you put it into perspective, I went Bejing at the
end of last year for Christmas and their tunnels is

(14:28):
absolutely amazing. You have thirty lines. It looks like Spaghuty junction,
but that it is so efficient, nothing fancy, just tiles.
Everything was so clean, just simple products, you know, doesn't
cost the earth and they do things really quickly and
really efficiently and just amazing.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's a fair point. Boy. So do you think for
some of these big projects that perhaps it's not wise
to go to New Zealand firms because sometimes they don't
have the expertise or the manpower or the ability to
be able to do those contracts at the cost and
ability and time frame of some of those international firms.

Speaker 10 (15:07):
Yeah, we could easily do if they scale down the
project project, we could hire New Zealand fans to do that.
We don't need over the top products, you know, we
just need something simple. I mean, New Zealand is more
than capable of doing that. But they just overthink things

(15:28):
sometimes and that's where we get into trouble. There's supposedly
a story behind all the sandstone, you know, to do
with our milding heritage and all of that. But sometimes
simple is just better and we need that for our economy.
We can't be always over brageic, and we can't be

(15:50):
over delayed, constantly delayed in all our projects. Yeah, keep
it simple, I.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Say, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
It should just be functional rather than a monument to
people's egos so they can say I've built this amazing, beautiful. Absolutely,
it's like toys. It's like we all want to have
the best. We want to you know, like as if
you're doing your kitchen in your house or your bathroom.
You know, you can spend fifty thousand dollars on the
tiles on the on the on the wall of the bathroom,
but it doesn't work any better. It just looks better, correct.

Speaker 10 (16:21):
And the thing is you're walking through the tunnel. You're
not even sitting there to appreciate the one minute want
to get through onto the train, you know. So yeah,
you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Moy, great to chat with you. Thank you very much
for giving us a buzz. So what do you think
about Moy's idea. I mean, it is what you were saying,
that we go five star when we don't have the money.
We should be going as moy said, maybe three point
five star. Nothing wrong with three point five star. But
when you talk about legacy projects, I hate that word
legacy in there, because you're right. It is just a
legacy for someone to leave behind and that's not how

(16:58):
we should be thinking.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, i'll tell you what the City rail Link as
three point four to five kilometers. It's costing five point
five billion and around two hundred and twenty million per
year to operate and maintain. So you'd hope it's very
very very flash.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
It better be very very flash.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
But I'm pretty sure they could have made a stripped
back three point five star version that would have been
just as good. But yeah, I mean that that has
been built by the Link Alliance, which includes six New
Zealand and international companies building it, so it's all over
the world.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
That one yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number of cour plenty of texts coming through about
the changes to government procurement. If you've been involved, love
to hear from you. Is this going to make any
difference to try and get some more New Zealand firms
to the top of that list? Nine to nine tools
the text number it is twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Digging into the issues that affect you the My Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 12 (17:54):
I thought it might be fun to talk about school
lunches because the media has ignored the subject for far
too long. Of course, if you went and hired mister Cheepos,
who you knew was a problem, and that problems come
back to bite you in the bum, that's on you,
isn't it if.

Speaker 13 (18:09):
It actually it hasn't. What we've done is overcome problems
as they've arisen.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
When the.

Speaker 12 (18:16):
Problems because you went with the cheapest person in town
who was always going to cause you problems, because that's
what chief people do. Back tomorrow at six am, the
mic asking breakfast with Mayley's real Estate Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Good afternoon. We're talking about changes to government procurement, proposed
changes to make it easier for New Zealand firms to
get tenders and contracts. Love to hear from you on
OL eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you've been involved
in that process. Sounds very arduous, So love to hear
how you got on with that. Nine to nine toil
is the text number.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
So back to why things like we're talking about the
city rail Link, and Weir rang up and said she'd
just been walking through it. She said it was incredibly
flash very impressed by it, but also thinking, this is
why this thing costs five point five billion dollars. Yes,
so Sylvia says, it's because it's government money that people
think that they can go overboard and have it has

(19:09):
even everywhere and completely unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yep, thank you very much for that. Anne. How are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (19:16):
Good?

Speaker 15 (19:16):
Thanks? How you guys?

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Good?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Now you've got an example of some good spending.

Speaker 15 (19:21):
Priority, it's some sensible spending. Erica Stanford Education. She's getting
rid of all this bespoke architecture that we had for
six years. And one of the high schools in Wellington
they've had two two bedroom, two classroom blocks built and
two months each.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Wow, now that is that is impressive. And it was.

Speaker 15 (19:47):
On the radio the other day, and it's because they
are just basic, ordinary classrooms. The other thing I'd say
is with submitting tenders, a lot of the time we
don't actually have companies that are big enough or experienced
enough for some of the jobs. The smaller jobs, yes,
but not the big ones. And I personally would not

(20:07):
like to be driver on a road that New Zealanders
have up their expertise on. I want an expert to
build it in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, but what about let's say if you go the
whole the whole contract.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
You know what if we have.

Speaker 15 (20:22):
A joint international New Zealand contract.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Partnership, and that's something I don't.

Speaker 15 (20:28):
Mean ta, I mean people that actually know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, but if you go yeah, so if you go
back to that twenty twenty two New Zealand Transport Agency,
there's two big tenders for one point four billion dollars nationwide.
It all both went overseas. It does seem crazy that
they couldn't find at least used some New Zealand companies
in the solution, you know, and rather.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Than awarding them to all of it.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
You know, so even if we and you know, you
might have to upscill maybe there's there's the big companies
whatever that they have to do the line's hare of something.
But surely you should.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Be looking to get at school.

Speaker 15 (21:02):
You're talking about people learning on the job.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, well that's the best way up school.

Speaker 15 (21:08):
And then you want to drive on that road or
walk into that building with someone that's been upskilling how
to do a three storied concrete block building.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, they get inspected, imagine and also by the council.

Speaker 15 (21:20):
We won't go down that tree.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well I think you can. I mean roads, yeah, roads
aren't rocket science. The science around roads I'm sure. I'm
sure we can upskill companies to build roads in New Zealand.
I mean there's lots of New Zealand companies that can
build roads.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah. And coming to Pritch just quickly coming from christ Chuche,
I've seen international companies cock up some of those infrastructure
projects right royally. It's not just New Zealand firms, you know,
figuring it out on the job.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
A lot of we want New Zealand firms cocking it up,
not international firms.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, as long as they get the money.

Speaker 15 (21:51):
Dyllan firms clcking it up twice the plumbers and guests
that is board have had to have another firm remove
a guest fire from houses are owned because they were
not put in safely. I've had a builder that was
penalized because not installing double glazing correctly. He gave me

(22:11):
a leaky home.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Well, you have been stung by that, and no doubt.

Speaker 15 (22:16):
No, I'm one of the few people that actually go
to the board and make a formal complaint. Have I
lived in Australia for a couple of years and they
do it well, twenty years they do it over there.
New Zealanders have a different attitude. I mentioned to someone
at workers making a complaint and their reaction was, oh,
and he won't like you.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Well and thank you very much, And you've sparked up
the text machine. I like you, Anne, Yeah, yeah, you
say it how it is. Thank you very much. Right
coming up, we're going to take more of your phone
calls and love to hear from you on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. But we're going to have a
chat to Catherine Bead she is the director of Advocacy
at Business in Z and break down this procurement, a
situation and challenges. It is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 3 (24:13):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about
proposed changes to procurement rules to make it easier for
New Zealand businesses to excuse me for government tenders. On
the phone right now is Catherine Beach he's the director
of Advocacy at Business end Z. Very good afternoon to you, Catherine.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
Good afternoon, Catherine.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
How hard is it for a New Zealand company to
win a government contract?

Speaker 11 (24:37):
Look, it can be very challenging, particularly for small to
medium sized businesses.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
And I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 11 (24:44):
How many explorers I've spoken to that I have success
internationally in selling their goods or services, but they can't
actually sell here to our government at home. So yeah,
this is a hugely important move and we're big advocates
for it.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Is that because you know, the hoops you've got to
go through to get one of these contracts is so expensive,
take so many people and so long, and only really
really giant companies have the bandwidth to do that.

Speaker 11 (25:17):
Look, that's definitely part of the challenge. It's expensive to
enter into tenders and typically if there's just one that's
going to take the price, then all the others have
put a lot of time and energy into sunk costs
really that they can't recover. So that's definitely one of
the issues. But I think also, you know, we've had

(25:41):
a bit of a least cost mentality in government procurement,
so you just buy the cheap buy on the cheapest price,
and that doesn't take into account quality.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Or local support and servicing.

Speaker 11 (25:54):
So we've advocated, you know, they should be looking at
the whole life value of what they're buying.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Clearly is a step in the right direction, as you say, Catherine,
But going from seventy one rules to forty seven rules,
forty seven rules still sounds like a very big number.
Is there still more work to do here?

Speaker 11 (26:09):
Do you think it does sound like a big number,
doesn't it?

Speaker 7 (26:13):
And I think the difficulty with the rules, to.

Speaker 11 (26:16):
Be frank is you can have a bunch of rules
that say things that we think sound good, but how
do you actually get procurement managers at the cold face
to interpret those rules and you know, do the right
thing by key businesses. So I think the approach that
they're outlining looks a lot better to me that a

(26:37):
procurement manager would be required to do the economic benefit test,
and I think that'll just put it to the front
of their mind, you know, what jobs could be created,
how much tax will this company pay, and sort of
factor that into their decision making.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Do they need any rules at all?

Speaker 11 (26:56):
Look, I think you do need some rules and some
of the rules are about just good hygien factors, you know,
so how to be fair and transparent with procurement and
and you know, I don't think any of this is
intended to shut out international participants in our.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
Supply chains, because we need them.

Speaker 11 (27:15):
As well, but it might encourage them to team up
with local businesses for that tier two or Tier three
level supplier.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Do you know how we compare to other comparable countries
in terms of those government tenders. Do we make it
a lot harder than other countries to support our own businesses?

Speaker 7 (27:34):
I think absolutely we do.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
So the team Business New Zealand had a look at
some other countries and how they approach it. We looked
to Australia, we looked at Canada and the United Kingdom,
and they all have much more proactive ways of ensuring
that their local businesses get a fair you know, a
fair go at winning some of that business.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
They're much more proactive.

Speaker 11 (27:59):
I think New Zealand's always you know.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Probably tilted to the other directions. I think this will
be a good change.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Of waiting the cost towards New Zealand companies when you
take into account, you know, the ability to bub you know,
build companies in New Zealand and you know the tax
advantages and all that kind of stuff. How much do
you think it should be weighted in the cost?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Is it ten?

Speaker 11 (28:26):
Look, I think that's a be interesting. The submissions are open,
and I hope that a lot of businesses put submissions in.
We certainly will be I think, you know, maybe ten
or twenty I think, you know, you have to be
fair to the buying agency and to the taking care
of tax payer money, that there has to be a

(28:46):
good process that they go through. But I think, you know,
giving a ten or twenty percent waiting to the local
business will just bring it to the procurement manager's attention.
It means that they kind of have to evaluate it.
So I think just it's getting getting the business the
local businesses on those people's radars. They still have to

(29:07):
compete with every on the other eighty points or ninety points,
so I think that keeps it.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
All on us.

Speaker 11 (29:13):
But I think it'll just really mean procurement managers have
to look at local and at least give them good consideration.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
As a sort of a chicken and egg thing, we
don't support local businesses so they don't have the scale
so then we don't use them.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (29:30):
Look, it's fifty one billion dollars spend. I've long argued
that how do we grow bigger companies in New Zealand
on the five million population, that's super difficult. We need
our businesses to get into bigger projects, to have the
confidence to invest in people, in plant and equipment. How

(29:51):
do you do that? You get them involved in bigger projects.
Who does bigger projects? That's central government?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Catherine, Thank you very much for your time this afternoon.
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
That is Catherine be a director of advocacy a business
in z Clearly a lot of support from business and
Z's on these proposed changes.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I mean, the thing is cheapest, the best value? Are
they the same thing as cheapest and best value the
same thing?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
No, And so you're seeing, you know, governments are procuring
the cheapest. But that's that's only a very small part
of it, especially if you know with what can looking
at the whole of the New Zealand economy and the
idea that.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
We need to grow.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
So you know, maybe the cheapest on a line, but
not the best value overall for the country.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
But on that last point, on that last question you asked,
that's it in a nutshout right. If we want the
capability and expertise and the ability to grow our firms
here and compete on the international stage, we're going to
be supporting them with some of this fifty one billion dollars.
It's our money. Yeah, we should give it to our people. Exactly. Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is seventeen to two to two.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
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Speaker 3 (31:10):
Good afternoon. We're talking about changes proposed changes to government
procurement rules making it easier for New Zealand firms to
bid for government tenders.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
This text from Harry says Matt and Tyler, it's far
better bang for your bucks supporting local businesses who will
employ local staff and reduce the doll line. This coalition
of clowns is filled with public servants, builders and all
trades by stopping home building. Thank you for your text, Harry. Hey, guys,
it won't make any difference to procurement because all the
international companies do is set up a New Zealand company,

(31:40):
they still win the tenders because they are the biggest.
And this is talking about the city rail and Go
and Google the subway system in Russia. It's always easy
to spend other people's money.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Boy, the subway system.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I've seen some shots of some parts of the subway
system Russia, and I'm pretty sure this is a standard.
But I've seen some shots with chandeliers. Oh really some
pretty boogie stuff over there. But that might just be
the ones we see. Just look at how on budget
and on rogan projects in New Zealand are Christich Stadium
to Needn Dental School? Why carry prison? All spring to

(32:13):
mind Australian builders who have hit our pockets hard by
playing hardball on the game.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah that's thank you for your text there, very good text.
Keep those coming through on nine two, nine to two, Cam,
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (32:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (32:27):
Good?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Now you want to have a chat about the health
and safety aspects of government tendering.

Speaker 14 (32:34):
Yeah, well, like I've worked in the petro chemical industry
for twenty years now and you know, have have worked
pretty closely with help and safety. Like I think petric
Chemical's probably been ahead of the game in terms of
you know, working within the Act and all the regulations
and stuff that come along with it. Now, whether you
agree with how it works or not, it's kind of

(32:56):
a relevant. The actors the Act and a lot of
the governments and those bigger corporations that would normally hire
people have obligations under the under the Act, you know,
to protect workers and all the rest of it. And
so you know, those small to medium businesses if they
don't have an understanding of the Act and how to

(33:18):
comply with the regulations, which is really hard, Like we
have whole departments dedicated to it at the place that
I work moment, you just you're not going to be
able to fulfill your obligations and so you can't actually
you know, meet the requirements that the government might have
under those Act regulations.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Right, so you just sort of the reporting and the
running of the whole thing the governmental admin around the
project once you get it.

Speaker 14 (33:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's not even that like when you when
you put your tender on, like I would imagine, like
I know that you know, for the petrochemical companies, there's
a there's a section and the tender which sort of
describes how you're going to operate in a safe manner
while you're working at at at the petrochemical plant. The
government's are the same, and you know, are only doing

(34:09):
that because they're liable if something goes wrong for a
lot of stuff, like if you can't prove the person
that you hired was going to do the job safely,
you're liable if they may have an accident, neither hurt
themselves or someone else or anything like that. So you know,
they have to protect themselves. But it's not something you
can just go, oh, well, we shouldn't do that. You know,
it's a requirement. They have to do it to protect

(34:30):
themselves financially and also, you know, so they don't hurt someone.
Which makes it really really hard for a small business
person who's just getting into it because I never had
much to do with the Act, but like, there's a
lot of stuff in there. It's very long, very cumbersome,
and to understand it is you know, years of doing
various courses and learning and all the rest of it.

(34:52):
So those small business guys just can't compete with the
bigger companies that already have all of that stuff in place,
because once you've got it too. It's not too bad
to sort of put it all together for a job
or whatever. But if you don't know anything about it,
you've sent thousands of dollars just trying to figure out
what has an ID form looks like or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

(35:14):
it makes it makes for the small guy to compete there.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Well, one of the one of the governments, one of
the rules they're posing proposing to dispense with and the
tenuing process is that you have to include questions in
the tender documentation about the skills development and training practices
of the supplier and their subcontractors. Is that is that
kind of what you're talking about? So you then you
then have to vouch for everyone that you are going

(35:37):
to hire to work with you on the on the project.

Speaker 14 (35:42):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't realize that was one of the
rules are dispensing was Like, again, whether you agree with
it or not, I think that opens them up to
a febital liability under the Act. Like there's there's a
part where you know, the person who has secured the
contract is responsible for making sure that the people who
are doing it know how to do it safely. How

(36:03):
do you do that without proving their qualifications.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, and I go to work, Yeah, and I get
your point. Cam. You know, those big guys have the
in house health and safety division, and some of those
people are on two hundred thousand plus a year. A
small guys just can't employ someone like that, you know,
if you've got if you're running a team of say fifteen,
that's just too small to be able to spend that
sort of Yeah, but no, it's a fair point.

Speaker 14 (36:30):
It's even worse than that as well, because if you
understand the act and how long it takes to get
things done, Like yo, you put a tender in and
you say, oh, this job will take twenty hours, but
you haven't allowed for the ten hours of stand down
like waiting for permits, or waiting for someone to sign
off a excavation permit, or waiting for someone to sign
off hasard reallocation form. You know, like there's all these

(36:53):
little minus that you just wouldn't understand. So then you
put your tender into your twenty hours, you get paid
for twenty hours, but you were there for forty so
then they lose money Anyway's yeah, it's a bit of
a minefield, and I think that has a huge impact
on how smaller guys could.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Actually get in for that sort of I think if
you call cam, yeah, great call, and it makes a
very fair point, isn't It's complex. Clearly changes need to happen,
and that's what the government are proposing. But when it
comes to the likes of proving that you your guys
are going to abide by health and safety legislation, of
course you can say that.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
But safety sift, safety, safety obsessed society. Yeah, just getting
safer and safer and safer and safer and safe and
safe from safe safe. Have it to the point where
we reach absolute zero and nothing moves at all?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Nine two nine two
is the TIXS number. It is eight two to two.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
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Speaker 3 (37:54):
ZB news talk Z be Good afternoon. Some great ticks
have come through on the proposed changes to government procurement.
Guys studying a company and getting it up and running
in New Zealand is getting more more challenging with extra
rules and regulations reporting not to mention our tank system
around provisional tanks on money you haven't even earned yet.

(38:17):
And then there's the health and safety as can mentioned,
that's an ever evolving beast. And to top it all off,
the banks might not lend you the money depending on
your sector like mining or farming. Everything fee feels like
a minefield these days. Any changes to government procurement and
accessing some of that fifty one billion dollar infrastructure spend

(38:38):
is a good thing, good text, guys. Government needs to
remove the requirement of having the just miss it there,
having the battery electric and hybrid electric vehicles will good news,
dear text, because they are getting rid of that and
that doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense.

(38:59):
I don't think it ever did.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Right, Well, that's what they're proposing. So they're proposing get
rid of building you and non residual government buildings at
a five star rating, which is battery electric or hybrid
electric vehicles. That's a crazy one purchase off of supplies
that produce low amounts of waste and pay the living
wage and contracts for cleaning, catering and security GID services.
So they're looking at removing those five rules at least,
but they're looking I think they're going to move. There's

(39:21):
currently seventy something. They're to drop it down to forty one.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Still seems like a lot of rules. This text is
a good one, guys. We supply New Zealand made wool
fabrics to the office fit out market. There are three
one hundred kiwis employed in the various factories processing the
wall from the farm gate. Great for the economy, awesome
for the environment. Yet we have found these benefits are
not factored into the decision making when it comes to
government tenders. These changes are a great step forward. That's

(39:45):
from Maxwell Rodgers Fabrics. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Every time you spend here, you boost New Zealand appointment,
increase local expertise, and you potentially spark export businesses. So
it seems like something we should be trying to move
the dial towards.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Absolutely, If you want to make a submission on that,
submissions close on April the eighth. Good discussion. After two o'clock,
let's have a chat about who pays for dinner on
the first date. The man is a worse Yeah, you're
pretty adamant on that. Nineteen ninety two is the text number. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Newsport and whether or it's way you're listening to Matt and.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Tyler talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
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Speaker 3 (40:31):
Good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Great to have
your company as always, right, this is going to be
a good discussion. This is on the back of the
story in the Herald and it's titled A Man's Guide
to midlife Dating from a divorced aad and expert. He
reckons who's learnt the hard way. Say, he's given a
whole bunch of advice to any man who is back
on the dating game in later life. Shall we say,

(40:53):
but one part of his advice we just want to
pick up on, and it's who should pay for dinner
when going out on a date. And his title should
the man always pay?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, the man should always pay?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Right, let me tell you what he says. You're going
to be.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Outraged, Okay, sure, I'd be quiet from it.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
When it comes to paying, I think one in three
ratio works well as and she pays once for every
three times you cover. It's an act of grace and chivalry.
Say allow me to pay. It would be my pleasure,
rather than insisting for reasons of masculinity, which might be
a red flag to her that you're not listening and
potentially bullying.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I think there's a single woman in the world that
would thought would think that that was a red flag
that you were paying. I think they'd think that's a
demonstration that you know, you're you're a provider, you've got
some where withthor you know, and you respect that person
and you want to make a good impression. Look okay
on the first date, right, that would be you would
be an insane person, definitely on the especially if you

(41:50):
organize the day. If you organize the day and you
invite a lady out for dinner and then you don't pay, then.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
You get out, that.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Would have every right to hold up the l loser
sign at the end of the date and say I
never want to see you again.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, apparently it's pretty hard to get to that stage
these days with the dating apps. You know, all the swiping,
swiping ride or swiping lift and trying to get to
the stage where you get to a restaurant for the
first date. Don't cock it up at that stage.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Especially you are tyler with your height problems. I'm sex one.

Speaker 19 (42:27):
You are not sex one six, sex and six and
maybe sex flat. And even then I'm dubious. I'm pretty
heavy with my five.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Well, what my actual height is and what it says
on my dating profile, you.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Can tweak it up a little bit. Sex five.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Not that I have a dating profile.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Okay, I've got a partner, yeah, yeah, yeah, but times
have changed. Secret one on the side, I actually agree
with you that the man should be fronting up first
to say I've got this cover, don't worry about it.
This is my treat I've asked you out here, or
this is the first date, or the second date or
the third date. But I reckon there's going to be

(43:08):
a lot of female callers coming through saying nah, that's
old school thinking. I prefer to go halves. If the
guy tries to force buying it, then that for me
is a red flag.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
They might say that, they might say that, but I
guarantee that they'd be they'd be em played if you
take them out for a very expensive meal with anything
they want, no problems at all, and then you just
go off and pay. You say, you go into the
bathroom or something, and then you pay the bill. And
then when you're leaving, they go, what about the bill?
And I've covered that, no way. Then they're going to

(43:38):
be impressed by that.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
It's pretty small.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Whatever they think about, maybe we should have gone halves
and I would like to whatever. Whatever they say, what
do they say that that there's some kind of old
school thinking. They're still like that was a four hundred
dollars meal and I got it for free.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
All right, let's get into it. Oh eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty is a number to call. The texs
machine has lit up as well. It is ten past two.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
This is the kind of guy that can provide for me.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
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Speaker 5 (44:15):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Good afternoon, thirteen past two. Should the man always pay
when it comes to a date or the restaurant?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, you know, Tyler, good buddy, we've been doing the
show to get it for eighty five eighty five.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Shows, eighty five glorious shows. I think it's eighty five shows.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And I think we've got the smartest text that I
respect the most the whole time. It's thousands, tens of
thousands of texts we've received from the time we've been
doing this right and this one is so insightful. From Jeremy, Matt,
you are smart.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
That just Jeremy, you must be a first time listening.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
That just cuts through all the bs, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
That one? Matt, You're smart? From Jeremy, Jeremy, welcome into
the show mate. You'll get used to that. Nadia, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 20 (45:00):
I'm good?

Speaker 21 (45:01):
Thank you? How are you going good?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
And what's your view on who should pay on the
first or second or third date?

Speaker 21 (45:07):
Wo Well, I think as a single woman, I think
single since October and I probably averaged about a day
to week. I finsly dated pretty much half of telling.
But I think there's a couple of questions to ask
here what you mentioned before, who's invited, who's for dinner?

(45:30):
And is just the first date? Because I think if
it's the first date and you're going out to dinner
and you're first kind of decided and you haven't met
each other, then I think it's very enough to kind
of go fifty fifty because you don't really know how
much value you're going to get from the state. But
if the guy's kind of outrightly asked the woman, oh,

(45:52):
let's meet for the first time, let's go to dinner
at I don't know deaddy, and he invited to you
and you go to dinner, I think it is his
responsibility to pay because he's giving you that invitation, Where
if it was the other way around, if I invited
a man out for dinner, I would kind of expect

(46:13):
to pay myself, or at least just for myself.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Well, naddie, I've got a question for you there though,
So you might expect it, but you've got to say
surely that you'll be impressed even though you invited him
out on the date if he goes, I've got this one.
But you know, as a show of goodwill.

Speaker 21 (46:31):
Absolutely, if I invited him out on a day and
he goes, no, no, no, I've got this, then I
you know, I'd be like, yep, that's that's certainly the
kind of man I want to hang out with. But
I think also like let's say let's say he invites
you out for dinner. It's the first day, and the
woman doesn't bring much to the date. It like what

(46:54):
if she's not interacting or she's not storytelling or anything
like that, it's very dull, you know. As a man,
I would think, well, what have I got from this?
She's fairly fluted with me. She really looked at me,
made I contact with me, and we've just had like
a one hundred dollars meal between the two of us,

(47:15):
and it's like, well, you know, why should I pay
for this? I you know, I would hope to think that,
like a man would be like, oh, let's go half
on this.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (47:27):
Usually usually like if a woman asks a man out
on a date for dinner, like especially on the APPS
sees days, because I don't think the kind of feedback
I get from other men is that women aren't the
one to initiate. So if a woman initiates, they get
really excited by the whole thing. And I think that
in hand would be like, yeah, yeah, let me pay,

(47:49):
because I hardly get to go out on dates with women.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
If you do go out on a date, naddie, Like say,
from a male perspective, and you really like the person,
so not the example you're giving where they haven't talked much,
they haven't offered much, but you actually like the person,
you want another date. I think it would be suicide
not to pay for it at that point. I think,
I think that's that if you really like the person,

(48:13):
then as a man, that is a really good way
to you know, I guess get some texts in your
in your box going forward. You know, it's a way
to say, look, I'm serious about you. But also also
if you really on the flip side, if you really
like someone on a date and then and then you
went at the end, will go halves, I think that's risky.

Speaker 21 (48:38):
Yeah, you're absolutely correct. As a man. If I was
a man and I really like women, and you know
I wanted to impress her, I would definitely pay for it.
And then like as a woman receiving that, it's kind
of like this kind of oh, he's paid for me,
he really likes me. But then like sometimes as a woman,

(48:59):
I think as a younger woman dating you kind of think, oh,
he's paid for it, So there might be this like
weird expectation day, key the second day, or where he's
like guaranteed some sort of intimacy. But I quite like, yeah,
I quite like the author's ratio the one to three things.
And this is something I do quite often in my
dating life. Like let's say we go out to dinner

(49:22):
and the man pays for it, and then we're enjoying
ourselves and we think, oh, let's go somewhere else for
a drink, and then I'll be like, okay, drinks for
on me, or let's go somewhere else for a dessert
and to dirt on me. And I think like women,
women can actually offer a lot outside of the dinner
dating scene and other kind of dating things. Like let's

(49:46):
say the man pays dinner and you want a second date,
So the woman could invite the men over for dinner
and be like, I'm going to put to you dinner
or movies together.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yourself at that point and inviting them around for dinner,
that's that's an escalation. Well, that's definitely from from the
woman's perspective. If you invite the men around for dinner,
then you're really saying you like them, right.

Speaker 21 (50:10):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, so, Yeah, I think you guys are
right if if the man really likes a girl and
he wants a chance in there, then he's going to pay.
But you know, if it's a fruf date, yeah, I
don't think it's fair. But I have been on a
second date for dinner and he was like, oh, yeah,

(50:31):
let's go out for dinner. On the second date, I
was like, great. We had a second dinner.

Speaker 22 (50:35):
It was quite a.

Speaker 21 (50:36):
Noisy restaurant and it was really hard to communicate, and
we got to the tell and he goes, should we
go half? And I was like, okay, So from that
point onwards, he's going to the friends group.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (50:54):
He's I think he's also happy to be in the
spring group as well. So perhaps it was something I
did on that dinner date that he was like, Oh,
I don't like Nadi anymore, but let's just go half.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, thank you so much for call Nadia, and good
luck with that you've been to You've been on the
dating Circle since October, so that's as long as me
and Tyler have been together on the show.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, so lifetime and I still pay Nadia, I think
so much.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Thanks for your call.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
She was great. I mean when she was talking about
the torpedio, a torpedo and the date. From a man's
point of view, I can get that that. If you
take a date to I don't know, what's a nice
restaurant in Auckland on slow and you pay a lot
of money and you've got a dud date, at that
point you would say, hey, this is go halves because
this ain't going to happen again.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, I mean, I'd probably still pay, But that's not
really the point I'm making. The point I'm making is
if you want to make a good impression as a
man on a date, you better pay for the dinner.
Otherwise you were rolling the dice of life. Newton says,
you can't win as a man, or you can, or
you're can increase your chances.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
By ten eighties. The number to call it is twenty
one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Mad heat Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight on news
talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Good Afternoon, having a great discussion about should the man
always pay when it comes to dating, particularly later in life.
There's some great texts coming.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Through the sextasys man should always pay? With all the
weird changes going on, in the last twenty years, it's
still nice to keep some traditional values alive.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yes, and a lot of love Fernadia, our first caller.
Love her perspective and attitude. Guys wants her number. I'd
love to go on a date with Nadia. Where there
you go.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I have two daughters that I've raised to never trust
a man in a white suit and never trust a
man that doesn't pay for dinner. What about another thing
is never trust a man in the suit. And the weekend?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Oh really? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
What indicating people wearing suits on the weekend of people
trying to sell your stuff?

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yeah, I agree with the white suit. I mean that's
a it's a bold choice to go a white suit.
That's very Miami vice.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I often wear a white suit.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yeah, but yeah, that's true. Actually proves it proves the point.

Speaker 23 (53:11):
Yeah, guys, Look, if you're a man, you've asked a
woman out on a date, you're paying, right, No, if
you have asked her out your pain. If she's asked
you out, yeah, you and she implies that she's paying,
you always pay for yourself. Even if she implies that

(53:32):
you still pay for yourself.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, I think you'll up your chances of impressing her though,
being even if she's invited you out the date, if
you and you know, even if it's been talked about,
you know, going halves or whatever, if you just sneak
off at one point and go and pay the bill,
then I think, I think that's a that's a classy
move that will definitely help your chances.

Speaker 23 (53:53):
Well, I've been happily married for the last three years,
been with my wife, you know, for five years, a
couple of years before we got married. We now we
go out to dinner most fridays. We earn about the
same amount of money, and we keep our money separate,
so separate from our relationship, how the bills and everything.
And when we go up for dinner, I pay for

(54:15):
myself and she pays for herself.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Okay, that's that's that's interesting. Did you notice the moment
it swapped over, like did you pay on the first day?
And then it slowly creaked her half?

Speaker 23 (54:25):
I think I paid for the first three and then
after that, you know, we just split it. I don't
think she's ever paid for me. Yeah, but that's cool.
I'm happy with that. But it's also a good thing
because when we do go in out out and eat.
I can be a bit stingy and I'll get the
cheapest thing off the me and you, and she's always
she's always the eye fillip. So you know that's about

(54:46):
fifty bucks.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, good strategy.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
So Ben, like, so you've been married for three years?
Did you say, yeah?

Speaker 8 (54:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Are you gonna this? This could be an interesting thing
going forward. Normally, at some point in a marriage, the
accounts get linked and you have a shared sort of
financial situation. If you're playing with if you're paying with
one car, then I guess that you know, then she
could go up and pay. But yeah, I mean, would

(55:14):
you would you link the Are you ever looking to
link your finances? I guess what I'm saying.

Speaker 23 (55:19):
Our bills are mortgage, everything I'm linked. But we have
our wages going into separate bank accounts, and we transfer
over what we need to cover the bills, and then
whatever we've got left in our bank our own bank
accounts is ours to do what we want. Ye the
same pretty well with our arguments and everything.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeap, No, No, I'm with you, Ben, Me and my
partner do the same. We've been together for some time.
Just it just works well. When I say it works
all right there. You know, there are some instances where
my partner would say, hey, we need to be combining
all of our money together because effectively, your spending money

(55:58):
is a lot more than my spending money, which is fair.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Well, because you're more than her, Well.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
There's more that goes into my bank account.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Well, that's that's what earning more than her is. I think, Tyler,
you're cheating on your partner and you don't want to
see where you're spending the money.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
It's an open book. Do you want to see by accounts?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Thank you so much for your call, Ben, and congratulations
on your happy three year marriage. And I hope it continues.
Cheers been sure, Well that was weird say that that
came off weird. I hope it continues, like there was
some suggesting it might not.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Think it will all the best, Ben, Yeah, we've got
our fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
She sounds like a classy woman that always orders the steak.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Absolutely. I'll say the difference between me and Ben though,
with the accounts that are not together, that I always
pay for dinner, always pay for dinner.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Wow, Yeah, this nexus his first date should always be
fifty to fifty split wat shout dinner to a dud,
terrible idea.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah, what if it's not a dud?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, you'd hope that one of your dates that you
go on turns out not to be a dud? Or
is you going to spend your life lonely?

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yeah? Oh a hundred. I just like the way that
they said terrible return on investments. I mean it is.
It's like spending a bit of money on the stock market.
You know, some things work out, sometimes they don't.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I didn't read that but out because I couldn't work
out what ROI means. But now I feel stupid.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, very good. I keep those things coming through on
nine two nine two, and love to hear from you.
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're
currently dating, what is the situation now? Is it a
little bit harder than it used to be that it's
not just the man that always pays for the dinner?
Have you ever got into a bit of an argument
with your date about who pays?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Even really a man if you don't pay for the dinner?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, you can't answer that one too. I wait one
hundred and eighty two, and I know.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
We've got full lines, but keep trying because we'll try
and get to everyone. And the text number is a
nine two nine two. But also the secondary questioning I'm
the throwing the max even though everything's so busy, as
should you combine your bank accounts?

Speaker 6 (57:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Great question?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
And when you're when you're in a relationship, and why
doesn't Tyler want to what is he trying to hire
from his partner?

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Speaker 3 (59:21):
Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we've asked the
question should a man always pay when it comes to dating.
Matt says absolutely yes.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well yeah, no, I say that that if you pay,
then it and it's a it's risky if you like
the person not to pay, because they could you know,
they could think that you're not a great guy. Or
it's just it's just it's a norm that you're breaking.
I think if you like someone and you want to
show that you want to move things forward, the best

(59:48):
way as a dude is to pay for the date.
But I also believe that men should pay all the time. Yeah,
but also just specific in that situation. But I actually
have a lot of sympathy for this text here on
nine two known two. I'm female, and I always prefer
fifty to fifty, less pressure, no expectations. See that's a
good point because also as a man paying, you can't
think that the paying for that dinner means that you're

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owed anything for it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
No, that's not chivalry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
No paying for something and thinking you're going to get
something back, that's not It's just it's just a gesture
of goodwill and a show that you that you think
that this person is worth paying for. Yeah, certainly can't
ask for anything in return. No, it's a negotiation technique
going forward. It's just saying I, you know I've got
the money to pay this dinner, and and you know

(01:00:35):
I'm the kind of person that might be able to
provide for you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I agree. But if I had any pushback, because I'd
always say this is my treat, love this date, I'm
going to pay for this, and we should do it
again sometime hopefully. But if they pushed back and said no, no,
we're going fifty to fifty, I think I'd fold pretty
quick and say, okay, we'll go fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, I'm not surprised Jennifer, your thoughts on this, I.

Speaker 17 (01:00:59):
Must share you. When I first start in, I thought
you were being facetious. No, I cannot just shif we
are having this conversation in twenty twenty five, So you
honestly believe that you're going to be the provider by
paying for a dinner.

Speaker 13 (01:01:16):
I actually can't believe what I'm listening to.

Speaker 17 (01:01:19):
We are two people enjoying a meal together.

Speaker 23 (01:01:24):
It should be.

Speaker 17 (01:01:25):
Based on nothing more than that who has the means
to pay, who invited? Who genders should just not even
enter the equation. And the fact that it does I
actually find quite depressing. I can't believe we're having this discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
So, Jennifer, if you went on a first date with
someone and then and they sat down, and then he goes,
can you can you get this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Can you could you? Could you? Could you get this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I don't have any I don't actually have I can't pay.
How would you feel about that? That's the extreme, in
the extreme.

Speaker 17 (01:01:57):
My first response would be, I'm really sorry to hear
that you're not able to pay. Perhaps we should have
had a discussion around which would have been an appropriate.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Restaurant that would hurt that?

Speaker 17 (01:02:09):
Do you guys, actually, I feel like you've been I
don't know, are you followers of Andrew Taate or something?
Because this is ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
That's a huge le Jennifer from saying that if you
want to increase your chances of getting a second date
when you take someone out, that you you pay for
the for the meal's I mean that's.

Speaker 17 (01:02:33):
Not I'm very I'm very happy married and are paid
for for half of my engagement drink because I've got
very expensive taste and I love this engagement ring. And
I said, partner, I don't want to put you under pressure,
but I don't want to compromise on what I really like.

(01:02:53):
Can we have a discussion around me paying for half
this engagement ring? How do you feel about that?

Speaker 24 (01:02:58):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Did he come did he come at you with the
sort of a standard engagement ring and you said, look,
I actually want to upgrade this.

Speaker 17 (01:03:07):
No, no, no, no, we have a discussion. He said,
you know, what are we doing in the relationship?

Speaker 21 (01:03:12):
How do we take it forward?

Speaker 17 (01:03:14):
Should we consider getting engaged exac Well, that sounds lovely.
Why don't we go engagement ring shopping together? Black partners
do do the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Offer to pay the whole thing when you said, let's
go I want to go halves because I want to
spectacular one. Did he go, Look, I'll like, you know,
I want to get you the right one, So let's
not go halves. I'll pay for all of it. Did
he say that?

Speaker 17 (01:03:40):
No, No he didn't, And if.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
He did, if he did, you would have said, oh,
let's go half again, get an even better one.

Speaker 17 (01:03:48):
I really, but can I give you a you know
what the thing is? In my very humble opinion, because
I feel so strongly about this, this this concept of
buying a better chance, I found it horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
No, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's not what that's that's that's a that's a cruel
way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
It's not really that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Isn't it more.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
More being nicely, Jennifer? Isn't it more kindness?

Speaker 18 (01:04:14):
You know that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
And I'll put it this way. Whether you want to
call it chivalry or not, that's that's up to you.
And I actually think there is, you know, a nice
part of chivalry. But for example, Jennifer, if I held
the door open for you, or took or took your coat,
or pulled out your seat for you, you'd be offended
by that.

Speaker 17 (01:04:33):
And I wouldn't be offended, but drunk onise, I hope
that you wouldn't be offended.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
No, certainly not no, no, speak to you to pull
my seat.

Speaker 17 (01:04:42):
Well, so why is it any difference that you're going
to increase your chances. Let's not rewrite history now, gentlemen,
I'm just recorded revisionists.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Yeah, we're just going to shut down demands.

Speaker 17 (01:04:58):
Increase your chances because you pay, or the corollary of that,
you are not going to decrease your chances if you don't.
Okay this, I mean, I am absolutely smacks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So then what do you say, Jennifer, What do you
say to Jennifer? What do you say to Nadia who
rang before and she said she agreed? And when increasing
your chances, don't really think because as I said before,
you absolutely can't expect anything at all. But it's a
way to show that you think that this date went well.
It's a way to demonstrate that you think that this
went really really well, and you you want to see

(01:05:33):
them again. So if you're going on a date, if
you're going on a date, you do want to increase
your chances. If you like someone, of course you want
to increase your chances. Of having another date.

Speaker 17 (01:05:41):
With on how to increase your chances without taking our
credit card, because I'm gonna say that is just so,
it's so brutish. It is just so brutish. All right,
give you a how about asking questions, listening to the answers.
How somebody feels about having a meal sponsored? What is

(01:06:04):
their view on that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yeah, it's fair enough.

Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
We just lost.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Then I'm loving to share with Jennifer, and she's she keeps.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Yeah, if we're cutting out, Jennifer, you're still there.

Speaker 17 (01:06:20):
Yeah, how about I've had a wonderful evening, scintillating conversation.
I would love to have another date with you, as
opposed to somebody trying to read into or I've played
the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:06:33):
So I quite like you.

Speaker 17 (01:06:35):
Oh my word, grug, let's just bring out the accent
and be done with it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Yeah, but I'm not a great conversationalist, Jennifer, and I.

Speaker 17 (01:06:43):
Don't really to be dating anyway, So I suppose it's
a mood.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
He hates listening as well, So you know, that's a
lot of that's a lot of work from that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
No, No, I do see I do see your point, Jennifer.
That is, I do see your point Jennifer that it
is a you know, it does sound kind of I guess,
uh dodgy to say that you pay for the dinner
to increase your chances. Uh, and and so like, Oh,
I do want to walk that back a little bit
and just hide behind you doing it because you want

(01:07:13):
to just demonstrate how much you like them and how
much you want another day, which is probably just a
wayser words to say the same thing.

Speaker 17 (01:07:19):
But I'll tell you, I would really hope that if
anybody listening to this conversation takes anything out of it,
it's to actually converse, as opposed to showing. Oh I've
had people show me their car keys in an attempt
to a bit of one upmanship. Let's I've had people

(01:07:44):
show me the color of their credit card. I've had
people in a boardroom assume that I was there to
pull the te when I was, in fact the chairperson.
I've been there and done that. I must tell you,
the best thing you can do is have an open,
honest conversation where people respect people. What if it's to

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women having a date or two men having a.

Speaker 16 (01:08:10):
Date, Yep, yeah, would have a conversation.

Speaker 17 (01:08:15):
How do you feel is this type of restaurant. Are
you comfortable with it?

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
Is it?

Speaker 17 (01:08:21):
Is it in your range? I don't know much about you,
so forgive me, but i'm a McDonald's person, or I'm
a dog a station person or whatever. You have those conversations, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Thank you so much, Jennifer. I think you make some
good points there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Yeah, I wouldjoin that conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I just will say that if you're with Jennifer and
you go halves on the thing, then it all works out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Yeah, you might get a second date.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
But not everyone's Jennifer. Well, I'm just saying. I still
say it's risky.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
And of course if you go to a date, Yeah,
talking is a good idea. Don't just turn up and
chuck money on their face and say I've got this.
Yeah you want to you want to actually talk and
have conversations.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Turn up, you put your car keys so they can
see what kind of car are you driving, and then
you say, get it whatever you want unloaded, I'll pay
for it, and then it's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
All right anyway, all right, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Jennifer kicked off the text machine, which is great. Nine.
So if you want to send a text message, it
is eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Sa'd be good afternoon. It is a quarter to three,
and having a great discussion about should the man always pay? Jennifer,
who called before, has certainly kicked off the text coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Hey guys, not all women are like Jennifer. Wind me,
dine me, and pay for me please. That's from a lady. See,
that's well, that's all I'm saying. I'm saying that. Sure,
maybe you've got a Jennifer that thinks that my scintillating
conversation is enough.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
She clearly did on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
That phone call.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah, you turned her around in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
But you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna buy that meal,
and I'm just as a gesture of goodwill and a
suggestion that I'm keen on a second day, no other
you know, there's no obligation attached to that. Yeah, you know,
there's no obligation for the second date. There's no obligation
for anything at all. But it is just a way

(01:10:19):
to say, you know, a gesture of I am key.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah. Well, this is why it's such a mine field,
because you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Here's one for you though. So you mentioned the very
smooth act of saying I've just got to shoot to
the loo. Then you go straight up to the to
the bar and pay for the meal before she even knows.
Then you go back and she says, oh, should we
split it? And don't worry. We go, I've paid for it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Here you go, I've just got to take it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Yeah, I've got terrible guards, very romantic. There's no conversations
talked about it. I've just got to go. I've really
got to go. And then you off and pay the bill.

Speaker 6 (01:10:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
But you come back and you say, don't worry, I've
sort of it all out. But then she says, how
dare you? What's your account number? I want to pay
your half? What do you say?

Speaker 23 (01:11:01):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
I say, no, I don't have a bank account. I
paid with it with crypto.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yeah, I'd rather die than let you pay half of this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty CE number to call Pete?
How are you your thoughts that entirely you treat it.

Speaker 25 (01:11:16):
Like a business deal. You know, you look into the
business day. What you do is you got up a coffee,
you meet the business to think that trays a bit different,
but it's like first to watch. If you meet the
McDonald's or KF inspect, you expect to pay for that.
But if there's all depends on the situation. How you
meet your middle lady on Tinder or whatever. I expect
if you go to a restaurant it's a nice place

(01:11:37):
and that you know, you try to match up. You're
looking for a relationship. Hope it's going to be a
long term situation. Is to what you do is I
think it's only a gentleman agreement and a ladies gentlemen
as to go halves. You know, but you'll soon suss it.
He gave by the vis you know it does. So
what you do is you susser around and you think, well,
you go make the business deal. I think I really
like this lady. I might invest a bit more in

(01:11:59):
this in this business. It's like a business. But what
you do, maybe you pay, but you think you're not
going the right way. I think you can't. You kind
of right off there they muck around a few still
go and just call it and go your way, and
otherwise you're going to be the suck to the next
victim of here. It's going to do the next factor
going to pay for a free meal?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I go, it'll be interesting to treat it fully like
a business steal. You go, well, you know what this was? Okay,
so I'm going to pay seventy five percent?

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Yeah, yeah, my original quote. I'm just going to take
that down a little bit more because it wasn't quite
what I expected. Pete, what's that? Thank you? Very He
treat it like a business steel Yeah, controversial.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yeah, you make investments for the future.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
George, how are you?

Speaker 26 (01:12:43):
I'm not too bad Fellas. Hey, gee, you're opening yourself
up there against against Jennifer. I think she had you
well and truly covered.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
She was PI Jennifer.

Speaker 26 (01:12:53):
Jennifer for crying out loud discussing your engagement and going
engagement shopping together?

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
Where's that?

Speaker 26 (01:12:59):
Where's the romance? And that Jennifer, your man proposed to you,
even if even if it is with a two dollars
shop ring that will soon be exchanged for one new
prefer and that you get yourself swept off your feet,
and that I think I think she rules the roost
on the home front, does Jennifer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Yeah, so if her partner had gone off and look
had a great conversation with Jennifers. This is all hypothetical,
But if her partner had gone off and just got
the engagement ring that he wanted to seeing as she
wanted to go half to get twice as good as
one would she have turned a nose up at the
engagement ring that he brought back. Yeah, that's the question.
And then you ask, you ask what is an engagement ring?

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Is it a financial outlay or is it just a
symbol of love that can be any any amount of money.

Speaker 26 (01:13:42):
Yeah, I think you've got to sweep people off your
feet with an engagement But be that as it may.
Maybe maybe you're off one hundred percent, And if you
get a response that would be one like Jennifer's, that
it may or may not impact your decision on pursuing
a second date. But just on the account structure, I'm
like you, man, I'm questionable of Tyler's intensions keeping it Sep.

Speaker 13 (01:14:05):
We've got the dream set up.

Speaker 26 (01:14:06):
It all goes into one get siphoned off, mortgage gets paid,
but you have a fun money account. So Chris Key
talks about this on his radio show. There's probably the
only thing I believe that comes out of Chris Keys now.

Speaker 21 (01:14:18):
But it's fun money, and.

Speaker 26 (01:14:21):
It's two hundred each. You can spend it as you will.
You know, I can live off two minute noodles from
Monday through Friday and blow it in the weekend. Yeah,
I can save it up for my wife, can save
it up for a parent jeans she likes the next week.
But there's no judgment about where that where that fun
money goes. It's yours to do with what you please.
And you don't have to get the back match at

(01:14:41):
home when you when you come home with a new
with a new phone or a new driver.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah, yeah, you see.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
So George agrees with me that your partner maybe should
be concerned that you're keeping a separate bank account because
it seems to me and George that you might be
cheating on her. And you don't want to see different
dinners being brought.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
But George and Matt, so you guys seem to think
that I'm getting the better deal here when I can
tell you that spending money, I pay for all the
spending money for both me and May. So I'm the
run one getting the raw deal here. If we go
out to they say we went to the polo the ponies.
Who's the one paying for all the drinks there? Me?

Speaker 20 (01:15:18):
Me?

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
So she's getting the better deal with here, mate, Sorry, Georgie.

Speaker 17 (01:15:22):
You go.

Speaker 26 (01:15:22):
Tyler, you you you were, you were flexing your muscles
in about how more goes into your bank account than
it does your wife.

Speaker 22 (01:15:28):
So don't try and.

Speaker 26 (01:15:32):
Better better deal my friend. You know you share the
love Tyler big enough to put all your money into
one account?

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah, well, can I just can't off a bit of
fun money? So you've had a rowback, Matt, Can I
just have a rowback as well? As I shouldn't have
said that that. We know how to take that back.
We'll just scratch that from the record recorded. I've already
sent it to your partner.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
All right, Hey, thank you so much, George.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred AC ten and eighty is the
number to call this great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Text coming through this Texas says it's attractive when men
take the lead and pay on the first date. Traditional
messk and man code. If he asks her he should pay, Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
That kind of sums it up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Uh loly Junifer text.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
We just got to censor a few of them, so
we'll do that over the break and wead some more
Jennifer texts. Very shortly, it is eight to three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way, Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo
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Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
He'd be new whose talks? He'd be five to three.
Some great tickes have come through on nine two ninety two, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Land's Great Show made of Mine? When on a second
date and took a ring with him to put on
her finger, she went to the bathroom and never returned.
Cheers Cam. Oh, oh that's a heartbreaker.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
That is a heartbreaker. Second date, So you're sitting at
the table. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, he's really
he proposes on the second date.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's true. I mean there's there's
an error there. I mean he needed to put in
some more work.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
I wonder if he paid for the dinner on the
first date. Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
I wonder for the dinner on the one s where
she gapped up before she got the ring. But Yeah,
that's a sad story. I just mentioned I'm sitting there
at the table waiting for her to come back from
the bathroom with his ring.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Oh yeah, I didn't need to visualize that. That is
a very sad story. It's been a great first day. Yeah, guys, Yes,
why can't you use your charm? You pay for dinner
and if she wants to split it, just indicate that
she can pay the next state. But you sneak off
and pay for that one too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, so that's a winning strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I'm a thirty eight year old female. Bring back chivalry.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
The female human is designed to seek out a secure
partner for security and protection.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
It's human nature.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
The whole woman can do anything and be equal and
everything is the biggest disaster of our generation. Only woman
whoever womb and can create life.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Fact.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
So yes, a man should do everything he can to
prove he can provide safety and security to the woman
for the rest of her life. That is what dating
is about for a woman. Keep it simple. A woman
like me is a magical, powerful creature that all men
should treat us like that and work hard to prove
they are worthy of us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Good text.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
That sounded like a from a from my Lord of
the Rings or something.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Very well written. Yeah, I think that's a good place
to leave that discussion. Actually, there's one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
I only buy my my dates Chinese meals because they're cheap.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
That kind of ruins, that doesn't it. Yeah, but that's
going to be a red flag as well. Yeah, I'm
not knocking Chinese food, good food, but on a first date,
I don't know. Well this what's a fancy Chinese restaurants Tyler? Yeah,
eighties and able to call. Hey, coming up after three o'clock.
We want to have a chat about how long is
too long to leave meat out of the refrigerator? This

(01:18:41):
is a crucial topic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Yeah, hap to Matt, I've got I've got a whole
box of meat. I wonder if I can eat it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
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Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
New home for insightful and entertaining talk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
It's Mattia and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X
eighty on News Talk SEV.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Good afternoon, it is seven past three, so this is
quite a serious topic. We're about to go in to. Now,
how long should you can you leave meat out of
the refrigerator before consuming. This is something that you were
facing right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Man, that's right. I think the best buy is just
a vague suggestion that you maybe like glance over. But
I think you trust your nose. That's that's my opinion.
Don't know if you look it up anywhere or you
talk to any experits, they're scared, so they go for
the safety approach.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
And you know, every time anyone I've tried to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
About this again, what happened was this great New Zealand
as a Holy Cow butchery and Cambridge you might know
it that they're an artisan butchery and they they're the
whole system kind of butchery. They care and inspect for
the land, the animals and the community. They're fantastic butchery

(01:19:55):
and it's the whole whole system kind of thing. You know,
a local circular, closed loop regenitaive system would describe the math. Yeah,
Holy Cow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Good place and they sound like good people. So what
did they send you the meat? Is that because you've
been you've been a friend of the farmer's lately.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Well, I am a friend of a farmer's. I am
a friend of the farmer's. Yeah, I talk them up
and I'm a friend of the of the Holy Cow Butchery.
But that's the point they said that I'm not friendly
with the couriers that they were used to send the
meat up because they send it in a same day courier, right.
And so it was in a in a box and
it was a calling calling box. It looked like it
was going to have the head from the end of

(01:20:29):
seven with Brad Pitt.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Going what's in the books? But it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
It was some beautiful sausages, there was some steak.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
There was some lamb in their lamb grenade.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Yeah, And I was I was like, well, this is
terrible because you know, as we say, the circular nature,
you know, every part of the system has been involved
and making this this meat. You know, the farmer has
put the work in, the butcher's put the work in,
the the animals have put the work in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
They cently have the animals absolutely put the work.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
The only person that's not put the work in properly
is the courier that's was supposed to deliver it on
one day carrier on Friday, and I didn't get it
till Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Right, Yeah, very stressed about it when it came in
here and you're like, oh, no, how long has this
been sitting around for? Then you tried to ring the
courier to find out when they dropped it off. You
tried to contact the butchery to say, hey, when did
you guys send this stress.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
I did contact the bookshore. I know when they sent it,
and they did absolutely nothing wrong obviously because they were
giving it to me, So good on them. But I'm
going to eat that meat. I'm going to eat that meat,
even the sausage, out of respect, out of respect for
the whole process. I'm going to eat it. And I
just want to know what's going to happen to me. I mean,
it's high quality stuff, and it was in the box
so it would have been frozen for a while. So

(01:21:42):
what I did and look nine two nine two, one
hundred eighty three eight sorry a one hundred eighty ten
eighty it's the number ten?

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
The number?

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Do I need to write it down for you?

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
What's going to happen to me when I eat this?
So I've got it. It's been fresh, beautiful, fantastic, just
the absolute nature's best from our beautiful countryautiful Cambridge. It's
come here, but it's been in a box for probably three.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Days, right to meat out in it. But immediately when
I got home, I frozen. Is that a wise thing
to do? I don't know. That might be kind of
inturitive to what you're trying to do there, but love
to hear from you. O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Should Matt eat this meat? And if he does, is
he going to get a little bit sick? Yeah? And
do we need a little bit of food poisoning, you know,

(01:22:34):
just to make us hard in this country? I one
hundred eighty ten eighty. But genuinely I think we are
too silly when it comes to food safety, no doubt
about it. You got it it. Don't be an idiot
about it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Be an idiot about it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
But if it's if it's meat that's been sitting out
for two, three, four days and it passes the sniff test,
cook it up, have a nibble, let it sit for
half an hour. If you're right, I at least give
it to the dog. Yeah, least. I had one hundred
eighty ten eighties. And I'm going to call eleven past
three good afternoon. It is thirteen past three now, Just
to remind it. In about fifteen minutes. We do have

(01:23:06):
Gareth Abden or in studio employment law expert, taking all
your questions and calls on anything to do with what's
going on in your workplace and if you're an employee,
anything that's going on with your employee. So that is
coming up, and it pays to get in early. We've
already had a bunch of text questions for them. But
nine two ninety two in O eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. If you want to get in early.

Speaker 27 (01:23:26):
I'm going to bring up how you touch my arm
before he'll say it's okay, that's fine, right, But back
to the topic we're discussing now, do we get a
bit silly when it comes to food safety?

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Matt, You're in a bit of a predicament at the
moment that you've got meat that's been out of the
fridge for at least two maybe three maybe four days.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Yeah nah, yeah, so I think it's in on Friday,
but I didn't get it till Monday morning. Red meat
is fine. I've had venison in an outdoor meat safe
for three days now, no problem at all. Your nose
will let you know. See that's what I look That's
that's what I think as well. Guys, I've worked in
food retail and the guidelines for the retailer. Most goods
are good beyond the date on the product.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, I mean some of those things are just so
you throw it out and buy more. Yeah, you know
I could keep it going through the system, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Wouldn't got to pass some Is that right or is
that yeah, that's a theory and your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:24:16):
Look, I worked for years ago. I had a job,
second job as in a restaurant and the owner was
Dutch and he said, leave you meet. He said in
New Zealand disease, it far too soon. It's really tough.
He used to leave his hanging. Admittedly it wasn't the fridge,
but it was not a super cold fridge. You'd walk
in and out all the time, and he'd leave it

(01:24:37):
hanging for a couple of weeks at least. It would
go from that red color to that dark color.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 15 (01:24:44):
The most beautiful, softest steaks. I always leave my steak. Now.
The other thing is, if you're that worried, do the
sniff test. If it's slimy, throw it out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Oh, what do you mean slimy smelling? Well, now, if
it feels sl so you do the snuff test and
the slime test.

Speaker 15 (01:25:04):
Yeah, and neither of those are off.

Speaker 10 (01:25:07):
I'd eat it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Sometimes I even push through the old slime tearstand, you know,
like a good leg of ham. If it gets a
little bit slimy, I'll still push through. That's good for
another couple of days at least.

Speaker 15 (01:25:17):
Yes, I know, I know it's all about turnover.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Thank you so much for your call.
And it is an interesting one day because if you
went back in time and told people how sensitive we
are about meat now, you know, you know the people
on the boats, you people, if you were really hungry.
You know, we've just got an abundance of food in
this country, so we we nickel and diamond if it's

(01:25:43):
a bit anything, it even's moving. But you know, if
you're really hungry, you'd eat any of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Right, absolutely, Yeah, even with checken, I've got to say
check and I'd be a bit more careful with but
even if it's a couple of days past the use
by date, I'll.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
Give it a crack.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Steve, your thoughts on meat.

Speaker 13 (01:26:00):
Yeah, look, I've eaten it to room temperature, that's fine.
But sitting the way it's sat.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
For four days, no chill.

Speaker 13 (01:26:10):
And you've got sausages, especially with spicing mixes and stuff
like that. I wouldn't go on that track.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
You wouldn't go down there.

Speaker 13 (01:26:15):
Yes, you know you can get No, I wouldn't eat it.
You can get the good meats and stuff like that
which you can which age and and and your fat
side down and fridges for you know, two and three months.
That's a bit different. And yes, when you open it
it smells, but there was a you can wash it
down in a mild vinegar solution. That's proper age meat.
But what he's got there in the warmth, no, you

(01:26:37):
end up gettingself quite sick.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
So so when you were in a I've always meant
to ask us actually, so it's great to talk to you, Steve.
But how long you know when you hear that you've
got a twelve day aged steak or whatever, you know
when it says that on a menu, is that is
that what they mean by age? Because I just sort
of figured that they left it on the bench. But
is that when you say it's aged?

Speaker 8 (01:26:56):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Is it hanging in a in a freezer, I mean
a fridge.

Speaker 13 (01:27:00):
So some some of it is and otherwise you can
get the vackpack stuff which we used to do, but
age it for a couple of months, skin facing but
still back and packed. So yeah, look it should be
aged in the chiller, not aged at room temperature. Yeah,
that's just my base experience on shipping for years. And
I wouldn't go down that track of eating it. I

(01:27:20):
wouldn't even give it to your dog. You might even
make your.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Dog sick, right, yeah, better as serious.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
My dog's a terrible food snob, mate. Yes, he's just
likely to eat something that's a bit older than I am.
I've seen him his nose up and a lot of
good food. Hey, thank you so much for you call, Steve.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Some great teas coming through, guys. I have done exports
seafood christ Jutes to Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne for thirty years.
If it stays in the chill chain, all goods, even
for a day or two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
All right, So I was staying in the chill, the
chill chain, sitting in a box for two days down
in the ins in me mail room.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
That's where I draw the line though read meat okay, chicken, yeah, seafood?
Oh man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, all right, okay, Karleen, how are.

Speaker 20 (01:28:09):
You very good?

Speaker 10 (01:28:11):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
You're a fan of home kill.

Speaker 21 (01:28:15):
Very much.

Speaker 18 (01:28:16):
Fans of homekill. We've been We lived on a lifestyle
property for about twenty years. Just moved to Cambridge, so
Holy Cow is a favorite. But still do the hometells
and any of the large. If i'd sort of under
overestimated what I needed in sizes for roasts, I've always

(01:28:39):
just defrosted it, cut it up into what I needed,
chucked it back in the freezer and said that to
my kids. With beef, I haven't tried it with lamb,
but I've done that for the last twenty years and
none of us have ever been sick from it. So
I sort of really trust the whole beef. I don't
know about leaving it out for days, but I think
if it was cool enough that I would trust it,

(01:29:00):
I would trust for beef and probably reasonably lamb. But
yeah what and said trust your nose.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah, the mail room that entered me across the weekends
probably reasonedly cool with air conditioning.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Bulls. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.

Speaker 18 (01:29:16):
I mean I was I always. I always think of
two back in the day, we were just talking about
this that you know, meat was hung like in a
you know, a cool room or a ladder or something
like that. Yeah, I didn't have I didn't have bridges
one hundred years ago or whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:29:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I was painting my house recently and I found this
bit that was sticking out near the kitchen and looked
into it, and that was and that you know, my
father and law told me that was like a meat locker.
He used to just hang out from the kitchen. Yeah,
sort of hanging out semi outside.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
That's cool.

Speaker 18 (01:29:47):
Yeah, true, true, true, Yeah, age beef is much nicer,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Are you doing the home killing yourself?

Speaker 18 (01:29:54):
Oh no, we get Wally Smith here. We've been using
Wally Smith. Obviously, Wally has passed a number of years ago,
but it's his it's his son that carries on that now.

Speaker 22 (01:30:08):
Along with others.

Speaker 18 (01:30:09):
But yeah, and our daughters. She's procuring the sewet and
that sort of thing for her tellow.

Speaker 21 (01:30:19):
Which is pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
What does she do with the tello?

Speaker 18 (01:30:24):
She's making it into. She makes beautiful product. Cause can
I say what it is?

Speaker 20 (01:30:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:30:32):
Sure, A little plug it's Nourish by Nina and it's
on Instagram, and she's got a little boy. He's just
turned one and had fairly bad exma and so tried
lots of variety of different things and has now come
to a really amazing mixture of products like manukah karanuka

(01:30:55):
and our Kawa kawa, few other ingredients as well, but
all nice and natural things, and that has been amazing
for the recovery side of his skin.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
I'm hearing a lot of people that are rubbing beef
tellow on them on on their faces and stuff. It's
very good skin.

Speaker 18 (01:31:15):
It is an very amazing moisturizer and and it's gone
through a lot of processes to render it. And I
think it's sort of like an old school product that
everybody probably made, well a lot of people did, but
it's coming back to be very very popular because people
realize how good it is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Brilliant. All right, thank you had one more? One more
quick plug for what it's The product's called.

Speaker 18 (01:31:40):
It's called Nourish by Nina n O r I s
H by n I n A.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Lovely, lovely and a very beautiful website of rubb that
beef tellow all over yourself. It is hard to find
good beef tellow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yes, apparently apparently cooking and beef tallow is very very
healthy as well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Be tasty as well. Yeah, yeah, oh eight eighty ten eighty.
So number to call it is twenty two past three.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
That heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
On news talk, z'd be good afternoon. How long is
too long to leave meat out of the fridge? Mets
found himself in a bit of a predicament.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah, that's right, thoroughly, Nancy says. I thoroughly rinsed slimy
meat past best before date, like chicken breasts, and cook
them no problem, Nancy, as he goes give it a
wee bath.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
I mean, I'm I'm reticent to really push the boundaries
on chicken. I've just been so much salmonella propaganda in
my life. Yeah, yeah, I'm really scared of chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Yeah, I'm with you. I don't want to roll the
dice on chicken too much.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
My kids will tell me off if I you chopped
chicken and then chop onions on the same board or anything.
They're militant. Yeah, someone's got.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
To the I'm with you, boys. If I've got a
chopped chicken. The amount of hand washing and spraying with
the old cleaner I've got to do is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Tom, You've been a farmer for forty seven years, so
you know a bit about this.

Speaker 28 (01:33:02):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I reckon my grandmother
God rest. You used to say that, Yeah, if it's
if it's been frozen and it's stored, definitely do not
refreeze it. Refreeze it. But yeah, that was good you
were saying about letting it. Yeah, that the sort of
well smell tist you can and also a bit slimy.

(01:33:25):
You probably can still cook it. But I just want
to say, yeah, the other guy was second and last call.
He said, you know, I wouldn't have vieded to the dogs.
That's absolute, that's wrong. Dogs have got a huge tolerance
well for for you know, meat that's gone off and
even you know, just won't hurt him. And certainly you'd
be wasting it to throw it away if you were

(01:33:46):
going to throw it away, and certainly give it to
my dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
You've seen a lot of the absolutely disgusting stuff dogs
will eat.

Speaker 28 (01:33:53):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, well that's right. Yeah,
you know I just say, if you did decided to
throw it away, I would certainly give it to the dogs.
You have no problem, and if you did, I'll give
you there. And I was cash, you know, like I
guarantee it that much.

Speaker 26 (01:34:11):
It wouldn't hurt him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Yeah, right, all right, thank you so much for your call. Tim,
appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Yeah, Michael, how are you?

Speaker 22 (01:34:19):
You're not too bad. So just to give a bit
of a heads up, I lived in the semi bush,
off the gridge, no electricity, no fridge, only half insulated shed.
And in the last twenty five years, I've brought up

(01:34:41):
five children up here, right, And as far as the
meat goes, in the summer, if you put it under
a cabbage leaf, your last easy three or four days,
and in the winter probably eight or nine. And that's
not from the freezer but from the either probably from
a botch or the supermarket. And the kids have never

(01:35:04):
got sick.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
So you put it under a cabage leaf in a
cupboard kind of situation.

Speaker 22 (01:35:09):
Yeah, and as low as possible, because it's the call apart.
It's only a concrete floor, so I've got no carpet
or anything. So the lowest cupboard is basically out of
the sun and on the concrete floor.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
But you do have a phone.

Speaker 22 (01:35:28):
I do, and I charge it up for my car.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Oh wow, fascinating. So if you tried the you know
how they used to do it back in the day
where electricity was hard to come by, we would you'd
effectively dig into the ground a little bit. Have you
tried that operations as a bit of a fridge.

Speaker 22 (01:35:47):
Yeah no, not really, Like I did try and put
it in because I've got a river on the on
the property, and I did put it in a bag
in the river, but it actually didn't last so long.
It was beast under the cabin blief on the concrete
floor in a cupboard, out of the sun.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Wow. Well, thank you so much for you call Michael
living off the grid.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Yeah, old school, old school cabbage in the cupboard, sweet ass.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
I think that's sorted out. Well, I know there was
no cabbage leaves in the in the parcel. Were there
or house, we would have been sorted their magic.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
My uncle was in the navy and when the meat
turned green, they'd white with vinegar, and he said it
was the most tender and delicious meat your liver eat
you wait for it to go green.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Then yeah, good guys, rulers don't see anything over a weekend.
Was it frozen or just chilled?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Yeah, lynd So and holy cow, butchery's defense and not.
The Great New Zealander is doing an absolutely fantastic job
down there in Cambridge. But they sent it in a
one day curR correer. It said, urgent one day courier
absolutely has to be in one day. But then the
courier didn't make good on that one day delivery, let

(01:36:58):
the team down. It just sort of happened to I
got it on Monday. But I'm gonna eat it. I'm
gonna eat it. I'm gonna put a cabbage leaf, i'n
rub it in vinegar. I'm not gonna let those animals
and the hard work of the farmers and the butchers
and everyone in the system and nature go to waste,
even if it gives me a bit of a tummy ache.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Good on you, Good on you. Right, coming up very shortly,
we're going to have a chat to Gareth Abden or
you know him well. He's our employment law expert and
he will be taking all your questions and queries and
concerns about anything going on in your workplace. He's brilliant.
He's the man to chat to. But nine two ninety
two is the text number, and if you want to
chat to them direct, the number is Ozer eight hundred

(01:37:36):
and eighty ten eighty. It is bang on up past three.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
You talks the headlines.

Speaker 16 (01:37:44):
With blue bubble taxes, it's no trouble with a blue bubble.
The IMF is again urging New Zealand to have a
capital gains tax to incentivize other economic growth, and also
suggesting lowering corporate tax. The government is tweaking the Foreign
Investment Fund, hoping to attract more talent to New Zealand

(01:38:05):
by changing rules on taxing migrants. The Independent Police Conduct
Authority is investigating a man's death at allday Point during
his arrest after a pursuit which included a taser, pepper
spray and manual restraint. Auckland Police have identified a man
accused of inappropriately touching a high schooler on a bus

(01:38:27):
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Minister Ericus Stanford has finally sat down with Associate David
Seymour to discuss the Billie at School lunch program, offering
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matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. While Gareth Abdenaor is an
employment workplace in information expert and director of Abdenor Employment Law,
he joins us once month on our asked the Experts
series to answer listeners questions, and he's back with us
this afternoon. Gareth, Hello, hey guys, how you doing very good?
How was christ you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
Yes, it's a bit windy and rainy, so it's a
good inside day.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Yeah, not very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
It is absolutely beautiful here, blue skies and an absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Amazing anytime you want a holiday up here, Garret, you
just give us a bus.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
It's actually I don't believe it for it's actually.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Raining up here.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
And I've got my nephew visiting from from Dunedin, and
whenever one of my family members visit from Dunedin it's
always bad weather. My dad will come for the only
frost of the year, and he got it's not so
great up here?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Is it Murphy's law?

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Then Felix is going to go back saying it rains
here every day.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
That's what happens when you leave the mainland.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Yeah, exactly. Now, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you want to have
a chat to Gareth. He's brilliant and it pays to
get it in early because it's always a popular segment.
If you prefer to text more than welcome to nine two.
Nine two is the text number. And we've got plenty
of great questions coming through Gareth, but we'll just go
straight to the phones because Steven's on stand by Gidda.

Speaker 8 (01:40:15):
Stephen, Well, Hi, I tell you I just got a
question about the public holidays. You know. My understanding is
that if you're required to work on your normal roster day,
if it falls out of the holiday, you're entitled to
a time and a half pay and also an alternative
day off in compensation. But my question is the definition

(01:40:38):
of a normal roster to day because currently I work
in a cafe and i'll roster changes on a weekly basis,
and then I think I just since because it has
happened the two or three times already this year. My
sense is that's where the boss is going, and they're
trying to purposely ross you off on a public holiday.
And then because the bosses understand is that unless you

(01:41:01):
are roster to work on a particular day, let's say Monday,
for three weeks consecutively, otherwise it doesn't classify as a
normal roster's day. Is that correct?

Speaker 13 (01:41:10):
Or why are they able to do that?

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
Yeah, that's a great question, Stephen. And this is one
of those strange provisions in the Holidays Act that keeps
people calling. It's not a straightforward question. If you have
varied days of work, like you work on a roster,

(01:41:36):
if there is an argument over whether it's a normal
day or not. I have seen cases where people have
looked at the previous six months of work and seeing
if that is regularly a day that you work. I'm
not sure if looking at the past three weeks is
going to be enough. It's certainly an argument, but this

(01:41:59):
is not a straightforward yes or no question, unfortunately, and
that's the draw of the Holidays Act.

Speaker 8 (01:42:06):
Okay, so they can actually prevousely off and then the
next week, like you worked the five weeks in between
the two public holidays and he happened to be off
for those holidays.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
Yeah, I definitely think that's worth an argument.

Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
Yeah, okay, all right, okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
All the best, Stephen, thank you very much. Just on
the Holidays Act at South Garethon. I know that's the
bane of your life. But is there some movement? There
was some talk earlier on from from the Coalition government
that they were looking to change some of that legislation.
Is that still the case.

Speaker 6 (01:42:42):
Yeah, there have been several attempts at it already, where
various working groups have been put together to try and
simplify it. It's incredibly incredibly difficult to do though, and
my duck feeling is that it would be much better
just to completely rewrite it from scratch. Of course, that's
a that's a huge piece of work, and it keeps

(01:43:05):
falling down the list of priorities.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Yeah. Absolutely, some great teachs coming through on nine to
two nine two after that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
This is an interesting one actually, and kind of complicated,
I imagine after the whole Andrew Bailey thing. I don't
know how to behave at work? Can I hug people.
I used to hug everyone in the morning. Is it
only touching an anger that's the problem. What about friendly touching?
I can see a official kure. I don't think they
mean it to sound exactly like that. Yeah, but you
get what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
I thought you were asking.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
He's not allowed to touch anyone there.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
Well, I'm happy to give you a hug.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Well, it's an interesting the word friendly touching. I think
I know what they mean. Yeah, you know, like, is
it like jovial rather than mean yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:50):
In this day and age, my legal advice would be
best not to touch anyone you work with, no matter
what you intend by it. Of course, in reality, some
people are huggy people. Yeah, but if there's any doubt, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Yeah, it's a that's kind of a funny concept than
it because you they're coming Because I'm not really a
huggy person, but I'm not going to deny a hug
from someone. So if someone's coming in for the sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
A sting, and I'm sure Gareth, you know, if someone
wanted to take it further, was a handshake, for example,
that would be easier to argue rather than than a hug.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Yeah, surely we're not in the world where you can't
have a handshake.

Speaker 6 (01:44:35):
I hope not.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Cindy, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 25 (01:44:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
Good things.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Gareth is standing by.

Speaker 20 (01:44:43):
Hi, Gareth, thanks for taking my call. I'm just wanting
can you please explain the ten days sick leave and
carrying over to the next year to make twenty. How
does it work?

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
Yeah, So, basically, there's a cap that you can't have
more than twenty days, and because you get ten new
ones each year, if you if you haven't used any
of them and you've got twenty and you get another ten,
you don't end up with thirty. The ten oldest ones

(01:45:15):
fall away and you've still got twenty. Of course, these
days it seems pretty rare that people don't use their
sick leaves, so it's unusual for someone to have their
maximum and then get another ten.

Speaker 20 (01:45:29):
Okay, yeah, no, I'm just speaking as from the point
of an employer with someone who hasn't taken this sick leave.
We've only taken a couple of days and they now
on leave due to an injury, and I've given them
ten days sickly, but they've still got some lift goes
from the previous years, So do I carry that over?

Speaker 8 (01:45:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:45:52):
I mean, now we're starting to get into quite a
technical thing which I can't give you a view worth
having all of the facts. But there's a maximum of
twenty and my understanding from the logistics is that you
would be using the oldest ones first, So if they're

(01:46:12):
ones that haven't been used, then they will carry over
to the next year, as long as it doesn't go
with that maximum. Okay, of course, just to complicate things further,
some organizations have additional benefits over and above the statutory minimums,

(01:46:32):
and for some of those organizations, well, employees can have
an awful lot of sickly built up. But it doesn't
sound like that's the case for you.

Speaker 20 (01:46:44):
No, okay, all.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Right, all the best, thanks, yeah, good luck. If you've
got a question for Gareth, now is your opportunity, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call,
and we've got some great teachs coming through on nine
to two ninety two. I've just got a question.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Do sick days sit as a liability on a company
like Untaken Holidays do?

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
Yeah, that's a that's a good Christian. I'm not sure
that's that's more of an accounting question than a employment
more question. But I imagine it would sit there because
they can use it. Of course, it doesn't get paid
out if the employee leaves, yeah, unlike annual leave.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Yeah, which makes sense to them. Alright, all right, okay,
we're going to take a quick break, but when we
come back, plenty more questions for Gareth. If you want
to get in, you're more than welcome. Oh one hundred
eighty ten eighty full lines at the moment, but keep trying.
It is eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC
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Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
They'd be good afternoon, And we have on the line
Gareth Abdenor from abdenaor Employment Law. He's an employment law
expert and he's here to answer your questions on our
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and if you want to
check out his business abdenal Law dot Nz. But Gareth,
we've got plenty of callers on the line, so let's

(01:48:15):
go to Jenny.

Speaker 7 (01:48:16):
How are you good afternoon?

Speaker 29 (01:48:18):
Fine?

Speaker 10 (01:48:18):
Thank you?

Speaker 29 (01:48:20):
I just wanted to make an inquiry about retirement. I've
got long service leaves which is due, and I've got
annually which will be paid out. But my employee is
saying that they won't pay out long service leaves at retirement,
that it has to be used up prior to that.
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Or might have just Oh, sorry, yep you go, Gareth.

Speaker 6 (01:48:44):
Am I back on?

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
Yep, you're back on.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
Now, I'm back on, all right, great question, Jenny. Long
service leave is something that is negotiated between the parties
and should be recorded in a policy or in your
employment agreement. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the
conditions is that you need to take the leave and
it's not paid out to you. It would be unusual

(01:49:10):
for an employer to agree to pay that out to
you when you leave.

Speaker 29 (01:49:15):
Right, Okay, I'll go back to the contract.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Thank you for that, Thank thank you very much. Jinny.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
This is an interesting one. On nine two nine two.
I'm working for a company as an in house painter.
Want to start my own company? Can I use pictures
of my work on a website? If it's not obvious
it's from the current employer. Crop pictures and such.

Speaker 6 (01:49:35):
I see a lot of red flags andus it's obviously
this person has some doubts about whether this would be appropriate. Yeah,
and I would agree with that, you know what I say,
if if in doubt, don't. I think this is one
of those cases because if your employer finds out, it's
likely to be a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Yeah, very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Which it's clear that they know it's wrong because they're
cropping them. So really you're asking, can I get away
with this thing that I know I'm not allowed to do?

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:50:04):
If my friend wants to post these pictures?

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Yeah, yeah, spot on. This is good takes as well,
Gareth High. Should staff be advised that a security camera
in our lunch room records video and audio during work hours?
Is that an invasion of privacy? Can I do anything
about that?

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
Oh? This is fantastic. It really depends on why the
camera has been installed. If it's to if there've been
a number of thefts and they are trying to catch
the thief, then it would really defeat the purpose to
tell everybody that they've installed a camera. Of course, if
it's just a general health and safety camera, then there

(01:50:45):
should be notices and the staff should be told about it.
It's also pretty unusual for a camera in those circumstances
to record audio, and that's something that Yeah, I think
this person could definitely raise with the employer because that
is getting to the point where arguably it is a
breach of privacy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Yeah, audio scenes too much, right, because that seems like
you're trying to listen to what people are saying.

Speaker 6 (01:51:13):
Yeah, why are you recording that?

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Why do you need to Yeah, just super quick, Gareth,
are you allowed to see that video? If you know
it's been recorded and you say, hey, I just want
to see some of that footage? Have you got a
right to do that?

Speaker 6 (01:51:24):
And it depends if the footage is just of you,
I think you've got a very good case to ask
for access to it. Of course, if if it's you
and a bunch of other people, you know, you could
be breaching their privacy. I guess it depends. If it's
in a lunch room, is there an expectation of privacy?

(01:51:46):
Most probably not. If it's a changing room, very different story.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Yeah, very good. I'll tell it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Where I work, These cameras and mix just right in
my face.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
It's blazing.

Speaker 6 (01:51:54):
That's outroageous.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Dave, how are.

Speaker 21 (01:51:58):
You yeah, good things tell you boys, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Very good. We've got Gareth standing by ready for your question.

Speaker 13 (01:52:05):
Okay, I'm a contractor, been for for four years at
one place.

Speaker 6 (01:52:12):
The top of you right there, Dave. You can't be
a contractor and be employed. You're either a contractor and
you are contracted, or you're an employee and you're employed.

Speaker 13 (01:52:23):
Okay, I'm a contractor and I'm contracted to the same
place for four years.

Speaker 6 (01:52:28):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:52:28):
So is there a little bit.

Speaker 16 (01:52:32):
By law.

Speaker 13 (01:52:34):
That is that the maximum you can work at a
place before you get deemed as a permanent employee.

Speaker 6 (01:52:41):
No, no, there isn't. It really comes down to whether
you're actually a contractor or not, and that depends on
things different to how long you've been there. Of course,
if you've been there for four years, you may well
have been incorporated into the company, integrated into the business,

(01:53:02):
and that is one of the factors that may point
towards you being an employee. The courts look at it
and they say, are you truly in business on your
own account? And a lot of people who have a
contracting agreement rather than an employment agreement and get paid
like a contractor aren't actually running their own business.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Right, okay, all right, all the best. He thank you
very much. Right, we've got to play some messages, but
we'll come back with some more questions very shortly. It
is nine to four.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
So Gareth Ebnore is an employment, workplace and information expert
and director of abbot Nor Abbot Nor Employment Law. Sorry,
but we've had so many calls and so many texts
now full lines and we have be able to get
to all of them, so big apologies to everyone. Next
time we have you on, Gareth, we're gonna have to
have you on for an hour. All good if you've

(01:54:16):
got the time, because I feel bad how all these
people we haven't got to.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Yeah, so much feedback, but Gareth, thank you very much
as always, really appreciate it, and we'll catch you again
in a month.

Speaker 6 (01:54:25):
Sounds good, thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
That is Gareth Abdenall from Abdenall Employment Law. If you
want to check out his website. Abdenorlaw dot en zed
and I've got to do this part. The content of
the segment is general in nature and is not legal advice.
Any information discussed is not intended to be a substitute
for obtaining specific professional advice, and should not be relied
upon as such. And that is ask for today. What

(01:54:49):
a fantastic show.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Yeah, well until tomorrow. If it smells okay, eat it
and if it's slimy, wash it and then need it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Yeah, good advice. What are you going to start with?
Surely the lamb grenade? Yeah, definitely check it all on
the barbie at once. I read the tomahawk. Yeah yeah,
check it all on the barbie. No sniff test, get
into it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Roll the dice, Alie exactly exactly wors that could happen.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
And thank you very much for everybody who phoned and
called today and also all your text and as we mentioned,
we're sorry we couldn't get all of your questions to Gareth.
Hopefully we'll get him in for an hour next time
he is here, but plenty of questions that we'll put
on the bank for next time. So thank you very
much for today, and we will do it all again tomorrow.

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I can't really.

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